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Antiyonder writes...
Most of us have been talking about the yet to be released Volume of Gargoyles, whether it's in the comment room or submitting in the Ask A Question. I do agree that that the Disney blaming has gone overboard at times (I'm guilty of it as well). I can't speak for everyone of course, but I'm going to do my best to describe why we tend to blame the company so to speak (I know you don't mean any offense). Since, you have more business experience than some of us, your POV would be helpful.
1. Again part of the reason why we aren't seeing anymore DVDs are lack of purchases from the previous sets. Yes part of it is due to lack of sales, but also lack of advertising. It's not just DVDs, but with say network television (Not just with Disney). Aside from quality there are many reasons a show would turn up with low ratings, like:
- Lack of commericals, hence the viewer doesn't know it exist.
- The show is aired so much that the viewer gets tired of it, or so little they don't have a chance to draw in fans. Odd thing about that is that a particular program is aired constantly when it only has 13/26 episodes, yet when/if it has 65-78 episode, then it's not aired so often. Should be the other way around.
- The show is aired in a timeslot that most people don't watch.
It just seems like the higher ups don't really understand their audience, or they do but don't want to take responsibility. After all, admiting to a mistake is viewed by some to be a sign of shame and humiliation rather than being responsible.
1a. Also, with the comics, I heard sales lowered for #3. That's due of course to lack of a consistant release. My question is if Disney will acknowledge that lower sales are due to delaying approval, or will they assume that the comic itself is the problem. You can count on us hardcore (in my case semi-hardcore) fans to stick with it to the end, but as has been said in the comment room newcomers or casual buyers are going to be put off by the delays if it keeps up. Regardless, I'm trusting that the situation should improve.
2. Then there's the concept of money. It seems like the higher ups in the business never heard of the saying "You have to spend money to make money". It just seems like with any product (DVD, Comics, etc) they expect to make a fortune by investing a few cents (not literaly mind you).
2a. I know that companies like Disney are in the business to make money and I repsect that. The problem is it seems their ambition is more of an obsession. For instance, I know that you're sure as heck not doing all of this work for free, but for you the money isn't a one-tracked mind thing. Same could be said of folks like Bruce Timm, Paul Dini, Tom Defalco, Peter David, Steve Loter, Mark McCorkie, Bob Schooley.
I really hope this came across as a constructive complaint, rather than a mindless hatefilled rant. After all, I'm not always good at using the right words, to voice my opinion.
Greg responds...
You're preaching to the converted, but there is an element of naivete here. Marketing costs money. Disney has LITTLE evidence that they can make much money off of Gargoyles relative to what they could make off of, say, Power Rangers. So they are less inclined to spend the FINITE amount of money they have to promote a product which will without a doubt be profitable, but which without a doubt won't be AS profitable as others they might release. That's called "Opportunity cost".
Gargoyles was a good bet for them, when (a) it seemed that the fans would do all the marketing work for them... making the release very inexpensive and (b) the sales seemed relatively high... making the profit margin relatively high. But when the fans do NOT do the marketing for them and when the sales aren't high, then Gargoyles seems like less the good bet.
Again, I'm not saying that the marketing SHOULD be the fans responsibility. I'm simply saying that if the fans do not take responsibility, then no one will.
Companies don't have obsessions. People do. Individuals run companies, which is why as companies have employee turnover, the character of the place and the opportunites shit and alter. But comparing Peter David with "DISNEY" is truly comparing apples and ... I don't know... steam engines.
So in the end, yours is NOT a "constructive complaint". (Though it's not a hate-filled rant either.) It's just a complaint. Period. And you're entitled to complain. Believe me. But now that you've complained, the question is both individually and collectively, what's your NEXT move? Just more complaining? Or do you want to find a new way to help us SPREAD THE WORD?
Carmen writes...
i am sure you have been asked this several times, but when are they going to release season 2 part 2. I just purshased seasons 1 and 2 for my little girl, and found an old e-mail stating that disney wasn't going to release the second half. I'm hoping that they have changed thier minds about this. I was so angry when Gargoyles was on the air back in 95' . I lived in California, and the O.J. Simpson trail was going on, so I wasn't able to watch the show. When I heard that it was being released in DVD I was happy because I was finally get to see them. Please send me some good news. My daughter is only 6 years old and I rented them for her, and she didn't move or talk for the first disc. She loves the show, as do I. If you can send me an e-mail, hopefully with good news! Or some better news, you decided to start the series up again....... Ok so I might be hoping for too much! My e-mail is TrinityRain25@hotmail.comThank you
An Ask Greg Helper responds...
Greg Weisman says:
Guys, don't you think I'd tell you (SCREAM IT LOUDLY) if I had ANY news at all?
Philipp writes...
Hi Greg,
If BVHE ever decides to release Season 2 Volume 2, is it possible we get more audio commentaries? I know they probably don't want to spend a lot of money on extras, but would you be interested in taping your own podcast commentaries, like Ron Moore does for Battlestar Galactica? All BVHE would have to do is putting them on the DVDs. ;)
Maybe you don't want to do that, but I just had to ask. I loved the commentaries on Season 1 and S2V1, they were my favourite extras. :)
Greg responds...
I love doing commentaries. I'm happy to do 'em. Don't know how to podcast. Don't know if BVHE will want 'em. (THough I imagine they'll want SOME commentary.) But really, we're getting WAY ahead of ourselves. I can't even seem to find out who the executive at BVHE is that I should be in contact with.
Silvia Song writes...
Hi Greg,
I recently got into Gargoyles again after ten years and I fell into love with the series all over again for different reasons. It was an amazing childhood action cartoon and now as a young adult I love it for it depth in characters. But my heart broke when I found out that the remaining part of Season Two has not been released on DVD. I bought Season One and the first half of Season Two to support Gargoyles the best way I could but it's not enough for me now.
I have been trying to e-mail Disney with numerous e-mail accounts and they keep sending me the same copy-and-paste reply so I even went to make a Facebook group to get all my friends and other interested people to join the group and e-mail Disney themselves. But I really want to know, will Disney ever give in if people keep on e-mailing them? It's the best I can do since I can't force all my friends to buy the DVDs. But seriously, and honestly, do you really think Disney will release the other half of season two if enough people e-mail them? And please, don't tell me you can only hope. I really want to know if all I'm doing is just in vain.
Thanks.
Greg responds...
It's not in vain, and it certainly helps, but I'm afraid it's NOT the most effective tack to take.
E-mail is wonderful, but money speaks loudest.
No, you can't make people buy the DVD, and no, you can't possibly buy enough copies yourself to turn the tide. But figure if you tell ten people about Gargoyles, about the DVDs, the Gathering, the comics, the SHOW itself... if you turn ten people on to Gargoyles, then maybe one will make a purchase. One out of ten doesn't sound impressive. But if you tell 1,000 people, then you'll have sold 100 DVDs. And if everyone YOU tell, tells 1000... Well, you get the idea.
I am NOT telling you to cease and desist with the e-mails to Disney. Quite the reverse, we need Disney to turn its eyes toward Gargoyles again and look at the sales figures anew. But if they look and the figures are still weak, then the e-mails didn't do much. So in addition to e-mailing DIsney, I'd say that job one is SPREADING THE WORD.
Now, I've been taken to task before for doing everything from being an ungrateful bastard to an apologist for Disney... so to be clear, I think the FANS are great! GREAT! And they've done great by me and by the property. Should this be the fans' responsibility? No. But if they don't take responsibility for spreading the word, then who will?
Jonny Modlin writes...
I wanted to know what is Buena Vista Home Entertainment's Phone Number that I have to get Buena Vista Home Entertainment's attention all over again about (i.e. increasing sales of Season 1 and Season 2, Volume 1) releasing the rest of Gargoyles Season 2, Volume 2 on DVD (second half of Season 2). I have been very good about waiting very patiently for Gargoyles Season 2, Volume 2 to get released on DVD to complete the entire series? Are there any DVD news for future Gargoyles DVD's about the release of Season 2, Volume 2 in Gargoyles #3 issue by Slave Labor? Thank you and have a nice day.
Greg responds...
Guys, don't you think I'd tell you (SCREAM IT LOUDLY) if I had ANY news at all?
I don't have a phone number either, believe it or not. At the moment, I don't even have an e-mail address, because my previous contact on the project at BVHE has been reassigned, and she hasn't been able to tell me who has taken over. I'm glad you've been patient, Jonny, but believe me, I have NOT been patient. But I've made no progress. I'm hoping that will change. But I have no new info at this time. I promise to keep everyone posted, both here and in "ETCHED IN STONE".
PenAgain writes...
Wow! Having just read issue 3 of the comic, I must say... I was astounded! I have had my reservations about the first issues, mostly because I was uncertain of the pacing of it all. But now, things are moving briskly, but we are still seeing flashes of our characters, even when they appear only briefly in an issue. It was amazing finally seeing NEW story progression after all these years!
In the letters page, you mentioned the idea of audio comics, and let me tell you... I'd pay a very reasonable (maybe even unreasonable) price to be able to listen to this issue read in the original voice actors' voices... but I suppose we should always have something to fight for out here in Garg fandom.
My question, at last- Since issues 1 and 2 equated roughly to one 22 minute episode... do you have any sort of fixed guideline you follow in a pages to minutes conversion? Does issue 3 feel like a 22 minute episode to you, or just part of one? I'm just curious, and I know that in teh long run my question's really rather irrelevant.
Thanks for making it so easy to keep having faith in the Gargoyles Universe, Greg! And if we ever get Season 2 Volume 2 on DVD, you better be at the front of every episode with introductions again. I loved those and found them charming, not goofy (as someone once commented here... or was that you?)
Greg responds...
I do think they're goofy (which is not to say I didn't have a lot of fun doing them).
I'd also love to do audio comics, but we'd need to see more evidence that there's a market for them. Hopefully, now that we're on schedule again, we'll be able to build the sales up on the comic.
To answer your question, I generally view each issue of the comic as being equivalent to one act of an episode. This is not a hard and fast rule, but it seems to be how things are breaking down. I was able to fit my adaptation of "The Journey" into two issues because the first issue had extra pages. But normally, I'll need three issues to do MOST stories justice. (Three acts to a TV episode = three issues of the comic.) Or so it seems. I'll admit that I'm still thinking TOO MUCH in TV terms. Issue #6 is a more stand alone story, but issues #7-9 tell one story and issues 10-12 will tell another that will bring the 12 issue Clan-Building arc to an end. It's like this:
CLAN-BUILDING
Story #1 - Issue #1 ("Nightwatch") and Issue #2 ("The Journey")
Story #2 - Issue #3 ("Invitation Only") and Issue #4 ("Masque") and Issue #5 ("Bash")
Story #3 - Issue #6 ("Reunion")
Story #4 - Issue #7 ("The Rock") and Issue #8 (TBA) and Issue #9 (TBA)
Story #5 - Issue #10 (TBA) and Issue #11 (TBA) and Issue #12 (TBA)
Twelve issues, five stories, one arc. As you can see, this barely scratches the surface of my Season Three plans, let alone my LARGER tapestry plans. But it's a start.
Benji writes...
Howcome there's still been no word on Season 2 Volume 2? I can't speak for everyone here, but I've loved this show since I was 4 years old. I didn't really get to start seriously watching it until I was a bit older. I understand that the sales on the other dvds were not as high as what Disney wanted, but what does that tell us? Most of the time all Disney is interested in, is squeezing every last penny out of every person they can. So the sales could've been high enough to do the rest of Season 2 and Season 3. But still, what of the true fans? I've heard that some of the fans just didn't spread the word or just didn't buy the dvds. But what of the fans that did buy them? I went and bought season 1 and Season 2 volume 1. I can promise that I WOULD buy Season 2 volume 2 and Season 3 if they were released. Plus being a hardcore Star Trek fan, I also have a special loyalty to Gargoyles with having so many Star Trek actors voicing characters on Gargoyles. I'm not trying to demand the rest of the series right this second. But I still really want to at LEAST see the rest of season 2 out on dvd. Do you think that the second half of season 2 and season 3 will ever come out? I think Disney should finish what they started. I mean it would be different if Gargoyles had been on for years and had like 7 seasons or something with full 26 episode seasons. But it only had 3! 2 of those seasons only having 13 episodes. Disney has so much money as it is, I don't think asking for the rest of Gargoyles is really asking all that much...
Greg responds...
<sigh>
Benji, you are preaching to the converted.
I'd love to get at least the second half of Season Two. But right now, I don't even have a liason at BVHE. (There's been quite a bit of turnover there over the years.)
Again, I'm not BLAMING the fans -- particularly the hardcore fans, who have been so great. But it doesn't change the simple fact that the DVDs didn't sell enough to MAINTAIN BVHE's intense interest. So now we have to get their attention all over again.
You can complain all you want about how it SHOULD be. I'm simply trying to tell you how it IS.
Jonny Modlin writes...
Hi Greg, Happy New Year. Did you get Gargoyles Season One and Season Two, Volume One on DVD at Amazon.com to increase sales to get Season Two, Volume Two released? Thank you.
Greg responds...
There are no current plans to release Season Two, Volume Two. We have to continue spreading the word. I have not given up. Don't you give up either.
mark writes...
seeing season 1 and 2 on dvd when can we expect the others to follow as i am collecting them all.a estimate on dates to expect the rest is all i am asking ?
thank you
An Ask Greg Helper responds...
Greg Weisman says:
There are STILL no current plans to release the second volume of Season Two. We still need to get sales up on the first two releases, particularly S2V1. Help SPREAD THE WORD!!!
Bill writes...
When is Season 2 Volume 2 comming out? I own both DVD sets and want the last two, Season 2 vol 2 and Season 3, to complete my collection.
An Ask Greg Helper responds...
Greg Weisman says:
There are STILL no current plans to release the second volume of Season Two. We still need to get sales up on the first two releases, particularly S2V1. Help SPREAD THE WORD!!!
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