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Whoops sorry for the double post but forgot to mention who wrote the previous post. Which was me.
Matthew
I have nothing more to say...So why am I still talking?

A short but still good Ask Greg Live event. Getting to see Greg as well as meet several of his past alumni like Vanessa Marshall, Nicole Dubuc and Josh Keaton was an absolute treat. Hope to do it again soon. Oh and Greg if you're reading this Josh says Hi.
Anonymous

Adam - News on guests (Marina Sirtis, Thom Adcox, Frank Paur, myself and others) and events can be found here:

http://www.convergence-con.org/

Also follow ASK GREG for more updates as we get closer.

Greg Weisman

Has there been any update as to there being a Gathering of the Gargoyles at this years CONvergence?
Adam - [carl006_1999 at yahoo dot com]

Absolutely, positively psyched for WonderCon this year. And now I find out that Greg will be returning for the Gargoyles 20th anniversary. Score!
Matthew
I have nothing more to say...So why am I still talking?

http://www.fpsmagazine.com/feature/041214weisman-4.php

This interview mentions that Bad Guys was in consideration at Jetix which, combining the 2004 date with Weisman's statement of "a year, two years ago" would make the vague revival attempt clock in during 2002.

But for Bad Guys.

Harlan of the Ghosts
MELON ENERGY.

According to the "What Might Have Been" section of TV Tropes, Disney considered reviving "Gargoyles" in 2002. This is the first I heard about it. I wonder if anyone else knows about it.

(It also listed for "Gargoyles" a few "What Might Have Been" items we already knew about, such as the spin-offs, the original comedy proposal, Coco as a kind of female Broadway counterpart, and Demona's forerunner as Dakota.

Todd Jensen
Hufflepuffs are really good finders

I've posted Season Two Chapter Thirteen: City of Mutants Part Three of my TMNT/Gargoyles Crossover -

Episode Summary:

One crisis is resolved another begins.

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10063649/13/TMNT-Gargoyles-Season-Two-Avalon-and-Beyond

enjoy

Celgress - [m44tu at unb dot ca]

Arias> I'd always gotten the impression that the Wyvern Clan had something of a cultural phobia regarding sorcery. At best, regarding it as a dangerous tool to be used only when absolutely necessary. And at worst, the domain of megalomaniacal madmen who toy with Things Gargoyle Was Not Meant To Know!

I've always kinda suspected that's part of why Demona was learning from the Archmage in secret.

Algernon
"This world isn't worth saving, tragedies and sadness will never truly disappear. But even so, it's the place she once tried to protect. I remember that. And I will never ever forget it. That's why... I keep fighting." ~Homura Akemi

Arias> The Clan as a whole had one week with possession of the Gate (from the end of Vows to the beginning of High Noon), during which City of Stone took place. I think they were a little bit more focused on those events then on another dangerous magical talisman (and they have good cause to be wary of those in general, given their experiences with all of the Three Keys to Power). As to Goliath personally, he saw the Gate in use in Vows as well as the Avalon triptych. He used it himself in MIA; even after having the experience of time being immutable from Vows, he STILL tried (and failed) to change history. I'd say he learned his lesson fairly well by that point. During the Avalon World Tour, Goliath was deliberately trying to make sure the Eye and the Gate were never used again - his attempt to "destroy" the Gate was basically the end result of that.

It is said that insanity is repeating the same mistakes and expecting different results. Goliath isn't crazy, nor are the clan. Considering the nature of those deliberately seeking the Gate (Demona, Xanatos, the Archmage, Puck), it makes sense that Goliath would prefer to keep it from being used more than attempt to use it again after all he's experienced with it.

Brainiac - [OSUBrainiac at gmail dot com]
There is balance in all things. Live in symmetry with the world around you. If you must blow things up and steal from those around you, THAT'S WHAT RPGS ARE FOR!

Anyone else think that Goliath and co are really unambitious in regards to the Phoenix Gate? Goliath gets to see it in use once, by seeming coincidence the future isn't changed, and this is enough to make the entire Manhattan Clan write off potential use of the Phoenix Gate? Strange for such a normally tenacious bunch.
Arias

Well, the largest clan that we definitively know about is the London Clan circa 1996 and they probably went over the 200 mark when those eggs hatched in 1998. But of course, there is some serious nature and nurture reasons they are staying that size. They are keeping themselves small not only to manage resources, but to avoid splitting (where would the new clan go?).

I think Greg's estimate of 40-80 in tenth century Wyvern is a bit low. Bordering on impossible really, at least before they split. To produce 36 eggs in 988 takes 72 adults of breeding age. Plus you'd have two younger, non-breeding generations (the Trio's and True's), probably a few gargoyles of breeding age that didn't produce eggs and perhaps a few gargoyles older than breeding age. I'd guess before the split there were the 36 eggs and around 160 gargoyles/beasts. If half left (leaving the eggs) that'd leave around 80 gargoyles/beasts in residence by the time of the Massacre. So, Greg's maximum limit seems about as small as a splinter clan would really get under normal circumstances.

All that said, I think that most clans would hit the limit of resources/space way before hitting some sort of relational stranger limit. I can easily see clans growing to a few hundred strong, and maybe a thousand, if resources held. At that point, yeah I can see them splitting, if for no other reason than to spread out, but in the right circumstances, who knows. I would say that I don't think any current clan has many more members than the London Clan does. And I think in all of history clans of greater than 300 were very very rare if they existed at all. There are just too many reasons to split before getting that big. Space, resources, safety, politics.

Matt - [Saint Louis, Missouri, USA]
"For science, which, as my associate Fang indicated, must move ever forward. Plus there's the money... and I do love the drama!" - Sevarius, "Louse"

Ran across an interesting concept today: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunbar%27s_number

Given Greg's mention of the rough average for clan size in the days of Wyvern (http://s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=9405), I'm curious if this would be valid for an "upper-limit" of clan size if societal structure is the ONLY determining factor in when splinters become necessary (in other words, no environmental bottlenecks like limited resources or locational issues).

Brainiac - [OSUBrainiac at gmail dot com]
There is balance in all things. Live in symmetry with the world around you. If you must blow things up and steal from those around you, THAT'S WHAT RPGS ARE FOR!

ADAM> Frankly, I'd be waaay more surprised if it WASN'T based on Willy Shakes' Mac. But yeah, sounds neat.
Algernon
"This world isn't worth saving, tragedies and sadness will never truly disappear. But even so, it's the place she once tried to protect. I remember that. And I will never ever forget it. That's why... I keep fighting." ~Homura Akemi

Sorry, link did not work as well as I was hoping. The film stars Michael Fassbender as Macbeth.
Adam - [carl006_1999 at yahoo dot com]

10th (I don't know what 10 is for the praenomen is). Anyway, I don't know if anyone else has seen this, so I thought I would post this link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macbeth_(2015_film)

Looks like they are doing a Macbeth film and it is going to be based on Shakespeare's instead of being historically acturate.

Adam - [carl006_1999 at yahoo dot com]

Nonus
Algernon

Octavus
Anthony Tini

Septimus
Supermorff

Sextus!
Masterdramon - [kmc12009 at mymail dot pomona dot edu]
"If someone ever tells me it's a mistake to have hope...well then, I'll just tell them they're wrong. And I'll keep telling them until they believe. No matter how many times it takes." - Madoka Kaname

Quintus!
Matt - [Saint Louis, Missouri, USA]
"For science, which, as my associate Fang indicated, must move ever forward. Plus there's the money... and I do love the drama!" - Sevarius, "Louse"

Quartus! I think I'm spelling that correctly
Matthew
I have nothing more to say...So why am I still talking?

Tertius...or maybe not. Sometimes someone else posts before I click Post.

Anyway, I'm right there at the bottom, the very next in line:
http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/unanswered.php?qid=19657

This is kind of exhilarating. I kind of feel like I'm waiting to be nominated for the Academy Awards. Or in the checkout line behind Danny Pintauro from "Who's the Boss?"

Arlo
Gargoyles need not apply.

Secondus.
Chip - [Sir_Griff723 at yahoo dot com]
I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen: not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else. ~~C.S. Lewis

In the spirit of fulminos venite...and possibly as poorly conjugated...

Primus!

Brainiac - [OSUBrainiac at gmail dot com]
There is balance in all things. Live in symmetry with the world around you. If you must blow things up and steal from those around you, THAT'S WHAT RPGS ARE FOR!