I keep uploading. So far, I've been under the radar. But I know the day will come when they will probably just outright ban me. What with over 150 videos, all with some form of copyrighted music or video on them. So yeah, I'll be f*cked eventually. And yet, I can go on Limewire right now and download the newest Pirates movie without a problem. But they worry themselves about what is literally FAN ART. Devianart is FULL of copyright infringement. Drawings of Ariel and Bugs Bunny abound. But make a music video of Little Mermaid and you are a committing a felony. These big business movie companies apparently forgot about FAIR USE.
Siren
Don't knock on Death's door. Ring his doorbell and run, he hates that.
posted @ Sun, May 27, 2007 10:59:36 pm EDT from 68.202.76.113

Patrick "Of course, when a bunch of fan-made music videos disappear off YouTube, it's most often because the owner of the video copyright made a complaint, not the holder of copyright on the music. But I think that's only because the companies that make movies and T.V. are more aggressive about patrolling YouTube for infringing material."

Yeah, I know first hand. As I mentioned in here before, WWE had one of my wrestling music videos removed within a day of me uploading it. What still baffles me is why so many other similar things that other people have uploaded that have been up longer still goes unchallenged by them. It's like they just randomly said "Let's pick on this guy!" Really makes me paranoid about uploading anymore of my music videos. I'll definatley be avoiding anything with wrestling footage.
Ozzie Arcane - [ozziearcane at wowway dot com]
"Hello Booby, this is a trap!" - Eggplant Wizard from Captain N
posted @ Sun, May 27, 2007 8:28:44 pm EDT from 69.14.122.91

Demon@> Still, even so.

I don't bump characters off anymore unless it moves the story forward. For example, Threesome 2.

Glad to see you enjoy my work, regardless. :)
KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra_582 at hotmail dot com]
'Ignore Me!' - Venture Bros.
posted @ Sun, May 27, 2007 8:13:32 pm EDT from 69.95.29.93

King Cobra: Oh you shoudnt be ashame of your work, it was really fun, i coudnt stop laughing every time someone killed Angela in some horrible way. I saw her as the Kenny of the Gargoyles Universe XD. Just asking out of curiosity. Glad to hear things are better, anyway ;)
Demon@
"Here is my new girlfriend, and in these Full moon i shall..." "That huge dog thing is your girlfriend?""What huge dog..Ohh damn it..." Macbeth
posted @ Sun, May 27, 2007 7:14:25 pm EDT from 200.114.206.63

It is deliberate, and it's probably the same troll who was here a few days ago.
Patrick - [<-- The Gathering 2007]
posted @ Sun, May 27, 2007 1:39:22 pm EDT from 67.38.247.176

Antiyonder >> Someone must be spamming Wikipedia with Ask Greg links. Possibly it's the same person who got the Gargwiki banned. It may even be deliberate to make us look bad.
Vaevictis Asmadi
posted @ Sun, May 27, 2007 12:03:30 pm EDT from 209.162.56.40

Greg B: I actually never had the dates. I was going by the fact that we had only seen one slab of rock with significance on the show. If it is the Stone of Destiny, that actually raises some new questions: is Macbeth doing something at the behest of Arthur Pendragon, or does he have his own agenda? And if it's the latter, is it sentimental or for something else?

Of course, I'm not going to comepletely abandon my alternate theory about "rock" referring to something like Rush. If all things are true, then By-Tor and the Snow Dog exist in the gargs universe. ( ;
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75 at gmail dot com]
"Held within the pleasure dome decreed by Kublai Khan. To taste my bitter triumph as a mad immortal man." -Rush ("Xanadu")
posted @ Sun, May 27, 2007 10:23:30 am EDT from 71.62.204.109

From what I've read on the subject of copyright law, fan-made music videos are sort of in a gray area of "fair use." It's really the use of an entire track of music that's more likely to be considered by a court to not be "fair use" than the use of the video clips. Of course, when a bunch of fan-made music videos disappear off YouTube, it's most often because the owner of the video copyright made a complaint, not the holder of copyright on the music. But I think that's only because the companies that make movies and T.V. are more aggressive about patrolling YouTube for infringing material.

26 days left until The Gathering 2007 in Pigeon Forge, Tennessee!
Patrick - [<-- The Gathering 2007]
"We rip CDs and copy tapes and dowload MP3s! Yo, ho, ho, ho, the pirates life for me!" - PotC theme song, 21st century version
posted @ Sun, May 27, 2007 8:53:00 am EDT from 67.38.247.176

Spoonvonstup> In terms of legal stuff, I tend to think of it as mostly within our rights under "fair use"- using footage from the show to comment either on the show itself or life/love/metaphysics/what-have-you. And while fair use is not supposed to affect the profitability/sales of the orignal source material, I don't know if they'd mind a boost to sales too much.

No problem I believe with clips or music videos, but I was refering to pretty much all of Awakening aside from Part 5 being loaded. Part 4 seems to have been deleted, but 1-3 are still up.
Antiyonder
posted @ Sun, May 27, 2007 6:12:03 am EDT from 74.61.186.169

So, what is the reason that the regular wikipedia went on Anti-Ask Greg mode? At first I thought it was merely removing the site from external links, since they were on Greg Weisman's wikipedia page. I found out first through using an Ask Greg response for the source only to find it counted as spam.
Antiyonder
posted @ Sun, May 27, 2007 6:02:19 am EDT from 74.61.186.169

@ OzzieArcane- "most people see music videos as free advertisement"

That's true; I feel like any video editor worth their salt usually has "make a video so cool that everyone in who sees it will want to become obsessed with the show" as one of their main goals. I know that's the main reason I got into it in the first place. It's hard for me to be satisfied with a video if I don't think it would impress a non-fan of the show.

In terms of legal stuff, I tend to think of it as mostly within our rights under "fair use"- using footage from the show to comment either on the show itself or life/love/metaphysics/what-have-you. And while fair use is not supposed to affect the profitability/sales of the orignal source material, I don't know if they'd mind a boost to sales too much.
Spoonvonstup - [howbedobe at hotmail dot com]
posted @ Sun, May 27, 2007 5:38:04 am EDT from 65.124.181.3

Demon@> I was a different person back when I wrote those, with a lot of bad personal stuff going down. I wrote those mainly to blow off steam.

Nowadays, I don't write character bashing (at least, not serious bashing) anymore becaise things are going better, I've changed, and I have other outlets (Gamecube) to vent on. Looking back on it, I'm ashamed of them. If you noticed, I pulled them from my page on the GFW.

*yawns and goes to bed*
KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra_582 at hotmail dot com]
'Ignore Me!' - Venture Bros.
posted @ Sun, May 27, 2007 5:15:22 am EDT from 69.48.22.203

Aha. My mistake, oh well no harm done.
Aldrius
posted @ Sun, May 27, 2007 4:03:50 am EDT from 207.112.122.79

Aldrius if you had went to the link, you would have seen the guy he was talking about had actually uploaded the Awakening episoes, not music videos. Nobody here cares about reporting music videos, infact several posters make them. I think most people see fan made music videos as free advertisement.
Ozzie Arcane - [ozziearcane at wowway dot com]
"Hello Booby, this is a trap!" - Eggplant Wizard from Captain N
posted @ Sun, May 27, 2007 2:47:45 am EDT from 69.14.122.91

But we're talking about music videos and such, aren't we? How on earth could those hamper DVD sales anyway?

*Shrug* Could be wrong, but I don't really think YouTube hampers with DVD sales that much anyway. =S Besides the fact that there aren't any episodes on it... eheh... yeah... probably wrong about that, but whatever.
Aldrius
posted @ Sun, May 27, 2007 2:38:36 am EDT from 207.112.122.79

That was me who just made the comment. I'm at my stepmoms house, so I didn't have the usual settings on.
Antiyonder
posted @ Sun, May 27, 2007 1:06:36 am EDT from 74.61.186.169

ArkansasMezzo> Garg videos> Sounds great! Although I too have noticed a few on Youtube already … so is a separate site even necessary? (Speaking as a video-ignorant person, I admit.)

Except that we're trying to prove to Disney that Gargoyles is a profitable investment (Comic books and DVDs). Hard to do that when someone can watch them off youtube for free. Again we have to prove that we're willing to spend money on their Gargoyle merchandise. Heck, I'm buying copies of the comics for myself, my brother and also a friend down the street.
Anonymous
posted @ Sun, May 27, 2007 1:04:05 am EDT from 74.61.186.169

@ ArkansasMezzo- True, YouTube works well as a search, save the fact that if you have enough videos/subscribers, you run a real risk of having your content pulled for belonging to Disney. I had started a Gargoyles group on YouTube so that all the garg vids could be in one place (we'd gotten about 100, too) but then YouTube closed my account without warning. I wouldn't mind so much, except now the group can't be updated anymore; it's useless. This new site won't have those problems (well, youtube may still remove videos, but then we can contact the directors and just go and ask them where the video is now and update the link).

Yep.

*rushes off to finish fun editing of fun times* WhooOOooOoo deadline in 5 days...
Spoonvonstup - [howbedobe at hotmail dot com]
posted @ Sat, May 26, 2007 11:17:34 pm EDT from 65.124.181.2

*A car speeds into the room, screeches to a halt, and then slowly backs up. A paper-thin figure floats up from the floor and pops into a 3D figure with messy hair and a back-ache.*

Man, sucks to be on the road. And I missed my chance at the funnies this week with all the crazy pairings! Oh well - I got a few much-needed laughs, belated though they were.

________SPOILERS - COMIC #4_____________
Purplegoldfish> I'm surprised nobody else jumped at that Monty Python line that Judge Roebling spit out! ("Wink wink, nudge nudge, say no more.") I have that particular Python sketch on CD somewhere, and it's hilarious, needless to say. And it's live, so you can hear the audience really getting into it. Ole Greg sure does turn out some funny references … although I have to admit I didn't get the Norma Rae one. So I guess I'm not as cool as I thought. :)

And Brendan's last name bugs me for some reason. "Quarters" just doesn't sound right - not yuppy enough. How about Brendan Whittington? Or Brendan Bedford? Or Brendan Flickenbacher-Villanellio-Wimbledon-Gorbachev-Proust? Anything but Quarters….
_____________END SPOILERS___________________

Garg videos> Sounds great! Although I too have noticed a few on Youtube already … so is a separate site even necessary? (Speaking as a video-ignorant person, I admit.)

Well, I'm outta here. Holiday Inn Express, you're not home - but you'll have to do.

*gets into car, which has been previously unoccupied, puts it into drive, and immediately falls asleep while the car meanders away at 4 miles an hour*
ArkansasMezzo
1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9...10...11...12...another 12...another 12....another 12...TWENTY!!!! (My nephew Ben, 2 yrs. 4 mos. old)
posted @ Sat, May 26, 2007 10:21:19 pm EDT from 70.88.24.221

http://www.youtube.com/t/dmca_policy

The link has been sent to copyright@youtube.com. Let's see and hope that the proper action is taken.
TiniTinyTony - [tinitinytony at hotmail dot com]
The circle is now complete. When I left you, I was but the learner; now *I* am the master.
posted @ Sat, May 26, 2007 10:01:48 pm EDT from 72.79.179.25

Some youtuber has loaded Gargoyles videos, http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=jojito26

Thought I should mention it since some of you brought up similar downloads, as I've had no experience dealing with copyright infringment flagging.
Antiyonder - [antiyonder at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Sat, May 26, 2007 8:59:37 pm EDT from 71.115.195.26

Harvester of Eyes: Your theory that the stone referred to in the solicitation for #7 might be on the money. The solicit mentioned Macbeth needing a favor, and the Stone of Destiny was returned to Scotland (to Edinburgh Castle) on November 15th, 1996.

The timing matches up, since we're only on October 31st, 1996.
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The 11th Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
Fidel Castro dressed up like Marilyn Monroe and gave JFK a case of syphilis so bad it eventually blew out the back of his head.
posted @ Sat, May 26, 2007 7:58:40 pm EDT from 67.87.175.245

i love parodyes too, i wrotte a few, they are in spanish though :p I read yours King Cobra, they are great XD...but whats your problem with poor Angela? She always gets kill in most horrible ways with you!
Demon@
"Humans are for earth what cancer is for humans" Demona
posted @ Sat, May 26, 2007 3:43:29 pm EDT from 200.114.206.63

Not trying to plug my new fan fic here (although feedback is always welcomed), but what's everyone's thought on parodies?

Me, I love parodies and MiSTings. Can't get enough of them.
KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra_582 at hotmail dot com]
"Ignore me!" - Venture Bros.
posted @ Sat, May 26, 2007 2:45:23 pm EDT from 69.95.31.144

********************Spoilers************************
Gargoyles #4.

Thailog's back - and by the looks of things he's been taking steroids! Wide eyed cutesy trick or treaters, gargoyles with bags of muscle and comical facial expressions when getting knifed aside, Paniry's artwork on this issue is actually quite interesting. Just as I was starting to get used to Hedgecock's work on the comic, we get treated to this new artist's take on the Gargoyles Universe; and whilst the inking might be quite too thick and unsightly for some people, and some of the characters are hard to recognise, personally I quite like Paniry's art in 'Masque'. Surprisingly I was starting to miss David Hedgecock when I first read through this issue; but there are some really good moments - the half Goliath/half Thailog facial on page 23, the moments when Elisa meets Delilah (esp the panel when the double daters are all alone), Talon running to Maggie after she gets buried alive. On the whole the artwork's looking different but still as always looking good.

Enough of the aesthetics - if the story is lacking, there's no point in having stellar art. But as the Clan Building arc continues with Chapter 4: 'Masque', I have to say things just keep getting better and better. Like 'Invitation Only' this issue has a huge supporting cast; Robbins makes his long overdue return, Brendan Quarters is back with a sore ear as always, a slightly tipsy Judge Roebling unexpectedly pops along, as do Sarah Browne and her kids. And whilst old faces are popping up so are new ones, particularly that of Billy's friend Terry and Ambassador Chung (who incidentally also has a son named Terry, hmmm). Whether this new Terry Chung is the Terry Chung of New Olympians fame remains to be seen but if they are one and the same (and my bet is that they are) then the first major revelation of Clan Building is that the events of the New Olympians spin-off will not be happening until at least another decade or so. For some reason I was under the impression that the New Olympians would reveal themselves at the end of the 1990s not long after the Manhattan clan met them. But this delay in their revelation seems more logical and is unlikely to detract from the revelation of the gargoyles; I'm sure the New Olympians along with the rest of the world are watching how the Manhattan residents react to the new gargoyle threat - how this plays out over the years will most likely influence the New Olympians' choice to reveal themselves.

As I said before it was good to see Billy and Susan again (I think this is the first time we've met them again since "Thrill of the Hunt"). It took me a while to figure out that they were dressed as Jackal and Hyena. Sarah seems concerned when she sees the Quarrymen patrolling - I wonder whether she is having second thoughts about joining them.

And it's only a matter of time before Robbins figures out that his Scottish friend is in fact an urban legend come to life - I liked seeing Bronx and Gilly lying next to the fire.

Onto the party - and what a party! Such revelry, such merriment, such debauchery - everyone certainly looks like they're having a good time; I wonder how much Xanatos pay that waitress on page 5? Maybe he should pay her more so that she can afford to buy the rest of her outfit!

I was pleasantly surprised that Angela reprimanded Elisa for bringing Morgan; I'm glad that she spoke out against her, but how much does she know at that point about her and her father breaking up? I doubt that Goliath told any of the clan before he left for the Labyrinth. I'm sure Angela could probably tell something was up from the way Goliath left the Castle. Aside from Hudson, Angela is probably the one most aware of the couple's relationship and feelings for each other, and so it seems right that she would defend her father whilst he's away.

Some have said that her advice to Elisa is hypocritical considering the way she and Broadway have acted around Brooklyn; I disagree - Angela made it clear at the end of "Turf" that she was not a trophy to be one and that if anything was to happen it would happen in its own time.

Brooklyn as usual is moping again - that is until Angela goes up to him; poor girl doesn't realise what signals she's sending him - hopefully next issue Angela will let him down gently and Brook will be out of his depressive moods. Timedancer can't come soon enough for him.

Lexington's "post-modern tin man" - I wonder how much influence Owen had in that costume design.

Speaking of costumes, Elisa carries on her Disney Princesses affiliation by dressing as Jasmine. Nice!

For some reason I was unsure whether Delilah and Elisa had met yet; I'm glad that the first time Elisa saw her was when she was with Goliath and not at a prior off-screen occasion. Make's their meeting all the more awkward and interesting.

Thailog has some neat lines;

"No treat for poor little Thailog? Then trick it is!"
"That's quite enough, Norma Rae."
"Wow, haven't had a good maniacal laugh in weeks."

For a split second the pain, betrayal, jealousy is plain to see on Thailog's face when he learns where Delilah has gone.

Maggie shows her courageous side again by standing up to Thailog - it's a shame it almost cost her her life. She looks so badly hurt in that blast that I'm unsure whether she'll survive or not.

When I first saw Alex in his gargoyle suit last issue I thought to myself Hedgecock's drawing this kid likes he's older than he really is; I'm glad that Ambassador Chung agrees with me on that. Make's me wonder whether Fox also looked older than she was and whether Renard picked up on it?

Can't wait until #5 and the conclusion of this story!

***********end spoilers********************
Brigadoon Traveller
posted @ Sat, May 26, 2007 1:58:52 pm EDT from 89.242.228.166

Oh i think its fun, ive just finished reading a fanfiction of Alexandria in wich Elisa gets pregnant with Demona´s child XD
Or, there are a few with Brooklyn and Demona... *shudders* i prefer Elisa and Demona.
I remember seen a picture on the internet about Hudson in bed with a confused look in his eyes and a Clan Steel robot next to him on the same bed with a cigarrate telling him not to asked him what happened XD
Demon@
"Humans are for earth what cancer is for humans" Demona
posted @ Sat, May 26, 2007 1:54:33 pm EDT from 200.114.206.63

As long as they're in jest .. I find slash unutterably disturbing.
Vaevictis Asmadi
posted @ Sat, May 26, 2007 1:30:18 pm EDT from 209.162.56.40

So much stuff happens on this comm while I'm away. Damn you, work! Damn you!

Belatedly, I also vote for people at the party being too buzzed to recognize flesh-and-blood gargoyles and/or not expecting sentience, though at the time I just thought it was a similar deal to the cartoon Ninja Turtles and their trench coats...just an animation (or in this case, comic book) convention of disguises that somehow work when they shouldn't.

TinyTinyTony: The weird thing about you mentioning Ophelia and Malibu was that I recently designed a fancharacter that unintentionally ended up looking like their lovechild. There's only so many garg designs to go around, y'know? But I don't come up with backstories for fan characters anymore....I just design them on a whim.

I'm a bad fan: I'm not really into what I perceive as "crack" pairings, though "crack" is in the eye of the beholder. Still, they're fun to speculate on. :P
Incisivis - [incisivis at hotmail dot com]
"No live organism can continue for long to exist sanely under conditions of absolute reality; even larks and katydids are supposed, by some, to dream" -- Shirley Jackson
posted @ Sat, May 26, 2007 10:19:19 am EDT from 216.36.154.204

Patrick: <The mustache being enough to disguise Jon Canmore is much like the glasses being enough to disguise Superman.> Hell, as Greg pointed out in the "City of Stone" commentary, Gillecomgain's mask was pretty much a dead giveaway. Funny how that never crossed my mind. Makes the scene where he takes his mask off in front of Duncan more amusing.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75 at gmail dot com]
"But see? That's what I'm talking about. Now Venture will send Samson after the rest of us and he'll go totally sickhouse on our asses. I like my ass, gentlemen!" -The Monarch
posted @ Sat, May 26, 2007 9:16:54 am EDT from 71.62.204.109

According to today's Daily Tattler, witnesses working for one Mr. David Xanatos at his Eyrie Building swear that they've observed, to their shock, the sudden disappearence of a red-skinned Gargoyle and then his reapperence 5 minutes later. At least they are sure that it was him. He was many years older, but it was definitely him. And they said he brought one other person back with him.

Her name is Lady Gruoch of Scotland..."

Blaise> LOL. Nice one.
KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra_582 at hotmail dot com]
'Ignore Me!' - Venture Bros.
posted @ Sat, May 26, 2007 8:27:32 am EDT from 69.95.31.66

Don't forget the new haircut and accent.
Matt - [St dot Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age! Between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!" -Macbeth
posted @ Sat, May 26, 2007 7:57:56 am EDT from 24.207.163.239

The mustache being enough to disguise Jon Canmore is much like the glasses being enough to disguise Superman.

27 days left until The Gathering 2007 in Pigeon Forge, Tennessee!
Patrick - [<-- The Gathering 2007]
posted @ Sat, May 26, 2007 7:36:12 am EDT from 67.38.247.176

Aren't Lexington and Anansi were dating. Was I wrong or what?
Vinnie - [tpeano29 at hotmail dot com]
It's silly. It's a silly movie. There just isn't much there. Once you take it all apart, there's not much story, is there?- George Lucas on Spider-Man 3
posted @ Sat, May 26, 2007 5:27:27 am EDT from 69.54.209.65

<<Because Jon Canmore is a wanted fugitive. He was involved in the bombing of a police station, and who knows how many other charges.

If he wants to maintain his freedom and lead the Quarrymen, he needs a new name and identity.>>

Ah, the insidious mustache. No one will ever recognize with it! "Say, Morgan. Isn't that that wanted canmore brat?" "I would say definetly yes! It is! But he's got that mustache... hm... must be someone else!"

For the record, I was just being silly... but I really don't like that mustache. >_< Which is a shame because I like Jon.
Aldrius
posted @ Sat, May 26, 2007 12:51:38 am EDT from 207.112.122.79

****A tabby cat saunters into the Comment Room with a bored expression. It stops in the middle of the Room and promptly hacks up a hairball. The hairball then expands and shifts into the familiar form of Blaise (to whom the cat directs a singularly annoyed expression).**** I felt I needed to know what a hairball feels like at least once in my life...although I get the feeling that this is actually my second time participating in this experience. And I don't think the cat's happy about that.

J.J. GREGARIUS> Well, it's one thing to encounter a being of the "other" in a one-on-one basis far from people, and another thing entirely to encounter them at a fairly well attended party--wearing ADDITIONAL costumes, no less. Also, so far we haven't seen the gargs engage in any "dead giveaway" behaviors like licking people they've just met on the cheek.
And yes, a missing collarbone is a pretty big warning bell...moreso than a missing finger, which can be rationalized away as a five-fingered hand shoved in a special glove.
In your hypothetical situation, I'd postulate that most people would try to extricate themselves from the lion as quickly as possible, go home, imbibe enough alchohol to kill a small dog (optional), and then begin the long work of convincing themselves that the encounter *never happened*.

RELATIONSHIPS> People, people, people! We all know that the "next big relationship" will be when Maggie, Angela and Delilah come to their senses and rush over to Brooklyn, who naturally accepts all three of them...along with Demona...and Ophelia, of course...and Sora from Ishimura, come to think of it...and the gals from Guatemala, too...heck, every single female garg in the world (and why not a few human ones, too, for good measure--start with the Maza sisters) will flock to our crimson, white-maned, beaked bachelor. And they'll all start wearing bunny ears and tails, while Brooklyn starts wearing robes and smoking pipes. And they'll all hang out in a mansion complete with a grotto! And Brooklyn will start publishing a MAGAZINE!! AND--!!!
(*the cat leaps up and slaps Blaise across the face*) Thanks, I needed that.
My apologies, I got a little carried away. All I can say is...it's all Greg Weisman's fault! He had to write that darn "Sex and Love in the Gargoyles Universe" (or whatever the hell it was titled) essay and mention Brooklyn mating more times than Hugh Heffner!

Okay, I'm done. Until next time, farewell. ****Blaise waves his arms and morphs into...a mouse. The cat no longer looks bored. With a squeak of "Oh, not again," the Blaise-mouse darts from the Room with the cat in hot pursuit.****
Blaise
"Build a man a fire, keep him warm for a day. Set a man on fire, keep him warm for the rest of his life."--Terry Pratchett's "Jingo"
posted @ Fri, May 25, 2007 11:21:06 pm EDT from 4.232.165.108

<<Bah, I don't know why they ever gave that sexy-boy Jon a mustache. =( It completely ruins his look>>

Because Jon Canmore is a wanted fugitive. He was involved in the bombing of a police station, and who knows how many other charges.

If he wants to maintain his freedom and lead the Quarrymen, he needs a new name and identity.
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The 11th Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
Fidel Castro dressed up like Marilyn Monroe and gave JFK a case of syphilis so bad it eventually blew out the back of his head.
posted @ Fri, May 25, 2007 11:10:30 pm EDT from 67.87.175.245

(Walks in, hears all the pairings, considers slipping out quietly, hesistates and still enters)

Yeah . . . I don't know what's happened since I last posted. Anyways, like I mentioned weeks ago, I just Spiderman 3 today (full review later), and I got the chance to see Pirates of the Caribbean: At Worlds End (review later if you really want it).

But overall, I would have to say that I was satisfied and I enjoyed both films.

Did I think they were the best of their respective trilogies? Kinda doubting it, but I still have to contemplate.
Phoenician - [<---My Kinda Useless Blog]
"The Suspense is Terrible . . . I Hope it Lasts" -- Willy Wonka
posted @ Fri, May 25, 2007 11:09:57 pm EDT from 70.162.221.121

Bah, I don't know why they ever gave that sexy-boy Jon a mustache. =( It completely ruins his look!

Castaway is obviously going to hook up with... uh... uh... Morgan! After he has been spurned by Elisa he turns to Jon for moral support and gets more than he bargained for!
Aldrius
posted @ Fri, May 25, 2007 10:50:50 pm EDT from 207.112.122.79

Nikerous >> Unfortunately, Gorebash is not accepting any more avatars, at all. He already told me he will not add the 10 that I made.
Vaevictis Asmadi
posted @ Fri, May 25, 2007 10:42:18 pm EDT from 209.162.56.40

I always thought Dracon and Demona would end up together... of course that would be after Dracon breaks it off with Oberon.
Matt - [St dot Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age! Between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!" -Macbeth
posted @ Fri, May 25, 2007 10:31:11 pm EDT from 24.207.163.239

oh no, believe me, I got them the first day the dvds were available! Got 2 copies of season 1 and 1 of season 2 vol 1. I transferred these tapes back in 2002.
Nickerous - [nickerous at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Fri, May 25, 2007 10:13:24 pm EDT from 63.135.44.204

Patrick> LOL I agree with you.

Demon@> *mortified* Hudson... and Bronx? o_0.

Nickerous> Wait a sec. Does this mean you didn't BUY the DVDs?! For shame.
KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra_582 at hotmail dot com]
"Ignore me!" - Venture Bros.
posted @ Fri, May 25, 2007 10:06:00 pm EDT from 69.95.196.125

Is it possible to email some pics to use as avatars? I've got tons from when I transferred all my garg tapes to dvd.....

I got the new comic and it has re-energized my love of comics....well, that and Ultimate Spider-man. Bagley is great!
Nickerous - [nickerous at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Fri, May 25, 2007 9:58:49 pm EDT from 63.135.44.204

Demon@> I e-mailed you. Hit me back when you get the chance.

How about Ophelia and Malibu? Their babies would have a green hue and that's just nice.
TiniTinyTony - [tinitinytony at hotmail dot com]
The circle is now complete. When I left you, I was but the learner; now *I* am the master.
posted @ Fri, May 25, 2007 9:52:53 pm EDT from 71.173.63.228

Oh come on it was so obvious that Hudson would end up with Bronx. That only time Bronx had pupils on monsters was because he was thinking on Hudson, no one could have missed the love in his eyes.
Demon@
"Humans are for earth what cancer is for humans" Demona
posted @ Fri, May 25, 2007 9:33:14 pm EDT from 200.126.131.37

You folks need to lay off the crack when coming up with some of these pairings. :P
Patrick - [<-- The Gathering 2007]
posted @ Fri, May 25, 2007 9:17:07 pm EDT from 67.38.247.176

I wouldn't say probable, I would say pictur-able just because John Castaway is a pretty boy, and he's got that sexy 'stache and I could see Lexington falling in love with a person who wants to kill him because he has once before - The Pack.
TiniTinyTony - [tinitinytony at hotmail dot com]
The circle is now complete. When I left you, I was but the learner; now *I* am the master.
posted @ Fri, May 25, 2007 8:39:45 pm EDT from 71.173.63.228

Lol And then Elisa will end up with Xanatos.
Demon@
"Humans are for earth what cancer is for humans" Demona
posted @ Fri, May 25, 2007 8:37:16 pm EDT from 200.126.131.37

TTT: Why in God's name is that a probable pairing? lol
Justin
posted @ Fri, May 25, 2007 8:17:29 pm EDT from 156.56.171.165

Greg B.> I do like that idea of Castaway and Margot, since they have a lot in common. For some reason, I don't know why, and ignoring 2198 master plan, but I kind of pictured maybe Castaway and Lexington getting together.
TiniTinyTony - [tinitinytony at hotmail dot com]
The circle is now complete. When I left you, I was but the learner; now *I* am the master.
posted @ Fri, May 25, 2007 7:17:13 pm EDT from 71.173.63.228

Purplegoldfish> Thanks; glad you enjoy the site. Hopefully, we'll have more videos for you to look through in the coming weeks and months. Glad you enjoy my videos as well- I'm definitely entering the contest this year (finishing up an entry right now, actually).
Spoonvonstup - [howbedobe at hotmail dot com]
posted @ Fri, May 25, 2007 6:26:09 pm EDT from 192.246.231.193

I'm not certain that Castaway and Margot are that compatible. They both dislike the gargoyles (to put it mildly), but Margot wants them locked up and studied as if they were just some form of dangerous wild animal. Castaway wants them exterminated. (I still think that it would be fun to see a few people opposing Castaway's extermination plans on the grounds that, if he kills all the gargoyles - and his favorite way of doing that would probably be to smash them all in their stone sleep - they'll never find out just what sort of creatures they are, and that a few need to be taken alive for scientists to study and discover where they fit in on the zoological "family tree". It's going to be all the more of an issue if it's already known that gargoyles turn to stone in the daytime, a phenomenon otherwise unknown in the animal kingdom.)

* SEMI-SPOILERS *

I hadn't thought of that at all, Bishansky, but that's an interesting point. Maybe you should ask Greg Weisman if he intended any connection between those two moments.

* SPOILERS END *
Todd Jensen
Gargoyles - did for monstrous-looking statues what "Watership Down" did for rabbits!
posted @ Fri, May 25, 2007 6:17:44 pm EDT from 4.245.19.18

Gah! I'm sorry I keep forgetting the spoiler tags!

Spoonvonstup: Nice website. I've been looking for that beauty and the beast video, nice to see it again. I just love your videos too. Will you be submitting yours?

Sorry for the double post.
Purplegoldfish - [skydragonn at aol dot com]
"Whoa, Tiny, you mean there's more than one of you?" "My name is not Tiny! I am Goliath!" - Elisa and Tiny
posted @ Fri, May 25, 2007 6:13:51 pm EDT from 152.163.101.9

Blaise: That's a good point. I would love to see Morgan's reaction if/when he finds out that Elisa has the hots for a garogyle.

JJ Gregarius: Well, that depends. Gargoyles are known to exist, at least. Maybe they're advertised as mindless beasts but I think if an open minded person were to have a friendly encounter with one, they're likely to change their minds-with the intelligence factor at least.
So in your scenario, is the existance of mutant lion creatures common knowledge to people?
Purplegoldfish - [skydragonn at aol dot com]
"Whoa, Tiny, you mean there's more than one of you?" "My name is not Tiny! I am Goliath!" - Elisa and Tiny
posted @ Fri, May 25, 2007 6:11:10 pm EDT from 152.163.101.9

Greg B: <Castaway is obviously going to marry someone if his descendents are still running the Quarrymen in 2198. I suspect it's Margot.> Well, that's slightly more disturbing than the images I usually have in my head.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75 at gmail dot com]
"I could bore you with a philosophical tirade about freedom and tyranny, or try and explain to you what new horizons are suddenly open to me, but I doubt you would understand and if you did it might frighten you. That amuses me." -Durandal
posted @ Fri, May 25, 2007 5:36:34 pm EDT from 71.62.204.109

Greg B> HA! That's great. Maybe Sevarius is the one who first caused Thailog to wonder what would happen if he did that...
Matt - [St dot Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age! Between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!" -Macbeth
posted @ Fri, May 25, 2007 5:31:05 pm EDT from 24.207.163.239

New story! I'm still so excited. Hopefully, my copy will arrive soon and I'll be able to join in on all of these discussions.

Dropping in to share my new project: The Gargoyles Music Video Database.

http://www.freewebs.com/gargoylesmusicvideos/

If I have my way, it'll be the place to go on the internet to find any and all of the gargoyles music videos you might be looking for. Director's can submit their videos to the database, and other fans can browse the collections by director, by song or artist, or by theme. I don't have the resources or the bandwith (or the legal know-how, if we get down to it) to provide a place for directors to directly upload thier videos; hosting is a bit out of my abilities at the moment. But! livevideo and YouTube work well enough as streaming hosts, and we have megaupload or rapidshare or yousendit or 50 others to hosts downloads. Directors send me links, I organize it all, the entire fandom (hopefully) benefits.

Spread the word, make some videos, submit your stuff!

(and good luck to anyone still working on submissions for The Gathering 2007)
Spoonvonstup - [howbedobe at hotmail dot com]
posted @ Fri, May 25, 2007 3:17:09 pm EDT from 192.246.231.193

*** SEMI SPOILERS ***

For the fun of it, I re-watched "Double Jeopardy" today. Part of the fun of having these new comics is when little things stick out more in the original episodes. Specifically, I am referring to this exchange:

Sevarius: Typical, you do, and do and do for them, and what happens? They twist a knife in you!
Thailog: Don't tempt me.

Granted, Thailog didn't twist a knife into Sevarius, but I really enjoyed that line. Not that I didn't before.

*** END SEMI SPOILERS ***

Brendan and Margot with kids. Shudders. That woman has got to be infertile. At least I hope so.

That being said, I don't see Brendan and Margot as a "till death do us part" couple. Everyone has a breaking point, and Brendan looked just as annoyed at her in #4 as she did at him.

Castaway is obviously going to marry someone if his descendents are still running the Quarrymen in 2198. I suspect it's Margot.
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The 11th Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
Fidel Castro dressed up like Marilyn Monroe and gave JFK a case of syphilis so bad it eventually blew out the back of his head.
posted @ Fri, May 25, 2007 3:02:07 pm EDT from 67.87.175.245

Cookies/Remembering form fields: I have finally tracked down the REAL bug which was causing cookies to not be deleted when you submitted a post with an empty field. It has been fixed. It shouldn't be a bother anymore.
Gorebash - [gorebash at s8 dot org]
posted @ Fri, May 25, 2007 2:51:32 pm EDT from 207.206.247.166

What Tony said. It's most likely Rudolph Valentino and Margot is probably his (second) wife Natacha. Kind of a cool/interesting choice to have for a Halloween costume. I wonder if there's any hint to be plucked from that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolph_Valentino
http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Mptv/1315/0819_0322.jpg
Gorebash - [gorebash at s8 dot org]
posted @ Fri, May 25, 2007 9:00:51 am EDT from 207.206.247.212

Happy 30th Anniversary Star Wars! Yeah!

***

I'm guessing when she said Valentino, she was referring that he come as Rudolph Valentino, an actor from the 1920s. My dad said he was one of the "greatest lovers" of his time. And Margo is dressed as a "flapper".
TiniTinyTony
The circle is now complete. When I left you, I was but the learner; now *I* am the master.
posted @ Fri, May 25, 2007 8:55:45 am EDT from 71.181.147.188

* GARGOYLES #4-RELATED QUESTION *

Does anybody know whom Margot was going as at the costume party? Because of both the general style of her outfit, and the fact that she was telling Brendan that he was supposed to go as Valentino, I'm assuming that it was supposed to be one of those "early Hollywood" actresses like Mae West, but I'm not entirely certain.

* SPOILER-RELATED QUESTION ENDS *
Todd Jensen
Gargoyles - did for monstrous-looking statues what "Watership Down" did for rabbits!
posted @ Fri, May 25, 2007 7:20:30 am EDT from 4.244.213.44

I wouldn't think the lion is human, but I'd still let him tag along to see if the Wizard would give him some courage.

28 days left until The Gathering 2007 in Pigeon Forge, Tennessee!
Patrick - [<-- The Gathering 2007]
"I want to walk in their footsteps, and their footsteps were like this: Aaaah! Aaaah! I'm covered in bees!"
posted @ Fri, May 25, 2007 6:58:15 am EDT from 67.38.247.176

I'd rather not think about Brendan and Margot having kids (if they've not already done so). Last thing we need on this planet is more filthy yuppies.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75 at gmail dot com]
"Don't thank God. Quit while you're ahead." -Philip K. Dick ("Eye In the Sky")
posted @ Fri, May 25, 2007 6:55:22 am EDT from 71.62.204.109

This Halloween, you have decided to pay a visit to a friend who lives in some new suburb in California. After a disappointing party at your friend's house, in which you have imbibed a noticeable amount of tequila but failed to gain a date with the brunette you wooed all night (male or female at your discretion, readers), you decide to revive your spirits by strolling along a path through the nearby wooded park and enjoying the pleasant evening. A full moon is out, and as you walk further along the path the night sounds whisper in your ears. You are content, if dateless.

Suddenly, you spy a mountain lion lying on the branches of a sturdy tree, and regret not paying attention to your friend's comments about the lions that roam in the region. To your greater alarm, it spots you, and hops down from its perch while looking straight at you, Presently, it grins, greets you with a hearty "Why hi there!", and walks towards you on, using only its hind legs, with its right forepaw extended in your direction. You notice that forepaw has an opposable thumb and separable "toes", suspiciously resembling human fingers, and get the distinct impression that the mountain lion wants to shake *your* right "forepaw" with it.

While you could be seeing a member of an unknown form of mountain lion, as you have never heard of mountain lions that talk or walk on two legs and indeed, have never heard of meeting friendly mountain lions of any sort in the wild, wouldn't you make the inference that the "mountain lion" is really a human?

It doesn't matter that in reality, you *have* stumbled upon an "intelligent" felid whose species humans have abused long ago out of fear. You have no frame of reference for this encounter: truly intelligent non-humans only exist in fiction as far as you know.

You accept this until, while shaking your hand, the mountain lion purrs, lightly kisses your cheek with a rough toungue and wraps its free forelimb around your back: you notice as you accept its caresses that your felid friend seems to have dislocated its shoulders, before realizing that in fact the mountain lion has no collarbones for which its shoulders to be attached to in the first place.

*Now* do you think the lion is a human?
JJ Gregarius
posted @ Fri, May 25, 2007 3:11:21 am EDT from 206.57.91.179

I wonder if Margot had no intention of changing her last name for marriage or her choice to keep it had to do with lack of respect towards Brendan. You just have to wonder how their kids if they ever have any would turn out. To quote Dabny Duck from "The Life And Times Of Scrooge McDuck" concerning the relationship between Quackmore Duck and Hortense McDuck (parents of Donald Duck):

"I shudder to imagine the kid that would come from that unholy union!".

Jennifer "CrzyDemona" Anderson> I can see that Thailog isn't the only one to miss out on laughing maniacally.
Antiyonder - [antiyonder at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Fri, May 25, 2007 2:35:49 am EDT from 71.115.193.12

****Blaise steps out of a shadow.**** Just a quick one!

WHY PEOPLE AT THE PARTY DON'T REALIZE THE GARGOYLES ARE REAL> While the "drunk" explanation sounds all right for the most part, and has a certain charm all its own, I also think there is another more basic explanation as well:
People believe what they WANT to believe (and by extrapolation, do NOT believe what they do not want to believe).
We can infer from the DJ's spiel at the beginning of "Invitation Only" that the general consensus among humans is that the gargoyles cannot talk. They are essentially viewed as animals (this will not apply to EVERYONE, of course, but for the most part I think it holds true). The idea that they would not only talk and act like humans, but also be pleasant company at a party (and even wearing Halloween costumes!) would be anathema to most of Xanatos's guests. I think this is especially true for Margot, who in "The Journey" referred to the gargoyles as "beasts, animals" without "human thoughts and emotions," despite the fact that they had TALKED to her, and asked her questions that she responded to, albeit in a panic ("City of Stone" part 1).
Even if there are some who suspect something amiss, they may not act on it for fear of being wrong and thus humiliated (and considering who Xanatos is likely to have invited to this party, humiliation is something to be avoided at ALL costs). Better to just write it all off to Halloween creeps. Besides, alcohol will help take the edge off. :-)
In short, as far as these folk are concerned, there's no possible way these people in the "beyond amazing" gargoyle costumes could be real gargoyles because "real" gargoyles don't behave this way.
I do find myself wondering about Morgan a little bit, though. But then again, since he's figured out "G" is Elisa's ex, maybe he's strenuously trying to avoid the idea of her and an actual gargoyle...ummm, yeah.
Anyway, just things I thought should bare consideration.

Gone again! Until next time, farewell. ****Blaise wraps his cloak about himself and vanishes with a thunderclap (cliche, yes, but it gets the job done).****
Blaise
"Build a man a fire, keep him warm for a day. Set a man on fire, keep him warm for the rest of his life."--Terry Pratchett's "Jingo"
posted @ Fri, May 25, 2007 12:40:51 am EDT from 4.232.180.231

TiniTinyTony > Greg has ssaid that the time would catch up. Don't know more than that.
Battle Beast - [wlukinuk at telus dot net]
That is all I will say.
posted @ Fri, May 25, 2007 12:32:23 am EDT from 142.59.132.201

DK2....no one said it was. and I don't think anyone really cares about him. Anything he said should be taken with a grain of salt. Besides, I am sure Gorebash can see if he/she is someone who's posted here before, he's got all the IPs.
Siren
Don't knock on Death's door. Ring his doorbell and run, he hates that.
posted @ Fri, May 25, 2007 12:31:25 am EDT from 68.202.76.113

Just so everyone knows, that ain't me thats posted as "Former fan" or "pissed off angry fan".
I'd never do that in the CR. Just in case anyone thought it was me.
DK2
posted @ Fri, May 25, 2007 12:26:46 am EDT from 24.70.95.205

Maybe getting everyone drunk was a part of Xanatos' plan...
Matt - [St dot Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age! Between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!" -Macbeth
posted @ Thu, May 24, 2007 10:55:58 pm EDT from 24.207.163.239

OK Todd I deleted the bad question and submitted the rest, I hope its OK now.

Shara -- I am a big fan of werewolves and other shapeshifters, but not as much a fan of anthro-animals.
Vaevictis Asmadi
posted @ Thu, May 24, 2007 10:51:20 pm EDT from 209.162.56.40

Phoenician: Lol! very true-probably at least 90% of the people there were drunk. Though I doubt everyone was. It doesn't really explain Morgan-I got the impression that he and Elisa had just arrived. He was close to a few of the gargoyles for an extended length of time and even shook "G"'s hand. I think even a drunk guy would wonder why the person they are meeting has only four fingers-or talons in this case. (Do gargoyles' skin feel different than ours?)

Greg B: Ah ok, I wasn't award of Margot and Brendan's couple status. I guess it's been known that they are married and Margot kept her maiden name since so many people were happy to learn of Brendan's last name in their reviews.
Purplegoldfish - [skydragonn at aol dot com]
"Whoa, Tiny, you mean there's more than one of you?" "My name is not Tiny! I am Goliath!" - Elisa and Tiny
posted @ Thu, May 24, 2007 9:52:46 pm EDT from 152.163.101.9

Demon@> I'm going to the Post Office tomorrow to buy the Star Wars collectible stamps, so that's why I wanted to know about the comic on Friday. If you e-mail your address I can let you know what shipping costs will be. I will pay it as long as you send me payment first, via money order, cashier's check or PayPal. Let me know tonight please or before 8:00am tomorrow. Thank you.
TiniTinyTony - [tinitinytony at hotmail dot com]
"My strength has never depended on brute force, but on true friends. - Goliath
posted @ Thu, May 24, 2007 9:38:21 pm EDT from 71.181.147.188

Well said Jen, I dont understand why they didnt use the fandom talent either. I mean if its money they are worried about now they could of had fans working for free doing great work. (sometimes I wonder about the world) but when I wonder about the world it makes my head hurt ;-P

Random Question> Is anyone in this room an anthro fan or furry fan?

Greg B keeps the debates going which makes the room interesting.
Shara
posted @ Thu, May 24, 2007 9:37:10 pm EDT from 4.245.120.139

OK Todd, if I submit it without #5 is it OK? Will you let me post it?

I know it isn't intended this way, but "idea disguised as a question" makes it sound like it is deliberate, to trick Todd. I promise, it was not deliberate.

People have already asked "did the war between Titans and Olympians happen" so I thought this was the same sort of question. In Greek mythology, they went to Tartarus and later were let out. It isn't any idea I invented. I didn't think it was an idea at all.
Vaevictis Asmadi
posted @ Thu, May 24, 2007 9:31:16 pm EDT from 209.162.56.40

Purplegoldfish> Brendan and Margot are married. Margot just kept her maiden name.

And yeah, I think almost everyone at that party is drunk.
Greg Bishansky
Fidel Castro dressed up like Marilyn Monroe and gave JFK a case of syphilis so bad it eventually blew out the back of his head.
posted @ Thu, May 24, 2007 9:18:02 pm EDT from 67.87.175.245

********POSSIBLE SPOILERS********

Purplegoldfish: "Which brings me to this though; how desnse are the people at the party that none of them seem to notice they have *real* gargoyles in their midst? I can understand the random party guests that don't get a good look at them--but those who go up to them like Margot and Morgan? No costume is THAT good. The wings, the tails, the feet. Morgan even *touches* Goliath. Does he suspect? It just seems odd particularly with the rumors that Xanatos harbors the gargoyles. Maybe I'm just being anal..."

The way I see it, I remember this scene from Seinfeld:

Elaine: "So you beleive 90% of the city's undate-able?"
Jerry: (Waving arms) "UNDATE-ABLE!!!"
Elaine: "So how're all these people getting together?"
Jerry: "Alcohol"

And hey, you DID say you think Judge Roebling already had some bubbly . . . .
Phoenician - [<---My Kinda Useless Blog]
"The Suspense is Terrible . . . I Hope it Lasts" -- Willy Wonka
posted @ Thu, May 24, 2007 9:14:33 pm EDT from 70.162.221.121

GargWiki linkage> 'Goliath has a crush on Lexington!!!!'

*eyebrow*

Um... right...

Wow. What has he/she been smoking?!
KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra_582 at hotmail dot com]
'Ignore Me!' - Venture Bros.
posted @ Thu, May 24, 2007 8:54:18 pm EDT from 69.95.196.89

*falls out of his chair laughing at what the troll had to say about him*

Greg B: I wasn't aware I'd been blasted. Probably because I didn't care. Apparently, "hey douchebag" (I've taken the liberty of actually spelling it right) WAS all he had. So I'll give him points for being both succinct and honest. Because he was also speaking truth, since I am a douchebag.

Jennifer: <Most of the older fans have found other, more sane places to discuss Gargoyles> You lie! Places like that are like Shangri-la. I don't believe they exist. ( ;
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75 at gmail dot com]
"Don't thank God. Quit while you're ahead." -Philip K. Dick ("Eye In the Sky")
posted @ Thu, May 24, 2007 8:46:57 pm EDT from 71.62.204.109

Greg B.> *goes to a couple of those links out of shee curiosity and regrets it instantly*

Jeez. No wonder he/she got banned.
KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra_582 at hotmail dot com]
'Ignore Me!' - Venture Bros.
posted @ Thu, May 24, 2007 8:44:14 pm EDT from 69.95.196.89

Demon@> E-mail me and we'll discuss if you're still interested. TiniTinyTony@hotmail.com
TiniTinyTony - [tinitinytony at hotmail dot com]
"My strength has never depended on brute force, but on true friends. - Goliath
posted @ Thu, May 24, 2007 7:36:20 pm EDT from 71.181.147.188

VAEVICTIS - Yes, I'm afraid that the question about the Titans in Tartarus came too close to an idea for my comfort. Sorry about that. I suggest that you resubmit your questions without that one.

I wonder whether it might not be a bad idea (to avoid these sorts of problems in the future) to have most questions (if not all) to "Ask Greg" be either reviews of the comic book issues or questions about the "behind-the-scenes" of the show, rather than "Gargoyles Universe" questions. (Since Greg obviously doesn't want to reveal that much now that he's got the comic book going, it would probably make all the more sense.)
Todd Jensen
Gargoyles - did for monstrous-looking statues what "Watership Down" did for rabbits!
posted @ Thu, May 24, 2007 7:27:00 pm EDT from 4.244.215.240

Sorry, didn't even think about that. At what point do we dispense with spoiler tags? How many months (years?!)?
Matt - [St dot Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age! Between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!" -Macbeth
posted @ Thu, May 24, 2007 7:24:32 pm EDT from 24.207.163.239

Matt: NOOO SPOILERS!! johojo, my fault :P.
TTT: yes i do!! but you know im on they other point of the continent right?
Demon@
"Humans are for earth what cancer is for humans" Demona
posted @ Thu, May 24, 2007 7:18:30 pm EDT from 200.126.197.20

Matt: NOOO SPOILERS!! johojo, my fault :P.
TTT: yes i do!! but you know im on they other point of the continent right?
Demon@
"Humans are for earth what cancer is for humans" Demona
posted @ Thu, May 24, 2007 7:18:29 pm EDT from 200.126.197.20

Demon@> I'm assuming you don't want the extra copy of Gargoyles #4 I bought specifically for you?
TiniTinyTony - [tinitinytony at hotmail dot com]
"My strength has never depended on brute force, but on true friends. - Goliath
posted @ Thu, May 24, 2007 7:13:09 pm EDT from 71.181.147.188

Demon@> Uh... "Goliath, I want children..." -Elisa

nuf said
Matt - [St dot Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age! Between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!" -Macbeth
posted @ Thu, May 24, 2007 7:12:38 pm EDT from 24.207.163.239

I think the best we could do with A Pissed Off Fan is to ignore him. He is one of those idiots that goes around insulting, molesting and offending others because he has not a life of his own, or because he is just such a poor shadow of a human been that needs to take something away from others, on these case, Greg B reputation.
But i need to say a few things, the only asshole so far in the comment room, is you A Pissed Off Fan. Just to take the time, and effort to writte and post a comment in a place that apparently you hate just shown how idiotic you are.
You dont like Greg B, fine, ignore him has ever cross your mind? You think you are some kind of heroe for following the show that you need everyone to follow your path? No one likes him or "follow" GB because he has the email of GW. He is one of the fandom and an older fan than you are, for what ive seen so far.
Im new here, so i wont include myself on these, but I think you need to get your own friends, here, you are just attaking one of the pack, showing that you are not very smart.
Im sorry for the bad words, but i deal with these kind of people all the time, and i really cant stand them.
Elisa/Goliath child: But does Elisa want to have a child at all? I see her as a woman devoted to her work, maybe she doesnt want a child.
Demon@
"Humans are for earth what cancer is for humans" Demona
posted @ Thu, May 24, 2007 7:10:29 pm EDT from 200.126.197.20

So in other words, he's upset that Gargoyles Wiki isn't a porn site? Makes sense.
Antiyonder - [antiyonder at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Thu, May 24, 2007 7:07:57 pm EDT from 71.115.193.12

Jurgan - << Okay, I'm really not clear what you're talking about. When has de Guzman ever told the fans to "go to hell?" >> The SLG News LiveJournal.

<<Did you think they were going to hire Alex Ross or someone?>> No, I had hoped they would use some of the fandom talent. ... and you'll understand why I felt that way when you see issue #5 art. There are better artists/colorists in this fandom that would have done this job for practically nothing.

A Pissed Off Fan - << If he were anyone else (like most of you canon fodder) he\'d be phased out from this site and by proxy, from it\'s fandom. >> I doubt that's true. This site does not a fandom make. I haven't posted here in over a year, does that mean I'm phased out of the fandom?? Hardly. It means I dislike dealing with people like you who show up to complain because someone else has received more attention. Most of the older fans have found other, more sane places to discuss Gargoyles... the people you see here are not the whole of the Gargoyles fandom.

Also, not to speak for him, but if Greg W. thinks anyone he personally knows here steps over the line, he generally will tell us.

Antiyonder - <<No one thinks that way about you. Heck, you and Greg B are the heart of the comment room, the glue that holds it together.>> BWAA HA HA HA HAAA!!
Jennifer "CrzyDemona" Anderson
MAL: Gotta say, doctor, your talent for alienatin' folk is near miraculous. SIMON: Yes, I'm very proud. - Firefly
posted @ Thu, May 24, 2007 6:45:51 pm EDT from 198.176.189.201

I must admit, the Thailog one made me chuckle... still totally inappropriate and clearly vandalism.
Matt - [St dot Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age! Between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!" -Macbeth
posted @ Thu, May 24, 2007 6:44:25 pm EDT from 24.207.163.239

TTTony> Though Issues 1-5 seem to happen within a few days of each other, I don't think this will be too typical for the comic later on. I think eventually one adventure might happen a few days or weeks after the last one. Given enough time, Greg will slowly catch up to the present and perhaps beyond.

Of course, thats just a hypothesis.
Matt - [St dot Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age! Between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!" -Macbeth
posted @ Thu, May 24, 2007 6:41:53 pm EDT from 24.207.163.239

His problem with the GargWiki is that he got blocked for these amusing contributions:

http://gargoyles.dracandros.com/w/index.php?title=User:Gweisman&oldid=6863
http://gargoyles.dracandros.com/w/index.php?title=User:Harvester_of_Eyes&oldid=6866
http://gargoyles.dracandros.com/w/index.php?title=Goliath&oldid=5508#Apocrypha_-_The_Goliath_Chronicles
http://gargoyles.dracandros.com/w/index.php?title=Thailog&oldid=5489#Behind_the_Scenes

There are more, but I think these speak for themselves.
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The 11th Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"All he needs is a whack upside the head." - Tony Soprano
posted @ Thu, May 24, 2007 6:41:00 pm EDT from 67.87.175.245

His problem with the GargWiki is that he got blocked for these amusing contributions:

http://gargoyles.dracandros.com/w/index.php?title=User:Gweisman&oldid=6863
http://gargoyles.dracandros.com/w/index.php?title=User:Harvester_of_Eyes&oldid=6866
http://gargoyles.dracandros.com/w/index.php?title=Goliath&oldid=5508#Apocrypha_-_The_Goliath_Chronicles
http://gargoyles.dracandros.com/w/index.php?title=Thailog&oldid=5489#Behind_the_Scenes

There are more, but I think this all speaks for itself.
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The 11th Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"All he needs is a whack upside the head." - Tony Soprano
posted @ Thu, May 24, 2007 6:39:51 pm EDT from 67.87.175.245

Checking to see if the Comment room will let me post
Wingless
posted @ Thu, May 24, 2007 6:38:10 pm EDT from 74.115.187.62

Question:

In the comics, it's 1996. Currently it's 2007. Assuming that the comis continue on for years to come, is there anyway that Greg W, will ever catch up to present time? Should I ask Greg this question?
TiniTinyTony - [tinitinytony at hotmail dot com]
"My strength has never depended on brute force, but on true friends. - Goliath
posted @ Thu, May 24, 2007 6:15:22 pm EDT from 71.181.147.188

dph>apf and GargWiki> "Actually, I'd like to hear *details* of what you have against the way the gargwiki is setup."

To be honest, so too would I.
KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra_582 at hotmail dot com]
'Ignore Me!' - Venture Bros.
posted @ Thu, May 24, 2007 5:49:25 pm EDT from 69.95.28.113

apf - GXB has gotten to the point where he is because he's put time into the fandom over the years. Heck, gxb has even been a gathering con-chair. He, also, worked on the original Ask Greg FAQ. Actually, I'd like to hear *details* of what you have against the way the gargwiki is setup.

gorebash - Just tested that change again. 2 posts ago, I used an avatar. Last post I didn't and this post it remembered not to assign an avatar.
dph_of_rules
Whatever happenned to simplicity?
posted @ Thu, May 24, 2007 5:38:31 pm EDT from 216.96.23.250

Jalapena!

http://www.uspsjedimaster.com/main/three_pack_pane.html
TiniTinyTony - [tinitinytony at hotmail dot com]
"My strength has never depended on brute force, but on true friends. - Goliath
posted @ Thu, May 24, 2007 5:20:33 pm EDT from 71.181.147.188

Giants?
Goliath - [Eyrie Building, New York, New York]
posted @ Thu, May 24, 2007 5:12:37 pm EDT from 24.207.163.239

Tony> Stamps?
KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra_582 at hotmail dot com]
'Ignore Me!' - Venture Bros.
posted @ Thu, May 24, 2007 4:50:04 pm EDT from 69.95.28.113

Let's not let the upset guy get under out skin. Shall we move on?

I know there are a lot of Star Wars fans in here so you all know tomorrow is right? Yep, you guessed it -- it's the 30th anniversary of the release of Star Wars. How am I celebrating? I'm buying stamps.

I hope you get the great feeling of being underwhelmed over here. I can't wait for POTC 3 tomorrow though. Hopefully it won't disappoint like Spider-man 3. There's still the Fantastic 4 sequel, Harry Potter: OoTP and Transformers to save the summer (and maybe Evan Almighty).
TiniTinyTony - [tinitinytony at hotmail dot com]
"My strength has never depended on brute force, but on true friends. - Goliath
posted @ Thu, May 24, 2007 4:43:59 pm EDT from 71.181.147.188

A pissed off fan> as the resident 8 year old, i would gladly accept any alternative layout proposals for review. Feel free to e-mail me any you think appropriate for this place. I'm also curious as to why your apostrophes are being escaped (backslash) when nobody else's are. Are you using an international version of a web browser or perhaps a proxy?

As I understand it, your anger stems from Greg B's decisions regarding the GargWiki, which is HIS site to do with as HE pleases. This is really between you and him. It doesn't involve the fandom, the CR, Greg W, or anyone else. Please try to keep it between you two.
Gorebash - [gorebash at s8 dot org]
posted @ Thu, May 24, 2007 4:23:53 pm EDT from 207.206.247.163

A pissed off fan> And you're just... such a barrel of sunshine. To be honest, I don't know Greg that well, and from what I've seen he can be pretty abrasive at times. But he's put A LOT of effort into this fandom and the wiki and these sites, and for that I don't really think we should berate him. He's not the one going out of his way to call people stupid and rude.

Oy. Sorry about that.

Back to Gargoyles!

I'm hoping to see if I can pick up 3 and 4 this weekend somewhere. But I dunno. I'm really looking forward to 4 especially.
Aldrius
posted @ Thu, May 24, 2007 4:22:54 pm EDT from 207.112.122.79

Time for my review of #4! It's gonna be LONG!
____________SPOILER ALERT_________________

Awesome story!! My favorite issue so far.

First off, I hate the flimsy cover. And is it just me, or are the interior pages of lesser quality too? And it drives me crazy that we have to pay MORE money for a lesser quality book. That's all I will say about that.

The interior art: well I have to say that Paniry(?) is a better comic artist than Hedgecock (though Hedgcock does do more detailed backgrounds.) From an artist's standpoint, the art is very good. Good fluid action sequences and nice facial and body expressions. Paniry has a better grasp on anatomy than Hedgecock as well. I don't mind the thick outlines. The one grip I have is that Goliath looks a little too "Incredible Hulk" in some scenes-and Elisa, well she looks more like the REAL Princess Jasmine than Elisa in a Jasmine costume. (I used to really be into the "Aladdin" tv series-so I pretty much have these two characters' faces memorized-which is sad. Why do I have the sudden urge to draw Elisa as she would look in a Jasmine costume?)-I have some more thoughts on her costume later. Thailog and Angela look great throughout the book, as do the clones and mutates.
Evan's coloring is pretty decent. One thing though, why are Elisa's eyes blue?? And I could do without all the lens flares-and what's with the shiny white streaks in Goliath's hair?
Okay, sorry for that long babble-I'm an artist, so I'm anal about this stuff.

On to the story-(finally). So we start the book off with Yo' Mama jokes. I couldn't help groaning-oh it's the 90's! I like the kids' banter, though they look a little too "Mickey Mouse" cutesy to me. Also isn't Billy's hair blonde? Okay, I'll stop with the art, I promise :P I thought those Quarrymen were kids in costumes at first. Seriously though, I'de be more scared of those guys than of the gargoyles.

I really like the Hudson/Robbins scene. How awesome would it be to get halloween candy from a gargoyle? I love the panel with Bronx and Gilly sleeping by the fire. A dog is a dog no matter what it looks like! I have a feeling Robbins suspects Hudson is a gargoyle and is waiting for him to admit. I wonder why Hudson doesn't tell him though? Surely he's been in his company enough to know by now that Robbins wouldn't chase him out simply for what he is. Is that what Hudson is afraid of? I like his "mask" line though. It's so true-and it seems to be the theme of this issue (Where's the title?). Everyone wears masks-not just to hide their physical features-but also to hide their inner thoughts and feelings-to others and to themselves.

Ah, Margot and Brendan. I had always assumed for some reason that Brendan's last name was Yale. I guess they are not married. Love the Wizard of Oz costumes-particularly Angela's. Though Lex's choice is a bit creepy. Margot gets close and personal with Lex. For someone who's "seen these beasts up close" she can't tell he's a gargoyle when she's mere inches from his face. Which brings me to this though; how desnse are the people at the party that none of them seem to notice they have *real* gargoyles in their midst? I can understand the random party guests that don't get a good look at them--but those who go up to them like Margot and Morgan? No costume is THAT good. The wings, the tails, the feet. Morgan even *touches* Goliath. Does he suspect? It just seems odd particularly with the rumors that Xanatos harbors the gargoyles. Maybe I'm just being anal...

back to the story...Elisa shows up as Jasmine. We've got a theme here with the Disney Princesses. But is it really in Elisa's character to be dressed in such a skimpy outfit in public like that? I mean we hardly even saw her bare arms throughout the series. I see this as being much more out of character for her than when she breaks up with Goliath. Angela shows she has a bitchy side-it's great-she's not the sweet little angel so many people make her out to be. She's right to be annoyed at Elisa-I am too- but isn't Angela being a bit of hypocrite considering the way she and Broadway are around Brooklyn? She even seems to be flirting with him later on. I like how our heroines are showing flaws in their characters though-makes them more real.

I just love Judge Roebling here. I like how Greg takes all these bit characters we assume we'll only see once and brings them back and gives them personality. Robeling seems to have gotten in the bubbly a bit. His speech patterns remind me of Foghorn Leghorn lol. I love how he just comes up to Goliath and talks to him as if he's just like any other normal guy in the room. And I love the "wink wink nudge nudge" line. A reference to Monty Python? I have a friend who says that a lot and he likes both Monty Python and Gargoyles. This guy reminds me of him I guess. I like Goliath's terse "No!" when Roebling asks if Delilah is Demona. Goliath's in such a talky mood...One thing that is really missing from the comic books is tone of voice. I would like to hear how Goliath said "No!", how Brentwood said "free...will?" Oh well, I guess we just have to use our imaginations.

I love the akward moment when delilah talks about her genetic sources. She's so direct hehe, and then Elisa and Morgan show up. I think the term we are searching for during the party scenes is "Awkward." I love that long dark panel with just the four of them in the spotlight staring at each other. It's just them in the room...

I think drooling broadway and Lex is a bit much. We're trying to get away from the idea that Broadway is just a big eatint machine. I'm glad that Lex is drooling right along with him though. At least they're enjoying themselves-even Lex who doesn't have a signifiant other. Unlike Brooklyn who's moping and feeling sorry for himself again...he's getting on my nerves.

I got the connection with the Chungs. Ambassador Chung and Terry, the kid from the first few panels. Not too big of a deal for me since I've never been interested in the New Olympian spinoff in the least-don't really know why, I'm just not. Maybe if I went to the Gathering and learned more about it--though unfortunately I can't go this year. (I do intend to get to at least one). Though I wonder if we'll see more of these two in the current gargoyle universe.
Interesting bit of information about Alex's growth spurt. I haven't noticed. I'm also a bit surprised that only four months has passed since "The Gathering." Probably because we haven't gotten new material in ten years.
I'm not surprised that a high up Illuminati guy would be working in the white house-as a server no less! I can't even make any speculation on what they want to talk to Xanatos about.

Back to the labyrinth- Claw and Maggie come into their own here. Claw tackles Thailog-must have taken a lot of guts considering his timid personality. But I gotta hand it to maggie. She stands up to Thailog-a homicidal gargoyle armed to the teeth who had just subdued both Talon and Claw. I don't think a lot of people give her enough credit-she has a lot of courage-and she's buried for it...I hope she's okay. Didn't get the Norma Rae line until some people said it was a Sally Field movie. How old is the target audience again? ;)
I like the free will theme going on with the clones. Do they have a choice in following Thailog? Or maybe they just don't realize that they do. Brentwood stands out from the other clones here. He's even in the background when Goliath and Owen discuss Delilah's free will later on. I think he's going to break off from Thailog.

So labyrinth girl volunteers to go warn Goliath. She's a bit too late though- if she even went at all. I'm curious as to her motives. Back at the party Morgan is an idiot and reminds Elisa that she broke up with Goliath...dude, that's not the best way to romance a girl. He's perseptive, but Elisa and Goliath must have tension radiating from them that you can cut with a knife when they're next to each other. It can't be THAT hard to figure it out.

Elisa and Goliath are so kind to their dates hehe. I actually feel bad for them. Elisa just kinda ignores Morgan and stares into space, and Goliath just kinda ignores Delilah and stares at Elisa. Goliath just orders Delilah to "stay here" while he runs after Elisa. Yeah, real nice Goliath, treat Delilah like Thailog does. I love how morgan attempts to break the tension with his "having fun yet" line. I think they both realize they're being used.

I really like the Goliath/Elisa moment. It's so frustrating- Elisa is trying to run away from her feelings. Does she honestly believe that she can go on without Goliath? It's so pathetically obvious that she can't, yet she keeps trying. I love Goliath's speech. He actually uses the word "love" in reference to Demona and Elisa. Pretty strong admissin I think. This is the closest he has ever come to telling her he loves her...I get the feeling he was about to-but Elisa cuts him off, again. Maybe Elisa realized what he was about to say and that's why she ran off. ARGHH! DAMNIT ELISA! I'm surprised Goliath hasn't completely lost it with her by now-just grab her by the shoulders, tell her to "shut the hell up" and listen to him!

Thailog is true to his word and crashes the party. Poor Goliath, it's just going from bad to worse. I love Owen's response. So very "Owen." He had that goon squad ready relatively quickly-so maybe Labyrinth girl did give word? Hmmm...I love Owen's line about constantly repairing the castle. A little nod to all the times the castle is damaged because of all the craziness that goes on there. Owen makes the best possible choice he can and offers up Delilah. Poor Delilah, just a pawn in all this mess. I hope she eventually rips Thailog a new one. I really like the split panel with the halves of Goliath's and Thailog's faces. And then the cliffhanger...Wow, Thailog is one nasty SOB! First he buries Maggie alive for talking to the clones, then he stabs Goliath in the gut, who's just standing there!! I wasn't too surprised that this happened, since I seen the cover to #5 when it got out accidentally. Oh well. The look on Goliath's face while he's being stabbed is a bit comical. I'm not sure if that was the intention. But oh man, Greg really leaves us hanging! I can't wait for number five! I'm intrigued by Greg saying "Elisa makes a choice" on the back page. Maybe seeing Goliath nearly dying will convince that she's being an idiot and that her place is with him. I'm also curious as to what Delilah will choose to do.

All in all, an awesome chapter to this great story! My one major gripe is that it's too short! Great job to everyone who worked on it!

Ack, this is really long isn't it? Sorry guys, I was excited ;) I hope some of you enjoyed reading this at least.
Purplegoldfish - [skydragonn at aol dot com]
"Whoa, Tiny, you mean there's more than one of you?" "My name is not Tiny! I am Goliath!" - Elisa and Tiny
posted @ Thu, May 24, 2007 4:18:18 pm EDT from 205.188.116.200

A Pissed Off Fan> Jeez, chill out. We're not hyprocrites here.

As far as Greg B. goes, he may be an asshole, granted, but he's not a troll. He got defensive that last time due to the presence of a troll. So, for him, it's a different case then most of the peeps who come in, start junk, and get banned. Besides, we're all kind of used to him. Like someone else said, he and Jennifer 'CrzyDemona' Anderson are the glue that holds this CR together. So leave the glue alone.

And, speaking of trolls, I don't believe I've ever seen you in here. Which means you're either a n00b who came here looking for positivity and got burned somehow, or you just plain came in looking to stir up trouble.

and, anyway, what's wrong with the layout of this site? It's fine the way it is.

Just chill and give us a chance. I'm sure you'll see we're not that bad.
KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra_582 at hotmail dot com]
'Ignore Me!' - Venture Bros.
posted @ Thu, May 24, 2007 4:02:36 pm EDT from 69.95.28.113

About Greg B Being an Asshole>> I was gonna keep my mouth shut, but you are all a bunch of hypocrites. You line up to kiss his ass only because he\'s well positioned within Greg Weisman\'s inner circle. If he were anyone else (like most of you canon fodder) he\'d be phased out from this site and by proxy, from it\'s fandom. Don\'t forget we are the ones who keep the fandom alive, but this bully keeps going rampant, stupid and rude, and everyone turns a blind eye because he has influence.

Also, it\'s about time we get a decent looking forum here. This looks like put together by a retarded 8 year old.
A Pissed Off Fan
Suck It
posted @ Thu, May 24, 2007 3:45:18 pm EDT from 85.234.133.114

Vaevictis Asmadi - I'm not Todd, but it seems like question #5 is submitting an idea disguised as a question.

ArkansasMezzo - It's nice to know there's another Arkansan in this cr.
dph_of_rules
Whatever happenned to simplicity?
posted @ Thu, May 24, 2007 3:06:31 pm EDT from 216.96.23.250

This is just a sad time overall for me around here.

Todd>> You deleted my question? Please tell me why?

This was the post you deleted:
My favorite part of "Gargoyles" has always been the incorporation of myths and legends -- both the presence of actual gods and characters like King Arthur and Cuchullain, and the hints that gargoyles inspired some mythical creatures, such as griffins, black dogs, and feathered serpents. Greek Mythology was one of my first great loves as a child, and remains one of my favorite things to read about and study, though I've branched out somewhat into the myths of other cultures. And I agree with Chip, I'm very glad you didn't make Anubis evil. Lots of fantasy settings that use mythological characters just assume that all death gods are evil, without really reading any of the stories about them, and that irritates me a great deal.

So naturally, I am very curious about the Children of Oberon, and their connection to mythology around the world. I have a lot of questions about them, and I don't want to bother you by posting a ton all at once, so I'm only posting some of them for now. I hope 6 in one post is not too many.

1. a. Are Children of Oberon vulnerable to steel, since it contains iron? Oberon reacted badly to Elisa's gun which she said was "steel alloy" but I have no idea what bullets themselves are made of, or if Oberon knows what bullets are. And the spear that Anansi was stabbed with looked to me like steel.
b. Can Children of Oberon be harmed at all by non-iron weapons, such as a bronze sword, or fire, or a laser?

2. a. In the past when asked if the Third Race need food you answered "Yes, depending on their chosen form." To clarify, do you mean that they only need food when they take a truly mortal form like Owen, but not when they are in a Third Race form (like Puck)? Or that it depends on what shape they take even when not in a mortal form?
b. Do the Third Race need to breathe? I mean, when they are not in a truly mortal form like Owen. c. If they do breathe, what gas do they use? Oxygen, or carbon dioxide, or something else?

3. You've said that some of the Greek gods were Children of Mab but some may have been halflings similar to the New Olympians. Since Zeus and the other Greek gods were worshiped at least as early as 2000 BC, if any of the Olympians were halflings, could any of them still be alive in 1996? Can halflings actually live thousands of years? (without being enchanted by somebody else like Macbeth and Demona were)

4. Were/are the Titans members of the Third Race?

5. You also said that the conflict between the Titans and Olympians occured in the Gargoyles universe. In the Gargoyles universe, were the Titans imprisoned in Tartarus? (wherever "Tartarus" may be)
b. If yes, were they still imprisoned in 1996, or did they escape or get released? c. Did they attend the Gathering?

6. I think you've stated that the Aesir were of the Third Race. What about the Vanir?
Vaevictis Asmadi
posted @ Thu, May 24, 2007 2:09:47 pm EDT from 209.162.56.40

On the road trip up to Montreal I talked with Vash about that a bit. During one of Greg's Q&A I tossed out a question about it and Greg avoided a direct answer. I asked a round-about question and got Greg to give an answer that alluded to Nick being a descendant of G&E's adopted kid.

Greg did caution me later that what I was inferring might not be totally correct.

But my take on everything I've seen Greg say about G&E both at cons and in Ask Greg is that they would, eventually, adopt. I think Greg's response to the latest batch of questions, mentioning that magic wasn't the only means available for them to have a kid, is a strong hint at adoption. How that would come about has been asked a little bit. If I recall correctly Greg hinted that maybe Elisa would adopt through legal means, maybe as a single mother, but G&E would raise the kid together as theirs. It wasn't a "this is how it will happen", but Greg going over "what ifs" and possible options. A lot of this is inferring from Greg's vague answers and he can always change his mind since none of this is in stone.

But I'd certainly be willing to place money on a bet that G&E will eventually adopt a kid.

And if I had to really stretch it out, the scenario I see is that a relative of Elisa's has a kid, the relative is unable to raise the kid so the kid is placed with Elisa because she's family. Who the relative is and why they'd be unable to raise a kid is open to your own imagination, but I don't think the death of Beth Maza is the only scenario.
Gorebash
posted @ Thu, May 24, 2007 12:13:56 pm EDT from 207.206.247.192

*enters with a cup of coffee*

dph_of_rules> Yup, it's true, born and bred Arkansan. But I'd like to think my accent doesn't come through in the CR. :) (Actually, I've been told that I don't have much of one, thanks to my dad's training in radio broadcasting.) And I don't want to fan the flames of an abortion debate any more than you do, but your abortion/adoption comment was very insightful.

*realizes she doesn't drink coffee anymore, pours it out longingly into a puddle on the floor, and dives into it*
ArkansasMezzo
I'll think of something to put here.
posted @ Thu, May 24, 2007 10:30:30 am EDT from 206.255.77.227

Greg revealed that Nicholas Natsilane Maza was a descendent of the child Goliath and Elisa adopt at the 2004 Gathering.
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The 11th Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"All he needs is a whack upside the head." - Tony Soprano
posted @ Thu, May 24, 2007 10:09:24 am EDT from 67.87.175.245

Nick Maza> His heritage is an extrapolation from this line in the Gargoyles 2198 document: "Nicholas Natsilane Maza is a scion of both the Natsilane and Maza families." Based on that and other hints in Ask Greg, one could make the assumption Vashkoda has made, but I don't think Greg has ever made a clear statement to that effect.

In reviewing the Gargoyles 2198 document, I was struck by a new thought. Delilah of 2198 is aware of (and ashamed of) her "mixed breed" heritage. For her to be aware of that heritage would mean that some attention is paid to biologial parentage, at least in the Labyrinth Clan. It would make sense, since that clan continues to deal with genetic engineering, but it's a departure from the Gargoyle Way. Just an interesting thought.
Phil - [p1anderson at go dot com]
posted @ Thu, May 24, 2007 9:27:54 am EDT from 134.215.196.82

VASHKODA - When *did* Greg reveal that the Nick Maza of "Gargoyles 2198" was descended from an adopted child of Goliath and Elisa?
Todd Jensen
Gargoyles - did for monstrous-looking statues what "Watership Down" did for rabbits!
posted @ Thu, May 24, 2007 7:20:43 am EDT from 4.244.215.9

I always thought it would be cool to have G&E raise Thailog and Delilah's child, since it would technically carry both E&G's genes (and I can easily see things ending badly between Delilah and Thailog which could lead to the "serendipity (and some tragedy)" that Greg hints at. But then Greg revealed that 2198's Nick Maza is descended from G&E's adopted child, and since he's 100% human, we know G&E's adopted child also is. Unless they raise more than one...
Vashkoda - [my name goes here at gmail dot com]
D2 <Can I have it?>
posted @ Thu, May 24, 2007 7:05:36 am EDT from 129.98.125.105

Good points, JJ.

I guess if Goliath wants a whole clan of human babies, they could adopt an entire orphanage. But it's going to come down what Elisa wants if Goliath wants a relationship with her. They do love each other, but come from different worlds and in Elisa's little slice of the world she wants a husband and probably 2.3 kids, so Goliath is going to have to take it or leave it.
TiniTinyTony
posted @ Thu, May 24, 2007 6:43:11 am EDT from 71.181.147.188

Thanks JJ.

I do think the idea of a human child being raised by gargoyles is neat. Sorta a foil to the Avalon Clan. I like the idea, but I'm not sure we'll ever see it happen.

!*!*!*!*!*!*! MINOR SPOILERS *!*!*!*!*!*!*!*
As for the idea of Goliath and Delilah hooking up just to produce a child... well, if Delialh doesn't feel used after the blind date, she would after that. Delilah is only gonna get two breeding cycles afterall. Plus, I doubt Elisa would be cool with that whole idea, esspecially how much she is hurt just by seeing Goliath and Delilah on a date together. Them having a child (one of the things she wants most) would probably be too much for her.
*!!*!*!*!*!*! END SPOILERS *!*!*!*!*!*!
Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age, between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!!!" -Macbeth, "City of Stone"
posted @ Thu, May 24, 2007 6:34:40 am EDT from 24.207.163.239

If Elisa did want a baby she could have gone with the donated sperm thing or IVF treatment but don't know what IVF treatmemt was like in the late 90s
Vicky82 - [Vickyfanofwwe at aol dot com]
posted @ Thu, May 24, 2007 6:33:36 am EDT from 195.93.21.4

G&E and a little one>>
Wouldn't having a private child à la American (Western) norms seem extremely odd to Goliath? Adopting just to have a private child even odder? If the child were not private, what would be the point of a new child from the perspective of G&E? *

If Elisa wanted a "biological" child so badly, couldn't Goliath (with consent from all affected parties) sire an offspring with Delilah? Sure, there would be some Demona in the child, but that doesn't seem to have harmed Angela (so far...)

Another thought: I wonder how rasing a human child as a "hatchling" of the clan would work. (Now, an adopted child could be gargoylean, of course: dying clan, perhaps?)

Oh and Matt, happy birthday, roughly a week late. :-P

* I see how events could transpire that cause the clan to adopt the children of some fallen friends or family.
JJ Gregarius
posted @ Thu, May 24, 2007 3:24:04 am EDT from 206.57.91.179

(Reads Blaise exit): Weird, I JUST saw The Godfather: Part I today, and I totally thought back to those old-fashioned toilets where they stashed the gun for Michael at the restaurant . . .

Kids 4 G&E: Man, I've been reading all you guys' posts today . . . great topic, especially because, as Greg X mentioned, we really don't know that much, regardless of what Greg Weisman revealed.

Anyways, I've always considered adoption to be their only real option IF they did decide they wanted to raise a child together. As it was said earlier, science and/or sorcery COULD make it possible, but knowing G&E, not only would it be improbable, but it just seems like a cop-out for their unique relationship.

(And yeah, I would trust Sevarious with my laundry as far as I can throw him . . . which isn't far!)
Phoenician - [<---My Kinda Useless Blog]
"The Suspense is Terrible . . . I Hope it Lasts" -- Willy Wonka
posted @ Thu, May 24, 2007 3:07:03 am EDT from 70.162.221.121

ArkansasMezzo - Since you're using that id, does that mean you're living inside the state of Arkansas?

gxb - Big surpise, I confess to visiting the gargwiki timeline frequently.

gorebash - <should be fixed now.> thanks. I feel stupid that I didn't think about what causing the problem to save you some time. One more request, on your left nav bar, under "Related Websites", could you fix those links to open in a new tab/new window in our web browser?

Siren - <Plus, I think its cool that Greg brought back a one shot character like that.> That's the thing I like about this universe. There aren't that many one shot characters - only a handfull. <And see people, how easy it is to just refer to the resouces given to us for free and immediate use, rather than posting a question on Ask Greg and adding to the workload.> Exactly.

As far as adoption goes, I always think of adoptions as going hand-in-hand with eliminating the need for abortion, but I don't want to start an abortion debate here (or anywhere else for that matter).

*observes how Blaise left the room last time. dph looks around for a moment, seemingly selects a random light bulb switch, and is sucked into a light bulb, burning the light bulb out.*
dph_of_rules
Whatever happenned to simplicity?
posted @ Thu, May 24, 2007 1:59:20 am EDT from 216.96.23.250

****Blaise steps out of the fire in the fireplace and plops down into an old easy chair.**** When you don't work for a while, a day of work actually takes the wind out of you. On the other hand, when you don't work for a while, a day of work also brightens the world. I can't wait for my next job!

ARKANSASMEZZO--OR THE POSTER FORMERLY KNOWN AS KIT KAT> Good to see an old face (albeit with a different name and avatar)! And thanks--I've never quite grown out of doing the Blaisisms.

SIREN> RE: Looking things up instead of Asking Greg:
You're preaching to the choir, sister!

GOLIATH, ELISA, AND KIDS> I have to agree with the general consensus of the Room that--when Elisa and Goliath actually do raise a child together--it will be adopted.
My question is, who will the kid be?
I mean, it COULD be just some random kid they adopt (nothing wrong with that), but given the nature of the Gargoyles Universe, I find myself thinking the child may be the recently-orphaned child of other characters we know. Just now, my mind has thrown up this Creativity Daemon of Beth Maza and Natsilane getting together, having a kid, and then both dying, leaving Elisa and Goliath to adopt and raise the child as their own.
Mind you, this is completely wild speculation, but I just think the child will have SOME connection to our favorite couple even before the adoption.
As for a biological offspring...technically Venus, the character from the Marvel comics gargoyles series, would be the daughter of Goliath and Elisa (since she's supposed to be a genetic mixture of both of them and that's essentially what biological children are). But any appeal in that area ends when it becomes apparant that she's a young adult who sees Goliath as her mate! Feelings that came complete with a full lip-lock!
Say it with me now: YUCK!
Of course, she doesn't exist in the Gargoyles Universe proper, but I think she serves as a fine example that a gargoyle-human "love child" may not be the best idea.

I'm taking off to drink a few gallons of water and then hit the sack. Until next time, farewell. ****Blaise reaches up and seems to grasp and pull an invisible chain. There is the sound of a toilet flushing and Blaise is sucked down into the chair.****
Blaise
"Build a man a fire, keep him warm for a day. Set a man on fire, keep him warm for the rest of his life."--Terry Pratchett's "Jingo"
posted @ Wed, May 23, 2007 11:15:56 pm EDT from 4.232.231.198

sorry, I made a dumb typo;

>>I doubt she would see themselves as their mother in the same vein that all the females of the clan would.>>

I meant to say "herself" not "themselves"
Purplegoldfish - [skydragonn at aol dot com]
"Whoa, Tiny, you mean there's more than one of you?" "My name is not Tiny! I am Goliath!" - Elisa and Tiny
posted @ Wed, May 23, 2007 8:48:52 pm EDT from 205.188.116.200

gargoyle way/adoption- Obviously rearing more children of his own isn't that much of an issue to Goliath-but it is to Elisa. I'm under the impression that she wants to raise a child; her OWN child. Goliath conforms to the gargoyle way and will no doubt be a rookery father to the future hatchlings of the clan. Will the other gargoyles see Elisa as a rookery mother just as much as Angela and Katana will be? Maybe. But even though Elisa will probably love and protect the young gargoyles, I doubt she would see themselves as their mother in the same vein that all the females of the clan would. She just wasn't raised that way. And I don't think she HAS to conform totally to their ways too. That would be quite selfish of Goliath if he expected her to do that. Their relationship is unique-I think they will both have to make a lot of compromises on important issues like this.
I think what might happen is Elisa takes in a child as her own, and she and Goliath would be its parents. Goliath would view all the kids as his own, not just Elisa's-but the kid might see Goliath and Elisa as his only parents, especially if the kid is human, which I think it will be.

On another tangent, I can't see any of this happening unless Elisa moves in with the gargoyles. I'm guess she does at some point-but I can't imagine how she would put up with living under Xanatos' roof.
Purplegoldfish - [skydragonn at aol dot com]
"Whoa, Tiny, you mean there's more than one of you?" "My name is not Tiny! I am Goliath!" - Elisa and Tiny
posted @ Wed, May 23, 2007 8:44:58 pm EDT from 205.188.116.200

I just got #4 today. I'll post my review on it later, but I must say...thank you to everyone at GargWiki! Its so nice to be able to go right there to answer my own questions rather than asking it here or even AskGreg. I couldn't remember how Goliath knew a judge and why he knew Demona....it was a very WTF? moment. Plus, I think its cool that Greg brought back a one shot character like that. I could see now why Xanatos and Fox invited him since he was the one who married them.

And see people, how easy it is to just refer to the resouces given to us for free and immediate use, rather than posting a question on Ask Greg and adding to the workload.
Siren
Don't knock on Death's door. Ring his doorbell and run, he hates that.
posted @ Wed, May 23, 2007 8:22:51 pm EDT from 68.202.76.113

Demonskyre: Thanks for the passionate statement on the issues. Seriously, that was the best one yet.

I'm for adoption on a different level: it's a concept that's often overlooked in fiction as a way for the heroes to have children. Perhaps to some it can be justified, that people will just connect more strongly to the idea of biological children because of the natural instinct for passing on the genes...but why not adoption? Too many aspects of interspecies relationships in fantasy fiction are taken for granted, it seems, and Goliath/Elisa is one of the great exceptions. It's why I *enjoyed* Elisa breaking Goliath's heart, because it showed tha""t such things aren't simple.
Incisivis - [incisivis at hotmail dot com]
"No live organism can continue for long to exist sanely under conditions of absolute reality; even larks and katydids are supposed, by some, to dream" -- Shirley Jackson
posted @ Wed, May 23, 2007 8:02:53 pm EDT from 216.36.154.204

Yep, that is the gargoyle way. And besides, he already has a child... Angela.

Adoption is good. More human than science or sorcery... more gargoylian too for that matter.
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The 11th Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"All he needs is a whack upside the head." - Tony Soprano
posted @ Wed, May 23, 2007 7:57:27 pm EDT from 67.87.175.245

Besides, woudnt goliath have child through the others? , like Brooklyn or Lexington. All the hatchling belongs to the clan. Elisa would need to get use to the idea, but for Goliath it would be perfectly normal.
Demon@
"Humans are for earth what cancer is for humans" Demona
posted @ Wed, May 23, 2007 7:54:48 pm EDT from 201.235.211.237

Demonskyre> Excellent point.
ArkansasMezzo
-- "I'll think of something to put here."
posted @ Wed, May 23, 2007 6:42:40 pm EDT from 206.255.77.227

Amen, Demonskyre. Well said.
Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age, between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!!!" -Macbeth, "City of Stone"
posted @ Wed, May 23, 2007 5:51:41 pm EDT from 24.207.163.239

Goliath and Elisa Parenting> I think the big reason we're not going to see a biological child from Goliath and Elisa is that "Gargoyles" has shown time and time again that neither sorcery nor science is a way to get around your problems. Most spells and magic in the Gargoyles universe cause a lot more problems than they solve and frequently backfire on the caster/requester. The spell Puck casts on Demona is possible the most advantageous spell to its target in the whole series, and yet she still goes through physical pain every time she transforms and has to deal with living half her life as a member of a species she despises (not to mention the utter lack of sleep). Sevarius has used science on behalf of his various clients to make each of them a more compliant version of the Manhattan clan and the closest thing to a success in that regard is the clone clan minus Delilah (maybe). Just as Elisa and Goliath can't just pick a species and have one of them changed to that magically and live happily ever after, they can't just make a child through magic or science. If we as readers are going to believ that these are real people, they can't have fantasy solutions to real problems. There are real people who deal with being in love with someone different than them and they can't just change to be more acceptable to everyone else. There are real peple who cannot have biological children and they still manage to get through life. Goliath and Elisa can still find happiness together and they can still raise children. I don't want to drag out my pet rant about gargoyle children and parentage again, so I'll just say that even our culture, their are ways to know the joy of raising children without having them yourself.
Demonskrye
posted @ Wed, May 23, 2007 5:39:29 pm EDT from 209.6.251.143

Thanks Asatira for setting me up. At first, when you said they should adopt anything I was going to say they could adopt a woodland creature or something silly of that nature. But then highway popped into my head and I thought it was pretty funny. I'm glad you enjoyed it so we could all laugh together.

But I agree, adoption is probably the best, but it could be problematic as well. If they adopted a human child and the child's school teacher wanted to meet with both the mother and the father, then that could cause an awful shock to the teacher and may create more problems that they would in turn have to deal with. And I'm sure Elisa wouldn't want to lie about being a single mom, because that's not part of her character.

So there really is no easy solution, but adoption, for the moment, appears easier and more plausible, than inter-species mating.
TiniTinyTony - [tinitinytony at hotmail dot com]
"My strength has never depended on brute force, but on true friends. - Goliath
posted @ Wed, May 23, 2007 5:27:42 pm EDT from 71.181.147.188

TTT> I won't say I walked into that one, but I guess I did set up for the punchline. It's funny. :p
Asatira
posted @ Wed, May 23, 2007 5:20:25 pm EDT from 66.168.218.251

TTT> LOL.

Adoption> I side with Asatira there.
KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra_582 at hotmail dot com]
'Ignore Me!' - Venture Bros.
posted @ Wed, May 23, 2007 5:05:08 pm EDT from 69.95.91.204

Hehehehe!
Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age, between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!!!" -Macbeth, "City of Stone"
posted @ Wed, May 23, 2007 4:56:02 pm EDT from 24.207.163.239

Asatira quote: "I rather like the idea of the two of them adopting a child, either human, gargoyle, heck even something else, and raising it."

Maybe they can just adopt a highway, and keep it clean together.
TiniTinyTony - [tinitinytony at hotmail dot com]
"My strength has never depended on brute force, but on true friends. - Goliath
posted @ Wed, May 23, 2007 4:10:45 pm EDT from 71.181.147.188

How about Goliath and Elisa addopting an orphan child from the Labyrinth since I would think they would be more tolorant of Gargoyles. Also, when the next rookery comes around, they could help raise them(although Elisa would be around 50 at the time).
Adam - [carl006_1999 at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Wed, May 23, 2007 3:54:47 pm EDT from 170.112.1.251

Vertigo> I think officially, Elisa would be the only parent. Officially. Any child they adopt will take the name Maza.
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The 11th Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"All he needs is a whack upside the head." - Tony Soprano
posted @ Wed, May 23, 2007 3:51:24 pm EDT from 67.87.175.245

Actually, I see Elisa and Goliath having some serious issues when it comes to adoption. Its already difficult enough for two normal people to adopt a child, let alone a police officer (a very dangerous profession) and a "monster". (Lets face it, there are alot of people in NYC that are afraid of them!) IF it were to happen, this would have to be drug out over SEVERAL issues to have some resemblance to reality. (also potential drama between Elisa and Goliath)
Vertigo1
"I can't believe how hard it is to blow up a room full of gasoline!" - Adam Savage (Mythbusters)
posted @ Wed, May 23, 2007 3:48:08 pm EDT from 67.128.254.73

Ah, Greg B's a good guy. He's just upfront with his opinions ;)

I also agree that Goliath and Elisa shouldn't and wouldn't have a child through science or sorcery. And they certainly can't have one naturally. Even if they could, why would they want to? Why subject a half human/half gargoyle child to the world they currently live.
Also, it wouldn't solve Elisa's problems for what she wants in life (or thinks she wants.) She wants a semblance of "normalcy"- a house, a husband, kids, ect... like her own parents had. She probably fears that her life will be wasted if she doesn't have these things. (and society as a whole does give us this message as well). Raising a child with a gargoyle is far from "normal" and would add more complications to their already hectic lives.

But, Elisa needs to get over that. And I agree adoption is a good idea. I'm under the impression that they will most likely adopt a human child-from things hinted at in Ask Greg and the gargwiki. The idea of Goliath and the other gargoyles helping to raise a human child appeals to me. I can just imagine Goliath holding a human infant in his arms-it's a cute image.

Invitro vs. adoption-I agree that people should adopt over getting medical help in having a baby-but I can't bash those people that do invitro. My aunt and uncle did invitro-it cost them upwards of 15,000 dollars. Multiple eggs are injected into the mother-not because she wants multiple babies, but because there's a huge chance most of those eggs won't survive. And the extra eggs are not thrown out-they're kept in storage in case the mother wants more children.
I can understand people wanting a child being their own-maybe it's selfish, yes, but it's understandable. Not to mention you do take a risk when you adopt children. You don't always know their genetics and they could wind up with diseases that you would have never seen coming.
There are actually a lot of people in my family who have adopted kids. Two pairs of aunts and uncles on the other side of my family adopted-and one of them adopted two kids from the middle east. It's funny what people must think when they see these two Middle Eastern kids with their new yorker type personalities. My grandmother, who I'm living with, adopted one of my uncles when he was nine. He was a very sick kid and she went through all manners of hell trying to take care of him with the little money she had (my grandmother's practically a Saint). Anyway I'm babbling, but the point is that I see my adopted cousins and my "test tube" cousin the same way. They're all my cousins equally and I love them all the same. And I've always seen my adopted uncle as just "Uncle Allen". I've never cared where he came from originally-he's my favorite uncle in fact.

Okay, I need to stop babbling now lol. Not really sure if there's a point in there somewhere. I finally got #4 in the mail today-hooray! I'll probably be back later today or tomorrow to write a review.
Purplegoldfish - [skydragonn at aol dot com]
"Whoa, Tiny, you mean there's more than one of you?" "My name is not Tiny! I am Goliath!" - Elisa and Tiny
posted @ Wed, May 23, 2007 2:14:59 pm EDT from 152.163.101.9

Goliath/Elisa having a child. I rather see them adopt. I just don't see either of them trying to have a child unnaturally. And I totally agree with Matt. What is even more annoying than people who spend $100s of $1000s to conceive a LITTER of children, are those who then ask for help once they have that litter. Remember the McCoy family that Oprah helped to get them a new home, cars, a bunch of washer/dryers? Scre them. They wanted to pretend they were a freaking pack of dogs and have a litter of children, they are STUCK with them. Why not help the single moms and dads? Or the struggling families? F*** this spending money to have a litter.

And onto bigger and brighter things :P

I entered two of my videos into the contest for this years Gathering.

Gargoyles Femme Fatales: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGlfT8HD2uA
and
Missing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpvKAbYnGEY

Wish me luck :D
Siren
Don't knock on Death's door. Ring his doorbell and run, he hates that.
posted @ Wed, May 23, 2007 12:19:11 pm EDT from 68.202.76.113

Sevarius & laundry - "Gasp" just think of the DNA samples he could get by doing people's laundry. Scary thought...also a gross one.
Wingless
posted @ Wed, May 23, 2007 11:50:25 am EDT from 74.115.187.62

I'm 100% with Matt. I hope Elisa and Goliath adopt, but I don't want to see them create some kind of half-human, half-gargoyle creature. What hope would *it* ever have of reproduction? How would it in anyway help the gargoyle species increase in number? We've already got Delilah.

And I agree, I wish people would adopt more. I'm sure it's a hastle to go through the paperwork, but thousands of children are living horrible lives in orphanages, abusive foster homes, and on the street. Meanwhile people go to fertility clinics, where maybe 99% of the embryos die or are thrown in the trash. I'd think a fertility clinic is no less of a hastle than adoption, and probably much more expensive.
Vaevictis Asmadi
posted @ Wed, May 23, 2007 11:44:51 am EDT from 209.162.56.40

Goliath & Elisa's kids> I'm definately on the no biological kids camp. I rather like the idea of the two of them adopting a child, either human, gargoyle, heck even something else, and raising it. Maybe even more than one. I think their love is strong enough and both have opened up enough that the option of raising a child not biologically related to either would matter. It'll probably be even easier for Goliath since its IMO very much in line with raising the clan's children would be. For Elisa, it'd be a chance to carry on the kind of family traits that she grew up with (I still love her line about her mother singing her to sleep as a child).
Asatira
posted @ Wed, May 23, 2007 11:15:34 am EDT from 66.168.218.251

Greg B is a unique person with his own opinions. I don't always like them, but I respect them and you know, he does make thw palce more livwely. Sometimes. :)

Jennifer "CrzyDemona" Anderson> Science and Sorcery? That would work. Then we'd have a big Purple female Gargoyle named Golisa or Eliath. :P *LOL at own silly joke*
Battle Beast - [wlukinuk at telus dot net]
That is all I will say.
posted @ Wed, May 23, 2007 10:39:57 am EDT from 142.59.132.201

Looks like Greg Weisman's going away for the holiday weekend. He's posted several days' worth of "This Day in Gargoyles History" in advance. To anyone who'll be traveling this weekend, be safe. (I won't be going anywhere except the movie theater to enjoy multiple viewings of Pirates 3!)
Phil - [p1anderson at go dot com]
posted @ Wed, May 23, 2007 10:25:04 am EDT from 134.215.196.82

Matt: <In my opinion, if you can't have a biological child and you want a child, that's great, go find one, they are all over the place.>

Dude, that line is unintentionally funny on so many levels. Rock on.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75 at gmail dot com]
"We now know that within every fifth boy-child in America is a system of strings and pulleys operated by a small dwarf. This dwarf is an employee of the International Communist League. Here is a simple test to see if your child is really a costumed dwarf: hit him in the head with a hammer."
posted @ Wed, May 23, 2007 7:17:09 am EDT from 71.62.204.109

I certainly wouldn't trust Sevarius with my laundry. The colors would probably come out of the wash out all wrong!

30 days left until The Gathering 2007 in Pigeon Forge, Tennessee!
Patrick - [<-- The Gathering 2007]
"You set me on a firmly laid and simple course, then removed the road." - Genesis, "Many Too Many"
posted @ Wed, May 23, 2007 6:59:13 am EDT from 67.38.247.176

You mean this place hasn't fallen apart yet? Damn, this place is hardcore flame-retardant, then.

Jennifer: Maybe Goliath and Elisa could ask for help from PETA? They're well-versed on inter-species marriages.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75 at gmail dot com]
"Living my life too much in the sun. Only until your will is done." -Dream Theater ("Pull Me Under")
posted @ Wed, May 23, 2007 6:37:00 am EDT from 71.62.204.109

This place is getting strange...

I for one hope Goliath and Elisa are never able to have children. If they raise a child together, I hope it is an adopted child. People who go to enormous lengths to have biological offspring when they are incapable of it (for whatever reason) annoy me. Yeah, lets go spend thousands of dollars on fertility drugs when there are millions of children in the world who are starving and many who could use a loving home.
In my opinion, if you can't have a biological child and you want a child, that's great, go find one, they are all over the place. Don't be selfish.
I understand there is an evolutionary imperative to procreate, but it still makes me upset at people.

Oh, and no one is going to make any points in this Room by spouting off about how much of an @$$hole Greg B is... we are already aware. Like I said, you just gotta get used to him. We all have our flaws, and Greg is no exception, but he has done a lot for the fandom and deep, DEEP down he is a good guy, I think. He wouldn't do anything intentionally to sabotage the GargWiki or drive away new fans.
Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age, between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!!!" -Macbeth, "City of Stone"
posted @ Wed, May 23, 2007 6:35:00 am EDT from 24.207.163.239

Jennifer "CrzyDemona" Anderson> Bishansky's an asshole?? WHO KNEW?! :P Next thing you know, they'll be calling me a cold-hearted, mean-spirited, harpy. ... oh, wait....

No one thinks that way about you. Heck, you and Greg B are the heart of the comment room, the glue that holds it together.
Antiyonder - [antiyonder at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Wed, May 23, 2007 2:53:17 am EDT from 71.115.220.249

Bishansky's an asshole?? WHO KNEW?! :P Next thing you know, they'll be calling me a cold-hearted, mean-spirited, harpy. ... oh, wait....

ANYWAY!

Elisa and Goliath have a few options to have biological children of their own. Magical AND scientific options. The problem would be that I doubt they would TRUST anyone who would have the skills to do such a thing. Seriously, would you trust Puck or Sevarius with your kids?? Heck, would you trust them with your LAUNDRY???
Jennifer "CrzyDemona" Anderson
"Should I start with the part where you're stranded in the middle of nowhere or the part where you have no clothes? " Inara, "Firefly"
posted @ Wed, May 23, 2007 1:33:28 am EDT from 75.84.186.185

I'm a huge Main Page fan myself. Then I usually hit up Timeline or Comic Book Guide from there. On a side note, I like the new Greg's Rambles option on the side menu. And on another side note, I've been reading a lot on Samson and 2198.

Speaking on the Wiki again, I wish there was a link to get back to www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg from http://gargoyles.dracandros.com/. But I see that it is a related website, and not part of station 8.
TiniTinyTony - [tinitinytony at hotmail dot com]
"My strength has never depended on brute force, but on true friends. - Goliath
posted @ Tue, May 22, 2007 11:35:00 pm EDT from 71.181.147.188

Demon@> I wasn't sure if English was Lovenly's first language or not, and I asked before I critisized spelling and grammar. It was not to be mean, I just wanted to know what the situation was. That's all.

On another note, and hopefully it'll be something to discuss. I was going through the most popular page listing on the GargWiki, and here's the Top Ten.

1. Main Page (15,870 views)
2. Timeline (3,353 views)
3. Demona (2,968 views)
4. Goliath (2,159 views)
5. Angela (1,858 views)
6. Episode Guide (1,746 views)
7. Brooklyn (1,733 views)
8. Delilah (1,670 views)
9. Gargoyle (1,658 views)
10. Thailog (1,556 views)

Some of these results were expected, some not. Obviously the Main Page would get the most hits. The Timeline has risen in prominence quite a bit lately. Demona is arguably the most popular character in the series. Goliath, Brooklyn and Angela being on the Top Ten doesn't surprise me.

I am surprised by Thailog and Delilah's presense in the Top Ten, over characters like Xanatos, Elisa, Lexington and others. Delilah even more than Thailog, since she had maybe two minutes of screentime, and is only now, eleven years later getting any real character development.

Interesting
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The 11th Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"All he needs is a whack upside the head." - Tony Soprano
posted @ Tue, May 22, 2007 10:40:45 pm EDT from 67.87.175.245

GB sounds kind of arrogante to me some times...and sometimes kind of rude, just as he sounded with former anonymus about his first language. If english is not his first language then what?
But i think Former-Gargoyles Fan is only a poor looser that has nothing better to do than molest others. So, get a life, you boludo, and insult people using your own name.
Demon@
posted @ Tue, May 22, 2007 10:20:35 pm EDT from 201.235.211.237

Greg Bishansky> Al's Friend> I took a look and I am sort of agree ing with you guys now.

Vaevictis Asmadi> I have a wqeb site that I can host your pics on so others can view them We won't be able to use them, but... they won't go to waste... we can still enjoy your hard work. If you want to eamil me, go right a head!

Shara> You said it. It sounds like whats his names who was bothering us a littlw while ago.
Battle Beast - [wlukinuk at telus dot net]
That is all I will say.
posted @ Tue, May 22, 2007 9:15:19 pm EDT from 142.59.132.201

All right, getting to those reviews. Though because I want to sound more professional, I'm writing my internet junk in that sort of style, which might look out of place here. And they're a little long, so to avoid scrolling, here are links to my lj posts.

Gargoyles #3 review link -- http://incisivis.livejournal.com/231272.html#cutid1

Gargoyles #4 review link -- http://incisivis.livejournal.com/231642.html#cutid1

I'll probably alter these a bit and send them to Ask Greg
Incisivis - [incisivis at hotmail dot com]
"No live organism can continue for long to exist sanely under conditions of absolute reality; even larks and katydids are supposed, by some, to dream" -- Shirley Jackson
posted @ Tue, May 22, 2007 9:03:54 pm EDT from 216.36.154.204

Patrick>I Agree I mean i think babys are sometimes made to prove something, when sometimes some couples are fine without them. It's when they have them that the destruction occurs ;-P

Oh lord another idiot in the room. There should be laws agienst people like that.
Shara
posted @ Tue, May 22, 2007 9:02:20 pm EDT from 4.245.119.118

A fan of the former Gargoyles? I didn't know they had changed their names. What are they calling themselves now? And are they still playing in St. Louis?
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75 at gmail dot com]
"Kids suck." -Mama Fratelli ("The Goonies")
posted @ Tue, May 22, 2007 8:40:54 pm EDT from 71.62.204.109

That\'s one heck of a story... maybe GW should use it for one of his issues.

If we didn\'t know Greg is an arrogant and rude jerk, we would almost believe you. Couldn\'t care less. You guys give this fandom a bad name. Get off your high horse. Gargoyles is so last millennium. Just let it go and move on!
Former-Gargoyles Fan
posted @ Tue, May 22, 2007 8:37:06 pm EDT from 67.159.44.155

Patrick: I agree. And besides, I once heard a wise man say that love is biochemically no different than eating large quantities of chocolate.

Hmmm.. well, as long as people are already feeding trolls.

*takes his garbage bag out, cuts a hole in it, and leaves it in the middle of the CR*

I threw a bunch of raw chicken wrappers and broken eggshells out this morning. Maybe he'll catch salmonella, save us all a lot of work.

Here, trolly, trolly, trolly. Supper's ready...
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75 at gmail dot com]
"Kids suck." -Mama Fratelli ("The Goonies")
posted @ Tue, May 22, 2007 8:26:27 pm EDT from 71.62.204.109

The flames are rising now. Perhaps someone should nip this in the bud before the CR burns up.

I blame Harry Potter for the way people keep suggesting magic as a quick fix to G and E's relationship troubles.
Vinnie - [tpeano29 at hotmail dot com]
It's silly. It's a silly movie. There just isn't much there. Once you take it all apart, there's not much story, is there?- George Lucas on Spider-Man 3
posted @ Tue, May 22, 2007 8:19:34 pm EDT from 69.54.209.38

Had to come here and set a few things straight.

The reason we're banned on Wikipedia is because somebody put great effort into making our site look like spammers. How? By posting links to our site repeatedly in place of all other links to Gargoyles resources on Gargoyles-related Wikipedia entries. The result was that our site was blacklisted. Greg Bishansky's "arrogance" has nothing to do with it.

For that matter, Greg Bishansky isn't driving people "away from GargWiki every day." He has driven one person away, who, we suspect, came back and attempted to ruin his reputation by masquerading as Bishansky on our site and another Gargoyles wiki. While pretending to be Bishansky, he engaged in various disruptive behavior on both wikis. We also speculate that individual is responsible for the spamming that got us blacklisted on Wikipedia.
JEB - [JEB215AlphaZed at aol dot com]
posted @ Tue, May 22, 2007 8:19:11 pm EDT from 24.35.41.189

Why do so many people think a couple needs to have a child to prove their love for each other to the world? And since when does Wikipedia have a blacklist?

31 days left until The Gathering 2007 in Pigeon Forge, Tennessee!
Patrick - [<-- The Gathering 2007]
"I'd rather be you than me, up there looking down, tell me what do you see?" - Genesis
posted @ Tue, May 22, 2007 7:54:26 pm EDT from 67.38.247.176

Hey DK2

We all know Greg B is an asshole. He thinks because he has Greg W personal e-mail, he's the king of Gargoyles fandom. He also thinks that it compensates for the fact he's a virgin dork. Greg B's rudeness and belligerence drives people away from GargWiki every day &#8213; and possibly from the fandom itself. His arrogance already got his site blacklisted on wikipedia, so like people say, what goes around comes around...
Former-Gargoyles Fan
posted @ Tue, May 22, 2007 7:35:34 pm EDT from 72.232.50.146

Al's Friend in the Labyrinth> Yeah, now that I took another few looks at her, she doesn't look nearly as much like Elisa as I thought. Hopefully we'll find out in #5 what she has to say (without getting cut off all the time!).

G & E having a child> You know, I have this vague recollection of G & E having a child named Iona, and her falling in love with Alex Xanatos … but I couldn't find anything about them in the Ask Greg archives, so it's probably from a fanfic I never read (all I remember is a screenshot of Elisa and Xanatos, doctored up to look like "Iona and Alex.") Anybody happen to remember what those characters are from?

And even though Greg considers adoption a very real possibility for G & E, I would much rather see them have a biological child somehow, through science or through sorcery. I guess I'm just sappy that way - I want them to have a child that *looks* like a combination of them, *acts* like a combination of them … *is* a combination of them. :) But I suppose, if they did adopt, the child would be a combination of their influence and parenting, which is the most important thing anyway. I rather like Christine Morgan's solution, Amber Maza. (What an amazing character! She's one of my favorites in that fanfic universe.)
ArkansasMezzo
-- "I'll think of something to put here."
posted @ Tue, May 22, 2007 6:12:09 pm EDT from 206.255.77.227

Shara> I'll see you in Chicago in '08 then. :)
KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra_582 at hotmail dot com]
'Ignore Me!' - Venture Bros.
posted @ Tue, May 22, 2007 5:45:38 pm EDT from 69.95.196.114

KingCobra_582 *pouts* :( We had to sell our house long story but to make things short the gathering will be taking place while im moving into an apartment. I will miss you guys, but It will make next year even better. :)
Shara
posted @ Tue, May 22, 2007 4:50:10 pm EDT from 4.245.119.118

Lovenly> A bit late for saying this, but... welcome. :)

Shara> You're not coming?! Why not? Damn.
KingCobra_582 - [KingCobraUnderscore 582 at hotmail dot com]
'Ignore Me!' - Venture Bros.
posted @ Tue, May 22, 2007 4:44:16 pm EDT from 69.95.196.114

AVATARS: Rather than add new avatars I'm interested in taking caps from the DVDs and updating existing avatars with better looking (no grainy texture, sharp detail, vibrant color) versions. I'd also like to standardize the size of avatars. Once that's done I'll consider new avatars, although I'm weary about adding multiple variations of a character (happy demona, sad demona, angry demona, surly demona, sultry demona, etc..). At least not until maintenance of avatars becomes much more simplified on my end of things and some form of preview function is added to the add comment page.

Now of course you didn't know what my plans were, Vaevictis Asmadi, when you offered to create a couple avatars. I didn't figure you'd spend as much time as you did on creating them. I understand you put a lot of time into them and I'm sorry I'm not using more of your avatars.
Gorebash
posted @ Tue, May 22, 2007 2:18:28 pm EDT from 207.206.247.245

Hey all. I am sad as I can't go to the gathering this year :( but I am looking forward to next years. Take lots of pictures people ;-P

Just wanted you to know the webcomic is still around. I had to sell my house and move so things got a bit on the back burner but we are still working on future issues. Will have more stuff up next month.

heres a preview of one of the pages they are working on to continue ellens silver bullets story.

http://www.ka-blamo.com/gargs/pencils/SilverBullets2Page04.jpg
Shara
posted @ Tue, May 22, 2007 12:29:42 pm EDT from 4.245.119.118

Brook> I believe Philibert Aspairt was in possession of the Praying Gargoyle.

Vaevictis Asmadi> I'm sorry to hear that. I was looking forward to more avatars.
TiniTinyTony - [tinitinytony at hotmail dot com]
"My strength has never depended on brute force, but on true friends. - Goliath
posted @ Tue, May 22, 2007 12:21:50 pm EDT from 71.181.147.188

Gorebash told me he won't add any more avatars, and he especially doesn't want any with black backgrounds, so the final 10 that I made will not be available.

:(
I feel sad. I worked hard on those. The Archmage one was a specific request from the CR.
Vaevictis Asmadi
posted @ Tue, May 22, 2007 12:13:39 pm EDT from 209.162.56.40

Lovenly-- ...How old are you?
Kythera of Anevern
"Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing." - R.E. Howard
posted @ Tue, May 22, 2007 11:21:11 am EDT from 76.170.207.129

Ergh, just a little question...

>>1804
Philibert Aspairt's body is found in the Paris catacombs, very close to an exit.<<

Ergh... I clearly missed something, but... who is Philibert Aspairt???

Cheers.
Brook
posted @ Tue, May 22, 2007 11:03:08 am EDT from 84.191.203.118

Lovenly> Puck is a trickster, not a genie. Even if he wanted to, he couldn't change Elisa or Goliath without teaching Alex a lesson. And, that's assuming he wanted to. As #4 demonstrated, just because the gargoyles are living at the castle does not make Owen their friend. And even then, you never ask a trickster because you never, ever know what exactly you're going to get.

As others have pointed out, who else is there? Demona obviously won't do it. How skilled in sorcery is Macbeth? He can't be more skilled than Demona, and we know her well enough to know if she had access to some "species switching" spell, she'd have used it on herself right after breaking Titania's Mirror... as in the next few seconds.

Nope, Goliath and Elisa's problems and relationship will progress naturally and realistically. Save the bad fanfic ideas for the realm of bad fanfic.

As Greg Weisman once said:

"Not being who you are, who you FUNDAMENTALLY are, even if it's for someone you love beyond measure, isn't ever, in my opinion, going to make ANYONE happy. Goliath can't be a human. Elisa can't be a gargoyle. Their love transcends species. But it doesn't transcend their identities. Those identities are part of what makes them who they are, part of what makes them lovable to each other.

So we're back to where we started. They can't have children by normal means, because neither is going (assuming they had the option) to switch species. So is it science or sorcery? You ask what if they wanted a child badly enough? But wanting a child badly doesn't mandate science or sorcery. The answer is obvious and much more human. Much more gargoylean too for that matter.

Basically, you're hypothetical doesn't fly in any direction, at least not without ignoring so much about what we know about the two characters that it renders any answer pointless.

Sorry."
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The 11th Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"Anyone who would want Goliath and Elisa to change species does not understand these characters." -Greg Weisman, Gathering 2003
posted @ Tue, May 22, 2007 10:19:31 am EDT from 67.87.175.245

"I am a young woman, if you don't mind! And I know that Goliath and Elisa are not 'magical', but they can ASK someone.*duh*"

And who would they ask? Puck? I'm sure Puck finds it far more interesting to watch them struggle with their inter-species relationship. Using magic to get them out of it would take away all the fun. And who else do they know who's a practicing sorcerer? Demona? Don't make me laugh. Macbeth? Maybe, but that's a stretch. I remember reading one (terrible) fanfiction in which Xanatos asks Puck to cast his Demona spell on Goliath, and do the reverse to Elisa, so that they'll both be gargoyles by night and humans by day. I can think of at least four problems with that, but the biggest one is that I don't think either of them are inclined to use magic to change their species, even temporarily. They fell in love as a human and a gargoyle. Elisa could change her form to a gargoyle, but she'd still be a human inside. Same with Goliath. For that reason, I don't think either one of them would want to do the species-change trick, because they know it'd be just that: a trick. Their intimacy problems run deeper than physical compatibility. The key to their relationship is that they have to admit that they love each other regardless of the fact that they're different species. Have them be able to switch species for the purpose of mating would delay that understanding without really changing anything that matters.

And welcome to the board, Lovenly! We're glad to have you here.

B&CF: "SLG> Wow! That's amazing that SLG's been around 20 years without paying their employees a living wage. I guess their company name is truly apropos."

Hey, I'm just telling you what they told me. I think the company understands that few who work for them are really going to work full-time over the long term. Artists and writers take on single jobs because they love the work, and they take them as they have time. Or, it's a stepping stone to employment with a larger company.
Jurgan - [jurgan6 at yahoo dot com]
"[George Bush] has created so many disasters, I'm not sure he knows which is which anymore. He walked into Walter Reed and said he wanted to have it ready for next year's Mardi Gras." -Bill Maher
posted @ Tue, May 22, 2007 6:21:18 am EDT from 68.58.232.2

Lovenly: Well, first off, are you saying that the clones are interesting, or that your opinions of them are interesting? And second, are you saying that Goliath and Elisa should use magic to replicate themselves? If you are, I'm afraid I fail to see how that relates to Thailog's clones. And also, I'm not quite sure how Goliath and Elisa would do that, anyway. Neither one of them are magic users, and the regular characters who are (namely Demona and Puck) either wouldn't help them or couldn't. Furthermore, why would they want that?
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75 at gmail dot com]
"In the beginning, the universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." -Douglas Adams
posted @ Tue, May 22, 2007 6:18:36 am EDT from 71.62.204.109

Woo . . . a lot of Cagney pics! But no worries, always great to see a new fan here (for the record, Lovenly's a fine name).

Labyrinth Girl: I'm also positive that she's of something other than Anglo-American. Not sure what, but hey, that's part of the mystery, isn't it?

Off Topic: Just saw the finale of "24" -- Can't say this was a great season, but I did come to enjoy it for the most part (mostly getting a kick out of things only a longtime fan would get.)
Phoenician - [<---My Kinda Useless Blog]
"The Suspense is Terrible . . . I Hope it Lasts" -- Willy Wonka
posted @ Tue, May 22, 2007 3:56:50 am EDT from 70.162.221.121

Thank you very much for that infomation. I'm sorry I'm so ...polite. I'm in the central time zone, so Isort of get lost with the time. And it is no problem that you got my sex wrong. With my real name people thpught I was a guy until I entered the room, or so.
Lovenly (lo-ven-ly)
How about this name for me? PLEASE answer! ;p
posted @ Tue, May 22, 2007 1:44:24 am EDT from 4.90.9.83

Sorry, I wasn't sure of your sex, my mistake.

And by the way, a new day starts at 12am, not 1am. You must be in a different time zone. As you can see the time stamps are printed with each post and happen to be in EDT (Eastern Daylight Time). And like Antiyonder said, the countdown is done Sunday night into Monday morning where the new posts Monday morning at 12am will start on a new page. By the way, you don't have to type pardon all the time, say your piece and be done with it.

Also, I recommend downloading Google toolbar. It has a built in spell checker so you can spell check before posting. I definitely recommend proofreading before posting as well.
TiniTinyTony - [tinitinytony at hotmail dot com]
"My strength has never depended on brute force, but on true friends. - Goliath
posted @ Tue, May 22, 2007 1:36:43 am EDT from 71.181.186.7

Never mind. I'm not thinking straight(pardon).
Sorry!
Lovenly (lo-ven-ly)
How about this name for me? PLEASE answer! ;p
posted @ Tue, May 22, 2007 1:15:31 am EDT from 4.90.9.83

I thought it was the beginning of Monday.
(you misspelled Monday)
Lovenly (lo-ven-ly)
How about this name for me? PLEASE answer! ;p
posted @ Tue, May 22, 2007 1:11:45 am EDT from 4.90.9.83

That's done at the beginning of Mnoday.
Antiyonder - [antiyonder at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Tue, May 22, 2007 1:08:04 am EDT from 71.115.220.249

I'm really sorry for those last few posts. I guess this time is differant from my time. Oh, well. On to other impotant things.
Lovenly (lo-ven-ly)
How about this name for me? PLEASE answer! ;p
posted @ Tue, May 22, 2007 1:07:03 am EDT from 4.90.9.83

FIRST FOR THE FIRST TIME !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lovenly (lo-ven-ly)
How about this name for me? PLEASE answer! ;p
posted @ Tue, May 22, 2007 1:04:50 am EDT from 4.90.9.83

10 minutes until tommorow(pardon). Who is going to get first?!
Lovenly
How about this name for me? Please answer!
posted @ Tue, May 22, 2007 12:59:45 am EDT from 4.90.9.83

TiniTiny Tony> I am a young woman, if you don't mind! And I know that Goliath and Elisa are not 'magical', but they can ASK someone.*duh*

Greg Bishansky> I may have some spelling errors (I will point out it out if I think I made mistakes by tpying 'pardon'), but I was actually one of the best writers back at my school, before I moved. I'm still very good, but I just want to write a book, instead.

Sorry for the lose(pardon) of temper.
Lovenly
How about this name for me? Please answer!
posted @ Tue, May 22, 2007 12:39:23 am EDT from 4.90.9.83

SLG> Wow! That's amazing that SLG's been around 20 years without paying their employees a living wage. I guess their company name is truly apropos.

I forget if someone listed all the sales figures, but does anyone know the latest sales figures for the first 3 issues? I apologize if this has already been posted before.

Looking through their entire catalog, the VAST majority of their titles are $2.95. I'll concede the extra 18.6% for the cost of the Disney licence. If what some people here claim--that Gargoyles is their bestselling title--is true, perhaps SLG is trying to subsidize their other titles with Gargoyles? Or maybe the 12% increase this soon is an attempt to see just how much we're willing to pay.
Blaqthourne & Crimson Fury
Music Selection: Hikaru Nishida - Shiawase no Katachi
posted @ Tue, May 22, 2007 12:06:04 am EDT from 63.20.10.252

I don't want to speak for Lovenly, but let me try to translate.

<Begin Lovenly Translation>
He has many interesting opinions concerning the clones, one of which is that he has had fill of them.

On a different topic, but in the same paragraph, he suggests that Elisa should find a spell that would turn her into a Gargoyle temporarily, or Goliath should find a spell that would turn him into a human temporarily, long enough for both of them to mate and either have Gargoyle babies, or human babies.
<End Lovenly Translation>

The problem Lovenly is that neither Elisa nor Goliath are magically inclined to cast spells on each other so that wouldn't work as simple at it may sound.

I think the clones are here to stay, at least for a while. Hopefully when they learn verbs and when they learn that they have free will, then we might see them on some interesting adventures. As Lex said once, they are kind of creepy, which they are, but hopefully once they become more familiar they will become less creepy.
TiniTinyTony - [tinitinytony at hotmail dot com]
"My strength has never depended on brute force, but on true friends. - Goliath
posted @ Mon, May 21, 2007 11:49:01 pm EDT from 71.181.186.7

LOVENLY> In that case, I think you should work on your spelling and your grammar. Some of your posts are difficult to read.
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The 11th Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"All he needs is a whack upside the head." - Tony Soprano
posted @ Mon, May 21, 2007 10:22:37 pm EDT from 67.87.175.245

Greg Bishansky> English is my one and only language to confirm my belonging to the United States of America.

Harvester of Eyes> Try what again? I didn't understand what you might have ment. Sorry.
Lovenly
How about this name for me? Please answer.
posted @ Mon, May 21, 2007 10:19:10 pm EDT from 4.90.9.83

Battle Beast> No doubt that Al's Friend is Goth. But, she's definitely not caucasian. She looks Indian or Middle Eastern to me. Maybe Hispanic.

Hopefully we'll find out what her name is in #5.
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The 11th Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"All he needs is a whack upside the head." - Tony Soprano
posted @ Mon, May 21, 2007 9:23:51 pm EDT from 67.87.175.245

Maybe she'll be taking up a career as a shoe shinning?
Antiyonder - [antiyonder at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Mon, May 21, 2007 9:14:18 pm EDT from 71.115.220.249

Myself, I don't think Al's Friend is Middle Eastern, but I do think she is a bit goth. I'll take another look tonight though.
Battle Beast - [Canada]
That is all I will say.
posted @ Mon, May 21, 2007 9:04:48 pm EDT from 142.59.132.201

Gorebash> Thanks. That makes a lot more sense now.

Labyrinth Girl does look a little like Elisa, but I'm with the majority that's she's of Middle Eastern decent.
TiniTinyTony - [tinitinytony at hotmail dot com]
"My strength has never depended on brute force, but on true friends. - Goliath
posted @ Mon, May 21, 2007 8:05:54 pm EDT from 71.181.186.7

The funny thing about advertising is you need good readership numbers to be able to get advertisers to pay big bucks for ads. Does SLG have ads in any of their comics, or are we discussing something that they would never even consider as an option? I remember the days when William Gaines was still alive and insistent on keeping MAD Magazine free of ads.

32 days left until The Gathering 2007 in Pigeon Forge, Tennessee!
Patrick - [<-- The Gathering 2007]
"I knew she had to be the girl for me, and to think I probably never would have found her if I hadn't bought that telescope." - Weird Al Yankovic, "Melanie"
posted @ Mon, May 21, 2007 8:01:55 pm EDT from 67.38.247.176

Tony: Othello, Desdemona, and Iago were never their official names. Those were just used in the scripts to tell them apart. In reality, they never had names as all gargoyles didn't have names back then.

Coldstone is named so by Demona. Coldsteel and Coldfire were most likely named so by Puck, although maybe that was Xanatos when the robots were being developed.
Gorebash
posted @ Mon, May 21, 2007 7:27:52 pm EDT from 71.243.2.74

***** #3 (and #4) Spoilers *****
Labryrinth Girl actually got cut off twice in #3, once when she about to say her name when the alarm went off for the first time and it was Goliath and Brooklyn, and the second time when she was going to seemingly share what was on her mind about something, maybe feeling guilty of the spy work she's doing, before the alarm went off the second time and it was Thailog.

***** End Spoilers *****

On a side note, I've been talking to my brother about the new Gargoyles and he thought Goliath's clone was Failog. And I explained to him that it's Goliath backwards.

QUESTION: Who named the souls inside Coldstone?
TiniTinyTony - [tinitinytony at hotmail dot com]
"My strength has never depended on brute force, but on true friends. - Goliath
posted @ Mon, May 21, 2007 6:44:55 pm EDT from 71.181.186.7

Al's Friend/Labyrinth Girl> She looks more like Talia al Ghul than Elisa Maza. Definitely Middle Eastern looking.
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The 11th Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"All he needs is a whack upside the head." - Tony Soprano
posted @ Mon, May 21, 2007 5:43:38 pm EDT from 67.87.175.245

There has to be something more to it. She looked like she was about to say something to Al right before Thailog came knocking.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75 at gmail dot com]
"I could bore you with a philosophical tirade about freedom and tyranny, or try and explain to you what new horizons are suddenly open to me, but I doubt you would understand and if you did it might frighten you. That amuses me." -Durandal
posted @ Mon, May 21, 2007 5:43:05 pm EDT from 71.62.204.109

I honestly don't see the Labyrinth Girl-Elisa connection. Labyrinth Girl strikes me as looking more Middle-Eastern or Turkish or Pakistani or something...
Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age, between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!!!" -Macbeth, "City of Stone"
posted @ Mon, May 21, 2007 5:41:30 pm EDT from 24.207.163.239

dph: should be fixed now.
Gorebash
posted @ Mon, May 21, 2007 5:40:22 pm EDT from 207.206.247.161

Been a long time since I've been in here - probably about nine or ten years.... (Boy do I feel old right now!) But I see a few familiar faces, and hopefully I can get acquainted with the ones I haven't yet met.

BLAISE - It's nice to see that some people still enter and exit with a flair. :)

SPOILER ALERT - COMIC #4 - So I got the new comic in the mail today, and was of course thrilled with Steph's beautiful coloring of the cover. A few things bugged me (like the flimsy cover and the fact that Morgan doesn't really look like Morgan without his police hat), but that all pales against the thrill of new canon material. But one thing I have to ask: did anyone else think that the dark-haired girl in the Labyrinth in #3 and #4 was Elisa in disguise? That's obviously not true, since in #4 we see both of them existing in the same time frame - Elisa as Jasmine at the party, and dark-haired girl still in the Labyrinth - but, if dark-haired girl is just some random homeless goth person, then why did she look so hopeful when the Labyrinth dwellers thought Goliath left something and was at the door again? (turning out to be Thailog)
END SPOILER ALERT

Good to be back. *disappears in a puff of purple smoke, knowing that she'll never be as cool as Blaise*

==>ArkansasMezzo (previously known as Kit Kat in the 90's)
ArkansasMezzo
posted @ Mon, May 21, 2007 5:35:22 pm EDT from 206.255.77.227

dph: i'll take a look either tonight or tomorrow about fixing the cookie issue. probably just a piece of code that, if it sees an empty field it ignores it rather than updating the cookies like it should.

spam in ag: don't sweat the spam. questions and such are approve or disapproved (and deleted) as they are processed. those bits will be deleted soon enough. the impact of spam on ask greg is very minimal and isn't something to worry about. whereas here in the cr it does have a bigger impact.
Gorebash
posted @ Mon, May 21, 2007 5:21:01 pm EDT from 207.206.247.161

Greg B: I minored in English. Perhaps that's why I'm even confused than you are right now.

Anonymous: I'm happy to discuss with you why I feel killing the clones is a waste, but first... could you try that just ONE more time?
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75 at gmail dot com]
"I could bore you with a philosophical tirade about freedom and tyranny, or try and explain to you what new horizons are suddenly open to me, but I doubt you would understand and if you did it might frighten you. That amuses me." -Durandal
posted @ Mon, May 21, 2007 5:14:22 pm EDT from 71.62.204.109

Test, just to see if I'm removed a certain cookie.

Vaevictis Asmadi - <Hmm, it looks like the Ask A Question function needs a code thingy to keep out the bots.> Honestly, I had wondered what kept spam bots out of Ask Greg. <(even though it's obviously their best title)> What makes you so sure that it's slg's best Disney comic title? The Haunted Mansion already has more issues out than gargoyles. If you go by the release schedule, it looks like gargoyles is in line to be slg's biggest Disney comic.

BC&F - <Their original price point was THAT much too low??> Their price per issue was probably figured on a higher level of sales so that the profit margin per comic book to meet minimum returns was lower. Lower sales means they need a higher profit margin per book sold to reach that minimum required rate of return.

On the other hand, I'm just as confused. If the comic is doing so well that they want to renew the license, why increase the cost of the comic book? Like somebody said, why not slip an extra half or full page of advertising in the comic to help offset the cost?
dph_of_rules
Whatever happenned to simplicity?
posted @ Mon, May 21, 2007 3:07:34 pm EDT from 216.96.23.250

DPH: If you're using Firefox, thats a feature called "Saved Forms". This is to make it easier for surfers as they won't have to repeatedly enter info into forms. If you want this to be cleared everytime, do the following:

Click Tools and select Options. Click the Privacy tab and where it says Private Data there should be a button called Settings. Click this and check the box next to "Saved Form Information" and click OK. Then make sure that the box next to "Always Clear every time you close Firefox" and click OK.
Vertigo1
"I can't believe how hard it is to blow up a room full of gasoline!" - Adam Savage (Mythbusters)
posted @ Mon, May 21, 2007 2:08:19 pm EDT from 67.128.254.73

Anonymous> Is English your first language? I am having trouble figuring out what you're trying to say.

Vertigo: Already know about that DVD and have pre-ordered it.
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The 11th Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"All he needs is a whack upside the head." - Tony Soprano
posted @ Mon, May 21, 2007 2:00:48 pm EDT from 67.87.175.245

Gorebash - I'm having trouble with a cookie in this cr that keep putting info in the website field when I haven't done so in a while and I'm a little frustrated with deleting it very time I post. Is there anything I can do besides deleting the cookies from this comment room to stop the web site field from being filled?

Todd - Do you have permission to delete spam from Ask Greg?
dph_of_rules
Whatever happenned to simplicity?
posted @ Mon, May 21, 2007 1:59:04 pm EDT from 216.96.23.250

Harvester of Eyes> Well...I have my own opinons about the clones and I must say they, to me, are 'intresting'. When I saw the episodes that had them in it, I had my fill of them. I just can't see why Goliath and Elisa find a temporary spell of some sort to have one in the others form and multiply. It's just that simple!
Anonymous
posted @ Mon, May 21, 2007 1:56:18 pm EDT from 216.177.178.194

Heh! I was browsing Amazon HOPING that #4 would be listed, and spotted this gem! I'm sure Greg B will be very happy to see new Babylon5 material. :)

http://www.amazon.com/Babylon-5-Tales-Bruce-Boxleitner/dp/B000PHX8RA/ref=pd_bbs_1/102-2637426-6800144?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1179769362&sr=8-1
Vertigo1
"I can't believe how hard it is to blow up a room full of gasoline!" - Adam Savage (Mythbusters)
posted @ Mon, May 21, 2007 1:44:26 pm EDT from 67.128.254.73

Incisvis: Just make sure you use spoiler tags in the CR so you don't ruin it for anyone who hasn't been lucky to get the #3 or #4 yet . . . .

But we always love to hear what fans think about the latest issues. Keeps conversation flowing . . . .
Phoenician - [<---My Kinda Useless Blog]
"The Suspense is Terrible . . . I Hope it Lasts" -- Willy Wonka
posted @ Mon, May 21, 2007 1:41:38 pm EDT from 70.162.221.121

Incisvis> THere is no statute of limitations on reviews. Post them both here, and in Ask Greg.
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The 11th Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"All he needs is a whack upside the head." - Tony Soprano
posted @ Mon, May 21, 2007 12:04:19 pm EDT from 67.87.175.245

Um, hi there.

I left this comment room a few weeks ago because Gargoyles #3 was late coming in at my comic store. After months of waiting and anger, during which I was sure that just *next week* it would be in so I shouldn't order it on-line, it wasn't there. But finally I got my hands on a copy, just after #4 came out, which I also have now.

I'm impressed with both issues. The statue of limitations on a review of #3 has probably expired, but I might post mine on #4, though both can be found at my LJ (click the name)
Incisivis - [incisivis at hotmail dot com]
"No live organism can continue for long to exist sanely under conditions of absolute reality; even larks and katydids are supposed, by some, to dream" -- Shirley Jackson
posted @ Mon, May 21, 2007 12:02:09 pm EDT from 216.36.154.204

Hmm, it looks like the Ask A Question function needs a code thingy to keep out the bots.


Greg B >> Possibly they just meant "We will never re-order them after they sell out."
Vaevictis Asmadi
posted @ Mon, May 21, 2007 11:35:18 am EDT from 209.162.56.40

Vaevictis> I e-mailed Comic Hole about that, and they told me they just got #4 in. Weird.

MATT> The funny thing about my e-mail full of so-called "expletives" is I only said the word "Hell" as in "What the hell is your problem" and the word "ass".

Personally, I call attempting to take it to private e-mail growth... for me anyway ;)

JEN> Thanks! :)
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The 11th Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"All he needs is a whack upside the head." - Tony Soprano
posted @ Mon, May 21, 2007 10:52:59 am EDT from 67.87.175.245

Jurgan, I think maybe CrzyDemona is bothered for the same reason I am, that after Dan Vado and Greg Weisman both said that the comic was doing well, they have every intention of renewing the contract, and Bad Guys is going farward, some other person suddenly says the opposite: it is selling horribly (even though it's obviously their best title), and they're about to cancel it any week now. For me at least, this is a bit of a surprise.

Kind of like Comic Hole, emailing me to say: "Yes, #3 sold out. These books don't sell well at all. We'll never buy them again." O.O ??
Vaevictis Asmadi
posted @ Mon, May 21, 2007 10:32:23 am EDT from 209.162.56.40

DK2> "If I posted your email on this comment room then everyone would see the person you really are."

-We already know the kind of person Greg B is. You just gotta get used to him, lol. : )
Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age, between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!!!" -Macbeth, "City of Stone"
posted @ Mon, May 21, 2007 7:36:59 am EDT from 24.207.163.239

Eh, I'm stepping back from this one. That level of sarcasm is leagues above my own.

Anonymous: I think most people here would rather not have the clones dead. Greg's already shown after just two issues of new material that they're more interesting alive. Most things are, except perhaps for George Lucas.

And as for producing friends, I recommend some ground beef, toothpicks, pre-chewed gum, and a car battery.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75 at gmail dot com]
"I could bore you with a philosophical tirade about freedom and tyranny, or try and explain to you what new horizons are suddenly open to me, but I doubt you would understand and if you did it might frighten you. That amuses me." -Durandal
posted @ Mon, May 21, 2007 7:03:57 am EDT from 71.62.204.109

"Jurgan re: Ads> Let's see. Not counting the (same) ad for their other Disney titles that is on the back of the first three issues... #1: 0, #2: 0, #3: 0 (Obviously, I don't know about #4) So SLG's ad revenue for the first 3 issues would be, and I'm taking a WAG here, um, $0? So, if they have no revenue from ads, what relevence exactly does it have to the cost of the comic?"

Hmm. I did not notice that. Well, that just proves the point, I think: most big companies subsidize the cost of their comics with advertising. SLG, apparently, does not, so they have to charge a higher cover price.

"Or maybe the reason that he quit his day job is that SLG informed him that his job at SLG IS his only job and if he doesn't start working like it IS his only job that he shouldn't have to worry about the "low pay" for very much longer. I know the job I'm at is this way--if I have a second job and it makes my work here suffer, I'll be shown the door."

I'm not following you here. He could just as easily have quit his SLG job, and would probably have made more money that way. That's what most people would do, I'd think. The SLG people (I think I'm thinking of Dan Vado, but I'm not sure) at the last Gathering said that almost all of their employees have other jobs, and working there is something they do because they love the work, since it doesn't pay well enough for most people to live on. But Hedgecock quit his day job for Gargoyles, a step that Greg W. called "extraordinary." It seems clear that, if money were the most important thing to him, he'd have quit his SLG job. So he must have kept it because he really wants to work on Gargoyles.
Jurgan - [jurgan6 at yahoo dot com]
"[George Bush] has created so many disasters, I'm not sure he knows which is which anymore. He walked into Walter Reed and said he wanted to have it ready for next year's Mardi Gras." -Bill Maher
posted @ Mon, May 21, 2007 3:53:35 am EDT from 68.58.232.2

Hopefully I'll make the tour of comic book stores and find a couple issues of #4 in the next couple days. Speaking of comic book stores, do the ones in your area seem to all have cats in-store? If so, what's up with that?

Patrick> "The majority of comic books used to be printed on newsprint and at best they had a glossy paper cover similar in quality to the inside pages of a magazine."
The operative phrase in that sentence is "used to be". I think the beef is that the comic started with one standard and after three issues, the standard has dropped.

Hmm, $.45 increase (and cheaper materials, to boot). That's a 12.9% increase is the sale price. Their original price point was THAT much too low??

Jurgan re: Ads> Let's see. Not counting the (same) ad for their other Disney titles that is on the back of the first three issues... #1: 0, #2: 0, #3: 0 (Obviously, I don't know about #4) So SLG's ad revenue for the first 3 issues would be, and I'm taking a WAG here, um, $0? So, if they have no revenue from ads, what relevence exactly does it have to the cost of the comic?

"In the end, he quit his day job in order to be able to keep up with his commitments to the book. You can question Hedgecock's talent if you like, but no one can question his devotion."
Or maybe the reason that he quit his day job is that SLG informed him that his job at SLG IS his only job and if he doesn't start working like it IS his only job that he shouldn't have to worry about the "low pay" for very much longer. I know the job I'm at is this way--if I have a second job and it makes my work here suffer, I'll be shown the door.
Blaqthourne & Crimson Fury
Music Selection: Memories OST
posted @ Mon, May 21, 2007 3:37:25 am EDT from 63.20.26.89

"SLG seems hell bent to convince us that we are all a burden to them and Gargoyles is going to bankrupt their little company. How dare we complain about mediocre art and horrible color! They can't pay for REAL artists to work on this! de Guzman has gone so far as to tell us all to go to hell (in case you're wondering why there aren't any letters from fans at the back of the book, perhaps it's due to SLG's WONDERFUL PR skills). ... so don't expect them to stop threatening to cancel the book. They don't seem to be letting up on the drama any time soon."

Okay, I'm really not clear what you're talking about. When has de Guzman ever told the fans to "go to hell?" The only correspondence with her I've seen recently is the one Greg B. posted, which seemed entirely respectful. She said: "Obviously, we don't want to cancel the series just as its beginning new Gargoyles material, so we had to make this decision. We hope $0.45 per issue isn't too much of a burden for the individual consumer and retailers, but those cents will help us keep the comic going." What's so bad about that? Is there something else I don't know about? It sounds like she's being perfectly courteous. If it's the content of the message, I'd suggest you not shoot the messenger.

As for: "How dare we complain about mediocre art and horrible color! They can't pay for REAL artists to work on this!" You can complain as much as you like, but I don't get the comment about "REAL artists." Did you think they were going to hire Alex Ross or someone? Of course they're going to use an in-house artist. They are a small company and they can't afford to hire new people just for this. I know many of the fans here don't care for Hedgecock's art (for the record, I think he's decent but has problems staying on model, but those should improve over time), and they have every right to complain, but it's insane to think they'll hire a new artist just because some of the fans think one who is willing isn't up to their standards.

If de Guzman is getting letters with a tone like some of the comments in here, I wouldn't blame her getting frustrated with the fans. They're taking on a big project, and they're putting a lot into it. Gargoyles might be SLG's only color comic. It's had production issues all along, for who knows what reason. It came along with three other new comics. Yet they've been putting it out and advertising it a fair amount. It was a huge seller for them, yes, but I wonder what the profit margin actually is? I don't know that one. They seem to be standing by it, though. They could have just pulled the plug, but they're making changes so that it can keep going, they're releasing a spin-off of the series, and all indications are that Dan Vado is going to renew the contract for the book. If all Ms. de Guzman hears from fans is "why don't you get a better artist and stop ruining Gargoyles," I certainly wouldn't blame her for flying off the handle.

I don't mean to generalize with the preceding statement. I don't know exactly how everyone feels about all of this, but it seems like there's a lot of shooting the messenger going on. I think one of the hardest things to do in comics must be to preside over a property with rabid fans. I hope everyone's appreciative of the fact that SLG is putting a lot into the book. Yes, the end goal is to make a profit, but a lot of companies would give up as soon as difficulties arose. Whatever else one can say, they're sticking with it.

All that said, I do worry that the price increase will hurt their circulation, but they may not have a choice. I'm guessing the reason they have to charge more than Marvel or DC would for a comparable comic is because ads in an SLG comic don't sell for near as much as they would in a high-circulation book. It's what they've got to do to cover the cost. I know it won't make a difference for anyone in this room, but it could hurt casual buyers' interest. I wonder how many casual buyers of Gargoyles there are, though? I think as long as the price stays below $4, it shouldn't make a big difference. There's a psychological effect in play once you pass a dollar mark.

TTT: "Also, Greg W. asked me to be patient in refence to David Hedgecock getting better at drawing the Gargoyles comic. Well, how does he improve when we are having guest artists for a couple of issues? Wouldn't it make sense for him to improve as much as he can in the beginning so that later issues look better? What other pressing matter(s) does Hedgecock got going on that he can't put all his effort in the Gargoyles comic?"

Hedgecock had to skip a few issues and go directly to #7. He was having trouble keeping up with Gargoyles because he had a day job (SLG doesn't pay much), which caused him to fall behind on some of the earlier issues. That is the other "pressing matter" he had going on. In the end, he quit his day job in order to be able to keep up with his commitments to the book. You can question Hedgecock's talent if you like, but no one can question his devotion.
Jurgan - [jurgan6 at yahoo dot com]
"[George Bush] has created so many disasters, I'm not sure he knows which is which anymore. He walked into Walter Reed and said he wanted to have it ready for next year's Mardi Gras." -Bill Maher
posted @ Mon, May 21, 2007 2:47:09 am EDT from 68.58.232.2

*sighs* Sorry. I like the way the third season was, besides I don't like the way he wants the third season. Having a double Halloween date with Goliath and Delihla(pardon)! She was supposed to be dead!
Sorry. I sort of get tenpermental.
Anonymous
posted @ Mon, May 21, 2007 2:22:37 am EDT from 4.90.15.61

Sorry once again. Thank you for that glorious(pardon) information, Phoenician. I'll see what I'll use for my name. I never knew that there would be someone preasent. Thiscomment room is full of suprises, I presume.
Anonymous
posted @ Mon, May 21, 2007 2:14:15 am EDT from 4.90.15.61

I'm reaaly sorry about this double post.

Vaevictis Asmardi> I'm sorry. What I meant is that I would like to produce friends here, since I have a way of not making them. Please don'task why...
unless you really won't to know.
Anonymous
posted @ Mon, May 21, 2007 2:10:04 am EDT from 4.90.15.61

Anonymous:

Well, you shouldn't use your ACTUAL full name, but feel free to use something that reflects you in some way. (like myself as Phoenician, because I'm a native of Phoenix, AZ. Others choose their names in any number of ways.)

As for the Goliath Chronicles, yes that WAS a "third season" of Gargoyles, but its considered non-canon by creator Greg Weisman on the account that many events occured that weren't in the original Master Plan. Thus, with the new comic out, Greg is writing the "Third Season" as he would have done it.

Check out the FAQ for more info and details.

Blaise: Yeah, I don't know what's his problem as well. Maybe he was a cardstock fan . . . . ??
Phoenician - [<---My Kinda Useless Blog]
"The Suspense is Terrible . . . I Hope it Lasts" -- Willy Wonka
posted @ Mon, May 21, 2007 2:06:21 am EDT from 70.162.221.121

I thank you for your hospotality,
Battle Beast,
Vaevictis Asmadis, and
Harvester of Eyes.

But... uhhh... Battle Beast, you mustbe mistaken because I have season three of Gargoyles the Goliath Chronicles.

I'm not very sure which avatar to select. They are all mighty extravagant. And one more, are you all very certain that no one will...steal your name or see who you are with the name and might come after you?

I might be out of hand at times and tmes again.
Anonymous
posted @ Mon, May 21, 2007 1:54:54 am EDT from 4.90.15.61

****Blaise flies back in through the window.****

Crap, forgot to link my name.

Okay, there it is. I apologize for the double post.

****Blaise flies back out the window.****
Blaise
"Build a man a fire, keep him warm for a day. Set a man on fire, keep him warm for the rest of his life."--Terry Pratchett's "Jingo"
posted @ Mon, May 21, 2007 1:23:09 am EDT from 4.232.180.54

****Blaise flies in through the window. Well...he doesn't so much fly as plummet...sideways...into the wall. He stands up--ON the wall as though it were the floor--dusts himself off, and speaks to the Room.**** Hey all!

SILVER BULLET REVIEW FOR ISSUE #4> Well, the "Silver Bullet" website has put up their review for the 4th issue of the comic:

http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/reviews/11796105409607.htm
(Or click my name).

Is it just me, or is this guy being way too harsh? Also, I think, a bit unreasonable. Considering that this same guy read #3 (and wrote the review for it), he should know that the Mutates and the Clones were explained in THAT issue (leaving this issue free to just get on with it). He also doesn't seem to realize that the clones are the whole reason Thailog went to the Labyrinth in the first place (in other words, they're a MAJOR plot element). His biggest gripe, though, seems to be the development of the Goliath/Elisa relationship, which is ALSO a major plot element since that's why Thailog has to go to the castle for Delilah (and heaven forbid Greg Weisman has his characters deal with the full ramifications of their situation). I wonder if he just decided to give this issue a negative review because of that aspect alone. It's just a bit of a shock that this guy, who gave 5/5 to each of the first two issues, and 4/5 to the third, slammed this one with a 2/5.
Maybe he'll change his opinion when issue #5 comes out and he gets the entire story.

That was it--I just had to share this thing (mostly because a lot of his reasoning doesn't make any sense to me and was driving me crazy). Until next time, farewell. ****Blaise walks along the wall to a window and jumps out, falling sideways over the horizon.****
Blaise
"Build a man a fire, keep him warm for a day. Set a man on fire, keep him warm for the rest of his life."--Terry Pratchett's "Jingo"
posted @ Mon, May 21, 2007 1:20:58 am EDT from 4.232.180.54

tenth
oneuke
posted @ Mon, May 21, 2007 12:16:28 am EDT from 66.167.110.201

Ninth? O.o I've lost count.
Kythera of Anevern - [kythera (at) gmail dot com]
"Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing."
posted @ Mon, May 21, 2007 12:14:17 am EDT from 76.170.207.129

Eighth in the name of how I JUST ate some Banana Cream Pie!!

(Man cofnusing numbers again!!)
Phoenician - [<---My Kinda Useless Blog]
"The Suspense is Terrible . . . I Hope it Lasts" -- Willy Wonka
posted @ Mon, May 21, 2007 12:13:27 am EDT from 70.162.221.121

6th
Chameleongirl
Chameleon may change her spots, but she refuses to do plaid
posted @ Mon, May 21, 2007 12:10:59 am EDT from 202.87.162.31

***THIS DOESN'T COUNT AS A NUMBER because I already called "zeroeth".

Anyway, I just had a thought about Lex's mate. I'm assuming Greg W has said that he's someone we haven't met yet, but I highly doubt we'll know he's Lex's eventual mate when we do meet him. I mean, I guess it's been narrowed down a bit (not human nor gargoyle nor child of Oberon, right?) but still, I would expect this guy to be around for a while in a platonic sense for a while before any hint of romance appears. And I'm still not sure what the acceptable level of hinting at gay romance is in this format. The bottom line: it'll be a guessing game, even after we meet him.
Vid the Kid
Does this font make me look fat?
posted @ Mon, May 21, 2007 12:09:50 am EDT from 69.95.29.134

Or rather 6th!!
dph_of_rules
Whatever happenned to simplicity?
posted @ Mon, May 21, 2007 12:05:50 am EDT from 216.96.23.250

okay, fifth
Asatira
posted @ Mon, May 21, 2007 12:05:26 am EDT from 66.168.218.251

4th in the name of the number of the comic book released last month.
dph_of_rules
Whatever happenned to simplicity?
posted @ Mon, May 21, 2007 12:05:18 am EDT from 216.96.23.250

four
Asatira
posted @ Mon, May 21, 2007 12:05:08 am EDT from 66.168.218.251

Fourth!
Kaylle
posted @ Mon, May 21, 2007 12:04:56 am EDT from 66.31.44.143

D2K - The difference is... Greg B. posted the cover BUT when he was asked NOT to, he withdrew it and has honored that. He'll continue to honor that... and I'd bet that he asks permission for everything he posts from now on so he doesn't make the same mistake again.

You can't tell me you've never run across someone who avoids spoilers. It's not about blame, it's about being respectful of those who don't want to be exposed to the material before they have it in their hands. Leaks happen, screw ups occur, that doesn't mean they should and it doesn't mean you are entitled to the leak once it's been pulled. Nor should you propagate it after you've been asked nicely not to.

<<"Does any publisher can their bestselling book?">>

SLG seems hell bent to convince us that we are all a burden to them and Gargoyles is going to bankrupt their little company. How dare we complain about mediocre art and horrible color! They can't pay for REAL artists to work on this! de Guzman has gone so far as to tell us all to go to hell (in case you're wondering why there aren't any letters from fans at the back of the book, perhaps it's due to SLG's WONDERFUL PR skills). ... so don't expect them to stop threatening to cancel the book. They don't seem to be letting up on the drama any time soon.
Jennifer "CrzyDemona" Anderson
posted @ Mon, May 21, 2007 12:02:08 am EDT from 75.84.186.185

Twoness!
Jurgan - [jurgan6 at yahoo dot com]
"[George Bush] has created so many disasters, I'm not sure he knows which is which anymore. He walked into Walter Reed and said he wanted to have it ready for next year's Mardi Gras." -Bill Maher
posted @ Mon, May 21, 2007 12:01:44 am EDT from 68.58.232.2

1st in the name of reptiles!
KingCobra_582 - [KingCobraUnderscore 582 at hotmail dot com]
'Ignore Me!' - Venture Bros.
posted @ Mon, May 21, 2007 12:00:47 am EDT from 69.95.29.134