Try the S8 room. Todd only posts here when he knows there's a discussion going on. Heck, I haven't even been checking here much lately.
Spen
posted @ Sat, Nov 24, 2012 1:24:43 am EST from 66.43.205.21

I had hoped our resident medieval expert might have weighed in on this question.
dph of rules
Whatever happened to simplicity?
posted @ Wed, Nov 14, 2012 8:28:04 pm EST from 108.220.202.144

It was a lyre, wasn't it? I haven't seen the episode in forever, and I'm not at home right now, so I can't check.
Spen
posted @ Thu, Nov 8, 2012 1:29:51 pm EST from 69.66.108.228

A quick question:
1)What kind of musical instrument was the Magus holding during the flashback from Avalon?

Maybe I'm here; maybe I'm not.
dph of rules
Whatever happened to simplicity?
posted @ Sun, Nov 4, 2012 2:02:51 pm EST from 108.220.202.144

In vaguely TGS-related news, last night's episode of "Grimm" featured a Nuckelavee.
Spen
posted @ Tue, Sep 4, 2012 10:51:10 pm EDT from 69.63.7.88

Spen> I was a shameful lurker, ha ha... I didn't have the guts to contribute anything of substance, I guess. But it still makes me very happy to see you guys here alive and kicking. :)
Shaiya
posted @ Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:41:52 am EDT from 71.181.50.252

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Helmet Armor
posted @ Wed, Jul 18, 2012 5:43:52 am EDT from 115.119.247.227

Shaiya : I don't recall seeing your name in the archives. Did you use another name when you were here before?

In any event, welcome back!
Spen
posted @ Tue, Jul 17, 2012 5:18:01 pm EDT from 69.63.7.88

I'm really so glad to see that the CR is still here and alive. It seems like a lot of time went by without me noticing, and when I look up, the world is changed. I can understand just a little bit of what the Manhattan clan was feeling in Awakenings... but it's good to see everyone, even if most of the faces are people I don't think I ever met.
Shaiya
posted @ Fri, Jul 13, 2012 6:09:54 am EDT from 71.181.50.252

DPH : Ugh, you have my sympathies. Just the thought of my dad moving back in with me... yikes.
Spen
posted @ Fri, Jun 22, 2012 8:39:15 pm EDT from 69.63.7.88

Spen - My relationship with my dad has improved . . . because we did not live together. The prospect of him moving back in with me is . . . not pleasant.

Happy Summer Solstice!!

**dph grabs a fire extinguisher off the wall with a look of 'do not ask' on his face**
dph of rules
Whatever happened to simplicity?
posted @ Wed, Jun 20, 2012 7:20:40 pm EDT from 108.72.209.133

Also, new interest in the series leads to feelings of, "Hey, I should work on that tonight!" by the remaining staff. (As opposed to, "Hm, I should work on that some time this month...")

Oh, hey, I owe a reply to Lady Mystic!
Lynati - [Lynati_1@hotmail.com]
posted @ Mon, Jun 11, 2012 1:20:23 am EDT from 68.57.16.240

DPH : Sorry to hear about your father's loss.

Regarding pet names, in my (admittedly limited) experience, pet names reveal more about the person who gave the name than they do about the person who it was given to. Love can make you blind to faults, and only see their good side (or even just a percived good side).

Murazor : Welcome back! On behalf of the current staff, please feel free to give whatever comments you feel like regarding the older stories. One of our goals for season four is to try and fix things that perhaps weren't handled so well in previous seasons, so criticism is highly appriciated. It would be quite helpful to get a fresh opinion on some things.
Spen
posted @ Mon, May 28, 2012 6:00:45 am EDT from 69.63.7.88

Also, dph? Sorry about your loss and hope that your father pulls through. What he is passing through sounds quite horrible.
Murazor - [critogar@yahoo.es]
posted @ Fri, May 25, 2012 5:06:12 am EDT from 89.128.72.67

I read the comic (all of it) and it was a worthy continuation, while it lasted. However, I would do this out of some vague interest for fanworks in general and TGS in particular.
Murazor - [critogar@yahoo.es]
posted @ Fri, May 25, 2012 5:05:18 am EDT from 89.128.72.67

MURAZOR> I'd recommend picking up the SLG Gargoyles comic instead. Written by Greg Weisman.
Greg Bishansky
posted @ Fri, May 25, 2012 12:02:43 am EDT from 24.185.74.60

1st, bad news. My stepmother died this morning from cancer. No, I wasn't that close, but I'm more concerned about how my dad is taking it. The 2nd time to lose a spouse to cancer isn't easy, especially when it's on the same floor of the same hospital.

2nd, gxb - at least in my experience, pet names usually reflect an aspect of a personality of the person given them.
dph of rules
Whatever happened to simplicity?
posted @ Thu, May 24, 2012 12:31:11 pm EDT from 98.20.158.118

Long time no see.

So... I was thinking of re-reading TGS.

I mostly enjoyed it back then, but these days I regard myself as a more discerning reader and feel like seeing how my old favourites have stood to the test of time.

Might post comments and criticism of what I read and all that.
Murazor - [critogar@yahoo.es]
posted @ Thu, May 24, 2012 8:42:24 am EDT from 62.43.223.8

It was a pet name!
Greg Bishansky
Elisa Maza, why don't you just take that "sodie pop" can and stick the straw right into New York's eye!
posted @ Mon, Apr 30, 2012 5:34:39 pm EDT from 24.185.74.60

Gxb - I apologize for not replying sooner. The question I have is how to interpret what Goliath means by "Angel of the Night". With contemporary thinking, I view "Angel of Night" as a innocent, pure being. But that is human contemporary thinking, not the way a gargoyle from Goliath's time would view it. Yes, I mean from a gargoyle perspective not a human perspective.
dph of rules
Whatever happened to simplicity?
posted @ Mon, Apr 30, 2012 5:28:55 pm EDT from 98.20.141.60

Greg Bishansky> True, and Brooklyn's dialogue from Clan Building Volume 2 "Tyrants" sums it up well:

"Remember, this is Demona Classic. Tenth century and...

Stil the traitor who caused The Wyvern Massacre!"
Antiyonder
posted @ Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:06:51 am EDT from 50.35.219.148

I emailed Disney which was disneyinfo@disneyhelp.com asking them if they are going to release the rest of the Gargoyles Series on DVD in 2012 of Season 2, Volume 2 and Season 3 and if there are plans for them and they replied to me by email that there are tentative plans to release the rest of the Gargoyles series on dvd in 2012. no further details are available at this time.
Jonny Modlin - [jmodlin210@gmail.com]
Jonny Modlin
posted @ Thu, Apr 5, 2012 7:25:53 pm EDT from 71.192.166.52

DPH> You mean the younger Demona who stole the Phoenix Gate from Princess Elena with every intent of giving it to the Archmage?

She's not scitzo. She doesn't have two personalities. Does nineteen year old DPH have a different personality than however old you are now?

Time can change us, but we remain the same person.
Greg Bishansky
posted @ Mon, Mar 26, 2012 6:39:45 pm EDT from 24.185.74.60

gxb - I was thinking about the younger Demona from "Vows", but thanks for the edification. If Demona was an onion, I wonder if anybody has close people have gotten to the core of her.
dph of rules
Whatever happened to simplicity?
posted @ Mon, Mar 26, 2012 5:21:28 pm EDT from 98.20.144.56

DPH> <<What would happen if Demona, during the daytime, was exposed to Nokkar's 'memory cleanser'? Would we briefly see Goliath's "Angel of the Night"? Sorry, if I'm misunderstanding, but I view Goliath's "Angel of the Night" and Demona as two completely different personalities.>>

Except they're not. Even back in the Dark Ages, she was power hungry.

And, to quote Greg:

"3. As for Hudson, he is Demona's father. So I think it's much tougher on him. The only saving grace, such as it is, is that I think by the time of the massacre, Hudson had a clearer sense of Demona's true nature. I think deep down the betrayal was less of a shock to him then it was to Goliath. Not that he wasn't surprised. You can see how warmly he greets her in "Awakening, Part Four" when she first resurfaces. But in the end and darkly, I think her role in things saddens but doesn't shock him. I also think he CHOSE to focus his real hatred on Hakon Clan-Slaughterer."

Keep in mind, even in the "good days" she was still the Archmage's apprentice, she was still urging Goliath to take the leadership from Hudson. She was still willing to conspire with the Captain against the humans of the castle...

She was always a Lady Macbeth, so to speak.
Greg Bishansky
Elisa Maza, why don't you just take that "sodie pop" can and stick the straw right into New York's eye!
posted @ Mon, Mar 26, 2012 1:10:44 am EDT from 24.185.74.60

gxb - There's nature vs norture. I believe there is a line between basic personality and life experiences.

What would happen if Demona, during the daytime, was exposed to Nokkar's 'memory cleanser'? Would we briefly see Goliath's "Angel of the Night"? Sorry, if I'm misunderstanding, but I view Goliath's "Angel of the Night" and Demona as two completely different personalities.
dph of rules
Whatever happened to simplicity?
posted @ Sun, Mar 25, 2012 10:14:44 am EDT from 108.210.155.81

I think it's one of those cases of the writers forgetting to distinguish between what the audience knows and the characters know. Kind of like the production team of "The Goliath Chronicles" taking it for granted that the public know that the gargoyles are intelligent. (Greg Weisman once said that in his own plans for the "Goliath on trial" story, most of the New Yorkers would consider the notion of Goliath on trial as almost as absurd as a mountain lion on trial.)
Todd Jensen
posted @ Tue, Mar 20, 2012 7:43:26 am EDT from 4.244.210.90

Oh, you know how every fanfic that takes place after Hunter's Moon has the gargoyles just knowing that Dominique Destine is Demona and the Nightstone connection?

http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=14505

Yeah... how did Angela know where Demona lived in the TGS ficverse? Did she put a return address on that package she sent Angela?

If she did, that's not very prudent. I figured Demona would be smarter than that. Angela is her daughter, but Goliath is still her enemy.
Greg Bishansky
Elisa Maza, why don't you just take that "sodie pop" can and stick the straw right into New York's eye!
posted @ Wed, Mar 7, 2012 7:29:13 pm EST from 24.185.74.60

Greg : Thanks, that's what I was trying to say.
Spen
posted @ Wed, Mar 7, 2012 7:16:28 am EST from 69.63.7.88

"Anyone who would change Elisa into a gargoyle or Goliath into a human does not fundamentally understand these characters." -Greg Weisman, Gathering 2003 Blue Mug a Guest.
Greg Bishansky
posted @ Mon, Mar 5, 2012 4:14:37 am EST from 24.185.74.60

Spen - I'm talking about personality. There's a big difference between personality and up-bringing. We know about a great deal about Demona, not much about Goliath's "Angel of the Night". And yes, those are two very different personalities (see Vows).
dph of rules
posted @ Mon, Feb 27, 2012 6:14:39 pm EST from 98.20.139.94

Elisa wouldn't be Elisa if she'd been born a gargoyle, so it really isn't a fair comparison.
Spen
posted @ Sat, Feb 25, 2012 4:18:09 pm EST from 69.63.7.88

Here's a thought question.
If Goliath, his "Angel of the Night", and Elisa Maza had all grown up in a gargoyle rookery, who would have Goliath chosen as his mate?
dph of rules
Whatever happened to simplicity
posted @ Fri, Feb 24, 2012 1:04:09 pm EST from 98.20.165.231

Leo : We haven't even hit 400K yet. This would be considered a slow week in 1999. (The record BTW is 770K.)
Spen
posted @ Tue, Jan 31, 2012 11:46:41 pm EST from 69.63.7.88

6th!

And 4 years since last refresh.


*nostalgic moment*

I remember way back in another lifetime when the CR refreshed every week.

In addition to commentary on whatever TGS story was released; in the old days before Twitter, before Facebook, before My Space, before Live Journal, THIS is where most of the old fans posted random bloggings. Sometimes the amount of text posted in the last four years would fill an entire week. ;)
Leo
posted @ Tue, Jan 31, 2012 8:36:53 pm EST from 98.166.108.243

(5th)Fifth!!!!!
Vinnie - [tpeano29@hotmail.com]
God Bless you All!
posted @ Thu, Jan 26, 2012 2:57:12 pm EST from 99.156.209.18

Wow! Fourth! Woo hoo!

Ok, now for the business:
My friends are in a band called the Five Year Mission. They're a Star Trek TOS tribute band, writing one song for every episode, they've released "Year Two" (16 song increments) recently, and are working on "Year 3." They're in a contest for the Super Bowl here in Indianapolis, sponsored by the Rolling Stone Magazine. If they win, they get to open for Janes Addiction and The Roots. Currently they're losing votes to a band that made an appeal to the guy that owns the Houston Rockets, who re-tweeted. That band is some college band in Bloomington, Indiana. We need your help. Revenge of the Nerds and all. Please please please vote for the Five Year Mission at the link of my name. You can vote once a day until Sunday, January 29th at 8pm. Make sure you go through the process, which involves clicking 'vote' twice in the end, so that 'vote' changes to 'voted'. And please help get the word out. Gargoyles fans can accomplish anything. :) Thank you.
Dezi - [nothingtofear@hotmail.com]
posted @ Wed, Jan 25, 2012 1:37:35 pm EST from 50.90.172.73

I'm third, and now living in Georgia.
Thomas Forsyth - [tmlforsyth@gmail.com]
posted @ Mon, Jan 2, 2012 10:19:51 pm EST from 174.78.194.252

New year. Roll Call!! Sound off. I'm number Two. The year from hell is over.

Starsinger
Starsinger
posted @ Sun, Jan 1, 2012 9:33:35 am EST from 63.18.100.91

Happy new year, everyone!
Spen
posted @ Sun, Jan 1, 2012 4:01:01 am EST from 66.43.205.35

The Dragon Lady has gone Between for all time. Anne you will be missed.
Staringer - [x]
posted @ Fri, Nov 25, 2011 11:49:20 pm EST from 65.55.67.167

AIDAN - If you're looking for the episode that that line came from, it was "Outfoxed" (the scene where Goliath's fighting the cybots, before they take him on board Fortress Two).
Todd Jensen
posted @ Mon, Nov 7, 2011 7:17:49 pm EST from 4.244.0.227

My band covers the theme song, and are recording soon, and we want to use the "How can you reason...with machines!" quote. We used to talk about how awesome it was, but now, for some reason I can't find it. I've watched all the episodes I thought it was but nothing.

Help?
Aidan - [foolsilldestroyyouall@hotmail.com]
posted @ Mon, Nov 7, 2011 5:43:25 am EST from 125.237.177.99

Happy Gargoyles day, everyone!

(I had to find some excuse to post this month.)
Spen
posted @ Mon, Oct 24, 2011 3:59:54 pm EDT from 66.43.205.35

Guandalug - Could you email me?
dph of rules
Whatever happened to simplicity?
posted @ Sun, Sep 25, 2011 6:14:57 pm EDT from 108.72.208.38

DPH: Heck yeah. I just realized the other day that I've been posting here for six and a half years. This does not seem possible. Two years I could buy, but six? And I don't think Daniel has posted at all during the time I've been here. The last time I remember seeing him was during Doug's little 'comeback' at the start of '05.

Where *did* these last six years go, anyway?
Spen
posted @ Sat, Sep 24, 2011 12:44:03 pm EDT from 66.43.205.35

I wonder how Daniel Johnson is doing.

Boy, how the years go by.
dph of rules
Whatever happened to simplicity?
posted @ Sun, Sep 11, 2011 9:42:33 am EDT from 108.72.208.38

I am missing the avalon archive it is - AVMists is already back up and running (still got some minor issues with charsets all around the GFW, but that's about it). And I still got to fix the GFW email adresses, those are currently broken (well, rather "absent", for I didn't get to update the mailserver yet ;) )

I'll send you an email later t'day.
Guandalug
Not really here
posted @ Tue, Sep 6, 2011 3:50:30 am EDT from 141.88.235.198

Guan- Thanks! And I've got some backups; I'm not sure if you mean Avalon Mists or the Avalon Archives, but I think I have them both. Can I have your current email, please?
Lynati - [Lynati_1@hotmail.com]
posted @ Mon, Sep 5, 2011 10:27:14 pm EDT from 68.32.1.72

TGS is back. And whoever decided (back when the last overhaul happened) that it would be nice to php-'include()' the menu via full URL - thanks a lot, I had to fix that. ;)
Guandalug
Not really here
posted @ Mon, Sep 5, 2011 5:21:26 am EDT from 141.88.235.198

Yes, TGS is down. As is all of GFW, actually. The domain has been transferred, as the server the site was running on is going to be decomissioned. Right now I am waiting for the new domain registrar to update my nameserver changes - afterwards, I'll re-establish all the old pages I have (that is, all of GFW I could still find, minus avalon, which seems to be MIA). Further news once I get the site up and running again.
Guandalug
Not really here
posted @ Sun, Sep 4, 2011 6:32:02 am EDT from 93.131.240.178

Huh. It seems Opera changes the colour of dark-coloured text. It's weird seeing Todd in white.
Spen
posted @ Sat, Aug 27, 2011 9:12:09 pm EDT from 66.43.205.35

Todd, I found Greg's answer to my question about the Japanese gargoyle clan being safe to be interesting. http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=13465

To me, that reply implies that certain realities about the Japanese gargoyle clan are in flux.
dph_of_rules
Whatever happened to simplicity?
posted @ Sun, Aug 21, 2011 7:37:26 pm EDT from 70.247.245.190

Since in the "Bad Guys" comic book, Vinnie was looking for the train from Tokyo to Ishimura, Ishimura must be on the same island as Tokyo - Honshu. But that's the only hint we have about its location in Japan.
Todd Jensen
posted @ Sun, Aug 21, 2011 7:11:07 pm EDT from 4.244.0.119

Hmm. Interesting. Very Interesting. It leads to the follow-up question that I wanted to ask. Oh yea, to what am I referring?
http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=13464

I've wondered if Avalon was a sentient entity. I guess that implies the answer to my question.

On another note, in the tgs universe, is the location of the Japanese gargoyles clan in the . . . danger zone? I'm sorry, but I don't know my Japanese geography that well.
dph_of_rules
Whatever happened to simplicity?
posted @ Sun, Aug 21, 2011 7:05:03 pm EDT from 70.247.245.190

Happy Belated Birthday GXB.
dph_of_rules
Whatever happened to simplicity?
posted @ Sun, Aug 21, 2011 11:43:51 am EDT from 70.247.245.190

On the off chance he checks in here today, happy birthday, Greg B.!
Spen
posted @ Thu, Aug 18, 2011 8:39:25 am EDT from 66.43.205.35

To be honest, I never did like the stories "Games Without Frontiers" and "Requiem". Aside from establishing future history, I didn't see anything usefull coming from "Games Without Frontiers". Timedancer never should have been used to establish future history, imo.
dph of rules
Whatever happened to simplicity?
posted @ Sun, Aug 14, 2011 12:25:32 pm EDT from 70.245.213.200

Not a conversation, just a very well-done series of homages.
Lynati - [Lynati_1@hotmail.com]
posted @ Wed, Aug 10, 2011 1:10:22 am EDT from 68.32.1.72

Ok, I guess I'm missing half of a conversation when reading Lynati's latest post.
dph of rules
Whatever happened to simplicity?
posted @ Sun, Aug 7, 2011 12:19:57 pm EDT from 69.153.227.81

*re-reading Games Without Frontiers*

Holy Jalapena, I can't believe I MISSED all of that the first time through! XD But I must have missed it, because I don't think I could have forgotten about it had I noticed it before.

Entity, wherever you are, I'm 90% sure my thanks should go to you.
Lynati - [Lynati_1@hotmail.com]
posted @ Sat, Aug 6, 2011 3:49:33 am EDT from 68.32.1.72

SPEN - Nationwide. They're going out of business, thanks to their financial problems.

I'll miss them; for all the talk about buying books on-line, brick-and-mortar bookstores are useful in a lot of ways. For example, many books that I've learned about and frequently enjoyed, I learned about through seeing them on the shelves in bookstores or in libraries. I've discovered far fewer through surfing the Internet.
Todd Jensen
posted @ Tue, Jul 19, 2011 6:39:23 pm EDT from 4.244.0.87

Todd : Responding to something you said in the S8 room, since I can't post there. Is that just your local Borders that's closing, or is it nationwide?

For the last couple of years, Borders has taken "winter residence" at what used to be B. Dalton's. So if they're not coming back, between that, B. Dalton closing, and our old used book store going out of business, that means that there will be absolutely *no* bookstores south of the Quad Cities.
Spen
posted @ Tue, Jul 19, 2011 4:51:41 pm EDT from 66.43.205.35

I guess we're back to being dead. Gosh, and we were doing so well, too.
Spen
posted @ Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:55:18 am EDT from 66.43.205.35

gxb - I suppose you had a problem with Green using multiple names as well?

It was my dad's last living brother who died. Yes, I am that emotionally distant about it.

I had a peculiar thing happen to me yesterday morning. I had a splinter get beneath my right pinkie fingernail and I have involuntary reactions to certain things.
dph of rules
There is at least one absolute. Whatever happened to simplicity?
posted @ Fri, Jul 8, 2011 11:30:55 am EDT from 69.153.117.228

Greg B. : He's probably just doing it to avoid flaming under his own name.
Spen
posted @ Sat, Jul 2, 2011 10:55:14 pm EDT from 66.43.205.35

DPH> Sorry about your relative. Really.

But, I need to ask. What's with the whole hologram thing? It's been ten years, isn't it time you dropped it?
Greg Bishansky
posted @ Sat, Jul 2, 2011 5:02:47 pm EDT from 68.199.5.105

DPH's hologram : Think that maybe DPH could indulge my curiosity and send me an e-mail explaining all this in plain english?
Spen - [spencatlover@yahoo.com]
posted @ Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:33:27 pm EDT from 66.43.205.35

Algernon - <I think DHP is refering to the fact that there hasn't been a new TGS story in almost five years. After that long a hiatus, it's hard to imagine the series returning in any meaningful way.> I'm implying much more than that.

Spen - Sorry about the vagueness, dph left very specific instructions about trying not to break one of the cr rules.
dph's hologram
Whatever happened to simplicity?
posted @ Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:42:10 am EDT from 70.128.46.94

Another obstacle beside the hiatus is the comic books. Now that they've come out, we've seen that the direction Greg Weisman had planned for the Gargoyles Universe after "Hunter's Moon" differed dramatically from TGS in many ways (Thailog resurfacing far sooner, Brentwood defecting to him, Castaway being far shrewder in handling his public image - as in forbidding Quarrymen on Halloween patrol to carry hammers, different details in Brooklyn's Timedancing and in the Stone of Destiny story, a different leadership for the Illuminati, etc.).

As Bishansky (I think) suggested a few weeks ago, coming up with a new fanfic project that picks up where "Clan-Building" ended might be a better approach.
Todd Jensen
posted @ Mon, Jun 27, 2011 7:14:17 pm EDT from 4.244.215.197

SPEN> I think DHP is refering to the fact that there hasn't been a new TGS story in almost five years. After that long a hiatus, it's hard to imagine the series returning in any meaningful way.
Algernon
posted @ Mon, Jun 27, 2011 10:18:30 am EDT from 86.40.13.223

DPH's hologram : Um, this could just be me being thick, per usual, but what are you talking about? The only thing I can see is that technically, HS4 was released on November 1st. But three minutes (central time) shouldn't really count against intent.
Spen
posted @ Mon, Jun 27, 2011 2:17:45 am EDT from 66.43.205.35

By the dictionary (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/delusional ),
delusional means "A false belief strongly held in spite of invalidating evidence"
denial means "the rejection of the truth of a proposition, doctrine" according to http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/denial .

And I quote http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/_CurrentEpisodes.php to say the latest story was "Published 10-31-2006".

By the way, dph's dad's last suriving sibling died last night. DPH's brother and dph himself are going to be pallbearers.
dph's hologram
Whatever happened to simplicity?
posted @ Sun, Jun 26, 2011 11:48:23 am EDT from 70.252.72.21

And for all we know, Mab might never get beyond Avalon. (At least, that's how the televison series handled the "enhanced Archmage" - though I think that if Greg Weisman ever gets to tell the story of Mab's escape, he'll make it distinct from "Avalon".)
Todd Jensen
posted @ Mon, Jun 20, 2011 7:17:25 pm EDT from 4.244.208.115

Greg B. : Your blog isn't letting me post for some reason, so I just wanted to tell you, thanks.
Spen
"The only way to tell how far you should go with something is to go too far, then look back to see where you should have stopped."
posted @ Mon, Jun 20, 2011 4:26:10 am EDT from 66.43.205.35

TODD> It is a fine line, but we know that come 2198, the existence of the Third Race and Avalon is still secret.

But, it can still be done. Look at what Jackal did in "Grief"
Greg Bishansky
posted @ Sun, Jun 19, 2011 9:43:59 pm EDT from 68.199.5.105

ALGERNON - Yes, I've sometimes wondered what the fallout for Mab's return would have been in Greg Weisman's Master Plan (assuming he'd had the opportunity to work out the details for that).

I remember that TGS received some criticism for having the war with the Unseelie Court being mainly private (harsh winter weather, but nothing more than that); I wonder whether Greg would have made Mab's escape and new war with Oberon much more devastating. (Of course, there'd be problems with having too much open cataclysm in the present-day Gargoyles Universe. I can see why Greg didn't have the Space-Spawn invade and conquer Earth until 2198 - well out of the life-span of the audience.)
Todd Jensen
posted @ Sun, Jun 19, 2011 6:46:43 pm EDT from 4.244.213.63

TODD> I'm very much in agreement with you Todd, something that's essentially a civil war among the Third Race should have darn near cataclysmic results. We've seen what individual Children like Anubis are capable of when their power is fully unleashed.

Considering the Mab is both vastly more powerful the Oberon and implied by Greg to be violently insane, her return should be a near-apocalyptic event for the Gargoyles Universe.
Algernon
posted @ Sun, Jun 19, 2011 9:29:18 am EDT from 86.40.1.87

Another thought on the Oberon-Mab war (if anybody here's still thinking of doing a fanfic continuation from where "Clan-Building" left off):

I've long suspected that Oberon's overthrow of Mab must have left side effects on the human world. These kinds of superhuman regime changes generally do act like cataclysms (look at the description of Zeus's overthrow of Cronus in Greek mythology, for example). For that matter, Shakespeare shows some of that in "A Midsummer Night's Dream" with the consequences to the weather from Oberon and Titania's quarrel over the little Indian boy:

Therefore the winds, piping to us in vain,
As in revenge, have suck'd up from the sea
Contagious fogs; which, falling in the land,
Hath every pelting river made so proud
That they have overborne their continents.
The ox hath therefore strech'd his yoke in vain,
The ploughman lost his sweat, and the green corn
Hath rotted ere his youth attain'd a beard.
The fold stands empty in the drowned field,
And crows are fatted with the murrion flock;
The nine men's morris is fill'd up with mud,
And the quaint mazes in the wanton green,
For lack of tread, are undistinguishable.
The human mortals want their winter here;
No night is now with hymn or carol blest.
Therefore the moon (the governess of floods),
Pale in her anger, washes all the air,
That rheumatic diseases do abound.
And thorough this distemperature, we see
The seasons alter: hoary-headed frosts
Fall in the fresh lap of the crimson rose,
And on old Hiems' thin and icy crown
An odorous chaplet of sweet summer buds
Is, as in mockery, set; the spring, the summer,
The childing autumn, angry winter, change
Their wonted liveries; and the mazed world,
By their increase, now knows not which is which.
And this same progeny of evils comes
From our debate, from our dissension;
We are their parents and their original.

Now all of this tumult is coming from a "sleeping in separate beds"-type quarrel between Oberon and Titania; a war which ends with the previous ruler being deposed and the victor replacing her would be even more serious.

Thanks to some of Greg's remarks at "Ask Greg", we can gather now that Oberon's victory over Mab was apparently in the 5th or early 6th centuries. Greg mentioned that it took place after Merlin's birth, which was in the 5th century. But Oberon must have been enthroned in Avalon by the time that the wounded Arthur was brought to him in 542; Greg mentions that Oberon granted Arthur sanctuary on Avalon (no small feat, in light of his disapproval of the Avalon clan's presence in "Ill Met By Moonlight"). So the overthrow of Mab must have happened before 542, but at some point after Merlin's birth in the 5th century - narrowing it down to the "Arthurian Age" of the late 5th and early 6th centuries.

Now, in the early 6th century, there *does* seem to have been a major catastrophe of some sort (evidence from things like tree rings dating to this period). Historians who specialize in such things have speculated on the cause, such as a disastrous encounter with a comet or a major volcanic eruption. In the Gargoyles Universe, could this have been fallout from Oberon and Mab's war? The only problem is that it might have been a little too late for the timing to work; Greg also said that Oberon gave Arthur haven in Avalon because he owed Merlin a favor, suggesting that Merlin was instrumental in Mab's defeat. Merlin was imprisoned by Nimue not long after Arthur became king - in 500, according to Gargoyles Universe chronology - so by the time that the big worldwide catastrophe took place (it seems to have been around 530, according to historians), he must have been locked away in his cave for some time. So the war between Oberon and Mab and the early 6th century cataclysm might not be related after all - unless some kind of delayed effect was at work. But it still seems like an intriguing idea.
Todd Jensen
posted @ Fri, Jun 17, 2011 8:38:02 pm EDT from 4.244.215.253

Yeah, I'm using IE 4.0. That's the best thing this old computer can handle. (I'm using Windows 95).
Spen
"The only way to tell how far you should go with something is to go too far, then look back to see where you should have stopped."
posted @ Fri, Jun 17, 2011 6:30:27 pm EDT from 66.43.205.35

Are you just using Internet Explorer? Cause you might have better luck going to the site if you try an alternative like FoxFire or Google Chrome.
Antiyonder
posted @ Fri, Jun 17, 2011 3:06:43 pm EDT from 50.35.213.69

It looks like that feature doesn't work when accessing the site through the web archive. (Which is the only way I can look at the site, as my computer crashes whenever I try to go to Station 8 directly.)
Spen
"The only way to tell how far you should go with something is to go too far, then look back to see where you should have stopped."
posted @ Fri, Jun 17, 2011 4:29:05 am EDT from 66.43.205.35

It's still there, but I think I might know why you haven't been able to post a comment or find the archives. I think so anyway.

Put your mouse's cursor on the link to the Comment Room (don't click), and then the following list should appear:

- Post A Comment.
- Last Week's Comments.
- Comment Room Archive.
Antiyonder
posted @ Fri, Jun 17, 2011 3:24:18 am EDT from 50.35.213.69

Antiyonder : Hello there! Good to see you on this side of the pond. Thanks for answering my question. By the way, did Gore get rid of the comment room archive? I can't seem to find it.
Spen
"The only way to tell how far you should go with something is to go too far, then look back to see where you should have stopped."
posted @ Fri, Jun 17, 2011 2:24:24 am EDT from 66.43.205.35

Lurked here every now and then, and have several comments to make.

Spen> Last week, Arlo agreed to cool down and everyone agreed to let bygones be bygones.

He even made some nice contributions to GargWiki.

Greg B> PIT was a TGC invention anyway and really shouldn't have been in this.


Agreed for the most part, but I have to say that some fans in the S8 Comment Room were on to something by suggesting that PIT is used as a PETA type organization.

You know, trying to fight for Gargoyles rights, but going about it all wrong. And as also mentioned it makes a nice parallel to the more level headed Quarrymen that we've seen in the comics.
Antiyonder
posted @ Thu, Jun 16, 2011 9:41:17 pm EDT from 50.35.213.69

I've managed to sort of "back-door" my way into station 8. I still can't post, but at least I can read what's going on.

So for anyone here who posts there, could someone tell me when on Earth *Arlo* became a regular poster? Last I saw of him he was still doing his "you're all idiots, and I'm smarter than all of you. And you're a waste of life!" reutine. So what changed? Or am I confusing him with someone else?
Spen
"The only way to tell how far you should go with something is to go too far, then look back to see where you should have stopped."
posted @ Wed, Jun 15, 2011 11:58:05 pm EDT from 66.43.205.35

One thought I had about Xanatos and his truce with the gargoyles. His truce with the gargoyles doesn't mean the end of his scheming, since the gargoyles weren't the main target of his schemes. They were the means, not the ends. Xanatos's goal was to increase his wealth, power, and influence, and to become immortal. He wanted the gargoyles to help achieve those goals, and when it became clear that they wouldn't be his servants, shifted his plans to create his own gargoyles (the Steel Clan, the Mutates, Thailog). After the first season (except for "The Price", where he kidnapped Hudson to use as a guinea pig for the Cauldron of Life) he wasn't even making the gargoyles his main targets; they fought, yes, but more because the gargoyles discovered one of his schemes (like the Coyote Carving plan) than because he was deliberately hunting them down.

Just because Xanatos has made a cease-fire with the clan doesn't mean he'd give up his scheming (including his search for immortality). He'd work to make certain that the gargoyles couldn't interfere, of course (and with them in the same castle as himself, it would be more of a challenge than when they were living in the clock tower), but even that might not be a problem. (Take the Stone of Destiny case - the gargoyles suspect correctly that he'll try to steal the Stone and the Manhattan and London clans unite to thwart him. And Xanatos still pulls it off - in a typical Xanatosian style, by switching stones while everyone's looking at an empty shoebox, with all those flying robots being just the diversion.)

No, I don't think Xanatos has to give up being a machiavellian schemer when he made a detente with the gargoyles. His attempts to capture and control the clan were never the foundation of those schemes.
Todd Jensen
posted @ Mon, Jun 13, 2011 8:22:04 pm EDT from 4.244.209.22

I'm flattered that people are still talking about that story. That's one of the only two Gargoyles fanfics I've written that I care to remember (the other one being my submission to the 2009 Gathering Anthology), probably because it was a genuine labor of love. I remember starting it Labor Day weekend in order to be sure that it would be ready for posting by December 1st.

Spen: I actually wonder if Greg B is not being harsh enough. There were a few TGS stories (in particular "Reunions" and the Timedancer story "Requiem") where it seemed like the gargoyles were blatantly setting aside their ways in favor of human customs.

In fact, it reminds me of the first time I read Issue #6 of the comic. When Coldstone hears the words "biological son," he reacts as if Angela is speaking in another language. My first thought was of what happened at the end of "Reunions," and my second thought was, "yeah, Greg Weisman did it right."
Harvester of Eyes
posted @ Mon, Jun 13, 2011 6:41:25 pm EDT from 97.102.14.96

Greg B. : Well, "Gargoyle Conquistadors" might be putting it a bit too harshly. I don't think it's so much a conscious desire to "de-gargoyleize" the gargoyles, as it is a simple reflection of the fact that, as humans, we're generally guilty of "thinking like humans". I don't have any other objections to your arguement, though.

Thanks for the link, incidentally. I apperently missed that story during my little 'fandom hiatus' at the end of '06. Excellent job, Harvester! And to anyone reading this, go read that story. If Greg B. and I both agree on it, it must be good.
Spen
"The only way to tell how far you should go with something is to go too far, then look back to see where you should have stopped."
posted @ Mon, Jun 13, 2011 3:46:05 am EDT from 66.43.205.35

I wrote this about a year ago, but have since re-worked it some. Now, since this is a fanfiction comment room, I thought it could make for some interesting discussion.

***

Can Fans Love Too Much?

Well, the above answer is definitely yes if you talk about how far some fans get when they become obsessed, but that's not what I am talking about. If "Romeo and Juliet" was written by fans, they wouldn't have died.

When you get into the realm of fandom, and see what directions fans want a series and its characters to go in, I begin to wonder if some fans have a subconscious desire to make things less interesting. Let's take a look at "Gargoyles" for this entry, as it's the fandom I know best.

I used to read a lot of "Gargoyles" fanfiction, and I still mingle with a lot of the fans on various forums. But whenever we get into a serious discussion on what should happen next, I am honestly surprised whenever someone suggests something good, or even credible. Because almost all the time, fans throw up wish lists that would completely rob the series of its teeth.

Take Goliath and Elisa's love story, for example. It took them sixty-five episodes to even kiss, and almost as long for Elisa to acknowledge her feelings for him. When Elisa briefly got cold feet in "Invitation Only," a good portion of the fandom revolted. Weisman was accused of violating the integrity of the characters, people were angry, and accused Elisa of acting out of character. To which I ask, did any of you ever watch the sixty-five episodes of the series? Ever? This isn't just an interracial relationship, this is interspecies, and it has a lot of very real consequences.

What do most fans want? For Goliath and Elisa to quickly get married and have lots of babies together. As for the former, Weisman has said a commitment ceremony is coming eventually. As for the latter, gargoyles and humans cannot procreate together. May I add that the notion upsets a lot of fans?

And then these fans come up with these weird loopholes to try to get Goliath and Elisa to procreate, usually involving science or sorcery. The two names that get thrown out there the most are Puck and Dr. Anton Sevarius. You can tell that the fans who mention them don't stop at all to think. Puck is a trickster, not a genie. He'll do you no favors without something blowing up in your face for his own amusement. And as for Sevarius... um... he's only slightly less immoral than Joseph "Angel of Death" Mengele. Whenever someone suggests he help Goliath and Elisa, I want to smack them upside the head.

Goliath and Elisa are in love, but it shouldn't be easy. Why make it less interesting.

Next is Demona, who is probably the series' greatest villain. She has a lot of depth, she's very compelling, and you can understand why she is a genocidal bitch. She had a rough life, filled with tragedy. Of course, now she knows her daughter, Angela, exists. Does she love her daughter? Of course. And yes, she helped the clan defeat Thailog after he threatened to kill her. There is a large portion of the fandom who believe that Demona will reform and all it will take is a hug from Angela. Those people tend to forget that the very next time Demona and Angela saw each other, Demona tried to commit mass genocide on the human race, and that she risked Angela's own life to escape after her scheme was foiled.

Demona loves her daughter very much, which is why I scratch my head when people don't think that Angela will become Demona's newest excuse. Let's face it, Demona's entire life is one big rationalization. Nothing is ever her fault, it's either the humans' or Goliath's. If she can use protecting Angela as justification for future attempts at genocide, she will.

Demona is a tragic character, and while Weisman has said she will eventually have an epiphany, it shouldn't be a happy moment, it should be a tragic moment... when she realizes what she sacrificed because she is a fuck up. It won't happen until sometime during the "Gargoyles: 2198" spin-off, well after Angela is dead.

"DEMONA - For over a thousand years, Demona has plotted against humanity, blaming them for crimes against the gargoyle race. Now that a greater threat, the Space-Spawn, has reared it's many ugly heads, Demona has reluctantly joined Samson's resistance cell. But no one, including Demona herself, is fully confident that she'll continue to fight on the side of the angels. This may be her last chance at redemption... or her final opportunity to annihilate the human race. Still, Samson felt it necessary to actively recruit her. It's hard to pass up the help of a warrior who's survived a millennium's worth of battles, a sorceress who knows how to combine ancient magic with modern technology. And then there's that bit about her turning into a human during the day. The only question is how she will use her talents. For now, she's siding with the resistance. But can that last?"

I rest my case on this one. So, I think I'll pimp my friend, Rob's excellent Demona on Christmas Eve story that completely subverts what most fanfiction would do:

Check out "Tis the Season" http://fanfic.gargoyles-fans.org/author.php?author=Harvester%2Bof%2BEyes&sortorder=DESC

Then there are other examples, such as fans wanting to restore Coldstone and Coldfire to flesh and blood... without logically thinking of how. Puck and Sevarius get trotted out again for this one, and I need not repeat why that's just stupid. Not to mention, it would cheapen their original deaths.

There were even a few examples of people preferring David Xanatos's depiction in the non-canon "The Goliath Chronicles" to the in character depiction in the comic book. TGC emasculated him by turning him into "Mr. Sappy Good Guy" while the comic depicts it as an uneasy alliance, and Xanatos still willing to use the gargoyles to his own ends, even if he's learned he needs to give a little too.

Even the GargWiki engaged in this misconception at a time. The opening paragraph for David Xanatos' entry originally read:

"David Xanatos - The founder, owner, and CEO of Xanatos Enterprises. Once the gargoyles' greatest enemy, but now their current protector."

Eventually, Greg Weisman himself edited this paragraph to read:

"David Xanatos is the founder, owner, and CEO of Xanatos Enterprises. Once the gargoyles' greatest enemy, but now their... host."

Alas, many fans still don't get it. And to some, that means he's either a good guy or a bad guy, and some have trouble grasping nuances.

And finally, one of the big ones. A lot of fans hate the gargoyle species itself. Hate them. Okay, maybe not the species but the cultural identity. So many of them work very hard to strip gargoyles of everything that makes them culturally unique and turn them into little more than "humans with wings." Looking different is cool. Thinking fundamentally different is not. So, these fans are, well, little different than John Castaway and the Quarrymen in my mind, expect instead of wanting to destroy them, they want to "civilize them." They're like Spanish Conquistadors. Wait, maybe that's a good name for the "Gargoyles" revisionists. Gargoyle Conquistadors.

There are plenty of other examples out there, and while I think it boils down to wanting to see your favorite characters happy, well, happy characters seldom lead to good drama. So, to all the fans out there who want to see the series continue, please don't wish to rob the series of its teeth, because if you had your way, it would be very dull. It would not be the series we fell in love with.

Hmm, I wonder if any "Transformers" fans want Optimus Prime and Megatron to be friends?

***

Thoughts? Flames?
Greg Bishansky
posted @ Sun, Jun 12, 2011 2:47:56 pm EDT from 68.199.5.105

SPEN - Yes, especially since Hunter's Moon in 1996 was in late October - just a couple of weeks before the election. Just imagine Clinton and Dole besieged by reporters asking for their thoughts on living gargoyles in New York.
Todd Jensen
posted @ Thu, Jun 9, 2011 6:27:15 pm EDT from 4.244.212.222

And when exactly did this room stop automatically doing the AT DOT thing?
Spen
"The only way to tell how far you should go with something is to go too far, then look back to see where you should have stopped."
posted @ Thu, Jun 9, 2011 4:38:58 pm EDT from 66.43.205.35

Lynati : Hmmm. Well, I suppose it couldn't hurt to give it a try. Of course, that would kinda be depleting (sp?) the amount of remaining non-TGS affiliated readers, but I guess I could give it a shot. My new e-mail address is below.

Todd : That reminds me, I've always wondered what sort of influence the gargoyles revelation would have had on the presidential election in '96.
Spen - [spencatlover@yahoo.com]
"The only way to tell how far you should go with something is to go too far, then look back to see where you should have stopped."
posted @ Thu, Jun 9, 2011 4:34:50 pm EDT from 66.43.205.35

Spen: No, we have not officially decided TGS will not be continuing. That said, it is still on indefinite hiatus, and while some work was done on it in the last year, none of the stories worked on were brought to completion. [Personally, I'd like to see both of these projects.] So would I. And thank you. ...while you have a low opinion of your writing ability, how are you with giving feedback on story ideas? It would be nice to have someone new to talk to about the stories planned for season 4, and maybe iron out the remaining wrinkles.

Bishansky: Thank you for the offer and the other compliments, but I really have enough going on with all the universes I'm working on, let alone the real world, to stack another cosm onto the pile. Good luck!
Lynati - [Lynati_1@hotmail.com]
posted @ Thu, Jun 9, 2011 4:19:16 am EDT from 76.98.205.117

CHIP - Good point - and we do know that Greg planned for New Camelot to be in Antarctica - certainly something that would fit Arthur's new role being on a larger stage than Britain.

Peter David (who, I recall, has done some writing for "Young Justice", though I can't remember the details) wrote a humorous fantasy novel called "Knight Life" in which King Arthur, after returning to the modern world from Avalon, runs for mayor in New York. I don't seriously see that happening in the Gargoyles Universe, of course, but it would have been an entertaining prospect. (I've often thought that a mayoral race in which the gargoyles become a major campaign issue would have been a great idea, if done properly; the Goliath Chronicles wasted the idea in "Ransom".)
Todd Jensen
posted @ Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:11:58 pm EDT from 4.244.211.24

Todd> This is not Britain, but a far larger stage...

I LIKED that about TGS, it was one of the few moves I agreed with, and I felt that he was underused...

I'm not saying he SHOULD join King Arthur's knights in a reboot, since Greg has his "Heroes of Ulster" series idea...but I do think that Rory joining Arthur's knights was a very cool idea. And not every knight in the olden days traveled with Arthur, most of them did good deeds off on their own...reconvening at Camelot every once in a while...I tend to think that that would be New Camelot's purpose as well, since Greg did say that their clan's protectorate was on more global scale...with ALL that in mind, who's to say that Rory can't be a knight AND in Ireland at the same time?
Chip Coffin - [Sir_Griff723@yahoo.com]
posted @ Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:00:29 pm EDT from 68.58.89.70

BISHANSKY - According to what I remember, the real purpose for the search for a cure was for Xanatos to make peace with Elisa - though that sounds more like "Goliath Chronicles" Xanatos than the Xanatos of Greg Weisman's MasterPlan.

I had similar thoughts about Nicole St. John and Jeffrey Pearson (I hope I'm remembering his name correctly); the television series already had a media figure in the form of Travis Marshall. (I didn't have similar problems with Regina Fitzwalter in "TGS: Pendragon", since a series set largely in Britain would need its own media representative.)

While on the subject of "Pendragon" and inventing new characters, one word of advice if a new "Pendragon" fanfic series is written: keep Arthur's entourage limited to Griff, Blanchefleur (once she leaves the Illuminati to team up with Arthur and Griff - which probably wouldn't happen until a few episodes into the series) and Merlin (once he's found, which would be only after several adventures) - at least until Arthur founds New Camelot and has a permanent base of operations. I think that we gave him too many knights in "TGS: Pendragon" too early. (It didn't help that the people who came up with Leba and Dulcinea left, leaving us uncertain about how to handle them. As for Rory, while I was the one who came up with the idea of his joining Arthur's knights, I now look on that as a mistake; the evidence from the end of "The Hound of Ulster" indicated that his place was in Ireland, not in Britain.)
Todd Jensen
posted @ Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:18:00 pm EDT from 4.244.210.109

LYNATI> I can definitely appreciate wanting to get all your stories and framework out there. While it will be a few months before this crew here makes a final decision, I just thought I'd let you know that if you change your mind, it'd be cool, and you'd be more than welcome. You're great at keeping projects organized, and documented, and you have a lot of great ideas.

Those ideas, we could put through the prism of the new canon, and see what we come up with. The season four Nightstone arc for TGS can still be used in a different but similar form. That's something Neo-TGS (for lack of a better term at the moment) would definitely get to, what with Nightstone's current status quo.

Think about it. Despite our personal disagreements, I have always respected your abilities and work ethic.

TODD> I am right there with you. I remember when I first came on board TGS, and most of the first season was planned, I was wondering who this Dr. Goldblum character was, and why Dr. Sato wasn't being used instead.

Then I wondered why they were bothering to look for a cure for the Mutates when, by the end of "The Cage," the Mutates were fine with what they were. In fact, Talon even said in that very episode that he was long past caring about an antidote. TGS tossed out character development that in the canon series right there. It never sat well with me. Ignoring things Greg revealed later is one thing, ignoring canon is something else entirely.
Greg Bishansky
posted @ Mon, Jun 6, 2011 7:55:42 pm EDT from 68.199.5.105

A note about the theory that Morgana is Oberon and Titania's daughter (in Greg Weisman's Master Plan). I remember speculating earlier that their daughter was Gloriana from Spenser's "Faerie Queene" (since she was Oberon's daughter in the poem - and presumably, a legitimate daughter, since she succeeded him to the throne). But Morgana would probably be a better choice for that role. She's an already-extant character (if in canon-by-training), which would result in a tighter set-up than if Gloriana (not even hinted at in any of Greg Weisman's comments) had that role. (My experiences with TGS have taught me to introduce new characters sparingly; we probably came up with far too many of them. The comic book introduced a few new characters, of course - Shari, Quincy Hemings, Constance, Staghart, Peredur, Duval, Blanchefleur, and Brother Valmont - but took care to do so only whenever their role couldn't be played by any of the characters from the televised episodes, and still did a lot with the characters introduced in the television series; thus, when they needed a doctor to tend to Goliath - and Maggie after that, discovering in the process that she was pregnant - they used Dr. Sato from "Deadly Force" rather than an entirely new doctor.)

I do think that Greg's explanation for Morgana's faerie background (a changeling swapped for Gorlois and Igraine's daughter) was a lot better than the explanation I came up with for TGS, that Igraine was one of the Third Race (the drawback to that was that I wanted Arthur to be 100% human).
Todd Jensen
posted @ Mon, Jun 6, 2011 7:28:57 pm EDT from 4.244.210.109

SPEN> <<Hmmm. Interesting. But how did they raise the kind of money needed to buy a TV station? Yes, I'm sure Xanatos had to pay a pretty penny for the Grimorum, but that was years after they came to the modern world. How did they manage all those years? I know from personal experience how hard it is to get employment without a high school diploma, and when you also lack birth certificates, and social security numbers, it should be virtually impossible. Unless, of course the Illuminati were involved, but there's no reason to suspect that they were members in the tenth century, so the society wouldn't have any reason to help them in the twentieth.>>

Same way Xanatos did. They probably had some old Scottish coins on them when they came through time, sold them off for a pretty penny, and then as they adapted to the modern world, made some smart investments. I'm sure they could get fake identification, especially in the 70's. Illegal immigrants do it all the time today.
Greg Bishansky
posted @ Mon, Jun 6, 2011 1:13:20 pm EDT from 68.199.5.105

SPEN - Well, asexuality isn't a sign of evil in my fiction; I just see the kinds of Big Bads I write as interested only in power.

Many scholars think that Queen Mab and Maeve are different versions of the same person, so I don't think Maeve would be needed for the hypothetical new series if Mab is in it.

And, yes, if this hypothetical new fanfic series gets made, I think it would be a good idea to name it something other than "TGS" to avoid confusion. (Not to mention one problem with "TGS" - it was too easily confused with "TGC", the abbreviation for "The Goliath Chronicles".)

I think it understandable that the TGS staff's take on the Quarrymen and Castaway came too close to the "Goliath Chronicles" version; for all our dislike of the third season, it must have been difficult to shake its portrait of them out of our heads. Thank goodness that Greg Weisman provided a few scenes for them in the comic book as an antidote (and one reason why I hope he gets to tell more "Gargoyles" stories someday is to strengthen that antidote) - especially the scene in "Bad Guys: Redemption" where Castaway's doing a television commercial for the Quarrymen and makes it sound like a Covenant House-type organization. (And to be fair about it, Castaway did start acting close to a raving lunatic in "The Journey", when he'd cornered Goliath and Elisa at the clock tower's ruins.)
Todd Jensen
posted @ Mon, Jun 6, 2011 7:42:39 am EDT from 4.244.208.107

Wow. I haven't seen this room this busy in years. I must say, I'm enjoying it.

Greg B. : Okay, that pretty much resolves most of my quibbles. About the only thing I'd say is, if you guys do go through with it, I'd suggest using a name other than TGS. Call it a "copyright infringement" issue, if you will. For better or worse, TGS is what we have on this site, and your proposal, while a good one, is not TGS. Besides, it will make discussion far less confusing if there's a separate name for it. Now on to other matters:

"The Quarrymen were the TGC Quarrymen through and through. Just a bunch of one dimensional thugs who turned into another street gang, and a John Castaway who was a frothing at the mouth cartoon character." In "Turncoat", perhaps, but personally, I didn't really have a problem with the way they handled the Quarrymen for the most part. I thought they did a better job of it than TGC, anyway.

"And I have never been able to get past them being brought down by a conflict between two brothers who were not the Canmore brothers." No argument. And I agree about Coldstone & Coldfire, as well.

"Duval was declared to be Sir Lancelot and no one could ever come up with a reason for why he was still alive and leading the Illuminati." Yeah. And that's a real pity, because rightly or wrongly, I *liked* the idea of Lancelot being Duval. It added a nicely personal touch to him being Arthur's adversary. Heck, I even incorporated it into my own "Pendragon" stories (which will never see the light of day). Unfortunately, I can't seem to come up with a reason for him to still be around, either. I was hoping the current staff would eventually get around to telling that story.

"I wouldn't be opposed to bringing back, for example, Sara Jasper" Yay! Excellent idea, there. Sara was one of my favorite characters from season 1, and I was sorry to see her relegated to, as you said "just becoming Matt's girlfriend". Andrea, I could care less about, myself. Nichole could maybe sneak back in: with Travis having his own show, someone needs to do the "at the scene" reporting. And a TGS reboot just wouldn't be complete without my favorite bad fay, Garlon being involved.

"That's how TGS ended up with the Harrisons when the Canmores should have been used." Eh, I did rather like George. I wouldn't mind seeing him come back in some way.

"I suspect they [Mary & Finella] are the owners of WVRN." Hmmm. Interesting. But how did they raise the kind of money needed to buy a TV station? Yes, I'm sure Xanatos had to pay a pretty penny for the Grimorum, but that was years after they came to the modern world. How did they manage all those years? I know from personal experience how hard it is to get employment without a high school diploma, and when you also lack birth certificates, and social security numbers, it should be virtually impossible. Unless, of course the Illuminati were involved, but there's no reason to suspect that they were members in the tenth century, so the society wouldn't have any reason to help them in the twentieth.

"Hey, Spen. You challenged me to see if I could drum up support, and lookie, lookie ;)" Yes, you were right, I was wrong, surprise, surprise. :) Seriously, I'm *thrilled* that this is getting the response it is. After the last couple of years, what with the DVD's not being finished, the comics being cancelled, and the Gatherings ending, I thought that we might be entering "the end times" for this fandom. But this, if you guys and gals can get this off the ground, you could seriously give this fandom a big shot in the arm. And for that, you have my full support.

"If nothing else, it's generating discussion in here." Heck yeah. And now I'm going to fully take credit for jumpstarting the room, even though I had almost nothing to do with it. Why? Because I'm arrogant, and I like to give myself an excuse to pat myself on the back, that's why. :P

Todd : Welcome back! It's great to see you back in here. "I'd do without Madoc altogether if TGS did have such a reboot" Well, I'm kinda torn on that one. On the one hand, I *loved* the whole concept of him being Merlin's father. Like you, that was an aspect of the whole legend that quite intrigued me, but was never fully explored to my satisfaction. And I thought he made perfect sense as a "Pendragon" villain. On the "Gargoyles" end, he was good in his 'Maddox' faze, but was overused later. So part of me wants to see him in this; on the other hand, Greg B.'s suggestion about Merlin and Morgana being siblings also sounds quite *delightful*. This is an excellent twist to the normal story, and one I'd really like to see. So in the end, I can't decide what I want to see.

One way or the other, Maeve would have to be left behind. I can't really see her taking orders from Mab.

So asexuality is usually a sign of evil in your stories? Huh. I guess that makes me a bad guy then. I'll take it. :)

Harvester, Taina : Welcome back! Please stick around. The old place could use a little madness.

Lynati : "it would be nice if we could get people to come write the remaining five seasons" That it would. Personally, I'd like to see both of these projects. Greg and his group sound like they've got some great ideas, but you guys have a more proven track record, and plenty of interesting stories to tell. I really hope someone comes on board and helps to get the project to a fitting completion. I'd offer to help, but my writing skills are absolutely atrocious. They'd make "Harry Potter meets the Gargoyles" sound like Shakespeare (no wait, better than Shakespeare! *Almost* as good as XENOGEARS!). But anyway, about the only way I can contribute to either project is by writing horribly late reviews that don't make a lick of sense.

*looks up* Wow. I've been typing here for six hours. If only you guys knew just how much effort it takes to sound this stupid... anyway, good night all. Keep the posts coming! If we keep going like this the room might actually get *gasp* wiped this year!
Spen
"The only way to tell how far you should go with something is to go too far, then look back to see where you should have stopped."
posted @ Mon, Jun 6, 2011 6:11:22 am EDT from 66.43.205.35

While a reboot would be interesting, it would be nice if we could get people to come write the remaining five seasons (spread across the spinoffs) that we had mostly planned out and partially written before the staff...evaporated.

Anyone who is serious about seeing the original version TGS continue, feel free to email me. We have a framework, but plans can be changed if better twists are suggested. If a staff gets together to do a separate reboot, please post links to the resulting stories here; it would be nice to see this room discussing *something* again.
Lynati - [Lynati_1@hotmail.com]
posted @ Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:23:56 pm EDT from 76.98.205.117

*Smirk*
Chip Coffin - [Sir_Griff723@yahoo.com]
posted @ Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:22:40 pm EDT from 68.58.89.70

CHIP> Don't apologize. I never do. ;)
Greg Bishansky
posted @ Sun, Jun 5, 2011 10:49:50 pm EDT from 68.199.5.105

Greg> Apologies, didn't mean to jump the gun, but yes...there is support...}};-D
Chip Coffin - [Sir_Griff723@yahoo.com]
posted @ Sun, Jun 5, 2011 10:46:30 pm EDT from 68.58.89.70

Hey, Spen. You challenged me to see if I could drum up support, and lookie, lookie. ;)
Greg Bishansky
posted @ Sun, Jun 5, 2011 9:29:18 pm EDT from 68.199.5.105

First of all, I didn't offer anyone a spot on anything, because nothing exists yet. Don't want anyone to get the wrong impression.

That being said, if this does happen, I think we've got some talented people who are eager to help, and I would like to see what any current TGS staff members would think, since they're also talented people.
Greg Bishansky
posted @ Sun, Jun 5, 2011 9:20:04 pm EDT from 68.199.5.105

This is my first time posting here, and though it's a little intimidating, Greg B also offered me a spot on the potential TGS reboot staff, and I am willing and eager to be a part of it.

I've got some ideas, and I've been loving what's been going on at formspring. If you guys want me, I'm all in.
Chip Coffin - [Sir_Griff723@yahoo.com]
posted @ Sun, Jun 5, 2011 9:09:42 pm EDT from 68.58.89.70

Greg B just offered me a spot on the staff. Fortunately for the rest of you I already have a job and I'm lazy as Hell. ;)

But a TGS reboot is something that does excite me a lot. I think the stuff going on at formspring proves there's a real hunger for this sort of thing, plus potential fanfic writers with some real great ideas and a strong grasp of the characters.

I think the old TGS for all of it's flaws provides a valuable source of insight. The new staff can look back on it, see what worked, what didn't.
Algernon
posted @ Sun, Jun 5, 2011 8:31:06 pm EDT from 86.41.99.155

Concerning the TGS reboot: I see no reason why it wouldn't be a good idea. TGS had some well-written stories, but at the end of the day, there was a lot of stuff that still felt like fanfiction, and had a lot of the biases of fanfiction. Just about all of them have already been named, so I won't get into any more.

But I just wanted to say that a TGS reboot would have my support. If this idea does move forward, I don't know how much I'd be able to help at the moment, since my current commute is a real pain in the ass. But I'd be willing to help even in a slight capacity like beta testing.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75@gmail.com]
posted @ Sun, Jun 5, 2011 6:39:22 pm EDT from 97.102.14.96

And from the evidence, alas, Greg's not likely to be able to do a "Gargoyles" launch in the near future. Disney didn't answer BOOM!'s request for a "Gargoyles" comic and seems to be dissolving their partnership, and Marvel doesn't appear to be interested.
Todd Jensen
posted @ Sun, Jun 5, 2011 6:38:22 pm EDT from 4.244.215.29

Wow, when was the last time I posted here?

Anyway, I just wanted to add my two cents about the TGS reboot. I think it's a great idea. We have the comics, we have Ask Greg, we have GargWiki... and Greg has made it very clear that he's not going to spoil us anymore. We have everything we need for a TGS reboot. And who knows? TGS united the fandom once. Maybe a reboot will do it again.

So, Greg B., if you need a writer, an artist, ideas, anything... You name it. I'm with you on this!
D. Taina
posted @ Sun, Jun 5, 2011 6:11:49 pm EDT from 74.213.101.133

SPEN> <<Do you really think you could drum up more people by restarting at the beginning? I don't.>>

Actually, having had the hypothetical discussion with a few people, yes, not only do I think I could, I think I did. So far, in addition to me, four others. I'm confident we could get some more. That's if it gets done at all. That would depend on a few things, of course.
Greg Bishansky
posted @ Sun, Jun 5, 2011 5:40:23 pm EDT from 68.199.5.105

TODD> Yeah, I could see it being done under duress. But then, while she hates Arthur, she might be more Merlin's enemy in the Master Plan.

Especially if my theory about her being the daughter of Oberon and Titania holds true, and she was the changeling switched. That would make her Merlin's biological half-sister.
Greg Bishansky
posted @ Sun, Jun 5, 2011 4:26:58 pm EDT from 68.199.5.105

I wonder whether Morgana might (in Greg's MasterPlan) still hate Arthur by modern times. We know (though it's canon-in-training) that she was one of the three women who took him away to Avalon for healing, something she probably wouldn't have done if she was still his enemy (of course, she might have done it under duress).
Todd Jensen
posted @ Sun, Jun 5, 2011 7:08:33 am EDT from 4.244.213.134

TODD> Those are all very fascinating ideas. Especially about Arthur's crowning.

As for Morgana, well, I'm certain she would have been an antagonist in "Pendragon" anyway. Actually, I wonder if she's Illuminati.
Greg Bishansky
posted @ Sat, Jun 4, 2011 9:19:19 pm EDT from 68.199.5.105

Mary and Finella owning WVRN? I hadn't thought of that before, but it sounds intriguing. (Especially since, until the Phoenix brought them and Brooklyn to the 1970's, they wouldn't even have imagined the existence of something like television. And they were brought into the modern world all of a sudden, like Goliath and his clan or King Arthur, rather than reaching it one day at a time like Demona and Macbeth. At least they had twenty years to adjust to the modern world by the time that Goliath and the other gargoyles awakened.)

As I said before, I don't think I'd want to join another "Gargoyles" fanfiction project if it came out - even if I felt certain that Greg Weisman would never get to do any more "Gargoyles" stories - but I sometimes think about how I'd do another "Pendragon" project if one was made.

1. The flashbacks would revolve far more around how Arthur and his associates - especially those who'd survived to modern times - fitted in with the Gargoyles Universe than around retellings of the familiar legend; I think that was the big mistake of "TGS: Pendragon". I'd have those focus on Arthur's dealings with the gargoyles in Britain during his reign, and also on anything else that would have legacies in the modern world (particularly the Illuminati, which go back to Percival/Peredur - and in a sense, to King Pelles, since he was the Fisher King before Peredur).

2. The Illuminati under Peredur would be the main antagonist, rather than Morgana - especially since I think it would be more original. The part that struck me after reading the Stone of Destiny story in the comics is that the conflict between Arthur and the Illuminati would likely be more original than the regular "villain tries to kill the hero" which we used with Morgana. Peredur is loyal to Arthur, sees himself as on the same side - but Arthur has awakened two hundred years ahead of schedule, jeopardizing the Illuminati's plans. And now Peredur is presumably out to do some damage control, trying to find some way of undoing the problem caused by Arthur leaving Avalon early - and his solution (whatever it is) might not appeal to Arthur. (Not to mention that Arthur might not be too keen on a lot of things that the Illuminati have done - like supporting the Quarrymen, if he finds out about that part.) That would have the potential for an especially rich conflict.

3. I don't know if I'd still have a rejuvenated Merlin, but I do know I'd drop the "son of the Devil" element if I did another "Pendragon" fanfic project (we know that in Greg's MasterPlan, Merlin and Oberon don't get along well, but I suspect for different reasons. One possibility I considered; if Oberon's fling with Merlin's mother was a one-night stand and he afterwards lost interest in her, leaving her to explain on her own to her family about her pregnancy - and to make matters worse, in Geoffrey of Monmouth, she was a nun at the time and the abbess would not have been pleased with the scandal facing the convent - Merlin could be sore at Oberon for that).

Incidentally, the Stone of Destiny story included one tidbit that I would like to adapt for the flashbacks in such a hypothetical "Pendragon" fanfic series. Arthur appears in a poor light in some of the earliest writings about him, a collection of Saints' Lives (trying to steal things from the saints of those stories, for example, and having to do penance for it); some Arthurian scholars believe that this may reflect a clash between Arthur (if there was a real historical Arthur) and the Church. The usual theory is that Arthur might have been taxing Church lands to pay for his wars with the Saxons, and the Church didn't like that. I had the idea that, in the Gargoyles Universe, if Arthur was openly allied with the gargoyle clans of Britain, some of the churchmen at the time might not have liked that (if they were prejudiced against gargoyles and saw them as demons).

But then I read the "Gargoyles" comic book, where King Pelles is portrayed as crowning Arthur after he pulls the Sword out of the Stone, and that gave me another idea. Arthur is being crowned, not by a conventional churchman (like an archbishop) but by Pelles, a priest and guardian of the Holy Grail, but not a regular member of the Church. In the eyes of the Church, Pelles might have been seen as unorthodox, even heretical (the Holy Grail was never officially recognized as part of Christian doctrine in the Middle Ages, confined entirely to Arthurian romance), and a lot of the bishops and monks might have seen Arthur's title as flawed by receiving the crown from an outsider.
Todd Jensen
posted @ Sat, Jun 4, 2011 8:41:14 pm EDT from 4.244.212.128

It would also be interesting to really get into what happened with Mary and Finella after they came to 1970's America.

I suspect they are the owners of WVRN. Greg once said the name of the station was a clue as to who owned it. I suppose it could be Xanatos, but were that the case, I don't think Travis Marshall would be as bluntly honest when talking to and about Xanatos.

I suppose Demona is another possibility, but I cannot see her bothering to get into the media game, at least prior to the founding of Nightstone Unlimited, but even then, that's more up Thailog's alley... similar to how you know the coffee franchise was his idea and not Demona's.

Yeah, I would definitely love to take another stab at Mary, Finella, Owen, Xanatos, Demona, and Brooklyn's story, if we never get to see Greg's version.

As for when Demona and Xanatos first met, well, looking at the GargWiki timeline, with dates provided by Greg, how does this sound to you?

1989. Owen Burnett enters the employment of Cyberbiotics. By now, Fox has acquired her fox-head tattoo.[101] [102]

1991. Owen leaves Cyberbiotics to work for Xanatos. [103] Halcyon and Anastasia Renard divorce [104].
February 28th. [Withheld].
March 1st. [Withheld].

I am, of course, referring to the two dates that have been withheld.
Greg Bishansky
posted @ Sat, Jun 4, 2011 4:15:25 pm EDT from 68.199.5.105

One addition. In the original story, the tengu just tutored Ushiwaka, but in the hypothetical adaptation of the tale to "TimeDancer", I think that the Japanese gargoyles (and the TimeDancing Brooklyn) would fight alongside him and his clan against the rival clan. It would certainly tie in with the mention in "Bushido" of the Ishimura clan's ancestors fighting side by side with human samurai.
Todd Jensen
posted @ Sat, Jun 4, 2011 7:06:06 am EDT from 4.244.210.174

TODD> Ooh, I like that. I like it a lot. This sounds like something we would actually see in canon. Brilliant post.

BTW, the name "Sata" is not Japanese. It would be "Seta"... and that is not a real word anyway. The closest translation to English would be "Was."
Greg Bishansky
posted @ Sat, Jun 4, 2011 2:26:19 am EDT from 68.199.5.105

TODD> That sounds like an interesting idea. I always figured Greg would draw from the history of fuedal Japan for Katana's origin much like he drew from medieval Scottish history to flesh out Demona's backstory.
Algernon
posted @ Fri, Jun 3, 2011 9:04:16 pm EDT from 86.40.244.212

If TGS *was* to get a reboot that would incorporate the elements from "Clan-Building" and "Bad Guys: Redemption", there's one concept I'd like to see in "TimeDancer" for the story where Brooklyn would meet Katana in feudal Japan.

We now know from "Redemption" what I'd suspected after seeing "Bushido", that Japanese gargoyles are the originals of the tengu of Japanese legend. There's a story about the tengu helping a young Japanese nobleman named Ushiwaka, whose clan had been overthrown by a rival clan and who had been forced into exile to a remote monastery. Ushiwaka, longing to restore his clan to its original fortunes, sought out the tengu and learned Bushido from them, then defeated the rival clan.

I think this would make a good backdrop to Brooklyn's adventures in feudal Japan (in the same way that the Battle of Rathveramoen formed the backdrop to Brooklyn's first TimeDancer adventure).
Todd Jensen
posted @ Fri, Jun 3, 2011 8:32:06 pm EDT from 4.244.209.171

GREG> My only real gripe with Madoc is how he and the Unseelie seemed to become the default big bads of the TGS-verse almost overnight, pushing canon villains like Demona, Thailog and the Illuminati out of the spotlight.

Again, not that there's anything inherently wrong with the Unseelie as Gargoyles villains (One could easily slot them into the Weisman canon as Mab loyalists), but they need to be balanced out with established villains.
Algernon
posted @ Fri, Jun 3, 2011 7:11:28 pm EDT from 86.41.100.95

BISHANSKY - Thanks. I do have a malevolent faerie king in my Arthurian tales, though he differs from Madoc in a few ways. I can't say too much about him yet (I don't want to spoil anyone here when the books get published), but a few differences between my "faerie king" and Madoc:

1. The faerie king of my story is the ruler over the faerie world, rather than an exile (in fact, the exiled faerie-folk are often friendly to the protagonists).

2. He's not related to Merlin (the protagonist).

3. He's coldly asexual, in contrast to Madoc lusting after Titania. (Since my "big bads" in my own fiction writing are generally that way, I'm amazed still that I came up with that character trait for Madoc. Maybe his being Merlin's father - which implied that he'd had sex at least once - had something to do with it.)

I've noticed a few eerie (to use Algernon's word) correspondences and echoes between the revelations of the "Gargoyles" comic book and TGS, incidentally. Most of the similarities came from the staff's knowledge of Greg's MasterPlan, of course (such as "TimeDancer"), but a few things went beyond that:

1. Merlin was responsible for the Stone of Destiny being brought to London to be the Stone in the "Sword in the Stone".

I'd hypothesized that to reconcile the Stone of Destiny's traditional history with the mention in "Pendragon" that Arthur had drawn Excalibur from it at the beginning of his reign - and it was certainly a natural assumption. The comic book revealed that I was partly right - but that Merlin was partnered with King Pelles, which I hadn't expected. (The details of when Merlin borrowed the Stone were also different; Greg Weisman had him borrow it from Prince Fergus on his way to Scotland to found Dalriada, while I had Merlin borrow the Stone while it was still in Ireland.)

2. The most prominent member of the London clan's youngest generation.

In both cases, a female gargoyle whose name begins with "Lu". TGS named her Lucy (after the Lucy of "The Chronicles of Narnia") and gave her a lioness template; Greg Weisman named her Lunette and gave her a unicorn template. (The name "Lunette" intrigues me, tying in with a suspicion I've had about gargoyle adventures during King Arthur's reign, but that's for another post.)

3. Constantine's villainy.

This one didn't make it to public TGS, but when the staff was brainstorming Brooklyn's early Timedancing adventures, somebody wanted a scene where Constantine would put to death a soldier who'd failed to capture Mary and Finella. This was rejected (largely because executing your own men for failure seemed too cliched and foolish - you'd soon find it difficult to attract new men in service or keep the old ones), but I thought it paralleled Constantine, in the comic book, executing the Grim's messenger - in defiance of medieval etiquette (even Gillecomgain's father looks uneasy about it).

(For that matter, I suggested Brooklyn visiting Castle Wyvern and encountering his own stone self - an idea which the staff also rejected, but which showed up in the comic book when Brooklyn visited Castle Wyvern with Mary and Finella.)

Speaking of "TimeDancer", I can't help thinking that Greg's notion of how Brooklyn gets sent from one century to the next - not through a haywire Phoenix Gate after all, but through the Phoenix that rises roaring from the Gate's remains - would have made life a lot easier for the "TGS: Timedancer" staff if we'd known about it!
Todd Jensen
posted @ Fri, Jun 3, 2011 6:57:12 pm EDT from 4.244.209.106

TODD> I'll agree that Madoc is a great villain, but maybe he's just not a great "Gargoyles" villain. Todd, you've said you're working on an Arthurian novel, you could always cannibalize the character and use him in a new creation like that, if you haven't already.

I'll freely admit to taking two TGS characters I created, and re-imagining them for a screenplay of mine. Granted there are now no longer any fantasy elements, so they are both very human characters. The both of them never met in TGS. One (in my mind, TGS never got that far) died long before the other was born, so they never met and would never meet. Of course, in my screenplay, these two characters are now related.

Of course, I find they work better in the new setting. They are not the same characters their TGS counterparts would have been. The best analogy I can make is Dakota to Demona.
Greg Bishansky
posted @ Fri, Jun 3, 2011 4:36:34 pm EDT from 68.199.5.105

Guess I'll settle for Fang.

TODD> I don't think Madoc was that bad a character. As I understand it, the character was created before Greg had revealed the connection between Oberon and Merlin or the existence of Mab. In fact, given that Madoc was baiscally Oberon's evil twin, your guess was as to Merlin's parentage was prett eeriy. And the whole Merlin vs. his demonic father thing is definetly a dynamic I'd like to see someone explor outside the context of the Gargoyles Universe.
Algernon
posted @ Fri, Jun 3, 2011 1:06:37 pm EDT from 78.143.160.1

Haven't visited this room in ages, but Bishansky told me about the discussion, and I thought I'd comment.

I'll admit that I don't think I'd volunteer for another TGS-type project; after reading "Clan-Building" and comparing it to TGS, I've decided I'd rather let Greg Weisman tell "Gargoyles" stories than try continuing his unfinished tales. I hope I'm not offending any of my former fellow staff-members (I know this isn't going to offend Bishansky), but I think that a lot of Greg's ideas as revealed in "Clan-Building" worked better.

Bishansky mentioned Duval's identity, and I'll agree that I always found the notion of Duval being Lancelot difficult to handle (Lancelot's death too firmly documented, and what motive did he have for engaging in running a scheming secret society?). Percival running the Illuminati from Carbonek on the other hand - that I found convincing. Percival had a ready-made explanation for his being still alive fifteen centuries later (kept alive by the Holy Grail) and a purpose for running the Illuminati (he knows that something bad is going to happen that Arthur's supposed to come back for - though he probably doesn't know that it's the Space-Spawn invasion of 2198 - and wants to prepare for Arthur's return). In fact, we only gave Lancelot the Duval role, I recall, because somebody vaguely remembered Greg Weisman saying that (probably a false memory - the person who said that even sounded uncertain).

I'd do without Madoc altogether if TGS did have such a reboot - at least, from the perspective of the guy who suggested the character. His real purpose in TGS was that I thought that the concept in medieval romance of Merlin being the Devil's son, begotten to serve as the Devil's instrument in corrupting the world, but rejecting that role, had a lot of potential that the romancers never did anything with (or modern-day writers either - with the exception of the NBC mini-series in the late 90's that gave Queen Mab the Devil's role). But we know now that, in Greg Weisman's Master Plan, Oberon is Merlin's father, and while Oberon has his faults, he seems more like a well-intentioned but "out of touch" ruler who can't imagine things from the perspective of the people he's dealing with than a full-scale tyrant. So the concept of Merlin as rejecting his father's malevolent designs wouldn't work there. Everything else that Madoc did in TGS, if necessary to the story, could be simply transferred to other characters, ranging from Thailog to Queen Mab. (I don't know if I'd still go for the rejuvenated Merlin, though the idea does appeal to me.)
Todd Jensen
posted @ Thu, Jun 2, 2011 6:31:21 pm EDT from 4.244.214.23

*Mumbles to himself* What no Coldsteel avatar?

Oh hey there guys,

I know I don't usualy hang out here but Bishansky called me in for back him up, he's kind of a wuss like that. ;)

Admittedly I never got that much into TGS, I only made it about halfway through the second "season" before losing interest. So while I'm probably not that qualified to comment, I'll throw my two cent out there.

I do think there's a lot of merit in what Greg B is saying. With the SLG books now firmly in canon, TGS looks more like some strange alternate universe then an actual continuation of Greg's master plan.
Algernon
posted @ Thu, Jun 2, 2011 1:25:16 pm EDT from 86.42.122.85

SPEN> First of all, I'm not trying to step on anyone's toes. It's just a discussion. Maybe a proposal, maybe not. Depends on if there is interest. If not, no big deal. If there is, cool.

See, the old stories would still be there. They'd be archived on the site, so they'd be there. It would be a slap in the face if they got deleted from the site, that I agree.

But, I am looking this along the lines of, old TGS is the Tim Burton/Joel Schumacher Batman series. New TGS would be the Chris Nolan Batman series. Okay, that's just an analogy, but I think it's a decent one. A lot of people worked hard on the old movies. Was it a slap in the face to come in and have Chris Nolan reboot it? Of course not. Was it cheap? Hell no. Was it better? I damn well think so.

But, before I left TGS, I was told that I didn't care. I was outraged at first, but honestly, the person who said that was right. The TGS Universe was not a universe I wanted to play in any longer. A lot of the stories I had in the works at the time felt more like damage control than anything else. I wanted to rectify what I perceived as missteps. And once I realized that, well, what was the point?

Honestly, TGS took a lot of wrong turns. Hell, as I mentioned before, they stopped being gargoyles and became humans with wings. Their entire culture was stripped away from them and pretty early on. Human weddings for them. Nuclear families. Well, I already went there.

I've already mentioned how TGS lost the main villain of the franchise too. With a reboot, Demona could be handled correctly. And believe me when I say I have ideas for her from 1997 all the way to 2199 and beyond.

And I missed scheming, Machiavellian Xanatos. The gargoyles are living with their enemy. And that never really got explored in TGS. He was TGC's Mr. Sappy Good Guy.

The Quarrymen were the TGC Quarrymen through and through. Just a bunch of one dimensional thugs who turned into another street gang, and a John Castaway who was a frothing at the mouth cartoon character. Totally not what they were meant to be. And I have never been able to get past them being brought down by a conflict between two brothers who were not the Canmore brothers.

Not to mention things like TGS being unable to keep even its own rules and continuity straight. Okay, so in one story it is said that Children of Oberon cannot create life with their magic... and then in another story, Titania magically creates all new flesh and blood bodies for Coldstone and Coldfire out of thin air? Never mind how that cheapens their original "deaths" and the entire Wyvern Massacre with it.

And when did the Space-Spawn... I'm sorry, "Nemesis Incursion" take place? One story says 2158 but that didn't end up happening in the TGS timeline.

Duval was declared to be Sir Lancelot and no one could ever come up with a reason for why he was still alive and leading the Illuminati. It never happened. You'd think such a thing would be important.

There are other examples, I know. But it's been many years since I read these.

And I'm not saying not all of the new material is salvageable. You could take a look at TGS characters, hold them under a microscope, see which ones could fit in there and which ones couldn't, and re-imagine them for the new universe.

In season four, Demona and Thailog were going to go to war over Nightstone Unlimited. Considering the current status quo of Nightstone in the comics, that story can still be done, if put through the prism of the new situation.

But look at the fascinating new characters that could be played with. Shari for one, who is a lot of fun. Peredur fab Ragnal, Duval, Coco, Amp, Thug, Benny, Erin, Falstaff and his gang, the Director... just to name a few. Oh, and definitely Katana, Gnash, and Fu-Dog. Plus the eventual hatching of Egwardo into Tachi. Not to mention Queen Mab and other characters Greg has hinted at.

I wouldn't be opposed to bringing back, for example, Sara Jasper, Garlon, Apep, or even Andrea Calhoun. Although put them through the prism of the new universe and re-imagine them. Of course, Sara would have to do more and contribute more other than just becoming Matt's girlfriend, did she ever do anything after that? Andrea Calhoun would likely not be befriending Demona this time, but there are other things to do with her, without compromising Demona's character. Make Garlon a Mab loyalist. Apep, well, you'd have to define what dragons are and aren't this time. Even Madoc is still usable, just make him the son that was loyal to Mab, or something.

Of course, I think it would be best to use a canon character in a role before resorting to new characters. That's how TGS ended up with the Harrisons when the Canmores should have been used. Again, put it all under a microscope.

Overall, if we this was done, I think we would end up with a series far truer to the spirit of the canon.

Hey, here's a story. Remember in "Bad Guys" when Sevarius was going to mutate Hunter with gargoyle DNA? Really explore that. You know how some people want to turn Elisa into a gargoyle permanently in a misguided attempt to make her relationship with Goliath "easier." Use this to show that Elisa would never change, that being a human is fundamental to who she is.

And, something else, I think as a new system instead of these big huge seasons which take forever to come together, just do short, six "episode" story arcs at once. Like "Clan Building." You do your arc, but have an overall plan for your next few arcs, with a tiers and tent pole system, so you have a good idea of where you're going, but can explore and discover things along the way. It would also be a good way to get more spin-offs out if they were inclined.

I'm not saying the TGS Staff, if there is still a TGS Staff, has to do this at all. Just discussing it, and if there is interest, maybe making it a proposal. But, if not, no big deal.

If nothing else, it's generating discussion in here.
Greg Bishansky
posted @ Thu, Jun 2, 2011 6:58:48 am EDT from 68.199.5.105

I'm not entirely certain I have the right to post this. This is a staff matter, after all, and I have never been on staff. However, I am feeling the need to speak about this, so I shall give my (rather worthless) two cents.

Greg B. : I don't really like the idea of a complete re-boot. I have a number of reasons for this. One, we seem to have plenty of trouble having enough staff for the series as is. Do you really think you could drum up more people by restarting at the beginning? I don't.

Secondly, if I were a current staff member, and all of a sudden the project head were to say "okay, we're ditching everything you guys have been working on for season 4 for the last eight years, and starting from scratch." I'd scream.

Thirdly, I am a firm believer in "whatever happened, happened". What's done is done. Yes, some things might have been done better (heck, I agree with all but one of your points), but when all's said and done, it's what was written, therefore it's what we're stuck with. The whole idea of a re-boot just sounds cheap to me.

Finally, and most importantly to me, a *lot* of people put in a lot of hard work to get us to where we are now. And certain gripes aside, what we got was good. Was it as good as Greg's comics? Of course not. Was it the best fanfiction ever written? Well, some stories came pretty close, but ultimatly, no. Was it better than TGC? Hell yes. Was it of a consistantly good quality? In my opinion, yes. So to bring this rambling note to it's point, deciding to throw out everything that was written just strikes me as a huge slap in the face to every single person who worked on this project. Now, since you're one of those people, it's pretty obvious that you don't agree with me. And that's fine. But I felt like I should speak up on behalf of the other side, seeing as how I'm the idiot who brought this all up in the first place.

Incidentally, you're totally right about the PIT. PIT crews are for NASCAR, not Gargoyles.

Dear gods, am I really still up this late? Must be going now. Sorry if I stuck my foot in my mouth too much there.
Spen
"The only way to tell how far you should go with something is to go too far, then look back to see where you should have stopped."
posted @ Thu, Jun 2, 2011 5:03:37 am EDT from 66.43.205.35

Yeah, I realize a lot of people will disagree with that last post of mine. But it's a thought I've had a few times over the last year.

Although, a TGS reboot would avoid one of the larger TGS missteps, by not turning the gargoyles into humans with wings... nuclear families, etc.

;)
Greg Bishansky
posted @ Thu, Jun 2, 2011 3:04:39 am EDT from 68.199.5.105

Honestly, if there were to be more TGS, at this point I'd say reboot the entire thing and start over from where both the "Gargoyles" and "Bad Guys" comics left off.

It would solve a lot of the problems like the contradictions that TGS had within it's own continuity.

It would also fix characters who were taken in directions that didn't fit their characters, like Demona's two hundred years early reformation. Or Xanatos who was based on his TGC incarnation more than his canon incarnation.

PIT was a TGC invention anyway and really shouldn't have been in this.

Toss out Madoc, bring in Queen Mab.

We also now would have a truly defined Illuminati Society to play with. We've seen the leadership, we know how their ranking works. They are less nebulous now.

What is Thailog up to with all that gargoyle DNA he stole?

Who are the Redemption Squad working for?

And all the original characters who were someone's pet character before their creator left TGS and were left in limbo would be taken care of. As for original TGS characters, you could examine which ones would fit well in the new continuity and re-imagine them for it. You could look at what worked and what didn't, and go from there.

Not to mention look at the wealth of canon-in-training we've already got. There are years and years worth of story material there.

Hey, everything else is getting a reboot, why not TGS?

Just a thought.
Greg Bishansky
posted @ Thu, Jun 2, 2011 3:00:23 am EDT from 68.199.5.105

Well, today is (or rather was) the 13th anniversary of the creation of this room. This seems like as good a time as any to say this.

I don't like doing this. I *really* don't like doing this. Heaven knows, I've been backing the staff 100% when they've said that season 4 is coming. I've answered this question on the staff's behalf in the past. I've ignored Greg B. and Robby, and anyone else who's said "it's never coming out". And I can't stand people who whine out the question "when is the next episode coming out?" However, it's been well over two years since anyone has said *anything* about any work on the next season being done. And speaking for myself, I like to hear little notes every now and then, just to allay (sp?) doubts. So my question, and I hope it's not too annoying, is "What is the current status of TGS? Have we decided that it will officially not come out? Is any progress being made?" Again, I'm very sorry to whoever answers this (probably Lynati) for being such a pest, but I gotta' know. I'm sure I'm not the only person who's been wondering.

Dang, this is the first post I've made that was long enough to justify a picture in two years.
Spen
"The only way to tell how far you should go with something is to go too far, then look back to see where you should have stopped."
posted @ Wed, Jun 1, 2011 11:57:49 pm EDT from 66.43.205.35

I have a really old computer. Highest version of IE it can handle is IE4. That's probably the problem.
Spen
posted @ Tue, May 24, 2011 4:25:41 pm EDT from 66.43.205.35

Thank you for answering my question. I have no problems with this site. Maybe you have a virus on your pc or the page works at my pc because of the ie9 (Internet Explorer 9). But better you wait for another answer because I don´t know much about computers.
Anonymous
posted @ Tue, May 24, 2011 11:53:26 am EDT from 87.145.67.194

You'd have to ask Guandalug. And he hasn't been seen in years.

By the way, I haven't been able to access Station 8 in over a year. Every time I go to the site, my computer crashes. Is anyone else having this problem, or is it just me?
Spen
posted @ Mon, May 23, 2011 6:03:59 pm EDT from 66.43.205.35

I have a question. The European Mirror Page doesn´t work. Do anybody know, when they will come back?
Anonymous
posted @ Mon, May 23, 2011 5:26:32 pm EDT from 87.145.68.107

Fistandantilus> It's coming back online, and changing servers. You should post in the Station Eight Comment Room to keep up with that, this place is largely dead.
Anonymous
posted @ Fri, Apr 29, 2011 6:40:05 pm EDT from 68.199.5.105

Errrr... It is me or has the gargwiki (the dracandros based one) gone offline?
Fistandantilus
Die, you fool!
posted @ Thu, Apr 28, 2011 2:44:41 pm EDT from 95.18.16.81

In this reality tv show "The Trickster", I heard they will blur the images of the contestants and change their voices because some of the assignments will be . . . let's just say more creative.
dph_of_rules
Whatever happened to simplicity?
posted @ Wed, Mar 30, 2011 9:02:14 pm EDT from 70.252.80.70

I hear there's a new reality tv show on WVRN. It's called "The Trickster" or have I got the name wrong of that new show? ;-)
dph_of_rules
whatever happened to simplicity?
posted @ Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:49:51 pm EDT from 70.252.87.24

We keep going, walk steady and hope our bellybuttons don't fall out.
Edit Death
posted @ Sun, Mar 6, 2011 7:36:51 pm EST from 98.151.208.35

Ok, I want to know who authorized importing California eathquakes into Central Arkansas especially within 20 miles of my house. Yes, I've been experiencing earthquakes here. How do you guys who live in those areas deal with the everyday reality of possible earthquakes? I've experienced 4.7 over here.
dph_of_rules
Whatever happened to simplicity
posted @ Wed, Mar 2, 2011 9:08:05 pm EST from 70.128.58.225

gxb - Keith David's name was on the tip of my tongue when I typed that.

Wow, I thought my last post would gather more posts than that.
dph of rules
Whatever happened to simplicity
posted @ Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:51:30 pm EST from 98.20.175.119

GregX> Maybe in DPH's world, Gargoyles are real and we're the show :)
Thomas Forsyth - [tmlforsyth at gmail dot com]
posted @ Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:22:33 pm EST from 96.224.129.98

DPH> That actor has a name, and it is Keith David.
Greg Bishansky
posted @ Mon, Jan 24, 2011 8:04:56 pm EST from 68.199.5.105

So what does everybody think about Goliath's character in "The Cape"?
dph_of_rules
Whatever happenned to simplicity?
posted @ Sun, Jan 23, 2011 6:27:23 pm EST from 69.149.252.162

This is a record. Three years all on one board post.

Lynati> Thank you. I am halfway to my Masters. Too bad there is a hiring freeze in NYC for teachers.
Thomas Forsyth - [tmlforsyth at gmail dot com]
posted @ Fri, Jan 14, 2011 9:25:09 pm EST from 71.190.3.38

Fire Storm: Congrats to you both!

GB: Glad you made it home. I hope school is going well.
Lynati
posted @ Mon, Jan 10, 2011 5:45:04 pm EST from 76.98.205.117

Nice to see people around. Hey, is this one of the 1st 10 posts of the new years here?
dph of rules
Whatever happened to simplicity
posted @ Fri, Jan 7, 2011 3:40:18 pm EST from 98.20.174.71

I live.

LM's expecting (May).

Life is good :)
Fire Storm
posted @ Thu, Jan 6, 2011 10:45:35 pm EST from 208.77.28.236

Greetings to all over the last few years. I am out of the Army, after spending 15 months in Iraq, and am in grad school to become a teacher. I've been living in Northeast Queens for almost two years, so I've had quite a journey. I'm also 60% disabled.

Times have changed in what will soon be the 13th year of TGS CR.
Thomas Forsyth - [tmlforsyth at gmail dot com]
posted @ Sun, Jan 2, 2011 11:54:51 pm EST from 174.79.7.164

Roll Call. Sound Off.
Staringer - [x]
posted @ Sun, Jan 2, 2011 12:16:05 am EST from 65.55.67.186

A slightly belated Merry Christmas to all!
Spen
posted @ Sun, Dec 26, 2010 2:03:20 am EST from 66.43.205.35

MERRY CHRISTMAS!
Lynati
posted @ Sat, Dec 25, 2010 7:09:15 pm EST from 173.66.146.13

Lunar eclipse tonight clouds willing
Staringer
posted @ Mon, Dec 20, 2010 7:54:24 pm EST from 65.55.67.166

*wave^s*

Merry christmas to all.
Old Time Reader
posted @ Mon, Dec 20, 2010 6:08:22 am EST from 193.144.197.164

Cast pages are fixed now. Thank you for pointing that out! : )
Lynati
posted @ Sat, Dec 18, 2010 2:45:45 am EST from 76.98.205.117

Did the link to "miscellaneous" ever work? Anybody here remember?
Lynati
posted @ Sat, Dec 18, 2010 2:14:23 am EST from 76.98.205.117

We're looking into it...

Also, remind me to write Guan and have him update the email listed on this CR add comment page to the one we actually *use* since TGS doesn't have code control over its CR.
Lynati
posted @ Sat, Dec 18, 2010 2:11:29 am EST from 76.98.205.117

I remember when Josh "Imzadi" used to fight for the NIEN space on the top ten.

Those were the Good Times.

Happy Holidays. I miss you guys.

I'd wipe the room for the New Year, if I still had the password.

<3
Lurkingfish - [emlee at lurkingfish dot com]
posted @ Fri, Dec 17, 2010 11:58:38 pm EST from 66.183.47.50

Oh yea I wonder what a certain hiding animal that lives underwater thinks of the wikileaks story.
dph of rules
Whatever happened to simplicity
posted @ Sun, Dec 12, 2010 6:40:36 pm EST from 70.245.12.65

Spen - your best bet for getting that problem solved is contacting Lynati. I don't get regular 'net access anymore. I do good to visit once or twice a week for a few hours total.
dph of rules
Whatever happened to simplicity
posted @ Sun, Dec 12, 2010 6:37:46 pm EST from 70.245.12.65

The cast page seems to be the only broken one, however, there is no link to the miscellaneous pictures.
Spen
posted @ Sun, Dec 5, 2010 7:54:04 pm EST from 66.43.205.35

The pictures in the cast pages are broken; I haven't checked the rest. Any chances they'll be reuploaded?
clyde
posted @ Wed, Dec 1, 2010 6:12:56 pm EST from 134.53.180.132

DPH : "12 hours working straight will do that to a person." I concour. I've done entirely too many of those this year. (Including one month straight) And with my 25 mile commute, I haven't got much of an alternative to driving home. Usually I just sing as loudly as a can to keep myself awake.
Spen
posted @ Thu, Nov 11, 2010 5:47:48 pm EST from 66.43.205.35

I had around 370 voters yesterday in my voting precient. Last night, on my way home after delivering election materials back to the courthouse, I released I shouldn't be driving - my reaction time was sucky and was extremely mentally exhausted. 12 hours working straight will do that to a person.

That's my irrelevant conversation to add to this cr.
dph_of_rules
Whatever happened to simplicity?
posted @ Wed, Nov 3, 2010 1:57:09 pm EDT from 69.154.61.139

Happy Halloween to all
Boadicea
posted @ Sat, Oct 30, 2010 5:06:41 pm EDT from 69.24.113.122

There were no new conversations, so nobody bothered checking in here, so there were no new conversations...vicious cycle, really.
Lynati - [Lynati_1 at hotmail dot com]
posted @ Mon, Oct 25, 2010 4:06:13 pm EDT from 76.98.205.117

Happy Gargoyles day, everynone!

Over a month since the last post. 34 posts total for this year. Even for us, that's pathetic.
Spen
posted @ Sun, Oct 24, 2010 2:23:39 pm EDT from 66.43.205.35

Pretty much all of gargs-fans.org (which the comment room here is *not* hosted on) was down for a couple days, I'm assuming for server maintenance.

Don't worry, TGS has other back-ups besides just the European mirror site.

Spen: Thanks! It's nice to be remembered.
Lynati - [Lynati_1 at hotmail dot com]
posted @ Tue, Sep 21, 2010 5:48:44 pm EDT from 76.98.205.117

Hi everyone! I'm another long-time fan who grew up with the series and recently rediscovered the fandom. I love the TGF website, mostly for the fanfics and of course the Saga. Unfortunately, I've noticed that as of a couple of days ago the website wouldn't load when I tried to get on it. I've checked my internet connection, and it's not that. Is the site down for maintenance or something? I've tried emailing the site manager but I just read a post that they haven't been 'seen' in awhile. Does anyone know what's up? I'm really hoping to see the site back up because there were fanfics there I really wanted to finish reading and a couple of favorites I don't want to see vanish. At least the European mirror site for the Saga is intact so I can content myself with that for the time being.

~Kittyhawke~
Kittyhawke - [direwolfstorm at aim dot com]
posted @ Mon, Sep 20, 2010 11:50:18 am EDT from 69.112.218.213

Happy birthday, Lynati!
Spen
posted @ Sun, Sep 12, 2010 12:53:08 pm EDT from 66.43.205.35

Oh, and to be helpful, post it on fanfiction.net and be done with it.

And before anyone else says I'm being mean: Greg Weisman already responded to this guy with:

"You can try to ask Disney.

But on principal, I'm not going to encourage you. Personally, I'd prefer you write something based on your own creation and publish that... as opposed to piggy-backing on something of mine."
Greg Bishansky - [<----- Make a real "Gargoyles" movie, Disney!]
Make a real "Gargoyles" movie, Disney!
posted @ Fri, Aug 27, 2010 7:19:32 pm EDT from 68.199.5.105

Lorranon of Oberon> Unless your name is Greg Weisman, and I know it's not, I am uninterested in you publishing your fanfiction.
Greg Bishansky - [<----- Make a real "Gargoyles" movie, Disney!]
Make a real "Gargoyles" movie, Disney!
posted @ Fri, Aug 27, 2010 7:10:40 pm EDT from 68.199.5.105

I need help from all the Gargoyle fans out there. Everyone wants the return of Gargoyles and in some ways, weLve gotten our wish. We have season one and half of season two on dvd. Comics are coming out and we're pressuring disney to make a movie about OUR gargoyles. I have written a novel, the first in a planned series of 12, starting from the day after the clan saves a train full of people, the last episode. I need help getting permission to get it published. I need support
Lorranon of Oberon - [dragonman2184 at yahoo dot com]
LoO
posted @ Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:09:33 am EDT from 97.137.7.155

I have started a facebook group about this, ahem "movie." If you have a facebook, please join. Please encourage your friends to join.

Spread the word!

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=142182852459700&v=wall

If you don't have a facebook, it's easy enough to get one. We need as many people as we can get.

But, more than that, we need to MAKE NOISE!

This goes beyond spreading the word about the DVD's or the comics, the entire property might be at stake here.

So, make noise, and don't shut up.
Greg Bishansky - [<----- Make a real "Gargoyles" movie, Disney!]
Make a real "Gargoyles" movie, Disney!
posted @ Wed, Jul 14, 2010 5:39:01 pm EDT from 68.199.5.105

Yeah, I'm still here. You know that the room has died when I didn't even point out that June first was the CR's twelfth birthday.
Spen
posted @ Sun, Jun 27, 2010 11:05:26 am EDT from 66.43.205.35

June 21 7:28 ET midsummer begins. Its been 6 weeks is anybody alive?
Staringer
posted @ Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:40:16 am EDT from 65.55.67.165

Wow! This was my favorite cartoon when I was younger and through a random search for something completely unrelated I found this site. This is amazing!! I can't wait to read the series posted here! And I will definitely have to look up the comics. Thanks for creating this site and for keeping it going for 10+ years!!
Michelle - [chelle_belle81 at hotmail dot com]
posted @ Thu, Apr 15, 2010 3:59:58 pm EDT from 74.7.114.213

I will have to look for those!! Thanks for welcoming me! :) I am glad that I know other people who love this show as much as I do! :)
Samantha Wood
Sammie
posted @ Wed, Apr 7, 2010 12:09:24 am EDT from 67.86.37.42

Samantha : Hello, and welcome to the room! Always nice to get some new faces around here. Incidentally, have you read the new (ish) Gargoyles comics? They were written by the series creator, and were, in my opinion, an excellent continuation.
Spen
posted @ Tue, Apr 6, 2010 10:13:07 pm EDT from 66.43.205.35

So, I totally love this show, I miss it terribly and I am so glad I found this site!
Thank you SOOO MUCH! I <3 you! The only time I ever got to watch it was when I go to Disney World and watch Toon Disney in the morning. So thank you again and I am going to be watching this like 24/7 now! <3
Samantha Wood - [MrsINK13 at aol dot com]
Samantha Wood
posted @ Tue, Apr 6, 2010 9:35:40 pm EDT from 67.86.37.42

Has anybody seen/heard from Guandalug la'Fay in the past 2 years? It's a shame that the gfw has been abandoned, but I wonder what it's purpose is now that we have the gargwiki.
dph_of_rules
Whatever happened to simplicity
posted @ Sun, Feb 14, 2010 2:15:40 am EST from 98.20.251.240

MMO = Massively Multiplayer Online game(Warcraft, EVE, probably others)
Fire Storm
posted @ Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:04:40 pm EST from 208.77.28.236

DPH : Um, what the heck is an MMO?
Spen
posted @ Tue, Feb 9, 2010 8:42:08 pm EST from 66.43.205.35

what's really bad is that some of the volunteers in charge would screw over the vets of that mmo in a heartbeat.
dph_of_rules
Whatever happened to simplicity
posted @ Tue, Feb 9, 2010 12:54:47 am EST from 98.20.251.240

One in beta, Firestorm. They've had money hackers already, resulting in ridiculous inflation. The warnings about MMOs are too true.
dph_of_rules
Whatever happened to simplicity
posted @ Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:37:32 pm EST from 98.20.179.193

Oh? What MMO?
Fire Storm
posted @ Sun, Feb 7, 2010 3:40:07 pm EST from 75.41.108.191

I haven't forgotten. But I found myself in an MMO.
dph_of_rules
Whatever happened to simplicity
posted @ Sun, Feb 7, 2010 2:59:41 am EST from 98.20.179.193

Ironwolf : Whoa, welcome back! Even *I* can't remember when you last posted; and since I'm the one with photographic memory, that's saying something! Good to see ya' back, anyway.

Oh yeah, if he's still lurking here, happy birthday, DPH!
Spen
posted @ Tue, Feb 2, 2010 11:17:42 pm EST from 66.43.205.35

been 10 years nice to know that the site is still here.
ironwolf - [ironwolf16 at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:07:06 pm EST from 68.212.233.169

Well, it's now February 2, groundhog's day and only seven people have waved. Maybe the ground hog will if he see's his shadow.
Staringer
posted @ Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:43:14 am EST from 65.55.67.202

I'm posting primarily because the current topic gives me a chance to use the following signature.
Harvester of Eyes
"I've been dead before." -Spock ("Star Trek VI")
posted @ Mon, Jan 25, 2010 7:37:54 pm EST from 70.177.182.14

Na, I died last week. Sad tale too.
Fire Storm
posted @ Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:28:16 am EST from 75.41.108.191

Well, it's taken 13 days for 5 people to actually wave at us and say HI!.

Green Baron it's nice to see you're doing OK.

Anyone else still alive???
Staringer
posted @ Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:13:56 am EST from 4.176.117.51

Hello all. I just came by and saw two years of posting since the last wipe. Not much is going on with me,other than I start classes at the end of this month, and am settling in NYC nicely. It is hard to imagine that I spent the majority of the last decade in the Army. I'm out now and ready to use the new post 9-11 GI Bill, but I'm on disability so I didn't leave the Army entirely in one piece, but Uncle Sam is looking out for me, thanks to the American Legion.

I hope all is going well with you guys.
Thomas Forsyth - [tmlforsyth at gmail dot com]
posted @ Wed, Jan 13, 2010 4:11:31 pm EST from 68.173.157.249

I am sorry if my last post was too... [_____]
I just really like Lex and Future Tense, though an excelent episode was a very concerning experience. I don't know about the rest of you but now i can't shake the feeling I'm gonna see Lex portraid as something he simply isn't and should not be. I'd like to know if anyone agrees btw.
Ado
posted @ Wed, Jan 6, 2010 5:02:58 am EST from 121.216.214.16

Okay, here's he thing. i was just reading timedancer and enjoying it a lot but about halfway through the second chapter there was a mention of Lex's fate and how Brooklyn would want to change it and I cannot let this slide. There are many things in the episode Future Tense can stand with in the real thing but not that. Lex is the kindest little garg and I don't think I'm the only one who'd be very unhappy if the events in future tense concerning him are anything more than a scary vision. I realise it is unwise to post on this before finishing the story but I sure hope that bit was designed to scare people and not hint at what comes next. Cyber-Lex is a fantasy, he will never be evil.
Ado
posted @ Wed, Jan 6, 2010 4:54:38 am EST from 121.216.214.16

three!
Dezi
posted @ Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:09:35 pm EST from 65.29.77.28

Why do I have the feeling that this top ten race will last till June?
Spen
posted @ Mon, Jan 4, 2010 10:55:03 pm EST from 66.43.205.35

New Year's Roll Call!!!

Spen is Number One.
Staringer
posted @ Fri, Jan 1, 2010 7:34:03 am EST from 65.55.67.167

First for the year! Happy New Year, everyone! (How many times will I say that in this CR week?)
Spen
posted @ Fri, Jan 1, 2010 4:45:56 am EST from 66.43.205.35

Boy, not a creature has been stirring for several years.

Have a safe and prosperous 2010. Happy New Years!
Taleweaver
posted @ Wed, Dec 30, 2009 6:34:56 pm EST from 71.165.148.243

Eh, better late than never. Merry Christmas, everyone!
editdeath
posted @ Tue, Dec 29, 2009 12:01:19 pm EST from 98.154.130.75

Yikes, even *I* forgot to say "merry Christmas" in here. That's sad.
Spen
posted @ Sun, Dec 27, 2009 10:25:53 pm EST from 66.43.205.35

Merry Christmas, tiny quiet room.
Lynati
posted @ Sat, Dec 26, 2009 3:11:20 am EST from 173.66.161.233

Thanks for the info. I enjoyed that interview with Greg.
Jasmine - [suarezjasmine at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Fri, Dec 18, 2009 8:39:55 pm EST from 24.44.200.14

Hi all. Just wanted to spread the word that The Initiative Show's interview with Greg Weisman is now available.

Look for The Initiative Show podcast on iTunes. The interview with Greg is in Part 2 of the episode "November Shot."

It will also be uploaded soon to http://www.theinitiativeshow.com

Additionally, you can check us out on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/home.php?tab=1#/pages/The-Initiative-Podcast/154540820096?ref=sgm
Eric Lindberg - [ericlindberg42 at comcast dot net]
posted @ Tue, Nov 17, 2009 7:07:41 pm EST from 71.201.40.96

Eric: Awesome, thanks for the post!
Lynati
posted @ Mon, Oct 19, 2009 11:10:59 pm EDT from 68.83.51.141

(Hmm, last post in September. I hope people still stop by here.)

Hi. I'm a longtime Gargoyles fan who's been drawn back to the websites and fandom thanks to SLG's comic series. Have not read much of the work here on TGS yet but I am intrigued.

The main reason I am here though is to spread the word to fellow fans that The Initiative Show, a pop culture podcast that I am involved with, has set up an interview with Greg Weisman for our next episode. Gargoyles, the comics, and The Spectacular Spider-Man will be discussed.

The show can be found at www.theinitiativeshow.com. When a release date for the episode is determined, I will let everyone know. I hope you will check it out.
Eric Lindberg - [ericlindberg42 at comcast dot net]
posted @ Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:52:35 pm EDT from 71.201.40.96

I've just posted the first of five sample chapters from the book at three blogs and on a Twitter feed. If you want to check it out, find my blogs at the following sites:

http://www.sffworld.com/blogs
http://www.animeotaku.info
http://www.animeforum.com

Thank you.
Desert Coyote - [<-Please buy my book!]
The Gargfic writer formerly known as Coyote the Bando
posted @ Mon, Sep 28, 2009 2:48:02 pm EDT from 209.130.194.114

Aww, thank you Spen! *hugs*
Lynati - [Lynati_1 at hotmail dot com]
posted @ Mon, Sep 14, 2009 8:23:45 pm EDT from 76.99.125.131

Correction, second time. I forgot about the '08 wipe. Still ridiculous, though.
Spen
posted @ Sat, Sep 12, 2009 3:10:02 am EDT from 66.43.205.110

Happy birthday, Lynati! (Geez, that's the third time I've said that this CR week. Hope we get a wipe next year.)
Spen
posted @ Sat, Sep 12, 2009 3:07:24 am EDT from 66.43.205.110

Forgive my excitement, I just have to share with everyone, as I feel like I'm starting to arrive as an author. My book's now available through Amazon.com. Go there and search or make life easy on yourself and follow my name linky. :)
Desert Coyote - [<-Please buy my book!]
The Gargfic writer formerly known as Coyote the Bando
posted @ Wed, Sep 9, 2009 2:51:34 pm EDT from 209.130.194.114

ARG ... cut and paste will be the death of me!!!!
Desert Coyote - [<- ON SALE NOW!]
The writer formerly known as Coyote the Bando
posted @ Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:38:48 pm EDT from 4.157.32.49

Much to my delight, I have approved my novel for publication. It is now on sale at my e-store (see link below)!

If you would rather peruse before you buy, a preview is available at http://tinyurl.com/AGPreview. Here's the blurb:

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Special offer for Gargoyles message board posters … use discount code Q3JQG8JB for 20% off the cover price.
Through the 20th Century, a team of four has been assembled for a Black Ops team unlike any other in history.

The Guardsman : ageless paladin knight.
Cyrus Salem: immortal shrinking wizard.
Kitty Lazarus: woman warrior in a cat's body.
Ariel Vibria: modern dragon with a tortured soul.

Separately and together, these agents will face down an immense evil, with the fate of the world itself possibly in the balance, rising above their differences and individual traumas together to face Sheol, a demonic matriarch hiding within one of the holiest sites in Europe.

Is being the Guardsman worth the sacrifice of childhood Ken Sharpe made to be the paladin?
Will Cyrus continue to shrink throughout history?
What purpose does the Hindu god Durga have for Kitty?
What will happen if the secretive government project that produced Ariel comes to search for their missing experiment?

Do they stand a chance in hell against Sheol?

Find out in the pages of “The Advance Guard,” on sale now

Through the 20th Century, a team of four has been assembled for a Black Ops team unlike any other in history.

The Guardsman : ageless paladin knight.
Cyrus Salem: immortal shrinking wizard.
Kitty Lazarus: woman warrior in a cat's body.
Ariel Vibria: modern dragon with a tortured soul.

Separately and together, these agents will face down an immense evil, with the fate of the world itself possibly in the balance, rising above their differences and individual traumas together to face Sheol, a demonic matriarch hiding within one of the holiest sites in Europe.

Is being the Guardsman worth the sacrifice of childhood Ken Sharpe made to be the paladin?
Will Cyrus continue to shrink throughout history?
What purpose does the Hindu god Durga have for Kitty?
What will happen if the secretive government project that produced Ariel comes to search for their missing experiment?

Do they stand a chance in hell against Sheol?

Find out in the pages of “The Advance Guard,” on sale now

Special offer for Gargoyles message board posters … use discount code Q3JQG8JB for 20% off the cover price.
Desert Coyote - [<- ON SALE NOW!]
The writer formerly known as Coyote the Bando
posted @ Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:37:23 pm EDT from 4.157.32.49

Also, when you click on the link, the author's name is pretty visible...
Lynati - [Lynati_1 at hotmail dot com]
posted @ Sun, Aug 30, 2009 6:42:49 pm EDT from 76.99.125.131

Spen: Happy to have piqued your interest. If you liked my fics, you'll like AG (as I call it for short) because it shares some prominent themes, such as family and the cost of great power. There's also one character who is an homage to the Gargoyles character designs.
Desert Coyote
The writer formerly known as Coyote the Bando
posted @ Sat, Aug 29, 2009 11:00:00 pm EDT from 4.157.32.75

Coyote : I had a feeling it was either you or Ravyn. Congrats on getting published! I'll definitly have to check out "Advance Guard" one of these days. After all, it is by one of my top-five favourite fanfic writers.

So what else have you guys been up to the last few years?
Spen
posted @ Sat, Aug 29, 2009 10:04:58 pm EDT from 66.43.205.110

Ahhhh hell, there's no point in concealing it, my wife found me out. Dang, we're too good at picking each other out of an anonymous lineup!!

Yeah, it's me. Yes, the book is mine. Yes, I confess, I am shilling.
Desert Coyote
The writer formerly known as Coyote the Bando
posted @ Sat, Aug 29, 2009 1:29:08 am EDT from 4.157.32.160

I almost forgot, there's a preview of the novel available. Enjoy.
An anonymous former fandom regular
"Normalcy is so overrated"
posted @ Fri, Aug 28, 2009 8:19:15 pm EDT from 4.157.32.160

Greg B: After looking at your list of "do not touch" directors, might I inquire of your opinion if Neill Blomkamp ("District 9") directed? Myself, I picture a possible similar "cinema verite fantasy-realism" style, only instead of using documentary footage it would include television newscasts exclusively. Would be an interesting take on the subject matter.

Lynati: The author will certainly appreciate your comments.
An anonymous former fandom regular
"Normalcy is so overrated"
posted @ Fri, Aug 28, 2009 7:11:58 pm EDT from 4.157.32.160

There hasn't been enough activity to warrant it. Maybe in Jan of 2010.

And hey, awesome-looking book!
Lynati
posted @ Fri, Aug 28, 2009 3:11:36 pm EDT from 96.227.16.69

As an aside ...

holy schneikes, this CR hasn't been refreshed since January of '08????
An anonymous former fandom regular
posted @ Fri, Aug 28, 2009 2:37:35 pm EDT from 209.130.194.114

Keep an eye out for this link. This is an upcoming novel by a former Gargfic (and TGS) writer, which may be released as soon as next week.
An anonymous former fandom regular
posted @ Fri, Aug 28, 2009 2:35:31 pm EDT from 209.130.194.114

The server died and ate this post.

For those not in the know, "Gargoyles, Clan Building: Volume Two" is available now on SLG's website. It will be available in stores this coming Wednesday.

I've got my copy, and it rocks...

We learn many secrets about the Illuminati.
Brooklyn goes on a ... voyage.
We finally see Demona again.

And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

"Gargoyles, Bad Guys: Redemption" will always be available this coming Wednesday. The adventures of Hunter, Dingo, Matrix, Yama, and Fang. Drawn by our fandom's own, Karine Charlebois.

Our fandom's own Robby Bevard (former artist and writer for TGS) colored "Gargoyles vol. 2" and did some toning work on "Bad Guys."

Robby even had the honor of designing a character the fandom has been anticipating since... 1997. And he did an excellent job.

And, to quote Greg Weisman, spread the word! We need every sale we can get, because, well... I want more, and I'm sure you want more.
Greg Bishansky
posted @ Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:36:40 pm EDT from 98.148.133.66

Well Greg, since you asked so nicely, film is my career as well. I am trying to get into film editing, and am currently writing this from an internship in the industry. I agree with you on big budget, blockbuster films being crap, and the HIM/ME dialogue you just quoted pretty much killed my soul.

As for the Cohen's, I'll admit that not all of their work is drug-trippy, but that was my impression regarding "Burn After Reading," their most recent film to date. Parts were funny, and other parts were like a downward spiral into madness. If that's your thing, that's fine, but it's far from how I would picture a Gargoyles movie feeling.

As far as film-viewing credentials go, I have seen roughly 90 of AFI's top 100 films of the past century. I didn't like Gone With the Wind or 2001, and while wasn't impressed by Citizen Kane, I did appreciate it at a technical level. I love Casablanca, It Happened One Night, On the Waterfront, and Schindler's List, and opted to buy each of these films. I also appreciate Miyazaki and Kurosawa's works, and while Bergman isn't my favorite, I was impressed by the Seventh Seal.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, lighten up. Yes there are idiots out there who don't know what they're talking about, but I thought I had worded my opinion in such a way that it would be clear that I'm not one of them. We're on the same career path, so how about we walk it instead of fighting over it?
Edit Death
posted @ Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:05:30 pm EDT from 71.165.239.246

Greg X> This belies my ignorance about the movie industry professions. I'm just saying as you get yourself established and experienced, you may be involved with the movie if no one beats you to it.

I have noticed there is a downside with all the great effects and technology in movies. With all of our advances, plot and character development gets sacrificed, and sadly the market doesn't mind.

The late Moustapha Akkad had the Halloween series which were his fund generators, but he could use his earnings to produce movies like The Messenger and The Lion of the Desert.

Lynati> I am glad you like my parody.
Thomas Forsyth - [tmlforsyth at gmail dot com]
posted @ Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:43:17 am EDT from 68.173.157.249

LYNATI> I understand what you're saying, but how many movies in the genre are good? This is just my opinion, but I can only count a handful.

"Gargoyles" was all about the characters first, and the action second. That's one of the reasons why it was so different. And I'd like a director who would go for that. I just don't trust most blockbuster directors to do it.

As for Edit Death's comment. I just get into the movie argument so often, especially since graduation, that it just annoys me. I mean, and I'm not sure what his/her background in movies is. But I so often see good, talent directors get panned by the "common man" while a hack like Michael Bay makes a lot of money that it gets to me. This isn't just a hobby and interest to me. It's my career. It's my lifestyle.

Barry Levinson, director of masterpieces like "Bugsy" and "Good Morning Vietnam" wrote this piece that I, sadly, agree with.

***

I have been reading about the Academy of Motion Pictures changes for the coming Oscar telecast. What seems clear is that the changes are basically about achieving higher ratings and appealing to a younger audience demographic. I thought I'd ask one of the so-called treasured demographically enhanced viewers what they thought of the Oscar changes. I will call him, "Him."

HIM: I thought the changes was cool. I mean 5 best pictures is not enough. Everything should be 10. I mean Letterman has his Top 10. There are all those Top 10 lists. Not 5. 5 is dumb.

ME: What about dropping the Thalberg Award and Jean Hersholt Award from the telecast?

HIM: Don't care. Too many old people getting awards. It's yesterday. Who cares what they did. What about now?

ME: Any other changes you'd make to improve the telecast?

HIM: I'd get rid of Best Score. Soundtracks are dead. And if they have melodies, it's lame. It's all about the sound. Big sound.

ME: Would you keep Best Foreign Film?

HIM: Noooooo....Don't see them. Never have.

ME: What about Slumdog Millionaire?

HIM: Yeah Good.

ME: Well, that was a foreign film.

HIM: Was it...? But it did win Best Picture.

ME: True. Ever see an Ingmar Bergman film?

HIM: Yeah. There was this girl I knew. And she made me watch one. I thought the DVD got frozen. It was on one shot for soooooo long.

ME: Any other changes you'd make?

HIM: I'd get rid of Screen Adaptation. I mean, just make it writing. Writing is writing. I don't care where it comes from.

ME: What about Film Shorts?

HIM: I make them on my phone. Did about 40 so far this year. Great category.

ME: You ever see any of the film shorts?

HIM: No, but it's good to have because it makes the Oscar office pools more interesting. Because nobody ever sees them. It's the wild card of the night, you know? Along with the Best Foreign Films. I don't think I've ever even seen them play anywhere.

ME: How often do you go to movies?

HIM: Maybe twice a year.

ME: That's all?

HIM: Yeah. You can get most of the new pics on DVD the first weekend. I mean, somebody's always selling them. 5 bucks. And the sound is better than it is in most theaters. Theaters have shit sounds a lot of the time.

ME: So you get bootleg pictures?

HIM: I guess...it's convenient.

ME: Do you think that's fair to the studios and the artists involved?

HIM: I pay for a good product at a reasonable price. That's all I care about.

ME: I'm curious, who do you think is the best actor so far this year?

HIM: The guy from Up. Fantastic.

ME: But he's a cartoon.

HIM: That guy was great. Hard to beat that actor. I don't care if he's real or not. Acting is acting.

ME: Since you are the key demographic that advertisers go after, what's your favorite commercial?

HIM: Um...hard to remember any. Maybe the one with the talking lizard. But I don't know what it's for.

"Him" is a fictional character, to the best of my knowledge.

***

It's sad, because it's true. I don't know what happened, but once upon a time, the highest grossing movies were also the most critically acclaimed. Then the great movies became films for much smaller audiences and film buffs, and mostly, stupid movies became the top grossers.

There are exceptions, of course. "Dark Knight", "The Lord of the Rings Trilogy" and some others.

But when "Revenge of the Fallen" makes nearly a billion dollars, I just shudder. It's the worst movie since "Batman and Robin".

Thomas Forsythe> No, I will not be directing any "Gargoyles" movie. Or any movie, for that matter. I am not a director. I can't direct. That's not where my strengths lie. I write. I produce. I'd like to think I'm a good enough producer to spot and work with great talent.
Greg Bishansky
posted @ Sat, Aug 8, 2009 3:38:37 am EDT from 98.148.133.66

GregX: Yeah, and Peter Jackson went from Meet The Feebles to Lord of the Rings. I'm not saying that people aren't capable of a wide variety of good work, or that it's not possible for me to be pleasantly surprised by someone who's never done work in a similar genre. But someone who *has* a standing history of strong work doing films similar to what I'd want to see in a Gargoyles movie would still be higher up on my list than someone who'd never done anything of the type.

And can we please refrain from such inflammatory commentary as "clearly you have no idea what you are talking about" when someone presents their personal opinion in an open discussion? I know it's a lot more polite than your usual phrasing, and I appreciate that, but how would you like to be told such a thing when stating your opinions? What would your impression of that person be? Just think on that; I'm not asking for an actual reply.


GB: Heh. Those were funny. : )

Dezi: Heyla! How've you been? And I don't think lain is currently reading here, even if she wasn't preparing to move across the country in like, a week.
Lynati
posted @ Fri, Aug 7, 2009 11:52:25 pm EDT from 96.227.28.216

Dezi> Thank you.

GregX> Clint Eastwood isn't one I'd think of, but he is pretty good. Maybe you'll direct the Gargoyles movie.
Thomas Forsyth - [tmlforsyth at gmail dot com]
posted @ Fri, Aug 7, 2009 6:43:53 pm EDT from 75.193.235.33

LYNATI> See, this is where we disagree. I've noticed that a lot of great genre movies were made by people who have never previously worked in that genre.

Here are two examples.

Bryan Singer never made fantasy or sci-fi before making the first two X-Men movies. What did he make "The Usual Suspects" and "Apt Pupil"

Although, I think Singer took a nosedive as a director after X-Men 2. "Superman Returns" and "Valkyrie" were abysmal.

Christopher Nolan, no one would have ever figured him for Batman. His prior films were "Memento" (great movie, btw), "Following" and "Insomnia"

And I like them because, prior to their comic book movies, they weren't blockbuster directors. Because, blockbuster directors tend to mostly suck.

Would you want a blockbuster director anywhere near "Gargoyles"? I would not. I'd want a story director with a blockbuster budget.

That's where the best genre films come from.

And trust me on this, I've studied film, I've studied the work of many of these directors.

So, who do I not want anywhere near a "Gargoyles" movie?

Steven Spielberg
Michael Bay (Transformers)
Steven Sommers (Van Helsing, The Mummy, GI Joe)
Tim Story (Fantastic Four)
Brett Ratner (X-Men 3)
Uwe Boll
George Lucas (Star Wars)
Roland Emmerich (Independence Day)
M. Night Shyamalan
Paul W. S. Anderson (Alien v Predator, Mortal Kombat)
Mark Steven Johnson (Daredevil, Ghost Rider)

Would you want any of these people directing "Gargoyles"? I would not.

EDIT DEATH <<While you're right about their range, most of their stuff still comes out looking like a bad drug trip.>>

Clearly you have no idea what you're talking about.

On the other hand, another director who I think is good at getting to the heart and the soul of a project. This one would never do it, but if he said yes, and giving him the right budget, I'd love to see Clint Eastwood do it.

"Changeling" was terrific
"Grand Torino" was fun
"Million Dollar Baby" was good
"Mystic River" was a masterpiece

It could work.
Greg Bishansky
posted @ Fri, Aug 7, 2009 5:55:16 pm EDT from 98.148.133.66

Ooook. I peek in here sporadically, and I KNOW I've peeked in here this summer and some how I didn't see ANY of the message preceeding, like, August. How did that happen? *confused* Still glad to see the sudden spark of life though. Still confused as to how I missed it all. Hi Lain! Hi Lynati! Happy belated Birthday Baron!
Dezi
posted @ Wed, Aug 5, 2009 10:25:45 pm EDT from 71.67.149.157

Gargoyles movie director (or maybe I'm think producer, please correct me if I am mixing up terminology) and results (this is taken in sarcasm):

Mel Gibson...story would be good, but have an even worse bias than I did about 12-13 years ago, and Goliath would self-flagellate over the Clan's loss.

Austin Bay: Lots and lots of explosions, probably by Demona and MacBeth. No real plot line.

M. Night Shamalyan> Ishimuran Gargoyles made to look more European, and major plot twist where Demona uses the phoenix gate to wipe out humanity from Stone age, but Cavemen switch to Geico and stop her. Instead her attacks cause humans to have nightmares of Gargoyles for generations to come resulting in the hateful feelings.

George Lucas> Makes cutesy prequel about the adventures of Hudson; remake edits out laser blasters with walkie-talkies. Avalon sends skiff to Endor

Roland Emmercih> Major natural disasters, somehow engineered by Demona and Sevarius, and all major cities are destroyed. This could work for the Gargoyles Future series if aliens cause major destruction.

Martin Scorcese> Would be excellent but focus more on Dracon crime family and feature Robert DeNiro and Joe Pesci in awesome roles, and Broadway tries to stop rival gang from shooting Joe Pesci but fails

Oliver Stone> Another excellent movie, but more emphasis is given on Matt Bluestone trying to expose all his Conspiracy Theories via inside information in the Illuminati.

Hopefully I don't step on any toes, as I am just being silly, and let's have fun
Thomas Forsyth - [tmlforsyth at gmail dot com]
posted @ Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:27:15 pm EDT from 75.195.20.199

Thank you, Spen.
Thomas Forsyth - [tmlforsyth at gmail dot com]
posted @ Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:08:25 pm EDT from 75.195.20.199

Yeah, I think you want someone who has proven they are good with the fantasy/sci-fi element as well as balancing the whimsical with the serious. None of those movies scream out "whoever did this should do Gargoyles!" It's not just finding someone good, it's finding someone suitable to the style and the...well, the ambiance of the original show. Because that's the heart of what you're trying to recreate, even if you want give it a little bit more of an edge or such.


And we've had a birthday? congrats!
Lynati - [Lynati_1 at hotmail dot com]
posted @ Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:38:11 pm EDT from 96.227.28.216

Happy birthday, Green Baron!
Spen
posted @ Tue, Aug 4, 2009 7:44:00 pm EDT from 66.43.205.110

I have a hard time seeing the Cohen Brothers do it. While you're right about their range, most of their stuff still comes out looking like a bad drug trip. Nothing against them, it's just their preferred style, and one which doesn't really feel conducive with the spirit of Gargoyles.
Edit Death
posted @ Tue, Aug 4, 2009 6:26:39 pm EDT from 71.165.239.246

Has Shyamalan made a good movie since "Sixth Sense"? I don't think so. He has become the "HOLY SHIT! CHECK OUT THAT TWIST!" guy. And his twists don't make sense anymore.

If I had to pick a director for "Gargoyles." I'd want someone who respects the material first. Now, obviously things get changed in the adaptation process. Different mediums have different expectations. But, you need to respect that material first. Don't make a change just to make a change, but give it a bit of a face lift.

Tim Burton is definitely not the guy either. I'm afraid he'd turn it into his own S&M fantasy like he did with Batman.

Though, actually, Chris Nolan would be an interesting choice. But I'd rather he have time to keep making Batman movies. He does them well.

Actually, if I had my choice. I'd pick Joel and Ethan Coen to direct it. They are among the best in the business. They can do both artistic and commercial movies, and they always put the story first. Team them up with Greg in a producing role, and I think it'd be gold.

"No Country For Old Men"
"Fargo"
"The Big Lebowski"
"O Brother, Where Art Thou?"
"Raising Arizona"
"The Man Who Wasn't There"

They have a lot of range. They are not one trick ponies. They are talented enough to win Academy Awards without being Academy favorites.

Yes, I think the Coen Brothers could do it.
Greg Bishansky
posted @ Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:56:11 pm EDT from 98.148.133.212

I've been significantly less than impressed with Shyamalan's recent works, and what I've seen of the Avatar movie gives me precious little hope for it. That's aside from the fact I was in the audience at NY Comicon two years ago when the creators swore that the movies were going to be a continuation of the world and in no way a re-telling of the animated series...and then six months later, they announced the opposite. Way to raise our hopes way up high before dashing them down onto the pavement. : P

Now, if they'd given Shyamalan free reign with the story of, say, Iroh's venture into the spirit world, and possibly Koh the face-stealer, THAT I could see totally working. I'm going to see the Avatar movie despite my impressions of it so far, because it may yet surprise me. But I'm not holding my breath.
Lynati - [Lynati_1 at hotmail dot com]
posted @ Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:26:52 pm EDT from 71.175.145.42

I definitely agree about the current blockbuster trend. More often than not, big explosions spell big bucks. I'm also trying to get into the industry, but I'm doing so with a slightly different attitude. If possible, I'd like to change the trend by coming up with and working on projects that have more quality. Consider the craze when Schindler's List came out. I'd like to repeat that.

As far as Gargoyles movies go, I think we all hope for a good one, but it'll depend on the writer and director that pair off on it. I'd hope for Weisman writing, because anyone else will exaggerate the traits of the characters, resulting in a loss of the depth that draws many of us to the franchise. I don't know about directors, though. Burton would be interesting, but I don't see it as his current style. Shyamalan is another possibility, but I'd like to wait to see how Avatar turns out before making any judgments there.

Regardless, though, it would be pretty cool.
Edit Death
posted @ Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:05:50 pm EDT from 71.165.239.246

I'd prefer a quality movie too, believe me. When it comes to movies, I'm very discriminating. Extremely discriminating. But, most of the general public is, sadly, not.

I am playing devil's advocate here.

Look at "Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen." That has to be one of the single worst movies Hollywood has ever crapped out (It's "Twilight" for males!). I hated the first one, but at least the first one attempted some kind of narrative. Note the keyword, attempted. But this one took everything that was bad about the worst movie and amped it up. The first movie is "The Godfather" in comparison.

And yet, the movie is, sadly, kicking ass at the box office. A lot of terrible, special effects blockbusters kick ass at the box office. The general, movie going public doesn't care if a movie is well written, well acted, or well directed. I mean, how else do you explain something as terrible as multiple scenes of dogs humping (Michael Bay does that in a lot of movies), Devastator's wrecking ball testicles, and don't get me started on the racist, illiterate, black face Autobots.

I'd prefer a good movie also. Believe me. As much as I want to work in the business, I don't want to work on summer blockbusters like "Revenge of the Fallen" because I cannot, in principle, take part in the further dumbing down of the movie going public. Unfortunately, that movie going public eats this crap up.

Transformers 2 (a crappy movie): Worldwide: $703,435,893

There Will Be Blood (a masterpiece): Worldwide: $76,181,545

It's the unfortunate nature of the business in this day and age. And I find that very sad.

But, if a movie comes out, even a bad one, and it sparks interest in the property... well, even before it hit the theaters, that last DVD would likely come out just to coincide with it. And we might get a chance for new, Weisman written material. A small price to pay.

All that aside, I'd love a great "Gargoyles" movie, with a decent script... preferably penned by Weisman and maybe Michael Reaves. And a good director. Definitely not someone like Michael Bay (hack!) but I'm not asking for David Lynch either (although, that would be interesting ;))

Aw well, I'll leave this link. Fanboys send hate mail to Roger Ebert for his terrible review, and Ebert responds in kind.

Like me, you like quality story telling, so I think you'll enjoy this:

http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/2009/07/i_am_a_brainiac.html
Greg Bishansky
posted @ Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:52:03 pm EDT from 76.95.184.71

I'm sorry, I just think if the movie was terrible that it wouldn't open the door- it would slam it further shut. The movie would flop, the fans who attended would complain, and there'd be no incentive for any company to throw good money after bad with another continuation in any form. Such a reaction might in fact show up Gargoyles as a property that clearly had gone the way of the Dodo.

Now, a movie of some quality? That would more likely lead to a different story.

Of course, the media industry HAS proven that something doesn't have to be good to sell, just marketable, so who knows. But given that the Gargs fans tend to be older than the usual age group that cares more for the fluffy toys over plot, it still doesn't seem likely that a truly bad movie would lead to a positive outcome for the property.
Lynati - [Lynati_1 at hotmail dot com]
posted @ Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:13:23 pm EDT from 71.185.95.192

LYNATI> <<And with all the horrible movies made based on other media from my childhood, I'd rather have no Gargoyles movie than a horrible one.>>

Actually, I kind of side with Greg Weisman on this issue. I think it was Coppercon, he was asked what his thoughts were on a movie, especially if that movie screwed it up.

Greg said that he'd like to have a movie out there either way, bad or not, just to bring attention to the property. He thinks it would get us that final DVD set we're waiting for, and raise the profile of the comic books.

The whole "there's no bad publicity" mindset and all.

I agree. If a terrible "Gargoyles" movie opens the door for good "Gargoyles" stories under Greg's direction... it's a small price to pay.
Greg Bishansky
posted @ Mon, Jul 13, 2009 6:59:11 pm EDT from 76.95.184.71

At minimum, when those we are left do decide we've had enough of the project and can't find anyone else willing to help out/take over, we are going to post the "what was supposed to happen" for the planned out but unwritten seasons of TD 5, DA 3, Gar 5, and Bad Guys 2 and 3.

And wow, is it nice to see that people do still care after all this time. Thanks, guys. ^_^

...while I'm here, anyone out there who is interested in actually helping out with either breaking down outlines or actually writing, send me a writing sample and specifics on what aspects/characters you particularly want to work on.
Lynati - [Lynati_1 at hotmail dot com]
posted @ Tue, Jul 7, 2009 11:30:09 pm EDT from 71.185.95.192

Keep the faith, Alex. They just updated the main pagefor the first time since I first started reading, which was back when I was in High School (currently 25). They've started up new momentum for the site, so who knows what could be added next.
Edit Death
posted @ Tue, Jul 7, 2009 5:51:30 pm EDT from 71.165.239.246

I recently discovered this website and devoured half of season 1 and all of Timedancer in a month. Since it's been 7 years since the last Timedancer post, I assume it's safe to say that the cliffhanger will never come to pass; way to end it like Reboot. Nonetheless, it's a compelling story that's been started, occasionally with some excellent writing. I'm thoroughly impressed with what was there, and also with the overall drive to continue the series, one of my favorite to this day. Luckily the rest of TGS awaits me. In the meantime, I feel a need to read a story that actually has an ending. How frustrating.
Alex - [HutManiac at gmail dot com]
posted @ Tue, Jul 7, 2009 4:31:10 pm EDT from 68.161.93.233

They *started* to make a Gargoyles movie a number of times, back when the show hadn't been off the air for almost 15 years. They punted it because they couldn't get a decent script, among other reasons. And with all the horrible movies made based on other media from my childhood, I'd rather have no Gargoyles movie than a horrible one.

Also, lobbying got us the first DVD, but they won't release Season 2 part 2 because it didn't sell well enough. If they don't think the money is there, they aren't going to put more into what they think is a losing deal. That's why they pulled the Atlantis animated series before it was even officially aired.
Lynati
posted @ Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:15:50 am EDT from 71.185.95.192

WITH ALL THE INTEREST IN BRINGING ANIMATED PROGRAMS TO THE BIG SCREEN ... WHY HAVEN'T THEY MADE GARGOYLES INTO A MOVIE? t
THE SUCCESS OF THE TRANSFORMERS AND THE SUMMER RELEASE OF AVATAR: THE LAST AIRBENDER IN 2010. THE CHARACTERS IN GARGOYLES ARE FULLY DEVELOPED AND WOULD MAKE THE TRANSITION TO CGI/PIXAR ANIMATION WITHOUT ANY TROUBLE AT ALL! GO OUT AND LOBBY FOR THEM TO CONSIDER MAKING GARGOYLES INTO A MOVIE!
SOLIDAGO - [ENNAJIFFY at AOL dot COM]
SOLIDAGO
posted @ Sat, Jul 4, 2009 6:56:24 pm EDT from 74.170.212.254

WITH ALL THE INTEREST IN BRINGING ANIMATED PROGRAMS TO THE BIG SCREEN ... WHY HAVEN'T THEY MADE GARGOYLES INTO A MOVIE? t
THE SUCCESS OF THE TRANSFORMERS AND THE SUMMER RELEASE OF AVATAR: THE LAST AIRBENDER IN 2010. THE CHARACTERS IN GARGOYLES ARE FULLY DEVELOPED AND WOULD MAKE THE TRANSITION TO CGI/PIXAR ANIMATION WITHOUT ANY TROUBLE AT ALL! GO OUT AND LOBBY FOR THEM TO CONSIDER MAKING GARGOYLES INTO A MOVIE!
SOLIDAGO - [ENNAJIFFY at AOL dot COM]
SOLIDAGO
posted @ Sat, Jul 4, 2009 6:56:24 pm EDT from 74.170.212.254

(Yeah, yeah, I know, it's all going to get written over when FS and LM have a chance to put the real stuff up, but hey, it was good practice and it'll look prettier in the meantime.)

*hopes she hasn't offended Firestorm and Lady Mystic too badly with her presumption*
Lynati
posted @ Sat, Jul 4, 2009 5:39:57 am EDT from 71.185.95.192

...and hey, everything but the art indexes...

Anyone else have feedback about this face lift?
Lynati
posted @ Sat, Jul 4, 2009 5:32:53 am EDT from 71.185.95.192

...and the spinoff indexes, too!
Lynati - [Lynati_1 at hotmail dot com]
posted @ Wed, Jul 1, 2009 5:50:25 am EDT from 71.185.95.192

Hey, the main page was finally updated? Wohooo! Looks fantastic! Thanks to everyone who worked on it! (And now I'd better get to bed before I add any more exclamation points.)
Spen
posted @ Tue, Jun 30, 2009 11:32:43 pm EDT from 66.43.205.110

... Dude, you're like, how many years behind the curve? *shakes her head* On the other hand, how can I criticize anyone attempting to compel people to make more gargoyles-related videos and post them in a shareable venue?

SITE UPDATE: With the exception of the subdomain of the webcomic Hazard Pay, the Lurkingfish websites have been cleared of the pesky warnings and have been fully re-uploaded. This includes Demona Taina's Gargoyles Imagery Resource (http://dtaina.lurkingfish.com/), my Gargoyles Screencap Heavern (http://gsh.lurkingfish.com/) and...a lot of non-gargoyles related content, so I won't bother linking those.

The Lurkingfish forum has been removed and a better system is being researched for.
Lynati
posted @ Tue, Jun 30, 2009 3:44:26 pm EDT from 71.185.95.192

Okay here's how you spread the word to a lot of complete strangers outside the Gargoyles fandom.

First of all if any of you are going to any other conventions outside the Gathering this summer like the Comiccon or what ever con go to this site http://www.gatheringofthegargoyles.com/g2009/ go to the "Help Spread the Word!" part and print out fliers then copy those fliers and when you go to the convention go to people ask them if they are a fan of Gargoyles. Then pass out the fliers to them.

Go to lines and crowds. Ask them if they have the DVDs, comics whatever... and if they don't, tell them about Gargoyles and to buy the DVDs, etc... they can help support Garygoyles for future DVDs of Season 2, Volume 2, Live action Movie and more to be release.

Also ask them if they can attend the Gathering in August if they're in the California area and have no plans, tell them to tell their freinds and family, make your own fliers if you want to.

Second if any of you has a Youtube account and camera, make a video blog telling people about Gargoyles and to support them. Tell them about the comics, Gathering and the DVDs and if they don't have them then ask them to buy them to help support the Gargs. Urge them to spread the word too like you did.

And if you have accounts on Social Sites like MySpace, Facebook, Twitter or others to spread the word there. Ask them if they have the DVDs or whatever and if they don't move on, were only interested in people who don't have the DVDs and don't know about Gargoyles.

So if there is any one on this board who doesn't have the Gargoyles DVD sets please buy them. We need a Thousand units to be sold and a lot of people at the Gathering. If anyone else has any other creative ideas and ways to spread the word besides what I listed? Please tell us.

Support Gargoyles. The time is now.
Jonny Modlin - [jmodlin210 at gmail dot com]
posted @ Mon, Jun 29, 2009 8:41:13 pm EDT from 71.192.166.143

Also...still writing. Amongst other things. Many other things. Sheesh. Last time I was here was....hmm...what, 3-4 years ago? Think I was still engaged at that time.....Hrmm.
Draconis Mk IV - [blackheart dot renegade at gmail dot com]
To catch a thief...wait, that'd be me. Sorry.
posted @ Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:19:26 am EDT from 77.86.122.127

Huh. Been a long time since I was here. How's all doing? Apart from being hacked. Bah.
Draconis Mk IV - [blackheart dot renegade at gmail dot com]
To catch a thief...wait, that'd be me. Sorry.
posted @ Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:14:38 am EDT from 77.86.122.127

How dare somebody hack lurkingfish's website? I know everybody in here probably reads the s8 cr, but for those who don't, there's a big announcement:

No Gathering of the Gargoyles next year!!
dph_of_rules
Whatever happened to simplicity?
posted @ Fri, Jun 26, 2009 3:54:54 am EDT from 98.20.181.243

No, we were hacked.

...Again.

Had to delete the entire site (along with all the subdomains, sigh) and am in the process of re-uploading everything. It's a bit wacky right now, but the virus is gone at least. Everything should be back to normal in a week.

In other news, I'm not dead and have actually started drawing again.

GWB>> If you leave some contact information in your post, I'm sure someone will drop you a line. Or drop me one and I'll forward it off to the appropriate place for you.
lurkingfish - [alile_marie at yahoo dot ca]
posted @ Thu, Jun 25, 2009 4:29:31 pm EDT from 208.181.145.47

I just tried visiting Lain's website (Lurkingfish.com) and got a warning from avg. Everything all right?
dph_of_rules
Whatever happened to simplicity?
posted @ Tue, Jun 23, 2009 5:02:38 pm EDT from 98.20.165.20

*de-lurks temporarily*

*flips Gunjack off*

*returns to dismantling wax gargoyle sculptures in preparation for her upcoming move*
Lynati - [Lynati_1 at hotmail dot com]
posted @ Sat, Jun 6, 2009 12:54:38 am EDT from 71.185.95.192

Oh wow, this CR is 11? That means I went to New York 11 years ago? Yeow!
Fire Storm
posted @ Wed, Jun 3, 2009 6:04:56 am EDT from 75.41.108.191

Hey, it's the CR's eleventh birthday!

Unfortunatly, my comment from one year ago is still true.
Spen
posted @ Mon, Jun 1, 2009 4:55:34 am EDT from 66.43.205.110

Let's see. That statement got the intended response. My philosophy about drugs/alcohol is fairly simple: It's hard enough to make good decisions when I'm sober and therefore I don't need anything in my system to impair my judgement. Umm, homemade sweet potato ice cream sure is good.
dph_of_rules
Whatever happened to simplicity?
posted @ Thu, May 14, 2009 4:31:06 am EDT from 98.20.182.90

If you think you have found kindred here, you have.

Google The Gathering for information on the yearly gargoyle convention

Enjoy seeing all the places it's been.
Staringer
posted @ Wed, May 6, 2009 12:11:36 am EDT from 65.54.97.192

This is wonderful. I've been searching for so long I did not expect to find a group who shared the same love of this series as I do. I was starting to feel as if I was the only one who remembered this series. I'm glad to see that I was mistaken.
Matthew Schroeder - [josephreba at aol dot com]
There is more to life than meets the eye...see past the surface to try and see the good in people
posted @ Mon, May 4, 2009 11:16:24 pm EDT from 205.188.117.10

Just finished watching the series through season 2 on youtube, and proceeded to post on the last part of the final episode about this site. Hope no one minds. Given the views the show has gotten, I'd say there should be at least a little new blood coming soon enough.
Edit Death
posted @ Sun, May 3, 2009 1:44:33 pm EDT from 98.154.130.238

Anyone remember ExoSquad?? Season one is out on dvd. I saw it at WalMart the other day.

Hey Green Baron, good to see you're back.
Staringer
posted @ Thu, Apr 23, 2009 6:11:29 pm EDT from 65.54.97.152

DPH> Drugs are bad, m'kay.

Brief Life update> I am out of Iraq, actually out of the Army, and living in Flushing, Queens. I'm in the NY National Guard, too, and I have a driver's license at long last, but I won't be buying a car since I am in walking distance to the seven line.

How is everyone in here?
Thomas Forsyth - [tmlforsyth at gmail dot com]
posted @ Thu, Apr 16, 2009 12:50:38 pm EDT from 64.131.253.165

Greg: Well, that made me laugh.
Fire Storm
posted @ Thu, Apr 9, 2009 3:42:41 am EDT from 75.41.108.191

DPH> Dude, I know you spent your life as a good, little, sheltered Southern Baptist who has probably never seen titties before, but seriously... if you're trying to finally rebel, dude, crack is not the answer.

Put the crack pipe down, dude. Put the crack pipe down.

;)
Greg Bishansky
Why the hell am I posting in here?
posted @ Tue, Apr 7, 2009 1:53:59 pm EDT from 76.95.180.59

I remember you. Welcome back!
Spen
posted @ Fri, Apr 3, 2009 4:49:28 am EDT from 66.43.205.110

wow i bet no one here remembers me! its Brute of looong days old .. glad to see the site is still up and working ill have to get back into it when i have free time
Noir - [brutefreewing_gargoyleguy at yahoo dot com]
"your local friendly creature of the night"
posted @ Fri, Apr 3, 2009 2:15:57 am EDT from 76.255.181.35

I hear a rumor that there was a rumor going around about that there was a rumor going about that there was a rumor going about that there was a rumor going about that there was a rumor going about that there was a rumor going about that there was a rumor going about that there was a rumor going about that there was a rumor going about that there was a rumor going about that there was a rumor going about that there was a rumor going about that there was a rumor going about that there was a rumor going about that there was a rumor going about that there was a rumor going about . . .
dph_of_rules
Whatever happened to simplicity?
posted @ Wed, Apr 1, 2009 3:30:17 am EDT from 98.20.141.252

***** TGS CR INFO UPDATE *****

My CR Information section has come a long way since the days of its infancy. It has grown too large and bulky for the current needs of the forum. So I made a few tweaks here and there throughout the CR Information pages. I omitted unnecessary wording, outdated information, and information that no longer applies to the current state of the comment room.

- The Development section was renamed to Miscellaneous.
- The Requests page was moved to the Miscellaneous section.
- The calendars from the CR Members' Profiles section were replaced with a single page featuring a simple list of birthdays, anniversaries, gatherings, and premieres of the television show, TGS, the CR, etc.
- The broken link to a website DPH's profile was corrected.
- Hyperlinks of CR Members' email addresses were removed from each profile page.
- Several statistics pages for the Members section were deemed unnecessary and deleted.

I might make some more changes because I still think some of the pages and material within CR Information can be condensed and refined.

CHANGES TO PROCEDURES:

Member Profiles:
I am not currently accepting CR member profile submissions. During it's popularity, this section quickly became too much for me to manually update. Automation via server side scripts would have greatly helped ease this burden, but Fire Storm didn't get very far in the coding. I presently see no reason to tackle this for two main reasons: (1) I haven't received any profile submissions or edits in a year (and only received two edits the previous year), and (2) there isn't enough participation in the forum to warrant this.

If you need something changed in your existing profile, just send me an email.

If or when I accept new CR member profiles, I will probably scrap most of the qualification guidelines.

CR Images and Forum Features:
I am putting development of these features on hold, indefinitely. Due to the diminished participation (involving the number of commenters and the frequency of posts), I believe the images and features currently available are sufficient.

NOTE:
Keep in mind that everything is continuously evolving. If participation in the forum picks up and demand for images and features increases, especially if or when new TGS stories and artwork get published, then the CR Info section will be adjusted accordingly.

LYNATI (and whomever is interested):
I am not completely satisfied with the design of the beta pages for the TGS website. I have some concerns over the complexity of my CSS coding and the layout and graphics used for the website. I believe it is possible to have more streamlined code and a more modern web design that may be easy enough for any TGS staffer to update or augment, since I know I will not always be available (the past year is evidence of that *L*). I don't want to implement the beta design only to update it again soon after, so please be patient.

***** END UPDATE *****
Lady Mystic - [<--- UPDATED !!!]
Admin of TGS CR Information
posted @ Mon, Mar 9, 2009 8:04:01 am EDT from 75.41.108.191

I am so going to be banned for this. Happy birthday, Doug!
Spen
posted @ Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:03:21 am EST from 66.43.205.110

I really hate infinite loops and I hate it when a trojan virus makes a mockery out of me. Vundo is near impossible to get rid of.
dph_of_rules
Whatever happened to simplicity?
posted @ Sun, Feb 8, 2009 5:45:32 am EST from 98.20.137.135

Yea, somebody remembered. I've been fighting around against a different trojan virus. Convincing my pc and I that it's clean is an uphill battle.
dph_of_rules
Whatever happened to simplicity?
posted @ Tue, Feb 3, 2009 11:30:12 am EST from 98.20.137.135

Phil the groundhog saw his shadow today. That can only mean one thing. Happy birthday, DPH!
Spen
posted @ Mon, Feb 2, 2009 5:39:36 pm EST from 66.43.205.110

Mayhaps there should be some drive for new writers and artists to join those who remain?
GBW
posted @ Wed, Jan 28, 2009 10:13:09 pm EST from 74.74.80.49

Lynati still pops in occasionally. I'm honestly not sure who else is still on staff, so I can't answer for anyone else.
Spen
posted @ Wed, Jan 28, 2009 6:15:18 pm EST from 66.43.205.110

Is there any way whatsoever to contact the staff?
GBW
posted @ Wed, Jan 28, 2009 5:30:43 am EST from 74.74.80.49

Thanks, that's good to hear. Still, I wish we could receive some sort of update, like a percentage finished, you know? Ah, well. Thanks for the reassurance.
Edit Death
posted @ Thu, Jan 22, 2009 3:09:41 pm EST from 98.154.130.238

Edit : Yes, last I heard the remaining staff is still working on the next season.
Spen
posted @ Sun, Jan 11, 2009 12:56:26 am EST from 66.43.205.110

I hate to even ask, but are the new chapters still being worked on? It's hard to believe the FAQ answer when it's been up for so long.
Edit Death - [solitary_poet8 at hotmail dot com]
posted @ Sat, Jan 10, 2009 3:30:07 am EST from 98.154.130.238

I hate computer viruses. I'm stuck with Win32.Zafi.B or at least that's why Windows Firewall keeps telling me. Funny thing is I restarted this pc in safe mode, did a virus scan, came out clean, rebooted it, and presto Windows Firewall gives me the same message.

Yes, I've checked my system registry and it's the signs to look for are not there.
dph_of_rules
Whatever happened to simplicity?
posted @ Thu, Jan 8, 2009 1:34:48 pm EST from 98.20.154.242

I suppose it's a good idea to say happy New Year in this room.
Vinnie - [tpeano29 at hotmail dot com]
Happy New Year Everyone!
posted @ Wed, Jan 7, 2009 7:49:05 pm EST from 69.54.209.29

Happy New Year, everyone!

I check the forum once every couple months, or whenever I remember.
Lady Mystic
Fire Storm's wife
posted @ Sun, Jan 4, 2009 3:32:56 pm EST from 75.41.108.191

I still check this room daily, as the GFW is my homepage (mostly because it's one of the few sites that takes almost no time to load, which on a computer as slow as mine is a major plus).
Spen
posted @ Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:51:32 am EST from 66.43.205.110

I confess that I might check on this room . . once every two to three weeks. The gfw hasn't been touched in over a year and I've given up hope of trying to contact Guandalug la'Fay .
dph_of_rules
Whatever happened to simplicity?
posted @ Sun, Jan 4, 2009 2:56:06 am EST from 98.20.130.50

Dezi: yeah, I check this room every so often. I mostly lurk.
Fire Storm
posted @ Sat, Jan 3, 2009 6:42:36 am EST from 75.41.108.191

Hey! Firestorm's back! Happy new year everyone!
Dezi
Bosanova!! ...Bosanova?....CHEVY NOVA?
posted @ Fri, Jan 2, 2009 3:37:11 am EST from 98.228.107.202

I hope the room gets wiped. At the very least, a wipe would guarantee us ten posts for this year. :)
Spen
posted @ Fri, Jan 2, 2009 2:15:56 am EST from 66.43.205.110

Hmm, I wonder if the room deserves a wipe because the year ended.
dph_of_rules
Whatever happened to simplicity?
posted @ Fri, Jan 2, 2009 1:02:40 am EST from 98.20.130.50

Happy new year, everyone!
Spen
posted @ Thu, Jan 1, 2009 2:06:49 am EST from 66.43.205.110

HARPY CHEW BEER!

(LAST!)
Fire Storm
posted @ Thu, Jan 1, 2009 12:06:05 am EST from 75.41.108.191

Merry Christmas, everyone!

And with this post, I've now posted more times this year than last.
Spen
posted @ Thu, Dec 25, 2008 12:52:30 am EST from 66.43.205.110

Courtney : That's when the license with SLG ends, yes, but that does not necessarily mean the end of the comics entirely. I'm afraid I can't recall the exact details of what Greg said on the matter, though. You might want to repost your message at the Station 8 comment room, where you'd probably get a much faster and more in-depth response.
Spen
posted @ Sun, Nov 30, 2008 5:06:36 pm EST from 66.43.205.110

Hey, so the last of the comics should in theory be out in January? Right? Then there isn't anymore?
Courtney
posted @ Sat, Nov 29, 2008 2:48:55 pm EST from 98.224.248.63

Starsinger> Well, I guess I answer the roll call. Still in Iraq. Two months left.
Thomas Forsyth - [tmlforsyth at gmail dot com]
posted @ Mon, Nov 10, 2008 12:35:54 pm EST from 217.194.139.3

Well, since everyone is so quiet, I figured a roll call of attendent bodies was in order on the 31st. After all, on All Hallow's Eve anything and everything comes out.
Staringer
posted @ Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:59:47 pm EST from 65.54.97.188

Starsinger : Eh?
Spen
posted @ Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:20:21 pm EST from 66.43.205.110

Roll Call!!! The Wall Between The Worlds has opened.
Staringer
posted @ Fri, Oct 31, 2008 7:44:31 am EDT from 65.54.97.191

Hot damn, this sure makes me nostalgic... Makes me remember embarassing meself badly on the Mini-Clan comments... wow, what a n00b I was. The difference now is that I am actually a decent writer now and I've figured out what I'm good at. (Novels? Nope. Novellas? Yeppers. Comedy? Wut? Sacastic Horror? Or fantasy? dingdingding!)

I find it odd that so many people don't consider that it's adults who do most of mainstream animation...................
Anthiena - [calla_anthiena at yahoo dot com]
"We're Wiccans,...we ARE wierd." -S. M. Stirling Dies the Fire
posted @ Sun, Oct 5, 2008 4:27:40 pm EDT from 216.16.65.58

New issue of the gargoyle webcomic is up

http://www.ka-blamo.com/gargs/

give us feedback as its a nonprofit site. We love feedback :) Good or bad.
Shara
posted @ Tue, Sep 23, 2008 5:54:20 am EDT from 76.170.156.182

Aw, you remembered! Thank you, Spen. : )
Lynati
posted @ Fri, Sep 12, 2008 5:24:11 pm EDT from 71.185.83.42

Happy birthday, Lynati!
Spen
posted @ Fri, Sep 12, 2008 4:54:59 am EDT from 66.43.205.110

I was just wondering if anyone had any information on TGS and if there will be anymore new episodes posted in the Gargoyles series in the near future...I hope so!
chloe - [chloe_orly at hotmail dot com]
posted @ Fri, Sep 5, 2008 5:21:08 pm EDT from 76.69.9.61

Weregargoyle : Chances are, the only person who could do that is Fred himself. And I personally doubt that he still has copies. If you want to try, his LiveJournal username is CrankyBastard. For a quick link, go to the members section of this room, click on Wilek Nereus' profile, and click the link to his LiveJournal. Fred is on his friend list. Good luck to you.
Spen
posted @ Fri, Aug 29, 2008 4:52:28 pm EDT from 66.43.205.110

Can someone PLEASE send me a copy of Fred "Pistoff" Kernes "Gargoyles 2K" fanfics?
weregargoyle - [motorvated at hotmail dot com]
posted @ Fri, Aug 29, 2008 12:57:42 am EDT from 66.69.208.244

The new front page looks good. Links to the new comic as well as the dvds. That explains why I couldnt't check in this morning

Starsinger
Starsinger
posted @ Wed, Aug 27, 2008 2:52:29 pm EDT from 65.54.97.152

ANNA - Yep, I'll be publishing it under my own name. And thanks for your comments.
Todd Jensen
posted @ Sun, Aug 10, 2008 7:18:17 pm EDT from 4.244.208.156

Hi Todd!

It's great to hear from you. I remember working with you on a number of projects. And of course I remember that you were a core member of the breakdowns team in the days when I was writing. 'Spirits of the Vasty Deep' is a particularly good memory, as it was my first story with TGS. Good luck publishing your children's book series. Will you publish it under your own name? I'll keep an eye out for it.
Anna Hansen - [anna111222 at live dot com dot au]
posted @ Tue, Aug 5, 2008 8:28:13 pm EDT from 119.11.40.111

A new issue of the gargoyles webcomic is up.

Sorry for the dealay hehe. But check out the new issue and help support us by viewing.

http://www.ka-blamo.com/gargs/
Shara - [jeanie54_2000 at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Tue, Jul 22, 2008 2:51:16 am EDT from 76.170.156.182

Hi, Anna. It's been a while since I posted anything here, but thanks for stopping by. I remember how you wrote "Spirits of the Vasty Deep", based on the outline that I wrote; I was particularly delighted with your addition of Morgana's "might-have-been son", which added some poignancy to the story.

I left TGS at the end of 2003, and have been working on other things, including a series of children's fantasies that I hope to get published soon. (The protagonist is a young Merlin, but he's not much like the rejuvenated Merlin of TGS.)

Again, thanks for stopping by.
Todd Jensen
posted @ Sun, Jul 20, 2008 6:19:57 pm EDT from 4.244.215.27

Hi Ed,

What an incredibly nice thing to say. Thanks so much for that.

I didn't know about the comics -- so thanks for that information, too.

I didn't follow TGS into its last seasons -- although I did read quite a few of the Timedancer stories after I left. I'm trying to read through a few of them now, and I look forward to reading yours.

Anna
Anna Hansen - [anna111222 at live dot com dot au]
posted @ Sun, Jul 20, 2008 5:28:06 am EDT from 119.11.48.62

Hi Anna.

I'm glad you did stop by. You won't remember me, but I was a fan of TGS back when your stories ran, and was on the staff myself some years after you, during the last 'Pendragon' season. You wrote or collaborated on some of my all-time favourite TGS stories. 'Menagerie' in particular I've always considered one of the real triumphs of the project.

Incidentally, you might not have heard but the creator of 'Gargoyles' is now continuing the series in comic form, which is as excellent as the show. There's some info up at http://www.gargoylescomic.com/

Congratulations on your marriage, child and career and if you ever write a book or anything, be sure to come back and plug it. I for one would be really interesting to read more of your work.
Ed
posted @ Thu, Jul 17, 2008 3:48:07 pm EDT from 213.187.39.61

Hi! I'm sorry for intruding. I've never posted in the comment room before. But many, many years ago, I was a writer on the TGS staff. I had to leave due to pressing life commitments, and I never really returned. Now, I'm a bit nervous about posting. A quick scan of comment-room posts shows that staff members' memories are incredibly long. I do recall heated debates about the direction of story-lines; I also remember getting a bit heated myself. But I don't remember the details. Nevertheless, I hope I didn't put anyone offside when I was a staff member, as I'd dearly like to know what everyone is up to.

I have fond memories of working with Todd Jensen (whom I see is still here -- hi Todd), Aaron Ziegler, Stephen Sobotka, Rahsaan Footman, Jonathan Cotleur, Shauntell Holm, Patrick Toman and Beth Mashburn. And I think Greg Bishansky and I were on staff at the same time, although I don't think we worked together on a story.

I'm sure most of you wouldn't remember me. I was on staff for such a short time and, as I'm from Australia, I've never attended a gathering. But I wanted to take the opportunity (while some of you are still here) to let you know how much I enjoyed working with you all those years ago. The energy, generosity, and sheer devotion of so many of the writers, editors and artists is an inspiration to me, even now.

I also wanted to thank those staff members who are still working on TGS. I'm amazed that this project is still running.

My own life is so different now to what it was back then that I hardly feel like the same person. Since the comment room seems fairly quiet, I'll offer a quick summary. (Even though by now most of you are probably mumbling to yourself, 'Who the *beep* is this chick?') Married, child, university post as a medievalist. (Very different from the single, childless, computer programmer I was back then).

Thanks for listening. I'd really like to know what former staffers are up to, if anyone knows.

Anna Hansen
(Author of Timedancer, season two episodes 'Spirits of the Vasty Deep', 'Menagerie' and 'Conspiracies'.
Anna Hansen - [anna111222 at live dot com dot au]
posted @ Wed, Jul 16, 2008 11:55:38 pm EDT from 129.78.220.7

Good to see the Green Baron again.
dph_of_rules
http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/trivia.php
posted @ Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:45:11 pm EDT from 98.20.152.195

Greetings and a Happy Fourth of July from Iraq.
Thomas Forsyth - [tmlforsyth at gmail dot com]
posted @ Fri, Jul 4, 2008 10:34:34 am EDT from 217.194.139.3

I was just reading through a little Disney catalog that put season two as a three disk set. The copy I own of season one came through their movie club and by jacket doesn't look like the copy Target once carried.
systemcat - [systemcat at buckrogers26thcentury dot com]
posted @ Sat, Jun 21, 2008 5:08:59 pm EDT from 75.71.142.82

Systemcat : Season three and the "spin-off show", as you call it, are one and the same. In any event, season three isn't available yet, as the second half of season two has not been released. The main reason being that the sales figures for the first half of season two were considerably lower than expected. However, the show is currently continuing in comic book form, and even has its own spin-off. So if you haven't picked them up yet, I highly recommend them.
Spen
posted @ Sat, Jun 21, 2008 4:53:59 pm EDT from 66.43.205.110

Hi,
I just got season one and intend to buy season two. But didn't the series have a third? Also has the spin-off series that came in the afterwords been released to DVD yet?
systemcat - [systemcat at buckrogers26thcentury dot com]
posted @ Sat, Jun 21, 2008 4:01:21 pm EDT from 75.71.142.82

Todd: So was your reply supposed to be a joke? I'm confused.
Harvester of Eyes
posted @ Sat, Jun 21, 2008 2:33:57 pm EDT from 76.100.245.148

Yes, but I couldn't resist that reply.
Todd Jensen
posted @ Fri, Jun 20, 2008 9:24:09 pm EDT from 4.244.211.17

Todd> Harvester was making a joke.
Greg Bishansky
posted @ Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:27:53 pm EDT from 75.56.245.4

HARVESTER - Except that Prospero is public domain and Gandalf isn't.
Todd Jensen
posted @ Fri, Jun 20, 2008 6:34:02 am EDT from 4.244.215.224

Seriously, if I were a member of the Third Race with the power to influence the time stream, I'd put it to more amusing use, such as violating the non-interference law. If one were strong enough to influence the time stream, they'd be strong enough to get away with violating their master's edict.

The only reason that I'm not saying directing the Gate to a certain point in time is not direct interference is because whether or not the person at the other end picks the thing up is still their choice.

And why Prospero? Seems to me your "theory" could use any old sorcerer. How about Gandalf the White? Or Jambey from Pee-Wee's Playhouse? ( ;
Harvester of Eyes
"Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That'll teach you to keep your mouth shut." -Ernest Hemingway
posted @ Fri, Jun 20, 2008 6:31:46 am EDT from 76.120.251.21

Happy birthday, Gunjack!
Spen
posted @ Fri, Jun 20, 2008 3:03:50 am EDT from 66.43.205.110

I do find the idea appealing that somebody would try to create currents in the time stream in attempt to force the Phoenix Gate to appear at a certain place and certain time. That given, I realize that any such attempt would requires lots of energy, knowledge, intellect, and patience. That being said, last Saturday, I took the occasion to watch a live production of "The Tempest". Even though it was performed on a single stage, I thoroughly enjoyed, even much more than a video I had previously seen of "The Tempest". I have no doubt that Prospero could possess the latter 3 requirements, but with regards to meeting the 1st requirement, gathering the energy, I see it being problematic in the ancient world. Still I doubt even with modern technology, one could gather enough energy to be able to create even a small ripple in the currents of the time. Unless one had multiple devices capable of storing vast quantities of magic and the means to recharge those devices, I deem it impossible. So much for that means of bringing Prospero into the Gargs universe.
dph_of_rules
Whatever happenned to simplicity?
posted @ Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:08:54 pm EDT from 98.20.222.106

Maybe he's referring to the character from the Poe story? ( ;

Just remember what happened at the end of "Future Tense." It implies that the Gate needs a mind to provide an end point. No sentient mind serving as an anchor = no way to connect Point A with Point B. I think the ending also seems to imply that you actually need to be physically holding it, too.
Harvester of Eyes
"Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That'll teach you to keep your mouth shut." -Ernest Hemingway
posted @ Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:14:09 pm EDT from 76.120.251.21

Vinnie's query reminds me of John Bellairs' "The Face in the Frost" (which I highly recommend to everyone here, incidentally), where the protagonist is a wizard named Prospero, but he's not *the* Prospero. (The author makes that clear in the first paragraph.)
Todd Jensen
posted @ Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:11:49 pm EDT from 4.244.208.143

Vinnie> So DPH is making up his own fanfic character who also happens to be named Prospero? He is inserting a fanfic character into Greg's verse?

Well, to both of you, I leave this.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=wKjxFJfcrcA
Greg Bishansky
posted @ Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:03:39 pm EDT from 75.56.245.4

Maybe DPH isn't referring to the original Prospero but someone like him, only much more powerful.
Vinnie - [tpeano29 at hotmail dot com]
It's silly. It's a silly movie. There just isn't much there. Once you take it all apart, there's not much story, is there?- George Lucas on Spider-Man 3
posted @ Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:01:10 pm EDT from 69.54.209.21

DPH-Theories are not spoilers or possibile spoilers. If you had posted. "Hey I have an interesting theory." Then people might not be giving you as mush of a hard time as now.

You are also indicating that Greg Weisman might use Prospero to control time or create the gate or whatever. As the others siad before not even Oberon can manipulate or change time. If even someone with that much power can't alter it, then neither a human wizard could do such a thing.

and we are pretty gobsmacked on where you got the whole Prospero idea from.
Spacebabie
posted @ Mon, Jun 16, 2008 2:59:59 pm EDT from 74.193.119.47

Ah the things that drag one out of lurkdom...

DPH-> Dude, you are trying to anchor something that cannot be anchored like trying to catch an idea with a bug net.

From the link quote of Greg W you provided there is no hint or suggestion that ANYONE has contol over time. More so that the gate is simply a vessel that rides the currents the shifts and prevailing winds that are beyond the understanding of mortals.

In a way you are trying to materialize something that is much more interesting as an unknown mystical force. Like the Force in Star Wars the moment they claimed the Force was actually little bugs that whisper in your ears the magic is ruined.

If you wanted to use any basis for a possible controller it would have to be an Elder God or "I am" again beyond the understanding of any mere mortal.

2 cents
Revel - [samrx5 at msn dot com]
Gathering photos and art
posted @ Mon, Jun 16, 2008 2:39:52 pm EDT from 74.193.119.47

DPH> Nothing you are saying makes a lick of sense. Not a damn thing. How on Earth did you arrive at Prospero of all characters? Have you ever read or even seen "The Tempest?"
Greg Bishansky
posted @ Mon, Jun 16, 2008 2:17:00 pm EDT from 75.56.245.4

DPH : And where does it say that said currents aren't just a natural part of the timestream? And even if they are artificial, why jump to the assumption that they would have been created by Prospero? I do sort of understand where you're coming from, but I just don't think it sounds quite right.

As for Sevarius, I don't see anything in particular that would point to him being an Iluminatus, but then again, nothing against it either. And I probably would not have believed you if you told me that Thailog was a member. It's just that, I personally think that adding Sevarius tips the balance between members and non-members a little too far. I mean, a society with 666 members, and six of them happen to be cast members of some sort? It kinda seems like overkill to me.

In the end though I'd say that, regarding both theories, Billy Joel probably sums it up best; "You may be wrong, for all I know, but you may be right."
Spen
posted @ Mon, Jun 16, 2008 4:32:22 am EDT from 66.43.205.110

http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=7742 <- In the gargoyles universe, there are currents in the timestream. I'm thinking there might be a way for a person to create currents in the timestream as a means of forcing the phoenix gate to show up at a specific place and time. This has nothing to do with altering history at all. Granted the energy requirements would be great, but I'm not saying its impossible.
dph_of_rules
http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/trivia.php
posted @ Mon, Jun 16, 2008 4:18:50 am EDT from 98.20.222.106

DPH: I can't even count the ways that theory makes no sense.
Lynati - [Lynati_1 at hotmail dot com]
posted @ Mon, Jun 16, 2008 1:24:50 am EDT from 71.175.144.178

gxb - It has nothing to do with tgs, I assure you. I thinking about Greg Weisman's statements that are currents in the timestream that carry Brooklyn to various points. I was thinking about possible sources of those time streams. A thought occurred to me that what if somebody was responsible for creating currents in the timestream. The thought occurred to me it might be Prospero and a motivation might be to force the phoenix gate to appear at a precise time and place. That idea had nothing consciously to do with anything that I know about in the tgs universe.
dph_of_rules
http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/trivia.php
posted @ Sun, Jun 15, 2008 12:31:26 am EDT from 98.20.222.106

DPH> Given what we know about the Gate, I disagree. Where did this theory originate from?

As for Thailog, you can't compare. Would I have believed it, maybe not. But it's not so far out there that it is completely unbelievable. Your bit about Prospero is, and has no basis in Shakespeare's original play either.

How did you arrive at this theory?
Greg Bishansky
posted @ Sat, Jun 14, 2008 8:35:31 pm EDT from 75.56.245.4

gxb - What part of my theory says history is being changed? Reading between the lines are we? My theory goes that Prospero gathers lots of energy to create current(s) in the timestream to force the Phoenix Gate to show up at certain places of his choosing. That has nothing to do with altering history. It's all about attempts to bring the gate to a specific location at a specific point in time. That doesn't involve changing history, but rather trying to account for what we know exists.

If I had told you that Thailog was a member of the I Society 5+ years ago (assuming it wasn't revealed at a gathering), would you have believed me?
dph_of_rules
http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/trivia.php
posted @ Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:49:02 pm EDT from 98.20.169.86

Dude, what part of "time can't be changed" is troubling you? In Shakespeare's play, Prospero was a wizard. We have seen no wizards powerful enough to manipulate time. Oberon isn't even that powerful.

Greg has never even hinted at such a thing.

As for Sevarius, I doubt he's a member of the Illuminati. He may work for members, but that doesn't make him one. Again, the Illuminati is a SECRET society.
Greg Bishansky
posted @ Fri, Jun 13, 2008 12:17:39 pm EDT from 75.56.245.4

gxb - I'm looking for simplicity. Adjusting the currents of time would require energy and skill. Making it Prospero who tries to do it adds simplicity to the universe.

The other thing I am pondering is if Sevarius isn't a member. Given the revelations we've had on who's a member, it almost seems likely that Sevarius might be a member.
dph_of_rules
Whatever happenned to simplicity?
posted @ Fri, Jun 13, 2008 2:38:48 am EDT from 98.20.169.86

DPH> Um.... no.
Greg Bishansky
posted @ Thu, Jun 12, 2008 2:47:15 pm EDT from 75.56.245.4

**Potential Theory**
I think Prospero might be behind the currents in the timestream.
**End Potential Theory**
dph_of_rules
http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/trivia.php
posted @ Thu, Jun 12, 2008 1:12:04 am EDT from 98.20.169.86

DPH : Could you maybe explain further? I'm not really getting it.
Spen
posted @ Tue, Jun 10, 2008 9:35:44 pm EDT from 66.43.205.110

**Potential Gargoyles Spoilers**
I have been considering the possibility of a link being between Brooklyn's timedancing in Greg Weisman's universe and Prospero. It sorta makes sense.
**end Potential spoilers**
dph_of_rules
http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/trivia.php
posted @ Tue, Jun 10, 2008 12:13:42 am EDT from 98.20.213.105

DPH : Hear, hear.
Spen
posted @ Mon, Jun 9, 2008 10:59:46 pm EDT from 66.43.205.110

Spen - or if there was something worth posting about aside from complaining about the lack of posting.
dph_of_rules
Whatever happenned to simplicity?
posted @ Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:01:52 am EDT from 98.20.213.105

Well, it's now been ten years to the day since this room first went up. Of course, that would probably be more impressive if anyone still posted here.
Spen
posted @ Sun, Jun 1, 2008 4:21:40 am EDT from 66.43.205.110

For those of you who don't know, Gargoyles: Bad Guys #3 came out today.
dph_of_rules
http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/trivia.php
posted @ Wed, May 21, 2008 2:02:16 pm EDT from 98.20.134.166

Honestly, I think the posting's become so infrequent here that anything that does get discussed will be overlooked. So relax. ( :
Harvester of Eyes
"Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That'll teach you to keep your mouth shut." -Ernest Hemingway
posted @ Sat, May 17, 2008 1:57:57 pm EDT from 76.123.52.7

Not that either defending or encouraging the current tgs staff, the last story was published 10-31-2006. That's been 1 year, 6 months, and 12 days ago.
dph_of_rules
http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/trivia.php
posted @ Mon, May 12, 2008 9:30:16 pm EDT from 98.20.166.66

My second post was a little more aggressive than I intended. Sorry.
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The Twelfth Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
posted @ Mon, May 12, 2008 4:57:07 pm EDT from 75.56.245.4

I quite liked that TGS considered S&P, though I was never really aware of any real restrictions beyond common sense. Sure, the comics are more explicit, but TGS was taking its lead tonally from what went before. There's plenty of explicit fanfic out there, some of it excellent, but to me TGS was about creating a sense of verisimilitude. Plus, the show pushed the envelope all the time (Demona's attack on Gillecomgain being particularly violent) so there wasn't a lot that cropped up which seemed wildly out of bounds.

I do tend to think that violence should have some greater purpose than being violence for its own sake. Thailog can take Claw's wings, but what does that mean for Claw? For Thailog? Demona's attack on Gillecomgain was pure chance, pure hate, but a millennium down the track its consequences are still in play. I think Greg Weisman plays with that expectation in the comic too. Thailog stabs Goliath is shocking -- but of course, we should realise that Thailog could kill Goliath any time he likes. There's a smarter play.

There's a risk with fanfics of these kind that violence becomes the end in itself and being challenged to justify that violence with respect to the characters and plot strikes me as a useful exercise. So the logic of S&P, it seemed to me, was to provide that "context check". Of course, that's not to say it always, or even chiefly, worked like that. I never read an "it's too mean" type response, thankfully.

I don't know I ever read that Tamora scene except perhaps in outline. The big, big, big concern that jumps out at me isn't the fairly mild sexual theme at all (there's a moment near the end of 'Aladdin' at least as twisted), but: "He suddenly realized that out of the few Persian gargoyles he had met he had yet to find one iota of nobility in any of them". Within the scene, it feels wrong to me as a character beat for Goliath to extrapolate his experiences to the rest of the Persian clan without having met most of them; and within the broader context of the series, it's a flaw with the Persian clan which feels simplistic, stereotyped and untrue to the spirit of the original.

Still, it's all a long time ago. I got a kick out of the series as a reader, had a blast as a writer, and learned a lot in the process. It's easy to criticise with hindsight and it's right to be critical because there are lessons to be learned, but those lessons shouldn't eclipse the achievement of everyone who actually brought something to completion against steep odds.

As for the future TGS though... five years ago, I warned that these vast, vast "plans" (five seasons of 'Bad Guys', another three of 'Gargoyles', etc.) were totally and utterly unrealistic and in fact distracted from the actual business of telling the stories at hand.

By this stage, the only TGS series that's really begging for a decent ending is 'Timedancer'. A small, close-ended serial or long fic wrapping that up would be very welcome indeed. The fics already drafted for TGS many years ago would very nearly sustain a mini-season on their own.

Beyond that, it's clear that the staff isn't available to support even a very modest season outside the very, very, very, very long-term. As I understand, almost all the people who were the major architects of the various seasons have departed. By all means, continue the universe in personal fanfic, but meanwhile, the readers deserve some closure while they still have (by now very vague) recollections of what it's all about.

I haven't revealed anything myself (as far as I can recall) and don't expect to until the funeral, if ever. Maybe this time we really are on the cusp of an epic continuation; I don't want to spoil anyone's fun. But I'm not sure it's fair or reasonable to expect people not to discuss their ideas and ambitions for a project when it's so long departed (outside vague promises). It filled the void brilliantly throughout the series' wilderness years. It deserves to be remembered, examined, praised, damned, its secrets a matter for the public imagination. A complete, closed-ended monument. Having it rot in situ until one of these years, maybe, something will leak out of the TGS brains trust strikes me as profoundly against the spirit of the project. It was meant to fill the void of the cancelled series, not create a void to complement the series continuation.
Ed
posted @ Mon, May 12, 2008 4:56:06 pm EDT from 213.187.39.61

LYNATI> The last TGS story was published, when, five years ago? The last TGS: Gargoyles story was published before the 2001 Gathering.

I spoke to other former staffers before I started publicly discussing things I had written or was going to write. Robby Bevard, and others. There is a statute of limitations when it comes to things like this. Hell, it's just fanfiction.

The fact is, you've all been saying it's coming, it's coming, it's coming for years. I know, I used to say it. If it means that much to you, I won't say a word anymore because, well, it is a non issue. But, honestly, put up or shut up.
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The Twelfth Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
posted @ Mon, May 12, 2008 4:35:06 pm EDT from 75.56.245.4

It's not that Gargoyles season 4 is never coming out- it's that after the first time Bishansky spoilered the intent for Tamora to turn out to be a villain some months back, we decided to re-write the sections concerning that plot twist so that we would have something that would still be a surprise.

Greg, would you pretty please stop telling everybody what the old plans were? Some of them are ones we are still going with, and we'd like them to be new and not "oh I heard that six months ago" when we do start releasing the next season.

Your assumption that "They are never going to release the next season" is as inaccurate as it is disheartening to see, and the addition of "...so it's okay for me to tell everyone what the plans were" is more than a little bit rude. Especially considering that when you were running the project, you said that and worse about a former staff member who had given away a large chunk of some of the previous plans in a personal work of fanfiction.

It's okay for you to believe TGS doesn't have a reason to continue now that the canon comic exists; nobody is denying your right to have and voice an opinion about that, or about the material that was previously released. But since you haven't been on staff for quite some time, and you don't know what the current state of internal affairs is, The Gargoyles Saga writers respectfully ask you to stop telling everyone that you "know" that the next season is never going to be released, and to otherwise stop making our job harder by lobbing pieces of intended plot to the general public. It just leads to time wasted on discussions about if we want to leave the story that way, and occasionally more time on adapting any changes we decide are now necessary to give people a story they won't have already heard before.
Lynati - [Lynati_1 at hotmail dot com]
posted @ Mon, May 12, 2008 1:57:29 pm EDT from 71.175.155.248

TODD> No one did, and I made a conscious decision to do that to show just how "un gargoyle like" Tamora actually is.

Though, to be honest, the TGS staff as a whole didn't seem to care about gargoyle customs anyway. They were all turned into "humans with wings" from close to day one.

I seem to recall one story about Brooklyn lamenting that he never got kissed because of his beak back at Wyvern. Never mind that it is not their custom.
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The Twelfth Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
posted @ Fri, May 9, 2008 8:32:50 pm EDT from 75.56.245.4

BISHANSKY - Just out of curiosity, did anybody bring up the "Kissing isn't a gargoyle custom" during the discussions? (Not that I think it matters, since Tamora doesn't seem that conservative about the Gargoyle Way.)
Todd Jensen
posted @ Fri, May 9, 2008 7:47:51 pm EDT from 4.244.213.42

Hey, it's an unfortunate drawback of being descended from a society of people with a "Sex for procreation only" credo.

Kind of amusing when you think about it. If my great-great-great-great-great-grandfather Gerritze ever met me, he'd probably try to hang me.
Harvester of Eyes
"Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That'll teach you to keep your mouth shut." -Ernest Hemingway
posted @ Fri, May 9, 2008 6:49:56 pm EDT from 76.123.52.7

TODD> That kiss made another TGS staff member I shared it with very, very uncomfortable. This same staffer of course had no problems with much more graphic violence being in TGS (I don't have a problem with it either), so their objections to this honestly baffled me.

It's not like I had her strip, place his cock between her tits and blow him.
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The Twelfth Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
posted @ Thu, May 8, 2008 10:01:03 pm EDT from 75.56.245.4

BISHANSKY - Pity that the scene got objections; I don't know about the sex elements, but I thought that Goliath's horror and revulsion at the thorough corruption of Tamora and the Balthazar, both of whom had as thoroughly abandoned the Gargoyle Way as Thailog and for the same things, was well captured.
Todd Jensen
posted @ Thu, May 8, 2008 8:25:10 am EDT from 4.244.215.56

Greg B: <But that's not the argument we got. What we got was "Thailog can't be that mean." Literally. Did this staffer even know just who the hell Thailog is?>

I should link this person to some of my own writing. I had Demona kill a kid. Well, he was sixteen, but as I get closer to thirty, I've come to regard anyone not old enough to vote as a kid.
Harvester of Eyes
"Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That'll teach you to keep your mouth shut." -Ernest Hemingway
posted @ Wed, May 7, 2008 10:10:30 pm EDT from 76.123.52.7

DPH> For violence, yes. But not for sex.

I wrote this for a TGS story that will never see the light of day, and there were... objections.

***********

NIGHTSTONE UNLIMITED

Goliath’s eyes flew open with shock as the night sky lit up through the large windows of the war room. The orbs burned like white phosphorus, a guttural roar escaping his lungs. Every moment of not knowing whether his clan was dead or alive gnawed at his very existence.

The ding of the nearby elevator brought him out of his brief insanity of grief and rage only to have him once again cry out with white eyes and beastly roar. The Persian female paused as if admiring a work of art, a talon on her chin and one of the most sadistic smiles Goliath had ever seen. Perhaps that was all he was to her, a play thing, a trophy to gawk at or toy with. The thought did not help his disposition.

Tamora strolled to the window, hips swaying methodically, similar to a cat cornering a prey. She paused only for a moment before turning to Goliath licking her pursed lips. “Your clan is still alive,” she purred, gently grabbing a hold of his leash. “I’m sure you’re quite relieved to hear that.”

Goliath glared up at her, doing his best to maintain his head. She was toying with him, to what end he was not certain. “Why?”

“I beg your pardon?”

Goliath leveled his eyes, letting out a slow breath. He met his captor eyes, they were the slits of a snake, an obsidian abyss of arrogance and desire. “We welcomed you into our home, Tamora. We treated you as clan, family,” he stated, his tone once again betraying his anger. “Why did you betray us? Why are you helping Thailog do this?”

Tamora could not keep from letting out a small laugh.

“It’s really your own fault you know,” she stated matter-of-factly. Her sudden motion caught him by surprise, reaching down and grabbing both sides of his head, bringing him towards her. She forcefully wrapped her lips around his mouth, driving her tongue to meet his. He felt her in his mouth, her saliva sloshing about with the wrapping flicks of the muscle. Her eyes had closed but Goliath’s had only widened, his body rigid, helpless.

Finally, Tamora pulled away, hissing in disgust. She spat at the floor before her, eyes red. “Her taste is still on you, her scent,” she paused, regaining her composure. After a breath and a toss of her hair, the arrogance had returned but the lust had all but vanished. “You and I could have been glorious together. I knew it as soon as I first laid my eyes upon you in Japan. We could have led a union of the two mightiest clans on Earth. Just imagine what we could have accomplished together. By the Dragon, glory and power would have been our mutual destiny.

“But no,” she spat once more. “Instead you chose to couple with that human woman.”

“My personal choices are my own,” Goliath retorted. “They have little to do with relations between our two clans. I reached out in friendship. We could still have been allies. There are so few of us left, we have no choice but to be united.

“And you still did not answer my question,” Goliath growled. “This has nothing to do with you, Elisa or myself. Why did you betray my clan?”

“Why?” she repeated, light amusement in her voice. “Politics Goliath, nothing personal. I bear no ill will towards Brooklyn, Hudson, or anyone else in your clan. Thailog just made me a better offer. The Balthazar agreed. He makes a far more powerful ally than your clan could ever have been.”

“Politics. Power.” Goliath growled at the very words. He suddenly realized that out of the few Persian gargoyles he had met he had yet to find one iota of nobility in any of them. Perhaps he was just wasting his breath. “I see the seeds of corruption run deeper through you and your clan than I could ever have imagined! By our very nature we have no need of such things as power. And you have the very audacity to call yourselves gargoyles.”

Tamora violently heaved the leash causing the larger gargoyle to slam face down on the cold steel floor. Letting go, she turned and started to leave, heading towards Thailog’s office, her indignation fully visible. She paused for a moment, partially turning to Goliath as if about to add on, but looked away and stepped out of the war room, the doors sealing behind her.

******
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The Twelfth Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
posted @ Wed, May 7, 2008 8:49:08 pm EDT from 75.56.245.4

gxb - I don't know. I remember working with Gunjack & Lain about 'loosening' up tg's s&p.
dph_of_rules
Whatever happenned to simplicity?
posted @ Wed, May 7, 2008 7:02:10 pm EDT from 98.20.186.181

Yup, "Too mean."

Honestly, TGS S&P were a joke anyway, I always thought so.

I laughed when #4 and #5 of the comic book came out. TGS's S&P enthusiasts would never have let Thailog stab Goliath in the gut like that. Never mind Goliath nearly bleeding to death on the castle floor.

"You can't have Thailog do that. It's mean!" my ass. ;)
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The Twelfth Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
posted @ Wed, May 7, 2008 6:32:15 pm EDT from 75.56.245.4

As I recall, (mind you this was years and years ago now) the actual argument at the time was in fact "Thailog can't do that, it would be too mean." The story idea at the time had Thailog bruned and crippled, low on resources and time, and desperate and such. I don't remember all the details. I think at the end of it Claw might have actually spoken, but its been a long time.

There were legitimate reasons not to go that route, but the reason given was "too mean." But I remember it as a very interesting tstory that gave Thailog his menace back after he'd been really sucky for an entire season.

Of course, there was also the Hyena and Sevarius story arc that never really got off the ground. THAT woulda been interesting...
Robby Bevard
posted @ Mon, May 5, 2008 9:57:21 pm EDT from 64.12.117.195

I don't remember any "That's too mean" arguments against Thailog ripping off Claw's wings during my time on TGS, though I might have been distracted with a different part of the project (such as "Pendragon") at the time.

The argument I do remember was "Claw's got little enough to do as the only Mutate who doesn't talk, and if he loses his wings, he'll wind up with no role but to stay in the Labyrinth and watch television with Hudson's clone" (I suspect that whoever voiced it was thinking of Bronx - the only wingless member of the Manhattan clan, if you don't count Elisa - being generally the one who'd get left behind at the clock tower).
Todd Jensen
posted @ Fri, May 2, 2008 6:18:09 pm EDT from 4.244.209.150

For the unaware, next year's Gathering will be in Los Angeles.
Spen
posted @ Thu, May 1, 2008 7:14:35 pm EDT from 66.43.205.110

Well, it's moot anyway. And that's a very good argument.

But that's not the argument we got. What we got was "Thailog can't be that mean." Literally. Did this staffer even know just who the hell Thailog is?
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The Twelfth Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
posted @ Thu, May 1, 2008 7:04:00 pm EDT from 75.56.245.4

I suppose Thailog could ripoff Claws wings if he had to. But why would he? Wouldn't it be far easier to just clone a set of wings, ala Sevarious, and then dispose of the body that was cloned with it. That way he doesn't have to worry about the wings being rejected, being made from his own blood. Rippingoff Claws wings sounds like it would be fun but only if Thailog had no other options that would have required less effort on his part.
Vinnie - [tpeano29 at hotmail dot com]
It's silly. It's a silly movie. There just isn't much there. Once you take it all apart, there's not much story, is there?- George Lucas on Spider-Man 3
posted @ Thu, May 1, 2008 3:30:16 pm EDT from 69.54.209.33

Gargoyles: Bad Guys issue #2 came out today.
dph_of_rules
http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/trivia.php
posted @ Wed, Apr 30, 2008 6:52:38 pm EDT from 98.20.240.192

Greg X> You are absolutely right. Television can be a different animal as some shows can never truly conclude, but seasons 4 and 5 of Babylon 5 had an episode after the climax (maybe other seasons as well, but those two stick out right now) that served that purpose.

Plus, with a series, you need a tie in for future adventures. Sadly with many modern movies, special effects replace plot. If Return of the Jedi ended with the destruction of the second Death Star, it would not be half the movie it was.

I could see Thailog ripping off Claw's wings (poor Claw), and Goliath's reaction as he has a Future Tense flashback.

Harvester of Eyes> LOL!!! I deifinitely want that fanfic, but would Jason keep saying "Jason!" in various tones? Plus when someone shouts "cripple fight", no one pays any attention :)

DPH> Copy the article onto a word document then print.

On a side note, it's raining in Baghdad in April. This is really weird.
Thomas Forsyth - [tmlforsyth at gmail dot com]
posted @ Wed, Apr 30, 2008 1:11:04 am EDT from 217.194.139.131

BISHANSKY - I assume you meant "like ending Season Two of 'Gargoyles' with 'The Gathering'", rather than "like ending Season Two of 'Gargoyles' with 'Hunter's Moon'".

But good point. (Your comment about the "too many endings" complaints reminds me of many of the comments about the ending of the movie version of "The Return of the King" - though I honestly didn't think it had that problem when I saw it. Of course, I'd read the book and knew that there was a fairly long denouement (six chapters) after Sauron's downfall. Maybe the people who said "too many endings" hadn't read the book.)
Todd Jensen
posted @ Tue, Apr 29, 2008 7:16:09 pm EDT from 4.244.213.185

I agree with Greg. Alot of people forget about the five structures. Especially the fifth one!!!
lonerider26 - [sgolab at comcast dot net]
posted @ Tue, Apr 29, 2008 5:32:40 pm EDT from 71.239.117.121

Sigh... I blame television for this mentality. Television and modern movies.

You don't end at the climax, people.

The five structures of story telling are:

Introduction
Rising Action
Complication
Climax
Denouement

Only it seems too few people want Denouement anymore. When we do get it, people complain. "Oh! Too many endings!"

Again, I reference season two. In a lot of ways, the season was about introducing the Third Race, first Puck then the Weird Sisters, they had a sense of mystery to them. Foreshadowing Oberon.

Ending season two of TGS at "The Darkest Hour" would have been like ending season two of the series at "Hunter's Moon"
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The Twelfth Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
posted @ Tue, Apr 29, 2008 1:42:34 pm EDT from 75.56.245.4

gxb - < By your logic, season two of the series should have ended with "The Gathering" instead of "Hunter's Moon".> Not saying that at all or even implying it. Thematically, tgs gargoyles and pendragon season 2 was all about the SUW. Season 1 ended with the SUW getting ready to start. It would have been a nice cliffhanger to end on The Darkest Hour. Aftermath would have been a great season opener for tgs gargoyles season 3. TGS Season 1 was build-up to the SUW, season 2 was the SUW except for stuff tacked on the end. TGS gargoyles Season 3 would have worked better, imo, if it had focused on the aftermath of and recovery from the suw.
dph_of_rules
http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/trivia.php
posted @ Tue, Apr 29, 2008 4:56:46 am EDT from 98.20.240.192

DPH> By your logic, season two of the series should have ended with "The Gathering" instead of "Hunter's Moon".

An aftermath was absolutely necessary.
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The Twelfth Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
posted @ Mon, Apr 28, 2008 10:03:03 pm EDT from 75.56.245.4

TODD> The problem with the third season wasn't that we didn't have ideas after the SUW. Some of us did. But there was very much an internal power struggle over where to take things the following season. A lot of clashing, especially on the tone of the series.

Some of us wanted to keep it in the spirit of the series, show some balls and not be afraid to take risks. Others wanted to play it safe, and bring it down to the level of an 80s cartoon. I'm not naming names, but when this staffer proposed their version of Bad Guys (we had so many proposals), they didn't want Robyn to lead the team because she's a woman and in their point of view, "No action cartoon ever had a woman in charge."

Between that and "You can't have Thailog be that mean!" I wonder if this individual even understood the series TGS was based on.
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The Twelfth Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
posted @ Mon, Apr 28, 2008 10:01:38 pm EDT from 75.56.245.4

I remember some discussion about that, back when we were plotting Season Two. In the end, most of the staff decided that the season needed to end a few episodes after the Second Unseelie War's final battle, to show that war doesn't end just because the fighting's stopped.

I do think that one thing many of us (myself included) overlooked was what should take place after the Second Unseelie War; we left ourselves stranded once it was over.
Todd Jensen
posted @ Mon, Apr 28, 2008 7:01:31 pm EDT from 4.244.208.51

Personally, I think Season 2 should have ended with "The Darkest Hour" part 2. It makes sense in so many ways. Season 2 had the start of the SUW. Ending the SUW in Season 2 would have been so logical. Then Season 3 could have had a clear theme: Dealing with the aftermath of the SUW.
dph_of_rules
http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/trivia.php
posted @ Mon, Apr 28, 2008 8:26:11 am EDT from 98.20.240.192

So *that's* what he objected to! I had been wondering about that. Sounds like a pretty good (if nasty) idea.
Spen
posted @ Mon, Apr 28, 2008 3:01:48 am EDT from 66.43.205.110

Harvester> Eh, we were going to heal Thailog in the fourth season anyway. I think Tamora was going to play a part in that.

Funny story, Thailog was originally going to be cured in the third season, but with his wings so completely destroyed, we were going to have him capture Claw, tear out his wings and have them surgically implanted to his own body.

But another former staffer said, and I quote "You can't do that. It's mean!"

Yeah, the reason season three was so meh was that there were many disagreements on where to take it. What kind of tone it should have. The staff was pretty split.
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The Twelfth Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
posted @ Mon, Apr 28, 2008 2:59:28 am EDT from 75.56.245.4

Although, by not having Thailog crippled in the canon universe, we are missing out on a sweet story: a cripple fight between him and Jason Canmore. Someone touches it off by refusing to don a silly hat, and then they spend five issues beating the almighty fuck out of each other.

Just a thought... ( ;
Harvester of Eyes
"Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That'll teach you to keep your mouth shut." -Ernest Hemingway
posted @ Sun, Apr 27, 2008 11:17:11 pm EDT from 76.123.52.7

Kenneth> If you haven't already, read the comic.
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The Twelfth Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
posted @ Sat, Apr 26, 2008 12:11:41 am EDT from 75.56.245.4

sigh. April 2008 and still no sign of updating...
Kenneth - [kinnychan at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:27:35 pm EDT from 203.218.142.160

Is anybody having trouble printing from wikipedia? My browser keeps crashing when I try to print a wikipedia article.
dph_of_rules
http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/trivia.php
posted @ Thu, Apr 24, 2008 12:12:38 pm EDT from 98.20.148.220

Jessica : It'll be posted as soon as it's written. Sometime this century would be a good bet.

Shara : Actually, I'm pretty sure you did get some response last time. In any event, I rather liked Harvester's idea of doing "Reprisals". Though pretty much any TGS story would be all right with me.
Spen
posted @ Thu, Apr 24, 2008 4:02:57 am EDT from 66.43.205.110

To Shara: A webcomic would be awesome, and if I had to choose a story I would choose "Partnership" from TGS season 1. It's my favorite story from the entire TGS saga, and in my humble opinion, one of the most dramatic.

Can anyone tell me when TGS season 4 will be posted on here?
Jessica
posted @ Wed, Apr 23, 2008 4:51:37 pm EDT from 132.241.245.172

Roots for the pendragon spin off.

Which comes to mind

I might of asked this question before but got no responce. Would anyone here be interested in us doing a webcomic from one of the TGS storys.

What story should we use?
Shara - [Jeanie54_2000 at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Wed, Apr 23, 2008 1:35:44 am EDT from 76.170.156.182

I was on the project for a tiny proportion of the time Todd and Greg each were, but I'd third Greg's comments.

I really enjoyed TGS as a reader and writer. But even working on 'Pendragon' S4, I never felt like it was an especially good sequel to the original, or was designed to be. It had become something in its own right and personally, I wanted to try to be true to that rather than some interpretation of what might be in Greg Weisman's mind from clues he'd dropped in 1997. Obviously there was a common thread but the tone of the two is, I think, quite different.

TGS was several dozen writers in imitation of Greg Weisman and the comics are the single vision of Greg Weisman free to tell his stories.

And TGS has had hundreds of episodes. For a true comparison, compare TGS two thirds of the way through "Partnership" and a third of the way through "The Return"!

Two years into the comic, it's still less than 3 weeks after "Hunter's Moon", so I'm sure Goliath will be in the comic for many years to come (always hoping it goes on that long). I can't wait.
Ed
posted @ Sat, Apr 19, 2008 5:37:47 pm EDT from 213.187.39.61

As a former TGS staff member, I second Bishansky's remarks.

I hope that, after the "Bad Guys" spin-off is done, Greg Weisman will get to do a "Pendragon" spin-off, though we've already seen some of his take on Arthur's adventures after his return in #7-#8. I certainly think that he'll avoid the mistake of making it seem too much like an Arthurian retelling with the present-day parts being just framework.
Todd Jensen
posted @ Sat, Apr 19, 2008 7:30:28 am EDT from 4.244.214.116

lonerider> Thank you, but no... as a former staffer, I have to disagree. Greg's come up with a lot of better stories than we ever could.

His Illuminati for example is much cooler. Creepier. More mysterious and intriguing.

Xanatos has proven to still be the same character know and love, instead of the TGC version of the character TGS mistakingly went with.

And Goliath sacrificing himself for gargoyle rights is beautiful. Like Martin Luther King or Gandhi or Jesus. Great men seldom live to see their dreams realized.

I also am sure Greg's Demona stories will continue to be better.

Not saying TGS didn't do cool stuff, but we're not quite as good as Greg.
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The Twelfth Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
posted @ Fri, Apr 18, 2008 11:36:31 pm EDT from 75.56.245.4

I just wanted to say that I love your website and I like the story arks a lot better than those of Greg Weisman(no offense to Greg Weisman,cus he's awsome!!!) I just find it sad that in his stories, goliath sacrifices himself for some reason, and that almost made me cry!!! Goliath is my favorite character and I hope he lives forever!!!
lonerider26 - [sgolab at comcast dot net]
posted @ Fri, Apr 18, 2008 11:02:38 pm EDT from 71.239.117.121

HI all.

We have another issue of the gargoyle webcomic up. Take a look and leave us feedback so we can keep the site going.

http://www.ka-blamo.com/gargs
Shara - [Jeanie54_2000 at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Tue, Apr 15, 2008 4:01:09 am EDT from 76.170.156.182

Greg B.: And then the human race goes extinct because everyone is a little stupid and to stubborn to live.
Vinnie - [tpeano29 at hotmail dot com]
It's silly. It's a silly movie. There just isn't much there. Once you take it all apart, there's not much story, is there?- George Lucas on Spider-Man 3
posted @ Sat, Apr 12, 2008 5:19:03 am EDT from 69.54.209.30

Or if he is going to get that bombed, do it in the privacy of his own home where the only one who gets hurt is himself.
Harvester of Eyes
"Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That'll teach you to keep your mouth shut." -Ernest Hemingway
posted @ Fri, Apr 11, 2008 11:40:48 pm EDT from 71.62.198.251

DPH> The answer to that is that the fuck head should know when not to get toasted off his ass.

Personally, anyone that stupid should be killed or castrated in the best interest of human evolution anyway. Take the stupid out of the gene pool.
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The Twelfth Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
posted @ Fri, Apr 11, 2008 11:33:53 pm EDT from 75.56.245.4

DPH: I don't think the fact that he was drunk excuses what he did. I've done stupid shit while drunk, but I've never tried to use it as a defense. If he hadn't been drunk in the first place, he wouldn't have done it, and no one makes you drink except yourself.

Besides, if he was in a situation where he could be dancing in front of preschoolers, then he was probably drunk in public, and that's a law I happen to agree with. The man has no one to blame except himself.
Harvester of Eyes
"Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That'll teach you to keep your mouth shut." -Ernest Hemingway
posted @ Fri, Apr 11, 2008 10:55:57 pm EDT from 71.62.198.251

This is interesting. I did a search at yahoo for "TGS trivia quiz". Within the 100 results, I did not find the link to the quiz on the tgs website. I did the same search at google and to my amazement, the first entry listed was the link to the quiz on the tgs website. Wow!!
dph_of_rules
http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/trivia.php
posted @ Thu, Apr 10, 2008 11:42:28 pm EDT from 98.20.141.98

Tonight, there was an interesting potential suspect. The guy was a registered sex offender. His crime: he got drunk and danced around in the nude. The problem was he did in front of preschoolers. My question is the law that bad that a guy while drunk dancing in the nude accidently gets in front of preschoolers becomes a sex offender? If so, is the punishment equitable to the crime?
dph_of_rules
http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/trivia.php
posted @ Thu, Apr 10, 2008 10:08:52 pm EDT from 98.20.141.98

Lynati:
<<Are you two having the free time to work on the site overhaul again? I'd really like to see the whole thing- esp. the front page- implemented in the design you guys came up with.>>

Yes, we have a bit of free time. I'm going to go over my old files to ensure the markup is clean and comments/info are clearly noted. Given how long ago I wrote it up, it could probably use a bit of polishing.

FS and I are still unemployed, but have been keeping busy job hunting and interviewing. (I think I might have a part-time job lined up.) FS is also working on code as examples for his resume. I won't need his help to implement the new site design, but I will use his preliminary code (and help) to eventually implement a CR Member's profile section -- since we're keeping it active -- that allows users to update their own data without me as a middleman.
Lady Mystic
posted @ Thu, Apr 10, 2008 7:09:18 am EDT from 75.41.108.191

Courtney: Bad Guys #2 is not out yet, but hopefully, it will be out this month.

Jessica: Any decent bookstore should have the first graphic novel. If yours doesn't, bring in the ISBN and they should be able to order it for you.

The ISBN is: 978-1-59362-096-7

Hope that helps.
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The Twelfth Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
posted @ Tue, Apr 8, 2008 12:57:39 pm EDT from 75.56.245.4

Wow there's alot of talk going on in here...that's sweet.

I have an odd question, but anyway, on the back of #8 it said that bad guys two was out? But I haven't been able to find number two. Is it really out and I havn't been looking in the right places?
Courtney
posted @ Tue, Apr 8, 2008 9:00:34 am EDT from 208.75.17.253

Thank you so much Lynati and Greg for replying. Lynati, any idea when we'll be seeing a post for season 4?

Greg, I had actually never heard of comics until I read you guys talking about them here. See, I just discovered gargoyles as a whole about a week and a half ago. I've been watching the series on YouTube, and I'm about halfway through season 2. Does Barnes and Noble sell the books, do you think?
Jessica - [padawanlinea at gmail dot com]
posted @ Mon, Apr 7, 2008 11:58:21 pm EDT from 132.241.246.145

I also wanted to add that I would not mind helping out the site at all if you need a technical person.
you can find out more about me and my company by going to my website link I'm not much of a writer but I can help out with PHP and various bits of administration if needed.
Talon - [wschaub at steubentech dot com]
posted @ Mon, Apr 7, 2008 11:00:26 pm EDT from 24.95.149.137

I have been away for a very long time I'm glad ot see you guys are still here although it looks like things have stalled.

I wanted to thank the TGS team for keeping Gargoyles alive for so long and doing a wonderful job. I intend to finish reading timedancer I cant even remmeber where I left off but I really identify with the character and the concept of the series.

Is there a mailing list I can subscribe to to get updates when new fiction is released?

Also I'm curious if anyone is left from the old chatnet #gargoyles IRC on this board. I often wonder what happened to those people.
Talon - [wschaub at steubentech dot com]
posted @ Mon, Apr 7, 2008 10:44:08 pm EDT from 24.95.149.137

Season 3 is considered finished- Season 4 has been in progress for several years, due to the project now having a minimal amount of people willing and able to make time to spend on the project. Progress continues, albeit an inch at a time some weeks.
Lynati - [Lynati_1 at hotmail dot com]
posted @ Sat, Apr 5, 2008 11:20:26 am EDT from 72.94.105.216

Hey Jessica, are you reading the comic book?
Greg Bishansky
posted @ Fri, Apr 4, 2008 7:46:58 pm EDT from 75.56.245.4

I just discovered this site a week ago, and was so amazed that I made it through all three seasons of the gargoyles saga. I thought the writing and the stories were absolutely wonderful. Which brings me to this...are you guys going to keep it going with a Season 4 or at least finish up season 3, if it is unfinished? There's still obviously loose threads and plotlines to tie up. I'm just hoping that it hasn't been abandoned. I'm so anxious to know what happens now that Goliath and Elisa are (finally!) married, or mated or whatever. Thanks!
Jessica - [padawanlinea at gmail dot com]
PadawanLinea
posted @ Fri, Apr 4, 2008 6:52:40 pm EDT from 132.241.245.124

Lonerider> That was me, and I'm definitely not a 'she'. Yes, I do think Sata was boring, and I know a few former (and I think still present) staff members thought so too. That being said, I can't wait to meet Katana.

Still, why does that bother you so much. If you enjoy the characters, by all means, enjoy the characters. A comment I made on YouTube expressing my opinion over not only a fictional character, but a fanfiction character should not matter to you.
Greg Bishansky
posted @ Sun, Mar 30, 2008 11:48:09 pm EDT from 75.56.245.4

hey! i was just on youtube and watched a time dancers tribute, but in the comments, there was someone who had worked on TGS and said that she thought sata was boring and that the twins were stupid. she also said that most if the staff thought so too. is that true. hope not:(
lonerider26 - [sgolab at comcast dot net]
posted @ Sun, Mar 30, 2008 8:26:38 pm EDT from 71.239.117.121

Lonerider> Have you been reading the comic books? If you like TGS, you should pick up the comics. You will love them. Greg Weisman's official continuation.
Greg Bishansky
posted @ Sat, Mar 29, 2008 9:57:25 pm EDT from 75.56.245.4

*Hugs Spen*

lonerider- why yes, we do have an extremely pared-down staff compared to the 30-odd people involved back when TGS was started, and dare I say, going strong. Spen covered the rest. We have had some recent resurgence in offers to help, though.

Lady Mystic - I'm for keeping the profiles- if you are concerned about security, maybe you could "black out" (or delete) information you feel might compromise people. But I feel there is something to be said about associating your name and presence with something you feel/felt strongly about, and being able to come back years later and still see it there. (Then again, I do have a thing about monuments to the past being reminders of what our future could be.) Are you two having the free time to work on the site overhaul again? I'd really like to see the whole thing- esp. the front page- implemented in the design you guys came up with.
Lynati - [Lynati_1 at hotmail dot com]
posted @ Fri, Mar 28, 2008 1:04:58 pm EDT from 71.175.143.226

lonerider26 - <still, i wish you guys would post more.> Not posting does not mean that we are not around. As soon as feel up to it, I'm editing my review of gargoyles issue #8 to repost it a couple of places including Ask Greg.
dph_of_rules
Whatever happenned to simplicity?
posted @ Fri, Mar 28, 2008 8:42:32 am EDT from 98.20.198.230

Lady Mysic : 1. What information in the CR Information section do you find unnecessary or too cumbersome/complex? What suggestions do you have for changes/improvements?

Not much, really.

2. What information do you think can be omitted without hindrance to forum users (for example, Request Guidelines and Development sections)?

Yeah, I guess request guidelines could go. Can't really think of anything else.

3. Do you still want new and additional avatars added to the CR, or is the current usable supply sufficient?

Hmm. The current number is certainly more than sufficiant, however, I was hoping that at least one picture of Mary Sefton would eventually be added (seing that she was a regular and all).

4. Do you still want a CR Member's section? If so, do you still want the ability to create and update your member profile?

Yes and yes. I still use the section fairly frequently, and the only reason I haven't gotten a profile myself is because my birthday is on August fourth, and that's a rather crowded day already. As for the security issue, I personally think that it was a chance they took when they first posted them, and I myself don't really see how one could really get much in the way of damaging information from them. If this were a larger forum I'd be far more wary, but as small and out of the way as this place is, I don't think there's much to be worried about.

5. Do you still want a manually updated events calendar for the CR Member's section? (An automated one will require recoding and a redesign.) Or would a simple list of events (that doesn't need to be updated to reflect the year's format) be sufficient?

I quite like that last idea. For one thing, it would eliminate my main barrier to having a member profile. And on a computer as slow as mine, it would probably load quicker.

6. Any other suggestions, recommendations, concerns, or comments? If so, this is the time to voice them!

Not that I can think of. I'll let you know if I come up with anything.

Lonerider26 : Welcome to the comment room! The end of "Longest Day, Part One" was a dream sequence. Can't remember off the top of my head whose dream it was, though.

While yes, the main series has not been updated since before 9/11, Timedancer, Pendragon, and Untold Tales have all had new episodes since then. While you're waiting for the new season, you might want to check those out; they're all exellent, particularly the latter two.
And I'm fairly sure that Mei Sing will be coming back next season (just my guess though, I'm not on staff).

And you aren't the only one who wishes everyone would post more. Feel free to post anytime you want, though. If you have any questions, comments, complaints, or anything at all related to TGS, I'm sure that either DPH, Lynati or myself will respond as soon as we see it. (Of course, that's not always daily, since there's rarely any posting here.)
Spen
posted @ Fri, Mar 28, 2008 5:03:24 am EDT from 66.43.205.110

thanks for responding! i kinda figured it out on my own though. still, i wish you guys would post more. kepp up the good work:)
lonerider26 - [sgolab at comcast dot net]
posted @ Thu, Mar 27, 2008 11:23:02 pm EDT from 71.239.117.121

1. What information in the CR Information section do you find unnecessary or too cumbersome/complex? What suggestions do you have for changes/improvements?

Honestly, I think you've kept it quite neat and trim, having just a little more than what is minimally required.

2. What information do you think can be omitted without hindrance to forum users (for example, Request Guidelines and Development sections)?

Just the two you mentioned, although an argument can be made for the members section.

3. Do you still want new and additional avatars added to the CR, or is the current usable supply sufficient?

I like the number we have here. Now if there were new stories and more art, that would be another matter, but for now the list is long enough.

4. Do you still want a CR Member's section? If so, do you still want the ability to create and update your member profile?

Well, since I want mine pared down quite a bit already, and I don't think it's viewed all that much, I don't think it's necessary anymore.

5. Do you still want a manually updated events calendar for the CR Member's section? (An automated one will require recoding and a redesign.) Or would a simple list of events (that doesn't need to be updated to reflect the year's format) be sufficient?

I like the second one. Less of a coding issue.

6. Any other suggestions, recommendations, concerns, or comments? If so, this is the time to voice them!

Na. Brain hurt at the moment.
Fire Storm
posted @ Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:21:29 pm EDT from 75.41.108.191

My thoughts on the survey:

I, personally, find it unnecessary to include additional CR images when very few of the current ones are even used. I also believe the CR Members section can be deactivated, and possibly, deleted due to lack of activity. There are only one or two CR Members who actually update their profile data anymore. And given how much time has passed since some members have participated in the forum, I have some concern over the security of their data. While anyone can search the archives to get details, it's far too easy to obtain said info from abandoned profiles. (Yes, I'm entitled to a change in perspective. While I like archiving and maintaining the integrity of data, I value security and privacy even more.)

The extensive guidelines for submitting forum feature requests was necessary upon its inception due to the volume of requests, but I feel this is unnecessary now. Very few requests for forum features are made anymore. Any requests can easily be broadcasted to me through the forum or via email.

Essentially, I feel the CR Information section should be pared down to better suit the current needs of the forum. If more features (for the complementary resources, or for the actual forum) were needed, I would recommend relocating the Comment Room to Ning.com, which offers a great platform, free service, customizable features, and optional add-ons.
Lady Mystic - [<--- NING]
posted @ Thu, Mar 27, 2008 1:04:07 pm EDT from 75.41.108.191

Spen: That's just what I had in mind! The lack of room wipes necessitates a different archiving presentation.


****** TGS CR INFORMATION UPDATE ******

ARCHIVE:

The archive has been updated to include CR posts from the year 2007, which happens to be - as all of you know - one single file. As such, you can find archived weeks/posts from the years 2006 and 2007 (to the present) by clicking on "2006-Present). For consistency, links are presented in the same format as "Incomplete" CR weeks.

I also corrected the broken links that were brought to my attention by Spen. (Thanks Spen!)

ADMINS PAGE:

Administrator's names are now linked to their respective CR member profiles, where available. I thought users, particularly new users, might appreciate and benefit from this little addition.

NO ASSISTANT ADMIN:

Fire Storm, who used to be an Assistant Admin of CR Information, has stepped down from that official title for personal reasons. He will, however, aid me with PHP programming when needed. Additionally, he has stopped using his email address due to uncontrollable amounts of spam. You can reach him through me.

CR MEMBER PROFILES:

Fire Storm's and Lady Mystic's profiles have been updated, mainly to reflect the omission of their deactivated websites.

I have purposefully refrained from updating the Member's calendar pages. (See the survey below.)

All updated pages can be viewed via my name link.

****** END TGS CR INFORMATION UPDATE ******


###### SURVEY - PLEASE PARTICIPATE ######

The CR Information section may be too unnecessarily extensive for the size and activity level of our forum. I believe I have made it become too complex for such a small community, and too time consuming to maintain alongside my other responsibilities. I don't want to make any changes or delete any data, without the community's approval. Please help me decide, and make my future tasks easier for me to handle.

1. What information in the CR Information section do you find unnecessary or too cumbersome/complex? What suggestions do you have for changes/improvements?

2. What information do you think can be omitted without hindrance to forum users (for example, Request Guidelines and Development sections)?

3. Do you still want new and additional avatars added to the CR, or is the current usable supply sufficient?

4. Do you still want a CR Member's section? If so, do you still want the ability to create and update your member profile?

5. Do you still want a manually updated events calendar for the CR Member's section? (An automated one will require recoding and a redesign.) Or would a simple list of events (that doesn't need to be updated to reflect the year's format) be sufficient?

6. Any other suggestions, recommendations, concerns, or comments? If so, this is the time to voice them!

##### END SURVEY - THANKS FOR PARTICIPATING #####
Lady Mystic
Admin of TGS CR Information
posted @ Thu, Mar 27, 2008 12:43:23 pm EDT from 75.41.108.191

Hello remaining folks,

Got a merchandise news flash. Over at Hot Topic they have a sale on novelty tees (Buy 1 get 1 half off) The latest marquee items in the store where tees featuring the Disney Afternoon characters. Ducktales, Talespin and *fanfare* Gargoyles. So if your Gathering '03 t-shirt is feeling a little snug and you still want to represent your love of Gargoyles slip on over to your nearest Hot Topic while the sale lasts.
Taleweaver
posted @ Thu, Mar 27, 2008 10:38:26 am EDT from 71.165.148.221

lonerider - May I refer you to http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/resources/ for answers to your question. "The Longest Day" occurs during Season 2. The episode where Goliath & Elisa get married occurs during Season 3. You can do the math to find out which comes first.
dph_of_rules
http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/trivia.php
posted @ Thu, Mar 27, 2008 1:26:51 am EDT from 98.20.198.230

hey! if you ever do finish the episodes like you said, does that b**** mei hsing and her second in command return? i hate her!!! i hope you respond soon;)
lonerider26 - [sgolab at comcast dot net]
posted @ Wed, Mar 26, 2008 11:41:50 pm EDT from 71.239.117.121

hey! i just noticed that you guys haven't posted anything since before the world trade center was bombed! wow!*she blinks with amasment!* you really don't have that much of a staff anymore. and you're spoiler talks about summer 2005. what's up with that? hope ya respond.;)
lonerider26 - [sgolab at comcast dot net]
posted @ Wed, Mar 26, 2008 11:25:31 pm EDT from 71.239.117.121

please! i know i'm being a bit persistent, but that episode really bugged me:(
lonerider26 - [sgolab at comcast dot net]
posted @ Wed, Mar 26, 2008 11:13:00 pm EDT from 71.239.117.121

please! someone answer me! i'm a real fan and i've read all the episodes, even when goliath and elisa get married! i just want to know if the episode the longest day part one happened before that or after:(
lonerider26 - [sgolab at comcast dot net]
posted @ Wed, Mar 26, 2008 11:08:36 pm EDT from 71.239.117.121

does anyone know if the clan survives in the episode the longest day part one? it kinda confused me.:0
lonerider26 - [sgolab at comcast dot net]
posted @ Wed, Mar 26, 2008 11:02:48 pm EDT from 71.239.117.121

For those of you in the shadows who might be wandering, yes, gargoyloes issue #8 came out this week.
dph_of_rules
http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/trivia.php
posted @ Wed, Mar 26, 2008 9:14:28 pm EDT from 98.20.198.230

From Ask Greg:

I think Gargoyles #8 should be out on Wednesday, March 26th. I think. Not sure about Bad Guys #2, although BOTH it and Bad Guys #3 are complete, complete.

As good a time as any for an update...

Bad Guys #4 is fully roughed out and being pencilled and inked by Karine.

Gargoyles #9 is also fully roughed and being pencilled by David.

Gargoyles #10 is fully scripted.

I'm scripting Red Tornado #2 right now, and then I'll jump onto Bad Guys #5.

You know, in between this Spider-Man thing.
dph_of_rules
http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/trivia.php
posted @ Tue, Mar 25, 2008 4:57:11 pm EDT from 98.20.236.179

Happy Easter, everyone!

Heh, I just realized, I've now been posting here for three years. Wish I could go back and edit that first post, though. (And almost every post after that. :) Ah well, I guess it's just as well that my stupidity is forever enshrined in the archives. If we could edit past posts, there wouldn't be any historical value to it all.

Lady Mystic : Speaking of the archive, I've been thinking, is it really necessary to have seperate years these days? What I mean is, since 2007 & 2008 will only be having two "weeks", shouldn't we just put them in a "2006-Present" folder? It would also save on unnecessary double posting. Just an idea.
Spen
posted @ Sun, Mar 23, 2008 3:38:03 am EDT from 66.43.205.110

*twenty-one Obelisk salute for good ol' C. Clarke*

Rest in peace, inspiration for FBA.
Guardian - [Guardian105 at GMail dot com]
If you have the GargoylesDM font, could you please send it to me?
posted @ Wed, Mar 19, 2008 7:42:21 pm EDT from 69.230.90.89

We have lost another literary light. Arthur C. Clark died at the age of 90.
Staringer
posted @ Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:43:17 pm EDT from 65.54.97.152

Spen: Thanks for letting me know. I found the typos in the URLs and will correct them ASAP. I'll also add last year's posts to the CR Archive. :)
Lady Mystic
Admin of TGS CR Information
posted @ Tue, Mar 18, 2008 3:27:14 pm EDT from 75.41.108.191

Happy Saint Patrick's day, everyone!
Spen
posted @ Mon, Mar 17, 2008 9:47:03 pm EDT from 66.43.205.110

Diamond comics has pushed back its estimated release date for issue #8 to be the 26th of March.
dph_of_rules
http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/trivia.php
posted @ Mon, Mar 17, 2008 7:07:55 pm EDT from 98.20.201.174

Lady Mystic : There appears to be a problem with the CR archive. In the 1998 archive, the first week of the months of July, September October, November, & December all come up as "File not found". Of course, this could just be my computer acting up as usual, but I wanted to let you know just in case.
Spen
posted @ Fri, Mar 14, 2008 6:03:19 pm EDT from 66.43.205.110

New issue up of the gargoyles webcomic , if anyone is interested

Http://www.ka-blamo.com/gargs

Sorry it took so long to get site update. Stupid life troubles :P But im back online agian and hope to learn more about the SLG comic. I only own one and two. I am so behind.
Shara - [Jeanie54_2000 at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Fri, Mar 14, 2008 12:33:29 am EDT from 76.170.156.182

I read a small article about Gary Gygax in Newsweek. Did he pass away of 'natural causes,' or had he been ill? Regardless, I salute him. I never participated in any pen/paper RPGs, but certainly, if it weren't for him, none of us would probably be here discussing Gargoyles now.
Guardian - [Guardian105 at GMail dot com]
I'm searching for the GargoylesDM font. If you have it, could you send it to me please?
posted @ Thu, Mar 13, 2008 4:04:15 pm EDT from 69.230.66.35

Two bits of good news:

1)Diamond comics has published an estimated release date of March 10 for gargoyles issue #8.

2)According to Greg Weisman, Bad Guys issue #2 is at Disney's office. If patterns hold true, I predict a release date April 16th or sooner for bg issue #2. Note, this is *my* prediction, not anything official.
dph_of_rules
Whatever happenned to simplicity?
posted @ Mon, Mar 10, 2008 7:24:54 pm EDT from 98.20.237.165

Sorry I've been away guys, not like anyone noticed. I'm still trying to do my best to keep up with gargoyle stuff. Not that easy when I live in a city where i don't even know where there is a comic book shop. I personally am planning to wait until San Diego Comic Con and get all the comics i don't have there and have them signed by the creators. That will be awesome. By the way is anyone out there interested in helping me create characters for an idea i have for a cartoon.
louis - [louisr at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Thu, Mar 6, 2008 7:45:22 pm EST from 66.17.0.210

I'm not sure if anyone here is a pen and paper gamer, but for those that are, E.Gary Gygax passed away today. 1938-2008. He was the creator of Dungeons and Dragons, and had an important founder of all RPGs as we know them today.
Dawndove - [rose_garden22 at yahoo dot ca]
posted @ Wed, Mar 5, 2008 8:34:39 pm EST from 209.195.88.196

Oh yea, one more thing: www.gargoylescomic.com is the website where Ed Reynolds is posting news.
dph_of_rules
http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/trivia.php
posted @ Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:17:28 pm EST from 98.20.130.170

Courtney Dornburg - <Hey has comic #11 come out yet?> There is a fallacy in your logic. Issue #11 will come out after issue #10 comes out. Issue #10 hasn't come out yet. Issue #10 will come out after issue #9 comes out. Issue #9 hasn't come out yet. Issue #9 will come out after issue #8 comes out. Issue #8 is what is currently being waited on. We know issue #8 isn't coming out this week. We are fairly sure that issue #8 isn't coming out next week. The earliest possible date that we expect is March 19. Ed Reynolds has created a mailing list - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/slg-gargoyles/ - to keep people informed about when comics are released.
dph_of_rules
http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/trivia.php
posted @ Mon, Mar 3, 2008 8:14:20 pm EST from 98.20.130.170

Hey has comic #11 come out yet?
Courtney Dornburg
posted @ Mon, Mar 3, 2008 6:33:04 pm EST from 98.224.239.126

Ohhh, spam with poor spelling.
Staringer
posted @ Mon, Mar 3, 2008 7:55:00 am EST from 65.54.97.192

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AND WE PRAY THAT THE ALMIGHTY GOD BLESS SOOOOOOOO MUCH IN JESUS NAME AMEN.
PASTOR DANIEL
KIRUMIRA DANIEL - [kiruniel at yahoo dot com]
daniel
posted @ Sun, Mar 2, 2008 1:19:30 pm EST from 81.199.24.18

No one has seemed to mention it here, but Spike has an announcement on DeviantArt that Hot Topic now has a Gargoyles T-shirt. Now if only I had $19, LOL.
Dezi
Bosanova!! ...Bosanova?....CHEVY NOVA?
posted @ Sat, Mar 1, 2008 5:52:04 am EST from 68.58.100.212

Who needs fanfic when you have the real thing?

GARGOYLES #11
by Greg Weisman and David Hedgecock

"Clan-Building," Chapter 11: Tyrant. A TimeDancing Brooklyn from the present comes face to face with his past self, frozen in stone for a thousand years! Can he team with a pair of faux sorceresses to save himself, his clan, and the Grimorum Arcanorum that will someday set them all free?

24pgs, FC................................. $3.95
Greg Bishansky
posted @ Thu, Feb 28, 2008 12:20:12 pm EST from 75.56.245.4

Anthiena - There is something that you can help with. Spread the word about the gargoyles dvds and comics.
dph_of_rules
http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/trivia.php
posted @ Wed, Feb 27, 2008 6:41:56 am EST from 98.20.176.131

Meh. I should really get myself some more reliable time on the internet. I would love to help on this, but I seriously need to do a lot of rewatching, especially the Avalon bits and I just found the Gathering on Youtube. Lovely.
Anthiena - [calla_anthiena at yahoo dot com]
Grah....
posted @ Tue, Feb 26, 2008 12:06:23 pm EST from 216.16.65.212

RIP: Larry Norman. Father of Contemporary Christian music. Yes, I have some of his music, given to me by a friend, Keith Richards. No, not the Keith Richards, but another Keith Richards.
dph_of_rules
http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/trivia.php
posted @ Tue, Feb 26, 2008 3:28:51 am EST from 98.20.246.23

I lost the GargoylesDM font when my brother switched out the computers, and I haven't been able to find it anywhere online. Would anyone be willing to send it to me if they have it?
Guardian - [Guardian105 at GMail dot com]
posted @ Mon, Feb 18, 2008 11:36:54 pm EST from 69.230.49.236

Happy Valentine's day, everyone!
Spen
posted @ Thu, Feb 14, 2008 2:24:42 am EST from 66.43.205.110

**dph grabs a automatic air-powered staple gun, pulls out a poster, lays the poster on a wall, lets go of the poster, rapid fires the staple gun. A new world record is achieved. The poster has the following message:

MIA: Guandalug la'Fay
Wanted for contact to adjust multiple pages on the gargoyles-fans.org websites to advertise for gargoyles comics. Those websites have a high ranking on the search engines so advertising on those would help a bunch.**
dph_of_rules
http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/trivia.php
posted @ Thu, Feb 14, 2008 1:54:36 am EST from 98.20.221.47

Yo.
Just to make the room feel better.
*pats room*
Continue on.
Dezi
Bosanova!! ...Bosanova?....CHEVY NOVA?
posted @ Wed, Feb 13, 2008 8:03:24 pm EST from 68.58.100.212

Hey all, I hope everyone has been doing good. Anyways I just have to say I can't wait for more stuff from this place. Especially timedancer. Well hope everyone is doing well.
louis - [louisr at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Wed, Feb 6, 2008 4:01:15 pm EST from 66.17.0.210

Actually, I was thinking about doing that for all the stuff we don't get to after TGS Gargoyls Season 4 is out. Rahsaan has actually started to get us some feedback on the incomplete outlines in the last couple weeks, and it's sparked recent work on two separate stories.
Lynati
posted @ Wed, Feb 6, 2008 6:01:24 am EST from 72.94.103.121

There hasn't been a full season for upwards of 4 years now and I know Greg and Robby at least have given up keeping any of the 'secrets'. It's been said a very skeletal skeleton crew is working on more stuff -- but this was the case 4 years ago as well. In the entire 18 months I was there I think only three people other than myself contributed more than one whole, new outline, and they all left. I'd guess from this that the remaining people aren't really numerous enough or able to give the time or energy to push a project this ambition to completion.

It's a bit of a shame because in 2003 at least there were some pretty good stories -- and at least half a dozen completed or near completion in some sort of draft form. The window to bring the series to a dignified climax and give way to the official continuation in the comics has passed, but I'd be happy to see a kind of 'gallery of unseen stories' collecting the notes and plots and drafts that are still out there. I think people would still get a kick out of it all. Oh well.
Ed
posted @ Mon, Feb 4, 2008 7:39:34 pm EST from 213.187.39.61

A belated happy birthday to you DPH. Many more.

I'm not sure if this is the right place to post this but I've not had any luck running down info about if TGS is still functioning in any capacity. I'm hopeful that I can reach somebody on the Staff if it still is an ongoing concern.

Anyone have any news one way or the other?
Ф
Gray - [mimirr at hotmail dot com]
Ф
posted @ Mon, Feb 4, 2008 7:15:38 am EST from 128.221.197.20

Somebody remembered today is my birthday? **collapses**
dph_of_rules
http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/trivia.php
posted @ Sat, Feb 2, 2008 5:06:51 pm EST from 98.20.146.216

Of all the things to come to mind at 5AM. Happy birthday, DPH!
Spen
posted @ Sat, Feb 2, 2008 5:58:49 am EST from 66.43.205.110

I'd like to thank you first off for churning out a fanfiction universe. I'd like to say good job, I could imagine some of the scenes, doubtless my fanfiction writing for other fandoms helps on that. I'd like to request your permission to use my interpretation of Angela's human form in the second chapter of my fanfic Sir Xander.Please either e-mail or review on www.tthfanfic.com on the story Sir Xander by Rothos.
Rothos1 - [rothos at hotmail dot com]
posted @ Wed, Jan 30, 2008 5:43:00 pm EST from 71.232.212.167

Finally there is talk on the boards again. I would of helped but I don't own any dvds so I just hoped to stumble on the episode on toon disney.
louis - [louisr at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Wed, Jan 30, 2008 11:44:41 am EST from 66.17.0.210

216 hours. Not bad. Here, I thought it was going to be 336+ hours.
dph_of_rules
http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/trivia.php
posted @ Tue, Jan 29, 2008 2:39:43 pm EST from 98.20.134.123

Doop: I believe it was Luna.
Harvester of Eyes
"And if you hear me talking on the wind, you've got to understand we must remain perfect strangers..."
posted @ Tue, Jan 29, 2008 6:49:04 am EST from 71.62.198.251

In City of Stone Pt. 4, when the Weird Sisters are talking to Demona at the end, which one says "Who betrayed MacBeth to Canmore?" Was it Seline?
Doop
posted @ Fri, Jan 18, 2008 12:43:03 pm EST from 24.128.120.47

Thanks friend. That should help me.
louis - [louisr at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Wed, Jan 16, 2008 3:07:17 pm EST from 66.17.0.210

Louis, that specific info does not exist. But anything and everything you ever could want to know about Gargoyles that does exist can be found here:

http://gargoyles.dracandros.com/
Greg Bishansky
"Hey, it's that kid who reminds me of my lost youth and innocense. If I kill him I bet I can symbolically kill my own fear and vulnerability. Man, that's deep. Oh, no! It backfired! Now I'm more emo than ever, CRAP!"
posted @ Fri, Jan 11, 2008 7:11:55 pm EST from 75.56.245.4

Thanks for that Lynati. Oh I know I asked people this last year and never got a response. Does anyone know first off where I can find specific details on each gargoyle, like height, wing span, etc.
louis - [louisr at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Fri, Jan 11, 2008 4:11:44 pm EST from 66.17.0.210

louis- yes, and I still need to look up the answers to what you asked.

DPH - money isn't the problem. the problem is something to the effect of the host site said the domain had expired, and the domain people said that no, the domain name had been renewed automatically. Gunjack thinks it might have been renewed pointing to the old location; they're working on getting it sorted out.
Lynati - [Lynati_1 at hotmail dot com]
posted @ Wed, Jan 9, 2008 10:36:10 am EST from 71.175.149.8

Lynati - did Lain & Gunjack have enough money to keep their website online? Lain mentioned that she was off for the last 2 weeks of December.
dph_of_rules
Whatever happenned to simplicity?
posted @ Tue, Jan 8, 2008 10:26:16 pm EST from 98.20.251.54

Oh, yeah. They still wipe this room, don't they? Well, maybe I'll make the top ten next year.
Harvester of Eyes
"And if you hear me talking on the wind, you've got to understand we must remain perfect strangers..."
posted @ Tue, Jan 8, 2008 6:47:39 am EST from 71.62.198.251

hey Lynati, did you get my email? Oh and I know this is late but happy New Year to all.
louis - [louisr at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Mon, Jan 7, 2008 4:54:23 pm EST from 66.17.0.210

Yeah, it's a domain problem they are fixing.
Lynati - [Lynati_1 at hotmail dot com]
posted @ Sun, Jan 6, 2008 7:13:09 am EST from 71.175.149.8

Did something happen to Lain/Gunjack's website at www.lurkingfish.com ?
dph_of_rules
Whatever happenned to simplicity?
posted @ Sat, Jan 5, 2008 1:38:49 pm EST from 98.20.210.219

Lucky number 13.


*drops a pin*
Courtney
posted @ Sat, Jan 5, 2008 12:36:22 pm EST from 98.224.239.126

12th!
Ed
posted @ Fri, Jan 4, 2008 2:32:43 pm EST from 213.187.39.204

On a side note, might as well, change the "this week" and "last week" links to "this year" and "last year" ;)
Leo
posted @ Fri, Jan 4, 2008 12:02:57 am EST from 68.107.157.17

Snerg! oh well, 11th.
Leo
posted @ Thu, Jan 3, 2008 11:59:27 pm EST from 68.107.157.17

#10 to round out before the end of the week
Taleweaver
posted @ Thu, Jan 3, 2008 10:32:35 am EST from 71.165.148.246

Ooooo Nine!
Dezi
Bosanova!! ...Bosanova?....CHEVY NOVA?
posted @ Wed, Jan 2, 2008 3:05:56 pm EST from 68.58.70.236

Eight for 2008 :)

Greg X> I'm going to look for Gargoyles comics on Amazon after work. The upcoming stuff sounds intriguing.
Thomas Forsyth - [tmlforsyth at gmail dot com]
posted @ Wed, Jan 2, 2008 12:38:43 am EST from 217.194.139.131

Seventh! I've almost forgotten that this room could be wiped.
Spen
posted @ Tue, Jan 1, 2008 11:44:39 pm EST from 66.43.205.110

I've been at work all day!! Sixth!!
Starsinger
posted @ Tue, Jan 1, 2008 9:45:59 pm EST from 65.54.97.152

Happy New Year to everyone! Oh, and #5. You have to love the fivers.
Vinnie - [tpeano29 at hotmail dot com]
It's silly. It's a silly movie. There just isn't much there. Once you take it all apart, there's not much story, is there?- George Lucas on Spider-Man 3
posted @ Tue, Jan 1, 2008 7:22:32 pm EST from 69.54.209.41

#4

Thanks, Aaron
dph_of_rules
http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/trivia.php
posted @ Tue, Jan 1, 2008 6:56:49 pm EST from 98.20.247.24

::Drops a pin::

Seen the solicitations for the next several comics?

"From the Holy Land to the British Isles... everyone wants a piece of the Rock. Xanatos, Macbeth, Coldsteel, Thailog, Merlin, Cu Chullain and the gargoyles strive to find it, possess it and learn its darkest secrets. All this and Fox's new shoes in CLAN-BUILDING, Chapter 8: Rock & Roll."

"CLAN BUILDING: Chapter 9, "Rock of Ages" - David Xanatos makes his final play for the Rock - in broad daylight when the gargoyles sleep as stone! But will the Illuminati be pleased with the end result? And what's this obsession over Fox's new shoes?"

"The Gate." Brooklyn could really use some time away from the Clan, but when the time-traveling Phoenix Gate materializes before his eyes, maybe the phrase "look, but don't touch" should have come to mind. Careful what you wish for, Brooklyn!"

"The Japanese gargoyle Yama has been banished from Clan Ishimura until such time as his lost honor can be restored. Truly alone for the first time in his long life, he becomes a target of the Hunter, a human who has spent her life training to destroy the gargoyle race. So when Hunter and her new teammates, Dingo & Matrix, catch up to him, Yama is offered no mercy - and a job?"

"While Hunter, Dingo, Matrix and Yama are in Manhattan, trying to uncover why Doctor Sevarius freed Fang from prison, Hunter takes a break from the team to make peace with her wayward brothers - Jason Canmore and John Castaway!"
Greg Bishansky
"Hey, it's that kid who reminds me of my lost youth and innocense. If I kill him I bet I can symbolically kill my own fear and vulnerability. Man, that's deep. Oh, no! It backfired! Now I'm more emo than ever, CRAP!"
posted @ Tue, Jan 1, 2008 6:53:57 pm EST from 67.87.175.245

*gives Aaron a new-year's glomping*

Thank you.
Lynati - [Lynati_1 at hotmail dot com]
posted @ Tue, Jan 1, 2008 6:32:16 pm EST from 71.185.86.80

Wow, I'd forgotten how to do that...
Aaron
posted @ Tue, Jan 1, 2008 5:39:17 pm EST from 70.243.164.164