Matt: Not entirely. How does Kevin Bacon factor into all this?
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75 at gmail dot com]
"But see? That's what I'm talking about. Now Venture will send Samson after the rest of us and he'll go totally sickhouse on our asses! I like my ass, gentlemen." -The Monarch.
posted @ Sun, Aug 5, 2007 2:44:01 pm EDT from 71.62.204.109

That was Dr. Arnada. And by "that other girl", I assume you mean archeologist Lydia Duane. Arthur Morwood-Smyth is Duane's partner and was also present in "Sentinel". And Dr. Arnada apparently has a brother who is a neurologist in Honolulu. Everybody clear?
Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age! Between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!" -Macbeth
posted @ Sun, Aug 5, 2007 12:33:23 pm EDT from 24.207.163.239

I haven't seen it in a while, but who was the doctor and the other girl in the Nokkar Episode?
Battle Beast - [Canada]
That is all I will say.
posted @ Sun, Aug 5, 2007 12:02:41 pm EDT from 142.59.132.201

Never mind, I found the response.
Quinlan
posted @ Sun, Aug 5, 2007 10:58:13 am EDT from 199.120.82.82

QUINLAN> Judge Roebling was the judge who married Xanatos and Fox in "Vows".
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The 12th Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"Bad Guys: time to fight fire with fire!"
posted @ Sun, Aug 5, 2007 10:58:05 am EDT from 67.87.175.245

Hi, I'm echoing part of Remy's question. Who is Judge Roebling? The only time I recal Goliath meeting a judge was when he was put on trial in TGC, and that's not considered cannon. So, where did he come from???
Quinlan
posted @ Sun, Aug 5, 2007 10:55:55 am EDT from 199.120.82.82

Siren: I agree. Deception is still one of the best advertising tools.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75 at gmail dot com]
"But see? That's what I'm talking about. Now Venture will send Samson after the rest of us and he'll go totally sickhouse on our asses! I like my ass, gentlemen." -The Monarch.
posted @ Sun, Aug 5, 2007 10:14:14 am EDT from 71.62.204.109

Greg B> Oh, damn. You're right. I was thinking of modern day. Gah.

*palms his forehead*
KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra_582 at hotmail dot com]
'Thirty-Six. Nine.' - Issue #5
posted @ Sun, Aug 5, 2007 1:45:17 am EDT from 69.95.31.157

My only critique about the cover is the BAO GUYS thing. Other than that, it's fabu.
Ethan Gilchrist - [ethan at randominformation dot com]
"I wouldn't wanna live in a world without grudges." --Jack Terricloth of the World Inferno Friendship Society
posted @ Sun, Aug 5, 2007 1:35:08 am EDT from 66.56.6.148

Remy> Dr. Sato appears in "Deadly Force" and Judge Roebling appeared in "Vows"
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The 12th Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"Bad Guys: time to fight fire with fire!"
posted @ Sun, Aug 5, 2007 1:26:01 am EDT from 67.87.175.245

Hey there. Does anyone know from what episodes of the series does the Judge and Doctor from the comics numbers 4 and 5 appear in? I would appreciate it. God Bless!
Remy
posted @ Sun, Aug 5, 2007 1:23:57 am EDT from 67.171.237.35

Interesting.
Battle Beast - [Canada]
That is all I will say.
posted @ Sun, Aug 5, 2007 12:09:01 am EDT from 142.59.132.201

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posted @ Sat, Aug 4, 2007 10:47:36 pm EDT from 71.175.140.16

I tend to agree with Ed here.

It could create new fans. What with the Matrix movies being so popular, it could draw in people wondering if this could be a tie in or something similar to the movies. And maybe they'll find out, even if it has nothing to do with the Matrix movies, its still good.
Siren
Don't knock on Death's door. Ring his doorbell and run, he hates that.
posted @ Sat, Aug 4, 2007 8:55:23 pm EDT from 68.202.76.113

KC> No, it would make them 34 in 1996, which is when this comic book is taking place.
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The 12th Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"Bad Guys: time to fight fire with fire!"
posted @ Sat, Aug 4, 2007 3:30:09 pm EDT from 67.87.175.245

Ed Reynolds> 'Can anyone work out what's said in the top right? Born (?) 16 December 1962 in California, that would make whoever-it-is 34.'

Actually, it would make them 45. Do the math.
KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra_582 at hotmail dot com]
'Thirty-Six. Nine.' - Issue #5
posted @ Sat, Aug 4, 2007 3:26:47 pm EDT from 69.95.30.142

I love the cover. It's attractive and intriguing, a tantalising teaser for fans, but should make sense for newbies too.

Matrix is the perfect character to frontline the comic. Dingo, Yama, Fang and Robyn are all great but aren't instantly explicable to people. At first glance they're just people in costumes or monsters... could go either way. Even for many casual Gargoyles fans, the characters have been minor so far -- for people following the DVDs, only Dingo and Fang have got a run-out.

But a "self-aware advanced artificial intelligence" is an instant gotcha to sci-fi/comic fans -- or anyone who's ever heard of Terminator. Someone who's a dangerous "Bad Guy" to boot? I think that's a stronger hook than yet another team action shot.

Also, I disagree that it's not eye-catching. There's not lots of colour, but that's good because the eye is drawn to "WANTED" which means more than some psychadelic costumes.

I think the logo is a bit dull, but if a new, spiffy Bad Guys logo is to be brought to it, I think it'll be great.

Can anyone work out what's said in the top right? Born (?) 16 December 1962 in California, that would make whoever-it-is 34. Dingo was "mid-thirties in 1994"; 32 might be a bit early. Fang? Something about "(?)neighborhood. Woman is (?)housing... (?)modified and sound removed."
Ed Reynolds
posted @ Sat, Aug 4, 2007 3:17:43 pm EDT from 213.187.38.211

Lets give Greg W, Greg G, Stephanie L and the others involved a chance here. There may be a good reason why Matrix alone is on the cover. Personally, I agree with KingCobra that each member of the Redemption Squad will have their own cover follwed by a group shot in Issue #6. I actually suspected that might be the case long before the cover was released.

That said, I am surprised Matrix is up first. I would've suspected Dingo or Hunter.
Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age! Between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!" -Macbeth
posted @ Sat, Aug 4, 2007 1:41:48 pm EDT from 24.207.163.239

Bad Guys #1> I personally liked it, though I agree that having a group shot would've been a more impressive start, cover-wise. i would myself would've liked it even more that way, but I'm guessing, instead, we'll have a character shot per cover, then one big group image on the last issue.

Jennifer> "First off... that logo looks like it says "BAO GUYS""

Yeah, it kind of does. LOL.
KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra_582 at hotmail dot com]
'Thirty-Six. Nine.' - Issue #5
posted @ Sat, Aug 4, 2007 12:16:28 pm EDT from 69.95.30.142

Its not bad, but i think it could be better. Yeah, we already know the characters, and thats what would make a fan who doesnt know all the news to say "hey, i know that, awesome" and for those who doesnt know it, it may be more interesting seeing a gargoyle or a mutate like Fang thatn the matrix. But whatever what do i know?
Matt: tell that to my ex boyfriend muajajajAJAJAJAJAJAJA
Demon@
posted @ Fri, Aug 3, 2007 11:50:20 pm EDT from 24.232.131.111

Eek, you're right it does say BAO GUYS.

I think the note on the bottom that says "artificial intelligence" is supposed to interest people. All of the other characters are human, gargoyle, or mutate -- races we've already seen in the main story. Matrix is more unusual.

It is true that it isn't very eye-catching.
Vaevictis Asmadi
"For every complex problem, there is a solution which is simple, easy, and wrong."
posted @ Fri, Aug 3, 2007 9:25:45 pm EDT from 209.162.56.40

Ok... that Bad Guys cover had me PANIC for a second. First off... that logo looks like it says "BAO GUYS"... I immediately went to Steph Lostimolo and asked if that was the final logo and was it too late for someone to fix it! :: PANIC ::

Anyway, it's not the logo that will be on the comics (or so I'm told). I'll have to guess that the logo we saw at Comic-Con will be the one they use (and it was pretty plain, but easily readable and I was cool with it... despite someone (Dan Vado?) saying that Weisman wasn't fond of it).

In the mean time, Steph shot back with "SCOTT BAIO GUYS"... and I suddenly have the urge to do up a "Charles in Charge" logo with the Gargoyles font. HA!

I'm in agreement that having a black and white wanted poster of the only character that lacks any color anyway was probably not as eye catching as we need right now. Steph was nice enough to make the push-pins colorful for us though. ...Really isn't an eye grabber though.
Jennifer "CrzyDemona" Anderson - [<--- pre-register for Gathering 2008 in CHICAGO!]
"Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?" -- Albus Dumbledore
posted @ Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:39:34 pm EDT from 198.176.189.201

Greg: I saw that Colbert episode. I found myself thinking, "no wonder you didn't get in, Stephen: you were trying to impress the president when you should have been working on his housekeeper."
Jurgan - [jurgan6 at yahoo dot com]
"Thailog smart!" -Thom Adcox, as Brentwood
posted @ Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:15:21 pm EDT from 68.58.255.133

Look who wants to join the Illuminati:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=H5wAaw57gIo
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The 12th Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"Bad Guys: time to fight fire with fire!"
posted @ Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:05:54 pm EDT from 67.87.175.245

I like the cover. While a lineup shot would have worked, I also think they've been done to death. With this cover, we get something that feels a little more unique. I mean, it's a first issue Gargoyles comic that doesn't even have a gargoyle on the front. I think that's a relatively bold move. A WANTED poster says to fans and newcomers, "Hey want to know why this shiny guy is wanted? Come and look!"
Matt H
posted @ Fri, Aug 3, 2007 4:35:45 pm EDT from 71.200.52.237

I went to the comic store yesterday and looked through the Previews to see the article that Greg B mentioned last week. I love the front cover of Bad Guys, and I hope those who aren't familiar with the Gargoyle Universe become intrigued and buy it just to see what it's about. Give 'em a little taste and leave 'em wanting more.

Gargoyles: Clan Building Volume 1 -- I noticed it has a release date on Amazon of December 15th, which is a Saturday. I'm assuming the release date is probably incorrect. Sorry if this is old news.
TiniTinyTony - [tinitinytony at hotmail dot com]
Content makes poor men rich; discontentment makes rich men poor.
posted @ Fri, Aug 3, 2007 3:59:56 pm EDT from 159.240.11.254

Bad Guys cover: for a premier issue, yes, it would make more sense to have a shot of the whole team. But maybe they have wanted posters on each issue for each of the team-who knows.

Notice the Matrix is special-his poster has pushpins while the others on the board only have staples! ^_~
Wingless
posted @ Fri, Aug 3, 2007 3:16:47 pm EDT from 74.115.187.62

Bad Guys #1 Cover> Yeah, I'm not totally feeling the cover either. It is a fine image like Greg B. said. (Sweet looking corkboard, Ms. Lostimolo!) But if this is potenatially the theme for the cover of the miniseries, I agree that Robin might have been a better starting choice, or Yama, or even Fang, as new or casual fans might at least have a slim chance as recognizing them as characters with some connection to the main "Gargyles" storyline. And if we're not going to get "Wanted" posters for everyone, I agree that a group shot might have been more attention grabbing and serve the same purposes of connecting with new fans of the regular series that I mentioned before.

Minor gripes, though. Bring on the Bad Guys!
Demonskrye
posted @ Fri, Aug 3, 2007 2:45:50 pm EDT from 209.6.249.41

Bad guys #1 cover> Hmmm, count me as another who would have preferred a nice action shot of the team for the debut issue.

I've got a feeling that the first 5 issues may go through the back story of each of the team members; this issue could start off with matrix's story.
Brigadoon Traveller
posted @ Fri, Aug 3, 2007 2:34:43 pm EDT from 78.144.47.245

The GargWiki finally has the cover for Gargoyles: Bad Guys #1.

http://gargoyles.dracandros.com/Gargoyles:_Bad_Guys%2C_Issue_One

What do you all think? I personally think a money shot of the team would have been better, especially for a first issue. The idea of wanted posters for the team is a fun one, but would have served better as pin-ups in the back of the book... or start off with Hunter since she is, ahem, more visually interesting than Matrix.

Still, as always, great work from Greg Guler and Stephanie Lostimolo.
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The 12th Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"Bad Guys: time to fight fire with fire!"
posted @ Fri, Aug 3, 2007 1:28:39 pm EDT from 67.87.175.245

**SPOILERS?**
The whole situation gives me the impression that the Illuminati consider the gargoyles to be a very significant issue. I'm sure Xanatos' assignment has to do with them somehow (though it may be unclear to Xanatos how it's connected, depending on how convoluted their plans are).
**END POSSIBLE SPOILERS**
Vaevictis Asmadi
"For every complex problem, there is a solution which is simple, easy, and wrong."
posted @ Fri, Aug 3, 2007 10:57:29 am EDT from 209.162.56.40

Greg B> "canon-in-training" That made me laugh! ^_^
Battle Beast - [Canada]
That is all I will say.
posted @ Thu, Aug 2, 2007 8:57:39 pm EDT from 142.59.132.201

*** SPOILERS ***

Todd> Indeed. I look forward to seeing what Xanatos's assignment is. Though, it looks like we'll have to wait till #7 to find out.

I still don't think what Hacker said to Xanatos was necessarily legit though. Like others, he only knows what he's told, and he is a lower echelon member. But, he's obviously handling both Matt Bluestone and Castaway. Thailog has his own handler... but it's curious that he gets one as high up in the pyramid as Shari, while the others get a mere thirty-two.

Xanatos may be on the fast track for a promotion, depending on how his mission goes.

*** END SPOILERS ***
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The 12th Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"Thailog smaaaart" -Thom Adcox
posted @ Thu, Aug 2, 2007 8:14:22 pm EDT from 67.87.175.245

* SPOILERS *

One other thought about the Illuminati dealings in #3 and #5. We know now that Xanatos is on the bottom rung of the Illuminati, and that even if Duval isn't the head of the Illuminati, he's still very close to the top. In #2, Duval calls Xanatos on the phone, presumably making the phone call himself. In #4 and #5, Quincy Hemings, the other No. 2 in the Society, speaks to Xanatos in person at the White House, handing him the assignment for the Illuminati directly.

I wonder whether it is significant that Duval and Hemings are dealing (or attempting to deal) with a mere No. 36 like Xanatos face-to-face, rather than simply having somebody in one of the intervening tiers hand Xanatos the assignment for them. (They do send Hacker around, but only to ensure that Xanatos will go to the White House.) This suggests that the assignment that he's being given is extremely important, if it requires a direct meeting between a No. 2 and a No. 36.

* SPOILERS END *
Todd Jensen
Gargoyles - did for monstrous-looking statues what "Watership Down" did for rabbits!
posted @ Thu, Aug 2, 2007 7:51:42 pm EDT from 4.244.18.27

New Olympians> Well, looking at what Greg said in "Ask Greg" when talking about the decision to introduce Terry as a 12 year old, it seems that Greg was ready to insert "New Olympians" into current "Gargoyles" time back when the show was on if someone had decided to greenlight the spinoff. But after a while, he decided that it was better to push "New Olympians" back a bit, which I think makes sense. Revealing the gargoyles and having the New Olympians reveal themselves to the rest of the world is a bit much for humanity (and any new fans picking up the comic) to handle. Now that decision was apparently made years ago, but Greg apparently never felt the need to mention it. We don't yet know how much, if anything, is changed by setting "New Olympians" sometime in the oughts as we don't know how much (if at all) the show would have crossed over with the main "Gargoyles" storyline. Nonetheless, I think it does say a little about the flexiable nature of the canon-in-training. Don't forget that "Gargoyles: 2198" used to be "Gargoyles: 2158" (which used to be "Gargoyles: Future Tense" until it was decided that was just too confusing.) So while some bigger truths are probably going to remain as Greg has said in the past (I'm not anticipating "Suprise! Lex is straight!" anytime soon), we can probably expect some details, both minor and major, to be shifted around.
Demonskrye
posted @ Thu, Aug 2, 2007 6:49:56 pm EDT from 209.6.249.41

I also like Kayote's idea about the Illuminati's plans for the gargoyles. It certainly fits with what Hacker said in #3 and #4. And it is very similar to how they react to the Space-Spawn -- they support the one they think will win.

As for knowing the gargoyles' true nature, why would that stop Kayote's theory? Just because they know the gargoyles are a sentient, mortal, protective race, doesn't mean they want humanity to make peace with them. I think they'll want to do whatever is necessary to keep the power they've amassed.

After all, I'm sure they recognize an alien invasion for what it is, but still support the invaders. Then again, we have no idea if the leadership will change in the next 200 years.
Vaevictis Asmadi
"For every complex problem, there is a solution which is simple, easy, and wrong."
posted @ Thu, Aug 2, 2007 5:48:03 pm EDT from 209.162.56.40

Cobra> Simple mathematics. 2005 because Terry Chung is 12 in 1996... and according the New Olympians pitch is 21 when he decides to sail around the world after graduating from MIT. Of course, that's all canon-in-training, and things can always be changed.
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The 12th Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"Thailog smaaaart" -Thom Adcox
posted @ Thu, Aug 2, 2007 1:41:25 pm EDT from 67.87.175.245

Greg> Why 2005? It could take place in 2006 or beyond.
KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra_582 at hotmail dot com]
'Thirty-Six. Nine.' - Issue #5
posted @ Thu, Aug 2, 2007 1:29:10 pm EDT from 69.95.31.30

can't just talk about gargoyles, can we?

A review of the Spectacular Spiderman panel at Comic-Con over at CBR mentions that Vic Cook revealed the show is going to be produced in HD format. I'm assuming this includes a 16:9 aspect ratio as well. If so... SWEET!
Gorebash - [gorebash at s8 dot org]
posted @ Thu, Aug 2, 2007 1:26:17 pm EDT from 207.206.247.201

Greg never set a date for "New Olympians". All we know is that it's after 1996 and during Xanatos' lifetime. So, circa 2005 feels right to me.

SPOILERS

As for Duval. I think he's still Percival, we just learned more about how the Illuminati operates. The Arthur theory makes so much sense, I'm already thinking it's true... until canon proves otherwise. Duval might become Number One after Arthur rejects the position, though.

END SPOILERS
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The 12th Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"Thailog smaaaart" -Thom Adcox
posted @ Thu, Aug 2, 2007 12:36:27 pm EDT from 67.87.175.245

Todd> We also know that the events of "The New Olympians" are probably a decade or more away now, which I don't believe way the original intention. I haven't read too much about what was going to happen in that particular series, so I don't know if the time shift is going to make for any changes to the plot.

I think it's important to keep in mind that, while Greg may have the series thought out with years and years worth of material, it is still a living thing and very subject to change for reasons completely aside from throwing off the fans who think they know everything that's going to happen (except for Lex's mate). I recall Greg referring to Xanatos's character arc that leads to his eventual priority shift as something of a surprise to both the other writers and to him, so I'm hoping the characters still have some more surprises in store for both us and for Greg.
Demonskrye
posted @ Thu, Aug 2, 2007 12:23:08 pm EDT from 209.6.249.41

* SPOILERS FOR #5 *

I wonder if Greg might have made Duval a No. 2 rather than No. 1 in order to keep us from being too confident about the revelations that he made at "Ask Greg" over the past ten years.

Remember that Greg's often stated that he's regretted revealing as much as he did (though it's understandable, since at that time we were far from certain that he'd ever have the opportunity to revive the series in any official form), and has even openly speculated at times about altering the "canon-in-training" facts, in order to bring back some element of surprise.

Now, we know that so far two revelations at "Ask Greg" have been confirmed in the comic: the Illuminati are behind the Quarrymen, and Goliath and Elisa did go out on their double date with Delilah and Officer Morgan. On the other hand, making Duval a "No. 2" may be a deliberate change from the earlier "canon-in-training" statements about the Illuminati to keep us on our guard, and not be too certain that all the "canon-in-training" information is still accurate. For all that we know, maybe Duval is no longer the founder of the Illuminati; it might have predated Arthur's reign, and been founded by the mysterious No. 1. He might not even be Percival after all. At present, we don't know for certain.

Of course, even after all the information from "Ask Greg", Greg's still managed to deliver a few genuine surprises - such as revealing that Thailog's joined the Illuminati. It'll be interesting to see what other surprises await us in the comic that "Ask Greg" didn't prepare us for.

* SPOILER MATERIAL ENDS *
Todd Jensen
Gargoyles - did for monstrous-looking statues what "Watership Down" did for rabbits!
posted @ Thu, Aug 2, 2007 7:10:00 am EDT from 4.244.211.70

Matt: They're really more guidelines than rules. Besides, the guy who made them broke them all the time. ( ;
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75 at gmail dot com]
"When Jesus was president, he ate babies all the time!"
posted @ Thu, Aug 2, 2007 6:24:24 am EDT from 71.62.204.109

Thou shall not kill.
Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age! Between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!" -Macbeth
posted @ Wed, Aug 1, 2007 10:55:57 pm EDT from 24.207.163.239

Jurgan: Thy hath unreveilled my secret. I will have to kill you now,
Demon@
posted @ Wed, Aug 1, 2007 9:57:33 pm EDT from 24.232.131.111

Well, there you have it, folks. Demon@ is number 1. Mystery for the month solved!
Jurgan - [jurgan6 at yahoo dot com]
"Thailog smart!" -Thom Adcox, as Brentwood
posted @ Wed, Aug 1, 2007 9:33:19 pm EDT from 68.58.255.133

A highway bridge just collapsed into the Mississippi river.

Here's hoping everybody in Minneapolis is safe and sound.
Vaevictis Asmadi
"For every complex problem, there is a solution which is simple, easy, and wrong."
posted @ Wed, Aug 1, 2007 8:56:34 pm EDT from 209.162.56.40

Damn, all these fuss Okay okay i admit it I am number One! But shhh
Anonymous
posted @ Wed, Aug 1, 2007 8:48:56 pm EDT from 24.232.131.111

If I were Jesus, I'd be too busy getting free drinks when I came back to lead any secret society. Although, I suppose I could just make my own by turning on the tap. ( ;

***POSSIBLE SPOILERS***

Kayote: That's an interesting theory on the Society's stance on gargoyles. The one problem I have with it, though, is that Duval was a Knight of the Round Table, so I'm pretty sure he knows about the true nature of gargoyles.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75 at gmail dot com]
"When Jesus was president, he ate babies all the time!"
posted @ Wed, Aug 1, 2007 8:38:16 pm EDT from 71.62.204.109

Tony> Hmmm... Could happen.

I suppose.

Though I have to admit that I don't see Greg W. taking it in that route. But then, I didn't see a lot of the twists in #5 coming, either.
KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra_582 at hotmail dot com]
'Thirty-Six. Nine.' - Issue #5
posted @ Wed, Aug 1, 2007 3:11:27 pm EDT from 69.95.29.138

SPOILERS

Jesus is a funny joke. But if the group total is '666' on purpose, could #1 be SATAN?

END SPOILERS
TiniTinyTony - [tinitinytony at hotmail dot com]
Content makes poor men rich; discontentment makes rich men poor.
posted @ Wed, Aug 1, 2007 2:45:04 pm EDT from 159.240.11.254

SPOILERS

JURGAN> The Jesus suggestion was a joke. Yeah, I remember all that, just didn't remember specifically who was participating in that. Again, kudos.

END SPOILERS
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The 12th Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"Thailog smaaaart" -Thom Adcox
posted @ Wed, Aug 1, 2007 10:00:57 am EDT from 67.87.175.245

SPOILERS! people! Remember the tags!
Vaevictis Asmadi
"For every complex problem, there is a solution which is simple, easy, and wrong."
posted @ Wed, Aug 1, 2007 9:28:02 am EDT from 209.162.56.40

Greg: After the Radio Play rehearsal, the cast were all mulling over the revelations in issue 5. I said there might not be a number 1, but others insisted there must be. Some were suggesting maybe the Holy Grail itself was number 1, and then the idea of King Arthur just sort of popped into my head. Discussing it, the idea was sort of fleshed out, but I can't swear that I came up with all the details on my own, though I think I did. A couple minutes later, you walked over to us and gave your suggestion that 1 was Jesus. I said it might be King Arthur, and you were skeptical at first, but once I started explaining it, you said it was brilliant. In case you don't remember, I was the guy who played Matt Bluestone. So, I was the first one I know of to come up with the Arthur theory, but it was helped along by being able to talk to others. This is why I love fan speculation- together we come up with better ideas than we would individually; whole vs. sum of parts. Also, I'm sure I was the first one to realize there are 666 members (or at least slots) in the Illuminati, because the second the line explaining the Illuminati's structure was said in rehearsal, I started trying to figure out how many total members there were (18*37: half of 36 times one less than 36). It's something I do automatically, being a mathematician, but I wasn't expecting it to be anything meaningful. I didn't realize 666 is a triangular number.

One more thing. Someone suggested that there might not be a number 1 at all. It's a reasonable theory, and I thought that at first, so I asked Greg W. point blank later that night, "Is there a number 1?" "Of course," he replied. The next day someone asked if he'd given a lot of thought to who the various Illuminati members are, like number 1, and he said "I've given a ton of thought to who number 1 is; I know exactly who he is." So, yeah, it's someone all right. I think King Arthur, but I could be wrong. One thing I notice is that, if not for Greg's massive spoilers in the past, we wouldn't have this theory, because we wouldn't know Duval is Percival. Greg's surprised me a few times already, and I'm confident he can keep it up. Whether I'm right or wrong, I'm sure it'll be a good story.
Jurgan - [jurgan6 at yahoo dot com]
"Thailog smart!" -Thom Adcox, as Brentwood
posted @ Wed, Aug 1, 2007 5:54:15 am EDT from 68.58.255.133

Kayote, Jurgan> *goes to read what con journals you 2 have submitted*
KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra_582 at hotmail dot com]
'Ignore Me!' - Venture Bros.
posted @ Wed, Aug 1, 2007 1:48:33 am EDT from 69.95.31.61

JURGAN> The queue should open again in September for #6... so hang on to it.

And it was you who came up with the Arthur theory? I didn't remember who's that was. Kudos. It's a brilliant theory.
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The 12th Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"Thailog smaaaart" -Thom Adcox
posted @ Wed, Aug 1, 2007 12:45:54 am EDT from 67.87.175.245

Sigh... I just finished my con journal to find that the queue has been closed, presumably at 12:00 eastern. Well, at least I managed to slip in the first half.
Jurgan - [jurgan6 at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Wed, Aug 1, 2007 12:42:39 am EDT from 68.58.255.133

Greg B: Ah. Thanks for clarifying.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75 at gmail dot com]
"Look, if you have a clumsy child, you make them wear a helmet. If you have death-prone children, you keep a few clones of them in your lab." -Dr. Venture
posted @ Tue, Jul 31, 2007 9:40:50 pm EDT from 71.62.204.109

Ethan Gilchrist - also used to love Greatest American Hero. The bizarre thing in that show, Ralph Hinkley(William Katt) and Bill Maxwell(Robert Culp) used to eat milkbone dog biscuits! Never understood that. Robert Culp was also in the 60's TV show "I Spy" with Bill Cosby!
Wingless
posted @ Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:02:53 pm EDT from 74.115.187.62

Battle Beast> The average person trying to upload 66 episode of gargoyles is not going to want to upload 198 seperate files.

I'd say it's a way of discourageing this behaviour.

Only the most determined would do it, I think.


Except that a lot of youtubers are determind as you put it. Then there's the occasional short toons which would be uder 10 minutes anyway.
Antiyonder - [antiyonder at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Tue, Jul 31, 2007 5:31:24 pm EDT from 71.115.195.228

Thanks for the help all, I just need to refresh my browser, the button wasn't loading. My Gathering journal is submitted.
Kayote
Can't sleep pancakes will eat me.... Can't sleep pancakes will eat me.... Can't sleep pancakes will eat me....
posted @ Tue, Jul 31, 2007 4:39:18 pm EDT from 24.110.132.47

Just had myself an "OMG that is so cool" moment. My girl, Vox, is watching MST3K and they mentioned "Greatest American Hero". I used to love that show but I always forget who played the other guy on it (not William Katt). It was Robert Culp who, I didn't realize, was also the voice for Halcyon Renard. =D Just an uber-nifty connection I'd never made until now.
Ethan Gilchrist - [ethan at randominformation dot com]
"I wouldn't wanna live in a world without grudges." --Jack Terricloth of the World Inferno Friendship Society
posted @ Tue, Jul 31, 2007 4:06:09 pm EDT from 66.56.6.148

I'm sorry you're having trouble. I see the submit button. Maybe you need to clear your cache and/or delete your cookies. First off, if you're using Windows IE, try Ctrl+F5 on the page on which you're having trouble to force a refresh.
TiniTinyTony - [tinitinytony at hotmail dot com]
Content makes poor men rich; discontentment makes rich men poor.
posted @ Tue, Jul 31, 2007 3:32:52 pm EDT from 159.240.11.254

Kayote> Try the 'Submit A Question' link.
KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra_582 at hotmail dot com]
'Thirty-Six. Nine.' - Issue #5
posted @ Tue, Jul 31, 2007 3:20:11 pm EDT from 69.95.196.54

I'm not seeing a submit botton.
Kayote
Can't sleep pancakes will eat me.... Can't sleep pancakes will eat me.... Can't sleep pancakes will eat me....
posted @ Tue, Jul 31, 2007 2:07:42 pm EDT from 24.110.132.47

It's still open as far as I can tell.
TiniTinyTony - [tinitinytony at hotmail dot com]
Content makes poor men rich; discontentment makes rich men poor.
posted @ Tue, Jul 31, 2007 2:00:15 pm EDT from 159.240.11.254

When did they close Ask Greg submissions for Gathering journals? I thought we had till August 1st.
Kayote
Can't sleep pancakes will eat me.... Can't sleep pancakes will eat me.... Can't sleep pancakes will eat me....
posted @ Tue, Jul 31, 2007 1:41:22 pm EDT from 24.110.132.47

%%%%%%Spoiler$$%%%^^

#1> I wonder if the position of #1 isn't filled, allowing the society to deliberately avoid having 666 members (Considering it was founded in the early middle ages, I think they might not want to be associated with a number linked to the Antichrist).

Duval and Quincy> Just because they're equals on paper doesn't mean they are actually equals. Duval might be "first among equals" or have "seniority". Having an "equal" might just be a way for him to disguise his true power/influence/etc. and/or to show some humility (for personal reasons- still keeping to a knightly oath, sense of chivalry, etc).

Gargoyles> I think the Illumanati considers the gargoyles to be wild cards. I think they plan to support everyone until they know which group will be victorious, then throw all their support behind them, and remind them how "we've supported you since day one."


$%^%^&* End Spoiler ^%^^&*&%&(
Kayote
Can't sleep pancakes will eat me.... Can't sleep pancakes will eat me.... Can't sleep pancakes will eat me....
posted @ Tue, Jul 31, 2007 1:21:03 pm EDT from 24.110.132.47

Youtube> the 10 min length issue i smostly designed to stop the 30 minute shows from showing up. The average person trying to upload 66 episode of gargoyles is not going to want to upload 198 seperate files.

I'd say it's a way of discourageing this behaviour.

Only the most determined would do it, I think.
Battle Beast - [Canada]
That is all I will say.
posted @ Tue, Jul 31, 2007 11:39:54 am EDT from 142.59.132.201

*** SPOILERS ***

I don't think Quincy is the son of Jefferson. If he were that'd mean Duval was sharing his special power with him. I doubt that. Rather I think he's a descendant of Jefferson. If that's the case, how does a mortal man wind up in the #2 position? Probably the same way a 20-something (or is Shari younger?) winds up at #9. Either inherited or earned through some means. The Quincy thing makes me wonder how much a person's ancestry plays into their rank. Could it reflect the number of generations a person's family has been a member? Although were that the case rank is either relative or they add a new rank about every 20 years.

As for the society's intentions, I agree that they are not out to destroy gargoyles. At the same time I don't think they'd feel bad if the Manhattan clan were wiped out in pursuit of their own interests. But if we go with Arthur/Round Table as being a major influence on the society then perhaps their goal is to protect both gargoyle and man by controlling how they are revealed to society and direct it to happen in such a way that, eventually, the public comes around to accepting gargoyles or losing interest in them (perhaps via their perceived destruction, ala the Manhattan clan being blown up or something).

*** END ***
Gorebash - [gorebash at s8 dot org]
posted @ Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:46:31 am EDT from 207.206.247.214

*** SPOILERS ***

Actually, it was Greg who said that not every membership slot in the Illuminati is necessarily filled. There are 666 slots, not 666 members.

DPH> I still don't really understand your problem with there being less than 666 members in the Illuminati. As Alex Garg pointed out, it doesn't take that many people to affect the world. Hell, if you add up all the members of both Legislative Houses, the nine members of the Supreme Court and the President... that's less than 666 people, and they still affect the world (and keep each other in check) every single day.

Also, there may be people working for the Illuminati who don't have to be members. Xanatos is a member and obviously he has many people working for him. Castaway has the Quarrymen. Thailog has Sevarius, Brentwood and half of Nightstone Unlimited. Etc.

Also, keep in mind, the Illuminati doesn't control the world so much as they influence and manipulate.

*** END SPOILERS ***
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The 12th Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"Thailog smaaaart" -Thom Adcox
posted @ Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:35:40 am EDT from 67.87.175.245

I re-read issue 3 and 4 again before starting 5. I had thought 3 and 4 were great before but just knowing that I had the end of the story to look forward to made them that much better.

My first thought when I looked inside issue 5 was, "Wow, bright!". Compared to the dark tones of previous issues it took me a second to get used to, but after a couple pages I noticed how much easier it was to see whats going on and the similarities to the cartoon were superb. I look forward to Bad Guys even more.

SPOILERS

I didn't understand why Delilah was in the castle when Owen came to get her, but later when Delilah tells Goliath, "Delilah can mean nothing to me" "Isn't that what you said, Goliath?" I thought that was because Owen had taken Delilah to a room with a monitor or computer and he showed her surveillance footage of Goliath and Elisa talking.

But most others who mention it seem to think Delilah was spying on Goliath and Elisa while they were talking, so I don't know any more.

On the radio play Greg says something like, Owen gets Delilah from the lab. I didn't realize the room was a lab, but looking again there are test tubes on the table so since it is a lab then I wouldn't think thats the best place to show someone video footage.

But Greg didn't say, Owen *finds* Delilah in the lab, so it would seem Owen knew she was in there, and its plausible to think he knows she is there because he put her there.
Ntripy
posted @ Tue, Jul 31, 2007 8:17:57 am EDT from 72.232.196.138

YouTube's ten-minute length limit probably has more to do with system resources. It's pretty easy to take a network broadcast of a half-hour or one-hour T.V. program and break it down into three pieces less than ten minutes. Just split it at the commercial breaks.

332 days left until The Gathering 2008 in Chicago, Illinois!
Patrick - [<-- The Gathering 2008]
"Who does Number Two work for?!?" - Austin Powers
posted @ Tue, Jul 31, 2007 6:59:31 am EDT from 68.76.120.81

***SPOILERS***

Probably so. The Society's been around for over 1300 years. So I'm sure Duval likes to be certain that the other Two is someone with views equal to his own. But one of the problems with people is that they're only human.

DPH: I don't know. Other people have expressed the idea that not every chair in the Society has to be filled at the same time. I like this idea. If you think about it, they would have had to have either gotten rid of, or have something happen to, two other people in addition to Mace, because they also acquired two other members in the span of a year.

SPOILERS END
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75 at gmail dot com]
"Powerman don't need to fight. Powerman don't need no guns. Powerman got money on his side." -The Kinks ("Lola Versus Powerman and the Moneygoround, Part One")
posted @ Tue, Jul 31, 2007 6:36:03 am EDT from 71.62.204.109

*** SPOILERS? ***

DPH> "I would imagine there is a group preventing more ambitious members from creating vacancies in upper level positions that need to be filled."

-Maybe, but I doubt it. It seems to me that the IS is so secretive that members (esspecially the lower ranks) don't know who senior members are. Xanatos knows Duval is a Two, but he couldn't identify the man. He thought Quincy was Duval possibly.
Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age! Between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!" -Macbeth
posted @ Tue, Jul 31, 2007 6:01:12 am EDT from 24.207.163.239

**Spoilers**
I'm going to make a pretty big attempt to give myself a blank slate about the IS, but there are a few things I think.

Mace's death created an opening within the organization which ultimately, after handing out promotions, created the vacancy that Matt was able to fill.

I'm also going to theorize there is an active list of potential candidates to fill a "36" spot when the vacancy arrives.

One of my problems with having only 666 members is where would an internal affairs police force fit in. I would imagine there is a group preventing more ambitious members from creating vacancies in upper level positions that need to be filled.

One more interesting question is could Duval and/or Quincy take a real vacation away from jobs.

One more, relatively stupid question, which will hopefully be answered in the next comic book: How could the Society know about the world tour trip to meet up with Coldstone?
**end Spoilers**

What's up with youtube's new 10 minute video clip rule? Is it an attempt to make it more difficult to put copyright material up?
dph_of_rules
Whatever happenned to simplicity?
posted @ Tue, Jul 31, 2007 2:20:58 am EDT from 71.29.243.231

*** SPOILERS ***

Please stop forgetting the tag, people.

MATT H> "For instance, it would be very interesting if Duval and Quincy didn't see eye to eye... at all"

Nothing in the "Gargoyles" Universe is that simplistic or monolithic. Duval and Quincy probably see eye to eye on some things, and don't see eye to eye on other things.

I really, really am so confident in the Arthur theory that I don't think there is a Number One... yet. For now, I'm running on the assumption that Duval founded the Illuminati and I don't think he'd raise Quincy up to an equal seat if he didn't think he could work with him.

*** END SPOILERS ***
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The 12th Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"Thailog smaaaart" -Thom Adcox
posted @ Tue, Jul 31, 2007 12:21:52 am EDT from 67.87.175.245

I'd like to discover some internal conflict inside the Illuminati as we learn more about it. For instance, it would be very interesting if Duval and Quincy didn't see eye to eye... at all. They could be competing to win the favor of #1, whoever he is. (Yes for right now, I believe the #1 chair is occupied by an actual person.) D and Q often make power plays against each other within the society. With an organization so comfortable with deceit, subterfuge, and covering tracks; how crazy would it be to see members double and triple crossing other members?
Matt H
posted @ Mon, Jul 30, 2007 11:01:55 pm EDT from 71.200.52.237

Mordred and Agravain were also major causes of the Round Table's destruction.

Do you really think, if the Quarrymen killed half a dozen gargoyles, the Illuminati would shed any tears, beyond saying "Oh shucks, we'll have to start over from scratch on some other clan."
Vaevictis Asmadi
"For every complex problem, there is a solution which is simple, easy, and wrong."
posted @ Mon, Jul 30, 2007 10:57:24 pm EDT from 209.162.56.40

I don't think that the Illuminati are out to wipe out the gargoyle species, simply because I don't see what they'd get out of it. What practical use are dead gargoyles? I think that the Illuminati would want to keep the gargoyles alive for the same reason that Xanatos did: living gargoyles are far more useful than dead ones.

Remember that a lot of Xanatos's schemes that were seemingly aimed at killing the gargoyles really had a different goal (take "Leader of the Pack", for example: Xanatos's real objective there was to get Fox out of prison). Maybe the Illuminati's real purpose for the Quarrymen was something different, similarly.

I think that Duval has deluded himself into believing that what he's doing is for the greater good. (Yes, the Illuminati contain people like Xanatos, Thailog, Castaway, and Mace Malone. But the knights of the Round Table included Mordred and Agravain.) He's probably come up with justifications for the Quarrymen and the Hotel Cabal.

*SPOILERS *

I don't know if Quincy is the actual son of Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemings, but I wouldn't be surprised if he was descended from them or related to them. (I even put up a comment about that in his entry on the GargWiki, but Bishansky correctly removed it, pointing out that it was too close to an original idea.)

* SPOILERS END *
Todd Jensen
Gargoyles - did for monstrous-looking statues what "Watership Down" did for rabbits!
posted @ Mon, Jul 30, 2007 10:06:03 pm EDT from 4.244.208.118

Sorry about the double post, with fixing my typos. I also meant "if it fit their plans", not "his plans".

GREG > I do agree its unlikely they want total genocide, but I don't think we can rule it out just because Thailog is a member. They probably have complex plans... no doubt they want control over the gargoyles and will use them for whatever they can, if possible... but as I said, if Hacker was anywhere near the truth with what he said to Xanatos and Matt, the Illuminati wouldn't have founded an organization which is likely to kill many gargoyles, and also quite capable of going on a propaganda campaign to influence public opinion.

The Illuminati surely have plans within plans within plans, and people like Hacker probably only think they know what strings they're pulling, while higher members pull their strings from above. I have the impression that in the Society, everybody is lying to and hiding things from and manipulating each other, all the way up to the top.

But whatever their plans, I'm positive that all of them will be bad news.
Vaevictis Asmadi
"For every complex problem, there is a solution which is simple, easy, and wrong."
posted @ Mon, Jul 30, 2007 9:24:45 pm EDT from 209.162.56.40

WARNING: SPOILERS.

Vaevictus: <And poor Judge Roebling. He has apparently adjusted to the idea of real gargoyles, and seems like a nice guy, but Delilah's comment must have thrown him for another loop!> How much of that night do you think the judge will remember? I mean, the guy was trashed.

Greg B: I like the idea of the Number One spot being open for Arthur. But something I've been marinating on is the fact that Duval has an equal in the Society. Which makes me wonder just how much he is aware of what's going on. Obviously, he's still keeping his hand in things, since he knows that the gargoyles have resumed residence at the Eyrie Building. But at the same time (and this is just canon-in-training; Greg might surprise us again), he also spends a great deal of time at Carbonek. I'm wondering if Quincy has anything going on behind Duval's back.

SPOILERS END
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75 at gmail dot com]
Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. But it rocks absolutely, too.
posted @ Mon, Jul 30, 2007 9:20:35 pm EDT from 71.62.204.109

Argh, I mean "or else" and "chew out".
Vaevictis Asmadi
"For every complex problem, there is a solution which is simple, easy, and wrong."
posted @ Mon, Jul 30, 2007 9:10:19 pm EDT from 209.162.56.40

*** SPOILERS ***

Glad you're back in here, Vaevictis.

The Illuminati> I don't think their plans for the gargoyles involve genocide. I'm still guessing, but I think it's more complicated than that. We already have the Quarrymen for the genocide angle. It would be redundant if the Illuminati wanted the exact same thing.

As for who's Number One? I am in the camp who believes Duval is keeping it open for Arthur. Like many movements, Percival may have started the Illuminati with the best of intentions. But, power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. I could see contact being made with Arthur, and Arthur not liking what he sees of the Illuminati at all, and refusing to lead them. Duval would, then most likely take the Number One position.

So, who thinks Quincy Hemings is one of Thomas Jefferson's illegitimate children?

*** END SPOILERS ***
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The 12th Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"Thailog smaaaart" -Thom Adcox
posted @ Mon, Jul 30, 2007 9:00:58 pm EDT from 67.87.175.245

I watched the radio play, Thank You Patrick! Now I can finally rejoin the cr.

That must be an amazing issue, even without seeing the art. Lots of shocking revelations, even despite the spoilers.


SPOILERS!!~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Duval isn't Number One? OK, that was spoiled for me beforehand (you naughty people) but it is shocking me still. Theories have been proposed which I would never have thought of. It would be strange for Duval to be an antagonist in Pendragon if he's been saving the #1 spot for King Arthur all these years. Clearly Greg wants to keep us totally guessing, judging from his non-answer to my question about it (and I'm not surprised that he's keeping the Secret Society all mysterious and secret).
My personal theory is that #1 is the Grail, or else Blancheflor. Perhaps once upon a time, when it was first founded, the Illuminati's activities were less... unwholesome... and that initially she may have participated. It's the sort of bizarre twist I can imagine Greg doing, somehow.
Besides, if the Illuminati is Perceval's idea of preserving Arthur's ideals against his return, he's got a weird perception of the King... of else King Arthur's reign wasn't the wonderful justice and compassion we believe? Yay for violent genocidal clubs and entire buildings dedicated to psychological torture.

Brentwood's choice -- I suspected at least one clone would choose Thailog (plus the cr spoiled this one). I wonder though, if part of his decision was simply to be contrary. His words, after all the other clones effectively choose *Delilah*, suggests he may have been simply waiting and watching to see what everyone else did, so he could do the opposite. Though clearly he admires Thailog too. And Thom Adcox's delivery of his lines was hilarious.

I feel sorry for Brooklyn ... he must have been desperate to ask Delilah (issue #4) because I would find the clones creepy, too. Though I don't blame them if they are offended by Lex's opinion of them. I think they should not be too angry about what was said on Coney Island, though -- after all, they were attacking the Manhattan Clan at the time.

And poor Judge Roebling. He has apparently adjusted to the idea of real gargoyles, and seems like a nice guy, but Delilah's comment must have thrown him for another loop! Evidently, she doesn't yet understand that mixed-species GMO human cloning is not the sort of thing that goes over well in polite society.

And (revealed by Greg W.) Brendan of all people is the one who called Dr. Sato! Well, maybe he isn't so bad. He's been shown to be afraid of the gargoyles, but apparently he isn't so cruel toward them as his wife. Hey, maybe he pities them for being on the receiving end of her malice! But I wonder, what this bodes for the character's future development... I can't help but wonder, how many people would simply take the gargoyles to be uber dangerous and flee, after seeing that fight. Maybe he didn't see it though.

Wouldn't it be a delicious, scrumptious moment to see Brendan finally snap and whew out Margot? I really, really hate her.

As for the Illuminati -- I don't think Thailog's membership (which shocked me!!) "proves" they don't share Castaway's goal. They're plainly using and lying to their #36 members, I see no reason why they wouldn't use Thailog too and then kill him, if it fit his plans. I can't imagine them starting the Quarrymen if they cared about massive gargoyle casualties. And what does Thailog care if the rest of the species is eliminated? Probably not much.
Though it is possibly that they put together the Quarrymen in order to keep an eye on the violent anti-garg types in NY, I seriously doubt it. I can't bring myself to expect anything remotely good from the Illuminati. The Quarrymen still scare me more, but the Society is creepy and nasty and slimy. I think they must surely have bad, bad things in plan for the gargoyles.
SPOILERS END HERE~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


HARVESTER >> All of them are in the Gargwiki timeline, so far as I know.
Vaevictis Asmadi
posted @ Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:50:52 pm EDT from 209.162.56.40

Keep saving, and I know you'll be able to make it to one of the conventions eventually.
Spoonvonstup - [<--- WMM Tutorial]
posted @ Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:43:58 pm EDT from 192.246.231.112

no way I can save £800 in time for next year I only make £5.35 (about $10) an hour at work (Mcdonalds).
Vicky82 - [Vickyfanofwwe at aol dot com]
posted @ Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:27:10 pm EDT from 195.93.21.4

Vicky82> So save your $$$ and come to Chicago in 2008.
KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra_582 at hotmail dot com]
'Thirty-Six. Nine.' - Issue #5
posted @ Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:15:49 pm EDT from 69.95.30.26

I was laughing at that too.

***********************Spoilers***************************

I did love the "You Bastard" line

**********************Spoilers End***********************

If I had the money i'll come to Gargoyles Gathering convention and like to Participate in a Radio Play
Vicky82 - [Vickyfanofwwe at aol dot com]
posted @ Mon, Jul 30, 2007 4:51:37 pm EDT from 195.93.21.4

*snerk*

SPOILERS

I just finished watching the Radio Play- Adcox's "No! Brentwood free will clone. Brentwood stay Thailog. Thailog smart!" was freaking hilarious.

SPOILERS END
Spoonvonstup - [<--- WMM Tutorial]
posted @ Mon, Jul 30, 2007 3:58:21 pm EDT from 192.246.231.112

I wonder if Gore is ever going to collect the little "This Day in Gargoyles History" snippets in the Archives. Or is the Wikipedia already doing that?
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75 at gmail dot com]
"Here's a better question... why does everyone insist on pitching free will to my minions?" -Thailog
posted @ Mon, Jul 30, 2007 3:39:18 pm EDT from 71.62.204.109

Calliphone> Stone sleep is changing the flesh and tissues of the body into a stone-like substance, and while it's pretty effective, it doesn't work miracles. Short answer, no, I don't think the blade or other foreign body will be changed or destroyed, it'll stay there, just like shrapnel will stay in human tissue unless taken out manually. The tissue will heal around it, maybe form some sort of barrier out of the wounded tissue -- I think I've heard of this happening in some cases -- but not much more.
Asatira
posted @ Mon, Jul 30, 2007 3:33:27 pm EDT from 66.168.218.251

lol I wonder if he's playing with Broadway and Brooklyn. I think that be a good fanfiction story.
Vicky82 - [Vickyfanofwwe at aol dot com]
posted @ Mon, Jul 30, 2007 3:28:06 pm EDT from 195.93.21.4

Vicky82> Interesting this day in Gargoyle History - 2005 Lexington takes a chance and loses. Does it mean he starts Gambling

Maybe he loses at strip poker?
Antiyonder - [antiyonder at yahoo,com]
posted @ Mon, Jul 30, 2007 3:22:10 pm EDT from 71.120.233.114

Oh man, Radio Play for the win! *plasters those links all over the internet* (er.. appropriately, of course)

@Patrick- Music videos? Also yay! If there's any part of WMM that gives you trouble (besides, you know.. it's entire crashing existence), we've put together quite a detailed WMM Tutorial at the Gargoyles Music Video Database.

www.freewebs.com/gargoylesmusicvideos/tutorials.htm

You'll share when you're done, right? I love watching what everyone else puts together!
Spoonvonstup - [<--- WMM Tutorial]
posted @ Mon, Jul 30, 2007 3:21:09 pm EDT from 192.246.231.112

Vicky82: I think that "bloody" is considered less of a no-no word in North America. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Antiyonder: Actually, a few months ago we did have a "What other comics do you like?" discussion session.

As for me, I'm absolutely crazy for Neil Gaiman's "The Sandman", and some other favourite Western comics include Paul Chadwick's Concrete and just about anything by Jhonen Vasquez.

On the manga front, Death Note might be my favourite, but I really enjoy Hellsing, Pet Shop of Horrors, and a few others. I also read Saint Seiya and Yu-Gi-Oh!, but both I enjoy for the characters, and not for anything else.
Incisivis - [incisivis at hotmail dot com]
"No live organism can continue for long to exist sanely under conditions of absolute reality; even larks and katydids are supposed, by some, to dream" -- Shirley Jackson
posted @ Mon, Jul 30, 2007 3:15:50 pm EDT from 216.36.154.204

I was watching Walkabout yesterday on You Tube (I know I shouldn't but my VCR aint working so I can't watch any of the episodes that are not on the DVDs)It was a uncut episode as Dingo was the first to break the bad language barrier by saying "I thought you were in control of the Bloody thing" which did surprise me.

Interesting this day in Gargoyle History - 2005 Lexington takes a chance and loses. Does it mean he starts Gambling
Vicky82 - [Vickyfanofwwe at aol dot com]
posted @ Mon, Jul 30, 2007 2:58:15 pm EDT from 195.93.21.4

I couldn't find this info in the archives, so I wondered if someone could please answer my question. Sorry if this is the wrong space (though if I read the site right it is)
Anyway, my question is: If a foreign object happened to be in a gargoyle's body when he went into stone sleep, would it be dissolved, say, when he woke up? For instance, if shrapnel of some kind were to get into his eyes and was not removed before sleep, would it be gone when he awakened? Or if a dagger was stabbed into his arm just before he fell asleep, would the blade be destroyed, causing the hilt to drop harmlessly off?
Thanks for your time.
Caliphone - [caliphone29 at gmail dot com]
posted @ Mon, Jul 30, 2007 2:03:50 pm EDT from 207.119.216.65

Patrick: Don't ask me. I was quoting Thailog in here two weeks ago. Besides, I don't think it matters much. People quote things in here that I've never seen or read. Yet, anyway.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75 at gmail dot com]
"Here's a better question... why does everyone insist on pitching free will to my minions?" -Thailog
posted @ Mon, Jul 30, 2007 1:22:48 pm EDT from 71.62.204.109

YouTube> Did they ever post the G2008 promo that Greg, Thom, and whoever else recorded on it yet?

If so, what's the URL? Thanks. :)
KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra_582 at hotmail dot com]
'Ignore Me!' - Venture Bros.
posted @ Mon, Jul 30, 2007 1:11:40 pm EDT from 69.95.29.23

I hope everyone enjoys the Radio Play video. Thanks for posting those links, Greg. :)

I may my hand at some music vids now that I've figured out how Windows Movie Maker works.

333 days left until The Gathering 2008 in Chicago, Illinois!
Patrick - [<-- The Gathering 2008]
"Is it too soon to start using Gargoyles #5 quotes here yet?" - Me
posted @ Mon, Jul 30, 2007 12:41:30 pm EDT from 24.106.128.24

hedgecock> I like his work and appreciate him simply for the fact that he's taking the time to help us get the comic out.
Battle Beast - [Canada]
That is all I will say.
posted @ Mon, Jul 30, 2007 11:19:16 am EDT from 142.59.132.201

Antiyonder> I've read some manga. Mainly DBZ, Naruto, and Fullmetal Alchemist. I've seen several episodes from the Case Closed anime, though, and thoroughly enjoyed it.

Radio Play '07> Thanks for the links, Greg. :D

*adds them to YouTube favorites*
KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra_582 at hotmail dot com]
'Ignore Me!' - Venture Bros.
posted @ Mon, Jul 30, 2007 9:56:21 am EDT from 69.95.196.102

Just watched the radio play and I really enjoyed it.
Vicky82 - [Vickyfanofwwe at aol dot com]
posted @ Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:36:05 am EDT from 195.93.21.4

Picked up #4 and #5 at the comic shop today! :D
Christine - [christine at sabledrake dot com]
posted @ Mon, Jul 30, 2007 4:36:53 am EDT from 70.56.94.10

As I was saying, 10.
Antiyonder - [antiyonder at yahoo,com]
posted @ Mon, Jul 30, 2007 2:55:27 am EDT from 71.120.233.114

9th. Meant to ask this a lot sooner, when we were mentioning our other comic book purchases (besides Gargoyles).

Anyone here read Manga? At the moment I only pick up two titles. Those are:

Case Closed- I guess what I like about it is how it is different from some of the other. Good blend of realisim and science fiction, kind of like some of the Marvel/DC titles I've read.

Kingdom Heart/Chain Of Memories/Kingdom Heart 2- The appeal is good story and the whole Disney Crossover aspect. That and I don't keep up with the recent video games.


I am thinking about picking up the Kare Kano volumes when my wantlist is lower. Until then I just pick up available volumes at the library.
Antiyonder - [antiyonder at yahoo,com]
posted @ Mon, Jul 30, 2007 2:54:17 am EDT from 71.120.233.114

Oh, and 9th.
Greg Weisman
Zach Baker is a Jeopardy GOD!
posted @ Mon, Jul 30, 2007 2:52:49 am EDT from 68.183.95.134

MASSIVE TOTAL SPOILER ALERT:::::::::

Thanks to Patrick Toman, the Gathering 2007 Radio Play has been uploaded to YouTube. Because YouTube has a new rule that permits videos to be no more than 10 minutes long, Patrick had to split the 42 minutes of footage into five segments in order to also include titles and credits. Here are the links:

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j63pDlPaKnQ
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRkv56AC-F4
Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s58H_Tdi09E
Part 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6PUx6GsdFA
Part 5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wkurc-TW99o
Greg Weisman
Zach Baker is a Jeopardy GOD!
posted @ Mon, Jul 30, 2007 2:52:22 am EDT from 68.183.95.134

8th.
KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra_582 at hotmail dot com]
'Ignore Me!' - Venture Bros.
posted @ Mon, Jul 30, 2007 1:24:24 am EDT from 69.95.91.188

7th!

Comic-con was fun, but way too crowded (my friend and I got separated and kept missing each other). My plan of holding out for the omnibus Gargoyles comic edition was dashed when I saw the SLG booth (cuz of course I needed to buy something for Greg and Dave Hedgecock to sign). Poor Dave--when he pointed out he only did the lettering for the comics I bought, I told him it's ok, that everyone in the fandom knew who he was, and he said something like, "yeah, but not in a good way". I know people here can't help but point out the differences between his style and the show, or Karine's well-practiced hand, but I think he's very much aware of it, and he seems to genuinely want to improve. I wanted to give the guy a hug. ;;
Vashkoda - [my name goes here at gmail dot com]
D2 <Can I have it?>
posted @ Mon, Jul 30, 2007 1:05:11 am EDT from 71.106.249.31

Sixth~
aepuise
posted @ Mon, Jul 30, 2007 1:01:13 am EDT from 69.135.189.245

FIFTH :D
Demon@
posted @ Mon, Jul 30, 2007 12:23:38 am EDT from 24.232.131.111

numba four
Warcrafter - [grafixfangamer1 at sbcglobal dot net]
Humans are such easy prey for a gargoyle!
posted @ Mon, Jul 30, 2007 12:11:47 am EDT from 69.231.242.95

third
oneuke
posted @ Mon, Jul 30, 2007 12:05:04 am EDT from 69.3.183.118

Second?
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75 at gmail dot com]
Mad Hatter: "Um, may I have that last statement stricken from the record, please?" The Joker: "Record? Is someone supposed to be writing this down?"
posted @ Mon, Jul 30, 2007 12:00:45 am EDT from 71.62.204.109

First!
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The 12th Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
posted @ Mon, Jul 30, 2007 12:00:20 am EDT from 67.87.175.245