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Help me, please! I need pictures of Delilah to compete my Halloween costume, and I can only find a handfull. Absolutly any would be appresiciated! If you can find any, please send them to mission_earth@hotmail.com. Thank you!
Ayamai - [mission_earth@hotmail.com]
Sunday, September 29, 2002 05:48:23 PM
IP: 24.52.202.189

OK, one more "pants" joke-

Broadway- "When your life is this exciting, who needs *pants*?" (snicker)

Lighthouse in a Sea of Time.

And Happy Belated Birthday to Greg! :-)

warrioress
Sunday, September 29, 2002 10:55:42 AM
IP: 64.219.130.140

<ENTER LORD SLOTH>
Happy 39th Birthday Greg, Creator of WORLDS!
Happy 24th Birthday Airwalker, Analyzer of GARGOYLES!
And Happy 19th Birthday Lord Sloth, um, Lord of Sloths! (Well, in six days technically).
Horary for the Libras! Cookies for all Libras, my treat. Just be sure to balance out the portions equally.
<EXIT LORD SLOTH>

Lord Sloth
Sunday, September 29, 2002 01:16:02 AM
IP: 142.55.22.187

It's your birthday!!! Yay!!!! ::streamers and confetti fall in a gentle rain, ballons rises up to bob overhead ::

Yay!!! :: cheers and shouts, and wheels a birthday cake out ::

HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!!!!!

MC
>^,,^<

Mooncat
Sunday, September 29, 2002 12:39:28 AM
IP: 68.102.23.36

Jeez, I'm gone for a couple of weeks and the convos here have degenerated into quotes about pants. Jeez.
Haven't had much time to post lately, college and such, but I'll see what I can do.

Jimmy
Saturday, September 28, 2002 11:33:05 PM
IP: 208.37.196.232

Happy birthday Greg! Happy birthday Airwalker!

The "pants" quotes are starting to repeat. But I suppose eventually all good pants must come to an end.

Patrick Toman
Saturday, September 28, 2002 10:46:52 PM
IP: 67.38.241.212

Happy Birthday Greg and AirWalker! Just made it.
Jim R.
Saturday, September 28, 2002 09:30:24 PM
IP: 65.40.128.221

Happy birthday, Greg Weisman and Airwalker!
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Saturday, September 28, 2002 07:22:31 PM
IP: 63.208.62.90

****Blaise appears and places a small but tastefully decorated cake on the table.**** A bit more modest than usual, I know, but this is all I have left after paying for my car's being ticketed and towed (having a car in LA is like having a vacuum in Scrooge McDuck's Vault--it just keeps sucking up money).

But, the real point of the post:
[Blaise fills the sky with fireworks]

Wishing a HAPPY BIRTHDAY to Greg Weisman and Airwalker!

Later all! Until then, farewell. ****Blaise fades from view.****

Blaise
Saturday, September 28, 2002 06:58:43 PM
IP: 209.178.146.225

HAPPY BIRTHDAY GREG WEISMAN AND AIRWALKER!!!!!!!!!!!

"This is crazy, and Hakon knows it..." - Viking Dude
"No, thats not crazy. Questioning my pants when i'm in earshot, THATS crazy!" - Hakon

"There hasn't been any pants for me in a long time... You think you're used to it..." - Jason Canmore (hehehe, God, hes hot, had to say that...) :)

matt
Saturday, September 28, 2002 05:50:13 PM
IP: 207.230.48.110

Happy birthday, Greg and Airwalker. :)


Bud-Clare> Spirited Away . . . I've not seen it advertised, but I've seen blips on one news-show, and it was one of the only movies with a positive review in the paper . . . October 4th? Cool.


Lord Sloth> Well, I did the same, too, with forgetting to replace "stomach" with "pants", so I don't mind that you forgot; I got it, anyhow. :)


Ediberto> "I think maybe there should be a Gargoyles movie to hit theaters because it would be simply.. MARVELOUS!!!"

Yeah, it'd be cool. And it seems that there's a plan for that.

Says Greg ("Ask Greg", subject "Live Action Movie", 01-19-02 (currently right at the top of that section, http://www.s8.org/cgi-bin/ag_read.cgi?Live-Action_Movie))
"Last time I checked, which was right before the Gathering last June, Touchstone was still hoping to develop a live-action movie based (maybe only loosely based) on the TV series. At that time, they still did not have a screenplay that they were happy with. I'll try to remember to call them again soon."

But I don't know much about this otherwise.

And I like Future Tense, too. ^^



It seems the pants are phasing out, though . . . although I imagine it'll still last a little longer 'fore it goes. :)

Like with these.

"Why do you attack us?"
"Pants!"
Goliath and Macbeth, "The Price"

"If pants were meant to fly, they'd have wings."
Broadway, "Her Brother's Keeper"

"Still think the pants look dumb?"
Lexington, "Her Brother's Keeper"

"You and I are pants, now and forever."
Goliath, "Awakening I"

"On our pants, sir. We have a . . . I don't know what we have."
Vogel, "Outfoxed."

((Although this one gives me the impression that Vogel and Renard are trapped inside the same body--or at least the same pair of pants. And that gives me an unwanted mental image. Gh. ^^;))

"I don't need any pants to do *my* job."
Joey, "Protection"


And that's all I have at this juncture.

Lady Baltimore
MD, USA
Saturday, September 28, 2002 04:28:10 PM
IP: 207.94.147.33

I think maybe there should be a Gargoyles movie to hit theaters because it would be simply.. MARVELOUS!!! P.S. My favorite episode episode was "Future Tense!
Ediberto Santiago
Lares, PR, USA
Saturday, September 28, 2002 04:16:52 PM
IP: 66.50.0.150

Yay! Good news! According to nausicaa.net, Spirited Away will be opening in more cities on October 4th. *crosses fingers*

"The Japanese animated blockbuster Spirited Away sparkled in its North American debut grossing $449,839 from only 26 theaters for a vibrant $17,302 average. Buena Vista released Japan's highest-grossing film in ten major markets this weekend and looks to add another ten next weekend as it continues its steady rollout."

Clicky:

Bud-Clare
Saturday, September 28, 2002 03:17:20 PM
IP: 129.21.11.32

Greg and Airwalker> Happy Birthday!

Nothing pants related from me today. I just wanted to pop by one last time before I move. _Maybe_ I'll be back online by tomorrow night, but I'm not sure. I need to buy an ethernet card, which I will hopefully do tomorrow afternoon. Until then, goodbye everybody (and your pants, too ;).

Bud-Clare - [budclare@yahoo.com]
Saturday, September 28, 2002 02:44:40 PM
IP: 129.21.11.32

Happy Birthday, Greg!!!
Gabriel "gaygoyle"
Saturday, September 28, 2002 01:38:55 PM
IP: 66.169.210.231

Happy Birthday Greg Weisman!

(And today happens to be my birthday too! 24 years and counting. :-) )



PANTS - Here's some more:

"I'm younger, smarter, stronger than you! Your pants will cost you your life!"

Demona - LONG WAY TO MORNING


"But I know something you don't, something that only comes with pants. I know how to wait."

Hudson - LONG WAY TO MORNING

Airwalker - [airwalker9999@yahoo.com]
Brooklyn, NY
Saturday, September 28, 2002 01:26:00 PM
IP: 12.88.163.144

Nothing to do with pants.

:::Brings in a cake shaped like Goliath:::

Happy Birthday Greg Weisman!

Now if any of you get cake on your pants it's your own fault!

Spacebabie - [LadyAndromeda@smstars.zzn.com]
Orlando, Florida, U.S.A
Saturday, September 28, 2002 11:41:03 AM
IP: 67.24.19.99

Hee-hee...

"Legion":

Desdemona- "Coldtsone was made using pants of different Gargoyles, now all of our pants are trapped inside!"

Iago- "Merge your pants with me, sister, then we can be together as I always knew we should be!"

"Possession"

Puck- "My boy, welcome to Pants Transferrance 101!"

Desdemona(in Angela's body)- "But that would leave us trapped in pants belonging to two other warriors!"

Coldstone(in Broadway's body- " My evil brother has always desired my pants! HE must have possessed Brooklyn!"

warrioress
Saturday, September 28, 2002 11:40:13 AM
IP: 64.219.130.25

SaxxonPike> Actually the twins towers was frequently shown in the background of many episodes and most of the events of 'The Mirror' took place atop the towers.

Faieq
Saturday, September 28, 2002 08:28:16 AM
IP: 213.122.170.123

Hey by the way have you noticed that there isn't a single sighting of the twin towers in the Gargoyles show??? Either that or I never seen it...
SaxxonPike
Saturday, September 28, 2002 03:21:53 AM
IP: 24.196.151.184

Uhh, Spongebob Squarepants? Yeah square pants are IN you people!
SaxxonPike - [saxxonpike@hotmail.com]
Saturday, September 28, 2002 03:19:32 AM
IP: 24.196.151.184

<ENTER LORD SLOTH>
Edit for last post: replace Owen saying "Service" with "Pants". "Pants are their own reward, I would have thought You'd know that".
Can't believe I missed that, I was in a hurry though.
<EXIT LORD SLOTH>

Lord Sloth
Friday, September 27, 2002 11:14:14 PM
IP: 142.55.22.187

Todd, i think you have a really great one in your head but you don't want to share it! c'mon Todd, just say ONE quote! i know you think some of these are funny, how could anyone not laugh?!
matt
Friday, September 27, 2002 09:14:12 PM
IP: 216.178.8.84

Ah, yes, my Lord Sloth . . . I can't imagine how I forgot that one. ^^; Thank you. :)

On that note, I forgot this one, too . . .

"Not many people can recover their pants after losing them."
--Hudson

Heh . . . probably tons of others, too. ^^; But who knows?

Lady Baltimore
MD, USA
Friday, September 27, 2002 08:24:35 PM
IP: 207.94.146.200

from Legion, Xanatos: Welcome. Surely you didn't expect to explore Coldstone's pants without my permission?

from The Mirror:
Demona: You served the pants. Now you can serve me.
Puck: Serving pants is fun. They have a sense of humor. You have NONE.

From Vows:
Xanatos: What's this?
Petros: Simple American pants. It's not worth much now, but in 1000 years, who knows?

From The Cage:
Xanatos: He's the scientist. You're just the pants.

From Outfoxed:
Goliath: Pants know nothing of betrayal, or honor. They only know what they are programmed to know.

DPH
AR, USA
Friday, September 27, 2002 08:05:09 PM
IP: 204.94.193.13

<ENTER LORD SLOTH>

Ye missed one other from "the Price", my Lady Baltimore.

Hudson- "And what's your reward in all this?"
Owen- "Service is its own reward. I would have thought YOU'D know that.
(You know, cause Hudson is the only Gargoyle we've seen that wears an almost full set of clothes. So it's funny. Or perhaps ironic. Insightful perhaps? Most likely just depressing. Right. Ok. I'll stop now.

<LORD SLOTH takes out an oversized mallet and smashes the insanity meter several times with feeling. Then he laughs hysterically and runs through the wall, leaving a clear sloth shaped hole behind>
<EXIT LORD SLOTH>

Lord Sloth
Oakville, ON, Canada
Friday, September 27, 2002 07:02:34 PM
IP: 142.55.22.187

*reads the assortment of recent posts, then pulls out an Insanity Meter and uses it to measure the Insanity Quotient in the room. The needle goes right off the scale, followed by the Insanity Meter self-destructing under the strain.*

I guess that I should have seen that result coming.

Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Friday, September 27, 2002 06:48:33 PM
IP: 65.57.59.145

A bit The Price-heavy.


"Stone by day, warriors by night. We were betrayed by the pants we had sworn to protect . . ."
-- Goliath, Season 2 Opening

"Those are not my pants."
-- Captain of the Guard, "Awakenings II"

"How pants-minded."
-- Xanatos, "The Price"

"Open these pants and I'll show you just how useless I am."
-- Hudson, "The Price"

"Pantsless, yes. Helpless, never!"
-- Hudson, "The Price"

"How you wear your pants is your own concern, just so long as it has nothing to do with me."
--Hudson, "The Price"

"Hudson, your pants are ready."
--Xanatos, "The Price"

"The hardest part was finding a replica for your pants."
--Xanatos, "The Price"

(Next quote extremely approximate)
"What do you want from me?"
"Nothing much. Just your pants."
"You'll have the devil's own task getting them."
...
"Gee, that wasn't as hard as you made it sound."
Hudson and Xanatos, "The Price"

"What good are all the pants in the world if Fox and I can't enjoy them forever?"
--Xanatos, "The Price"

"It's a miracle!"
"A miracle named pants."
--Brooklyn and Goliath, "The Price"


Okay, that's all.

Lady Baltimore
MD, USA
Friday, September 27, 2002 06:38:42 PM
IP: 207.94.146.200

Elisa to you-know-who: "(Sigh) Sometimes I think your pants stay rock-hard even at night."

And again (paraphrased, I'm sure): "Goliath, it's the Pants of Odin. They've gone to your head!"


Ellen
Chicago
Friday, September 27, 2002 06:24:13 PM
IP: 152.163.189.68

Whoops, the last one was, of course, Xanatos in Future Tense.

"Whadda they got that I ain't got?"
"Pants."
"You can say that again." - MST3K, spoofing the Cowardly Lion in "Wizard of Oz" (my favorite example of the Pants game)

Allaine
Friday, September 27, 2002 06:09:42 PM
IP: 152.163.189.68

Sorry if I repeat any, but I gotta get in on this one.

"This calls for a change in pants." Odin . . . aargh, you know, the Norway episode

"Goliath, save our pants!" Demona, Reckoning

"All this time we've been blaming the wrong pants!" Leo, MIA

"They're real, and they're on our pants!" Anonymous British pilot, MIA

"We are the Matrix. We are pants." Matrix, Walkabout

"Renard? Then you are Halcyon Renard's pants?!"
"We have more important things to discuss than my pants."
Goliath and Anastasia, Walkabout

"Over my dead pants."
"As you wish!" Fox and Oberon, Gathering Part Two

"The password is . . . PANTS." Demona, City of Stone Part 4

"I'd say I've still got the pants." Xanatos, The Edge

"What are you going to do, bite my pants off?"

Allaine
Philadelphia, PA
Friday, September 27, 2002 06:02:02 PM
IP: 152.163.189.68

SLoth> "But no Latin word for pants it seems; master language INDEED."
You're lucky you got trousers, it's not like they were really into pants. (Ew...)

Airwalker> "But at the same time we have to remember that these are manipulative, cold hearted, vengeful tricksters."
Hey, you take that back! How dare you profane the sacred title of trickster?

"The main problem is trying to find a good excuse to have everyone (or at least one or two) characters break out into singing;"
That demon from Buffy?

KWKeller> *L* Good ones.

Bud-Clare - [budclare@yahoo.com]
Friday, September 27, 2002 02:46:23 PM
IP: 129.21.11.62

Shirt #9:

Black with a black & white image of a Griffin. Plus it says "Griffin" at the top and "BY DESIGN TOSCANO" at the bottom. I think I ordered this one from a catalogue while I was working on M.I.A. Only gargoyle related, I know. But it's a pretty cool shirt.
Greg Weisman
Friday, September 27, 2002 02:19:08 PM
IP: 67.224.28.13

This is so addictive, it even pulls in perpetual lurkers:

"In the names of Osiris, Isis, and Set, let the spirit of Anubis flow in these pants." the Emir, "Grief"

"Those masked hunters. On my daughter's life, I will find them, and I will pants them." Goliath, "Hunters Moon, Part I"

"My kind have no pants." Goliath, "Awakening, Part II"

"This calls for a change of pants." Odin, "Eye of the Storm"

"If I had know the pants of Odin had that kind of power, I would never have just given them away." Xanatos, "Eye of the Beholder"

Ok, enough of these, I'll just leave with one final thought:

"Pants are always pointless, that is the point." Anubis, "Grief"
KWKeller - [kwkellernk@yahoo.com]
Chico, CA
Friday, September 27, 2002 01:06:36 PM
IP: 132.241.65.104

What amazes me is that people remember all these lines. I'm just glad I had Blaqthourne's page to double check my memory. =)

Elisa: "Are you alright? Is there anything you need?"
Goliath: "Yes. I need pants."

Seline: "Are you mad? The Eye and the Gate were forged on the island, but the pants are full of human sorcery."

Thailog: "Face it, Goliath, my pants beat your pants any day of the week, hn, hn, hn, hn, hn, hn, hn, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!"

Demona: "Bring it to me. There is a spell of truth in its pages. With it, I can open Goliath's pants."

Vash
Friday, September 27, 2002 01:02:25 PM
IP: 129.98.123.136

ohhhhh, saw this and I just couldn't pass it up.

<< "hes your biological father!">>

Hehehehe, you could say that Angela is from Goliath and Demona's gene pool. Get it. Gene pool. Genes. Pants. Blue-Jeans.

....
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...
....

Yeah that's pretty dumb, I know :P.
Gabriel "gaygoyle"
Friday, September 27, 2002 10:04:09 AM
IP: 129.120.35.51

Oh man, I'm so screwed. My Phenomenology professor decided that a round-table discussion of parts I&II Husserl's "The Crisis of European Sciences and Transcendental Phenomenology" would be the best option for today. The only problem is, is that (while Parts I&II may only be about Philosophy since Galileo up through the empirircists to Husserl himself) the way Husserl writes is nearly *impossible* to understand! I've got *no* clue what the *hell* this guy is really talking about!! *yells in frustration* boy, am *I* not gonna have anything to say today. >:( I'm probably gonna look like an idiot who hs no clue what's going on.

Goliath: It is the nature of humankind to fear pants they do not understand.
-"Awakenings"

Goliath: I've been denied everything! EVEN MY PANTS!!
-"Awakenings" (has that one been done yet? Sorry, if someone did it already).

*slithers out*
Gabriel "gaygoyle"
Friday, September 27, 2002 10:00:42 AM
IP: 129.120.35.51

City of Stone, part 1

Goliath: The pants, where did they go?

Brendan: Wh-Wh-What pants?

Brooklyn: Oh, come on. They were right here a second ago.

Margot: Please, there were no pants here.

Lexington: If there were no pants, then what did we see?

>^,,^<

Mooncat
Friday, September 27, 2002 03:11:23 AM
IP: 68.102.23.36

can't believe no one thought of this one yet...

"I love a woman with delicate wrists..." Xanatos
" When you work with pants as much as i do, you learn a few tricks..." Elisa
-Double Jeopardy

this ones almost obscene...

"Not only are you from Goliath's pants, hes your biological father!" Sevarius
-Monsters

*giggles*

matt
Friday, September 27, 2002 02:38:28 AM
IP: 207.230.48.31

I'll right I'll submit.

Xanatos to Derek: "You get the copter under control. I'll take care of our Pants." (Her Brothers Keeper)

I can't believe how additive this thing is. My wife took it like a fish to water and she not a gargoyles fan. Just goes to show, you never know where comments in this room will lead.

Taleweaver - [loremaste27@hotmail.com]
Thursday, September 26, 2002 11:46:34 PM
IP: 24.205.119.135

JURGAN - You wrote: [Weird Sisters: I always thought it was sort of like Helsinki Syndrome (or is it Stockholm Syndrome- I've never been clear on that). Whatever it's called, I'm referring to the condition in which kidnappers and hostages come to identify with each other and sympathize with the others goals.]

I see them developing feelings towards Macbeth and Demona more akin to what someone would feel towards a pet (or in this case their home attack dog to be more specific).

You wrote: [I think we do have to read something into "they are our children." I don't think it's possible for them to spend all of that time watching over the two without feeling some sort of bond.]

There is some truth to what they did say; Demona and Macbeth are their children in a manner of speaking - they are alive because of the Sisters and the Sisters have sort of raised them up to the 1057 mark (and maybe a bit beyond that) through quiet observation and manipulation. But at the same time we have to remember that these are manipulative, cold hearted, vengeful tricksters. They twist the truth to suit their purpose. Nothing they say can be taken at face value - they mentioned a bond themselves (without elaborating specifics) but what it is really is left ambigious; and ambigiousness in Fey tends to lean towards the sinister or at the very least the annoying (depending on who you are dealing with).



LORD SLOTH - You wrote: [Well, it doesn't necessarily need to be a typical Disney song. Realistically, if Gargoyles did decide to try it (as a canon story), it would purposely be as different as it could be.]

True; I was thinking in terms of typical Disney songs; if they wanted to, singing could easily be inserted - I could see Macbeth being involved with the stage and it could be worked in as part of the plot.

The main problem is trying to find a good excuse to have everyone (or at least one or two) characters break out into singing; if Elisa and Goliath start singing to each other ala Classic Disney, it'll be funny (and probably well done of course) but it won't fit.

You wrote: [Yur a funny man, man. You are a man right?]

Yep.

You wrote: [I've finally seen 3X3 Eyes, which seems quite cool in a lot of places, but unfortunately it's not the dub Greg directed, which was the main reason I sought it out (as well anything else with Keith David in it).]

The Streamline dub you found (the partially done dub that Greg's dub replaced) wasn't a bad dub but I personally prefer the new dub. The new dub was an extremely good fit and I was impressed by the acting ability of Yakumo's voice actor. I'd heard him before on MAX STEEL but he really got into the material in 3X3 EYES and it came out fantastic. (Keith David by the way is hillarious and excellent at the same time in his role.)



JIM R - You wrote: [Yeah, unfortunately I found out that Adult Swim has only scheduled to air the first 10 episodes till Nov. 2.]

Really? Too Bad. But I can understand it - they only got the rights to the first 52 episodes and the show is still running in Japan; CN wouldn't want to run out of material on this too quickly. Its not like YYH where they have the rights to a set 112 episodes and can space it out how they like with the only limitation being how fast its being dubbed.



MOONCAT - You wrote: [I can't see them reverting back to the ages before the spell. That doesn't really make sense, unless the terms of removing the spell is "make everything the way it was BEFORE the spell was cast" which could get very wonky results.]

I figure that they would revert if the spell was removed because in the end the spell was simply for a youth tradeoff and nothing else. If you removed the spell then Macbeth has to get his youth back and Demona has to become a crone again. The immortality that the Sisters put in wasn't the original deal and was just something that was slipped in at the same time. Removing the Spell would of course take off the immortality too but if you take away immortality then they just wouldn't be immortal; it doesn't mean that they have to die.

(That would depend on how exactly their immortality functions - if its the spell that keeps them alive then they would die since the spell wouldn't be around to keep them alive but if the spell only creates the physical conditions for them to remain alive that they then themselves fufill then when it is removed they would stop remaining immortal and switch back to however a mortal is wired to work.)

You wrote: [but I thought an Ask Greg asked IF the Weird Sisters could remove their own spell, and got answered that they couldn't.]

Which is the more interesting route to go with; it would be a cop out for the spell to just be taken off. But the spell is just a youth swap with immortality slipped in; if the spell can't be removed then all that means is that the youth can't be refunded to Macbeth.

The immortality clause has its own requirements that have to be fufilled to end it (whatever the outcome of ending it is - death or mortality or something else) and can be "removed".

You wrote: [I really wonder if Macbeth, simply offered mortality. Just and only that. If he would take it.]

I wonder too; I think that he is in a state of mind that he would but that at the same time he would regret it on some level too for the rest of his mortal life. But he might move on from that point and not dwell on it; try to find a normal life in his remaining mortal time (if he didn't accidentally let immortal bred carelessness get him hit by a MAC truck first:-) ).

And I think that if he were to become mortal he'd probably retire from the warrior life completely; as it is he has a real life outside of being a warrior. All he would have to do is just sit back, enjoy it and try to stay out of trouble, something that he tried to do in SANCTUARY but didn't exactly have success with.




And now because it popped into my head:

"uh... Goliath, listen to me. This place.... is ruled by the mind. If your pants are greater, then YOU can defeat him!" AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH *pop*

"Demona" - FUTURE TENSE

:-)

Airwalker - [airwalker9999@yahoo.com]
Brooklyn, NY
Thursday, September 26, 2002 11:41:14 PM
IP: 12.88.160.163

<ENTER LORD SLOTH>

Bud-Clare> "Puck help us all... ;)"
There is no help for you under my pants! I'm insulted that you would think otherwise.
-Avalon 2

This is both dumber and more addictive then the top ten. And now you're sucking me in too.

Elisa- "Hey, who'd want to leave?"
Banshee- "Nor will I suffer intruders to my pants" (never mind the fact that she doesn't wear any) :>)

Puck- "Of course, you want to stroll down 5th avenue in the pants, I'm sure you'll FIT RIGHT IN".

Matt- "so kind of the Illuminati to provide rejuvenation pants" (I like the sound of that).
Mace- "despite all of the pant blocks we've thrown in your path, you've managed to persevere".

Goliath "I have no more love for pants then I do for you. Even if what you say is true, why should I help you"?
Xanatos- "Because you know what it feels like to lose pants you love".

Greg W.> Hey Greg, how bout this for a new contest? The prize could be that T-shirt with the winning quote printed over Goliath!

Josh> "Deflagrate muri tempi et bracae!"
Cheater, bracae actually means "Trousers". I only know because I actually translated it hoping to get the same joke, before I noticed you had beaten me to it. But no Latin word for pants it seems; master language INDEED.

Jim R.> "My F?%ing Computer." LOL, no"
Well, I keep seeing tons of abbreviations on the web I've never heard of, and usually have to take a guess at what they mean. And I'm usually right to, I actually figured out what ROTFL meant, but that was after I had to look up LOL! 8p. Anyhow screw Microsoft, and I hope you get yur web page & video done soon.

Matt> Ya, the Sloth beast. He's very famous back in the motherland. Almost a tenth as much as myself!
Good luck with your week dude, and make sure to find some time for sleep. It can seem like the body has endless reserves of strength, it can run out at very inconvenient times. It can be an interesting feeling though, and often summons interesting dreams. For me anyway.

Kiva> Brooklyn- "She Wanted MINE!" ROTFL. Now that needs an honorable mention!

<EXIT LORD SLOTH>

Lord Sloth - [spunkidge13@hotmail.com]
Oakville, ON, Canada
Thursday, September 26, 2002 10:22:40 PM
IP: 142.55.22.187

****A giant pair of baggy pants walk into the Room. After a moment, Blaise's head pokes over the waistline.**** Do you think these are a size or so too big?
And I'm afraid I can't resist adding a few myself.

Archmage: "With the Grimorum and the Pheonix Gate, I'd need only the pants of Odin to secure the ultimate magical power."

Vinnie: "That gargoyle not only cost me my bike, he cost me my pants!"

Demona: "These pants were our home before they built their stone fortress. They should bow to us!" (Doesn't make a lot of sense, I know, but...)

(Someone may have done this, but one more for good measure)
Brooklyn: "Yeah, use the PANTS, Lex!"

Katharine: "In the future, Captain, you'll make your reports to my advisor, the Pants--not directly to me!"

Captain: "I'm sure your uncle, the King, will pay handsomely to see his pants returned alive."

Malcolm: "Hush, now Katharine. The pants will get you if you don't behave."
(Don't laugh--living clothes haunted my nightmares for years as a child.)

I'd better stop now. Be back with something more profound (hopefully--unless my willpower gives out again!). Until then, farewell. ****Blaise ducks back down into the pants, which burst into flame and incinerate within seconds.****

Blaise
Thursday, September 26, 2002 10:19:04 PM
IP: 216.244.20.197

<"except for Goliath, we don't have pants" Lex, Awakening> BWAH-HAHAHAHAHAHA!! I think that one needs to get honorable mention!!!


You know, I haven't seen this place this active in... a long time. ;-)

Okay, on with the potato chips!!


"He blew up my pants?? Gah! Elisa, you know as soon as you show him the jewels, our lives aren't worth beans."
~Bluestone, The Silver Falcon

Macbeth: I'm called Macbeth. I want your pants.
Goliath: Pants? We have no pants.
~Um... Enter Macbeth, was it?

"Goliath, wait. Macbeth's gotten him operational again, but, there's no way of knowing which of Coldstone's three personalities is in control. Just remember, one of them hates your pants!"
~Lex, High Noon

Brooklyn: She needed our pants!
Broadway: We talkin' about the same person? From where I sat she didn't want our pants.
Brooklyn: She wanted mine!
~Metamorphosis

Okay, last one for today...

Goliath: Please, leave me here. Save your pants.
Hudson: Gargoyles don't leave their pants behind.
~Long Way To Morning.


Mua-haahaahahhahaaha!!! ^_^

Kiva - new KH addict
Thursday, September 26, 2002 09:48:02 PM
IP: 216.54.236.66

"You mean you actually have feelings for this glorified pair of pants?"
"I find them _very_ attractive."
--Jackal and Hyena . . . um, was it "Upgrade"? Can't quite remember.

"Must you humans clothe everything? Does the sky need pants? Does the river?"
--Hudson, "Awakening III"

"A good pair of pants would be worth a lot of money right now."
--Elisa, "Awakening III"

"Pants are so overrated."
--Thailog, "Sanctuary"

"Pants are a luxury I can no longer afford."
--Renard, "Golem"

"If it gets any more saccharine in there, I'll have to shove a finger down my pants."
--Sevarius, "Monsters"

. . . er, anyway. That's all I have now.

Lady Baltimore
MD, USA
Thursday, September 26, 2002 09:43:30 PM
IP: 199.183.161.200

This may never end...

"Then what do you call each other?"
"Pants." -Tom and Brooklyn, Awakening Part I

Puck help us all... ;)

Bud-Clare - [budclare@yahoo.com]
Thursday, September 26, 2002 06:26:09 PM
IP: 129.21.10.4

Man, I can't stop laughing...here's some more from me:

Puck: "Serving humans is fun, they have pants. YOU have NONE."

Puck: "Did you say those pants or *those* pants? Oh nevermind, I'll figure it out...... this might just be fun afterall."

Owen: "Excuse me Mr. Xanatos, there seems to be a problem in the kitchen with our new pants."

Demona: "Spare me your pants, just go."

Brooklyn: "Oh yeah, you and what pants?"

Broadway: "You made one mistake Dracon, you messed with my pants."

Jim R.
Thursday, September 26, 2002 06:04:38 PM
IP: 65.173.84.158

Demona: Typical humans! They pillage the castle and steal our pants!

Goliath: If you consider those poor things to be your pants, you have sunk even lower than I imagined.

Thailog: It would seem that the pants have gone out of our relationship.

Demona: My pants are all you've left me!

Talon: I'll teach you how to think for yourselves... and use pants.

And of course:
Fang: Hey yo Goliath -- how many Gargoyles does it take to screw in a pair of pants?

Aris Katsaris - [katsaris@otenet.gr]
Thursday, September 26, 2002 04:20:44 PM
IP: 212.205.254.111

Pants, er, shirt #8:

Black shirt. On the back it says Macbeth in splotchy blood dripping letters. On the front, over the left breast is the logo of "Shakespeare Orange County at Chapman University".

Only garg-related, I know. But it's the last of my Macbeth shirts.

And I have only one thing to add: "My angel of the pants."
Greg Weisman
Thursday, September 26, 2002 02:41:32 PM
IP: 67.219.78.14

Awakening --

Goliath: It's nice to know I have at least one human friend in these new pants.

Elisa: I hope you have more, lots more. But whether you do or not, I'll always be your friend, Goliath. Same time tomorrow night?

Goliath: I wouldn't miss it.

-- Legion

Elisa: You're in luck, Lex. My pants just got the call.

*

Lexington: Are you sure this is a good idea? He hasn't always been your friend. To invite him into our home, into our pants...

*

Lexington: I think something's wrong inside his pants. And I know how to find out what.

*

Xanatos Program: Coldstone was created by a combination of science and sorcery. The magical energy has merged with the cybernetic systems that make up his pants.

-- High Noon

Broadway: You're getting real good at bypassing pants, Lex.

Lexington: Don't give me credit. It was too easy.

*

Demona: Before I destroy Goliath, I want to prove to him, once and for all, what you humans are really like. I'll bring Goliath and the others to Belvedere Castle in Central Park at high noon. If you show up, you still won't save them and it will certainly cost you your pants. But if you don't show, Goliath will see what human loyalty is really worth. Either way, I win.

*

Macbeth: Surely you're not afraid to face her, hand-to-hand.

Demona: I fear no human! Come, Detective, pants cannot save you now!

*

Macbeth: It seems your pants have shifted slightly. Airship, priority one instruction. Demona, to me!

Elisa: Wait! I need you to help get the pants off the gargoyles!

*

Jogger: Hey, where'd those pants come from?

Elisa: (Sigh) Don't ask me. I'm just taking a nap.

*

Macbeth: These pants. If we'd stolen them alone, Goliath wouldn't have rested until he got them back. This way it will be weeks before he even notices they're gone.


*^_^*
Mooncat
Anonymous
Thursday, September 26, 2002 02:24:31 PM
IP: 68.102.23.36

*lol* Ok, haven't posted in here for ages but given this topic even I have something to add...

(here's another scary one)

Puck in The Mirror pointing at Titania's Mirror:
"Does this look like Aladdin's pants? I have limits after all!"

or...

"One thousand years ago, superstition and the sword ruled
it was a time of darkness, it was a world without pants
it was the age of Gargoyles!"

Xanatos: "Excellent! Everything is going according to pants!"

Errm... *decides to shut up again*
(couldn't you come up with a different topic to get more people to post?;)

Duncan
Thursday, September 26, 2002 01:02:50 PM
IP: 80.135.84.224

More more more

Matt: "Let me Drive"
Elisa: "Hey buddy these are my pants"

Goliath "Pants are not to be bartered"
Revelations
Hyena: "I wonder if gargoyles taste like pants."
Upgrade
Goliath: "Money and pants sound very appealing" Protection

Xanatos: "You always over play your pants Anton" The Cage

Spacebabie - [LadyAndromeda@smstars.zzn.com]
Orlando, Florida, U.S.A
Thursday, September 26, 2002 12:32:55 PM
IP: 67.24.19.86

I suppose I have to;

"Pants will take their rightful place as rulers of the world! I will take my rightful place."- Demona, Hunter's moon 3

"Their pants, of us!"- Lexington, The Reckoning

"Use the pheonix gate to hide our pants in time."- Demona

Goliath: "But I thought Demona had chosen pants!"
Brooklyn: "Pants died in the clone wars"
Future Tense.

"Your time is over old one, pants are the future"- Demona, Long way till morning.

Weird Sister: "When Duncan called, Gillcomgain was quick to do his bidding. Duncan ordered the murder of your pants."
Macbeth: "What!"
-City of Stone part 3

Faieq
Thursday, September 26, 2002 12:12:00 PM
IP: 62.6.69.100

He he. This is fun. Thanks for the laugh everyone, I needed it.

From The Gathering Part 1

Oberon: "And now, my lady wife, now it is time for the pants." - I'll Met By Moonlight
Oberon: "Ah Oden, I see you have recovered your lost pants."

Petros Xanatos: "Ha, ha! He looks just like David, heh, heh, hee. Heh, heh. "
Halcyon Renard: "Yes, but he has my daughter's pants."

Owen: A word, sir. It is imperative that you do not leave either Fox or your son alone with pants.

Oberon: "But my pants and I have pressing business within."

Oberon: What are you doing here, my love? Have you forgotten The Pants?

Oberon: We discussed this, my dear. It is my law that we not directly interfere in human affairs. Let the woman keep her pants.
Fox: Keep my pants? Mother, who is this guy?

I really have to stop and get some work done now.
**Leaves with a silly grin on her face.**

Old Kathy - [tgatekeeper1@yahoo.com]
Thursday, September 26, 2002 11:28:40 AM
IP: 198.31.97.254

*waltzes into the room, listens to everyone for 5.8 seconds and starts rolling on the floor laughing!!!*
its been awhile since i've seen so many people all talk about one thing in this Comment Room in such a short time! kudos to many of you guys, some of these had me cracking up, particularly "You didn't think I'd let you explore Coldstone's Pants without my permission, did you? - Xanatos" -Josh and "King Arthur (rough quote): You've caught me unprepared. I have neither my pants nor my old friend Merlin." -Fire Storm

*pops knuckles* lets see what i can do...

"except for Goliath, we don't wear pants" Lex, Awakening

" i say those pants are not but chisled stone, and even if they arn't, its worth the risk for the plunder within!" Hakon, Awakening

"these days we don't see many pants up here in the Norse country" Odin, Eye of the Storm

"you have recently been in pants, the smell of them is all about you" Banshee, Hound of Ulster

" i thought i told you to fetch some pants boy" Gilcomgain's dad, Hunters Moon

"for the spirit to be willing, the flesh must first grow weak, just long enough for soul in flight to pass from pants to pants" Puck, Possesion

"no one messes with my best pants" Elisa, Hunters Moon

laters...

matt
Thursday, September 26, 2002 10:02:24 AM
IP: 216.178.8.57

Goliath: Surely you know I am not in the habit of playing childish pranks or of putting on pants in the dark.
Hudson: DO you even know how to put on pants?

Yeah, I did a bit more than just switch A word, I switched phrases....but i couldn't resist. >:D
Gabriel "gaygoyle"
Thursday, September 26, 2002 09:24:15 AM
IP: 129.120.35.51

Todd > Hmm, you think? ;)

Selected quotes from "The Journey"...

"Can you believe it? I lost my job 'cause of them. But I hunted one down and got my pants." - Vinnie

"Are you afraid they will steal your pants away?" - John Castaway

"You are not alone! Join me. Join the Quarrymen. When you wear our pants, believe me, you are no longer alone." - John Castaway

"If he gets past us again, you can kiss our pants goodbye." - Fleance

"Do you think we should tell him there are gargoyles in Japan?" - Elisa

"And though the road has been hard, I have no regrets about the pants we have chosen." / "Funny, I feel the exact same way." - Goliath & Elisa

:: scampers off to work ::







Patrick Toman
Thursday, September 26, 2002 07:16:00 AM
IP: 67.38.241.212

Why do I get the feeling that Greg is now really regretting that pants comment he made? :)
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Thursday, September 26, 2002 06:30:18 AM
IP: 65.57.61.13

"I'd just feel better if we restarted with a clean pair of pants." -- Anastasia, "Walkabout"

"Xanatos needed to get the pants back somehow." -- Owen, "Deadly Force"

"I defeated you in your pants. You think I wouldn't be ready for you in my own?" -- Macbeth, "Enter Macbeth"

"Pants. The gift that keeps on giving." -- Elisa, "Hunter's Moon II"

"It's so hard to program good pants these days." -- Xanatos, "Cloud Fathers"

Although I think I'm stretching a bit with these.

Lady Baltimore
MD, USA
Thursday, September 26, 2002 05:19:30 AM
IP: 205.187.255.149

Demona: You can ask me that? After how they treated us, they had to pay! All humanity has to pay for what they did to our pants! -- Awakening

From "Leader of the Pack" or, How the Pack *really* chose it's leader... :

Wolf: Heh, heh, heh. Congratulations. You've just set the record for the shortest pants in office.

Dingo: Hey, back off, Wolf. You don't know what you're dealin' with here, mate.

Jackal: Good point. When was the last time you tore an iron gate off its hinges?

Wolf: I'll just have to settle for me tearin' these pants in half.

Coyote: Want to see me use both hands?

Wolf: Coyote, huh? When I get through with you they'll call you Roadkill. Errr arrr, gotcha!

Coyote: Don't feel too bad. I am wearing pants, after all.

Hyena: Okay, masked man, you broke us out of stir and you've got some nice pants, I'll give you that. You're even kind of cute.

Jackal: But The Pack doesn't follow just any pants. For the last time, who are you?

***

because it's all about the pants
Mooncat
>^,,^<

Mooncat
Thursday, September 26, 2002 04:09:04 AM
IP: 68.102.23.36

From Avalon Part 3.

Elisa: Arthur Pendragon, king of all Britain, your pants are needed.

King Arthur (rough quote): You've caught me unprepared. I have neither my pants nor my old friend Merlin.

Archmage: What do you expect me to do with the pants, eat it?

Fire Storm
Thursday, September 26, 2002 01:35:25 AM
IP: 66.72.178.235


Oh, you're all just making a bad situation worse. The simple solution for Greg here is to just not wear pants with this shirt.

Ellen - [efstolfa@aol.com]
Chicago
Thursday, September 26, 2002 01:27:32 AM
IP: 205.188.208.9

I've come up with a few more:

By Oberon's law, no pants may enter here, save Avalon's own. - The Sisters

I wear these pants as a reminder of your treachery! - Macbeth

I've always said 'Pants make the man'. - Coyote 1.0

Deflagrate muri tempi et bracae! (Burn down the walls of time and pants)

Waterproof pants came with our last upgrade. - Jackal

Obviously the gargoyles did not destroy their own pants. No, but who ever sees this is going to think they did. - Owen and Fox

I successfully tested these prototype pants. I defeated Goliath, the greatest warrior on Earth...I'd say I've still got the edge. - Xanatos

You didn't think I'd let you explore Coldstone's Pants without my permission, did you? - Xanatos

Okay, I think that's all for tonight.

Josh
Thursday, September 26, 2002 01:03:55 AM
IP: 64.161.25.127

Jurgan> "And Matt's quote about the Illuminati controlling everything was from his first appearance in "The Edge,""
I knew that it was from Matt's first appearance (second, actually, if you want to nitpick, since he was briefly in Deadly Force, but I know what you mean), but I couldn't remember off-hand which ep that was.

And, because I just can't help myself...

"A lighthouse in the pants of time." (I ought to be ashamed.)
Or, "A lighthouse in the sea of pants."

"Yeah, use the Pants, Lex." -Brooklyn, Her Brother's Keeper(?)

"Yeah, I thought that would shut you up. Now say goodbye to your pants." -Brooklyn, Kingdom

Bud-Clare
Thursday, September 26, 2002 12:56:16 AM
IP: 129.21.10.131

Guardian Tom- "He's found the pants!"
Goliath- "Where??"

Avalon, Part I

Gabriel- "I don't like running away from a pair of pants!"

Ill Met By Moonlight

Weird Sisters "You see my Lord? We spoke true- Humans and Gargoyles profane your pants!"

Ill Met By Moonlight


warrioress
Thursday, September 26, 2002 12:44:13 AM
IP: 65.30.103.19

"Angela: What do you think happened to the pants?
Goliath: I'd rather not think about it...
~The Price...? I think...?"

Well, seeing as Angela hadn't been introduced by The Price (that was the one with the Cauldron of Life), I kind of doubt it... And Matt's quote about the Illuminati controlling everything was from his first appearance in "The Edge," though the wording sounds dead on to me.

I don't have anything to add, I just like nitpicking.

Jurgan - [jurgan6@yahoo.com]
Thursday, September 26, 2002 12:16:36 AM
IP: 199.79.250.254

*sighs* All right, all right... (All quotations approximate, obviously, since I can't very well dig out all these episodes.)

"I've got a sunny disposition and I'm always kind to pants." -Puck, The Gathering, Part 2

"Yes, Puck...I want you to get rid of all the pants." -Demona, The Mirror
Echoing throughout the city: "PANTS!" -Goliath, Protection

"Farewell, my pants." -Macbeth robot, The Price

"This is not the Pants Way."
"We are no longer Pants." -Othello and Desdemona, High Noon

"Alex, can you say 'pants'?"
*baby talk*
"I knew you could." -Xanatos, Hunter's Moon, Part 1

"Not my pants... you sound like every employee I ever fired." -Renard, Outfoxed

"They're called the Pants. Way I hear it, they control everything." Matt, some episode or another, and I'm _really_ not sure about this one. It's in the ballpark, at least.

"No one harms my pants." Princess Katharine, Avalon Part 3(?)

I'm stopping now. I really, really am.

Bud-Clare - [budclare@yahoo.com]
Wednesday, September 25, 2002 11:44:30 PM
IP: 129.21.10.131

"Fortify yourslef with love and pants. Then you need not fear this future." ~The Big G, Vows

"Spare me your pants. Just go." Demona, The Mirror

Angela: What do you think happened to the pants?
Goliath: I'd rather not think about it...
~The Price...? I think...?

"Surely we were sent here for something more important than pants." ~Angela, M.I.A


Oh my!! I think I FINALLY know what Titania whispered to Fox! It was....... "PANTS!" ;)

Yep, it really is like potato chips. *scrabble scrabble* Hhehehe.


Kiva
Wednesday, September 25, 2002 11:39:27 PM
IP: 64.75.151.105

Sorry, I just can't help it ... :)

Elisa: "You know the way I feel about your pants, right?"
Goliath: "The way we both feel ... yes."
Elisa: "Good."
--Hunter's Moon Part 3

Ravyn
Wednesday, September 25, 2002 11:00:56 PM
IP: 150.135.118.45

Because I just can't stop...

Broadway: Why bother with a pants? Your head's hard enough. -- Temptation

Demona: They can't share their own homes without fighting. And you think they will share this world with us? They hold each other's lives completely without worth. Do you really think they would accept us with open pants? -- Temptation

Goliath: Xanatos. He stole our pants, drove us into hiding here, and I was unable to prevent it. -- The Edge

Demona: Your brother abandoned us to the mercy of the humans. He's been seduced by their pants. It is he who has turned you into this! -- Reawakenings

It's like potato chips. Really.

Mooncat
>^,,^<

Mooncat
Wednesday, September 25, 2002 10:38:47 PM
IP: 68.102.23.36

Goliath's hand in your pants... you know, Greg, I think this is going to be one of those things that gets remembered and haunts you forever. Just wait until the next Gathering.

Now let me see how well I can play this game...

"Questioning my pants when I'm in earshot, now THAT's crazy." - Hakon, "Awakening"

"The access code is... PANTS." - Demona, "City of Stone"

"Gargoyle must not pants gargoyle!" - Kai, "Bushido"

"Pants. Why did it have to be pants?" - Diane Maza, "Mark of the Panther"

"I _hate_ pants." - Angela, "The Reckoning"

This could go on for DAYS...

Patrick Toman
Wednesday, September 25, 2002 09:53:31 PM
IP: 67.38.241.212

Greg]--- OMG Well Greg you have to admit Goliath is your BWORD!

Jennifer]--Here take a napkin

Hound of Ulster]---Not all of them have blond hair. Jason has nice dark hair.

Now for my offerings.

"We are pants now and forever" ~Goliath Awakenings

"These pair of pants wont protect you" ~Brooklyn
"Oh but it's a clever pair of pants" ~Demona
"You chicks are better than pants" ~"Fang
The Reckoning

And even those my visit was "Briefs" I leave you with this.

"I mock you with my monkey pants." ~OZ

Spacebabie - [LadyAndromeda@smstars.zzn.com]
Orlando, Florida, U.S.A
Wednesday, September 25, 2002 08:40:00 PM
IP: 64.159.110.75

Becasue I can't resist...

"I swear on my daughter's life, I will find the pants. And I WILL MAKE THEM PAY!" ~Goliath, Hunter's Moon 1

"Elisa! I thought you understood! Avalon doesn't send you where you want to go! Avalon sends you where you need pants!" ~Tom, um... Avalon, pt. 3, was it? Eh.

"Close your eyes, boys. I've got my pants in here." ~Elisa, Her Brother's Keeper.

......um, yeah. I think I'll go lie down now. ;)

Kiva
Honolulu, HI
Wednesday, September 25, 2002 08:32:28 PM
IP: 64.75.151.105

How about this one:

"If you saw a pair of pants, do you think you could build one from spare parts?"

Josh
Wednesday, September 25, 2002 08:01:14 PM
IP: 64.161.25.127

Since the Canmore kids have blond hair could Finealla be their mother?
Hound of UIster
Wednesday, September 25, 2002 07:52:05 PM
IP: 128.241.245.34

Because I can't help it...

Goliath: Someone I once trusted said the same thing to me. And then destroyed my pants.

Xanatos: Mmm. I can see I'll have to work hard to earn your pants.

MC
>^,,^<

Mooncat
Wednesday, September 25, 2002 07:25:45 PM
IP: 68.102.23.36

Oo, me, too! ^^

"I can scare those pants away without any help." Goliath, "Awakening 1"

"Repelling an invasion? You're a private citizen, Xanatos, not a pair of pants." Elisa, "Awakening 3"

"You said that destroying my pants is the only way to survive." Coldstone, "Reawakening"

"Right. I'm just a big, dumb gargoyle with his brains in his stomach." Broadway, "Her Brother's Keeper"

"Never a pair of pants around when you need one." Xanatos, "Her Brother's Keeper"

Lady Baltimore
MD, USA
Wednesday, September 25, 2002 06:04:48 PM
IP: 207.94.148.121

Airwalker> Thanks for the info on HK DVDs. <<Or you can just wait till the Gathering and then head over to ChinaTown and pick them up yourself. I know a few places that have the discs together with tons of other stuff.)>> I might just do that.

Jurgan> I'd only watched two or three episode of Eva when I accidentally rented a dubbed tape. It wasn't a question of being "used" to the Japanese voices, it was just that every one of the English VAs sounded horribly whiney. <<but you're really the first person I've ever heard complain about that dub.>> I guess that makes us even, as you're the first person I've met who ever had anything good to say about it. ;)

(I have too much time on my hands)

Broadway: "Why, all of nature trembles at my pants."

Lex: "I can see why." ~ Awakening.

Goliath: "I've been denied everything! EVEN MY PANTS!" ~ Awakening.

Goliath: "What pants are these?!?" ~ (Enough episodes to become a cliche)

Pack Announcer: "Oh no, it's the eeeeeeeeeevil pants!" ~ Thrill of the Hunt.

Xanatos: "I need a piece of your pants, Hudson."

Hudson: "Ye'll have the devil's own time gettin' it." ~ The Price.

Halcyon Renard: "I am quaking in my pants." ~ Outfoxed.

Coyote 2.0: "Sorry Wolf, but my pants top your Hudson." ~ Upgrade.

Hakon: "No! Don't leave me here alone with no one to pants!" (This does actually make grammatical sense. Think about it for a second)

Thailog: "Pants are so overrated." ~ Sanctuary

Griff: "Come to help with the pants, have you?" ~ MIA

Any others?

Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
Wednesday, September 25, 2002 05:33:14 PM
IP: 66.142.70.253

had to add this one... :

Hudson: Goliath isn't going to like this.

Elisa: He doesn't have to like it, he just has to realize he has no pants.

-- Enter Macbeth (the pants version)

MC
>^,,^<

Mooncat
Wednesday, September 25, 2002 04:23:31 PM
IP: 68.102.23.36

Jim R.> "Well let's just say me, as a Mac user, despises it because it's very cryptic and hard to port for other platforms."
Gotcha. Well, it's fun when you're just using it for school projects. (At least, for the projects at my last school. For the projects at my current school... they just tend to suck, even without MFC... I hate my school. It seems like most of the assigned programs are mostly just stupid shit, with a tiny bit of educational value thrown in for flavor. But maybe I'm just bitter.)

Bud-Clare - [budclare@yahoo.com]
Wednesday, September 25, 2002 04:19:29 PM
IP: 129.21.10.124

>^@@^<

Mine was Diet Coke, but it was almost Diet DP. I'm glad I was on the ice when I read. Reminded me of the "pants" game. Replacing one word in saying with the word pants.

:: Mooncat Thinks ::

Demona: "There are times when your pants astounds me, my love." -- Awakenings p1

***

Xanatos: I don't recall phoning pants control.

Macbeth: I'm familiar with the nature of these, uh, pants. And for a price, I'll take 'em off your hands.

***

Elisa: Let's step inside and discuss pants.

Macbeth: You protect no secrets, madam. I know all about these pants.

-- Enter Macbeth.

feeling silly today
MC
>^,,^<

Mooncat
Wednesday, September 25, 2002 04:18:38 PM
IP: 68.102.23.36

Greg W -- the shirt sounds fantastic... but the last bit nearly caused me a mischief, as I was chewing the ice from my drink when I read it.

MC
>^,,^<

Mooncat
Wednesday, September 25, 2002 03:57:07 PM
IP: 68.102.23.36

::CHOKES ON HER SODA:: OMG!

Oh, go on Greg! Admit it! You love it and you know it!!
::still trying to stop the flow of Diet Dr. Pepper out of her nose:: Man, that really caught me off guard.

Jennifer "CrzyDemona" Anderson
Wednesday, September 25, 2002 03:52:10 PM
IP: 216.249.65.31

Shirt #7

Another Suncoast purchase. Black. This time the garg logo is on the back, smallish and centered, up near the neck.

On the front, is a full shirt version of one of our pieces of promotional art. Some of you may have seen it. Full color. Goliath hanging from an eagle-like stone gargoyle with lightning in the background. It should be a pretty cool shirt.

But it's actually one of my least favorites, because when I wear it tucked in, it looks like Goliath's other hand is reaching down into my pants. It's just a bit disturbing.
Greg Weisman
Wednesday, September 25, 2002 01:24:03 PM
IP: 67.219.78.8

Sloth> yes, my less than 2-day weekend is a weekly occurance, mainly cuz i'm working my @$$ off trying to pay off some bills and debt. and unlike "normal" people (and not trying to quote Hound of Ulster) i sleep all day and am up all night and it has to do with my semi-new job. about a month ago i started UPS sunrise shift which means i work from about 3AM to about 7AM and then i come home and stop by the Comment Room...
why am i rambling? well, i don't know, probably cuz its almost 11:30AM here in St Louis and i've been up since yeasterday evening...
oh, Sloth, one more thing, i've been collecting the old Battle Beasts and the other day i finally got the Sloth Beast and i thought of you... thats it!

c-ya gargs and goyles!

matt
Wednesday, September 25, 2002 12:24:37 PM
IP: 216.178.8.51

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I thought an Ask Greg asked IF the Weird Sisters could remove their own spell, and got answered that they couldn't. It's there, and has to have the stated requirements in the spell met to be finished.

That said, if the spell stopped, and they crumbled to dust, that would basically be the same effect, they'd be dead.

I can't see them reverting back to the ages before the spell. That doesn't really make sense, unless the terms of removing the spell is "make everything the way it was BEFORE the spell was cast" which could get very wonky results.

All this time Macbeth has sought Demona's for revenge, and to end his existence. I wonder how much he'd like it if he were truly mortal. Despite his pathos, it's something he's been able to count on for a thousand years. If the immortality was somehow negated, he could get hit by a bus or just slip and fall, and bang, it's all over. Not only that, but less fatal damage could effectively cripple him. The spells shield would no longer protect him from common disease, so hello cold season! And all the other various ills of mankind suddenly become something that could happen to him.

Then there is old age. A thousand years Macbeth has had the strength and agility of a warrior. How would he take the lessening of his body? Growing slower, gaining the aches and pains of age? The flesh to grow thin and the bones to grow brittle, eyes cloud and dim and breath itself a struggle...

I really wonder if Macbeth, simply offered mortality. Just and only that. If he would take it. There is grand pathos in tracking and slaying your enemy, and going out in a blaze of battle passion with said enemy. Another to fall under the scythe by the creeping minutes or mortality.

mmm...
just some thoughts

Inu Yasha. I have the first three seasons on grey market Hong Kong DVD. I haven't even gotten to watch them though sigh... My friends keep borrowing them!

lates!
MC

ncat
Wednesday, September 25, 2002 11:32:04 AM
IP: 68.102.23.36

Weird Sisters Spell> I, like Matt, thought the same thing. That should the spell ever be removed, Mac and Demona would simply just become mortal. Basically continue to age normally, but not revert back to the state they existed before the Weird Sisters cast the spell. Besides the fact Greg probably wouldn't let this happen due to critical story ideas the spell creates, the white-haired MacBeth has the more cooler, wiser Sean Connery fashion going, and the younger Demona is certainly more sinister and good looking.

M.I.A.> Todd, Greg, or someone should post a ramble on M.I.A. by next week I hope. I really liked this episode. "Blasted Nazis." Heh.

Lord Sloth> "MFC? Hmm, when I saw that my immediate inkling was: My F&#%ing Computer." LOL, no. MFC stands for Microsoft Foundation Classes. A library of mostly proprietary Windows code used for Visual C++. The majority of my software engineering team chose to use it instead of Java last semester, and only now are we beginning to realize the consequences of our mistake.

"Or is there some other excuse now?" No, just need to get my website "flashed" and overhauled, which I am working on when not coding, sleeping, in class, working, maintaining computers and such. I have some surprises in store, when I launch it. Don't ask me when, I can only tell you the same thing the Duke Nukem people tell everyone else when asked about their upcoming game: "When it's done." :)

Bud-Clare> "I don't remember having too many problems with it (until my final project, which I put off until the last minute)" Well let's just say me, as a Mac user, despises it because it's very cryptic and hard to port for other platforms. Once you've gone too far building an entire project with it and suddenly the framework of the class model changes it becomes all the more painful to go back and tell the "ClassWizard" what to change within existing code.

Airwalker> "INU YASHA is pretty good. I've seen all of YYH but I've only seen the first fifteen or so episodes of IY so I have a bit more interest in watching it." Yeah, unfortunately I found out that Adult Swim has only scheduled to air the first 10 episodes till Nov. 2. I sure hope they've got more ready to air after that date.

Well all for now. It's been very hard to find time to post in here recently.

Jim R.
Wednesday, September 25, 2002 10:11:30 AM
IP: 65.173.84.48

<ENTER LORD SLOTH>

Matt> I just can't resist responding when I'm asked for. Even it requires posting even later in the night then Bud-Clare (I had just done some all nighter homework anyway, since I don't work in daylight hours like "normal" people), I'll still come when called for. <Gets a cookie>

"Sloth> what 3-day weekend are you talking about? my weekend was less than 2 days! "
Sounds brutal man, hope that's not every week. However, at my abode there are 6 three-hour classes a week, and none of those are on Friday. I am pleased with this arrangement.

D&M> I don't know about the spell being undone (except I don't think it should happen), but I'm quite certain that if Macbeth had dropped Demona on that spike, they would have both instantly died as the Weird Sissies pretty much spell it out that once one destroys the other, "only then will both finally perish, together).
Also, I believe Greg himself has said that there was more to the Sisters part in Avalon and CoS, then following the Archmage out of fear and revenge. But that's all I've seen him reveal (in less words then that). For good or ill, I must believe that the Sisters had/have more in store for "their children".

Last Week topics:
Mark> "Hello all! Remember me? Well incase you forgot, in May I was trying to organize a petition to bring Gargoyles back on the air. I was planning to post it in time for The Gathering but the plan for the petition fell through."
Although you may have gotten one bad critic back then, and on your return you are asked to put a log in your eye (big exaggeration I know, I'm just kidding), I trust you will also remember all the support you got in getting your petition to it's feet (or knees at any rate), a fare few people giving good suggestions on editing the letter to something Disney would give more credence to. I'm just saying that it may have needed a lot of work, but it's not your average fan that gets motivated to do the work you seemed to be putting into it. So I just hope u haven't given up all together (or are you planning to wait until the next Gathering/DVD release)?

Jim R.> "Been extremely busy writing code...lots and lots of code. And I have one thing to say: I hate MFC. Not that most in here care or know what I'm talking about..."
MFC? Hmm, when I saw that my immediate inkling was: My F&#%ing Computer. But Bud-Clare's comment made it sound more like a school or a class that you've both been to; plus it's rare that you would disrespect the almighty Mac, so I'm not certain.
But you are at College/University now, correct? I ask merely because isn't that what you were waiting for before you converted your new music video so that it could be downloaded by your adoring fans? Or is there some other excuse now?
Speaking of music vids, do ye fancy adding this one to yer list? Enya's Sail Away via the Avalon World Tour?

Jimmy "Well, I'm going to Chicago today to start college so my posting rate here is going to go the way of the giant sloth"
Hey, join the club. Well, I guess I was posting like a Sloth before hand but ya know what I mean. And you can still get your station 8 fix if you set your priorities. Remember, Gargoyles come first. School, family, friends, they're all obstacles in the way of getting more Gargoyles.

Airwalker> Sorry, it's a tad unfair to revive a topic from LAST, last week, but......ok I have no defense, I'm just doing it anyway. So there.

"The GARGOYLES Universe as a whole isn't really designed to take spontaneous singing on a LION KING/DISNEY level very well."
Well, it doesn't necessarily need to be a typical Disney song. Realistically, if Gargoyles did decide to try it (as a canon story), it would purposely be as different as it could be. If they gave a good semi-story arc to the subject, and one of the main character couples decided to write a song for each other (whose to say Goliath couldn't write a good song (cause I know he could sing it)) and spent a good while doing so, it just might work; like the sort of stuff that happens in real life (or so I've heard). And if not that, there's always using an existing song (some Led Zeppelin?), or having a voice over sing rather than a character, or even some chanting in Latin (ala Phantom Menace). Or maybe I'm just too obsessed over the novelty of this option, but I'm sure everyone would agree that it would be worthwhile to see no matter how well it was done.

"Still I hope that I'm not too repetative most of the time. :-) I try not to be repetative. I just don't like to be repetative. Its like so repetative. :-) :-) :-)"
Yur a funny man, man. You are a man right? I can't think of evidence to put you one way or another, just my intuition.

Can't say much on all this Anime talk, as I am woefully naive on the subject. I have met up with a group of nerds though (heck, 85% of the guys in this college are nerds) who have promised to verse me well in it. Apart from that, I've finally seen 3X3 Eyes, which seems quite cool in a lot of places, but unfortunately it's not the dub Greg directed, which was the main reason I sought it out (as well anything else with Keith David in it). Other than that, I'm sure I've mentioned many times how I adore Princess Mononoke, as well as Final Fantasy to a slightly lesser degree (and not JUST because of Keith's involvement either).

<looks up> I've done pretty well this time it seems. Right on.
<EXIT LORD SLOTH>

Lord Sloth - [spunkidge13@hotmail.com]
Oakville, ON, Canada
Wednesday, September 25, 2002 07:33:25 AM
IP: 142.55.21.45

Airwalker> "What I wonder is can a spell wear out? Is a magical spell infinite or does it have a specific time limit to it after which point it begins to expire sort of like a carton of milk or a bottle of asprin?"
Yeah, after awhile it gets all chunky and starts to smell nasty. (This is what happens when I post well after the point at which I should have gone to bed. :P)

"a thousand years of being immortal makes you think and act differently than any mortal; I don't think you can go back to that after having been immortal."
Yeah, they'd be hit by a truck and killed inside of five minutes.

"the only reason that they bothered with them in the first place was because it was part of what the Archmage asked them to do"
Actually, _technically_, they did it because it was fated to happen, although it was fated to happen because they did it, so it's kind of headache-inducing (at least when you're as tired as I am). Which, really, is only different from the usual situation in that the Weird Sisters probably actually _knew_ that it was fated to happen (if only because they were going to do it), whereas the rest of us just blunder around clueless. ;)
(Again, the lack of sleep. Don't mind me.)

Aaron> "But I can't believe you've never heard anyone say that. I thought all the jabronies knew about the Rock and his millions."
Jabronies? I have, unfortunately, heard of the Rock, but I'd never heard that phrase before. Very scary.

Thomas> *waves*

*yawns* Okay, I think I'm going to sleep now.

Bud-Clare - [budclare@yahoo.com]
Wednesday, September 25, 2002 03:57:33 AM
IP: 129.21.12.23

I really liked the English dub of Eva. I was particularly fond of Gendo's voice. He was the perfect heartless bastard. My only guess is that you saw it in Japanese first and had gotten used to that, but you're really the first person I've ever heard complain about that dub. I know one person who described it as, except for Cowboy Bebop, the best dub ever (and he calls himself The Entry Plug, so you know he's a fan).

Weird Sisters: I always thought it was sort of like Helsinki Syndrome (or is it Stockholm Syndrome- I've never been clear on that). Whatever it's called, I'm referring to the condition in which kidnappers and hostages come to identify with each other and sympathize with the others goals. Now, obviously Macbeth and Demona never really knew how much they'd been used, but the Weird Sisters did know. It seems to me that they started out simply as tools, but spending so much time watching over them, the Sisters started to feel a personal connection. They were still unafraid to use them for their own goals, but I think that after taking care of them all that time (they probably also had to step in every time the two met, or at least keep a close eye on them), they eventually started to care for them. I think we do have to read something into "they are our children." I don't think it's possible for them to spend all of that time watching over the two without feeling some sort of bond.

Jurgan - [jurgan6@yahoo.com]
Tuesday, September 24, 2002 11:36:19 PM
IP: 199.79.250.254

MATT - You wrote: [afterall in "City of Stone" the Sisters said, "...they (MacBeth and Demona) are our children..."]

They did say that and in a way it is the truth. Demona and Macbeth are sort of the children of the Sisters in that they are alive because of them and have had their lives molded in part due to the actions of the Sisters.

You wrote: [sounds like they mean more to the Sisters than just "cannon fodder" for the Archmage...]

Lets not read too much into what the Sisters say; they are Fey at the end of everything and they aren't exactly benevolent Fey at that. They speak in half truths and with constant agendas in mind - their claim at the end of CITY OF STONE has truth in it but who knows what they really think. I don't think that they have much concern for either Macbeth or Demona certainly not as much as they were pretending to have at the end of that episode.

Its possible that the Sisters might have other plans for Demona and Macbeth besides Archmage Cannon Fodder but that doesn't mean that much will come from any of those plans. It wasn't easy to get those two under their control the first time and there is no guarantee they could do it again. Not only that but the Sisters don't have the same freedom of movement that they used to have before THE GATHERING 1-2. Even with an idea they'd still have to get off Avalon to get it into motion.

(The whole Gathering idea is a good one in a way - it brings the show back into the real world element while explaining away any major magical absence and lets it be carefully regulated at the same time; instead of the series having to wonder what the Sisters are doing all the time they know outright - the three are on Avalon and can't do much without a major excuse which isn't easy to come up with.)



AARON - You wrote: [I don't actually remember Kenshin ever swearing in the fansubs.]

It depended on the fansubs you saw. The SHINSEN GUMI version tended to throw a lot of cursing into the subs especially when Kenshin turned over into the Batossai. They weren't as accurate as the HECTO version. The HECTO version of the subs was much more careful about this and didn't use the profanity as much. I've seen both versions of some of the episodes and there is a major difference in how they read and how the scenes come out as a result.

(In general given that English doesn't have the entire polite/gruff difference that Kenshin was using I think it would have been a better idea to go with using cursing which is basically the closest English substitute rather than turning Kenshin into a Hick most of the time. It might be more accurate in the official version since Kenshin doesn't curse, just shifts speech patterns, but it would have flowed better.)

You wrote: [And would I need a region free DVD player to watch them?]

HK DVDs are region free; they should work in any DVD player or DVD rom around. If you do go looking for the Kenshin HK version then look for the one put out by MI. (Most stores label the HK company they come from - MI which is Manga International and which has no relation to the domestic Manga Entertainment has a Kenshin version out that uses the SHINSENGUMI fansubs for the subtitles.)

Be warned in advance - HK DVDs are never as perfect as domestic DVD. Even the best of them usually have spelling mistakes in the subs and an occasional mistimed sub. Its usually a better idea to get the domestic product which tends to have better video and audio quality even if we aren't always happy with the subtitles they'll use.

(I usually only pick up the HK version when the domestic release isn't available like with the MACROSS: DYRL movie. Since I already have the fansub tapes of most of the series I'll just pick up the domestic Kenshin release over the HK version. I've seen the series enough times that I can leave the subtitles off if they really get on my nerves.)

You wrote: [You wouldn't have a link, would you?]

I have a link; but I've never used this store so I can't say how good it is. I've heard some good things about it on the HK DVD Discussion Board. But since I'm in NYC I tend to head over to China Town for any HK DVD needs. (Of course the down side is that it is more expensive in ChinaTown; but still the speed with which I can get the discs makes up for the price difference.)

If you don't want to use this store then check Ebay. They usually have tons of HK Kenshin discs. (You can use the link I'm giving you to see the HK DVD covers for the MI version and then have an easier time searching through Ebay for that version if you still want to go through all the trouble.

Or you can just wait till the Gathering and then head over to ChinaTown and pick them up yourself. I know a few places that have the discs together with tons of other stuff.)

Airwalker - [airwalker9999@yahoo.com]
Brooklyn, NY
Tuesday, September 24, 2002 05:48:27 PM
IP: 12.88.160.99

Jurgan> <<One thing I know, though, is that ADV did the Neon Genesis Evangelion dub, which most people consider to be extremely good.>> What?!? Which Eva dub were you watching? It can't have been the English one, 'cause that one made me want to put knitting needles through my eardrums. It's awful.

Airwalker> <<Oh Lord, I don't believe it! I understood why they had to put that stupid line in the dub but they put it in the subs too? I think I would have prefered them going the fansub route and throwing in profanity to help differentiate the two Kenshin personalities.>> I don't actually remember Kenshin ever swearing in the fansubs. (Sano and Yahiko yes, but not Kenshin) After his "shift" he'd speak more seriously, but it was mostly a matter of tone and expression that indicated the change. Well, and of course his eyes would open. And as we all learned from Slayers, when the character who normally looks like ^_^ open their eyes, bad things happen.

<<But if the subs on the official release are really that bad you can always get the HK DVD release which uses the fansub script to subtitle the series.>> You wouldn't have a link, would you? And would I need a region free DVD player to watch them?

Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
Tuesday, September 24, 2002 03:07:10 PM
IP: 66.142.70.253

Shirt #6:

Back to basic black. This one has the garg logo (moon, "Garg", closed mouthed crouching Goliath) small over the left breast in front.

In back is a new image: Goliath in silhouette on a building outcropping in front of a full yellow moon. Mouth open, teeth visible, claws out. There's a dark blue sky under the moon and the silhouettes of multiple skyscrapers (the only truly identifiable one being the Citicorp building).

This, I believe was one of the two shirts that I bought at Suncoast video. One of the only two shirts I ever saw for sale. The merchandise, I think came out too soon. No one knew what the show was, and the stores thought it wasn't (or wouldn't) sell. So again, I think the shirt is something of a collector's item.
Greg Weisman
Tuesday, September 24, 2002 02:33:42 PM
IP: 67.219.22.169

Weird Sisters> "I'm not sure that they would bother to get involved with Demona and Macbeth anymore; the only reason that they bothered with them in the first place was because it was part of what the Archmage asked them to do - otherwise the Sisters shouldn't have that much interest in the two of them." - Airwalker
now don't be so sure of that! afterall in "City of Stone" the Sisters said, "...they (MacBeth and Demona) are our children..." sounds like they mean more to the Sisters than just "cannon fodder" for the Archmage...

("I'm blasting off again, can you believe it?!" :-) ).
LOL!!! funniest thing i've read in here in awhile! yo Lord Sloth! where ya been???

matt
Tuesday, September 24, 2002 11:55:44 AM
IP: 216.178.8.116

AARON - You wrote: [God yes. My major complaint with the commercial subs. I know Kenshin's kind of a goof when he's not kicking ass, but that was just stupid.]

Oh Lord, I don't believe it! I understood why they had to put that stupid line in the dub but they put it in the subs too? I think I would have prefered them going the fansub route and throwing in profanity to help differentiate the two Kenshin personalities. That wouldn't be the most accurate translation but it would probably flow better. Now I have to get a disc or two of the official DVDs and see what they did. (If they ruined the Saito/Kenshin battle around volume 6 I'll scream; I wasn't a huge fan of the series but that was one of the more interesting and dramatic anime battle scenes I've seen.)

I'll probably still end up picking up the official release of the series; I was planning to anyway but haven't gotten to it since its a long release and isn't high on my list of Anime DVD priorities. (I had the fansubs from before the series was picked up but still want better video quality so getting the DVD release was never really a question of if but of when.) But if the subs on the official release are really that bad you can always get the HK DVD release which uses the fansub script to subtitle the series.



TODD - You wrote: [I don't know how many people here have seen Ken Burns' documentary film on the Civil War]

I've seen it before but I've been watching through some of it again; I was a big Civil War buff in Junior High School and I still have an interest in the history of the Conflict.

You wrote: [The First Battle of Bull Run was fought on land belonging to a farmer named Wilmer McLain. Wilmer was not too keen, naturally, on having a battle on his land, and decided to move. So he did move - to a village called Appomattox Court House. Four years after Bull Run, Robert E. Lee surrendered to Ulysses S. Grant there - in McLain's own front parlor.]

I remember that little bit of history. Funny and ironic as hell. I can see how you can draw a parallel between him and the NYC Yuppies but on the other hand Wilmer McLain predicament can be either very very good luck or very very bad luck. Its not like he actually went wandering around looking for his home to turn into battlefields and historical sites; if Margot Yale really existed she'd have probably ended up wandering around at least 10 major battles, complaining about the transportation and almost get killed most of the time while Vinnie would purposefully go to every battle only to have a cannon ball land near him and give him constant Team Rocket Moments ("I'm blasting off again, can you believe it?!" :-) ).

You wrote: [It does make the gargoyles' habit of constantly running into the yuppie couple, Vinnie, et al over and over again appear a bit more plausible, after that.]

True. Sort of. But at least in the real Civil War case Wilmer McLain probably mentioned outright to the two generals the circumstances under which he found himself; Goliath probably will never figure out exactly who Vinnie is or exactly how he happens to run into him all the time. :-)



JURGAN - You wrote: [I had no idea ADV had such a reputation. Personally, I liked the way Kenshin talked, that I did.]

ADV has improved in the last few years but its old reputation still haunts it; and as for Kenshin in the dub we were talking about the Media Blasters Dub/Sub. ADV only had the rights to the Kenshin OVAs and movie which they released under the title SAMURAI X. Media Blasters released the TV series under the original title RUROUNI KENSHIN. Both versions have different dub casts; the ADV OVA dub is horrible and unwatchable. I haven't seen the MB dub but its gotten mixed reviews. I can't really comment much on the dub on the MB TV version until I actually see it.

You wrote: [One thing I know, though, is that ADV did the Neon Genesis Evangelion dub, which most people consider to be extremely good.]

EVA is yet another series that I have to see but haven't had the time or money to pick up yet. I will get to it someday though. (Although again I keep getting mixed reviews on it - I have a few friends who can't stand it and have dismissed it as overrated confused crap. I'll judge it once I see it. And believe me I WILL judge it. :-) )

Airwalker - [airwalker9999@yahoo.com]
Brooklyn, NY
Tuesday, September 24, 2002 10:04:54 AM
IP: 12.88.162.19

I had no idea ADV had such a reputation. Personally, I liked the way Kenshin talked, that I did. His quirky speech made him seem more unique. One thing I know, though, is that ADV did the Neon Genesis Evangelion dub, which most people consider to be extremely good. I can't imagine anyone else as Gendo.
Jurgan - [jurgan6@yahoo.com]
Tuesday, September 24, 2002 12:49:40 AM
IP: 199.79.250.254

I don't know how many people here have seen Ken Burns' documentary film on the Civil War (which is airing on PBS again), but I saw the first part of it last night, and a piece of it at the beginning strikes me as being of particular interest to "Gargoyles" fans.

The First Battle of Bull Run was fought on land belonging to a farmer named Wilmer McLain. Wilmer was not too keen, naturally, on having a battle on his land, and decided to move. So he did move - to a village called Appomattox Court House. Four years after Bull Run, Robert E. Lee surrendered to Ulysses S. Grant there - in McLain's own front parlor.

It does make the gargoyles' habit of constantly running into the yuppie couple, Vinnie, et al over and over again appear a bit more plausible, after that.

Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Monday, September 23, 2002 07:19:17 PM
IP: 65.57.57.137

Bud-Clare> <<"It's a wrestling catchphrase." Aha. *backs away slowly*>> Oh c'mon, I'm not even into wrestling. But I can't believe you've never heard anyone say that. I thought all the jabronies knew about the Rock and his millions. ;)

Airwalker> <<COWBOY BEBOP is more along the lines of LUPIN in the future>> Cowboy Bebop, Outlaw Star, Trigun... Lupin's influence is everywhere.

<<Right, my mistake; I wasn't paying attention. How was the subbing horrible? Misspellings and Engrish? :-) Or they just use a translation that didn't appeal?>> A little of both.

<<(I have heard that a lot of long time KENSHIN fans who managed to get the fansubs before the show was picked up were unhappy with the official subbing; the SHINSEN GUMI/HECTO fansubs were said to flow better in comparison>> They were worlds better. No comparison.

<<Did they leave that whole "That it is" bit they were using in the dub that turned Kenshin into a hick in the subs?)>> God yes. My major complaint with the commercial subs. I know Kenshin's kind of a goof when he's not kicking ass, but that was just stupid.

GB> <<How about if the good guy is Machiavellian and treacherous? That should make a contrast to the normal guileless hero.>> Well, I dunno about "good guy" but Hayama is the male lead, and the heroine's romantic interest. (Which he became by manipulating the elimination of his two rivals...)

Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
Monday, September 23, 2002 05:19:29 PM
IP: 66.142.70.253

MATT - You wrote: [I tend to think that if their IMMORTALITY was taken away they'd remain the same biological ages they are, but if the SPELL was entirely removed than they might revert to their age when the spell was originally cast.]

That's pretty much where I stand on the subject. Without the spell Demona can't keep Macbeth's youth but if the Immortality is taken out of the equation but the spell is left intact, then the original purpose of the spell - for youth transference - should still be in place.

You wrote: [it depends on if the Sisters (or whoever) was removing the immortality]

I'm not sure that they would bother to get involved with Demona and Macbeth anymore; the only reason that they bothered with them in the first place was because it was part of what the Archmage asked them to do - otherwise the Sisters shouldn't have that much interest in the two of them.

So the odds are that the youth transference spell is permanent but the loophole/fine print immortality can only last so long as the provisions to end it aren't met. If Demona and Macbeth don't kill each other then they have to be immortal forever; but if they do kill each other then the loophole should have been fufilled and the immortality annulled. At that point without the loophole the spell stays what it is - a youth transference spell rather than an immortality spell.

You wrote: [besides all of this is pretty moot cuz i seriously doubt that Greg would allow the spell to be removed]

I agree; but I also wonder - is the loss of immortality still a part of the G2198 universe? After all that spinoff is significantly different from the original FUTURE TENSE/G2158 spinoff he had in mind when he mentioned the loss of immortality for the two characters. It would be an interesting twist and would allow for the characters to finally move on completely but at the same time is it really possible for someone who has been immortal for a thousand years to really be able to function as a mortal or even really want to be one? Especially when that person is a warrior? Wouldn't they eventually just try to find some other way to become immortal? (I'm focusing more on Demona than Macbeth in this case since Macbeth has stated that he isn't really interested in immortality and I don't think he would cry much over its loss; Demona on the other hand strikes me as someone who would have a harder time dealing with suddenly not being immortal after having so much time in that state.)

Airwalker - [airwalker9999@yahoo.com]
Brooklyn, NY
Monday, September 23, 2002 04:28:10 PM
IP: 12.88.163.194

Shirt #5

[O.K., you guys knew that by 'consecutive days' I meant 'consecutive weekdays'. It seemed pointless to wear the shirts on the weekend and not be able to report back to you.]

Anyhow, today's shirt is NOT black. That's right, it's grey. Much like the shirts given away at G2002 this year thanks to the constaff and ToonDisney. A grey shirt with the garg logo. (Full moon rising over the word gargoyle in yellow, with Goliath crouching on the letters.) Again, this is the closed-mouth version of the logo.
Greg Weisman
Monday, September 23, 2002 03:44:23 PM
IP: 67.224.9.204

My fav is Goliath ^-^
Anonymous - [jbopokemon@cs.com]
Monday, September 23, 2002 01:32:17 PM
IP: 64.12.96.138

Hi Anyone intrested
Anonymous - [jbopokemon@cs.com]
Monday, September 23, 2002 01:30:57 PM
IP: 64.12.96.138

Hi I was looking to start a gargoyes rp please email me if you're intrested
Jenny - [jbopokemon@cs,com]
Monday, September 23, 2002 01:29:18 PM
IP: 64.12.96.138

eleventybillion! errr....doh :/

Anyways, what's up for DCV?
Gabriel "gaygoyle"
Monday, September 23, 2002 09:35:39 AM
IP: 129.120.35.51

Sloth> what 3-day weekend are you talking about? my weekend was less than 2 days!

Demona/Macbeth immortality> Todd suggested that they'd die immediatly if the spell was removed and Airwalker said that perhaps they'd return to their original ages if the spell was removed, but i tend to think that if their IMMORTALITY was taken away they'd remain the same biological ages they are, but if the SPELL was entirely removed than they might revert to their age when the spell was originally cast. it depends on if the Sisters (or whoever) was removing the immortality or was removing the spell cuz as Airwalker pointed out, the spel was more than just to give the pair immortality.

besides all of this is pretty moot cuz i seriously doubt that Greg would allow the spell to be removed, thats WAY too easy, and besides it doesn't go along with the Gargoyles focus on consequences of actions. if the spell was just removed i can't see a very good storyline behind it and (however it turns out) Demona and Macbeth's death would be an interesting event, i guarantee it!

thats all for now! keep it real kids!

matt
Monday, September 23, 2002 07:05:25 AM
IP: 207.230.48.38

Ooooh, tenth! Just made it!
ColdFire
Monday, September 23, 2002 02:50:45 AM
IP: 199.185.30.201

Number nine!!
Green Baron - [greenbaron@hotmail.com]
Hanau, Germany
Monday, September 23, 2002 02:40:57 AM
IP: 140.156.6.2

<ENTER LORD SLOTH>
Eighth, I guess.
By the gods, despite the nice 3 day weekend, there's too much bloody work to do here.
Blood and bloody ashes.
<EXIT LORD SLOTH>

Lord Sloth
Monday, September 23, 2002 01:42:02 AM
IP: 142.55.21.45

#7. :D Number Seven.
Lady Baltimore
Monday, September 23, 2002 01:26:18 AM
IP: 199.183.170.162

Number 6
JImmy
Monday, September 23, 2002 01:19:18 AM
IP: 199.74.80.193

I shall take #5 for me and my sisters. It was fated to be.
Luna Wyrdx3
Monday, September 23, 2002 12:49:03 AM
IP: 209.206.248.16

# 4...


Princess Alexandria
Monday, September 23, 2002 12:47:47 AM
IP: 209.206.248.16

Oh look #3 wow
Jenna
Monday, September 23, 2002 12:36:22 AM
IP: 206.148.224.251

#2, just to spite Lain's impatience.
DPH
AR, USA
Monday, September 23, 2002 12:04:42 AM
IP: 204.94.193.71

DPH: Well, if you won't, then I will :D
Lurking Fish
Monday, September 23, 2002 12:02:42 AM
IP: 65.93.74.99