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WARCRAFTER - While I don't know anything more about your work than what you mentioned in your post, I don't think (based on what you said in it) that you have anything to worry about. Disney didn't invent gargoyles or creatures that look gargoyle-ish; it only produced a specific interpretation of a "gargoyle" species. Since you mentioned that your "gargoyle-ish" creatures are evil, they clearly aren't much like the gargoyles of Disney (except maybe Demona, Thailog, and Coldsteel); the physical description that you gave for them is of a sort that's been frequently used in fantasy stories. So I don't think you'd have anything to fear about copying Disney's series, any more than if you were, say, writing about King Arthur and Merlin, Odin and the eye that he gave up for a drink from Mimir's well, or about characters and elements from Shakespeare's plays (as long as your take on those was distinct enough from the "Gargoyles" interpretation of them).
Todd Jensen
posted @ Tue, Feb 9, 2010 7:21:05 am EST from 4.244.210.194

People, it comes down to attendance, plain and simple. If not enough people attend for the convention to cover expenses, it doesn't matter if the markets are bear or bull. The conventions that survive for decades are the ones that turn significant profits every year that can be carried forward to the next event, not the ones that barely manage to cover all their costs and consistently force the convention staff to go out of pocket on the next one.
Patrick
"If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe." - Carl Sagan
posted @ Tue, Feb 9, 2010 7:10:15 am EST from 173.88.135.205

Hey, the only things in the universe that are endless are the escape velocities of black holes, and something else which I won't name here (but some people know what that thing is).
Harvester of Eyes
"DO NOT INTERRUPT! There! Happy now? Look what you did! Now you don't get to go on the murder crusade!" -The Monarch
posted @ Tue, Feb 9, 2010 6:20:45 am EST from 70.177.182.14

Gathering> "Now, there are many possible reasons for this, but the big one, I'd imagine, is that we're still smack dab in the middle of the worst economic recession since the Great Depression."

So what if another con was held, after the economy improves? Assuming, of course, that it does anytime soon...
KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra582 at gmail dot com]
Grr. Arg.
posted @ Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:36:44 am EST from 99.177.172.217

Please don't beg and plead and complain at me personally as if I'm the one who stopped the Gatherings. The entire convention staff was burned out. Several of us had worked on the cons for several years in a row with no break from it. The planning for a convention must begin over a year in advance, so those who stay involved year after year are sometimes working on tasks for TWO conventions at one time. I think the only reason I did not go insane last summer was because my PAID job was kind(?) enough to cut my hours by 20%, which gave me a full day every week that I could devote to my UNPAID convention work.

I suppose it was inevitable. For the Gathering's entire existence, there were always those who said "maybe I'll go next time" or "maybe I'd go if it was closer." Now that the Gatherings are over, that's turned into, "maybe I'd go if it was still happening." It's regretful that some people didn't take the opportunity to come to any of the 13 "Gargoyles" conventions that took place from 1997 to 2009. I feel bad that there are fans who missed out. But it was unrealistic to assume that the conventions would continue without end. Nothing in life is forever.
Patrick
"It's a small world but I wouldn't want to paint it." - Steven Wright
posted @ Tue, Feb 9, 2010 12:32:54 am EST from 173.88.135.205

I understand there where full versions made of the Will to love and the Demon in me, how would it be possible for us to get Disney to release them Cuz Ii love the songs as do most people but the characters talking during the song gets in the way.
vincent - [ShadowK9ght69 at gmail dot com]
Vincent
posted @ Tue, Feb 9, 2010 12:27:45 am EST from 66.65.65.190

Besides it couldn't look as similar to it as much as what i just showed you, If Greg or Disney ever saw this? who knows what would happen?
Wilman.
Wilman.
posted @ Mon, Feb 8, 2010 10:56:54 pm EST from 24.7.204.40

Warcrafter> I wouldn't worry about it too much, especially as you started it before you encountered the show. I however would need to work on fanfictions written based on ideas of the show if I ever wanted to make them original works of fiction without using specific "Gargoyles" canon ideas. Feel free to email me about this if you want but I don't consider myself an expert on copyright stuff. However, I am a fellow writer:)
Jade Griffin - [jade_griffin at hotmail dot com]
"Food, food, FOOD!!" - Jade Griffin, on many occasions
posted @ Mon, Feb 8, 2010 10:47:47 pm EST from 24.205.206.74

Ok, I think I'm done messing with the picture for now!

Warcrafter> How awesome to undertake writing a novel! I've thought the same thing but it stays in the thought process, never getting to the do. Good luck to you. I too new here to give you any good advice.
Madame M
posted @ Mon, Feb 8, 2010 10:41:38 pm EST from 99.141.246.72

i meant this FantasyHumanoidMale*Character Name*Skin:1,75,0,0,0,0,100,75,0,0,0,0,100;Eyebrows:1,75,0,0,0,0,100,75,0,0,0,0,100;Eyes:1,75,0,0,0,0,100,75,0,0,0,0,100;Nose:1,75,0,0,0,0,100,75,0,0,0,0,100;Mouth:1,75,0,0,0,0,100,75,0,0,0,0,100;Mask:1,75,0,0,0,0,100,75,0,0,0,0,100;Beard:1,75,0,0,0,0,100,75,0,0,0,0,100;Hair:1,75,0,0,0,0,100,75,0,0,0,0,100;Headgear:7,75,0,0,0,0,100,75,0,0,0,0,100;Undershirt:1,75,0,0,0,0,100,75,0,0,0,0,100;Overshirt:1,75,0,0,0,0,100,75,0,0,0,0,100;Gloves-lft:1,75,0,0,0,0,100,75,0,0,0,0,100;Gloves-rt:1,75,0,0,0,0,100,75,0,0,0,0,100;Coat:1,75,0,0,0,0,100,75,0,0,0,0,100;Belt:1,75,0,0,0,0,100,75,0,0,0,0,100;Leggings:1,75,0,0,0,0,100,75,0,0,0,0,100;Foot-lft:1,75,0,0,0,0,100,75,0,0,0,0,100;Foot-rt:1,75,0,0,0,0,100,75,0,0,0,0,100;Pants:1,75,0,0,0,0,100,75,0,0,0,0,100;Weapon-lft:18,75,0,0,0,0,100,75,0,0,0,0,100;Weapon-rt:1,75,0,0,0,0,100,75,0,0,0,0,100;Back:1,75,0,0,0,0,100,75,0,0,0,0,100;Background:1,75,0,0,0,0,100,75,0,0,0,0,100;Companion:1,75,0,0,0,0,100,75,0,0,0,0,100;#
Wilman.
Wilman.
posted @ Mon, Feb 8, 2010 10:38:46 pm EST from 24.7.204.40

don't feel bad, check this out http://www.sci-quest.org/home/education_resources/hero_machine/heromachine.swf, go to load and put this in http://www.sci-quest.org/home/education_resources/hero_machine/heromachine.swf, you'll be surprised!
Wilman.
Wilman.
posted @ Mon, Feb 8, 2010 10:36:48 pm EST from 24.7.204.40

Hey all, me again. I actually come with a possible problem I find I should ask here.

I stated a while ago here that I was writing a novel, but I never really talked about it much. What worries me is how it may have some similarities to Gargoyles with no purposeful intention of it. I've had this story idea since I was young and I discovered Gargoyles later on.

The most I can say about my story here (without giving out major plots) is that it does feature satient monsters with wings, tails, claws, the works. But we have seen things similar like that everywhere. My monsters are an evil race and my story has nothing to do with Gargoyles, which I repeat again, I didn't know the jift of until later on. I would state some more possible similarties, but I feel I can't here.

I felt like talking about this because I don't want to be a copyright S.O.B. if this seems like it. If you guys suggest I should do some changes to my 'monsters' so they don't seem gargoyle like, then please go ahead and please tell me. (Preferably by my e-mail so I could discuss a little more about this)

NOTE: I would prefer to 'communicate' with people I have seen on here for years and know what they are talking about when it comes to Gargoyles, Greg W., etc. Sorry.

THANX
Warcrafter - [grafixfangamer1 at sbcglobal dot net]
VAMPIRES DON'T SPARKLE!
posted @ Mon, Feb 8, 2010 10:26:15 pm EST from 69.231.202.63

WILMAN> <<at least one more time if not continuing! just one more big Gathering Of The Gargoyles! with All The Guests of last year and other years!>>

We already had that, it was last year's Gathering.

Look, it takes a lot of money to host a Gathering. A lot. Hotels are expensive. Renting equipment is expensive. Flying guests in and putting them up in hotel rooms is expensive. And that's only a few of the costs.

The attendance of the Gathering declined over the years. We were not getting enough attendees to cover those costs.

The money just isn't there. And before you say "have another one, people will come," well, how many people? Enough to cover all of the costs? Because we've had these things for thirteen years, and the numbers kept on going down.

Now, there are many possible reasons for this, but the big one, I'd imagine, is that we're still smack dab in the middle of the worst economic recession since the Great Depression.

The numbers just aren't there.
Greg Bishansky
posted @ Mon, Feb 8, 2010 10:14:39 pm EST from 74.88.215.133

at least one more time if not continuing! just one more big Gathering Of The Gargoyles! with All The Guests of last year and other years!
Wilman.
Wilman.
posted @ Mon, Feb 8, 2010 10:07:24 pm EST from 24.7.204.40

It can be in Chicago again? or maybe in Indiana?
Wilman.
Wilman.
posted @ Mon, Feb 8, 2010 10:03:44 pm EST from 24.7.204.40

Well i don't know if Gargoyles is continuing for now, but i hope it does, but the Gathering should continue, come on patrick, let the Gathering continue i'll say one more time if Phineas And Ferb are going to have thier convention then Gargoyles should have the convention as well, i'll come and i'll bring my family and maybe a few friends, so please have the Gathering this year?
Wilman.
Wilman.
posted @ Mon, Feb 8, 2010 10:01:57 pm EST from 24.7.204.40

See? There ya go Wilman! That's so much more positive. I'll admit, I'm a very raw newbie to Gargoyles beyond the first series so now I have a few things to research. Thanks Wilman!

Thats why I keep laying around with the avatars, sorry if it's driving anyone nuts. I'm looking for the right one!
Madame M
posted @ Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:49:23 pm EST from 99.141.246.72

Well, I love Ophelia, and Boudicca, as well as the new one Staghart, i'm also a big fan of Robyn Canmore The Recent Hunter, and I love John Castaway I was excited when i read that Bad Guys issue when she tried to turn him from his mad course or at least for him to keep a low profile to avoid arrest and he dismissed her, and in Greg's plan he says thier families will be at odds, i'd like to repeat what someone said about book burning, where siblings turn each other away in the end they will fight. i also love the Quarrymen (i must admit they're better here than they were in the goliath chronicles) and i also love Macbeth, truly, whenever i see the shakespeare play, it's hard for me to see it without thinking of The real Macbeth and the Gargoyles version, anyone have the same problem?
Uggh can't there be another Gathering this year?
Wilman.
Wilman.
posted @ Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:43:32 pm EST from 24.7.204.40

BISHANSKY - Ah, thanks. It's been such a long time since I saw the original pitch - probably too long. I should watch it again soon. (I vaguely remember a few things from it, including the scene with Goliath and Elisa on the subway, Goliath dressed up in a lot of ill-fitting clothes to conceal his gargoyle features. While it was amusing, I'm glad that the series never actually used it.)
Todd Jensen
posted @ Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:30:44 pm EST from 4.244.215.175

Wilman> I think you're being a little thin skinned. Madame M just said that people are who they are and that no one here should try to ram their opinion down anyone else's throat because it just isn't going to do any good, yet you still feel slighted. If someone outright says they aren't trying to call you a name, I think you should take them at their word.

Gargoyles is still running on Disney XD. It's on at 4 AM, which I believe was the slot it had when the channel was ToonDisney, or at least something similar. Is there a chance that Disney will drop it? Sure. But I don't know that Phineas and Ferb or any other show will have a whole lot of influence on that decision. It's on at 4 AM to fill space at a time when not too many people are watching television, a time slot where Disney is probably not going to put any of their newer popular shows.

Right now, the biggest shot for Gargoyles having a future is the comic. Last we heard, Dan Vado of SLG was talking with Disney about a new deal for the license to do graphic novels. The better the paperbacks that are out already sell, the metter his argument is going to be and the more motivated he'll be to keep trying to work out a new deal. If you haven't bought the paperbacks, pick them up. If you have, then tell other people about the comics. The trick is not to just run around telling random people. What you want to do is tell people who you think would have some reason to be interested in Gargoyles, and preferably people who already know you and trust you. If they like fantasy, if they like Scottish history, if they like Star Trek or if they like anything else that somehow relates to Gargoyles, then tell them about it. You can do the same thing to talk up the DVD sets, thought it's going to take a lot more sales to have an effect there. You can write to Disney and tell them that you like the show, or that you would be interested in buying the second half of season two on DVD. You can pick up some of the other Gargoyles merchandise that comes out now and then.
Demonskrye - [<---The Animated Oscars at The Ink and Pixel Club]
posted @ Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:29:47 pm EST from 146.115.115.75

And by not around for awhile I mean new shows. I know it's out there, just not anything new.
Madame M
posted @ Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:21:10 pm EST from 99.141.246.72

But see Wilman, it's not that it's being replaced, Gargoyles hasn't been around for a awhile now. If it was replaced with something, it wasn't Phineas and Ferb since that is relatively new. All people are asking for is to talk about Gargoyles. Like... tell us what is your favorite character and why. I mean, you've been on here a lot and we don't know much about you other than what you don't like. So tell us Wilman, who is your favorite Gargoyle? And why do you like that one so much?
Madame M
posted @ Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:16:25 pm EST from 99.141.246.72

Gargoyles is one of My Favorite Shows and i don't want it to ever go off the air, becuase guys trust me, Disney could put it off the Air on Disney XD, with the ratings of thier other shows including Phineas and Ferb, they could replace Gargoyles For Good! Do you really want that to happen?
Wilman.
Wilman.
posted @ Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:13:45 pm EST from 24.7.204.40

i was talking about saving Gargoyles from being replaced by Phineas And Ferb, you saw how it took all of Gargoyles' spots on Disney XD, and now it'll have it's own convention while Gargoyles will not! AND IT'S LOWER THAN GARGOYLES, SO I"M TRYING TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, what can i do, i want to help Gargoyles!
Wilman.
Wilman.
posted @ Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:10:19 pm EST from 24.7.204.40

that's still sounds like an insult to me!
Wilman.
Wilman.
posted @ Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:07:19 pm EST from 24.7.204.40

Gargoyleslady> Probably a little of both. Being around Broadway and Angela is very frustrating for him right now for exactly the reason you mention: it reminds him that Angela chose Broadway over him and he is still alone. He wants some time away from them. He tried to get it by volunteering to stay behind with Goliath while the rest of the clan went to London, but then Broadway and Angela decided to stay and help keep an eye on things while Goliath recovered. Now he probably feels like he can't get even a minute alone without Broadway or Angela or both of them showing up.

Just out of curiosity, do you find it easier or harder to follow what's going on in the comic than to tell what's happening in episodes of the show?

Wilman> I don't think anyone is asking you to leave, just to change the subject. You say you fight for what you believe in, but I'm honestly not sure who or what you're fighting. Personally, I don't care one way or the other about Phineas and Ferb. I mainly engaged in the conversation because I thought what you were planning to do was a bad idea, both for you personally and for accomplishing what you wanted to do. I can't speak for everyone, but I find that the people in here are generally kind and helpful. But not surprisingly, they prefer to talk with people who at least start out wanting to talk about Gargoyles. So far, you've devoted much more of your time here to talking about how much you hate Phineas and Ferb and this crossover fanfic you read (for reasons still nto clear to me. If you hate the show so much, why read a fanfic that's even partly about it?)

If you're willing to drop the whole Phineas and Ferb thing and engage in some conversation about Gargoyles, I think you'll find this to be a pretty welcoming place. But it's your call whether you want to stay or not.
Demonskrye - [<---The Animated Oscars at The Ink and Pixel Club]
posted @ Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:07:01 pm EST from 146.115.115.75

TODD> Actually, it's on the season one DVD if you watch the original pitch.
Greg Bishansky
posted @ Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:04:52 pm EST from 74.88.215.133

BISHANSKY - Really? (I probably should have attended more Gatherings; I must have missed a lot of behind-the-scenes tidbits by not doing so.)
Todd Jensen
posted @ Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:01:08 pm EST from 4.244.214.211

ALGERNON> << I wouldn't be surprised at all if it turned out she was an influence on Demona's original character design.>>

Her original character design was green with black hair.
Greg Bishansky
posted @ Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:58:35 pm EST from 74.88.215.133

Not calling you anything Wilman. Some people are who they are. That's it. Arguing with them, trying to hammer your point at them doesn't work because they believe what they believe. That works on both sides, that's not directed solely at you.
Madame M
posted @ Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:55:49 pm EST from 99.141.246.72

I can't being what i am, what that supposed to mean? I'm A Fanatic Or Something? I thought you guys here are kind or helpful, not name calling or teasing others, i simply fight for what i believe in and if i'm bothering you, you could've just told me to leave, i'd prefer that then being called something or teased! SHEESH!
Wilman.
Wilman.
posted @ Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:17:13 pm EST from 24.7.204.40

In The Gate, when Brooklyn said "Nothing, Killing moonlight" to Broadway and Angela. The expression on his face was clearly one of annoyance. He may have felt like he didn't need to see nor be reminded that Angela chose Broadway. He may also have been thinking something along the lines of "I wanted to get away and they follow me." Any thoughts on this?
Gargoyleslady - [kendal dot renfro at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:39:26 pm EST from 209.235.111.116

Thanks for mentioning that Disney Adventures story, Demonskrye; I'd forgotten about it until some time in the middle of the day, after I commented on Patrick's original comment.

I remember that episode of "X-Men: Evolution" (I didn't click on the link, but I could guess which one from the context); I remember thinking that the scene at the end where Rogue smashed the petrified Mystique was even more unsettling than Demona's "City of Stone" massacre (and that's saying a lot).
Todd Jensen
posted @ Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:50:30 pm EST from 4.244.213.21

DEMONSKRYE: It certainly possible that it was just coincidence, but there's also a scene later in this ep where you see a single tear rolling down stone Mystique's cheek. Not to mention the basic idea of mystique being turned to stone in the first place.

Plus we know Frank Paur worked on both Gargoyles and X-Men: Evolution so I doubt the X-crew where oblivious to the resemblance. You're right of course to point out that Mystique's been around alot longer then Demona. I wouldn't be surprised at all if it turned out she was an influence on Demona's original character design.
Algernon
posted @ Mon, Feb 8, 2010 5:36:08 pm EST from 86.40.0.195

Algernon> It's possible, though I checked on the writer of this episode and he doesn't have any direct connection to Gargoyles. Could be a nod to Demona, so it could just be a completely unrelated line that only reflects the Brotherhood's particular sense of humor.

Of course, Mystique was doing the whole blue skinned redhead thing before Demona was notes in Greg's notebook. And the resemblance is no more than passing, definitely not as close as Elisa and Ellen Yin, and even that I can buy as coincidental.
Demonskrye - [<---The Animated Oscars at The Ink and Pixel Club]
posted @ Mon, Feb 8, 2010 3:32:34 pm EST from 146.115.115.75

Hey guys, Lately I've been re-watching episodes of X-Men evolution on Youtube*, and I think I might have spotted a little in-joke regarding Mystique's resemblance to a certain other Blue-skinned, human-hating redhead. Skip to about 7:15...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNjRSprP7XY

*Before anyone starts wagging their finger at me, I must point out that these vids have been legally uploaded by Marvel themselves which is darn generous of them.
Algernon
posted @ Mon, Feb 8, 2010 1:47:54 pm EST from 86.40.156.79

Thank you Lurker, wow that's pretty interesting, all jokes aside. And that's right, the most recent Godzilla was reproducing asexually. And yah, I'm playing with the avatars.... :P
Madame M
posted @ Mon, Feb 8, 2010 1:31:07 pm EST from 66.240.60.129

Madame M> I know this is late but I just not have the time to post. In repsonse to Godzilla being male, I just always assumed he was. In the American remake Godzilla was a male too, he just reproduced asexually. As for it being canon, after a bit of research I found out that TOHO, the main company responsible for all Godzilla films officially declared him "male".
Lurker
posted @ Mon, Feb 8, 2010 12:42:32 pm EST from 99.33.41.37

The Trio found it enjoyable, if a little unrealistic:

http://gargoyles.dracandros.com/The_Experts

This got me thinking....

"Hunchback of Notre Dame" Gargoyle Audtions

Goliath: Quasimodo, humans fear what they do not understand. They have feared my kind for centuries. But someday, we shall move past appearances and all live...

Casting Director: Cut! Cut! Are you even reading the script? You're supposed to be about to spot on a mime!

Goliath: *sigh*

------

Brooklyn: I was thinking maybe this would go better if I had someone to read off of. Like the actresses tryng out for Laverne? All of them?

Casting Director: Next!

------

Demona: "Paris, the city of lovers, is burning..." Yes, burn you accursed human filth! Burn for what you have..."

Casting Director: Next!

-------

Casting Director: Well? What can you do?

Bronx: OWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO...

Casting Director (over Bron'x's howling): Next!

-------

Feel free to add your own.
Demonskrye - [<---The Animated Oscars at The Ink and Pixel Club]
posted @ Mon, Feb 8, 2010 11:40:27 am EST from 146.115.115.75

PATRICK - Good one. I'd almost forgotten that Disney take on gargoyles.
Todd Jensen
posted @ Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:22:39 am EST from 4.244.212.145

Todd > Another "Gargoyle" story that will never be written: In 1482, Demona attempts to form a new clan in Paris... but the only three gargoyles she can find have no legs and are always bursting into song.
Patrick
"If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe." - Carl Sagan
posted @ Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:04:40 am EST from 173.88.135.205

GREGARIUS - Indeed I did. Thanks.

A "GARGOYLES" STORY THAT WILL NEVER BE WRITTEN, NO MATTER HOW MANY GRAPHIC NOVELS GREG WEISMAN AND SLAVE LABOR GRAPHICS WILL GET TO MAKE: A strange rift between worlds opens in New York, and a group of little gargoyles with names like Lassie and Ralph fall through it, little gargoyles who are more interested in partying than in protecting. Goliath and his clan have to protect *them* as they adjust to a New York different from the one that they knew in their home-world, and in particular, have to warn them that the antagonists in this world, such as Xanatos and Demona, are much more dangerous and competent than the little gargoyles' opponents, such as Xavier and Dakota, in their home-world.
Todd Jensen
posted @ Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:31:58 am EST from 4.244.212.145

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