Yeah... can't hurt to post it elsewhere though. :) I figured if people get something along with the information, it has much greater impact.

Oh, I just started this on imdb...

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0108783/board/nest/123531874
Brook
posted @ Sun, Nov 23, 2008 8:38:12 pm EST from 84.191.203.10

Brook> I know you mean well, but we're not the ones you need to spread the word to. Everyone in this CR knows what's going on. It's people who may not know that we have to spread the word to.
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The Thirteenth Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"A good story should provoke discussion, debate, argument...and the occasional bar fight." ~ J. Michael Straczynski
posted @ Sun, Nov 23, 2008 5:52:43 pm EST from 24.205.39.101

Oh. I skipped that it seems... well, can't hurt to bring it up again. :)
Brook
posted @ Sun, Nov 23, 2008 5:49:09 pm EST from 84.191.249.91

I have a good run right now. :)

Dear GARG WIKI GUYS,

I stumbled about this: "When "Possession" became a single story, the projected Tricksters episode was initially moved to Season Three, then drastically altered (once Greg Weisman left Gargoyles and the series became The Goliath Chronicles) into "Ransom", where Alex's abductor was a villainous mayoral candidate who was exploiting the gargoyle issue in the hopes of getting elected to office."

This is totally new info to me, and there is no current place on your site that collects the info on upcomming(shelved??) EPs after the end of CLAN BUILDING.

Probably it should be considered to create such a listing? Kind of "The Future S3 EPs"?

That would be lovely. :)
Brook
posted @ Sun, Nov 23, 2008 5:44:28 pm EST from 84.191.249.91

BROOK> Um, that has been mentioned before. That blog has been linked here several times.
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The Thirteenth Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"A good story should provoke discussion, debate, argument...and the occasional bar fight." ~ J. Michael Straczynski
posted @ Sun, Nov 23, 2008 5:27:20 pm EST from 24.205.39.101

THIS HAS NOT BEEN MENTIONED BEFORE!

http://gargoylescomic.blogspot.com/

As always, spread words etc.
Brook
posted @ Sun, Nov 23, 2008 5:13:14 pm EST from 84.191.249.91

I am wondering: did Greg ever comment on BROADWAYS Future Tense form??

I just skipped through the Garg Wiki entry to the episode, and realised, that every character in that EP got an entry - except for Broadway!!!!!!

I am quite startled by this, because (apart from Lex), he undergoes the biggest physical change. He is barely recognizable when you first see him!!
Brook
posted @ Sun, Nov 23, 2008 4:46:19 pm EST from 84.191.249.91

Does anyone know why Creature Comics isn't working? (or is it just me?)
Samuel - [AnglOfHellO at AOL dot com]
Noodles, anyone?
posted @ Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:45:21 am EST from 68.55.57.46

ROB - While only Greg can answer that question (and the "Ask Greg" queue will probably stay closed until the trade paperbacks are published), I don't think that the sieges from "The Lord of the Rings" had any great influence on the siege of Castle Wyvern. For one thing, neither Helm's Deep nor Minas Tirith was betrayed from within. The only similarities that I can see are the general features you'd expect from an attack on a castle or fortified place in pre-gunpowder times: the assailants trying to scale the walls or batter them down with siege engines, the defenders shooting arrows at them from the battlements, etc.
Todd Jensen
posted @ Sat, Nov 22, 2008 6:40:55 pm EST from 4.244.208.1

As someone who has an extremely strange name, I can attest that there is nothing wrong with a strange name. I mean, yes, you DO get teased a little in early elementary school, but in the end, the benefits, and overall coolness, of having a strange name, totally outweigh the consequences. "Rebel" is more than just a screen-name for me; that's my real first name. I wouldn't trade my weird name for anything in the world.

So yeah, don't feel sorry for that kid. He's going to love his name when he gets older. I know I did.
Rebel
posted @ Sat, Nov 22, 2008 3:47:54 pm EST from 216.45.251.210

I have a question regarding the influences of the series, most notably in Awakening. Needless to say, this is before Lord of the Rings came out, but I have to wonder, did you model the Wyvern Siege after the Battle of Helm's Deep or Seige of Minas Tirith from the novels? Answer'd be much appreciated
Robby Barrows - [rbgecko at yahoo dot com]
Robby Barrows
posted @ Sat, Nov 22, 2008 3:37:22 pm EST from 68.186.243.160

Or he'll use a nickname. There's a number of classmates and students who used either the middle name or a nickname for regular use. But yeah, he's a celebrity baby, that is not the worst name ever. It beats Apple.
Asatira
posted @ Sat, Nov 22, 2008 1:47:15 pm EST from 68.190.20.172

That kid is rich, he's going to be popular, no one will care about his name.
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The Thirteenth Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"A good story should provoke discussion, debate, argument...and the occasional bar fight." ~ J. Michael Straczynski
posted @ Sat, Nov 22, 2008 1:12:45 pm EST from 24.205.39.101

I'll feel sorry for a poor kid with a normal name. I won't waste my sorrow on a rich kid with a stupid name that was given to him by stupid rich parents.
Patrick - [<-- The Gathering 2009]
"A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men." - Willy Wonka
posted @ Sat, Nov 22, 2008 11:49:40 am EST from 70.239.2.254

Still, gotta feel sorry for the humiliation he will probably endure later in life. If I had been in those shoes, I'd seek a name change.
KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra582 at gmail dot com]
Grr. Arg.
posted @ Sat, Nov 22, 2008 11:08:38 am EST from 75.60.244.207

That kid's going to be in a private school with other celebrities' children who have names like Moon Unit or made-up symbols that were dreamed up by the parents while they were high on crack. He's going to fit right in.
Patrick - [<-- The Gathering 2009]
"A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men." - Willy Wonka
posted @ Sat, Nov 22, 2008 7:58:07 am EST from 70.239.2.254

As if the name wasn't strange-sounding enough on its own, his initials are BMW. *facepalm* That kid is going to be in for a world of teasing in school. I don't envy him at all.
Kerry (Kth) Boyd
posted @ Sat, Nov 22, 2008 2:00:05 am EST from 71.56.36.35

Wow... What a name...
The One Known As Mochi - [shogi dot keima dot 08 at gmail dot com]
Current Mood: (>**)> 8 hours of job training + an algebra/pre-calculus final exam = clinically brain dead
posted @ Sat, Nov 22, 2008 12:36:27 am EST from 72.220.176.47

"Bronx Mowgli Wentz." That's what it is.
Battle beast - [Canada]
That is all I will say.
posted @ Fri, Nov 21, 2008 11:21:46 pm EST from 75.156.183.68

Ashlee Simpson's New Baby boy is named... Bronx. Yup. Bronx Mowgli Wentyz. What a name!
Third! Woot!Battle beast - [Canada]
That is all I will say.
posted @ Fri, Nov 21, 2008 11:20:47 pm EST from 75.156.183.68

When it comes to the Illuminati, I kinda get the feeling that not only does the right hand not know what the left hand is doing, but that the right hand plays all of its fingers against each other as well. Sure Hacker seems to be the top-level manipulator regarding the gargoyles when he appears, but I wonder if anyone has told him that there's now a gargoyle Illuminatus.

And if only fingers had their own little appendages, I could probably extend the analogy further. Maybe even 36 times.
Supermorff
posted @ Fri, Nov 21, 2008 5:22:14 pm EST from 86.158.4.51

So I just discovered the new Hot Topic Gargoyles shirt comes in a 2XL flavor, but it's listed as a separate item on their web site. So if this has already been pointed out and I'm late to the game here, tough, I run this place. Sort of.

You can see all the Gargoyles t-shirts Hot Topic has via this clever URL I found:
http://search.hottopic.com/clothing/Gargoyles_Logo

Now go buy some. They make great holiday presents.
Gorebash
posted @ Fri, Nov 21, 2008 2:34:37 pm EST from 207.206.236.230

Maybe the Illuminati were really more interested in seeing what Matt would do if he had to choose between helping Goliath and infiltrating the Society. Though I think that even if Goliath wasn't the true target, even if the Illuminati were engaging in a misdirection tactic, Mace Malone believed that the goal was capturing and interrogating Goliath.

I still like the idea (which Greg revealed in his "Today in the Gargoyles Universe" feature) of the Illuminati initially approaching Jason to lead the Quarrymen and Jason refusing. It fits his tone of family pride, a tone of "The Canmores don't need any help to hunt those monsters. We can do this on our own, so go away!"
Todd Jensen
posted @ Fri, Nov 21, 2008 7:13:25 am EST from 4.244.213.31

Another thing to consider is that we don't know how long the Society had been planning the Quarrymen organization. By the time Jon Canmore came to them in October of 1996, they were ready to go, but they'd probably been spending some time manufacturing the hammers and uniforms, find a headquarters, things like that.

Maybe they were interested in observing what a gargoyle was capable of. This sounds a little too simple, though.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75 at gmail dot com]
"Eat lead, slackers!" -Strickland ("Back to the Future, Part II")
posted @ Fri, Nov 21, 2008 7:01:10 am EST from 76.27.174.85

Matt: Well, they apparently knew that the gargoyles in New York were involved with Xanatos, and while Xanatos clearly told the Illuminati of their existence, who knows how much he actually told them? Maybe they did want to know about their biology, but perhaps they thought they could dig up something on one of their newest members.

I just doubt Xanatos would ever reveal his entire hand to the society. He obviously likes to keep the Illuminati guessing, as seen in "The Journey" -- course, by "Invitation Only" they still sent him to DC. But I still imagine they must have some questions about the guy, such as how he came to possess his massive fortune after aquiring a couple coins delivered from the Society itself (assuming, of course, that they never read X's letters during the 1000+ years they were in the Society's possession).
Phoenician
"The Suspense is Terrible . . . I Hope it Lasts" -- Willy Wonka
posted @ Fri, Nov 21, 2008 4:24:52 am EST from 157.242.209.89

Matt >> Perhaps they wanted to do more research on how their stone sleep works and possibly see if they can relate information on the longevity of a gargoyles life span (in actual years, not gargoyle years) to their so called rejuvenation drugs...

Just a random thought to your random question... ;)
The One Known As Mochi - [shogi dot keima dot 08 at gmail dot com]
Current Mood: (>**)> 8 hours of job training + an algebra/pre-calculus final exam = clinically brain dead
posted @ Thu, Nov 20, 2008 11:58:05 pm EST from 67.101.237.11

Random questions that occurs to me after watching "Revelations": Why did the Illuminati want a gargoyle? What secrets did Mace Malone hope to pry from Goliath?
Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Except for Goliath we don't have names." "How do you tell each other apart?" "We look different." "But what do you call each other?" "Friend." -Lexington, Tom and Brooklyn, 'Awakening Part One'
posted @ Thu, Nov 20, 2008 11:36:57 pm EST from 70.230.147.119

Sign language is as effective as any spoken language, more effective with young children (infants) because the human body is capable gesturing/signing before it's capable of speaking. It makes sense that gargoyles would have used a kind of sign language accompanied by vocal/tonal inflection. Like, holding out a flat palm silently could mean "here", whereas holding out a flat palm and growling might mean "there." Or something. *mumble*
Samuel - [AnglOfHellO at AOL dot com]
Noodles, anyone?
posted @ Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:05:19 pm EST from 68.55.57.46

I wouldn't worry too much, Gore. it's a relatively common and normally fleeting phenomenon which I call "sentence amnesia." Sentence amnesia occurs when the writer is typing along happily and is suddenly distracted mid-sentence. This can be an obvious distraction, like the phone ringing or needing to check on what the dog is up to. Or it can be just a split-second wandering of the mind that the writer may not even really notice. Whatever the cause, the writer then sets about finishing the sentence without realizing that he or she does not recall the first part of the sentence quite correctly. The general intent still remains intact, but exactly what was written has been forgotten. In extreme cases, this can lead to total nonsequiters, but in most cases, it merely results in a sentence that contradicts itself or ends up saying the opposite of what the writer intended. For example, you probably started out the problem sentence intending to say that many people don't realize that the DVDs and the comics do exist. But by the end, you thought you had been trying to say that many people believe that the DVDs and comics don't exist.

As I said, this is a very common affliction. There is no foolproof vaccine, but judicious proofreading can usually reverse the problem before it reaches the eyes of others.
Demonskrye - [demonskrye(at)gmail(dot)com]
posted @ Thu, Nov 20, 2008 11:52:31 am EST from 146.115.115.33

Err.

It appears a "don" and a "t" and an apostrophe slipped into my previous comment. I fear it may be the first strike in a raid on my ability to type. Proper spelling, grammar, whole sentences are doomed!
Gorebash
posted @ Thu, Nov 20, 2008 11:08:36 am EST from 207.206.236.230

"My guess is that the early gargoyle gesture language would not have been universal. If you took a gargoyle and plunked him down in a clan he had never met before, it would likely take him a while to figure out what the native gargoyles were saying, even if they all used gestures to communicate."


Absolutely. Even amongst humans, who have all the tools in the world (internet, TV, books, etc.) to create and disseminate a universal sign language (or universal language, for that matter), it still doesn't happen. Because learning a new language is really hard, for one, and also because language and culture are intrinsically connected, and if you lose your language, you lose a part of your culture, and the main way in which your culture reinforces itself.

I imagine that gargoyle gestural languages would have been as variable as human languages are today.

Interestingly, it's quite possible that gargoyle gestural languages would incorporate more than just the hands...much of gargoyle communication might have utilized the tail or the wings. Granted, some gargoyles (like Lex) don't have the traditional wing design, and some (like Una) don't have tails that are particularly flexible or useful for communication.

However, I think that Lex's wing design probably originated in a few clans and that this trait, in olden times, wasn't likely to be present in all clans. Thus, those clans likely had a gestural language that gargoyles like Lex could still use. The same applies to clans that had gargoyles with tails like Una's or Coco's.
Rebel
posted @ Wed, Nov 19, 2008 9:30:17 pm EST from 76.165.32.248

The comic and DVD don't exist? I didn't know this, either. Wss I reading an extension of the matrix, then? ( ;
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75 at gmail dot com]
"Eat lead, slackers!" -Strickland ("Back to the Future, Part II")
posted @ Wed, Nov 19, 2008 8:03:00 pm EST from 76.27.174.85

Gorebash: Huh. Maybe someone should tell them...
lonerider26 - [<--That's my devArt gallery :)]
"The story is told--though who can say if it be true..." ~Shari
posted @ Wed, Nov 19, 2008 4:08:58 pm EST from 71.239.117.121

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html;?topicId=12891209618&sid=1

A thread on the Warcraft forums in which comparisons are made between Gargoyles and Death Knight Draenei. Yet more evidence that people love the show and just aren't aware that things like the comic and DVD don't exist.

I'd post to the thread except I'm sort of, kinda permanently banned from the forums. UNFAIRLY! mind you. I simply pointed out that the "lore master" of the franchise had a few... deficiencies when he came up with the whole space paladin storyline, completely retconning his older lore.
Gorebash
posted @ Wed, Nov 19, 2008 11:37:25 am EST from 207.206.236.230

Volpe de Fuego> Like Patrick said, I don't think such mini-updates would really be all that helpful since the situation could easily change and render the previous updates useless. For example, the con staff could have their choices narrowed down to three hotels, then discover that - due to varying circumstances - none of them are going to work out and the search has to start over again. Even if nothing that dramatic happened, updates on where the staff is in the selection process could give you a less than accurate idea of what the timeline is. I'm sure the hotel will be announced in plenty of time for convention goers to make arrangements. Better to let the con staff concentrate on that than on updating us on minor progress in the decision making process which could be rendered null and void by circumstances beyond their control.

Gargoyle Language> On a related note to the discussion we're having, I tend to think that a lot of the gargoyle way of thinking and communicating come out of them being a species that generally likes to stick to a relatively small territory. A gestural language makes a lot more sense if everyone you would want to communicate with is almost always going to be right nearby. Similarly, there's less need to give a name to someone if you can just as easily get their attention by pointing at them or tapping them on the shoulder. Hudson's arguments for why the river doesn't need a name are valid to a point, but I believe they also come out of the lifestyle Hudson was accustomed to. Prior to waking up in modern day Manhattan, Hudson probably expected to spend the vast majority of the rest of his days at Wyvern Hill and the surrounding area. It's entirely possible that he might never see more than one river in his lifetime. In modern times, he has access to a lot more information and probably more of a need to communicate information about particular things that may not be right there for him to point out.

My guess is that the early gargoyle gesture language would not have been universal. If you took a gargoyle and plunked him down in a clan he had never met before, it would likely take him a while to figure out what the native gargoyles were saying, even if they all used gestures to communicate.

Mind you, I don't think that early gargoyles were completely silent. I'm sure they had some number of vocalizations to communicates simple ideas when gesturing wasn't an option. I imagine they would at least be able to figure out that while no one can see a gargoyle trapped inside a blocked cave gesturing for help, they can certainly here her roar to let her clan know where she is. I just think that if the first gargoyles did communicate through gestures, vocalizations were strictly for locating clan members who were out of visual range or expressing very basic feelings.

I wonder if gargoyles ever had their own system of writing? If they did, I'd imagine it being very representational pictographs. It just doesn't seem like the gargoyle way of thinking about the world would lend itself to the creation of a series of very abstract representations of things. It's too much like naming, further divorcing the representation from the original. And if gargoyles never had their own spoken language, they would have no need to try to represent sounds with an alphabet.

On a somewhat related note, doesn anyone else think it's likely that some, if not most, of the Avalon Clan gargoyles speak with a Scottish accent? Considering who they were raised by, it seems to me that they would be more likely than not to pick up the Scottish accent as they learned to talk.
Demonskrye - [demonskrye(at)gmail(dot)com]
posted @ Wed, Nov 19, 2008 9:26:35 am EST from 146.115.115.33

Patrick>> I understand your point, but I for one would like to know how the progress is going; like how many hotel choices you're down to, how the discussion w/ the hotel folks are going, etc. Small stuff like that would be nice to be updated about so that we at least know where the Gathering staff is at. You wouldn't have to notify us of the exact location until you've all made a decision, but at least beforehand, we can know how the process is going. Also, a while ago, I sent an e-mail to registration@gatheringofthegargoyles.com asking if any help was needed with finding a place for next year's Gathering and I've also asked a couple of times how the process was going, but I didn't get a response so I just felt like my concern and offer to help was being pushed aside.

But I'm glad that the hotel is going to be revealed really soon >;) So thanks for that update, at least.
VoLpE de FuEgO - [sailorx78 at hotmail dot com]
posted @ Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:25:02 pm EST from 65.14.83.34

The con staff is working on it. When we finalize something, we will announce it immediately. There's not much else we can say because giving information that might change is not going to help anybody.
Patrick - [<-- The Gathering 2009]
"A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men." - Willy Wonka
posted @ Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:15:06 pm EST from 70.239.2.254

Volpe> Yeah, it would. But news will come. Just gotta be patient.
KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra582 at gmail dot com]
Grr. Arg.
posted @ Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:59:50 pm EST from 75.60.244.207

Yeah, you've got it. Another example along the lines you were mentioning is to simply say "morning". I don't know about you guys, but where I'm from, people often drop the "good" and just say "morning". The "good" part is implied or infer-able.

But, to a non-native speaker, it would probably sound as though we are just announcing the time of the day to each other. Heh.

Anyway, another reason I think it unlikely that gargoyles had REAL telepathy is that, I think telepathy would be too useful of an ability to lose. The way I see it, real telepathy would actually be a SUPERIOR form of communication than spoken speech. It doesn't make sense that gargoyles would have lost it over time (or maybe they didn't really lose it, and all gargoyles have the latent ability to communicate telepathically, they just don't know it...but that just sounds silly). I can see why gargoyles would have eventually moved away from using a gestural system. No offense to sign-language users, but it just seems like gestural systems of communication have a lot of limitations that spoken language doesn't have.

But telepathy? Come on. That would be the ultimate form of communication. I can't see why gargoyles would have lost it, if they ever had it. Even though gargoyles started interacting with humans, and thus HAD to learn a way to communicate with them, it just seems like they might have retained their telepathy for communicating with each other, at least.
Rebel
posted @ Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:54:05 pm EST from 76.165.38.151

KingCobra_582>> Thanks, I really hope so ^_^ I don't mean to be a pest about it or anything, but an update every once in a while would be nice.
VoLpE de FuEgO - [sailorx78 at hotmail dot com]
posted @ Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:40:53 pm EST from 65.14.83.34

Rebel> I like the idea of "telepathy without telepathy." And if we assume that the earliest gargoyles also lived in relatively small, close-knit clans, it's even more likely that they would be able to determine subtle meaning from gestures. A while back, my husband and I were at a store and we saw a small scale with a container affixed to the scale platform. I pointed it out to him, then cupped my hands in front of my chest and moved them forward in an arc. No one else would have any clue what that meant, but my husband immediately knew that I was saying "We could probably use that to weigh our pet hamster." Combine that sort of thing with a gargoyle's already heightened senses which were likely even better in the early days of the species and you've got a pretty good basis for a gestural language that could convey all sorts of nuances.

I was trying to think of an English language example of a word or phrase that might not mean the same thing to someone who was not raised speaking English. What I came up with was "Good night." There are any number of implied meanings, some depending on the situation: "Good bye." "Our conversation is ending now." "I don't expect to see you again before tomorrow morning." And so on. "Good morning" is ostensibly the same phrase for a different time of day, but it can also imply that a conversation is beginning and will continue. I might say "Good morning" to someone I pass randomly on the street, but I would never say "Good night" to a total stranger just by itself. Compare it also to "Nice night," which literally means about the same thing as "Good night," but would never be confused or interchanged by a native English speaker.

Am I getting the basic idea?
Demonskrye - [demonskrye(at)gmail(dot)com]
posted @ Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:37:21 pm EST from 146.115.115.33

Volpe> I'm betting that info will be up soon.
KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra582 at gmail dot com]
Grr. Arg.
posted @ Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:36:02 pm EST from 75.60.244.207

Rebel>> Very nice description, buddy! But the only thing is that I think everyone's capable of that kind of telepathy though.
VoLpE de FuEgO - [sailorx78 at hotmail dot com]
posted @ Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:23:29 pm EST from 65.14.83.34

Personally, I'd like to know the status of the hotel/location accomodations for next year's Gathering so I can buy my tickets and membership :p

Tony: Have fun on your date!
VoLpE de FuEgO - [sailorx78 at hotmail dot com]
posted @ Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:09:41 pm EST from 65.14.83.34

Greg hasn't rambled anything in exactly two months. I wonder what he's been up to. I wonder the status of the Gargoyles and Bad Guys TPBs. I wonder if my date on Friday is going to be awesome. Wait, I know that answer -- YES.
The Gargoyles Pulse
~ Tony Tini
posted @ Tue, Nov 18, 2008 2:37:37 pm EST from 159.240.11.254

Well, they could have a sort of "telepathy" without really having telepathy. What I mean is, they could know what each other means without anyone actually saying (or gesturing) the meaning.

For example, if I am in your house and I said the following:

"Brrrr, it's cold in here."

What would you probably do? You'd probably offer to adjust the thermostat or give me a blanket. However, AT NO POINT in my statement did I say you should do either of those things...you just knew. I think that when there is an implied meaning in a statement like that, it is called an "implicature". The study of such things is called, I believe, "pragmatics". I'm not really sure though...I'm not an expert on linguistics, I'm just really well-informed on one particular area of linguistics.

Most of you probably don't do this on a regular basis, but it's a really fun exercise to just go around for a whole day and observe how the literal meanings of what people say often differs so radically from what they actually mean, as in the above example. Alternatively, there are times when people don't say anything at all, but it is implied. Like this example:

"He kicked down the door."

Now you know that he kicked down the door, because I told you so. But chances are, you ALSO know that he is now inside the building (or perhaps, if he was trapped inside, he is now outside). Yet, I didn't tell you this. You inferred it. Thus, I don't have to specify that he went into (or out of) the building, you just KNOW it.

When you learn a language, you don't merely learn its words and their meanings, you learn a whole host of other information that we don't fully understand yet. And the fact that speakers of the same language can (and frequently do) use implicatures to communicate shows that we all share something even more deep than just the mere meanings of words.

I think if gargoyles once used a gestural language, it's quite likely that their language was full of implicatures...thus, they wouldn't actually be telepathic, but from an outside observer's point of view, it might SEEM that way, because they would share a sort of "inner mental world", where meanings aren't always literal, and implied meanings can be derived from gestures that wouldn't seem obvious unless you used that language natively.
Rebel
posted @ Tue, Nov 18, 2008 11:35:16 am EST from 76.165.32.219

Tony>> Thanks a lot, dude :D Much appreciated! LoL @ Thom's reels; funny stuff!

"...and I WANT some crowd control!"
"Matt's Supply Warehouse - numbers are your friends."
"I am Yamazaki, and I am Class King of the 6th grade Yamazaki Kingdom!!"
"My name is ballsack and this guy over here is bushkin..."
"Look, the Red-Yellow Pages wouldn't hire me because I have a sketchy driving record and a horrible sense of direction - BIG DEAL!"

LoL XD It bothers me that they mispelled the name "Lexington" on his bio though >_< I e-mailed them and notified them of the typo; "Lexingong" sounds like a weird food dish or Pokemon ^^;
VoLpE de FuEgO - [sailorx78 at hotmail dot com]
waaazzzaaa
posted @ Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:36:39 am EST from 75.74.224.252

VoLpE de FuEgO> http://www.sbvtalentagency.com/
The Gargoyles Pulse
~ Tony Tini
posted @ Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:09:27 pm EST from 70.15.84.29

Matt> That seems to be what Greg was thinking when he suggested that gargoyles may have never had their own spoken language and might have even been telepathic to some degree. It does seem like a possible way of taking the "things don't need names" idea as far as it can go.

Not all Scottish gargoyles were nameless in the 10th century. "Once Upon a Time There were Three Brothers" seems to suggest that the Wyvern Clan may have been one of a very few holdouts in keeping its members nameless. Malcolm asks Robbie what the clan leader's name is and is told that none of the Wyvern Clan gargoyles have them and that they're not like the Loch Ness and Scone Clans. This would seem to imply that at least these two clans have been using names. My guess is that the clans that have more close contact with humans were more likely to adopt names.

Greg wasn't sure if he liked the idea of gargoyles being mildly telepathic at one time when he came up with it and personally, I'm not a fan of it myself. I figure gargoyles already have one trait that has no counterpart in nature and adding in telepathy would be detrimental to their believability, in my opinion.
Demonskrye - [demonskrye(at)gmail(dot)com]
posted @ Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:26:11 pm EST from 146.115.115.33

Tony>> Wow, thanks so much!! This helps a ton :D Did you get the address from a web source or something, because I couldn't find it when I searched for it?
VoLpE de FuEgO - [sailorx78 at hotmail dot com]
posted @ Mon, Nov 17, 2008 8:08:13 pm EST from 65.14.83.34

VoLpE de FuEgO> Write him a letter and ask him or send him an un-birthday present.

Thom Adcox
Sutton-Barth & Vennari
145 South Fairfax Avenue
Los Angeles, CA 90036
The Gargoyles Pulse
~ Tony Tini
posted @ Mon, Nov 17, 2008 7:46:59 pm EST from 70.15.84.29

One thought to add to that. If gargoyles indeed once communicated soley on body language and such, I wonder if the lack of names is a relic of that. Beings that don't use words, don't use names. Instead they'd recognize each other based on sight, smell and the various relationships they have with each other, which of course is exactly what gargoyles do... or at least what they used to do.

One must note that the lack of names seems to be passing. In the 10th Century, it seems most gargoyles (in Scotland anyway) lacked names, but in 1996 it seems most gargoyles worldwide use names, some perhaps have used them for a long time. Perhaps gargoyle culture is being inundated by human culture. First they adopted the use of verbal language and then names. Whats next?
Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Except for Goliath we don't have names." "How do you tell each other apart?" "We look different." "But what do you call each other?" "Friend." -Lexington, Tom and Brooklyn, 'Awakening Part One'
posted @ Mon, Nov 17, 2008 7:07:10 pm EST from 70.237.137.54

Anonymous: What's so weird about it? ^^;
VoLpE de FuEgO - [sailorx78 at hotmail dot com]
posted @ Mon, Nov 17, 2008 7:05:30 pm EST from 65.14.83.34

Rebel> Congratulations! Iy must be great to have something that major pretty much done. The topic sounds quite interesting as well. Since we are in a "Gargoyles" comment room, I'm trying to think of a way it could be applied to "Gargoyles," but the issue of language was rendered pretty much null and void on the TV series due to the frequent travels through time and space (as in "different places on earth," not "outer space," the need for all of the characters to be able to understand one another in the space of a half-hour show, and the need for the audience to be able to quickly understand what the characters were saying. The comic affords a little more freedom in at least representing the idea of different languages, but since Greg doesn't actually speak Japanese (so far as I know), I kind of doubt that the fact that Yama, Sora, and Kai speak Japanese has much effect on their characters of their thinking as Greg writes them. So lets go to a hypothetical. If, as Greg once suggested (though never decided was fact) early gargoyles did not have their own spoken language and instead communicated through body language, gestures, and possibly even a form of telepathy, how might that effect the way the species as a whole thought?

Please feel free to ignore the question if it is in fact utterly ridiculous. I just find this concept very interesting and would like to know a bit more about it.
Demonskrye - [demonskrye(at)gmail(dot)com]
posted @ Mon, Nov 17, 2008 3:47:33 pm EST from 146.115.115.33

Thank you so much for responding, Sam; I really appreciate it. I hope I can find out what Thom's birthday is, too, and when I do, I'll let you know. I searched through the archives and while someone asked the same question, of course it wasn't really answered because they asked a few other questions in the same post so...yeah, that was a bust LoL
VoLpE de FuEgO - [sailorx78 at hotmail dot com]
posted @ Mon, Nov 17, 2008 3:38:25 pm EST from 65.14.83.34

Thom Adcox' Birthday: I don't know it, I've been looking for it to add to the wikis. So, if you find it, let me know, so I can update the wikis. :)
Samuel - [AnglOfHellO at AOL dot com]
Noodles, anyone?
posted @ Mon, Nov 17, 2008 3:19:25 pm EST from 68.55.57.46

Rebel >> 48 pages?! That's...a lot... (Apparently, I can't fathom the words necessary to describe how shocked I am...)

The only time I've ever written that many pages was when I did a Sonic the Hedgehog fan fiction that I never finished... (>O.o)>
The One Known As Mochi - [shogi dot keima dot 08 at gmail dot com]
Current Mood: Hot, dry weather = me feeling grumpy (>T.T)>
posted @ Mon, Nov 17, 2008 2:04:09 pm EST from 72.220.141.237

VoLpE de FuEgO that was the weirdest question i ever heard X-D
Anonymous
posted @ Mon, Nov 17, 2008 12:29:01 pm EST from 190.245.147.93

Well, I just pretty much finished my honors project. It's this 48 page paper on linguistic relativity, and MAN am I glad to have THAT off my back. I still have to make a table of contents and a title page and all, but the manuscript itself (including citations...yay!) is done.

My semester just got a whole lot easier.

Just fyi, linguistic relativity is the idea that your native language affects you cognitively. The way you think, basically.
Rebel
GOLIATH: I SHOULD SAY SOMETHING SHAKESPEAREAN NOW.
posted @ Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:20:10 am EST from 76.165.35.135

... 11th? :( lol
Ricky
posted @ Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:33:54 am EST from 70.19.93.212

10TH!!!

Just made it.
Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"There can be no us, Sora, until honor is restored." - Yama, 'The Lost'
posted @ Mon, Nov 17, 2008 6:53:59 am EST from 70.237.137.54

Ninth.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75 at gmail dot com]
"I never apologize, old man!" -Norman Osborn ("Spectacular Spider-Man")
posted @ Mon, Nov 17, 2008 6:25:32 am EST from 76.27.174.85

Eighth!(8th)
Vinnie - [tpeano29 at hotmail]
posted @ Mon, Nov 17, 2008 5:31:15 am EST from 69.54.209.21

7th
VickyUK - [vickyfanofwwe at aol dot com]
posted @ Mon, Nov 17, 2008 3:29:13 am EST from 64.12.117.134

Hi, room ^_^ I was just curious, does anyone happen to know Thom Adcox's birthday, please? I'd like to do something special for him. He's my favorite guest and such a sweet guy <3

Thanks!

~Jenn
VoLpE de FuEgO - [sailorx78 at hotmail dot com]
waaazzzaaa
posted @ Mon, Nov 17, 2008 1:38:03 am EST from 75.74.224.252

6th!
lonerider26 - [<--That's my devArt gallery :)]
"The story is told--though who can say if it be true..." ~Shari
posted @ Mon, Nov 17, 2008 1:26:18 am EST from 71.239.117.121

5th ^__^
VoLpE de FuEgO - [sailorx78 at hotmail dot com]
waaazzzaaa
posted @ Mon, Nov 17, 2008 1:15:28 am EST from 75.74.224.252

Fourth, hello new week.

And thanks to all of you who helped me with my Yama and Sora question a day or two ago. My story is now underway! If youre curious to read it, Ill let ya'll know when its done and share a link (though dont expect it any time soon; school is my master right now and Im also very good at procrastinating writing stories I write for fun! ^_^)
Litwolf
<Be happy for me and for all who fly free.> - Tobias of Animorphs
posted @ Mon, Nov 17, 2008 12:16:38 am EST from 192.146.226.148

Third! Woot!
Third! Woot!Battle beast - [Canada]
That is all I will say.
posted @ Mon, Nov 17, 2008 12:08:29 am EST from 75.152.229.223

Second!
Phoenician
"The Suspense is Terrible . . . I Hope it Lasts" -- Willy Wonka
posted @ Mon, Nov 17, 2008 12:02:04 am EST from 157.242.220.63

First!
Spen
"Ad-lib excitement."
posted @ Mon, Nov 17, 2008 12:00:52 am EST from 66.43.205.110