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Jeremy writes...
First i would like to say that GARGOYLES was the best show i have ever seen.My first question is have you got any new offers on bringing back the series?Have you tried HBO they picked up spawn which is another kick ass show?I think they would jump at gargoyles and it would give you more freedom.If hbo did pick up gargoyles would the story's be more risky using adult themes such as drug use,swearing,nudity or murder.I personaly would love to see the saga shift into a more adult series.
Greg responds...
First off, no. No one has suggested bringing the show back except me. HBO isn't likely to want it, or to get it for that matter even assuming they did want it. They didn't "pick up" Spawn, they were the ones who brought it to the screen in the first place.
As to whether the show would get "more adult" if we had the non-broadcast freedom to be, the answer would generally be "no". I think the show appeals to adults now, without adding gratuitous elements. I wouldn't shy away from doing a drug story if I had a good story to tell about drugs. Adding curse words and nudity for their own sake doesn't interest me. I like nudity as much as the next guy, but it would have to fit. We basically showed Fox nude at the end of "Eye of the Beholder", because it made sense that she'd have no clothes on after her transformation. But I'm not out to arouse anyone. As for murder, hey, been there, done that.
The show's the show. I'd love to have freedom from standards and practices, but I won't ignore my own standards.
On the other hand, the show might get more mature, in the sense that Goliath and Elisa's relationship would continue to mature. That doesn't mean we'd be showing them engaged in sex acts, but we'd deal maturely with inter-species romance. At least I'd hope so.
Johnny C. Wu writes...
With the popularity of DVDs hitting the market, and such animated shows such as "Batman Beyond" episodes being released on DVDs, will you be able to release any of the "Gargoyles" episodes on DVD? Or is it only up to Disney to decide on that?
Greg responds...
Disney. I don't even work for them anymore.
Siren writes...
Hey Greg,
I know you said Disney has the rights to Gargs, but isn't there a way to still write Gargoyle books for Disney?... and they still get their all mighty buck.
Greg responds...
If we can get Disney interested.
Anonymous writes...
Greg;
1) So if Disney owns the rights to gargoyles, and they are basically forgetting them, why do they want to hold on to the rights?
2) For 250,000,000 would they sell the rights?
3) If someone bought the rights, owened them, and aked you to created whatever you wanted with them, (IE the Master Plan, Pendragon, time Dancer, Etc.) Would you accept? I mean would you go ahead and make new shows, Etc.?
ALL IN THEORY, OF COURSE...
Greg responds...
1. Who said they've forgotten about it? They air the show EVERY night on ToonDisney. And they're developing a Live-Action movie based on it.
2. I'm not gonna dignify this. Sorry.
3. Of course. Let me know when you've raised the cash.
Phil writes...
Hi, Greg
Great show, etc.
Living in the Midwest, I am completely ignorant about Hollywood politics. Please forgive me if I'm being to presumptious or just plain stupid.
Do you still have any contacts at Disney? What I mean is: Are you sitting by the phone (doing other work, of course) waiting for Disney to call you out of the blue? Or do you contact them periodically? It seems they need someone to remind them that they have a hot property in "Gargoyles." They should also be reminded/informed that you have up to seven animated series in various stages of development ranging from "very advanced" to "near complete."
Thanks for your time.
Greg responds...
I know a few random people at Disney, but I'm definitely not waiting for them to call me, out of the blue or otherwise. Gary Sperling is on the new Tarzan series, and he offered me a script assignment, but I'm too busy on 3X3 right now.
They know about Gargoyles, but it's just a bit underappreciated right now.
Alan Coleman Waltrip writes...
Okay... I know people have asked you this 1,001 times, but it's about a book deal... I mean, Disney does own a publishing company... hell, they more or less own the world. I feel the only reason they don't approach you for anything is that Disney is falling futhur and futhur towards simply a children's media outlet. Think about it, Princess Monoke and Fatasia 2000 were either hardly advertised or shown in such limited release that no one was able to see it. They denounced Kevin Smith's Dogma (which was originally produced under Miramax), which is one of the greatest films I've ever seen.
So, why don't you think the Disney executives don't try to target a more adult audience? Sure, there are early to mid 1990s shows and movies (The Lion King, Gargoyles, to name a few) that do appeal to a more adult audience, but with things coming out such as The Tigger Movie, I don't think Disney realizes what they're missing out on.
Okay, so that was more of a rant than a question, but I'd still like to hear your response...
Greg responds...
I'd like to rant and rave, but it's of limited value. Certain projects are targeted to certain markets. It's ridiculous to think of the Tigger Movie as proof of anything vis-a-vis Gargoyles -- as if we weren't making episodes of Winnie the Pooh at the same time we were making Gargoyles, at the same time we were making Schnookums & Meat, etc.
I haven't seen Dogma, so I can't comment on that, and I also haven't seen Sixth Sense, which was a Touchstone film, but from what I understand, that was a fairly intelligent movie targeted at a non-kid audience. And they're still developing the Garg live-action movie, so they haven't exactly given up on squeezing a dime outta the property.
Disney sees a value in Gargoyles, but not the value. We aim to change their mind. At this moment, for no particular reason, I'm confident that we will eventually succeed.
J.F.K writes...
I read earlier that you were pretty much going to ignore
all episodes of the goliath chronicles if you ever got to
do Gargoyles again. Personally I don`t think you should
ignore all of them, there were a couple of good ones in
there like the episode where Hudson fought the Quarymen
blind (forget the name of the episode) and the final episode
which I thought was a great episode.
Greg responds...
I'm sorry, but I wasn't a big fan of either of those. Particularly the last one.
Part of the problem was that the staff of Chronicles took springboards I came up with and then went WAY south with them. If I don't ignore those stories, it prevents me from doing the stories I had planned on doing. If that sets us up for comparison with more sophisticated fans who have seen both, I can live with that.
But at the moment, I'm just blue-skying. Haven't made any final decisions. And obviously won't until reality presents itself.
Wing writes...
I'm just responding to your ramblings on 1/24. This is like a conversation type format, right? Just not Novel type.
<<And, honestly, how many of you thought -- even at the very end of "Hunter's Moon, Part Two" -- that we'd REALLY blow up the clock tower? Did you anticipate that the Gargs would wind up back at the castle with Xanatos or was that a surprise? For that matter, in season one, how many of you would have thought we'd have moved them out of the castle in the first place? "Enter Macbeth" represented a defeat of sort for our heroes. Did you see that coming? >>
I'm kind of dense, actually, so I really didn't see that [the blowing up of the clock tower] coming. The first time I saw that it really was shocking. The commercial break was really a good time to think whether or not those missiles were actually going to cause large kaboom of building. Moving out of the castle wasn't as much of a shock, because Xanatos owned it, and as nobody knew gargoyles existed, they couldn't fight his return. As to the means, you caught me there.
As to internet for further Gargoyle explanations, why not? Everybody's going dot com these days. Just put under the big bold Gargoyles in the intro www.gargoyles.com :p
BTW Gargoyles had a sort of Sixth Sense factor that I theorize could've hurt the ratings. The first time you seee an episode everything is mysterious and shocking. The second time around its analyzing everything to see if it flows and everything is accurate. The third time you see if you can catch anything new. The fourth time you sit back and enjoy it. The fifth time it starts to get old, depending on the time gap inbetween four and five. In other words, would you pay to see Sixth Sense much beyond the fourth time? I think if Disney handle Gargoyles like Fox handled the Digimon series it would have lasted longer.
(Show episodes in order on weekdays, with a different running on the weekend. New episodes aired on weekends with commercials at the end of weekday episodes.) Do you agree with my evaluation at any point?
Greg responds...
I've never seen Sixth Sense, though I know the gimmick.
I've also never seen Digimon. And I'm not sure I understand what point you're trying to make about how they air it. We tried as much as possible to air the show in order. Are you saying that was a bad idea? It seems to me that any series might get a bit tired by the fifth viewing (particularly if you just saw it for the fourth time recently). I'm glad that it holds up for four viewings, and is the kind of show that you can come back to after a while and enjoy all over again. Are you saying that Digimon plays better after five viewings? Or are you saying that what works there is that they show new episodes on the weekend? (Cause trust me, I'd love to be making new episodes, but that isn't an option right now.)
Kraken writes...
Hello mr. Weisman!
Some friends and I were discussing about cartoons and animation the other day. They said that they didn't like Gargoyles because there wasn't enough action and it wasn't fast enough. I argued that Gargoyles had great animation and awesome stories. They replied by saying that stories don't sell these days. I had to agree with that last reply; today we see cartoons with little intelligence with lots of violence. It's a shame that they are the ones that are popular.
So I came up with this question, if Gargoyles or any of the spin-offs were to be brought back, would you make any changes to the orginal Gargoyles we knew? Stories will no doubt be present, but will there be more and faster action?
Thanks.
Greg responds...
I hardly think there's a lack of action in the current gargoyles, no matter what your friends say. I love action. I just like it to be intelligent.
And as I've said <sigh> oh, so many times before, I made the show I wanted to make. If I had the opportunity to do it again, I would attempt to do the same. I have no regrets.
As to stories not selling... I don't necessarily agree with that assessment. But even if I did, I wouldn't sink to participating in the deterioration. I'm a story-teller. That's what I do. What would be the point of me doing the show if I wasn't doing that?
"Faster action?"
Man Mountain writes...
I just read your anecdote about meeting Jonathan Frakes and had two questions:
1) Have you ever thought about "recruiting" some of the more notable actors from Gargoyles to help bring the show back? (I realize that its not as simple as it may sound)
2) Is Shiri Appleby as sweet and adorable in person as she appears to be on screen?
Greg responds...
1. Not as simple? I'm not even sure what that means. Explain to me how that would work and I'll dive right in and get started.
2. Well, I can hardly say that I've met her, so I can hardly comment on her personality. I literally bumped into her and she was very gracious during the three seconds I was apologizing. She has a beautiful smile, and I was graced with that. And, yes, I was a bit smitten in that moment. So based on only that, I'll answer, yes. She is as sweet and adorable in person as she appears to be on screen. At least to the best of my knowledge.
Bengali writes...
1.If Gargoyles gets back on the air what are the chances of you becoming the producer again?.
2.Also if it gets back on the air, what are the chances of it having the same voices as the original?.
Greg responds...
1. Very good, I would think.
2. Very good, I would think.
Ashley E. writes...
Hi Greg My name is Ashley and I am the biggest fan of Gargoyles you will ever see. I cried when I found this page I have seen Gargoyle Series every single time it's been out and I miss you guys soooooo Much. I realy hope with all my heart that you guys bring it back. PLEASE!!!!! I thought that this cartoon was the best one ever made. I really want you guys to go on and on and on... How much would it cost to buy the rights from Walt Disney and start it yourself? Was it your baby from the start or was it there Idea? I read what you said about Titus how would I be able to see it and where can I get it??? Anyways I really miss you guys.. My favorite part was "The Hunter" Part 3 Where Alisa kissed Goliath, that was the best!!! Thank you for hours of absolute pleasure.
Greg responds...
Ashley,
What a wonderful post. Thank you.
Disney would never sell the rights, and if they did, lowly me could never afford to buy them. And no one's sorrier about that than I am.
Gargoyles was definitely my baby. (Still is.) Though many, many people participated in raising it to be the child that you saw on television. The basic ideas were mine, but it was very collaborative, extremely collaborative. And in any case, we were all working for Disney, so they own it, lock stock and gargoyle.
As for Titus, well I saw it in a movie theater. It's rated R (or should be) and I don't know how old you are or where you live, so I don't know if it's in your local theaters or whether you should be allowed in or not.
Eventually, it'll be on home video.
Chris writes...
If they were to bring back the series, would it pick up where the last episode of gargoyles left off, or would it be sometime later?
Greg responds...
My current thinking is that it would pick up where I left off. That is in 1996. I wouldn't flag that to new viewers, but you guys could come here and find out approximate dates. Eventually (and relatively swiftly), I'd bring everything current. But I'd hate to miss out telling the stories that would have taken place immediately after "The Journey", and I don't believe that nothing at all happened over the last four years.
And, yes, that's a cheat, but I think it's the best possible solution. At least, the best I can think of now.
Craychek writes...
Hey Greg, if you do manage to get Gargoyles or one of the spin offs(I would prefer Gargoyles 2158, but that's my opinion) would you use the same animation team that did the animation for the first two seasons of Gargoyles?
Greg responds...
I'm not sure we could gather the exact same people. And we had multiple teams in multiple countries. Some did a better job than others. Or are you talking about Pre-Production?
Zephram Cochran writes...
If there's a new series, would Johnathan Frakes and the other voice actors from Star Trek: TNG be making appearances/coming back?
Greg responds...
I would certainly hope we could get all of our old cast back (with the obvious exceptions of the late Roddy McDowell and Ed Gilbert).
Julie Cavignac writes...
Greg, Is it possible to buy ALL of the Gargoyles Episodes? I would like to have the complete colletion in chronological order...problem is, since it now only airs on Toon Disney (which I have no hopes of getting where I live) is there any place I can purchase the aired collection????
PLEASE RESPOND. I want to know if you actually GOT this question. :-)
Greg responds...
I got the question. As to you being able to buy all 66 episodes on video:
Not legally. As far as I know, only the first season is on video tape. The five-part pilot cut together as a movie. And then the following eight episodes on four additional tapes. And finding those five videos might take some effort at this point.
But if you post requests in the comment room, there are, I believe, many people willing to tape the show for you for the price of the blank videos and postage.
Lazarus writes...
Given the recent trend in American animation (more violence and other, darker, elements), if there were to be a new Gargoyles series, would it be darker than the original? Or would it still be targeted for a 16 and under audience?
Greg responds...
I don't agree that you've described the recent trend in American animation at all. Quite the reverse, I think there's been a sad backlash -- caused mostly by video games, etc.
Animation is getting softer, not harder. Lighter, not dramatic. The percieved (not real) failure of Prince of Egypt, convinced everyone that drama doesn't play in feature animation. Anime is still seen as peripheral. And the crossover hit is Pokemon, which is as fluffy and light as things come. I can't sell a drama to save my life right now.
As to how that relates to Gargoyles. It doesn't. Not if I was in charge. The tone wouldn't change in either direction. Because the show I made was the show I wanted to make. And that wouldn't change.
Alan "Ordell" Coleman writes...
Okay, best case senario: you;re given a thirteen episode contract for the restoration of Gargoyles by Disney or any other company airing in prime-time in an hour long format. You get a 2-4 minute intro saying that the series known as The Goliath Chronicles are null and void except for The Journey. My question is: what would you do with your thirteen episodes? Would you carry on the series as it had before, short stories that when looked on afterwards made up a chapter in a much greater tale? Or would you try to cram as much into them as possible, making things possible for the spin-offs and pleasing the fans (Timedancer, Bad Guys, etc.)?
Greg responds...
All right first of all, I love the idea of hour long episodes. I sure as hell don't care whether or not it's in prime time, but it would be great to be able to tell hour-long stories. Hell, I'd be happy doing half-hours as long as I could have as many two-parters as I wanted. (Like for almost every story.)
I'd never want to do something as clumsy as opening with a "2-4 minute intro". See some earlier Ramblings, on my current thoughts on how I'd handle the non-canon material.
But now, on to your either/or question. Although, I object to the word "cram", I'd be attempting to do both of the options you suggested. Yes. Stories that are part of the tapestry. But yes, setting various arcs in motion simultaneously. Mostly to please myself, as I did on my original run, and hoping that, as before, what I want would largely please fans (new and old) as well. Just like I've always done.
Cindy the Werewolfling writes...
Hey Greg . . . I've been having little birds chirp in my ear, they've been saying that Gargoyles is getting made again . . . Do you know anything about it?
Greg responds...
Nope. What birds are these?
lisa writes...
on a scale of 1-10 10 being the highest what are the chances of gargoyles ever getting restarted?
Greg responds...
You mean in the short term or long term?
lisa writes...
have you gotten any publishers interest in your gargoyles encyclopedia?
Greg responds...
Nope. Do you know anyone?
Darkling writes...
Hi Greg,
I just read the post where you said the long term chances for getting a Gargoyles series back on the air were 'good to very good'. Since you've worked on CGI shows now, do you think a future Gargoyles show would benefit from being CGI, or would you prefer traditional animation?
Greg responds...
It would depend on the show.
I think G2158 would be perfect for CGI. But I'd hate to do Dark Ages in CGI, though maybe not for the reasons you think.
Jade writes...
Dear Gerg,
1. I think all of us want to know this one question WILL THE GARGOYLES COME BACK ON? If so will it continue with The Goliath C's or with Gargoyles? I've read every thing you wrote and it sounds like you really disliked The Goliath C's. Man I dislike it two I mean one day New York knows not a thing about the Gargoyles then the next they all know to me it just semed dum--sorry.
Greg responds...
Gerg refers you to the "Bringing Gargoyles Back" portion of the archives. And to my various recent "Ramblings".
Aaron writes...
Assuming you could get the show restarted, and you wanted to ignore TGC (except The Journey), why not try the Dallas solution? (ie, the whole season was a bad dream)
Greg responds...
Don't think it's not tempting. See the Ramblings archive for my current thinking on how to deal with TGC. Then let me know if you think it would work.
Spring French writes...
I just want to say i love the show. my children and i watch it together. i love every part of the show. you know how some shows you say to your self man they are crapy to night, well not gargoyles it is truely one of the greats. I write (email) Disney every other day and ask them to bring it back for new seasons. although i bet it wont do me any good.
Greg responds...
It can't hurt.
Thank you for your kind words. Gargoyles is the thing I'm proudest of in my professional life. I'm glad it worked for you as well.
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