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Damien writes...

I've just recently gotten into Gargoyles and love it so far, especially Demona. I have to say that I really feel sorry for the way she's been treated by humans in the past and it explains her behaviour when she meets Goliath again.
I loved the animation, even 'Enter Macbeth' wasn't that bad (the storyline compensates for the animation I suppose).
I'd have to say that the overall concept (good monsters fighting evil) was aimed at kids. But the individul
episodes, plots and storylines (including Shakespeare characters and plays) attracted an older audience.
I love the idea of the interspecies romance between Elisa and Goliath. It brings the two races together. This also probably attracted an older audience. If gargoyles was ever revived on television again, would you consider putting it on a channel that more adults watched? It might help the ratings of the show.
I was disappointed to learn that the I was watching re-runs of the show.
I can't wait to see the movie and I'm sure it will encourage Disney to revive the show again.

Greg responds...

I'd put the show on whatever channel would take it, frankly.

Response recorded on August 19, 2000

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Anonymous writes...

Comment for thought: When I went to some "The Real Adventures of Jonny Quest" sites, I saw a note that the producers had sent to answer questions about how they linked the '90's version to the 70's version of the show. The new writers stated that they, being big Quest fanatics, had looked over the old series, the 80's series, and two movies. They decided that the two movies and 80's series didn't conform to the 70's series so they said that the movies and 80's series would be nice fiction but, as far as they were concerned, never existed. If and when you ever bring "Gargoyles" back, you could just say that TGC were nice episodes but they had nothing to do with "Gargoyles" and you can start from where you left off.

Greg responds...

I'm leaning toward not including those 12 episodes in the canon, and if necessary, using the internet to explain.

But it won't be my decision alone, unfortunately.

Response recorded on August 02, 2000

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Phil (repost by Aris) writes...

Greg, thanks for your time.

I'd like to offer my treatise on the status of Disney TV animation. As a former development exec you're uniquely qualified to comment on my thoughts. This can go under the category: Bringing Gargoyles Back.

First let me say that I became a Gargoyles fan because I was already a Disney fan. I enjoyed almost everything on the Disney Afternoon: Gummi Bears, Tale Spin, Aladdin, etc. (My friends joke that if Pokemon were renamed Disney's Pokemon I'd love that too.)

Although Disney's acquisition of Captial Cities/ABC was a great move for the company as a whole, it was a blow to the creativity level of TV animation. After its first eclectic year of finishing off projects in progress, Disney's Saturday morning lineup hit its stride with "One Saturday Morning." An entire line-up of cartoons on a single theme: pre-teens in school.

I really enjoyed Doug, Recess, and Pepper Ann at first. Now, however, in their third (Doug's fourth) seasons, it's getting a little redundant. Even last week's premier of a new show, The Weekenders, was somewhat familiar. Disney's syndicated series (formerly Disney Afternoon, now Disney's One Too) are also the same ones we see on Saturday.

This doesn't bode well for the return of Gargoyles. Unless your Dark Ages spinoff focuses on the trio as kids, it just doesn't fit into the precast mold. What's a Gargoyles fan to do? Barring Saturday morning and syndication, I see two other alternatives.

First, the hour-long prime-time drama. This is an intriguing and exciting idea. Something new and different. A recent USA Today interview with Bob Iger (Disney's new president) vaunted his support for new and different ideas. A dramatic cartoon, however, may be a little too different.

A second obstacle to the prime-time drama idea is the change in audience. Goliath's clan would require too much review and explanation to get a new audience up to speed. Perhaps one of the spin-offs that doesn't have as much pre-established history would work in this format (Pendragon, New Olympians).

That leaves only one viable option for the Manhattan clan: Toon Disney. The Disney Channel started its sister operation over a year ago to compete with the Cartoon Network owned by AOL / Time / Warner / Turner / Hanna-Barbera / etc. (PS: How does that compare to Xanatos's conglomeration? Sorry. Separate question, separate post.)

There is one primary difference between Cartoon Network and Toon Disney: original programming. As much as I like Gummi Bears, DuckTales, Tale Spin, etc., a man can only watch so many reruns. I see this as an excellent outlet for pent up creativity in the Disney TV animation department. They could go beyond the cookie cutter Saturday shows and direct-to-video movie sequels and do new and different things with less risk, since Toon Disney does't rely on advertising.

Toon Disney could ovbiously benefit from a little corporate attention. Their decision not to show "Deadly Force" tells me that there's not a lot of thought going into programming. Whatever is gathering dust in the Disney and DIC vaults is put on the air as long as it's appropriate for little kids, according to some clerk.

It is my conclusion that the best bet for bringing back Gargoyles is Toon Disney, but only if the Company is seriously interested in making it a competitive challenger to the Cartoon Network and not just a dumping ground for old programs.

This turned out to be a longer ramble than I expected, but thanks again for your time, Greg.

Greg responds...

Toon Disney, as far as I know right now, does not have the budget to make new episodes of ANYTHING.

And I don't see anyone making an hour primetime animated drama anytime soon.

So in the short term, neither of your suggestions seems viable.

But I'm in this for the long haul. And over time, things change. Syndication is dismal, but ABC's Saturday Morning could shake up. Once upon a time, the Disney Channel had no budget for original programming either. Now they do. They currently aren't interested in Gargoyles. (I know. I asked.) But that could change in a year or two. (And if the live-action movie comes out, it could change overnight.) And some day, Toon Disney could get the money to make something.

Even the primetime arena could change.

And tv is no longer our only resource.

So don't give up. Four years ago, I warned everyone that bringing GARGOYLES back had become a long-term quest. So far most of you have stuck with me. Stick it out a few years longer. I really do think your loyalty will pay off.

Response recorded on August 01, 2000

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M.A.Heath writes...

Are you and Buena Vista gonna keep the Gargoyle series alive
or is this it?

Greg responds...

It's not really up to me. I don't currently work for Disney/Buena Vista. But I hope to someday manage to bring Gargoyles back.

(No one ever reads the archives.)

Response recorded on July 30, 2000

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Matt writes...

will there be more gargoyle shows?

Greg responds...

I sure hope so.

Response recorded on July 29, 2000

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joe c. writes...

I would like to know when will the "Gargoyles" series be on tv again.

Greg responds...

So would I.

Response recorded on July 26, 2000

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Cyberwolf writes...

I dont know if any body knows this but DVD Animania has aGargoyles petition going on, right now they have about 220 signatures. If were ever going to see any gargoyles dvd's theyre going to need a lot more so please help.

Greg responds...

Uh, a link might have helped.

But thanks for helping me spread the word. Everybody, please, sign up!!

Response recorded on July 24, 2000

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Laura aka 'ad astra' writes...

Glad to see Ask Greg running again! I had downloaded the old archives, (or most of them) sometime last year. I checked periodically and it seemed the page was down. I gave up on the Ask Greg page and only checked it again on a lark. It took me weeks to read through everything!

Oh, a question-

You seem to have a much more optimistic view on the series coming back then when last I checked in. Has something changed? To be more precise- Before you seemed to say "long shot at best for the series in any form, even the live action movie seems dead". Now the movie doesn't sound dead, and the long term revival hopes good, (lost the quote, sorry). I am much heartened, and almost as curious.

I have many more questions to follow, but for now I want to say thank you for doing this, and thanks to Gorebash for running it.

Greg responds...

The movie isn't a lost cause. It hasn't progressed an inch really, but normally after this much time that would result in its death. They'd give up. But they absolutely haven't given up. In fact, they've just hired a NEW writer. Touchstone/Disney REALLY, REALLY wants to make this movie. So that keeps me optimistic. (And the success of X-Men doesn't hurt either.)

I don't love that Toon Disney is editing episodes and refuses to air "Deadly Force". But they ARE airing the show about twice a day. That gives me hope.

I haven't given up in any way, shape or form. I'm still in there trying to come up with ways to bring the show back in some, well, way, shape or form. In fact, I've got a new nefarious plan in the works now with Doug Murphy, a former GARGOYLES (and BAD GUYS) storyboard artist. Too soon to talk about now, but give me time.

The response here at ASK GREG is overwhelming. That means fan interest still exists. And I'm VERY heartened by the continuing success of the GATHERINGS. That gives me hope.

In fact, people ask me what they can do to help bring the show back, and what has become clear to me is that the best single way a fan can help is by attending one or more GATHERINGS. Aside from the sheer FUN FACTOR of the convention, it is the raw numbers in attendance that will help me prove to the powers that be at Disney that the show is still viable and ready to return. Come to Orlando next month. PLEASE. It's gonna be GREAT. Guests include myself, Thom Adcox, Brad Rader and Greg Guler.

And without doubt, plan to come to next years GATHERING in Los Angeles. I guarantee we will have over twenty members of the cast and crew in attendance. And if the fan attendance numbers are big enough, we will bring Disney Execs and show them first hand the opportunity they are missing out on. Do NOT MISS THAT ONE if you want to see the show back on the air.

Response recorded on July 18, 2000

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Bubbles writes...

Hey I'm a realy big fan of Gargoyles and I have two questions.
1. I was just wondering if it were true that there is a Gargoyle movie being made?

2. Do you think that Disney or who ever will ever ask you and your crew to make Gargoyles again?

Thanks for you time!

Greg responds...

1. Yes. It's in development at Touchstone pictures. They have a new writer, Simon Kinberg, who should turn in a first draft script in October.

2. I hope so. I think so too.

Response recorded on July 17, 2000

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Jade writes...

Dear Greg,
Thank you so much for responing to my Q's. It really made me feel a lot better to know that my Q's were going to the right place. I've wacthed a few of your Max Steel shows. I think it'll be a great show. But any way on to the Q's.
1. I've looked along the archives and didn't find this question, so here it goes. Is there any way to get the show back up? I've tryed every thing I could thank of! I wrote tons of letters to Buena Vista, and at first they were nice about it then on my, oh I don't know, my tenth letter? They wrote back telling me NOT TO WRITE THEM AGAIN, can you belive that I can't. I've even called Walt Disney, and what about that they put me on hold forever! Okay that felt good getting that of my chest. Anyway if you lost the question it my "ramblings" here it is:

1. Is there any way to get the show back up?
And please don't tell me to look at the archives again. I did't want that to sound rude but it came out rude, sorry.

Greg responds...

1. Uh, did you look at the archive marked "BRINGING GARGOYLES BACK"? I mean I know you asked me not to send you to the archives, but you couldn't have looked very hard. There's an ENTIRE category where I've answered almost every variation of this question.

THe short answer is ATTEND the next two Gatherings. The one in Orlando next month and the one in Los Angeles in the summer of 2001. The best way to get the show back is to prove to Disney that the fandom is huge, intense and ready to spend money on the show. Attend the Gatherings and get as many of your friends to attend with you as possible.

Response recorded on July 11, 2000


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