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since Cuchalin had a garg beast, is it safe to presume that there was once at least one garg clan in Ireland?
if so, what was this clans relationship to the feud between Cuchalin and the Banche if any? was the clan not involved, Cuchalin's allies, etc....
Yes, at one point there was an Irish garg clan. No more details are currently forthcoming.
are the English gargoyles the only gargoyles that resemble mammals? all the other clans we saw resembled medieval demons, not that they are demons or anything...
hmmm, i don't think your going to respond to the question in the way i intended, but i'm not sure i know how to rephrase it.
Your premise is faulty.
you said that Katherine, Tom and the Magus imitated gargoyle customs, which the Magus had knowledge of, when raising the eggs. what did they do to raise a hatchling in gargoyle fashion?
As much as they could and knew how to.
Greg,
I am sorry that you misunderstood me. Here was my first question...
Justin writes...
Quick question,
You have mentioned that not all of the currently existing clans have names. So by the time of The Journey, how many of the clans have names? ( Not including London, Manhattan, Labyrinth, Ishimura, Avalon and Guatemala.) And which ones?
To which you replied,
Greg responds...
Huh? I'm not sure what you mean by names?
1. The London Clan. London, England.
2. The Ishimura Clan. Ishimura, Japan.
3. The Mayan Clan. ChacIxChel, Guatemala.
4. The Korea Clan. Pukhan, Korea.
5. The Xanadu Clan. Xanadu, China.
6. The Loch Ness Clan. Loch Ness, Scotland.
7. The New Olympian Clan. Mount Thanatos, New Olympus.
8. The Avalon Clan. Oberon's Palace, Avalon.
9. The Manhattan Clan. New York, U.S.A.
10. The Labyrinth Clan. New York, U.S.A.
recorded on 03-02-01
When I asked about the names what I meant to ask was how many of use names other than the clans I have mentioned above.
Off the record I really enjoyed the information you gave though :)
Thanks again man!
Uh, you mean how many of the Gargoyles in those clans use names? I'm not answering that now.
What legends were the Korean clan based on?
What legends were the Xanadu clan based on?
What legends were the Loch Ness Clan based on?
It's not quite that straight forward.
And also, I don't want to tip my hand.
Who is going to the gargoyle leader of the labyrinth clan?
In what era?
Right now, Talon is the leader.
Why didn't we see the Loch Ness clan in Monsters?
I was saving it.
do the pendant wearing gargoyles in Guatemala have to sleep as a human does to rest their bodies or does the pendant's magic cover that too?
They have to rest periodically. Sometimes they nap as humans do. Sometimes they take off the pendants and sleep as stone. But the magic also helps compensate. SO ALL OF THE ABOVE, I guess.
i was wondering what your thoughts were on the fact that the English rid their lands of gargoyles before many other gargoyle/human relationships fell apart. in Scotland, Japan, Guatemala, and probably other clan locations, humans and gargs were getting along alright in the 1000's but the English got rid of the gargs, why? what really bugs me about them doing this is that like in many other places in the world, gargoyles were having an effect on myth and culture, more so in England than many other places. gargoyles seemed to have been a very positive influence in England because lions, unicorns, griffons, etc. all became English symbols of honor, strength, courage, and power, why use and keep these symbols when banishing the people who influenced them, the gargs? unless somethng happened in England to make them hate gargs alot, i don't understand how a people could honor a people and then turn around and banish them...
England considered itself more civilized. They weren't the only "nation" (and I use the term loosely and anachronistically) to get rid of their 'goyles. And England did a worse job than most.
What are all the names of the gargoyles on avalon.
Pass.
what are some of the other names of gargoyles on Avalon? i'd imagine most biblical angel names were used, but Opheila, Angela, and Boibekka all have other types of names, what were some of these?, if you know any
Boudicca, not Boibekka.
I've answered this. I believe that Katharine did attempt at least to use all the standard Angelic names...
Gabriel, Michael, Azrael, Raphael, Uriel, etc.
Plus some variations like Angela.
But they had more gargs than angels.
So we get Ophelia, etc.
Anyway, I don't plan on tying my hand by naming a bunch of characters I haven't yet explored.
Greg;
I am a little confused on Gargoyle Generations... let's see if this is correct.
Ex)
Hudson - Gen 1
Goliath/Demona Gen 2
Trio/Bronx Gen 3--|
| |- from same gen, but different hatching
Angela Gen 3------|
Samson (Is that his name?) Gen 4
1) Is this basically a correct assumption?
2) Does a Gargoyle ALWAYS find a mate in his hatching? IE) did all the Avalon Gargoyles pair off?
3) If the above is not true, then, would a Garoyle look to the next hatching, or would they be too young?
1. No, not at all.
2. Not necessarily.
3. It depends when he or she is looking. Yama and Sora are from different generations. But they didn't get together when she was a kid.
1. will Tom and/or Katherine live to see Gabriel, Opheila, and Boudikka and the other Avalon gargoyle's eggs hatch?
2. will the Avalon clan continue the naming of the hatchlings?
3. will they have a rookery or will they raise their eggs and hatchling's individually as humans do?
oh, and i was thinking about the Earth rythmn and its effects on gargs reproductive cycles on Avalon and i thought that maybe Avalon produces its own rythmn that may mimic or duplicate the rythmn of the Earth so that Opheila and the rest still lay eggs and hatch as if they were in the real world. afterall, from what evidence we've seen in the series and that you've given us, Avalon doesn't seem to be a place you can locate on Earth, just a theory...
1. Not gonna answer that.
2. Yes.
3. Rookery. They know that much.
The cycles tie together. The math is excruciating for me, but I've managed it. I think.
among the British gargs would a female gargoyle that has the lion genes still have the mane that Leo has? i would think she would because Leo is not a lion and while he looks like one probably shares very few of the same characteristics of a lion.
i've also noticed that Maggie the Cat has lion genes and is the only mutate with hair and i assume this is because of the animal she was mutated from but of course Leo wasn't created from a lion...
There is a chameleonesque characteristic (metaphorically) to the various superficial gargoyle differences that seem so pronounced. That might suggest a female of Leo's type might look lioness-esque as opposed to Lion-esque. But it might not. I hate to tie my hand frankly, or rather I hate to tie the artists hands in advance.
Quick question,
You have mentioned that not all of the currently existing clans have names. So by the time of The Journey, how many of the clans have names? ( Not including London, Manhattan, Labyrinth, Ishimura, Avalon and Guatemala.) And which ones?
Huh? I'm not sure what you mean by names?
1. The London Clan. London, England.
2. The Ishimura Clan. Ishimura, Japan.
3. The Mayan Clan. ChacIxChel, Guatemala.
4. The Korea Clan. Pukhan, Korea.
5. The Xanadu Clan. Xanadu, China.
6. The Loch Ness Clan. Loch Ness, Scotland.
7. The New Olympian Clan. Mount Thanatos, New Olympus.
8. The Avalon Clan. Oberon's Palace, Avalon.
9. The Manhattan Clan. New York, U.S.A.
10. The Labyrinth Clan. New York, U.S.A.
Greg,
You have mentioned that there is a clan in Korea.
1)Where in Korea is this clan located?
2)Who is the leader of the clan?
3) Have they had a massacre recently? Or do the Koreans in the area even know they exist?
4) In 1998 did the clan have a rookery?
5) Will any Korean gargs play a part in future story lines?
6) Of the 12 Existing clans; how many is the Illuminati aware of?
Thanks
1. Pukhan, Korea. This clan lives in tunnels and caves that run through the mountains along the Pukhan River.
2. Don't know yet.
3. No full-scale massacre, if that's what you mean.
3a. There are legends.
4. Yes.
5. Yes.
6. In 2001, there are not 12 existing clans. There are 10, including Avalon, Manhattan and the Labyrinth. And the Illuminati probably know about fewer than you think.
in "M.I.A." Griff mentions that Goliath looks like scottish stock.
did Griff know about the Loch Ness Clan in Scotland?
did he figure that Goliath was a member of this clan?
The London Clan has a library.
Greg,
Hey a few more questions.
1) Who is Kai's mate?
2) By the time of the Journey how old is Kai biologically?
3) How many children have Kai and his mate produced? And what years did they hatch?
4) Have Yama and Sora had a child yet?
Thanks again
1. No one that we've really met.
2. The same age as Leo and Una.
3. Biological children?
4. No. Sora's too young.
when garg clans were all over the world did the clans ever have "clan protectorate" boundry lines the way we have national borders? i'm mainly refering to the clans of the British isles since there seemed to be more clans there and they are closer to each other, like the Wyvern, break-off Wyvern, Loch Ness, and London clans, and i'm sure there were once many more, so did they ever have boundries between their protectorates?
More like vague territories.
Dear Greg,
1)Why are the London gargoyles only limited to lions,horses and birds? That seems kinda silly.
2) How many eggs hatched to the London clan in 1998?
3) How many beasts does this clan have?
4) How many children do Leo and Una have?
5) Will Griff find a mate?
6) Why is Una the leader?
7)Shouldn't one of the younger generation take over?
Thanks
1. You're thinking about this backwards. You might as easily ask why are the Wyvern gargoyles limited to what you've seen of them? And at any rate, you've got it wrong. The London gargs vaguely resemble various combinations of Griffin, Winged Lion and Winged Unicorn.
2. I'm not going to answer this at this time.
3. Ditto.
4. Many clan-children.
5. Not telling.
6. That's complex. Why is Goliath the leader? It's how things turned out. I will say, that she's highly intelligent, and has done a good job at keeping the clan safe.
7. Eventually. What's your hurry?
dear greg.
as i am in england,our flipping(tm)english t.v studios have not show the intire series,so i missed out of half the gargoyles,i never even got to see goliath and elisa kiss.
i am intrested in the characters kai and his clan,could you tell me what kai is like as a person,and his clan
thanks you forever for thinking of this wonderful cartoon
Kai is a dedicated leader of the old school, literally. He is Bushido master in Ishimura. His clan has lived in peace and secrecy with the humans of Ishimura for centuries.
What else do you want to know?
Try to be specific.
In gargoyle society we see how males and females are considered equal like in Goliath's clan but is there
a gargoyle clan in which males are dominant?
No.
by "Ill met by Midnight" are Gabriel and Opheila allready chosen mates or do they decide that later? seeing as how Tom and Katherine are human and raised the gargs as brothers and sisters in a human fashion what is T and K's reaction to the coupling of the eggs? if i am wrong in how they were raised than correct me, please, but neither Tom nor Katherine was very knowledgable in garg customs, were they? did they raise the gargs in a garg way as best they could or just as they would human children and garg instincts took over for the rest?
Moonlight, not midnight.
You're mostly wrong. I think Tom and Katharine and the Magus realized that these eggs represented an entire generation, not just a bunch of siblings. Relationships developed. Some fraternal, others romantic. The humans attempted to mimic gargoyle customs, which the Magus had some information on.
And Gabe and Ophelia were certainly romantically involved by Ill Met.
do all the clans of 1996 have beasts, or at least beast eggs?
Maybe.
i have a question about gargoyle customs. you've said that Opheila is Gabriel's second in command and for a time, Demona was Goliath's second, is it common among gargs to choose their mate as second? if so, isn't that unfair to the other gargs hoping to become second, or am i thinking too much like a human?
You're generally thinking too much like a human.
The bigger issue over time is age. A second should be in a position to be groomed to take over for his leader, either in case of an emergency (as when Brooklyn took over for Goliath during the World Tour) or in the case of succession, as when the older Hudson stepped down in favor of the younger Goliath.
Had things gone differently at Wyvern, eventually either Demona would have stepped down to allow a new second to be chosen from the younger generation (most likely Brooklyn) OR Goliath would have stepped aside to allow Demona to lead and chose a new younger Second (again, most likely Brooklyn).
It's largely a meritocracy otherwise. Hudson chose Goliath as his second based on a myriad of positive qualities but primarily integrity, intelligence, natural leadership abilities and a genuine ferocity in battle.
Goliath in turn selected Demona for the same qualities. *He was just mistaken about the integrity.*
As for Avalon, the situation is a bit different, as all the gargs there are of the same generation. Originally Gabriel was chosen as leader and one of his many rookery-siblings Angela was chosen as his second. When Angela left, Gabriel did select his mate as his second, at least for the time being. But you can bet Ophelia was qualified -- look how she performed even when wounded in Avalon Part Three -- or he would not have chosen her. Does nepotism play a part. Possibly. But I'd think that the qualities necessary would have to be even more obvious to avoid charges of nepotism.
In London, Una is the leader of the clan. Her second, whom we have not yet met, is of a younger generation and generally runs things at their more rural (or at least suburban) estate.
In Japan, Kai was the leader. Yama, of a younger generation, was his second. After Yama's banishment, Yama's mate Sora was probably chosen as Second (though don't hold me to that). Again Sora's chosen for her attributes and (relative) youth. Someday -- short of a catastrophe taking place -- she will lead the clan in Kai's place.
In Guatemala, Zafiro is the leader. His second is not his mate Obsidiana, but Turquesa, Jade's mate. They are all of the same generation, but they are also the only gargs alive down there at the moment. (Not counting the eggs.)
Happy New Year, Greg. My question focuses on the Chinese clan. You mentioned that Fu Dog came from there, and that he was named that because he looked like a foo-dog. In case you were unaware (though I seriously doubt it), the foo-dog is actually a representation of a lion. Lions aren't native to China, but their image was present on gifts given to the Chinese Emperor. Lion statues were then built at the entrance of temples, tombs and official buildings to guard them and ward off evil. They became associated with Buddha ("Fo" in Chinese) and were also called "lions of Korea" and "shismi dogs".
So my question is (in three parts):
1a) Does Fu Dog really resemble a lion? (you said in a post once that you had "a fairly clear idea" of Fu Dog's design).
b) If so, do the majority of the other members of the Chinese clan also resemble mammals, as the London clan does?
c) If your answer to "b" is no, would their general physical structure be closer to Goliath's, or Zaphiro's, or something all-together different?
Keep in mind, legends always have a basis in truth. That doesn't mean they are wholey accurate. Fu Dogs were probably based (in the gargoyles universe) on Chinese gargoyle beasts.
1a. There may be some passing resemblance to a lion.
1b. You're jumping to conclusions, which I'll neither confirm or deny.
1c. My answer to b wasn't no.
Hey Greg,
1)Who is the leader of the London clan right now?
2)Who is his/her second? Now.
3)In M.I.A. we only saw three gargoyles that belonged to this clan. What other types of animals could these gargoyles look like? Say Gorillas? Llamas? Dogs? What?
Thank you
1. Una.
2. We haven't met that garg yet.
3. No. What you saw is what you get.
[1] The first time I watched _Possession_ I pretty much took it for granted how much Coldfire and Coldsteel resembled 'Desdemona' and 'Iago'. It makes sense when you're used to half-baked comic book logic (not to disrespect your own fine work in the field), but Gargoyles takes great pains to create a more, erm, well-done and realistic (or at least snarkily pseudo-scientific :P) universe. On later viewings, I was compelled to contemplate further. The techniques used in creating the Steel Clan wouldn't apply here, I think. The techies at Scarab Corp. (or wherever) probably had lots of old security tapes of Goliath to pore over as much as they liked, but it's hard to imagine how that'd work with the Legionnaires. Was the likeness of design only in animation, then?
[2] Likewise, with the the WWII statue in London, which off-the-bat was recognizable as being of Goliath and Griff. Was its sculptor working solely off of Sir Douglas' accounts? (Pilots are generally more observant than the average bear, and from the impression he made on you as a kid, he musta made one heckuva eyewitness. It still is kind of a stretch, though...)
1. You're forgetting Puck. And various memory chips inside Coldstone.
2. I always thought that that statue was funded by Leo and Una. Ostensibly as a memorial to the Battle of Britain, but really as a memorial to Griff and Goliath.
Dear Greg,
You mentioned that Bronx and Boudicca are mates, and that they will mate again. Will any from the Avalon clan (Including Boudicca) go to Manhattan?
Thanx
Boudicca's already been once.
There may be exchange programs worked out in the future.
Dear Greg,
When do suppose the New Olympian clan will make there presence known? You have mentioned that they are somewhat isolationist even with the New Olympians, so it seems unlikely that they would willingly venture into the outside world.
It'll be a while.
Griff was going to be Una's mate but dissappeared before they could and she ended up mating with Leo, correct? if so, isn't that quite wierd for all three of them now that Griff is back, he obviously must've had feelings for Una and now her and his friend are together. would all this have anything to do with the reason Griff decided to stay with Arthur and not return to London?
Yes. And yes.
okay, Zafiro and Obsidiana are mates, and Jade and Turquesa are mates, correct? were they all mates before the Guatemalan clan was destroyed or after? i ask this cuz i wonder if they became mates with each other for the continuation of the clan (after the massacre) or it was coincidence that the four pendant wearers were also mates.
Maybe not coincidence, but they were already mates.
The not coincidence part is that if you are thrown together often enough, something might spark.
is there a clan leader of the Avalon clan? is it Gabriel or do they consider Goliath to be their clan leader?
Gabriel is the leader.
how many eggs are in guatemala in 1996?
what year were the other clan members destroyed?
having the ability to function in daylight, wouldn't it be a top priority for the pendant wearers to watch over the pyramid, clan, and amulet during the day? why then were ALL four of them away the day the pyramid was raided and the clan destroyed? were they tricked?
I don't think they were intentionally tricked, but it worked out that way.
I don't have the chronology solidified yet, but I figure there are between twenty and forty eggs.
1)What is the world population of gargoyles in 1996 excluding gargoyle beasts?
1. I don't know exactly.
Do the trio have any blood-siblings on Avalon>
Potentially.
You must have reached this point in your timeline: When were Griff, Leo and Una hatched?
1898.
And no, I haven't gotten to M.I.A. either in the present. But because I knew it had a flashback scene, I actually did the 1940 stuff before I started on the other episodes. That lead to figuring out their hatchdate.
I was looking through the archives and i found that you had said a LONG time ago that Yama was in his late twenties (biologically) in 1996. doesn't this mean that he already has had the oppurtunity to mate (at 20)? also, how many generations older is Kai than Yama and Sora?
I'm still working on my timeline revision, and I haven't gotten to these details as yet. I'm currently working on December of 1995, so I haven't yet dealt with the episode Bushido in any detail, and thus the ramifications of that episode -- even those that predate 1995 -- still haven't been accounted for in the revised document. Instead of guessing, I'd rather you give me the next six months to figure it out correctly once and for all. My goal is to be done by the next Gathering in Los Angeles.
I was wondering, you know all the Gargoyles on Avalon? Would they every rejoin the Gargoyles in New York? If so for what reason?
I'm not sure what you mean by "rejoin".
Clan questions:
1) In the Egyptian episode, "Grief," Angela suggests that the sphinx looks like giant gargoyle. We know from the clans contest that there is not currently a clan in Egypt. Was there at one time an Egyptian clan that died out or was destroyed?
2) On a related note, you said that the New Olympus gargoyles left Greece with the New Olympians. Again from the clan contest we know that there is not currently a Greek clan. Assuming there was once a Greek clan, did they all go to New Olympus, or did some stay behind to die out or be destroyed?
3) I'm not asking you to tell the stories now, but do you have them planned out for use perhaps in Timedancer?
(Note: I'm thinking about gathering a list of "untold stories" you've hinted at. [Greg replies: "I know, but I'm not telling now."] The more unanswered questions I come up with, the more eager and impatient I am for the return of Gargoyles.)
1. Possibly.
2. The latter. Though not all the New Olympian gargs came from Greece. Some came from other mediterranean locations.
3. Which stories?
why do gargoyles eventually colonize Queen Florence Island? is it because their numbers are so small that if they don't all group together they'll go extinct?
It's actually out of the successful rebounding of the species that they decide to add a new clan. They have largely maxed out the capacity of the twelve sites they have.
did the gargoyle clans in the americas migrate over the bering strait from asia with the humans or did the get there some other way?
You mean the Mayan clan? Yes, probably.
Cause the Manhattan clan was shipped over in boxes. The Labyrinth clan was cloned from the Manhattan Clan, and the Queen Florence Island clan will someday be made up of Gargs who colonize it from all over the world. (But that won't be for a while.)
About when did the London clan first open the magic shop? (If you don't know the exact year, then the general period in English history that you see it take place - i.e., Tudor, Stuart, Georgian, Victorian, etc.)
Pre-Tudor.
Ishimura Clan questions:
1. After seeing the memo recently posted on naming schemes used in the series, I was wondering if any specific pattern was used with the Ishimura clan?
2. I don't know how involved you were with the individual names of the Ishimura clan, but what does Kai's name mean? Sora and Yama have only one kanji character associated with their names (yama: "mountain, hill, knoll," sora: "sky, heavens, air"), but there are over 40 kanji characters that are pronounced "KAI".
1. I believe so. Yama means mountain, and I vaguely recall that the other names Sora and Kai meant something too. Can't remember what anymore, though. Sorry.
2. Oh. So Sora means sky. That just leaves Kai. Might it mean "Leader"? I just can't remember. But you can ask Story Editor Gary Sperling at the 2001 Gathering in Los Angeles this June.
Which Gargoyle clan excluding the Manhatten, labrinth, and Avalon clans have the largest population of Gargoyles?
I haven't counted.
Does the stuff in the gargoyles bible saying that gargoyles are dragons in China still true?
thats not exactly what the bible said
Greg:
Did gargoyles ever travel to india
Ever? Sure. Migrated.
Is the survival of the Loch Ness monster and the Loch Ness Clan has anything to do with each other?
yes.
In the episode Bushido Yama told Goliath that the ishimera clan has been hiding from the outside world for centuries. In a way Yama really wants his clan to be revealed to the outside world which is very foolish since there are humans out there like the insane psychopath Jon Castaway that have dedicated their lives to the destruction of gargoyles my question is why do some gargoyles want their race to be reveiled to humans even they know it is very dangerous to do so?
Because ultimately hiding is equally dangerous, with no chance of there being any positive change. It is a game of diminishing returns. The irony of Yama's position is that he's generally right, but he got the specifics wrong. Specifically, he trusted the wrong human.
Questions on the London clan of gargoyles
1) How did the London clan aquire the occult shop "In to the Mystic"?
2) How did they get the mansion that the clan is primary based in?
1. Long story.
2. Another long story.
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