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I've always figured that there were quite a few clans, throughout the Roman Empire. I like Al's little theory about the London gargoyles. And it makes certain amounts of sense, jiving with mythology from all over that region. Egyptian griffins and sphinxes, Roman perytons, and other creatures that are either protectors in myth, or otherwise just basically fit the physical description of gargoyles.

And we know that New Olympus was in contact with the human world during the Roman period, as evidenced by their government and architecture.

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Harlan of the Ghosts
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TODD & Brainiac> I've always assumed there must have been a least a few Roman Clans. How will they were treated by the Empire is probably one of those things that varied a lot depending on local Governors and current Emperors.

In fact, I've always suspected the London Clan were descended from Clans brought over from the continent during the occupation of Britain. Given how much they differ from the presumably more "Celtic" Scottish stock and that Griffins originated in Greco-Roman mythology.

Algernon

Todd> Why do you think that? The Empire may have expanded far beyond just the Mediterranean, but gargoyles still had to be known to and likely appeared before Caesar Augustus for the Spell of Humility to have had any reason to be utilized.

Heh. Every time I'm reminded of Caesar Augustus having "strong moral values" which led to the Humility Spell being used, I wind up thinking of Brian Blessed playing that role in I, Claudius and when he got to let loose that voice of his in the scene where Caesar confronts just how promiscuous his daughter Julia has been.

Brainiac - [OSUBrainiac at gmail dot com]
"It has been said that astronomy is a humbling and character-building experience. There is perhaps no better demonstration of the folly of human conceits than this distant image of our tiny world. To me, it underscores our responsibility to deal more kindly with one another, and to preserve and cherish the pale blue dot, the only home we've ever known."

Goliath said in "M. I. A." that "human problems become gargoyle problems", and seeing how many of the gargoyle massacres and other troubles stemmed from quarrels among humans (such Vikings wanting to sack a wealthy castle or struggles over the succession to the Scottish throne - even the Quarryman business ultimately stems from Jon Canmore/Castaway being unable to admit that he was the one who shot his brother) certainly demonstrates the truth of his words. But today is the anniversary of another historical event which shows how human wars can affect gargoyles in more subtle ways.

On September 2, 31 B.C, Octavius, Julius Caesar's great-nephew and adopted son, defeated his chief rival for control over the Roman Republic (soon to become the Roman Empire), Mark Antony, and his ally, Queen Cleopatra of Egypt. Antony and Cleopatra had no further hope of ruling over Rome; they retreated to Egypt, where both committed suicide the following year. Octavius, under the name of Caesar Augustus, became the first Roman Emperor.

While I doubt there were any gargoyles left in the Mediterranean world by the 1st century B.C. to become involved in the fighting over who would be the master of Rome, the outcome of the battle still affected the species world-wide. I doubt that Mark Antony and Cleopatra would have been as concerned about gargoyles awakening from their stone sleep without clothes as Augustus was.

Todd Jensen
Hufflepuffs are really good finders

*wipes forehead dramatically*

Wow...after nearly a month of writing, my CONvergence 2014 con report is finally up on Ask Greg. And it is a doozy.

At 42 pages in Microsoft Word and over 18,000 words, I think it's clear that I went a little overboard. Still, there weren't exactly a lot of other journals written for the event, so I guess in some sense I felt obligated to make up for that. XD

In any event, I hope that y'all enjoy! To make everything a little more manageable I split the report into four posts, though each post is definitely still pretty lengthy:

http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=20504 (Day 1 and Day 2)
http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=20505 (Day 3)
http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=20506 (Day 4)
http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=20507 (Day 5 and Day 6)

And while I also link to it in the Day 2 report, here's a separate link to my Flickr account, where I posted all of the cool stuff and autographs I managed to snag throughout the con. Click on the "CONvergence 2014" album:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/94547312@N04/sets/

I really enjoyed putting this together, as it took me back to what has easily been one of the greatest highlights of the year for me.

I hope it has a similar effect to anyone else here who managed to make it to the festivities. And for those who, unfortunately, could not...I hope that my sheer amount of detail can impart a bit of that experience to you.

And now, as promised in the report...time to get to work on my own Amazon/Ask Greg review of "Spirits." Really excited to tackle that one as well, as I truly enjoyed the hell out of the book.

Cheers, all! :)

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And away we go on with the show!
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Comet
Double, double, toil and trouble. Fire burn and cauldron bubble.

Nine for Mortal Men doomed to die
Algernon

Eighth in the name of just remembering it's Monday.
Anthony Tini

Seventh!

And happy Labor Day in the States :)

Phoenician
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That will be six and six, please.
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Fifth.
Matt - [Saint Louis, Missouri, USA]
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Fourth
Supermorff

(3rd)Third!!!
Vinnie - [tpeano29 at hotmail dot com]
Mark Twain: "Don't argue with stupid people. They'll take you down to their level and beat you with experience."

Second in the name of currently working on Amazon reviews for Rain and Spirits!
Matthew
From far, from eve and morning, And yon twelve-winded sky, The stuff of life to knit me, Blew hither: here am I. -A.E. Housman

FIRST in the name of almost being finished with my ridiculously long CONvergence report!

I hope to finally have it up here on Ask Greg sometime this week.

Masterdramon - [kmc12009 at mymail dot pomona dot edu]
"If someone ever tells me it's a mistake to have hope...well then, I'll just tell them they're wrong. And I'll keep telling them until they believe. No matter how many times it takes." - Madoka Kaname