https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Czyi2w_WeFw

Anyone want to see a rant on The Goliath Chronicles.

watch?v=Czyi2w_WeFw
Vinnie - [thomaspeano at yahoo dot com]
Deplorable and loving it!
posted @ Sun, Sep 22, 2019 1:17:18 am EDT from 172.14.186.123

[SPOILER] The songs "Another World" and "The Rock" have also been mainstays in my longterm memory, though I will admit the former took me more than a moment to recall the name. [/SPOILER]
Phoenician
"The suspense is terrible, I hope it lasts" -- Willy Wonka
posted @ Sat, Sep 21, 2019 1:20:51 pm EDT from 68.231.126.227

So Weird -- I could definitely go on and on about my fond memories of the show, but given I last caught in reruns in the early Naughts, I suspect I won't have all the details down, lol. That said, I do recall my favorite moments from the first seasons including [SPOILER] the Halloween episode with Henry Winkler, the Medium episode, the Nautilus-portal episode, the Banshee episode, and of course those Bricriu eps. For the series as a whole, I remember the quip that Irene Bell was "surgically attached" to her cell, which is definitely more hilarious in hindsight. I also gotta hand it that despite the internet being a whole different nature in 1999, there was at least some synergy with Fi's website in-show and one fans could visit in real life. And as for Mackenzie's/Molly's music, "New Math", "Rebecca" are sincere delights for me that to this day have a lyric or two earworm its way back inside my head. [/SPOILER]

(funny to use Spoiler tags for a twenty-year-old show d:)
Phoenician
"The suspense is terrible, I hope it lasts" -- Willy Wonka
posted @ Sat, Sep 21, 2019 11:35:28 am EDT from 68.231.126.227

MASTERDRAMON - Thanks for filling me in on Bricriu's nature. (If I get the opportunity to see "So Weird", I should do so - though I don't know when I'll be able to gain access to Disney + - I'm not "tech-confident" enough to feel certain to handle a streaming service, for one thing.)

And, yes, from what you described, that third season does sound like a good analogy to the Goliath Chronicles - the chief difference being that it was the lead actor who left rather than the head of the production team.
Todd Jensen
posted @ Sat, Sep 21, 2019 8:59:45 am EDT from 68.231.65.221

*makes the "I Thought I was the Only One!" face at Phoenician*

"So Weird" was definitely one of my favorite shows growing up as a 90s kid, and one of the key works that turned me onto things like supernatural elements and urban fantasy in my fiction. While not perfect and definitely a product of its time (man, Fi, your website-designing skills are certainly...something), I do still think a lot of it holds up. And after numerous rewatches of the same terrible-quality VHS rips on YouTube and Dailymotion over the years, I'm super-stoked for the opportunity to at last watch it in a legal format.

At the same time, I've literally never met another person who's watched the show without me turning them onto it, soooo...this made my day. :)

To answer your question, Todd, the "So Weird" Bricriu is a key part of its (sadly, never completed) central myth arc so I'll put the explanation in spoiler tags: [SPOILER] He's a spunkie or will-o'-the-wisp who resides in Marfa, Texas (the cause of the urban legend of the "Marfa Lights") who is able to possess humans; as a nod to his Irish origin, the actor effects an Irish accent while possessed. He makes two key appearances (technically three, but the third season is a thoroughly TCG-style hatchet job that fans largely ignore...more details below): in the season 1 finale, he possesses the main character Fi's brother, Jack, while in a season 2 episode he possesses her mother, Molly.

At first he comes across as a mostly harmless trickster, but it gradually becomes clear he answers to far more powerful, and far more malevolent, forces. Fi banishes him the first time around in a classic "guess my true name" scenario (which she brute-forces using a computer program to "guess" every possible letter combination, easily one of the show's most awesome moments), while he leaves the second time voluntarily when his host is in mortal danger - but not before dropping loads of hints to Fi about the true nature of her father's "road accident." [/SPOILER]

Sadly, these plot threads - like basically all the other long-running ones - were dropped when lead actress Cara DeLizia decided to move on after the first two seasons. What followed was...well, TGC comparisons are really the most appropriate ones. Season 3 is a shell of itself in just about every respect, with weaker scripts, a far less interesting array of "weird" issues to deal with, and a new main character (Annie) whose own personal arc ended with such a lack of impact that the final episode was a frakkin' clip show.

It's a darn shame, because a lot of details have leaked out about how they planned to finish the show before Cara departed, and man would it have been cool. I've often thought the property would be ideal for a comic book revival (even if it'd be a shame to move the truly kick-ass music Mackenzie Phillips provided)...if only it possessed the sort of enduring popularity it clearly, unfortunately lacks.

Still, I enjoyed it greatly for what it was at the time, and my appreciation as largely only grown as I've revisited it time-to-time as a young adult. It's gonna be a real trip to finally be able to do so again, in visual quality that isn't donkey butts.

BTW, fun fact for the particular forum: four episodes (all of which would easily make my top 10 for the series as a whole) were written by none other than Jon Weisman. Yup, that Jon Weisman - younger bro of Greg, and namesake to Jon Canmore.
Masterdramon - [kmc12009 at mymail dot pomona dot edu]
"My function is to observe." - Yuki Nagato
posted @ Sat, Sep 21, 2019 1:03:49 am EDT from 76.173.134.25

'Sorry for the double post, but - it turns out that "The Black Cauldron" was on the list after all; it was in the "T" for "The" section.'

The only thing I know of that they've disowned is Song of the South, though they still use the cartoon characters at Splash Mountain.
Jurgan - [jurgan6 at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Fri, Sep 20, 2019 8:18:29 pm EDT from 174.28.59.13

I'd heard of "So Weird" but never watched it (I didn't have cable at the time). I looked it up after Phoenician's mention of the "what-could-have-been" third season, and was surprised to discover a character in it called Bricriu. (The name's borrowed from the legends about Cuchulain; Bricriu was a troublemaker at the royal court of Ulster, where Cuchulain served, who once caused a quarrel between Cuchulain and two other guys over who was the greatest warrior among them. It led to their first asking the neighboring Queen Medb to arbitrate - she told each one separately that he was the best, gave him a valuable cup as a token of it, with the instructions not to reveal this until all three were back at the king's hall in Ulster; you can guess where that went. It finally got resolved by the visit of a giant who challenged each warrior to a "beheading game" a la "Sir Gawain and the Green Knight"; Cuchulain was the only one who passed the test, and so was declared the greatest.)
Todd Jensen
posted @ Wed, Sep 18, 2019 11:54:29 pm EDT from 68.231.65.221

We've got not only the box cover but also the home release date for Young Justice season 3.

https://www.cbr.com/young-justice-outsiders-box-art-release-date/
Matthew
Insert Inspirational Quote Here:________
posted @ Wed, Sep 18, 2019 11:33:45 pm EDT from 64.85.228.21

Masterdramon -- Touché, man.

Because, wow. Just, wow -- So Weird. How did I not SEE that?!

It has been too long (and, from what I read a good decade-and-a-half ago, there goes another show with a what-could-have-been third season).
Phoenician
"The suspense is terrible, I hope it lasts" -- Willy Wonka
posted @ Wed, Sep 18, 2019 10:06:09 pm EDT from 68.231.126.227

Sorry for the double post, but - it turns out that "The Black Cauldron" was on the list after all; it was in the "T" for "The" section.
Todd Jensen
posted @ Wed, Sep 18, 2019 9:55:58 pm EDT from 68.231.65.221

Yes, definitely a long list. (Though I noticed that "The Black Cauldron" didn't make it onto the movies list. Apparently Disney still wants to forget it made that one.)
Todd Jensen
posted @ Wed, Sep 18, 2019 9:51:01 pm EDT from 68.231.65.221

Man, I wish I had the money to get a second streaming service because that is a heck of a list.
Matthew
Insert Inspirational Quote Here:________
posted @ Wed, Sep 18, 2019 1:35:13 pm EDT from 64.85.228.21

That's...certainly a heckuva list, right there.

Though I'm going to have to be a bad fan and note that "Gargoyles" is only the item I'm second most excited to revisit on the service. Because...

ZOMGSOWEIRDISACTUALLYLEGALLYAVAILABLETOVIEWINDECENTQUALITYFORTHEFIRSTTIMELITERALLYEVEEEEEEEER
Masterdramon - [kmc12009 at mymail dot pomona dot edu]
"My function is to observe." - Yuki Nagato
posted @ Wed, Sep 18, 2019 1:05:28 pm EDT from 76.173.134.25

. . . and we made the list! Truly, this is a very exciting moment with some really wonderful potential for Gargoyles.

https://attractionsmagazine.com/disney-plus-day-one-list/

On a completely unrelated note, I love that I'm gonna enjoy at my leisure Kim Possible in its entirety [SPOILER] legally, lol [/SPOILER] but the DCOM-nostalgia in me is really excited to see Don't Look Under the Bed d:
Phoenician
"The suspense is terrible, I hope it lasts" -- Willy Wonka
posted @ Tue, Sep 17, 2019 10:15:12 pm EDT from 68.231.126.227

Todd-Oberon is many things in the Gargoyles universe, subtle isn't one of them.
Matthew
Insert Inspirational Quote Here:________
posted @ Tue, Sep 17, 2019 1:05:38 am EDT from 73.158.223.17

All bigotry descends to similar places, and so the idea of "those people" killing our children is going to come up. Although this wouldn't make it into a kids' show, Castaway would probably also tell people that gargoyles "take advantage" of young virginal women.

One thing that I've only recently become aware of is that the blood libel idea is often tied to international conspiracies, and specifically the Illuminati. The book "Pawns in the Game" is all about how the Jewish Illuminati is secretly manipulating the entire world for their own twisted ends. It's ironic that Matt Bluestone is Jewish, when the real people who are obsessed with conspiracies, especially the Illuminati, are often raging antisemites. Look up the political cartoons of Ben Garrison if you want some truly despicable examples of this idea. Greg likes using secret societies as villains ("The Light" is basically just an English translation of "Illuminati"), and they make for good stories, but I've started to wonder what kind of influence these stories have on people. I'd like to think that people are smart enough to know the difference between fiction and reality, but then I think about literal murders that have been committed in response to the truly delusional QAnon conspiracy, and I just don't know.
Jurgan - [jurgan6 at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Mon, Sep 16, 2019 11:25:21 pm EDT from 174.28.59.13

MATTHEW - [Heck, the attempted abduction of Alexander in "The Gathering" plays a bit like a changeling tale.]

If with the difference that Oberon was trying to do so openly, without the usual subterfuge of "secretly switch it for a changeling". (It's possible that Titania had originally planned that ruse, but of course, Owen's alerting Xanatos not to leave her alone with Alex, followed by Oberon's arrival and the revelation of Anastasia's true identity, would have ruled that out.)
Todd Jensen
posted @ Mon, Sep 16, 2019 8:14:14 pm EDT from 68.231.65.221

The child snatching concept is an old one and a pretty universal one at that. All over the world there are myths, folktales and cautionary tales that involve the abduction of children in some form or another, usually by a non-human or fairy being. Heck, the attempted abduction of Alexander in "The Gathering" plays a bit like a changeling tale.

Considering the persecution of Jewish people throughout human history, it really doesn't surprise me that the child-snatching trope would be attributed to them at some point.
Matthew
Insert Inspirational Quote Here:________
posted @ Mon, Sep 16, 2019 6:13:47 pm EDT from 73.158.223.17

Brainiac - I am.

It's going to be tough to decide what to keep in terms of streaming. I already have Netflix, Hulu, Amazon Prime, and WWE Network.
Adam
posted @ Mon, Sep 16, 2019 4:07:53 pm EDT from 170.112.1.251

TODD> Well, Greg is Jewish so I'm sure he's no stranger to anti-Semitic tropes. And I can't help but imagine that plays into writing stories about an unjustly persecuted and maligned minority.
Algae
Time to make... my move.
posted @ Mon, Sep 16, 2019 4:06:25 pm EDT from 86.45.213.181

This website is really lame
Fart - [dora123 at gmail dot com]
fjkdasohgfia
posted @ Mon, Sep 16, 2019 2:07:56 pm EDT from 168.212.64.118

Perfect sixth, once again.

So who's already prepping for continuous-run streaming when Disney+ is available to them?
Brainiac - [OSUBrainiac at gmail dot com]
There is balance in all things. Live in symmetry with the world around you. If you must blow things up and steal from those around you, THAT'S WHAT RPGS ARE FOR!
posted @ Mon, Sep 16, 2019 11:21:09 am EDT from 165.225.38.206

Fifth.
Adam
posted @ Mon, Sep 16, 2019 11:16:49 am EDT from 170.112.1.251

Fourth.

Yesterday, I was watching the latest episode of "Shakespeare Uncovered" on PBS, this one on "The Merchant of Venice". While talking about Shylock, it mentioned the "Jewish blood-libel" (a myth that the Jews would kidnap Christian children and murder them), and I suddenly found myself wondering whether Castaway's suggestion to the crowd in "The Journey" that the gargoyles would kidnap their children might be almost a parallel (if not as fully developed).
Todd Jensen
posted @ Mon, Sep 16, 2019 8:49:51 am EDT from 68.231.65.221

Third.
Matt
posted @ Mon, Sep 16, 2019 7:29:22 am EDT from 97.85.187.228

You know I've neglected to give my thoughts on not only the finale, but on season 2 of Ducktales as a whole.
Matthew
Insert Inspirational Quote Here:________
posted @ Mon, Sep 16, 2019 5:35:16 am EDT from 73.158.223.17

FIRST!
Algae
posted @ Mon, Sep 16, 2019 3:07:17 am EDT from 86.45.213.181