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by "Ill met by Midnight" are Gabriel and Opheila allready chosen mates or do they decide that later? seeing as how Tom and Katherine are human and raised the gargs as brothers and sisters in a human fashion what is T and K's reaction to the coupling of the eggs? if i am wrong in how they were raised than correct me, please, but neither Tom nor Katherine was very knowledgable in garg customs, were they? did they raise the gargs in a garg way as best they could or just as they would human children and garg instincts took over for the rest?
Moonlight, not midnight.
You're mostly wrong. I think Tom and Katharine and the Magus realized that these eggs represented an entire generation, not just a bunch of siblings. Relationships developed. Some fraternal, others romantic. The humans attempted to mimic gargoyle customs, which the Magus had some information on.
And Gabe and Ophelia were certainly romantically involved by Ill Met.
do all the clans of 1996 have beasts, or at least beast eggs?
Maybe.
i have a question about gargoyle customs. you've said that Opheila is Gabriel's second in command and for a time, Demona was Goliath's second, is it common among gargs to choose their mate as second? if so, isn't that unfair to the other gargs hoping to become second, or am i thinking too much like a human?
You're generally thinking too much like a human.
The bigger issue over time is age. A second should be in a position to be groomed to take over for his leader, either in case of an emergency (as when Brooklyn took over for Goliath during the World Tour) or in the case of succession, as when the older Hudson stepped down in favor of the younger Goliath.
Had things gone differently at Wyvern, eventually either Demona would have stepped down to allow a new second to be chosen from the younger generation (most likely Brooklyn) OR Goliath would have stepped aside to allow Demona to lead and chose a new younger Second (again, most likely Brooklyn).
It's largely a meritocracy otherwise. Hudson chose Goliath as his second based on a myriad of positive qualities but primarily integrity, intelligence, natural leadership abilities and a genuine ferocity in battle.
Goliath in turn selected Demona for the same qualities. *He was just mistaken about the integrity.*
As for Avalon, the situation is a bit different, as all the gargs there are of the same generation. Originally Gabriel was chosen as leader and one of his many rookery-siblings Angela was chosen as his second. When Angela left, Gabriel did select his mate as his second, at least for the time being. But you can bet Ophelia was qualified -- look how she performed even when wounded in Avalon Part Three -- or he would not have chosen her. Does nepotism play a part. Possibly. But I'd think that the qualities necessary would have to be even more obvious to avoid charges of nepotism.
In London, Una is the leader of the clan. Her second, whom we have not yet met, is of a younger generation and generally runs things at their more rural (or at least suburban) estate.
In Japan, Kai was the leader. Yama, of a younger generation, was his second. After Yama's banishment, Yama's mate Sora was probably chosen as Second (though don't hold me to that). Again Sora's chosen for her attributes and (relative) youth. Someday -- short of a catastrophe taking place -- she will lead the clan in Kai's place.
In Guatemala, Zafiro is the leader. His second is not his mate Obsidiana, but Turquesa, Jade's mate. They are all of the same generation, but they are also the only gargs alive down there at the moment. (Not counting the eggs.)
Happy New Year, Greg. My question focuses on the Chinese clan. You mentioned that Fu Dog came from there, and that he was named that because he looked like a foo-dog. In case you were unaware (though I seriously doubt it), the foo-dog is actually a representation of a lion. Lions aren't native to China, but their image was present on gifts given to the Chinese Emperor. Lion statues were then built at the entrance of temples, tombs and official buildings to guard them and ward off evil. They became associated with Buddha ("Fo" in Chinese) and were also called "lions of Korea" and "shismi dogs".
So my question is (in three parts):
1a) Does Fu Dog really resemble a lion? (you said in a post once that you had "a fairly clear idea" of Fu Dog's design).
b) If so, do the majority of the other members of the Chinese clan also resemble mammals, as the London clan does?
c) If your answer to "b" is no, would their general physical structure be closer to Goliath's, or Zaphiro's, or something all-together different?
Keep in mind, legends always have a basis in truth. That doesn't mean they are wholey accurate. Fu Dogs were probably based (in the gargoyles universe) on Chinese gargoyle beasts.
1a. There may be some passing resemblance to a lion.
1b. You're jumping to conclusions, which I'll neither confirm or deny.
1c. My answer to b wasn't no.
Hey Greg,
1)Who is the leader of the London clan right now?
2)Who is his/her second? Now.
3)In M.I.A. we only saw three gargoyles that belonged to this clan. What other types of animals could these gargoyles look like? Say Gorillas? Llamas? Dogs? What?
Thank you
1. Una.
2. We haven't met that garg yet.
3. No. What you saw is what you get.
[1] The first time I watched _Possession_ I pretty much took it for granted how much Coldfire and Coldsteel resembled 'Desdemona' and 'Iago'. It makes sense when you're used to half-baked comic book logic (not to disrespect your own fine work in the field), but Gargoyles takes great pains to create a more, erm, well-done and realistic (or at least snarkily pseudo-scientific :P) universe. On later viewings, I was compelled to contemplate further. The techniques used in creating the Steel Clan wouldn't apply here, I think. The techies at Scarab Corp. (or wherever) probably had lots of old security tapes of Goliath to pore over as much as they liked, but it's hard to imagine how that'd work with the Legionnaires. Was the likeness of design only in animation, then?
[2] Likewise, with the the WWII statue in London, which off-the-bat was recognizable as being of Goliath and Griff. Was its sculptor working solely off of Sir Douglas' accounts? (Pilots are generally more observant than the average bear, and from the impression he made on you as a kid, he musta made one heckuva eyewitness. It still is kind of a stretch, though...)
1. You're forgetting Puck. And various memory chips inside Coldstone.
2. I always thought that that statue was funded by Leo and Una. Ostensibly as a memorial to the Battle of Britain, but really as a memorial to Griff and Goliath.
Dear Greg,
You mentioned that Bronx and Boudicca are mates, and that they will mate again. Will any from the Avalon clan (Including Boudicca) go to Manhattan?
Thanx
Boudicca's already been once.
There may be exchange programs worked out in the future.
Dear Greg,
When do suppose the New Olympian clan will make there presence known? You have mentioned that they are somewhat isolationist even with the New Olympians, so it seems unlikely that they would willingly venture into the outside world.
It'll be a while.
Griff was going to be Una's mate but dissappeared before they could and she ended up mating with Leo, correct? if so, isn't that quite wierd for all three of them now that Griff is back, he obviously must've had feelings for Una and now her and his friend are together. would all this have anything to do with the reason Griff decided to stay with Arthur and not return to London?
Yes. And yes.
okay, Zafiro and Obsidiana are mates, and Jade and Turquesa are mates, correct? were they all mates before the Guatemalan clan was destroyed or after? i ask this cuz i wonder if they became mates with each other for the continuation of the clan (after the massacre) or it was coincidence that the four pendant wearers were also mates.
Maybe not coincidence, but they were already mates.
The not coincidence part is that if you are thrown together often enough, something might spark.
is there a clan leader of the Avalon clan? is it Gabriel or do they consider Goliath to be their clan leader?
Gabriel is the leader.
how many eggs are in guatemala in 1996?
what year were the other clan members destroyed?
having the ability to function in daylight, wouldn't it be a top priority for the pendant wearers to watch over the pyramid, clan, and amulet during the day? why then were ALL four of them away the day the pyramid was raided and the clan destroyed? were they tricked?
I don't think they were intentionally tricked, but it worked out that way.
I don't have the chronology solidified yet, but I figure there are between twenty and forty eggs.
1)What is the world population of gargoyles in 1996 excluding gargoyle beasts?
1. I don't know exactly.
Do the trio have any blood-siblings on Avalon>
Potentially.
You must have reached this point in your timeline: When were Griff, Leo and Una hatched?
1898.
And no, I haven't gotten to M.I.A. either in the present. But because I knew it had a flashback scene, I actually did the 1940 stuff before I started on the other episodes. That lead to figuring out their hatchdate.
I was looking through the archives and i found that you had said a LONG time ago that Yama was in his late twenties (biologically) in 1996. doesn't this mean that he already has had the oppurtunity to mate (at 20)? also, how many generations older is Kai than Yama and Sora?
I'm still working on my timeline revision, and I haven't gotten to these details as yet. I'm currently working on December of 1995, so I haven't yet dealt with the episode Bushido in any detail, and thus the ramifications of that episode -- even those that predate 1995 -- still haven't been accounted for in the revised document. Instead of guessing, I'd rather you give me the next six months to figure it out correctly once and for all. My goal is to be done by the next Gathering in Los Angeles.
I was wondering, you know all the Gargoyles on Avalon? Would they every rejoin the Gargoyles in New York? If so for what reason?
I'm not sure what you mean by "rejoin".
Clan questions:
1) In the Egyptian episode, "Grief," Angela suggests that the sphinx looks like giant gargoyle. We know from the clans contest that there is not currently a clan in Egypt. Was there at one time an Egyptian clan that died out or was destroyed?
2) On a related note, you said that the New Olympus gargoyles left Greece with the New Olympians. Again from the clan contest we know that there is not currently a Greek clan. Assuming there was once a Greek clan, did they all go to New Olympus, or did some stay behind to die out or be destroyed?
3) I'm not asking you to tell the stories now, but do you have them planned out for use perhaps in Timedancer?
(Note: I'm thinking about gathering a list of "untold stories" you've hinted at. [Greg replies: "I know, but I'm not telling now."] The more unanswered questions I come up with, the more eager and impatient I am for the return of Gargoyles.)
1. Possibly.
2. The latter. Though not all the New Olympian gargs came from Greece. Some came from other mediterranean locations.
3. Which stories?
why do gargoyles eventually colonize Queen Florence Island? is it because their numbers are so small that if they don't all group together they'll go extinct?
It's actually out of the successful rebounding of the species that they decide to add a new clan. They have largely maxed out the capacity of the twelve sites they have.
did the gargoyle clans in the americas migrate over the bering strait from asia with the humans or did the get there some other way?
You mean the Mayan clan? Yes, probably.
Cause the Manhattan clan was shipped over in boxes. The Labyrinth clan was cloned from the Manhattan Clan, and the Queen Florence Island clan will someday be made up of Gargs who colonize it from all over the world. (But that won't be for a while.)
About when did the London clan first open the magic shop? (If you don't know the exact year, then the general period in English history that you see it take place - i.e., Tudor, Stuart, Georgian, Victorian, etc.)
Pre-Tudor.
Ishimura Clan questions:
1. After seeing the memo recently posted on naming schemes used in the series, I was wondering if any specific pattern was used with the Ishimura clan?
2. I don't know how involved you were with the individual names of the Ishimura clan, but what does Kai's name mean? Sora and Yama have only one kanji character associated with their names (yama: "mountain, hill, knoll," sora: "sky, heavens, air"), but there are over 40 kanji characters that are pronounced "KAI".
1. I believe so. Yama means mountain, and I vaguely recall that the other names Sora and Kai meant something too. Can't remember what anymore, though. Sorry.
2. Oh. So Sora means sky. That just leaves Kai. Might it mean "Leader"? I just can't remember. But you can ask Story Editor Gary Sperling at the 2001 Gathering in Los Angeles this June.
Which Gargoyle clan excluding the Manhatten, labrinth, and Avalon clans have the largest population of Gargoyles?
I haven't counted.
Does the stuff in the gargoyles bible saying that gargoyles are dragons in China still true?
thats not exactly what the bible said
Greg:
Did gargoyles ever travel to india
Ever? Sure. Migrated.
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