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Comments for the week ending August 24, 2014

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Guess it's a good thing I decided to stop in today and saw this. Happy belated birthday, Todd. Thanks for the many years of contributions to the Gargoyles fandom.
Arlo
Gargoyles need not apply.

Algernon> Funny? Or maybe it's because Todd and your sister are the same person. I mean, think about it, have you ever seen both of them in the room at the same time? ;-)
SomeGeek

Happy B-Day, Todd. Same as my sister funnily enough.
Algernon

Thank you, everyone.
Todd Jensen
Hufflepuffs are really good finders

Happy Birthday to all and to all a good night!d1
Matthew
From far, from eve and morning, And yon twelve-winded sky, The stuff of life to knit me, Blew hither: here am I. -A.E. Housman

Forsooth, I likewise lend my voice to these well wishes!
Masterdramon - [kmc12009 at mymail dot pomona dot edu]
"If someone ever tells me it's a mistake to have hope...well then, I'll just tell them they're wrong. And I'll keep telling them until they believe. No matter how many times it takes." - Madoka Kaname

Happy Birthday, Todd!
Greg Bishansky

Almost too late,but happy birthday, Todd!
Spen

Thanks for commenting on my past, Matt. I honestly think that the production team paid only a superficial amount of attention to "The Journey" (enough to know about the Quarrymen, but not that they weren't mostly thugs, enough to know that Margot didn't like gargoyles, but not that she believed them to be wild animals incapable of reason) - probably because they were too new to the series and didn't have much time to learn more than the superficials.
Todd Jensen
Hufflepuffs are really good finders

Great thoughts, Todd. You'd think that for a season that started with "The Journey", they'd look beyond just the destination.
Matt - [Saint Louis, Missouri, USA]
"For science, which, as my associate Fang indicated, must move ever forward. Plus there's the money... and I do love the drama!" - Sevarius, "Louse"

I've recently been thinking about the ending of "The Journey", where Goliath tells Elisa, "I have been... frustrated... waiting for my clan to arrive at some kind of final destination. But life is about the journeys made in the discovery itself." I wonder now if this was another of those elements in "The Journey" (alongside the point that the Quarrymen were ordinary frightened citizens led astray through Castaway's exploiting their fears, rather than just another set of villainous criminals for the gargoyles to face) that the production team of "The Goliath Chronicles" overlooked - and one which, had they heeded it, would have led to a better third season.

The new production team seems to have interpreted "The Goliath Chronicles" as heading towards a "final destination", the resolution of the gargoyles being hated and feared by humans; hence the emphasis of that thread at the expense of almost everything else. In particular, it led to the two endings for "Angels in the Night" - the one proposed, in which the gargoyles gave up and fled the city, and the one used, in which the gargoyles get accepted with the humans doing a 180-degree turn around in their response to the gargoyles saving the passenger train - both feeling contrived - and no doubt almost any ending to that arc (especially the way it was handled, with each episode opening with almost everyone in New York hating the gargoyles again and all of their gains in the previous episode having vanished, usually without explanation) would have been forced and improbable.

But Goliath's speech indicates that the series (under Greg Weisman's vision) was not heading towards some big event which would have wrapped everything up and concluded the story; it was about the lives of the gargoyles and those around them, rather than a road to a specific objective. Indeed, we saw in "Clan-Building" that the Quarrymen and the public's fear of the gargoyles is far less central to the plot, is just one of several threads, alongside Goliath and Elisa's feelings about each other, the schemes of Thailog, the Illuminati, and Xanatos, the further development of the London clan, Brooklyn's TimeDancer adventures, the return of the ColdTrio, etc. Had the new production team understood this, "The Goliath Chronicles" might well have been much better.

Todd Jensen
Hufflepuffs are really good finders

Thanks Phoenician!
Matthew
From far, from eve and morning, And yon twelve-winded sky, The stuff of life to knit me, Blew hither: here am I. -A.E. Housman

Phil> At least you got your avatar image and text color right.
Brainiac - [OSUBrainiac at gmail dot com]
"It has been said that astronomy is a humbling and character-building experience. There is perhaps no better demonstration of the folly of human conceits than this distant image of our tiny world. To me, it underscores our responsibility to deal more kindly with one another, and to preserve and cherish the pale blue dot, the only home we've ever known."

Ten! Done! Woohoo!
Neill - [neillgargoyle(a)gmail dot com]
watch my Demona AMV: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNGrg5Wm12E

nine
Comet
Double, double, toil and trouble. Fire burn and cauldron bubble.

Or eight
Phil - [P1anderson at yahoo dot com]

Seven
Phil - [P1anderson at yahoo dot com]

All Lucky Sevens!
Brainiac - [OSUBrainiac at gmail dot com]
"It has been said that astronomy is a humbling and character-building experience. There is perhaps no better demonstration of the folly of human conceits than this distant image of our tiny world. To me, it underscores our responsibility to deal more kindly with one another, and to preserve and cherish the pale blue dot, the only home we've ever known."

SIXTH!
Supermorff

I plead the FIFTH!
Matt - [Saint Louis, Missouri, USA]
"For science, which, as my associate Fang indicated, must move ever forward. Plus there's the money... and I do love the drama!" - Sevarius, "Louse"

Mario, Luigi, Peach, and Toad!

AKA FOURTH!!!

Masterdramon - [kmc12009 at mymail dot pomona dot edu]
"If someone ever tells me it's a mistake to have hope...well then, I'll just tell them they're wrong. And I'll keep telling them until they believe. No matter how many times it takes." - Madoka Kaname

Matthew, just follow the directions on the Make a Commment page -- use (without the spaces) the tags [ SPOILER ] [ /SPOILER ] before whatever you wanna cover up.

like so . . .

[SPOILER] THIRD!!! [/SPOILER]

Though, as far as I know, the tags have only ever worked for the Comment Room -- if you're wanting to use them for the AskGreg queue, you're going to probably have to defer with the more meager ***SPOILERS!!!!*** bit.

Phoenician
"The suspense is terrible, I hope it lasts" -- Willy Wonka

Ok so how does one insert a spoiler I've never done so before and I don't want to spoil anything when writing up a review.
Incidentally, TWO(2ND)SECOND!

Matthew
From far, from eve and morning, And yon twelve-winded sky, The stuff of life to knit me, Blew hither: here am I. -A.E. Housman

One(1st)First!
Vinnie - [tpeano29 at hotmail dot com]
Mark Twain: "Don't argue with stupid people. They'll take you down to their level and beat you with experience."