There could be any number of variables contributing to the delays. For instance, I believe that post-covid supply shortages in the printing industry are still a problem. And I've been told that when it comes to comic books, Marvel and DC tend to get priority at the printing firms due to how much business they bring in, which makes sense. So if a job needs to get pushed for supply or labor reasons, it's going to be one for a smaller publisher such as Dynamite. I agree with Ed that Disney's approvals process is a likely culprit, especially since we know that was a major problem in the SLG run. But we really have no way of knowing for certain, and at the end of the day, us knowing or not knowing doesn't change the situation.

I find as I get older that Hudson's words in "Long Way to Morning" are very accurate: I've learned how to wait. Sure, I wish we could have a new issue every single day, but I'm happy to take 'em as they come. That being said, my main concern is the more casual fans who are expressing frustration over these delays and may lose track of the book. I worry that the constantly shifting release dates, and especially the poor communication surrounding the changes, could impact sales. But from what Greg has said, as of now, it seems that sales remain strong, thankfully.
Craig
posted @ Fri, Jul 26, 2024 3:00:13 pm EDT from 12.74.53.70

Sorry, I should have said "licensed comic" not "creator owned" comic below.
Ed
posted @ Fri, Jul 26, 2024 12:25:45 pm EDT from 86.157.146.187

While the delays are obviously understandable, it seems like the last ~9 months have been particularly troubled (or the comic's first ~9 months were particularly blessed I guess) and this year's delays have felt worse since there's no sign of another spin-off to cover the gaps. I hoped Quest would be immune from these issues since it was being worked on so far in advance. Very much a gift horse/mouth situation compared to where we were two years ago but not what I'd have hoped for in the anniversary year and it does hurt the book's momentum a fair bit. I just hope sales remain resilient - the anniversary should help stem any attrition but obviously it will have some impact.

Although it's frustrating, it's in nobody's interests for it to happen and all we can really do is be patient. Aside from the usual issues - supply chain disruptions, illness/injury and so forth - Disney seem to be a lot more involved at a very granular level this time just from the anecdotes we've heard (and I'm sure there's more we haven't). I can imagine if they request big changes late (or drag their heels on approval) on that could lead to some of the delays we've been seeing - especially if the artists are now on other projects. For example, people here spotted that Shari wasn't very true to the model but imagine the disruption if they'd asked for #1 and #2 to be redrawn to correct that.

Actually, the Disney thing reminds me of an anecdote told to me by the lead artist on another creator owned comic in the UK in the 90s - one, I might say, that never had a late issue in 8 years. Apparently, and I'm retelling from memory but I'm sure I have the gist, very early on there was a meeting with the licence-holder to discuss what was happening in the comic. In the meeting there were the creative team of the book, the licence-holder and representative of a company called Copyright Promotions who was employed to make sure that the licence was utilised "correctly", that the characters were on model and so forth - they didn't just review comics but shampoo and all sorts. The lady from Copyright Promotions entered with a massive ring binder dotted with tabs. It was a binder bulging with evidence of "infractions" that the comic had already inflicted upon the franchise in its first few weeks publishing. Seeing the danger ahead, the artist and writer very quickly got in by way of preamble that they felt their priority was to create a really great comic that told excellent stories, that they had extremely positive early feedback and that ultimately good stories would be more successful at supporting the brand than worrying overly about following an incredibly prescriptive set of rules. The licence-holder enthusiastically agreed. The massive ring-binder was quietly moved under the table and was never seen again.

Sadly, in a company as large and as old as Disney, you're never going to be able to get senior enough to get to the person who says, "Don't sweat it." In Greg's anecdotes about the creation of the show it was Eisner. But now there'll be ten layers of bureaucracy and each layer will be worried about their job and reputation if they get it "wrong". After all, in a company as diversified as Disney, inaction is often far safer than wrong action. Moreover, 'Gargoyles' is a tricky property in many ways - hundreds of characters, many different cultures and identities being represented (at a time where Disney has the zeal of the convert in paying attention to that sort of thing), very dense storytelling for people who aren't fans to scrutinise and track, lots of dense references (e.g. "Tale As Old As Time")... you can see why even a well-meaning person in these kinds of approval offices would issue a weary sigh when 'Gargoyles' stuff would come in and it only takes a few "let me get back to you on this" moments to really scupper a comic's schedule.

To be clear, I have zero knowledge that what I'm describing is causing any specific delays - what I'm describing is purely illustrative. But I wouldn't be surprised if one day we hear similar kinds of stories about this era just because this is the nature of licensed comics.

On a separate note, [SPOILER] I did instantly twig that Wyvern would be guarding the treasure which made the solicitation even more irritating but there were still loads of great surprises such as him being a "3". I had always assumed that Wyvern was significant because of Goliath and the clan but that it didn't have a particular global significance by itself. But Wyvern's character challenges that assumption in a pretty major way. I'm very intrigued to see more of him and enjoyed that his bigotry led him astray. And very pleased to see the Illuminati numbering return.

Also, having Falstaff, Prospero, Puck and Othello in the same story means we really need Macbeth to return.

I look forward to Wednesday (or whenever it is) so I can read the issue again. [/SPOILER]
Ed
posted @ Fri, Jul 26, 2024 12:24:30 pm EDT from 86.157.146.187

Amazon officially changed the Kindle release date for Quest 4: it's now October 2nd, like the physical release. The physical release for Quest 5 still says September 18th, but of course that's of no value, and it looks like the actual date will be October 30th like Amazon says. So the bad news is that we'll have to wait until October to learn how this dang story ends, but the good news is that these dates are so ridiculously far away that it looks unlikely the issues will be delayed again.

So... victory?
CarumboZabumbo
Noi siamo le creature della notte! Noi siamo... i Gargoyles!
posted @ Fri, Jul 26, 2024 5:03:37 am EDT from 79.21.55.253

BRAINIAC - Thanks for the alert. I finally got to read the summary of Act Three [SPOILER] and particularly liked the part where, first, Lexington turns out to be Brentwood in disguise, and then he's revealed to actually be Lexington disguised as Brentwood disguised as Lexington - now there's a bizarre twist for you [/SPOILER]
Todd Jensen
posted @ Thu, Jul 25, 2024 9:18:00 pm EDT from 68.99.93.213

The newest Radio Play page is now mostly complete on the GargWiki with synopsis, tidbits, and cast. If you're familiar with the previous Radio Play pages, you may note a few things traditionally included currently missing; we're hoping to get those added sooner rather than later. Stay tuned.
Brainiac - [OSUBrainiac at gmail dot com]
There is balance in all things. Live in symmetry with the world around you. If you must blow things up and steal from those around you, THAT'S WHAT RPGS ARE FOR!
posted @ Thu, Jul 25, 2024 12:55:49 pm EDT from 129.137.96.2

TODD> This happens all the time, especially with licensed comic books and smaller publishers. Hell, even Marvel and DC suffer delays.
Greg Bishansky
posted @ Wed, Jul 24, 2024 8:51:10 pm EDT from 67.189.200.184

I've been wondering for a while why the many delays. Have other comics from Dynamite had similar delayed release problems, or is it mainly "Gargoyles" that's been having these difficulties? Have other comics companies been going through the same thing? Does anyone here have enough familiarity with how the comics industry works to be able to answer these questions?
Todd Jensen
posted @ Wed, Jul 24, 2024 7:55:00 pm EDT from 68.99.93.213

Matt > Oh yeah. I was not in a million years expecting to see [SPOILER] Wyvern in that context, uttering the word "Three." [/SPOILER] The game of the previews being sort-of accurate but not really has become a fun, essential part of the experience. I still wonder how much of that is deliberate obfuscation and how much is Greg changing his plans since the solicits have to be written so far in advance before scripts are written. Hopefully someday that will make for a fun discussion on Voices from The Eyrie, when they reach the comics.
Craig
posted @ Wed, Jul 24, 2024 6:59:38 pm EDT from 107.122.189.123

Craig> True, but the [SPOILER] reveal of Wyvern as Treasurer totally surprised me. I was expecting Brentwood and Thailog battling a dragon in Scotland, so Thailog and Shari making a delivery to Eastcheap had me fooled. Even the idea of a treasury with a guardian that you "can't miss" didn't clue me in. Once again, we learn not to trust the solicitations that much. I mean is someone ever going to get around to stealing a gargoyle egg?! [/SPOILER]
Matt
"And, thus, given no choice, we waited..." - Alesand, "The Reach"
posted @ Wed, Jul 24, 2024 6:36:36 pm EDT from 47.233.90.133

I'm actually kind of glad that Dynamite isn't soliciting the next Gargoyles title yet. Part of the reason the release date schedule is so funky is that they got way ahead of themselves on solicitations and didn't account for the delays that were occurring. I get that the nature of the industry these days is to be previewing issues 3-4 months in advance, but due to delays, we got the solicitation for Quest #3 SEVEN months before the issue came out (and thus have known for seven months that [SPOILER] Wyvern would appear in the issue [/SPOILER]).
Craig
posted @ Wed, Jul 24, 2024 6:28:12 pm EDT from 107.122.189.59

Carumbo> Agreed, the schedule is goofy. I sure hope we have Quest wrapped up by Halloween at least, no matter when stuff is released. I'm hoping that both the follow up series to Quest and (HOPE HOPE HOPE) another spinoff is announced soon. The waits were a lot easier when we had two books ongoing.

Also, I think I agree with you about [SPOILER] the moment Puck pick pockets Oberon. It does seem that the punishment scene would've had Puck too distracted and the iron harpoon would've given him more of an opportunity. That said, there was a mystical connection between them when Oberon was banishing Puck and that would've been convenient cover for the theft, so it works for me. I wonder when/if Oberon realized that the Flute was missing! [/SPOILER]
Matt
"And, thus, given no choice, we waited..." - Alesand, "The Reach"
posted @ Wed, Jul 24, 2024 6:11:14 pm EDT from 47.233.90.133

Sorry for the double post, but this feels like worthwhile news; I went to check the dates for the physical publication and Kindle release of Quest 4&5, and this is what came up:
Quest 4 (physical): October 2nd. https://www.previewsworld.com/Catalog/FEB240249
Quest 4 (Kindle): July 31st.
Quest 5 (physical): September 18th. https://www.previewsworld.com/Catalog/MAR240208
Quest 5 (Kindle): October 30th.

I... have no words.
CarumboZabumbo
Noi siamo le creature della notte! Noi siamo... i Gargoyles!
posted @ Wed, Jul 24, 2024 5:25:54 pm EDT from 79.21.55.253

Craig - [SPOILER] Yeah, fair enough; I should admittedly make more of a distinction between what Dynamite will allow and what Disney will allow. [/SPOILER]
CarumboZabumbo
Noi siamo le creature della notte! Noi siamo... i Gargoyles!
posted @ Wed, Jul 24, 2024 5:11:15 pm EDT from 79.21.55.253

CarumboZabumbo > [SPOILER]
I don't think Dynamite has stricter censorship rules than SLG; after all, they publish some pretty racy stuff. I think it's far more likely that Disney's internal censorship/review policies have tightened under the current people who are in charge of that. For instance, the previously-uncensored Fantagraphics Carl Barks collections have depressingly started to become censored, in the volumes released over the past three years or so.
[/SPOILER]
Craig
posted @ Wed, Jul 24, 2024 4:58:33 pm EDT from 107.122.189.45

Read Quest 3; another really good issue.

[SPOILER] Nice, if brief, fight scene to start the issue - that "Coldstone standing in mid-air" pose is particularly majestic; Lex lamenting that Coldstone is making it impossible to figure out who is controlling the tin cans - with Coldstone doing whatever the cybercorpse equivalent of "sweat" is - is a cute moment.

So... how come Owen is still alive? Demona could have easily killed him to stop him from revealing anything to the Clan; I guess maybe she was afraid that by killing him she would draw the ire of Oberon and/or Titania, but it would have been nice to clarify it.

Sorry if I repeat myself, but while I like the idea of Puck stealing back his flute from Oberon during The Gathering, I still think Greg picked the wrong moment for it: rather than being right after Puck was begging for mercy, it should have been a bit earlier, when Oberon was weakened because Petros Xanatos had shot an iron harpoon into his chest. Yes, it's a nitpick, but still.

It looks like I got one thing right but several others wrong: it's confirmed, like I said, that the destruction of the original Keys gave a power-up to the new ones ("The mystic energy once contained within the original vessels will most certainly have sought out three new Keys" - I hope that at some point we'll get a fuller explanation on how and why this happened, because "nature abhors a vacuum" isn't quite enough, IMO), but I was wrong about the Hand of Valmont being one of the new Keys, meaning that 1)the new Keys, aside from Gugnir, are not directly connected to the originals and 2)again, aside from Gugnir they aren't directly connected with Duval/Valmont/Valois/Valdez either.

Goliath claims that, if Demona has already achieved all three Keys, "humanity may well be doomed"; gee, you could be a bit more hopeful there, mate - after all, you're the guy who defeated the last person who had joined together the Keys.

Still, Goliath's words allow us to get a nice expression from Angela, perfectly drawn by Qualano (who is getting better and better). Then we get the Illuminati conference scene, and... ok, why are Peredur, Duval and Fleur all sitting on the ground? I'm sure there's a reason for it, but it looks goofy as heck. Nice to finally have a version of Duval not drawn by David "whoever allowed me to draw for a living should be tried for treason" Hedgecock, and it's now 100% confirmed (not that there was much doubt about it, but you may never know) that Peredur is Rank 1.

(Another thing I was wrong about: the White Council is in fact known to the Illuminati as an external enemy; last issue, I had theorized that they were an interal dissident faction. Oh well.)

Duval immediately demands that the Hand be brought to him (because it's his hand, cough cough), but instead we get back to Eastcheap Island, which I didn't expect; meanwhile, as I already said, we get our best Demona scene in a long time, where she considers for a moment reconnecting with Angela but then decides to move on with her plan (her thinking about it is the best thing Qualano has drawn yet).

Falstaff makes his first appearance in colour, and as far as I'm concerned the fact that his hair are red is the big plot twist of the miniseries; he's also a Rank 5, which is interesting - along with Quincy Hemings, he's another relatively young guy who outranks Shari, despite the fact that she's been with the Illuminati at least since the tenth century; how the system of promotions works is just one of the many things I'd like to know about them.

Wyvern being there on Eastcheap, I couldn't have guessed in a million years - but it admittedly makes sense, he's a classic Dragon protecting his hoard and Eastcheap has the biggest hoard in the world; and he's an official Illuminatus to boot, a Rank 3 no less! Wonder what kind of deal he made with Peredur (at a guess something simple, "you protect this stuff and we'll bring ever more stuff to you but once in a while you must let us take something we need").

It's confirmed that the Hand of Valmont got its power like in the radio play, which gives us a nice reference to the most hardcore scene in the entire franchise (sadly without a flashback, possibly because Dynamite has stricter censorship standards than SLG); Thailog calls Gugnir "dubious prize" and "stick" - wonder if that's something that'll come back to bite him in the behind or if his role in this story is over. Weird/potentially interesting that he seems so dismissive of magic - it doesn't seem like the sort of thing that Xanatos would program him with (he may not be a magician, but has more respect for magic than that), so I wonder where it came from (maybe the fact that he's never had to face it on a big scale yet?).

Here's something I didn't think we'd ever see again: Goliath and Elisa back at the Clock Tower! And if Goliath before was a bit too pessimistic, Elisa here is a bit too optimistic - sure, don't give in to despair, but no, it's not "okay" that you've been unable to find Demona and the Keys, girl, come on.

Nice montage with the Clan searching - and just like that, we've finally moved beyond the Halloween Special! Toni just buying the last Key at an auction is a bit of an anticlimax, not gonna lie. And so the set-up is complete, and now comes the hard part: giving us a satisfying finish; honestly, from the next two issues will depend how the entire story is received, at least as far as I'm concerned. [/SPOILER]

But still, let me repeat: this was a really good issue.
CarumboZabumbo
Noi siamo le creature della notte! Noi siamo... i Gargoyles!
posted @ Wed, Jul 24, 2024 4:50:09 pm EDT from 79.21.55.253

Looks like Quest #3 has been removed from Amazon. I can no longer access the issue on my computer, but it still works on my phone app.

[SPOILER]
Minor pedantic point, but the title "Acquisitions" is italicized. (The title for issue 1, "Questions," was not italicized. The title for the second issue was, but presumably only because it was in Latin.)

And, of course, "Acquisitions" technically breaks the pattern of titles starting with the letter Q. Which is fine...I'd far rather see a title appropriate for the story than have Greg twisting himself into pretzels trying to fit some pattern. I love a good title, and I feel that sometimes these attempts to fit a pattern lead to titles that aren't that great ("Louse" springs to mind).

I don't love Coldstone's line, "Then there is no need to temper our righteous fury!" Greg seems to be writing Coldstone in a very stilted manner lately, even moreso than usual. The fact that he's lying/playing a role may have something to do with this, but I'm still not crazy about it. Jade, on the other hand, gets right to the point: "ATTACK!!" :)

Nice to see Coldfire getting in on the action.

Great to see Owen finally getting to play a prominent role in the comics. Very cool reveal of him there, with his face in shadow except for the glasses. Obviously, as an Owen/Puck fanboy, I loved all that stuff. "Mystically picked his pocket," the Pied Piper reference. Great stuff.

Hmmm. So apparently Jade and Turquesa didn't engage with Demona in Buenos Aires? But they got a good enough look to see that she was holding a lance-head, and for some reason attached specific significance to that. And then just went back to their skiff? I'm a bit perplexed by all of that.

Very clever, that Demona waited until Alex was out of the castle before attacking so that Owen would be stuck in mortal form.

Both Angela and Demona get really nice reaction shots, when confronted with references to one another. I appreciate Greg leaving room for these quiet character beats despite how dense the plot is.

As several of you suspected, the Hand of Valmont was merely a decoy, not actually one of the Three Keys. A bit disappointing, as I love all things "val"-related; still, we get to see Duval in the flesh, which I wasn't expecting! "Illuminati Skype call" was not on my bingo card. Love the "Three. Two One." countdown.

Matt mentioned the oddity of Peredur, Fleur and Duval's sitting positions. What I find even more intriguing is the fact that none of them ever looks at the camera. Peredur almost seems to be getting nonverbal signals from Fleur, given how intently the two are looking at one another while he speaks. It seems to give Fleur a power over the conversation even though she never says anything.

Greg seems to have changed the spelling of Ragnal, from one L to two.

Very cool touch that Owen can't state any information that's exclusive to Puck.

I agree with Matt that Demona's "not yet" has a rather fatal, tragic ring to it. There will always be a reason to put off reconciliation, until it's too late.

Great to see Eastcheap again, and in fabulous technicolor! Like Matt, I was surprised by Falstaff's red hair, but I suppose dye is a thing.

I'm also surprised that Falstaff's rank is so high. For a petty thief from Sydney, he's certainly done all right for himself. I wonder what specific value he brings to the organization that allowed him to rise so far?

I like the line "hand the hand over."

Is it me, or does Wyvern look more...wyvern-like? In the big double-page splash, his arms aren't in evidence, and it seems like they should be. Anyway, what a great re-introduction that is for the character. Terrific art, terrific coloring.

Love Thailog getting offended at Wyvern saying he smells "wrong," and Shari tactfully moving things along. Also really love seeing her storytelling powers in action again, and working on a freaking dragon no less! If she keeps being this awesome, she's going to become my favorite character in the whole series.

I think it should be spelled "overweening," not "over-weaning," which...changes the meaning somewhat.

What is up with that goofy, impressionistic gargoyle portrait in Wyvern's stash?

I'm really curious to see what Antoinette stands to benefit from Demona's plans. She continues to be a very intriguing character.
[/SPOILER]

Overall, I'm sad that there are only two issues left, but very happy with what we've gotten so far. Well worth the wait.
Craig
posted @ Wed, Jul 24, 2024 4:11:26 pm EDT from 12.74.53.10

Thanks for flagging up the release, Matt. I'm not going to do a review at this point - maybe another day, if time allows - but it was another very enjoyable issue.
Ed
posted @ Wed, Jul 24, 2024 12:20:38 pm EDT from 31.94.58.13

The one great thing about delays and rescheduled release dates is that it confuses the heck out of Amazon. I got an email from Amazon last week saying that Quest 3 was rescheduled for July 24 and nothing since. So, I thought the odds were decent that it 3 could be released digitally a week before its official date. And turns out thats what happened! At 11pm, Quest 3 downloaded to my kindle! Was very glad to see it. It has been a while, folks!

Spoiler-y thoughts below. As usual, I've talked to no one since reading this so I'm sure I've missed stuff, but these are my initial thoughts!

[SPOILER] - The battle continues at the Castle. The Clan seems to have little trouble taking down the exo-frames. I particularly enjoyed seeing Jade trash one. One of those lovely "nature overcoming technology" moments. And great seeing Coldfire blast them too. Lex doesn't engage, but rather plays to his strengths: figuring out who is behind this attack. Except that he can't. Coldstone has destroyed all of the "good parts". This feels quite intentional on Coldstone's part. Clever.

- Owen explains what happened. Lots of fun and interesting stuff here. The mystical pick-pocketing. The flute's increase in power lately. The Pied Piper note. Good stuff and Owen is putting things together fast for our heroes thanks to the intel from Jade and Turquesa (thanks, Avalon!). And as some of Demona's plan comes into the light we get that beat on Angela, clearly distressed. Here goes her mother with another plot to doom humanity.

- Demona, meanwhile, is having a great time. Everything in Quest is going quite to plan and she is showing a lot of patience and glee in how things are playing out. The relationship between Demona and Antoinette continues to intrigue. Clearly, Demona is withholding information from the human and is happy to manipulate and use her. But Antoinette isn't a dummy and has to know that Demona is dangerous. And yet... maybe doesn't care? We'll have to see how this continues to play out, but as we've discussed before Antoinette and Coldstone are both playing with fire and it appears to only be a matter of time before they get burned.

- Moving on to our other antagonistic human-gargoyle pair, Thailog and Shari. These two also have a fascinating dynamic here. Very "Who's The Boss?" to me. On one hand, they act somewhat like equals. But then Thailog is clearly the leader. Except that Shari outranks him in the Illuminati and often is more knowledgeable, so its complex and fun. We get their communication with the folks at Carbonek who appear to be sitting on the floor? Their stance here is odd to me. Anyway, a bit of half-truths from Thailog about the Hand is fun. And Duval's immediate interest in it is noteworthy but gets us no closer to solving the "val character" mystery. They order the Hand be sent to the Treasurer at Eastcheap. Here I was excited that a Falstaff cameo was coming, but I had no idea...

- Meanwhile, I liked seeing how Oberon's punishment of Puck (and Puck's deal with Xanatos) have made him unable to even say things as Owen that only Puck knows. Very cool. Coldstone tells Demona that the Clan is on to her, but can't find her which seems to bother her little. What perhaps bothers her more in Coldstone telling her about Angela's desire for reconciliation. This gives her pause. Maybe she even thinks, momentarily, of stopping her plot. But no. Not now. Not yet. A poignant scene that is easy to overlook in a chapter as packed as this one, but I get the feeling that this is how the Demona-Angela relationship is going to play out: Angela reaching out, and Demona, unwilling to stop her hate and her plans always putting off her daughter. Perhaps until it is too late. Angela gives up on Demona or dies and Demona regrets always putting of reconciliation until some other time. Sad.

- Thailog and Shari arrive at Eastcheap. Fun to be here again especially after just seeing the Bad Guys Leica Reel at Convergence a few weeks ago. We are back! And so is Falstaff complete with reddish hair and beard. His hair seemed black as a young man and white or gray in Bad Guys, so the red stuck out to me. We finally get his Illuminati rank, which is cool. Shari continues to greet another old friend. She sure knows a lot of important people. But do they really know her? So much mystery with Shari, though we are learning more all of the time. And Falstaff isn't the Treasurer! Instantly, I was thinking "uh, then who is?!" One of Falstaff's gang? That didn't feel right. But I got the sense it was someone we've met. Still, I was floored when it was none other than Wyvern the Dragon! And he's got an Illuminati rank and all. I guess his stance on humans has softened a bit over the last thousand years since he's joined a human-led organization, but his distrust and prejudices are still there. Lot of questions here though: did Dingo see Wyvern when Falstaff showed him the treasury? Would Wyvern give up items should his human superiors in the Illuminati require them? A lot seems to have happened in Wyvern's life since 971. Yeesh. I like how he recognizes Thailog as a "cousin", but something about the gargoyle smells "wrong". Presumably, this is due to being a clone. Before we can go much farther, Shari begins weaving a tale and entrances Wyvern. The tale we know well and I liked the mention of "The Gargoyle of the Sword". And we canonize how the Hand became magical which is cool. Meanwhile, Thailog searches for the haft using a similar (or the same?) scrying glass that Demona used in 971. Not sure where he got this thing, but it's pretty handy when searching through a pile of treasure. Anyway, he hides the heft under his caped wings and he and Shari leave without any questions from Wyvern or Falstaff. How fortunate! The "stick" is delivered to Demona. "And everybody's happy." Ha

- Time passes. Months! We get a lovely scene at the Clocktower with Elisa and Goliath that felt like old times. Elisa is reinstated to the force, but they've had no luck finding Demona or the Keys. More time passes. MONTHS! We firmly place "Trick Or Treat" in the middle of Quest. The Clan is going on with their lives, but the search continues. I liked the image of Angela standing alone. Clearly still troubled. Finally, after four months, the last Key is acquired. After the drama of collecting the first two, the last is unceremoniously paid for at an auction. I guess that's one way to spend $900K! A new item: Cleopatra's Necklace. What is it's power I wonder? Can't wait to learn more. "Now the fun begins..." [/SPOILER]

Those are my thoughts. I look forward to hearing yours!
Matt
"And, thus, given no choice, we waited..." - Alesand, "The Reach"
posted @ Wed, Jul 24, 2024 10:07:41 am EDT from 47.233.90.133

Looks like Matt's instinct was correct: Quest #3 is currently available on Kindle, a week early. Will post my thoughts later, hopefully.
Craig
posted @ Wed, Jul 24, 2024 9:17:10 am EDT from 166.198.21.124

Incidentally, with "M.I.A." being the next "Gargoyles" episode to be discussed on "Voices from the Eyrie" podcast, there are a couple of thoughts on it that I recently had.

1. The bit about Leo and Una making it look as if they're wearing masks. I wonder if we'll be seeing that moment in a new light, now that we've had humans wearing gargoyle masks (and very well-made ones, at that).

2. In "Awakening Part Three", when Goliath asked Elisa about New York City lacking walls to keep invaders out, Elisa's response was that the real dangers to the city are now inside. This answer matches "Awakening" well (particularly with the three street thugs introduced shortly after that scene - not to mention that Goliath understands, recalling how Castle Wyvern fell thanks to betrayal from within - and that betrayal was thanks to internal strife), but "M.I.A." gives another good answer to Goliath's question (if one that isn't commented on): military aircraft have rendered city walls obsolete. Another note on the differences that the changes in human technology have wrought.
Todd Jensen
posted @ Tue, Jul 23, 2024 10:00:26 pm EDT from 68.99.93.213

Todd> Well it certainly wouldn't be the first time Greg's used real life rhetoric in his works. Season 3 Lex Luthor is proof of that.
Though DC has used Lex to stand in for real world problematic people before.
Matthew the Fedora Guy
Ain't nothing crazy 'bout me but my brain!
posted @ Tue, Jul 23, 2024 8:49:55 pm EDT from 135.180.3.149

Some of the individual Quarrymen would probably be on weak grounds claiming that they're concerned about the safety and well-being of the city. Lou and Chaz, for example - they're no doubt concealing how they were, a while before, helping Fang in his attempted takeover of the Labyrinth.
Todd Jensen
posted @ Tue, Jul 23, 2024 8:48:05 pm EDT from 68.99.93.213

Todd Jensen> To get a bit real again, I imagine the Hexside Squad giving their assessments of what they think humans would be like.

Namely that flawed as they possibly are, they wouldn't knowingly put a villain in power. Luz nervously laughs and responds with "That would sure be stupid.".

I kid of course. Below had to actually present himself well to get support. Not every witch is Odalia.XD
Antiyonder
posted @ Tue, Jul 23, 2024 3:06:19 pm EDT from 68.119.3.1

I have the Gargoyles board game and it's a lot of fun. I generally prefer competitive versus cooperative games, but the theming is great. It does really feel like a gargoyles adventure.
Phil - [p1anderson at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Tue, Jul 23, 2024 10:13:29 am EDT from 50.192.123.171

ANTIYONDER - [So I wonder if any Quarryman members express hope of making New York, grea..... I mean safe again.]

They'd probably claim that their goal is to ensure New York's safety, but I suspect that what they really care about is being the heroes in their own delusion (to borrow a phrase used to describe another Disney television villain with similar traits).
Todd Jensen
posted @ Tue, Jul 23, 2024 8:35:44 am EDT from 68.99.93.213

So I wonder if any Quarryman members express hope of making New York, grea..... I mean safe again.
Antiyonder
posted @ Tue, Jul 23, 2024 2:03:27 am EDT from 68.119.3.1

I've seen the "Gargoyles" board game (assuming you mean the recent "cooperative board game" version) at the local Barnes and Noble, though not recently; all its copies must have been sold. I never bought it; none of my neighbors (to the best of my knowledge) are "Gargoyles" fans, which meant I'd have nobody to play it with.

MATTHEW - I remember the early pages of that webcomic having a lot of fun with the rules, though that faded as it developed its own story. I even remember a couple of touching tribute pages for E. Gary Gygax and Dave Arneson (the inventors of the "Dungeons & Dragon" game).
Todd Jensen
posted @ Mon, Jul 22, 2024 8:48:33 pm EDT from 68.99.93.213

JURGAN> "I also had a good chuckle when Bishansky said (roughly) "There has been a lot of anxiety in the world the last few years. I'm not naming names, but I think you all know who I mean. We've had to go through Tru- trials and tribulations.""

Tee-hee.
Greg Bishansky
posted @ Mon, Jul 22, 2024 7:38:11 pm EDT from 67.189.200.184

Todd> Yeah, Order of the Stick has been collected and printed for some time, the first book published back in 2005.

It does take a bit of understanding on D&D to get into the series, the comic did start as a joke on the change to the 3.5 edition. But it has a really strong story and great characters.
Matthew the Fedora Guy
Ain't nothing crazy 'bout me but my brain!
posted @ Mon, Jul 22, 2024 7:08:00 pm EDT from 135.180.3.149

Alex> I randomly spotted the board game at Target a couple years ago and instantly bought it. I was shocked to see Gargoyles merch at Target at the time. Since then, I see NECA there all of the time, but the board game was the first sign to me that Gargoyles was coming back to the spotlight.

I have not played it, but I want to. I actually brought my copy to Convergence, but never found time to play.
Matt
"And, thus, given no choice, we waited..." - Alesand, "The Reach"
posted @ Mon, Jul 22, 2024 2:46:30 pm EDT from 47.233.90.133

So a couple of weeks ago I found the Gargoyles board game at a store and purchased it.

Anyone else have it? Played it? It looks really cool.

I'm thinking of maybe hosting a party with some friends, watching the pilot (they've either never seen it, or haven't seen it in years) and playing the board game. Probably having some sort of medieval themed pot luck. Roast and mashed potatoes or something.
Alex
posted @ Mon, Jul 22, 2024 12:48:57 pm EDT from 65.95.87.254

I remember reading "The Order of the Stick" in webcomic state a while ago, but drifted away from it at some point. I hadn't known that they were collecting it in regular book format.

I also recall the MythAdventures (at least, if they're the ones with the apprentice wizard teamed up with a demon who explains that "demon" is just a technical term for a visitor from another world).
Todd Jensen
posted @ Mon, Jul 22, 2024 9:32:30 am EDT from 68.99.93.213

After my little adventure down the trapdoor I had some time to catch up on my reading. I was reading the THIRD book of The Order of the Stick (though technically the fifth one published) when I noticed something in the author's introduction.

According to author Rich Burlew this was the first time he plotted out a series of events in a story from start to finish rather than sort of working a plot in amongst his joke-per-comic style beforehand. While admitting he had little idea of what he was doing, he did mention other series that did have heavily storied plots that he drew inspiration from. This list included Babylon 5 (a classic sci-fi series), MythAdventures (which I know have been mentioned here before), Starman by James Robinson (a must for any DC fan) and of course Gargoyles which is pretty much the gold standard for long term writing in animation.
Matthew the Fedora Guy
Ain't nothing crazy 'bout me but my brain!
posted @ Mon, Jul 22, 2024 6:11:02 am EDT from 135.180.3.149

The bots are getting better at this; soon enough they'll learn to say SECOND and whatnot.
CarumboZabumbo
Noi siamo le creature della notte! Noi siamo... i Gargoyles!
posted @ Mon, Jul 22, 2024 4:20:43 am EDT from 79.21.55.253

And a new week begins again. Hope everything will be good and favorable.
connections game - [eagleshepherd at gmail dot com]
posted @ Mon, Jul 22, 2024 12:57:14 am EDT from 66.235.168.216

First!
Jurgan - [jurgan6 at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Mon, Jul 22, 2024 12:03:28 am EDT from 97.188.96.69