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Comments for the week ending May 3, 2010

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NS> Nothing I can do about that, sorry. The wiki needs to be upgraded, and unfortunately, only the owner of the server can do that.

On another note, we're finally at 999 entries!

One more and we're finally at 1,000!

Greg Bishansky
Demona likes Buffalo Wings.

Looks like you already did, but what about my mail?
NinjaSheik - [hhodoan at yahoo dot com]

NS> What's the user name you picked there? I'll give you editing privileges.
Greg Bishansky
Demona likes Buffalo Wings.

You cannot be serious. Hmph, guess making a account was all for nothing. Can't get mail, can't even edit on there since everything is protected.
NinjaSheik - [hhodoan at yahoo dot com]

NinjaSheik> GargWiki uses quite old wiki software. I don't think it has an option to email you when pages on your watchlist are changed, although you can change your preferences to receive an email when your user talk page is edited. Your only option would seem to be visiting the site every so often to see if anything has changed.
Supermorff

I joined the Gargwiki like two weeks ago and add pages to my watchlist, but everytime something is edit, I don't mail in my account saying it was edit. What's up? I want to know what changes happened on the Gargwiki.
NinjaSheik - [hhodoan at yahoo dot com]

JURGAN - Good point. (Might explain why the henchmen of the kind of villains who engage in such punishments and executions are generally so inept.)
Todd Jensen

Todd: Not to mention it discourages risk-taking, which leads to timid subordinates who are too scared to try anything creative. Learning from mistakes is an important part of growth, and that can't happen if you never live past a mistake.
Jurgan - [jurgan6 at yahoo dot com]

BATTLE BEAST - I'm sorry to hear that.

ANTIYONDER - I remember once having the creativity demon that E--n P-x wasn't really the kindly, benevolent old man that he appeared to be - that his real agenda for stopping the civil war in Latvonia was so that he could unify it into a powerhouse that would wage war on and conquer its weaker neighbors, and that the Illuminati had seen through his facade and decided to assassinate him to stop him (as in "What if somebody had gotten rid of Hitler in 1932"). But I think that's too far-fetched.

The Illuminati do act like conventional cliched cartoon super-villains in "To Serve Mankind"; not only is their motive for going after P-x a piece of obvious moustache-twirling evil (even if it does fit the interpretation of the Illuminati in a lot of conspiracy theories), but also apparently, judging from their accosting Dr. Nexus after Goliath was freed from his rage, they go for the "kill the henchman who let them down" policy. While it's a popular activity of conventional super-villains, it has the drawback that if you keep on using it, you're soon going to run out of henchmen - and have trouble attracting new ones. (The only time Xanatos ever moved against one of his subordinates was in "Double Jeopardy" - and there the apparent crime wasn't failure, but deliberate betrayal.)

Todd Jensen

Greg B> I figured as much!

Elsewide, I had to put down my pet ferret Kenya today... I am pretty upset...

Battle Beast - [Canada]
I have started a movie challenge whereby I am wtching all 475 Best Picture nominees and winners in 365 days. I am on Day #55 and movie #65... wish me luck!

Battle Beast: The review is all to real.
Greg Bishansky
Demona likes Buffalo Wings.

Not sure if I mentioned it before, but I could almost see Eg0n P@x existing in the canon as a therapist who distributes self help tapes.

Of course the tapes would likely prompt someone into committing murder.

Antiyonder

Greg B.> Is that your real review, or a mock review of the episode??? It was funny, but...
Battle Beast - [Canada]
I have started a movie challenge whereby I am wtching all 475 Best Picture nominees and winners in 365 days. I am on Day #54 and movie #64... wish me luck!

BISHANSKY - Thanks for the new way of writing the name of "He Who Must Not Be Mentioned". I wonder if it might become more popular than, and even replace, the old "E--n P-x".

(The drawback of calling E--n P-x "He Who Must Not Be Mentioned", as I did above, is that people who are blissfully unaware of that episode might misinterpret that euphemism and think "The Illuminati wanted Goliath to assassinate Voldemort?" :) )

Todd Jensen

And, on another note, I added this to the GargWiki a few days ago.

It's my review of "To Serve Mankind." The infamous episode with Eg0n P@x.

http://gargoyles.dracandros.com/To_Serve_Mankind_%28review%29

Keep in mind, while reading this, that I was massively sleep deprived, drunk, and wrote this as I watched it between 4 and 6am. Not to mention that this is only my second time ever watching the episode.

Also, this is pure, unadulterated hate concentrated for your amusement. A friend of mind compared it to the Monarch raping that robot that had Dr. Venture's face on it.

LOL, with that in mind, watch this video, and pretend this is about me and how I feel about TGC:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owQmMFuc3Vk

;)

Greg Bishansky
Demona likes Buffalo Wings.

The GargWiki has made it to 994 entries. I figured, given the significance of that number to "Gargoyles," it was worth mentioning.

By the way, the entry is Female Commando.

Six more entries till 1,000!

Greg Bishansky
Demona likes Buffalo Wings.

I'm liable to post if someone posts something that I disagree with. If it's something that I agree with, or something that I merely find interesting, I'm liable to think to myself, "Why yes, I agree", or "Hmm, that's interesting!", but not actually make the effort to post.

It's horrible, I know, but the best way to get me talking is to give me an opportunity to argue.

Rebel

TODD> Those posts always fascinate me. But then, I love when the CR gets a little erudite.
Greg Bishansky
Demona likes Buffalo Wings.

Yes, I've noticed also that some of my posts have killed the room - generally, I suspect, because their topics were too scholarly and specialized and most of the other people in the room didn't know enough about the subject to think of a good response to them.
Todd Jensen

Wingless> I've been in the same spot and there have been times when I've found it frustrating, but there's really no sense in dwelling on it. It's not a personal slight and it's not about the color of your text or your screenname, or even that what you have to say isn't interesting. The room going dead quiet is a pretty common occurrence nowadays, and I can recall sometimes when it was Todd who made the last post before hours and hours of nothing. Personally, I've been posting less and lurking more because I don't feel like I have much to say on most of the topics being discussed, even when they are Gargoyles related. It doesn't mean I don't appreciate the interesting conversations that do go on in here; I just don't normally have anything to add and I'm not the type to post when all I have to say is "Neat" or "That's interesting."
Demonskrye - [<---A Goofy Movie at The Ink and Pixel Club]

Sorry for the double post, but since this is on topic:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufJTqT5gMg0

Which one do you think is Mab's favorite? My bet is on the Altenburger Ziegenkäse ;)

Greg Bishansky
Demona likes Buffalo Wings.

TINI> Oh god, yeah. And then they don't have free re-fills of soda, but give you these huge straws. It annoys the hell out of me.
Greg Bishansky
Demona likes Buffalo Wings.

Mab wears the cheese. The cheese does not wear her.
Spacebabie - [spacebabie at hotmail dot com]

Don't you hate it when an establishment advertises $4 foot-long subs, and then when you go to order you find out that cheese is $0.20 extra!?!
Anthony Tini

Todd - so I guess maybe coming up with some of the other obscure series you've possibly discovered Michael Reaves has worked on wouldn't be a worth a discussion? Then again, talking about cheese is far more interesting. Good god!
I don't know how many times I've come in here and posted an idea or topic and then at the end said "so what are your thoughts" and not gotten one response. So this time I figure I have a tidbit that might stir a discussion - and wow, same response. Then again, I'm not Todd or Greg B. who's posts are always worthy of a response.
Like Broadway "I'm just a big dumb gargoyle with his brains in his stomach"

Wingless

Phoenician - Mecha-Nation #1 isn't in the Diamond shipping list for this week so I don't think it was released. Even though news sites and resellers said April 28 was the release date, I don't know if it was an official date from Ape.
Landon Thomas - [<- Gargoyles News Twitter Feed]

As another poster in Yellow, I have to say that I've never felt particularly ignored around here... though there are times my comments will get no response, presumably for the reasons Todd has said. Although, maybe people just pass up my posts because of the yellow. Someone want to perform a science experiment?
Matt - [ewoks11 at hotmail dot com]

WINGLESS - I don't think that your post was followed by silence because you were considered irrelevant; I think it was followed by silence because nobody could think of anything to say about it (other than, presumably, "That's nice" or "That's interesting").
Todd Jensen

So I guess this is just another irrelevant post in green. :P
Patrick
"A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men." - Willy Wonka

Avatar Fail d:
Phoenician
"The suspense is terrible, I hope it lasts" -- Willy Wonka

Totally forgot to ask yesterday -- did anyone manage to pick up Mecha-Nation #1 ??

I asked my comic shop to hold both covers when they arrived, but I didn't get a call from them like I usually did whenever they had a copy of Gargoyles or Bad Guys . . . .

Phoenician
"The suspense is terrible, I hope it lasts" -- Willy Wonka

Jade - Thanks. Glad to know somebody did. It's apparent tho that unless you post in blue or red, your posts go unnoticed or you're considered irrelevant in here. Have chatted with a number of others that have felt that way too. Have never been part of a clique anyway.
Wingless

Oh, it's not gone? That's good. I need to get Clan Building Volume 2 also now that I think 'bout it... I'll just have to remember all this after June 13th is over.
ice

I got the first part of season 2, I plan on getting season 1 soon...ish. After the con I'm goin' too anyway. I got clan buildin' Volume 1. I'm just worried 'bout the World Tour, 'cause the DVD I recorded it on is pretty low quality, and they didn't show hunters moon part 3 before this happened apparently.
ice

The Third Race do eat, don't they?
Paul - [nampahcfluap at yahoo dot com]

TODD, keep in mind I mentioned that in the same breath where I said "Demona likes Buffalo Wings."

;)

Greg Bishansky
Demona likes Buffalo Wings.

Todd: The remark does seem smart-*ss, but then again, from what we know Greg's hinted about Queen Mab, its that she's "pretty much born crazy" . . . I wouldn't necessarily rule it out d:
Phoenician
"The suspense is terrible . . . I hope it lasts" -- Willy Wonka

Thanks, Bishansky.

I suspect, from the tone, that Greg was joking about the cheese.

Todd Jensen

Here you go, Todd:

http://s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=3295

Greg Bishansky
Demona likes Buffalo Wings.

What I was most puzzled by was - when did Greg reveal that Mab likes cheese? Was it in "Ask Greg" or at one of the Gatherings?
Todd Jensen

How can you NOT like cheese? It is the greatest food ever created/invented! There is nothing better than cheese! I would die a happy man if I had nothing but cheese to eat! (Well, maybe not, but you get what I mean.)
Battle Beast - [Canada]
I have started a movie challenge whereby I am wtching all 475 Best Picture nominees and winners in 365 days. I am on Day #52 and movie #62... wish me luck!

I don't care much for cheese. Actually, it's the main reason why I don't like pizza.
Paul - [nampahcfluap at yahoo dot com]

TODD> Doesn't everyone?
Algernon

Mab likes cheese?
Todd Jensen

Don't fret, Wingless:) I thought it was interesting:)
Jade Griffin
"Get yer jammies, Ralph!" -Bill Maxwell (played by Robert Culp), "The Greatest American Hero" -- You sure did, sir; you sure did...

LANDON> I think Greg would keep us in the loop if that was the case.
Greg Bishansky
Demona likes Buffalo Wings.

"The comic is officially over for now, but I haven't given up on bringing it back."

So does that mean SLG is no longer interested? I wonder if the 'ultimate edition' Vado mentioned is kaput as well.

Landon Thomas - [<- Gargoyles News Twitter Feed]

Greg B> Of course. I wouldn't recommend the airings of Season 1 or the first half of Season 2 over the DVDs.

The second half of Season 2, on the other hand...yeah. Suffice it to say, ice should start watching on...July 3rd, if my math is correct. And the correct ended version of Vows should be airing on June 8th.

Brainiac - [OSUBrainiac at gmail dot com]
There is balance in all things. Live in symmetry with the world around you. If you must blow things up and steal from those around you, THAT'S WHAT RPGS ARE FOR!

Yeah, but we should also encourage ice to buy the DVD's that are out. Disney XD's airings are chopped up for content.
Greg Bishansky
Demona likes Buffalo Wings.

ice> Don't sweat it. People always worry about Gargoyles stopping its DisneyXD run, but it hasn't happened yet. Angels in the Night, the TGC finale, will run on May 8th. The week after, the showings return to the beginning as they always do. May 11th through May 15th will be all of Awakening.
Brainiac - [OSUBrainiac at gmail dot com]
There is balance in all things. Live in symmetry with the world around you. If you must blow things up and steal from those around you, THAT'S WHAT RPGS ARE FOR!

Well, if all else fails, there's always Demona's cup size.

Or, I could just share a short drabble I wrote a while back.

So, the question occasionally gets asked, what does Demona enjoy that humanity has created. Surely there must be something. This takes place sometime after "Rhapsody" but is definitely, definitely, definitely not canon to it. Or is it?

***

"Guilty Pleasures"

How long had she been imprisoned in this cell? Even she stopped keeping up. The nights turned into weeks; the weeks into months; the months into years. The only contact she ever received was Owen Burnett delivering her meals.

Angela had not come to see her. Not since her first night here. But Demona resigned herself to that. She knew the moment her daughter said the words "good-bye" that it was indeed final.

Demona sighed bitterly, she held no regrets. If she had it to do all over again, she wouldn't hesitate. The signing of the Gargoyle Minority Protection Act was a sham. She was able to follow the news close enough to see that. It was only a matter of time. If Angela didn't release her, the clan leader that followed her would, and she would lead them all on the path to survival, and then domination.

She was suddenly pulled from her daydream by the familiar sound of the heavy vault-like doors opening, followed by the familiar sound of Owen Burnett's footsteps as he approached her cell, carrying a covered tray. Tonight's meal.

Owen inserted the tray through a slot in the transparent aluminum that contained her. "I believe you will enjoy tonight's dessert," his lips cracked a slight smile betraying his true nature. "Tomorrow's dessert is pudding."

The gargoyle's eyes burned red as he turned and left her. Once the doors to the dungeons shut behind him, she grabbed the tray off the floor, and sat down upon the lounge sofa which, she guessed, was Alex Xanatos' idea of affording her some comfort.

Removing the lid, Demona snarled in disgust at the sight of the dessert. A slice of chocolate cake. At least once a month he did this, knowing full well that she detested the taste of chocolate. There was a joke there that she was not in on, there had to be.

However, she smiled at tonight's appetizer. Her all time favorite. Buffalo wings. She licked her lips as she prepared to enjoy her meal.

The End.

***

Yes, Demona likes Buffalo wings. If you want to know where this came from.

http://gregx.livejournal.com/717619.html

Don't ask. LOL

I think Greg also confirmed that Mab likes cheese. Hmm, if Mab brings the bleu cheese, and Demona brings they can be best friends... and kill everyone together.

Greg Bishansky
Demona likes Buffalo Wings.

I thihnk I got the point lound & clear.
Wingless

ICE> Did you buy the two DVD sets we have out? How about the comics? They're available in three graphic novels written by Greg Weisman.

As for "The Goliath Chronicles" well, you heard right, they are horrible.

Greg Bishansky
"Personally, when it comes to rights, I believe we have unlimited rights or no rights at all. Personally, I lean towards unlimited. I feel I have the right to do anything I please. But, if I do something you don't like, I think you have the right to kill me. Where will you find a fairer deal than that?

I see the Goliath Chronicles on there, but, I've heard to many horror stories about them...
ice

I haven't been so sad in quite awhile... I fear Gargoyles re-runs have finally been taken off of Disney XD. I feared this would happen. Luckily I've put a bunch on DVD now, hope to put what I got left on DVR on DVD. Already got season 2 first half on DVD, Gotta get season 1 soon. This show became a major part of my life when I re-discovered it 2007. It was because I just happened to stay up really late one night, and just happened to notice the episode "Reawakening" was on, so I decided to set it up on DVR.
ice

I think that the best way to make certain that your posts don't kill the room is to make certain that they contain things that people can respond to; if it's just an interesting piece of trivia, people might not feel like commenting on that.
Todd Jensen

Geez, I know how to kill a room.
*Fades out*

Wingless

Here's an interesting tidbit. Being a TV nostalgia nut, I just got the 1975 Filmation series "The Secrets Of Isis" on DVD. It's now out of print, but it's something I grew up with, so I wanted to have it. Checking out the commentaries -here's one from Michael Reaves!
He started working there in 1975. They had 2 live action series happening at the time Shazam! and The Secrets of Isis. Reaves ended up writing at least one script for both - but his very first script was for Isis. "Isis Meets Bigfoot". He explains in the commentary that when he pitched the idea - rather than just accepting the rough idea and hand it to someone that could clean it up in a hurry they brought Reaves in and had him complete the scrip for the show. That's how he got into the writers guild and got his start-with a low budget live action Filmation series. He went back the folliowing year, but they weren't doing the live action shows anymore, so they suggested he try writing for animation - which is when he wrote for "Space Sentinals" - and that sparked his interest for writing for animation.
Reaves goes on to say he worked as a freelancer for Filmation on shows like Tarzan, Blackstar, & He Man-among others.

Thought you might be interested - might be worth adding to the Wiki

Wingless

@Jurgan: "Personally, I'd like to see a ceremony that mixes elements of gargoyle and human tradition."

I wonder if Demona's pledge to Goliath in "Vows" would count as this?

Of course, we all know how that relationship turned out, so I wouldn't be surprised if Goliath were to be averse to a similar pledge, even to Elisa.

Paul - [nampahcfluap at yahoo dot com]

JURGAN> Well, Greg did use the term "commitment ceremony" and not wedding, so we'll see. As for the issue of children, well, I tend to think Elisa is going to be a mother to Nashville, Tachi, Artus, Gwenyvere, etc. She is a part of the clan, human or not.

We'll see what happens with the child she raises with Goliath.

Greg Bishansky
"Personally, when it comes to rights, I believe we have unlimited rights or no rights at all. Personally, I lean towards unlimited. I feel I have the right to do anything I please. But, if I do something you don't like, I think you have the right to kill me. Where will you find a fairer deal than that?

"Goliath and Elisa are never getting married. But they will have a commitment ceremony down the line. Gargoyles don't have weddings like humans do."

Last I checked, Elisa wasn't a gargoyle. Doesn't she get a say in what they do? What if Elisa wants a formal human wedding- wouldn't Goliath be willing to do that for her?

It's all well and good to remember that gargoyles are different than humans, but when we're talking about G/E, we need to remember that there are two cultures involved. Personally, I'd like to see a ceremony that mixes elements of gargoyle and human tradition. It's called syncretism- two cultures coming together to form something unique and new.

The same is true of children- the other gargoyles will raise their children communally, but Elisa may want to have a child that is "hers." Human children (at least in the United States) are raised first and foremost by their parents- it's the human way. We don't know Elisa's thoughts on the matter specifically, but I don't think she'll cede her entire heritage to live like a gargoyle.

Jurgan - [jurgan6 at yahoo dot com]

Heck, it took'em two seasons just to get as far as a first kiss.
Algernon

Alyca> Goliath and Elisa are never getting married. But they will have a commitment ceremony down the line. Gargoyles don't have weddings like humans do. I doubt it would be at the end of what would have been the third season. It's way too soon.
Greg Bishansky
"Personally, when it comes to rights, I believe we have unlimited rights or no rights at all. Personally, I lean towards unlimited. I feel I have the right to do anything I please. But, if I do something you don't like, I think you have the right to kill me. Where will you find a fairer deal than that?

I e & g r married @ the end of S3?
alycia - [lowrya2 at student dot ednet dot ns dot ca]
Alycia Vaughn Lowry

The Spectacular Spider-Man DVD volume 8 is out today! http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0037FFBPO It contains the series finale, episodes 24-26.
Landon Thomas - [<- Gargoyles News Twitter Feed]

Hudson's sword has turned to stone from time to time. As mentioned, it all depends on his mindset. And maybe down the road Yama's uniform will start to turn to stone. It would be an indication that he has accepted his membership in the Redemption Squad to be something he accepts and really wants.
Matt - [ewoks11 at hotmail dot com]

Alllllll righty then.
Battle Beast - [Canada]
I have started a movie challenge whereby I am wtching all 475 Best Picture nominees and winners in 365 days. I am on Day #48 and movie #58... wish me luck!

Daniel> "Anyway, I had thought about the weapons as well, but you'll remember that Hudson's sword doesn't change to stone at night either. I'm guessing that weapons aren't effected by the humility spell. Maybe they just aren't personal enough. Maybe the spell is limited to cloth-like material."

I'm pretty sure it depends on how Hudson feels about the sword as stone sleep kicks in.

Harlan Phoenix

Chip: Thanks for the info. I never noticed that Yama's uniform changed. Also, good to know about the Humility spell. The bars do make sense now to, considering how often Sevarius has been working with mutates and clones.

Samuel: I sure hope that they take the uniform off before sunset. Otherwise it'll get torn fairly badly. ;)

Anyway, I had thought about the weapons as well, but you'll remember that Hudson's sword doesn't change to stone at night either. I'm guessing that weapons aren't effected by the humility spell. Maybe they just aren't personal enough. Maybe the spell is limited to cloth-like material.

I mean, it can't be just anything that a Gargoyle considers his own, otherwise I can imagine Elisa turning to stone if Goliath is kissing her when the sun rises. (once they are married) I know, I know, it's silly and doesn't make sense at all and would never happen, but I just can't get that image out of my mind. XD

Daniel
"Weeping may endure for a night, but joy cometh in the morning." (Psalms 30:5)

Hum. I never noticed that Yama's clothes didn't turn to stone with him on the raft. I did notice when he had them folded out on the bed, though. I wonder if when he wakes up from this stone sleep that he'll only be wearing the sumo-looking piece he was wearing in the hotel. Even if he doesn't consider the clothes his, the weapons should have turned to stone, shouldn't they? They were his before he joined the Redemption Squad. Thoughts?
Samuel
Now, now. Language...

Todd> Well, yeah.

Quite frankly I'm surprised he realizes that link exists. He seems very distant from reality as is.

Harlan Phoenix

I think he's making the remarks here because of Greg Weisman's link to "The Spectacular Spider-Man".
Todd Jensen

Mark>You're not that bright, are you chump?
Harlan Phoenix

Wow. I already had zero respect for this kid, now his score is negative. He keeps this up, he might create a black hole or something (which will only be powerful enough to consume him, if we're lucky).

Mark, aka Shitstain, which is now your new name with me: Just FYI, you are aware that Greg Weisman doesn't make any of the decisions about whether or not a show stays on the air. Those kinds of decisions are made by Disney executives. Were I you, I might want to take back what I said. I'm pretty sure Greg could legally file charges against you if he wished.

Harvester of Eyes
"Truly, you do not understand the depth of the pain you are inviting." -Akimi ("Shadowrun")

Wow... Death threats... That accomplishes a lot... *rolls eyes and ignores the troll*
The One Known As Mochi - [shogi dot keima dot 08 at gmail dot com]
Current Mood: (>T.T)> I hate being sick...

Just so everyone knows, this troll is another one of Peter LeBrun/Spideyforever/Merc With a Mouth's alias.

I encountered him recently on a Spider-Man wiki where he made some very anti-semitic comments about Greg Weisman also.

Here's his IP: 74.110.21.251 if anyone wants to take action.

Greg Bishansky
"Personally, when it comes to rights, I believe we have unlimited rights or no rights at all. Personally, I lean towards unlimited. I feel I have the right to do anything I please. But, if I do something you don't like, I think you have the right to kill me. Where will you find a fairer deal than that?

And why are trolls posting here on a Gargoyles fan board instead of somewhere where the Sony and Disney executives who made these decisions hang out? Don't know who the "you" is that this idiot is referring to. None of us had any control over the fate of Spectacular Spider-Man. Troll fail.
Patrick
"A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men." - Willy Wonka

Great, the trolls have graduated to death threats now. They'll be learning to count next.
Algernon

Just why the hell did you have to cancel the third season of the spectacular spiderman when it had cliffhangers that were not dealt with?

You are nothing but a fucking asshole because you can't seem to understand how your fans feel!

You better make sure that Ultimate Spiderman series continues from where the last one left off or you're dead!

Mark Marino - [markmarino39 at yahoo dot com]
Mark Marino

Hmmm, no Mecha-Nation #1 in this week's Diamond lists:

http://www.diamondcomics.com/shipping/newreleases.txt
http://www.diamondcomics.com/shipping/upcomingreleases.txt

Retailers and a couple of articles put the release at April 28, but I don't know if Ape ever confirmed it.

Landon Thomas - [<- Gargoyles News Twitter Feed]

And bars can be made too strong for gargoyles to break, if I'm remembering "Outfoxed" correctly.
Paul - [nampahcfluap at yahoo dot com]

Sorry for the double Post, Daniel> Fang is probably not actively seeking redemption right now, but in time, who knows? That could change. Finally, yes Yama's clothes did not turn to stone. The Humility Spell affected ALL gargoyles, even Japanese ones. The Spell didn't change Yama's clothes because he does not consider his Redemption Squad Uniform to truly be his, or a part of him. Most likely because he has been forced into it.
Chip - [Sir_Griff723 at yahoo dot com]
"I've got friends on the other side"--Dr. Facilier

Daniel> He tried to, right before he asked Sevarius which human and which gargoyle's DNA he was using in the mutagen. Look carefully. Anton has enough experience with gargoyles to know how to build bars that are too strong for them to break.
Chip - [Sir_Griff723 at yahoo dot com]
"I've got friends on the other side"--Dr. Facilier

A few quick questions from the Bad Guys comic to start off the new week that's always bothered me...

Why didn't Yama just bend the bars and break out when Sevarius captured him? I think it's been established that gargoyles have the strength to bend those metal bars if they aren't coursing with electricity, and the ones in Sevarius' lab weren't - we see Yama holding onto them. Was he still to weak from the sedative?

Also, one thing that bothered me a tiny bit at the very end - I never really bought that Fang was also looking for redemption. He seems to be more of just going along for the ride. He might deep down want to change, but he sure has a hard way showing it.

Lastly, was it just me or did Yama's clothes not change to stone with him on the last page? Now that I look back, though, he did take his clothes and weapons off back at the hotel, so maybe he just doesn't consider them his, or the humility spell was never cast on the Japanese gargoyles?

Daniel
"Weeping may endure for a night, but joy cometh in the morning." (Psalms 30:5)

I'll finish it out with number 10
Phil - [p1anderson at go dot com]

9TH!!!

And Zero-eth? Weird.

Matt - [ewoks11 at hotmail dot com]

8th!
Algernon

Well, 7th, and -1st.
Jurgan - [jurgan6 at yahoo dot com]

6th
VickyUK - [vickyfanofwwe at aol dot com]

FIFTH!

Daniel -- its just a way to start the new week out . . . The Top Ten has been happening since before there was a CR Archive d:

Phoenician
"The suspense is terrible, I hope it lasts" -- Willy Wonka

Four

Yay for obtaining the *now* elusive PS3s.

Warcrafter - [grafixfangamer1 at sbcglobal dot net]
VAMPIRES DON'T SPARKLE!!!

Third!!
The One Known As Mochi - [shogi dot keima dot 08 at gmail dot com]
Current Mood: (>T.T)> I hate being sick...

SECOND!
Greg Bishansky
"Personally, when it comes to rights, I believe we have unlimited rights or no rights at all. Personally, I lean towards unlimited. I feel I have the right to do anything I please. But, if I do something you don't like, I think you have the right to kill me. Where will you find a fairer deal than that?

Even though this seems silly and stupid, I can't help myself....first.
Daniel
"Weeping may endure for a night, but joy cometh in the morning." (Psalms 30:5)