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Algernon> Thanks I love hearing feedback! I should mention I've been a massive Star Wars fan since I was 6 years old.
Jamie - [jamiespilsbury117 at hotmail dot com]

Jamie> Darth Blaze amuses.
Algernon
I guard your death

If anyone is interested, I've got a DeviantArt account. I have several Gargoyles fan art and I'm hoping to post a photo of John Rhys-Davies, who I met last weekend at Wales Comic Con :)

http://jamiespilsbury.deviantart.com

Jamie - [jamiespilsbury117 at hotmail dot com]

Happy Easter to those who celebrate. To those who don't, have an awesome day regardless.
Algernon
I guard your death

Glad to hear that, personally Lilo & Stitch is one of my favorites of the late Renaissance Disney-era.
Matthew
Muscles fade and the mind dulls.But as long as the heart is willing, strength remains.

I was looking forward to the film for more than a year, and was not disappointed.

I've lived in Hawaii for more than 15 years, and I've long been an advocate for greater exposure of Polynesian culture and mythology. It's a truly fascinating pantheon and set of stories, despite having basically no pop cultural footprint apart from some VERY inaccurate depictions of Pele here and there.

Maui excepted, Moana mostly deals with analogues rather than figures straight out of the myths (for example, the Kakamora are basically the menehune crossed with "Mad Max"), but I still applaud it for nailing the FLAVOR of the mythology, and exposing it to such a wide audience.

I was actually nursing this fic idea for a fair while before I saw Moana, though it definitely informed the TIMING of when I wrote it. Between the Disney film and "Pokemon Sun/Moon," the overall buzz around Polynesian culture in the mainstream has never been higher, and I was hoping to ride that a bit.

But this is the sort of thing I've wanted to write for a long time.

Masterdramon - [kmc12009 at mymail dot pomona dot edu]
"If the wind in my sail on the sea stays behind me, one day I'll know...how far I'll go." - Moana Waialiki

I'm guessing from your quote you really enjoyed Moana, eh Masterdramon?
Matthew
Muscles fade and the mind dulls.But as long as the heart is willing, strength remains.

D'aaaaaaaw...thanks for the plug, Al.

I've been really enjoying putting this one together. Polynesian mythology and history are both woefully undertapped veins in popular culture.

Masterdramon - [kmc12009 at mymail dot pomona dot edu]
"If the wind in my sail on the sea stays behind me, one day I'll know...how far I'll go." - Moana Waialiki

Probably as one of the Children of Oberon (most likely one of the "tenants-in-chief" like Odin) - assuming he's not an alias of Oberon's (Arawn was portrayed in the Mabinogion as the ruler of the Otherworld, presumably the counterpart of Avalon).

As Lloyd Alexander admitted, the Arawn of the original Welsh myths was far less malevolent than the Arawn of the Chronicles of Prydain (in the chief story about him in the Mabinogion, he switches places with a human king for a year and governs that king's lands wisely and justly), so the same might hold true with a hypothetical Arawn in the Gargoyles Universe. (The Horned King of the Disney movie struck me as a fusing of the Horned King and Arawn in the books.)

Todd Jensen
Hufflepuffs are really good finders

Well, Arawn's a real figure from actual Welsh mythology, so he probably does already exist in the GU in some form or another.
Algernon
I guard your death

Not to mention that Orddu, Orwen, and Orgoch are clearly the same archetype (if with different details) as the Weird Sisters.
Todd Jensen
Hufflepuffs are really good finders

Ah The Black Cauldron, so much potential all lost. Which is a shame because that was a great series. If you did decide to do a Gargoyles/Black Cauldron crossover I'd highly recommend doing so in the spirit of the books not the movie. Mostly because such scheming villains like Achren and Arawn-Death Lord would fit well into the Gargoyles-verse and because it would be amusing to see the fairies of Prydain interact with the Children of Oberon.
Matthew
Muscles fade and the mind dulls.But as long as the heart is willing, strength remains.

OK I managed to upload the images on an old DeviantArt account of mine, feel free to tell me your views on them :)

http://jamiespilsbury.deviantart.com/art/Demona-and-The-Horned-King-s-Spirit-674707879

http://jamiespilsbury.deviantart.com/art/Gargoyles-Return-of-the-Horned-King-674709919

Jamie - [jamiespilsbury117 at hotmail dot com]

Algernon> How's that done? I've got the images on my laptop.
Jamie - [jamiespilsbury117 at hotmail dot com]

JAMIE> You can post links if you got 'em?
Algernon
I guard your death

I wish there was a way to post images on here, I've done two Gargoyles fan art based on The Black Cauldron crossover idea. One is of Demona and the spirit of the Horned King and the second is of the Horned King attacking New York City.
Jamie - [jamiespilsbury117 at hotmail dot com]

Todd Jensen> Thanks! The Black Cauldron and The Sword in the Stone were one of the many Disney films I watched when I was a kid, which I still watch to this day.
Jamie - [jamiespilsbury117 at hotmail dot com]

JAMIE - I've got to give you credit for remembering "The Black Cauldron"; it's one of the forgotten Disney movies. (Though I remember it as well, and did rather like it; it probably helped that I was really fond of the Chronicles of Prydain it was based on as well. I've read, incidentally, that Disney's thinking of doing a live-action adaptation of those, but we don't know if they'll actually make it. Haven't heard anything for a while about that projected live-action remake of "The Sword in the Stone", either.)
Todd Jensen
Hufflepuffs are really good finders

Brainic> Woah slow down I just assumed. I thought the idea of The Horned King returning as a spirit, joining forces with Demona and going up against Goliath and his clan would be fantastic that's all.
Jamie - [jamiespilsbury117 at hotmail dot com]

I think Disney still has the rights to their version on the Horned King. I know he's cameoed in a couple eps of _House of Mouse_ at least.
Algernon
I guard your death

Jamie> It's "owned by Disney" you say?

The estate of Lloyd Alexander would like a word.

Also, tenth.

Brainiac - [OSUBrainiac at gmail dot com]
There is balance in all things. Live in symmetry with the world around you. If you must blow things up and steal from those around you, THAT'S WHAT RPGS ARE FOR!

All this talk of fan fictions has gave me an idea, what do you guys think of a Gargoyles/The Black Cauldron crossover? At the end of the film The Horned King was killed, but what if a thousand years later his spirit was brought back by Demona and her plan is to use his supernatural powers to wipe out the human race. I thought this would be excellent because both have a lot of similarities and are owned by Disney.
Jamie - [jamiespilsbury117 at hotmail dot com]

Anyone looking for decent fanfic recommendations should definitely check out our very own Masterdramon's excellent Hawaiki saga, now on its second chapter.

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12393098/1/Hawaiki

MD does a fantastic job of blending the GU with Polynesian mythology and I for one could not recommend it more!

Algernon

Speaking of "Gargoyles" voice actors....

I regularly follow a webcomic called "Gunnerkrigg Court". One of the more important supporting characters in it is a talking wolf named Ysengrin (based on Isengrin the Wolf from the medieval legends about Reynard the Fox). The man who writes and draws the webcomic recently mentioned on Twitter that he imagined Ysengrin being voiced by Clancy Brown. He added that he was thinking of Clancy Brown's performance in "Carnivale", but I thought at once of Clancy Brown playing Wolf in "Gargoyles", and was amused at the thought of his being a proposed voice for another wolf - though this time, one who started off as a wolf rather than a human mutated into a wolf-like being. (If anything, Ysengrin is portrayed in the comic as having grown more human - he now walks upright in a suit of armor made from a great tree - a gift from Coyote, whom he serves, though he's handled here in a different style from the Coyote of "Cloud Fathers".)

Todd Jensen
Hufflepuffs are really good finders

If I ever got to meet John Rhys-Davies I'd be torn between having him sign something Gargoyles related or something Lord of the Rings related.
Matthew
Muscles fade and the mind dulls.But as long as the heart is willing, strength remains.

Chapter Three of my Gargoyles fanfiction A Different Choice, in which Demona was frozen in stone along with the rest of the Clan, posted -

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12393265/3/Gargoyles-A-Different-Choice

enjoy

Celgress - [odues dot oddities at gmail dot com]

That's awesome!

And... 7th!

Matt - [Saint Charles, Missouri, USA]
"For SCIENCE, which, as my associate Fang indicated, must move ever forward." - Sevarius

Hi guys and girls, I met John Rhys-Davies yesterday at Wales Comic Con! He signed my Gargoyles book and a sketch of Macbeth, which was done by a comic book artist named Neil Edwards. I'm so over joyed I finally got to meet my favourite character from Gargoyles :)
Jamie - [jamiespilsbury117 at hotmail dot com]

Greg said he wouldn't answer fantasy casting anymore, because it wouldn't be fair to the people that would be cast (if they turned out to be different to what he would've wanted).
Green Lantern's Nightlight

BRODIE> Welcome, man!

Can't speak for Greg, but my personal choices to voice Gargan and Kassidy are Nathan Fillion and Tom Kenny respectively.

Algernon
I guard your death

Welcome to the chat room Brodie! Unfortunately Greg doesn't answer questions here, if you have any please submit them here: http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/ask.php and be sure to follow the guidelines as helpfully displayed by Masterdramon. Be aware that there's plenty of questions already in the queue so it may take some time to answer plus there's always the possibility for your question to fall under the "No Spoilers" policy.

Now this is just from memory and I'm pretty sure it was just a rumor, but I think I heard something about Quinton Flynn playing Carnage/Cletus Kasady.

Matthew
Muscles fade and the mind dulls.But as long as the heart is willing, strength remains.

Hey, Greg, Gotta ask you something. If Spectacular Spider-Man ever came back for S3 (Which is unlikely as long as Sony controls the movie rights to the character and the show), Who would you cast as Scorpion, Carnage, Debra Whitman and Hobgoblin?
Brodie Marschall - [brodiemarschall at hotmail dot com]

Second!
Matthew
Muscles fade and the mind dulls.But as long as the heart is willing, strength remains.

One(1st)First!
Vinnie - [tpeano29 at hotmail dot com]