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Comments for the week ending May 3, 2004
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Siren: Loved Coldmachines and Beloved Monster!
I'll Have to show you my Xanatos-Machine video when its done.
CKayote - [CKayote@worldnet.att.net]
Orlando, FL
Sunday, May 2, 2004 11:56:39 PM
IP: 65.244.171.25
*delurks*
Indeed, awesome videos Siren! I really enjoyed your Bronx video and thought the soundtrack was a perfect choice. I don't have the best of quality video tapes either, so video quality doesn't matter to me. I thought they were well-produced.
*Sigh* Now if only I could get my lazy self to finish my two videos in progress.... ;-)
Jim R. - [jim@dialwforwarp.com]
Sunday, May 2, 2004 11:36:55 PM
IP: 65.41.56.105
VASH - Even odder, Tintagel, which was Gorlois's castle in legend, was (according to Greg Weisman) the real-life model for Castle Wyvern.
Todd Jensen
St. Louis, MO
Sunday, May 2, 2004 06:34:08 PM
IP: 63.186.0.190
Regarding Bids for the 2005 Gathering of the Gargoyles:
Click my name for an example of a bid website. This oe is the exact website that was made for the 2001 bid in Los Angeles. Come Tuesday, we will have another mock up to post on our website to vary your ideas and to show you what you can do. We don't expect a copy of the bid websites presented! Use your imagination, but give us the info. Send the link to your bid website to the email address below!
Thank you for your interest in hosting the Gathering!
Kanthara - [conchair@gatheringofthegargoyles.com]
Sunday, May 2, 2004 05:26:26 PM
IP: 69.70.111.182
Siren> Nice work. The "Last Unicorn" one brought me to tears, but then that movie always does.
re: Gorlois> considering that Atlantis sunk long before Gorlois was born, I take it that the man was named after the species, rather than the other way around. Though for the word to have survived that long, other gargs must have continued to use it. Strange that they kept the name, when their species doesn't use names at all. I wonder if Arthur used to call them "gorlois", and had Elisa correct him when they were on Avalon.
Vash
Sunday, May 2, 2004 05:06:11 PM
IP: 129.98.125.57
The Gathering -- Is there any place to look at previous "BIDS" for holding the convention. I'm kind of curious what they look like. I'm kind of chewing on the idea of 2005, but I want to see what was offered in previous bids and such. I've worked conventions before, but never one where bids were made to have it.
Looking for INFO
Mooncat
Mooncat
Sunday, May 2, 2004 04:38:28 PM
IP: 68.102.17.133
Thanks BB! Some of the episodes aren't the best of quality, but just don't play them full screen and you get out of pixel hell. There will be more. I am currently making a couple right now. Most of them are about Demona. Several songs have just screamed Demona, but it will be in different point of views at least, lol.
Siren
Sunday, May 2, 2004 12:28:32 AM
IP: 65.33.112.117
SIREN> GREAT VIDEOS!! I loved both the Gargoyles ones (The first two), but I haven't had a chance to look at the Last Unicorn one.
Keep up the good work!!
That is all I will say.
Battle Beast
CANADASunday, May 2, 2004 12:06:37 AM
IP: 142.59.132.116
*grumbles*
OK, NOW click my name!!!
Siren
Saturday, May 1, 2004 09:42:46 PM
IP: 65.33.112.117
I finally did it! I finally made it! I finally got it finished! Click my name to see my music video site, featuring a few Garg vids, with many more to come :)
And I know the files are big, I'm still trying to work on that. I pray most of you have cable :P
Siren
Saturday, May 1, 2004 09:41:53 PM
IP: 65.33.112.117
Paul> Nimue and Morgana were exchanged at birth (hence the term "change-ling"). Morgana (a fay) was raised by Gorlois and his wife, while Nimue was raised by a Child of Oberon. Presumably, Nimue learned magic from her adoptive parent(s).
Btw, has anyone figured out yet what relation Gorlois had with gargoyles?
Vash
Saturday, May 1, 2004 08:54:17 PM
IP: 129.98.31.102
Galvatron, if I read Todd's post correctly, Nimue was human, so how can the magical items she makes be allowed on Avalon? Or is she part Fay?
Also, don't discount Merlin so quick, we don't know when exactly the iron knights were made.
Paul Cousins
GA, USA
Saturday, May 1, 2004 06:30:34 PM
IP: 68.220.1.71
Todd Jensen- Finally you see. :)
Paul Cousins-
"but since Morgan le Fay was human,"
She isn't human so the condition doesn't apply.
" wouldn't any magical items she created (like the iron knights) NOT be allowed on Avalon;"
No human magicks allowed on the island unless they're part of your being like the archmage however there isn't a law against stuff created by avalon's magicks such as the knights or the gate or the eye.
" 'All magics banned, save for Avalon's own'. I mean this is the reason why the Archmage had to eat the Grimorum to begin it onto Avalon within him. "
Yes we realize that however the Knights were powered by Avalon's own magic from the very beginning.
"Merlin might be the one who made the iron knights because he was half Fay and half human, and his magic would affect iron but still be part Fay magic and the items he creates would still be allowed on Avalon. "
Merlin was still stuck in the Crystal Cave somewhere so he can't be doing any manipulation duing the time after the battle of camlann. Only candidates were Nimue, Lady of the Lake and Morgan and two of them can't do magic with Iron so it's Nimue.
Galvatron
Saturday, May 1, 2004 03:01:58 PM
IP: 144.92.184.94
Todd Jensen, but since Morgan le Fay was human, wouldn't any magical items she created (like the iron knights) NOT be allowed on Avalon; 'All magics banned, save for Avalon's own'. I mean this is the reason why the Archmage had to eat the Grimorum to begin it onto Avalon within him.
Merlin might be the one who made the iron knights because he was half Fay and half human, and his magic would affect iron but still be part Fay magic and the items he creates would still be allowed on Avalon.
Paul Cousins
GA, USA
Saturday, May 1, 2004 10:44:43 AM
IP: 68.220.1.71
Greg hasn't said who made the iron knights yet, but I think that Nimue had something to do with it. She was one of the three women who took Arthur away to Avalon (the other two being Morgan le Fay and the Lady of the Lake) and unlike the other two, she was a human by birth, which means that she could magically affect iron, which none of the Third Race can do. Process of elimination, really.
Todd Jensen
St. Louis, MO
Saturday, May 1, 2004 06:50:52 AM
IP: 63.186.1.40
Galvatron, which three are you talking about? The Wierd Sisters? Or the Trio? And what about them?
Paul Cousins
GA, USA
Friday, April 30, 2004 11:53:38 PM
IP: 68.220.1.71
Wow looks like I was right all along about the identities of the Three. Pity it only took two years for it to be proven. :)
Has Greg said anything regarding who made the iron knights yet?
Todd Jensen writes...
You mentioned once that the rookery riddle about Excalibur Griff recites in "Pendragon" was taught his clan by "the three". A few people have claimed that "the three" are Morgan le Fay, Nimue, and the Lady of the Lake; my own response was that we don't know as yet who "the three" are; that title isn't specific enough. What are your thoughts on this issue?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Greg responds...
Well, I'm sure I was being intentionally vague. But in fact you just named the three I was talking about, and I guess I'm feeling generous, because I'm copping to it.
recorded on 04-30-04
Galvatron
Friday, April 30, 2004 11:04:03 PM
IP: 144.92.96.37
Vash - Because they're the biggest part of the backlog right now.
DPH
AR, usa
Friday, April 30, 2004 06:36:18 PM
IP: 67.14.195.44
98 days left until The Gathering 2004 in Montreal, Quebec!
Today is the LAST DAY to pre-register for The Gathering 2004 before prices go up.
http://www.gatheringofthegargoyles.com/
Patrick
Friday, April 30, 2004 12:45:34 PM
IP: 66.93.14.153
Here's something interesting I just learned, there's a French folktale about "Reynard the Fox". Of course I'm probably the only one here who didn't know about it. :)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reynard
james_anatidae - [parshallNOSPAM@citcom.net]
Friday, April 30, 2004 11:05:13 AM
IP: 207.144.84.168
VASH - In my case, the biggest reason why I'd like to see Greg Weisman getting through the Gathering reports is that they're the longest questions in the queue and, once they're removed from it, the queue won't take as much time to load. Though, as you said, they also don't provoke much in the way of answers from him, which is, I think, something of a pity. I'd certainly like to see more answers that could provide new information (although I can understand why Greg doesn't do much with that, since he doesn't want to give away too much at this point and possibly spoil the surprises if "Gargoyles" ever starts getting made again).
Todd Jensen
St. Louis, MO
Friday, April 30, 2004 07:06:50 AM
IP: 63.186.0.74
Wow, this has been a slow month. Never before have I been stuck with only 2 articles to post. =P
DPH> Out of curiousity, why are you so interested in Greg getting through the Gathering journals? These tend to be the posts with the fewest comments from Greg, much like the rambles, he tends to just leave a word of thanks or mention being in agreement with what is said. Unless you're happy he's getting through them because they tend to be long, and getting them out of the queue will shorten it a bit. =P
Now that the T-shirt and anthology contests are out of the way, I wonder what other contests the con staff are planning? (other than the music video one, of course).
Vash
Friday, April 30, 2004 02:16:21 AM
IP: 129.98.31.102
We're down to the double digits now...
99 days left until The Gathering 2004 in Montreal, Quebec!
We've also reached the end of another month. And tomorrow is the LAST DAY to pre-register for The Gathering 2004 before the prices increase.
http://www.gatheringofthegargoyles.com/
Or click on my name for the link!
Patrick
Thursday, April 29, 2004 10:21:28 PM
IP: 65.43.163.146
Stephen, my condolences.
On another subject, has anyone else seen those Van Helsing movie trailers? Those teal skinned vampires with wings and claws look like Demona having a bad day.
Maybe the makers of the movie are fans of the Gargoyles series.
Paul Cousins
GA, USA
Thursday, April 29, 2004 09:18:08 PM
IP: 68.220.1.71
Denis>Yeah, the Zombie video was a lot fun to make. I just finished another today. My Beloved Monster by the Eels. You all will remember it from the part in Shrek when Fiona and Shrek made the frog and snake balloons :P
My host was being a umm....!@#$$%^*...But we are getting things smoothed out. In 24-72 hours, I OUGHT to be up and running *rolls eyes*
If for nothing else, by then, I'll have several more videos done.
Siren
Thursday, April 29, 2004 06:55:49 PM
IP: 65.33.112.117
Vertigo - Thanks, and thanks again to everyone for your condolences and further well wishes.
The funeral is just hours away... I hate events like this, since the only other one I attended was the one for my father...
I was asked to recite my poem for my grandmother at the funeral today. Hope I don't choke up or flub it.
Take care all... Maintain and Check Six!
Stephen R. Sobotka Jr.
Tampa, FL, USA
Thursday, April 29, 2004 11:04:38 AM
IP: 24.164.32.253
Denis, if you don't want to mix sounds and just want to add music to a edited video to make a music video, I suggest you check out virtualdub.org
If is a free, non-spyware program, that I use a lot. There are serveral 'favors' of it. And there is learning curve to using it, but once you get the hang of it, Virtualdub is very fun to use.
Paul Cousins
GA, USA
Thursday, April 29, 2004 05:26:02 AM
IP: 68.220.1.71
Stephen: Nice job on the poem. :)
Vertigo1
TN, USA
Wednesday, April 28, 2004 09:53:06 PM
IP: 207.65.59.155
Hello!
Patrick: did you get my reply to your email? basically, it said that my father sent the form and postal money order to the canadian adress (I'm at work, and finishes after the post offices close, here)
I scanned the recipe of the money order and a xerox of the form.
Siren: a Gargoyle AMV with Rob Zombie song? SWEET! I can't wait to see it!
Wished I had the opportunity to make a video for the contest this year, but lack of time and the material to do so won't allow me (tried to use Windows Movie Maker, but I don't have enough RAM)
I had in mind a video featuring Fox, with the song "Path part 2" by Appocalyptica, and clips of Avalon part 3 and Pandragon on the song "Emerald Sword" by Rhapsody
Denis - [d.deplaen@lft.be]
Wednesday, April 28, 2004 05:59:06 PM
IP: 81.242.208.148
Todd - thanks for explaining how the events from Avalon Part 1 connect to the events of City of Stone. I always get confused. Now, I just got to make a note to save your text so whenever I get confused, I can look it up.
8 more questions until the 1st Gathering 2002 Journal pops up.
Kudos to Greg Weisman for his patient answers to some of the more recent questions.
DPH
ar, usa
Wednesday, April 28, 2004 04:53:47 PM
IP: 161.31.104.148
3 days left before Gathering 2004 pre-registration prices increase.
100 days left until The Gathering 2004 in Montreal, Quebec!
Patrick
Wednesday, April 28, 2004 06:58:21 AM
IP: 65.43.163.146
*peeks in to link drop*
For anyone that didn't know, MGC has teamed up with the Gathering and made our contest for the month 'Design the Con T-Shirt'. There's still a few days left to enter if you want a chance to be immortalized in cotton for 2004. ^_^ Also, voting will open on the 1st (though the MGC winner will not neccesarily be chosen by the con staff).
kess - [< MGC/Gathering '04 t-shirt contest]
Tuesday, April 27, 2004 10:45:48 AM
IP: 205.185.226.116
To everyone, thank you for your condolences...
Funeral services for my grandmother - Norma J. Edwards - will be held this thursday at Bayshore Methodist Church at 1pm EST. She will be intered at Garden of Memories cemetery thereafter.
IT's been hectic so far... we've got the entire gathering of those family members that could attend in her house. Some have gone around to start sorting out her possessions - for those that they want to keep, and the rest to be donated to goodwill - and it's somewhat of a pain, since one family friend has been making comments that a lot of grandma's stuff is "junk"... <growl>
In any case, in the middle of all of this, I wrote a poem as a memorial for my grandmother. I'm hoping I can read it at the funeral in her honor. For anyone interested, you can read it here at my DA account:
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/6827887/
Thanks again for everyone's prayers and well wishes.
Stephen R. Sobotka Jr. - [ssobotka33616_AT_yahoo.com]
Tampa, FL, USA
Tuesday, April 27, 2004 10:06:21 AM
IP: 24.164.32.253
There are just 4 days left before Gathering 2004 pre-registration prices increase. Register online or get your mail-in registration postmarked by April 30, 2004!
101 days left until The Gathering 2004 in Montreal, Quebec!
Patrick
Tuesday, April 27, 2004 07:00:43 AM
IP: 65.43.163.146
My condolences, Stephen.
I am just ironing out the details of my new web page and hopefully within the week, it will be up. Right now, I have two Gargoyle videos, but I plan at least 6 more.
The ones done and ready are
Super Beast by Rob Zombie...all about Bronx
Cold Machines by Alice Cooper...featuring Cold Trio, The Pack, and The Steel Clan.
I just finished SuperBeast which was a 3 day project and my hardest one yet. I want to get at least one more done by the end of the week. Once I got the page up, you all will be the first to know :)
Siren
Monday, April 26, 2004 11:32:25 PM
IP: 65.33.112.117
MATT - According to the research that I did, Bodhe was a son of Kenneth III. (This raises the question of why Duncan didn't go after Bodhe; my personal suspicion is that Duncan realized that Bodhe was too much of a spineless coward to pose a threat to him and left him alone. Greg Weisman has hinted at "Ask Greg", however, that Gillecomgain had - some time before killing Findlaech in 1020 - done away with a son of Bodhe's and brother of Gruoch's known only as MacBodhe - presumably at Duncan's request.)
Todd Jensen
St. Louis, MO
Monday, April 26, 2004 06:58:08 PM
IP: 4.245.19.197
Todd Jensen, here is the twist though, from the first scene Duncan is shown to the scene where he holding the Hunter's mask in one hand and his bady son in the other, the Weird Sisters are there hiding as his servants for around a decade's time. Taking that into question, it now becomes a question as to how much influnce did the Weird Sisters give Duncan (whether he knew is or not) to single out Macbeth and his father for attack so that they could keep their promise to the Archmage and create a situation where Demona would become immortal.
On a side note, after watching Gargoyles, I could never really get into that show Charmed, those three always seemed like watered down versions of the Weird Sisters.
Paul Cousins
GA, USA
Monday, April 26, 2004 01:53:38 PM
IP: 68.220.45.201
Todd> interesting stuff. i have a question for you though. is Bodhe Kenneth III's son or is Gruoch's mother also Kenneth's daughter?
matt
Monday, April 26, 2004 12:06:29 PM
IP: 207.230.48.7
My condolences, Stephen. May you find comfort in family and friends at this difficult time.
Ellen
Chicago
Monday, April 26, 2004 07:47:09 AM
IP: 64.12.116.144
With "City of Stone" airing in the last couple of days on ABC Family (I didn't see it, but that's because I don't have cable), I thought that I'd use this as an opportune moment to bring up a thought that I'd recently had about Gruoch's role, especially in "City of Stone Part Two".
First, a little historical background. After Constantine seized the throne in 995 ("Avalon Part One"), he was defeated and slain two years later by Kenneth III, who was the son of Duff (Kenneth II and Prince Malcolm's older brother), who then became king. Eight years later, in 1005, Maol Chalvim (Kenneth II's son who got a small role in "Avalon Part One"), who had earlier worked with Kenneth III in defeating Constantine, turned on him, killed him, and usurped the throne.
Kenneth had had descendants by this point, however, and one of these was Gruoch, who was his granddaughter. This meant that Gruoch, technically, had a better claim to the Scottish throne than Maol Chalvim, by being the direct descendant of Kenneth III, whom Maol Chalvim had stolen the throne from, or Duncan (Maol Chalvim's grandson and intended heir), who was not an usurper himself, but had inherited the crown from someone who was an usurper (meaning that his own legal right to it was doubtful). In terms of practicality, she would not pose a direct threat to Duncan's keeping the throne, since the Scottish nobility of the 11th century would be very unlikely to want a woman on the throne (only a hundred years later, the English nobility refused to accept a woman, Henry I's daughter Matilda, as queen in her own right, leading to a civil war between Matilda and her cousin Stephen over who was to rule England). However, her husband might be able to use Gruoch's ancestry as a possible weapon against Maol Chalvim and Duncan, going to war with them and overthrowing them on behalf of his wife. And it's certainly a possibility that would have occurred to Duncan, at the least.
With this in mind, it now becomes all the clearer why Duncan was so set on Gruoch marrying Gillecomgain rather than Macbeth. He was naturally afraid that Macbeth (whom he had already perceived as a threat) could be even more dangerous once married to Kenneth III's granddaughter (knowing Duncan, I doubt that it would have ever occurred to him that Macbeth's desire to wed Gruoch was based on love rather than on politics). So naturally he'd want to marry her off to a trusted henchman like Gillecomgain.
And this also sheds new light on Duncan's eagerness to get rid of Gillecomgain after the rift began between them. Because now that Gillecomgain is at odds with Duncan, he has the opportunity of using his marriage with Gruoch, who has a superior claim to the Scottish throne over Duncan, to overthrow his former master and seize the crown for himself. Duncan has, in fact, placed a sword in Gillecomgain's hand which Gillecomgain can use against Duncan. Hence it becomes all the more urgent for him to get rid of Gillecomgain, which he accomplishes by sending Macbeth against him. (The one drawback to Duncan's solution is that, with Gillecomgain dead, Macbeth is free to marry Gruoch, so that Duncan winds up with the very situation that he'd wanted to avoid - and he's clearly not the least bit happy about it as he observes the wedding, either.)
Todd Jensen
St. Louis, MO
Monday, April 26, 2004 07:23:41 AM
IP: 4.244.12.238
*darts in*
10TH!!!!
whew, just made it...
*darts off to bed now* g'night!
matt
Monday, April 26, 2004 06:23:39 AM
IP: 207.230.48.11
9th in the name of the Fay
Stephen, mookie big hugs! Sending your warm thoughts.
Mooncat
Mooncat
Monday, April 26, 2004 02:39:55 AM
IP: 68.102.17.133
you=your
Paul Cousin
GA, USA
Monday, April 26, 2004 02:34:00 AM
IP: 68.220.45.201
8th Sorry for you loss Stephen.
Paul Cousin
GA, USA
Monday, April 26, 2004 02:33:48 AM
IP: 68.220.45.201
7th!
Stephen, I'm so sorry to hear about your grandmother. :(
Leo
Monday, April 26, 2004 01:58:04 AM
IP: 68.231.241.236
sixth....
Sorry for your loss Stephen.
Sahyinepu
Houston, TX
Monday, April 26, 2004 12:40:17 AM
IP: 67.107.64.24
Sorry for the double-posting, my right pinkie finger is a bit trigger happy on the enter key. I'm really sorry to hear that Stephen. Just think of it this way, wherever she is, she's in a better place. I really hope you can pull through this.
Vertigo1
TN, USA
Monday, April 26, 2004 12:36:10 AM
IP: 207.65.59.147
5th!
Vertigo1
TN, USA
Monday, April 26, 2004 12:32:12 AM
IP: 207.65.59.147
4th... appropriate since considering the Japanese meaning for four.
It's over... my grangmother slipped away just shortly after midnight. My father and Great Grandmother hopefully met her at the gates of heaven.
God, this hurts so much...
Stephen R. Sobotka Jr.
Tampa, FL, USA
Monday, April 26, 2004 12:18:29 AM
IP: 24.164.32.253
3 -- Just passing by.
JJ Gregarius
Orlando, FL
Monday, April 26, 2004 12:14:20 AM
IP: 65.244.168.225
Top 10, #2
DPH
AR, USA
Monday, April 26, 2004 12:02:41 AM
IP: 67.14.195.43
1st!
My condolences, Stephen.
Alex Garg - [alex_garg@yahoo.com]
VA, USA
Monday, April 26, 2004 12:00:12 AM
IP: 216.145.68.130