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Comments for the week ending February 7, 2005

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I have a topic in mind but I'm afraid of it opening a can of worms.
Brian - [Shendu42@hotmail.com]
USASunday, February 6, 2005 10:56:45 PM
IP: 205.238.242.54

GANTROS> I don't think Greg even really has an interest in reading fanfiction. He has mixed feelings on it. On the one hand he's flattered and gratified that people love the series enough to invest a lot of time in it, on the other hand he's a little territorial also. Doesn't like seeing other people controlling the destiny of his characters. I think most fanfic writers can relate when it comes to their own original characters.

But for the most part, he feels that if it keeps the fans interested, then great.

Greg Bishansky
Sunday, February 6, 2005 10:43:27 PM
IP: 141.155.108.154

Demonskrye> No, I haven't been able to find a copy yet, it's sold out ever time I go to the store (Fry's Electronics).

On another subject, I've been toying with this idea for awhile now, and wanted to out and say it. We all know that Greg refuses to read any Fanfic so that he can't be sued for taking someone's idea if Gargoyles is ever brought back. I was thinking that someone could get a legal document written up, permitting Greg to read the works of the authors who sign the document without fear of legal action should he ever apply anything, regardless of how derivative, he reads to a future project, be it Gargoyle related or not. It could be signed by a notary to make it official. I figured it could be presented to him at some future Gathering or something. Is this a bad idea? Or am I asking something that should not be explored?
Gantros
Sunday, February 6, 2005 09:36:54 PM
IP: 24.20.243.55

Hmm i do wonder what gargoyle sweat would smell like...anyway we could have an interesting topic about video games, if any garf fan is into that.
dan
Sunday, February 6, 2005 08:43:54 PM
IP: 68.42.18.157

MATT - Yes, we probably need to come up with some better topics. Though that's the problem with a forum dedicated to a series that hasn't had a new episode for eight years. After that amount of time, you tend to analyze every episode to death. :)

Clancy Brown also did the voice of Mr. Freeze in "The Batman", although its adaptation of Mr. Freeze was a lot less interesting than the "Batman: TAS" version (except for the impact that he had on Batman).

Todd Jensen
St. Louis, MO
Sunday, February 6, 2005 07:07:41 PM
IP: 4.245.20.178

Gantros> Did you pick up Batman Volume 2 as well? I had pretty much the same experience watching "Heart of Steel". And of course, Lex Luthor sounds very much like a certain member of the Pack.
Demonskrye - [<---Jim Hill Media]
Sunday, February 6, 2005 03:11:59 PM
IP: 146.115.115.131

you know its a slow week in the Comment Room when the conversations going on are about spam and gargoyle sweat...
matt
O'Fallon, Mo
Sunday, February 6, 2005 03:00:49 PM
IP: 68.91.211.97

Brian >>Forget how much it would go for, what I want to know is what exactly does it do? If it can be used to whip up something to turn people into gargoyles then I'm game.:lol<<

But then, wouldn't you WANT to know how much it would go for? Unless they were willing to give it away for free, you'd have to know if you could afford it, right? :D

BrooksBabe - [belfour20_mccabe24@hotmail.com]
T.O., Canada
Sunday, February 6, 2005 02:17:24 PM
IP: 64.228.119.22

I was watching Superman:TAS DVD Volume 1, I was watching the episode "The Way With All Flesh", when I noticed that the "Young Doctor" sounded EXACTLY like Owen. I waited for the credits and confirmed that the Young Doctor was played by Jeff Glenn Bennett.
Gantros
Sunday, February 6, 2005 03:58:09 AM
IP: 24.20.243.55

Fantasy Authors>> I hear Piers Anthony being mentioned. Interesting.

I would like to add that Greg wouldn't necessarily need to find a big-name author for a talented, experienced collaborator. There's a lot of cool stuff below the radar in SF/Fantasy circles, IMHO.

JJ Gregarius
Tampa, FL
Sunday, February 6, 2005 12:40:01 AM
IP: 4.247.191.137

Forget how much it would go for, what I want to know is what exactly does it do? If it can be used to whip up something to turn people into gargoyles then I'm game.:lol
Brian - [Shendu42@hotmail.com]
USASunday, February 6, 2005 12:02:47 AM
IP: 209.74.41.183

Just something that need to be said...

ONLINE-POKER IS A F-ING RETARD!!!

Line this guy up next to Barney and the power rangers and arm everyone with shotguns.XD

Brian - [Shendu42@hotmail.com]
USASaturday, February 5, 2005 11:59:00 PM
IP: 209.74.41.183

Pheonyx: I got the one you sent to me while we were talking over AIM (on the third), but nothing after that.

Its unlikely that I'll be able to check for any further e-mails after I post this message since I'll be leaving for Nashville in just a few hours to catch a plane to LAX. He passed away the day after we talked. (For those not in the know, my grandfather had a quad bypass two weeks ago. Just after the operation was a success, he got a staff infection which made him very weak. Weak to the point where he needed to be on a respirator to survive. He passed away while he was under sedation.) I won't be getting back until next late Sunday at the earliest. If I do have net access, it will be quite limited for obvious reasons. I know that atleast a couple of you do live in California, but I'm honestly not really feeling up to meeting anyone right now.

Vertigo1
TN, USA
Saturday, February 5, 2005 09:53:38 PM
IP: 207.65.41.158

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Anonymous
Saturday, February 5, 2005 08:42:41 PM
IP: 135.214.150.125

Hehe... gargoyle sweat.

I wonder how much it would go for?

BrooksBabe - [belfour20_mccabe24@hotmail.com]
T.O., Canada
Saturday, February 5, 2005 08:15:19 PM
IP: 64.228.119.28

"Why's it so hot in here?" Angela asked.

"Don't touch that!" Broadway said as his mate reached for the thermostat. "I found a new way to raise some money. You'll never believe what the humans want to buy from us!"

Patrick
Saturday, February 5, 2005 08:01:27 PM
IP: 68.170.199.45

I don't know if anyone here besides me watches "W.I.T.C.H." on ABC Kids, but there was an interesting line in this morning's episode that I wanted to share. Blunk (the little green smuggler - though he prefers such terms as "discount importer" or "retailer") mentioned having a jar full of "gargoyle sweat".

I don't think that this was intended as a reference (though if a line like that were to show up in Season Two, I'd probably suspect otherwise), and gargoyles (living or otherwise) certainly are a natural for fantasy series in general, but I still think that it's fun to mention here.

Todd Jensen
St. Louis, MO
Saturday, February 5, 2005 06:56:50 PM
IP: 4.245.20.76

The other IP didn't resolve, that's true, but I think I traced it to japan......
Guandalug la'Fay
Saturday, February 5, 2005 04:51:17 PM
IP: 80.142.196.105

*pops in to yell at someone* Vertigo!!! man, I sent you an email and i don't think I sent it right. Let me know if you got something from me yesterday, kay!!!

Spam> You know, you might taste yummy cooked in a fried skillet with some mayo and mustard on toast.

Phoenyx
Memphis, TN
Saturday, February 5, 2005 02:38:58 PM
IP: 135.214.150.125

The other IP address didn't resolve.. so I don't know where the other one's from.. heh. :\
Patricia Lovelady
Montevallo, AL, USA
Saturday, February 5, 2005 02:35:47 PM
IP: 68.159.177.69

I don't think that's a program on anyone's computer...

IP Address 213.200.240.244 resolves to:
adsl-213-200-240-244.cybernet.ch

Unless we have someone here from Switzerland frequenting the room...

Patricia Lovelady - [sabre0link@hotmail.com]
Montevallo, AL, USA
Saturday, February 5, 2005 02:33:56 PM
IP: 68.159.177.69

*looks at spam*

[otard3640@yahoo.com]

LOL o*what*3640? XD

Leo
Saturday, February 5, 2005 12:02:17 PM
IP: 68.231.241.236

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online-poker - [otard3640@yahoo.com]
online-poker, online-poker, online-poker
Saturday, February 5, 2005 11:28:46 AM
IP: 213.200.240.244

http://www.lavasoftusa.com/ - Adaware
http://www.spybot.info/ - Spybot Search & Destroy

I suggest you run both on your system as one will find what the other won't, and vice versa.

Vertigo1
TN, USA
Saturday, February 5, 2005 10:39:45 AM
IP: 207.65.59.142

I run Norton Antivirus on all my computers, and my broadband router has a firewall. If you want to scan your computer for spyware, there's a free program out there called "Ad-Aware" that you can download and run. I don't have the link right now, but if you Yahoo or Google it, you can find it easily enough.

173 days left until The Gathering 2005 in Las Vegas, Nevada.

Patrick
Saturday, February 5, 2005 09:21:58 AM
IP: 66.93.14.153

Siren: Funny. I like it!

Chameleongirl: Sorry. I must of heard about someone else and got the names confused. My bad.

CKayote - [CKayote@worldnet.att.net]
Orlando, FL
Saturday, February 5, 2005 08:56:30 AM
IP: 64.192.79.181

CKayote> "I believe Piers Anthony passed away a little while back."

You had me scared there for a moment, but I'm fairly certain he's still alive. At least, I found no mention of it in a web serach, and his official website has this months newletter (written by Piers) up. If he were dead, I think it'd be mentioned there :)

Chameleongirl
Saturday, February 5, 2005 08:13:38 AM
IP: 202.87.162.31

i'm glad the sense of humour had come back to the comment room.
dan
Friday, February 4, 2005 11:53:44 PM
IP: 68.42.18.157

Matt> *grinz* Old joke, but I figured, what the hell? ;)
Siren
Friday, February 4, 2005 11:26:46 PM
IP: 65.33.112.90

very funny, Siren...
matt
O'Fallon, Mo
Friday, February 4, 2005 11:23:44 PM
IP: 68.91.211.97

ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US!

RESISTANCE IS FUTILE!

;)

SPAM-BOT
Friday, February 4, 2005 11:16:21 PM
IP: 65.33.112.90

*This may be concidered SPAM, so with the exception of Dan everyone should just ignore this posting.*
Now that, I think I can help you with. There was a promotional offer that I received after installing SP2 from cd from Microsoft and Computer Associates for a suite of computer security devices called eTrust EZArmor. After you install SP2 on the infected computer, the Security Center will pop up on the screen and tell you what is running and what is not, or a good chance something has not been installed. You will find the Antivirus section, and it may say it is not installed, and a link to see recommended software. Click on this and you'll be taken to the web page with the recommendations, and if you see EZArmor in that list, check it out. The offer I had was all subscriptions free for the first year and such-and-such amount for the next, though I can't tell you honestly if you would receive the same offer. But I can tell you that all in all, it hasn't let me down and will be worth every penny once it is time for me to pay for it.
There are viruses out there that will keep you from viewing Microsoft web pages, so if you are unable to view the page, chances are, the source of that problem is somewhere on that computer.

Brian - [Shendu42@hotmail.com]
USAFriday, February 4, 2005 11:12:53 PM
IP: 205.238.195.117

ugh, don't feel bad brian, i got 10 viruses on my other computer. I have to becarefull with this one, it's my mom's labtop. She'll bite my head off if this one get's infected. Sigh, there's so much trouble in computers, i don't know what the big deal is:(
Dan
Friday, February 4, 2005 06:52:02 PM
IP: 68.42.18.157

I'm a dummy sometimes when it comes to computers so I wouldn't know how to stop it by other means.
Brian - [Shendu42@hotmail.com]
USAFriday, February 4, 2005 01:55:13 PM
IP: 199.224.75.119

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Anonymous
Friday, February 4, 2005 12:56:17 PM
IP: 135.214.150.125

I believe Piers Anthony passed away a little while back.
CKayote - [CKayote@worldnet.att.net]
Orlando, FL
Friday, February 4, 2005 12:42:17 PM
IP: 64.192.79.181

JJ, a collaboration with Piers Anthony would be su-weet.
Matt Fews
Friday, February 4, 2005 10:33:26 AM
IP: 206.47.191.83

With a spambot, it's more likely that the program just surfs the web looking for pages that are text entry forms for message boards. In which case, changing the filename is not going to matter.

174 days left until The Gathering 2005 in Las Vegas, Nevada.

Patrick
Friday, February 4, 2005 06:46:52 AM
IP: 68.170.199.45

If that's the case then it had to have received it's instructions from someone who has visited here in the past. Changing something just a hair bit slightly can throw it off completely. Let's say, change the name of the input field, currently it's cmntadd.php, to cmmtadd.php, makes a big difference. Any computer would say that the file has been changed or moved or flat out doesn't exist simply by changing that 'n' to an 'm'. Of course that would mean the program's operator would have to come out of hiding, and look for the change. Keep changing it like that periodically and whoever it is will probably give up and bugger off.
One thing that hasn't gone unnoticed...
...Not quite as active now than it was in the past.
Anyway, click on my name to see what I came across tonite. No, you haven't slipped into a wormhole in time, although that would be nice...

Brian - [Shendu42@hotmail.com]
USAThursday, February 3, 2005 11:44:02 PM
IP: 199.224.75.224

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Anonymous
Thursday, February 3, 2005 08:04:01 PM
IP: 135.214.150.125

Ah, spambots. Those little things that are just so - Wait. What am I saying?

DEATH TO THE SPAMBOTS!!!!

*sigh* I really need to go punch something.

BrooksBabe
T.O, Canada
Thursday, February 3, 2005 05:35:52 PM
IP: 130.63.176.180

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Anonymous
Thursday, February 3, 2005 04:39:29 PM
IP: 135.214.150.125

Spambot>> "Online poker" is the result of a program designed to place spam on message boards.

New venues for Gargoyles>> As I have said before, my favorite venue would be novels. However, unless Greg has experience writing novels (I'll have to check his resume), I'd sincerely plead for him to collaborate with an experienced fantasy/SF author.

Can anyone think of some sort of trial project that could convince Disney and publishers that there is some money in a Gargoyles novel?

JJ Gregarius
Tampa, FL
Thursday, February 3, 2005 03:18:43 PM
IP: 4.247.131.73

I'm not familiar with spambots. What exactly does a spambot do?
Brian - [Shendu42@hotmail.com]
USAThursday, February 3, 2005 02:37:55 PM
IP: 205.238.242.211

Online Poker is most likely a spambot. A real person would have realized after the first attempt that this forum doesn't support inline clickable hyperlinks like forums such as ezboard do. So once a week we will get a little clutter. But that's okay. This time of year, a little kindling for the fire is nice to have.

175 days left until The Gathering 2005 in Las Vegas, Nevada.

Patrick
Thursday, February 3, 2005 06:57:09 AM
IP: 68.170.199.45

For now we should just write Online Poker off as a troll and move on until Gorebash has the patience to deal with it. I just hope his patience isn't in the least bit like mine. I don't know how many times I've threatened to throw this damn thing out the window concidering all the problems I've had with it this weekend.:lol
Brian - [Shendu42@hotmail.com]
USAWednesday, February 2, 2005 11:42:32 PM
IP: 199.224.75.125

"Brian, are you talking about Greg having a heart attack or him talking to the Disney execs?"
I was talking about Greg having a heart attack.:\

Brian - [Shendu42@hotmail.com]
USAWednesday, February 2, 2005 11:37:10 PM
IP: 199.224.75.125

Siren > Thanks! Have a great time at the con. You too CKayote! :-)

kathy
Wednesday, February 2, 2005 10:37:19 PM
IP: 66.82.9.19

DPH - Gorebash mentioned in his last blog that he was staying away from all things computerish while at home (apparently due to an overdose of working on the computer at work), which would probably keep him from being fully aware of the spammers at Station 8.
Todd Jensen
St. Louis, MO
Wednesday, February 2, 2005 07:10:11 PM
IP: 4.245.20.56

GargFan: I thought they were both one in the same?
Dan
Wednesday, February 2, 2005 06:59:41 PM
IP: 68.42.18.157

Take out an ad in the con program book to say how much I love "Gargoyles"? Eh... I think I've said all I need to on that topic by paying my pre-registration fee and coming to the con. I sure hope their trying to sell the ad space to brick and mortar businesses outside the fandom, too. I've never been to Vegas, and it would be nice to be able to spend my money at restaurants and shops that are Gargoyle-friendly. ;)

Pst... Online Poker is a nitwit. Pass it on.

176 days left until The Gathering 2005 in Las Vegas, Nevada.

Patrick
Wednesday, February 2, 2005 06:14:56 PM
IP: 68.170.199.45

Brian, are you talking about Greg having a heart attack or him talking to the Disney execs?
Lord GargFan
Wednesday, February 2, 2005 05:18:47 PM
IP: 24.11.252.213

I visit places on and use ezboard quite a bit. If the s8cr was moved onto that network, crud like this can be stopped at the push of a button.
Brian - [Shendu42@hotmail.com]
USAWednesday, February 2, 2005 04:41:00 PM
IP: 205.238.242.194

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I take it this is a weekly thing?

Brian - [Shendu42@hotmail.com]
USAWednesday, February 2, 2005 04:38:35 PM
IP: 205.238.242.194

I can't see any images in the spam myself, but maybe if I polish it a little.
Vinnie - [tpeano29@hotmail.com]
Marquette, Michigan, USA
Wednesday, February 2, 2005 02:32:14 PM
IP: 64.112.202.139

Is Gorebash aware of the spam problem in here?
DPH
AR, USA
Wednesday, February 2, 2005 01:38:22 PM
IP: 161.31.67.134

[Looks at the spam]

You know, if I stand far enough away from my monitor and stare at it long enough, I can almost make out an image. :-)

Leo
Wednesday, February 2, 2005 01:09:54 PM
IP: 68.231.241.236

Brian>If I hated you, believe me, you'd hear about it. Since that whole day I moved on. I never hated you. I was annoyed and aggrivated by you, but I never hated you.

Dan>Thanks! I'll be there Sunday. I'll try to catch the concert. :D

Siren
Wednesday, February 2, 2005 09:28:43 AM
IP: 24.173.175.46

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IP: 82.194.62.16

Siren: I believe the concert is on a sunday, um sorry can't be more specific. Me and my brain farts:(
Dan
Wednesday, February 2, 2005 03:21:05 AM
IP: 68.42.18.157

Siren: If you are going down to orlando, which i think you are. There playing a psycho le cemu concert at the con, check it out:). I think it's free, i forget:(
Dan
Wednesday, February 2, 2005 03:17:48 AM
IP: 68.42.18.157

Matt, I knew deep down inside you were a caring and understanding person and it was that prank that lead me to believe you hated me. I don't think I can apologize enough for how wrong I was for taking advantage of you like that.:\ Now something else is troubling me and I need to ask another favor of you. You said your friend is the cop, I need to talk to him. There was something that I did and it was the real thing on Friday and I need to have it thrown out. They could be in one of two places - in Nixon's computer or forwarded to another branch, unless Nixon already threw it out.
Brian - [Shendu42@hotmail.com]
USAWednesday, February 2, 2005 02:15:29 AM
IP: 205.238.195.64

Siren: You bet, i definately will keep my ear out if i hear any, my nose is burried so far into anime i literally smell it:P. But i do believe most of the big cons tour around like the gathering, i don't think they stay in one place. Anyway if i do read of hear about a con coming down your way, i'll definately let you know:). And yourwelcome kristen, glad i could help. Honestly it's the truth, if you tell disney you appreciate what they did, it butters them up for a second season. Wow, i really need to by some pencils and envelops:(. To bad email isn't a good priority in telling them thanks, they'll get my email 2 years from now:P
Dan
Wednesday, February 2, 2005 12:51:04 AM
IP: 68.42.18.157

Brian> idon't hateyou, and i never cared what your opinions were about anything, i just got madbecause for some reason you singled me out to play a practical joke. i wasn't making myself your enemy here in the Comment Room (on the contrary, i was supporting your right tohave your opinions) so i didn't understand why you decide to email pretending youwant my advice and then making a joke of it. it really just seemed likeyou were trying to cause conflict with anyone who was willing to listen to you, and thats what bothered me.
i'm way over it now, and i appreciate your apology, but actions speak louder than words. stick around the Comment Room and play it cool like you have for the last few days and i don't think any fans are gonna have any problems with you. everyone in here has different opinions and its great to debate those opinions, but don't be a troublemaker. thats just silly.

matt
O'Fallon, Mo
Wednesday, February 2, 2005 12:30:56 AM
IP: 67.65.130.252

GRRRRR I meant Siren not Una! *why the hell did I put that?*
Brian - [Shendu42@hotmail.com]
USAWednesday, February 2, 2005 12:16:51 AM
IP: 199.224.75.245

"Brian> I was looking for a February ____, 2005 date (fill in the blank). Now that that whole fiasco from last week is over, I don't think that Greg would die of heart attack if he came in here. So, any actual dates?"
Sorry. I do not recall what he said the possible date was. I'm not able to answer that.
Wouldn't surprise me in the very least if he already did. I know that may be a dumb joke, but I feel I have something I really have to spill. Since the whole thing started here, I think here is the best place to put it.
I've just come to realize that the whole fiasco is an end result of my own pig-headed arrogance more so than what little of everyone else's that was contributed to the pot, including the rabbit trails and sidebars created from the whole Lexington ordeal in the beginning. For being a fan of the series I have to admit that I blew it bigtime, not only for myself but the rest of the fandom as well. Come to think of it I don't think Greg would think too highly of it either. For years I've had a dream of it coming back, and it's always been "I want to see it back as this" and "I want to see it back as that" stating my own views and blowing off all of the other ones. And if that isn't enough I look through the Ask Greg archives, question and pull this big nasty prank on myself and even worse I bring Matt into it...
It's just not cool. I've been a fan of the series for nine years now and I haven't to this day ever wanted to let it go. I wouldn't be surprised in the least despite being one of the biggest fans of the series, I could very well be the one with the kill switch.
Once history is written it is final. I cannot change what has already happened nor can I stop the fans of the series from hating me, including Matt, Una, Mr. Sobotka, and anyone else I don't yet know about though they already know who they are. I'd like to try to fix it but I don't know where to start.

Brian - [Shendu42@hotmail.com]
USAWednesday, February 2, 2005 12:13:38 AM
IP: 199.224.75.245

Dan, Chameleon: Thank you for answering my question, I appreciate it! :) I'll probably just write a letter (after I watch Disc 2) and let them know they should release Season 2 on DVD!
Kristen - [zzilly14@yahoo.com]
Virginia, USA
Tuesday, February 1, 2005 10:07:23 PM
IP: 199.111.131.158

Dan>Due to funds and transportation, I can only do cons in Florida. Best for Orlando or Jacksonville. If you hear of any, let me know. :)

I've watched some anime, but the only one that really fell in love with was Princess Mononoke. And I liked Spirited Away too.

Siren
Tuesday, February 1, 2005 08:43:30 PM
IP: 65.33.112.90

Siren: oh you'd love those anime conventions, from the pictures i've seen and the stories i heard, it's alot of fun. There's people there in all sorts of costumes, dumb and really good. You should try going to a visual-kei con aswell, that's one of my first priorites. I think they have smaller die-hard cons in california and las vegas. A big one is sakura con, i would think gargoyles would fit right in. The only bad thing is it's not anime, it's american animation. But nontheless would still be fun, many people would end up asking questions and give the series a much needed boost.
Dan
Tuesday, February 1, 2005 06:03:45 PM
IP: 68.42.18.157

Okay, technically this is now a double post ;)

Dan>I wouldn't rule out an anime convention. :) Never been to one. Mega-Con has a lot of anime, but it's not strictly anime. I just don't follow the anime stuff, so thus never hear of anime conventions that are coming by.

Siren
Tuesday, February 1, 2005 05:56:30 PM
IP: 65.33.112.90

Sorry for the double post, but if Gargoyles could not come back as an animated series, I would love to see it one of 3 ways...

A monthly comic written by Greg, as well as the other writers of the show. Perhaps having guest writers. Like Michael Reaves. I would also love to see Joss Whedon or Michael Turner take a stab at it.

A graphic novel, which is pretty much the same thing as the comic, but perhaps it comes out quarterly, thus having much more story for one book.

And lastly, novels. Just your regular run of the mill ones. Like they do with Star Trek and Star Wars. It wouldn't have pretty pictures, but we all know what they look and sound like, so it really doesn't matter if it didn't have pictures to go along with. Thus is the point of a novel.

I do wish Disney would allow Greg, Michael and other writers to do something with it.

Siren
Tuesday, February 1, 2005 05:54:45 PM
IP: 65.33.112.90

Siren, you should go to one of those anime/videogame conventions, or japanese music conventions dressed like a gargoyle. I think alot of people will like it, alot of japanese music fans usually dress up very gothish. Either way, if i ever get a chance i'll go with you, i'm still figuring out who i could go as. I'm not going as elisa, man=elisa's cometume=freaky. Hmmm, maybe oberon?
Dan
Tuesday, February 1, 2005 05:54:44 PM
IP: 68.42.18.157

CK>Maybe I'll see you there! I am attending on Sunday

Kathy>Thanks for the updated flyers. I plan to make at least 100 copies, 200 if I can afford it :)

Siren
Tuesday, February 1, 2005 05:34:06 PM
IP: 65.33.112.90

Brian> I was looking for a February ____, 2005 date (fill in the blank). Now that that whole fiasco from last week is over, I don't think that Greg would die of heart attack if he came in here. So, any actual dates?
Lord GargFan
Tuesday, February 1, 2005 05:10:01 PM
IP: 24.11.252.213

"Patrick is right, the only thing registering a disc does is let the marketing minds know where to send more junk mail to."
Ah crud:|

Brian - [Shendu42@hotmail.com]
USATuesday, February 1, 2005 03:34:21 PM
IP: 216.37.226.72

Siren and CKayote > Don't forget to take flyers! The latest one can be found by clicking my name! Or at the G2005 website under Promote Us!

Chameleongirl > Thanks! That's the ticket. You can also leave reviews at Ask Greg unless they've closed the queue or at Amazon.com. Both are places that Disney execs are aware of.

Dan > Buena Vista knows exactly how many units they've shipped and to where. They get sales unit figures, store inventory levels and reorder and return data. Patrick is right, the only thing registering a disc does is let the marketing minds know where to send more junk mail to.

And with that happy thought... let me add one more. Do you have a business you want to promote? Do you have a webcomic or other site you'd like to drive more traffic to? Do you just want to tell the world how much you like Gargoyles? Then advertise with the Gathering of the Gargoyles! That's right, we are offering space in the 2005 program! You can find all the information here ->
http://gathering.gargoyles-fans.org/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=11 (That's the Promote Yourself! page).

And as always, if you have questions feel free to drop a line to staff@gargoyles-fans.org. Thanks!

kathy
Tuesday, February 1, 2005 02:37:32 PM
IP: 66.82.9.84

You'd be surprised what they can do nowadays. Who knows, it can ahppen. Considering what options are available it would be better than making it look like something stupid, like Pokemon for example.
Brian - [Shendu42@hotmail.com]
USATuesday, February 1, 2005 02:26:19 PM
IP: 216.37.226.72

Wingless: Your two are in my thoughts.

Siren: I'll have to go then. Wear my gathering 2005 T-Shirt.

Todd: Maybe as a Paperback RPG? Don't watch the continuation of the series, live it yourself!
Stick all the basic info about the series up front, include Greg's Gargs enclyclopedia on a CD with a link to the Ask Greg archive.
Then chapters on play in both modern + medievel settings. A chapter on what Greg had 'next' for the series and the spin-offs. And ending with a chapter on using the most well-known fanfic universes - Christine Morgan (with her permission of course), TGS, a few others.

Brian- I have yet to see CGI that properly captures the 'dark' feel of the series, but if they could do it without it being prohibitively expensive, I'd wouldn't have a problem.

CKayote - [CKayote@worldnet.att.net]
Orlando, FL
Tuesday, February 1, 2005 01:43:10 PM
IP: 64.192.79.181

I've bought a lot of CDs and DVDs in my day, but I've never heard of "registering" them before. I don't return the "registration" cards from other products, either. The only purpose of that is to data-mine so they can get you on a mailing list. All you truly need if you have a warranty issue later is your dated cash register receipt or shipping invoice. As for the "Gargoyles" DVD sales, I would imagine the numbers they're going to look at are the ones reported by the retailers, not how many people have "registered" the DVD with the marketing department.

177 days left until The Gathering 2005 in Las Vegas, Nevada.

Patrick
Tuesday, February 1, 2005 08:03:10 AM
IP: 66.93.14.153

A whole new week, and a whole new month too. Happy February to you all!:D
Brian - [Shendu42@hotmail.com]
USATuesday, February 1, 2005 01:55:21 AM
IP: 209.74.41.162

Good morning peoples.
Phoenyx
Memphis
Tuesday, February 1, 2005 01:10:07 AM
IP: 65.185.156.58

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Anonymous
Tuesday, February 1, 2005 01:09:41 AM
IP: 65.185.156.58

"Any news on a date on when they're getting together and deciding on Season 2's DVD? If they decide to do it, it would be <radio interference> One small step for the us, <radio interference> one giant leap for the series."
Greg said sometime this month, if I remember correctly.

Brian - [Shendu42@hotmail.com]
USAMonday, January 31, 2005 11:58:37 PM
IP: 205.238.195.38

"Brian > Two, but they have to be REALLY tiny if they're gonna fit in there."
*Thinks for a moment...*
OMG! lol Pat, you REALLY need to get your mind out of the gutter. LMAO
Siren, where would I find the wings like the ones you mentioned? When I find any, I'm disappointed because they are no more bigger than a car tire.
The only reason I thought the generated animation would fly (pun intended) is because it looked great in the TGC opening sequence. Unless the animation used is not what I think it is?

Brian - [Shendu42@hotmail.com]
USAMonday, January 31, 2005 11:52:21 PM
IP: 205.238.195.38

Kristen: Here is what the Gathering staff posted recently in regards to DVD feedback.

"After ten long years, Disney has released Gargoyles Season 1 to DVD. They've done a good job with it. The packaging and presentation live up to the product.

So, let's tell Disney how we feel about it!

Take ten minutes and write them a nice thank you letter. Even a postcard will do. Keep it short and sweet - this isn't the place to take them to task for sending you on a retail scavenger hunt to find the disc. Most importantly, tell them how much you look forward to the release of SEASON TWO.

Here is the address:


Buena Vista Home Entertainment
Department CS
Burbank, CA 91521
(This is the address off the disc.)
Thank you."

I think that is what you were asking for?

Chameleongirl
Monday, January 31, 2005 09:43:22 PM
IP: 202.87.162.31

Kristen: I believe you can do it in ask greg, since it would be a review greg might put it up alot sooner. Toondisney.com has a poll of which dvd was the best of 2004. And you can register the dvd with disney to. That's the best one personally, it shows how many bought it, reviews are in second place, it's how many bought it that count imho.
Dan
Monday, January 31, 2005 08:42:03 PM
IP: 68.42.18.157

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Anonymous
Monday, January 31, 2005 07:52:02 PM
IP: 135.214.150.125

I don't know about CGI for "Gargoyles"; something about it has always made it seem (in my eyes) more appropriate for a primarily sci-fi series as opposed to one which, while mingling several genres, is primarily fantasy (in light of the nature and origin of the gargoyles). Though the two "Shrek" movies did form an exception....
Todd Jensen
St. Louis, MO
Monday, January 31, 2005 07:21:44 PM
IP: 4.244.12.9

Anyone else going to Mega-Con at the end of the month? It's located in Orlando, FL. Click my name for more info.

I'll be there, dressed as a gargoyle. As will my daughter. I also have a surplus of Gargoyles trading cards. I plan to hand one out to each person we come by. Just trying to keep the show alive and remind people that may have forgotten. Tell them it's on DVD now. Mention here and so on and so forth. I need to finish painting my wings tonight. I have latex rubber wings that look great. They come red though and I am going for something a little more natural for me. I plan to attend as an American Indian gargoyle :D I'll post pictures when I get back and all. But if you are in the Orlando area that weekend, attend!

Siren
Monday, January 31, 2005 07:08:54 PM
IP: 65.33.112.90

Brian > Two, but they have to be REALLY tiny if they're gonna fit in there.

178 days left until The Gathering 2005 in Las Vegas, Nevada.

Patrick
Monday, January 31, 2005 07:07:13 PM
IP: 68.170.199.45

It's Silly Question time...

How many gargoyles does it take to screw in a light bulb?

Brian - [Shendu42@hotmail.com]
USAMonday, January 31, 2005 06:52:04 PM
IP: 216.37.226.112

Matt, check your mailbox. We want to keep matters like this off the forum, ok? A new week, a new beginning.
Brian - [Shendu42@hotmail.com]
USAMonday, January 31, 2005 06:42:55 PM
IP: 216.37.226.112

"Got a beef? Use email. Thats what it was invented for."

that, and attempting to pull stupid pranks on strangers apparently...

matt
O'Fallon, Mo
Monday, January 31, 2005 06:03:44 PM
IP: 67.65.130.252

I'm not throwing comic books and the other media suggestions off, but although this has been talked to death for years, why wouldn't CGI work? Sure, it's more expensive to pull off, but what can you really do when all of your other animation options have either been exhausted or went to the crapper?

Yes, hopefully this week will be a lot quieter. Got a beef? Use e-mail. That's what it was invented for.;)

Brian - [Shendu42@hotmail.com]
USAMonday, January 31, 2005 05:48:27 PM
IP: 216.37.226.112

I always fantasized that Gargoyles would come back on ABC during prime-time hours and as a TV-G/TV-PG "family" show, rather than a children's animated series. I think that all of the voice actors would come back, because they haven't really done anything recently, and it's really easy to do remote animated voicing (even Frakes could do it while directing a movie!).

Any news on a date on when they're getting together and deciding on Season 2's DVD? If they decide to do it, it would be <radio interference> One small step for the us, <radio interference> one giant leap for the series.

Pardon the corny joke, but...

Lord GargFan
Monday, January 31, 2005 05:35:52 PM
IP: 24.11.252.213

This is my first post ever in here, but I just wanted to give Wingless a hug. Your mom is definitely in my thoughts. Just keep thinking positive and you'll get through this. I know you don't know me, but if IM me (on mascubanana) if you ever just want to talk.
mascubanana
Monday, January 31, 2005 05:34:22 PM
IP: 160.39.105.72

Wingless > You and your mom and family are in my thoughts and prayers. I know how it feels to have a close family member (my younger brother) to have such a serious illness and have to be hospitalized. It sucks big time, I know. But hang in there.

If you need to, go ahead and email me. I'm always there to lend an ear, and a shoulder to lean on.

BrooksBabe - [belfour20_mccabe24@hotmail.com]
T.O., Canada
Monday, January 31, 2005 04:26:37 PM
IP: 130.63.176.183

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Anonymous
Monday, January 31, 2005 02:54:35 PM
IP: 135.214.150.125

TODD> All stuff I've thought about. Really no way to know, because the television business is constantly changing its standards.

I do think Greg and the crew could easily work around such things though, they're smart, talented people. They'd know what they have to do.

I don't know who said Cartoon Network would be a good home for Gargoyles, but that's not true at all. CN is run by Time-Warner I believe... Disney's big competitor.

The best place would be if Toon Disney became the network that Cartoon Network is now... unfortunatly it's not available in many areas just yet (happens a lot, was the same with CN for a while). Then they'd be able to afford budgets for many new shows, like Cartoon Network can now. Wasn't always like that for CN, it was all re-runs once a time too.

We'll see. A show would be ideal because I want everyone back, not just Greg. I want Frank Paur back, Michael Reaves back, Keith David back, Marina Sirtis, Jonathan Frakes, Salli Richardson... this list could go on.

But comics would be an ideal second choice.

Greg Bishansky
Monday, January 31, 2005 01:49:21 PM
IP: 162.84.130.8

Sorry for the double post. I forgot to address Todd's question.
Todd> I think that Gargoyles, at this time, would be more apt to find a home on Fox, the Cartoon network, or even Spike TV. I don't think it would actually air on any of the non cable networks at this point. But that just me.
Phoenyx - [Phoenyx8@gmail.com]
Memphis, TN, USA
Monday, January 31, 2005 10:59:32 AM
IP: 135.214.150.125

You and your mother are in my prayers, Wingless.

So, I've watched the first disc of Gargoyles Season 1. I watched Awakening 1-5 with the commentaries, and found them to be amusing (Gummi Bears was an inspiration? I remember that show, LoL!)

Anyway, I'm definitely glad I got the DVD. Let's hope they get Season 2 on DVD as well!! :)

I remember reading here on the comment board that there's Disney or somebody you can write to about the DVD, so it encourages the P.T.B that Season 2 will sell. Where can I do that?

Kristen - [zzilly14@yahoo.com]
Virginia, USA
Monday, January 31, 2005 10:49:44 AM
IP: 199.111.131.158

Wingless> You know i'll keep you and your mother in my thoughts and prayers. Email if you want to talk about it.

Vertigo> Re: Email I sent you. Send your reply to my new e-mail address. Hotmail was giving me so many problems that I got a gmail account.
Re: Marvel universe. I believe the gargoyles would be treated with the same fear and hatred that the mutants are, and depending on the scientist who classifed them, they could end up like the Neo, orliving in hiding, or like the Genoshians and stuck in slave worker camps. Sorry, I'm going by the comic itself. I liked the movies, but I don't think it was inheritly true to the comics story.
However I do believe it is one of the best comic adaptations I've ever seen. Now, how the franchise is going to survive now that Fox fired Bryan Singer has yet to be determined.

Phoenyx - [Phoenyx8@gmail.com]
Memphis, TN, USA
Monday, January 31, 2005 10:39:40 AM
IP: 135.214.150.125

There might be room for an animated show sometime in the evening hours. Simpsons, Futurama, King of the Hill have all done alright. It would work better for the serious nature of the show and allow for somewhat more adult/mature themes.


Aelyria
Austin, Texas
Monday, January 31, 2005 10:35:45 AM
IP: 168.39.180.17

WINGLESS - Your mother will be in my thoughts.

Question for this week: Does anybody besides me think that, if "Gargoyles" were to return, it ought to be in a different format than an animated television series? This is one thing that I've sometimes wondered of late, given a few changes since it went off the air:

1. It'd be difficult to find room for it on television. The Disney Afternoon no longer exists, and there's scarcely any room for animation in syndication any longer.

2. Even more seriously, Disney's closed down the animation studios that it used to make "Gargoyles", and the television animation studios that it now has go for a more "conventional cartoony" style - which works for a comedy series, but would look out of place for a serious drama-adventure series like "Gargoyles".

3. There's also the fact that S&P is a lot stricter these days (Greg himself has brought this up, commenting, for example, that the S&P people these days would never allow them to make a story like "Deadly Force"). All of which means that the climate for "Gargoyles" as a television series is no longer as feasible now as it was in the mid 1990's.

Therefore, I find myself wondering if a "Gargoyles" revival should be searching for a different medium. A comic book, say, or a series of novels (if Disney could be convinced that such things would be economically viable). There'd be the loss of the significant talent of the voice actors, of course (which would itself probably mean some different directions for the series, since some of Greg's ideas - such as bringing back the Archmage for "Avalon" - were inspired by hearing them do their performances), but there might be some advantages. For one thing, there'd be more room to explore such issues as humanity dealing with the revelation of "gargoyles are out there" and gradually learning that the gargoyles are intelligent beings rather than mere wild animals.

At any rate, that's something that's occurred to me. What do you think?

Todd Jensen
St. Louis, MO
Monday, January 31, 2005 08:54:56 AM
IP: 4.244.12.71

Wingless > All the best to you and your family. Hang in there.
kathy
Monday, January 31, 2005 08:49:02 AM
IP: 66.82.9.86

Wingless, I feel for you, Buddy, having just lost my Grandmother before Christmas.
Matt Fews
Monday, January 31, 2005 08:18:13 AM
IP: 206.47.191.83

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Anonymous
Monday, January 31, 2005 08:16:03 AM
IP: 206.47.191.83

Wingless: My heart goes out to you and your family, almost the same thing befell my mom. She has contracted grave(?) disease.
They found cracks in her liver, she was completely yellow a month ago. She has gained some weight back, but her liver will only work on a 90 percent capacity. Were trying to get disability for her, but it's been tough lately, my father got fired from his job, and i can't find work. I don't mean to be depressing or anything, just saying your not alone. Just keep your chin up, things will work out for the both of us, for the better:)
Dan
Monday, January 31, 2005 03:24:20 AM
IP: 68.42.18.157

Nine is my magic number!
Vinnie - [tpeano29@hotmail.com]
Marquette, Michigan, USA
Monday, January 31, 2005 03:21:33 AM
IP: 64.112.203.203

Vertigo: That wouldn't be the main fact, heated discussion from both evolutionists and creationists would erupt. Besides those two, it's categories and sub-categories. I wouldn't see humans destroying them in this day and age, only arguing on who's right and wrong.
Dan
Monday, January 31, 2005 03:20:45 AM
IP: 68.42.18.157

Wingless> I will happily send positive energy your way. Considering how many of my friends did the same for my family's time of need, how could I do any less?
I hope your mother gets well soon. Be strong ::hugs::

Oh, and .. 7th! :D

Chameleongirl
Monday, January 31, 2005 03:13:01 AM
IP: 202.87.162.31

Putting them in the same universe leaves me a little cold. But the Marvel Universe is so diverse... gargoyles would be treated as gargoyles, mutants as mutants. I doubt it'd be all that different at all.
Greg Bishansky
Monday, January 31, 2005 02:07:06 AM
IP: 162.84.130.8

5th! :D

Now to start a topic totally different from last week's....

Given the events shown in the X-Men movies, how do you think the Gargoyles would've been treated if the two universes were the one and same? Would they be treated as 'mutants', or a seperate species?

Vertigo1
TN, USA
Monday, January 31, 2005 01:33:58 AM
IP: 207.65.41.143

1 very important more thing:

my local Hastings now has the Gargoyles dvds available for rent. Don't know for sure what that means.

dph
ar, usa
Monday, January 31, 2005 12:58:03 AM
IP: 67.14.195.12

Not sure what number I am-but not too concerned this week. I know this isn't garg related-but I've seen others do it in times of crisis-so I thought I'd try too.

Just was wondering if you all could all focus some positive energy my Mom's way. She(Joan) is in the hospital after undergoing emergency surgery last Monday. She's in critical condition and is also fighting a severe case of
C difficile(that's Clostridium difficile for those who aren't medically inclined). That alone can be fatal-add to that the surgery she underwent and being week from not being able to eat properly for about 3 months.

If you could keep her in your thoughts the next few days-it would be appreciated.

Thanks Garg peoples *leaves hugs*

Wingless
Ottawa, Canada
Monday, January 31, 2005 12:52:28 AM
IP: 69.196.243.7

4th!!

Matt - yes and no. Yes, that topic NEVER gets brought up again.

dph
ar, usa
Monday, January 31, 2005 12:32:57 AM
IP: 67.14.195.31

DAMNIT... third, guess everyone was waiting tonight...
matt
Monday, January 31, 2005 12:01:45 AM
IP: 67.65.130.252

Dammit... second! ;)
Greg Bishansky
Monday, January 31, 2005 12:00:45 AM
IP: 162.84.130.8

FIRST!!!!

lets hope this week is quieter than last week...

matt
O'Fallon, Mo
Monday, January 31, 2005 12:00:45 AM
IP: 67.65.130.252

FIRST!!!
Greg Bishansky
Monday, January 31, 2005 12:00:27 AM
IP: 162.84.130.8

1st
Leo
Monday, January 31, 2005 12:00:20 AM
IP: 68.231.241.236