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EYE OF THE BEHOLDER MEMO
Last week, I posted my ramble on EYE OF THE BEHOLDER. But I forgot to post the memo from that episode. Here it is.
This is from October of '94, though the episode wouldn't air until September of '95.
Steve Perry wrote a first draft script (which I know longer have), edited by Michael Reaves. This was my memo to Michael in response to that first draft. Usually, these memos come at the outline stage. I'm not sure why this waited until the script stage. Making changes at this stage creates pressure. And I think that pressure is reflected in my brusker tone. (A tone which I regret in rereading it now.)
WEISMAN 10-11-94
Notes on "EYE OF THE BEHOLDER" Script...
This will be a fairly extensive rewrite. Mostly necessitated by Xanatos coming across as weak and moonstruck for the entire episode. We've got to do some restructuring to solve that problem. Sorry.
GENERAL STUFF
XANATOS
We cannot weaken Xanatos to the degree we do here. He should appear to be his normal machiavellian self through the whole episode. Going through life, despite minor setbacks, with an ever-present ace up his sleeve. With only two exceptions... at the crisis point, when he finally has to admit to Goliath and himself that he cares about Fox, and at the end when he feels Goliath has the goods on him. Both of these are important but brief moments. At the very end, we need to feel like Xanatos is more well-rounded, but still formidable.
FOX
In the first scene, please mention Fox's facial tattoo in description. No matter how fancy she dresses, it's a reminder that she still has the beast within. Like Xanatos, let's not play her sappy or moony. She's cut from the same cloth as he is. She may truly love him. But she's not gonna easily be carried away by those feelings. Do we want to give Fox a real name? I feel like she would have had hers legally changed. Maybe not. But how about Janine instead of Janet? Sounds slightly more exotic. Do we want the Werefox to be proportioned like a bodybuilder? She'll have super-strength of course, but shouldn't her proportions remain similar to Fox's design?
TRAVIS, etc.
You'll see below, that I've added a bit for Travis Marshall. If you can figure a way to get the exposition smoothly across without Travis, you can skip him. In either case, during Elisa's first battle against the Werefox in the grocery store, let's reuse the store and store keeper from -013. Charlie H. did that voice and you'll probably need him for Travis. (This doesn't mean the store keeper has to speak, it just gives us a convenient option and saves our artists some work.)
IT'S A CHOKER NOT A PENDANT
I know we discussed that.
TODAY'S THEME: VULNERABILITY
It's there, but I think we could be hitting it harder. (It's not that I advocate a lack of subtlety, but in our scripts we need to emphasize the theme to maintain the audience's focus. We always have so much going on that it would be easy for them to feel like it's just a lot of fighting and not about anything.)
NO 40 PAGE SCRIPTS
I don't want to see any script that is longer than 39 pages. Even at the first draft stage. Please make sure that this is to length. This shouldn't be tough. The script seemed heavily padded to me. There are entire scenes that can come out.
CAST LIST
Please make sure that this is complete. Elisa was left off. I've cut Dr. Stein. Also don't forget to include characters with no lines. They are still needed for design purposes. And describe the costumes of Elisa, Brooklyn, Broadway, Lexington and the costumed man. You don't have to go into great detail. Just make sure that it's noted that they appear in normal garb and in these other costumes.
BEAT SHEET
ACT ONE
1. SUPER: OCTOBER 1st. Our prologue. Xanatos proposes, in a decidedly business-like manner. We don't get to see the Eye. (This scene is largely successful in Steve's draft.)
2. SUPER: OCTOBER 31st. On the streets, late afternoon. Halloween prep going on. Wind, leaves. And Elisa walking with her (unrevealed) costume by the store as the bookrack flies through the store window. She goes in, coming into conflict with this monster WEREFOX. We should see the Werefox eating. Establish that basic motivation. We should also see the EYE. Werefox escapes.
3. Time cut to aftermath. Brief moment between Elisa and Morgan, as Travis Marshall reports live. This is not the Werefox's first sighting.
4. Back at the castle, Xanatos and Owen click off the television (and the Travis Marshall report) as Fox enters. She's got an overcoat pulled tight around her neck. Xanatos asks her if she is wearing her engagement present. She says nervously, that she never takes it off. She exits. He and Owen look at each other. They clearly suspect something.
5. At clock tower, gargoyles EXPLODE awake. Elisa's there. Tells what happened. Brooklyn figures that blows his theory that the Monster sightings were all pre-Halloween shenanigans. (Let's get in here that they are excited about Halloween and being able to appear in public. Hudson's less sanguine.) Goliath takes Elisa aside: "I should have been with you." But Elisa won't let him feel guilty. He can't be with her all the time anymore than she can spend every hour of daylight guarding him. They're all vulnerable. It's scary, but knowing someone cares whether they make it through the day makes it worthwhile. (Or something like that.)
6. Back at the castle, Xanatos calmly approaches Fox and asks for her engagement present. He wants to have it engraved. She tries to demure. He insists, gently pulling her collar away from the EYE!!! She slams him back and transforms into the werefox!
ACT TWO
7. Xan was more-or-less ready for this, he has a tranquilizer gun, but she's much more powerful than he anticipated. The dart doesn't seem to slow her down. Owen enters prepared, with what appears to be another tranquilizer gun. But it's really a tagging device of some sort. The Werefox escapes. (This is tricky, given the setting.) Xanatos: "So much for doing things the easy way." Owen's tagger tracks the beast and sends back vital signs. Owen explains that her metabolic rate is skyrocketing, explaining why the tranquilizer had no effect, and also revealing that she's gonna burn out and die. Xanatos seems unconcerned. (This is a facade, but even he doesn't realize it yet.) He needs to get the Eye of Odin back. If he had known it was anything more than a fancy jewel he'd never have given it away. "Oh, well. On to plan B."
8. Elisa finds Goliath in the library. She's gotten an anonymous tip about where to find the Werefox. (She doesn't know it, but it's from Xanatos.)
9. Xanatos in his battle armor, tracks and confronts the Werefox on the rooftop. (Of a bakery? Or a meat packing warehouse? In any case, reestablish her metabolic hunger.) He tries to get in close enough to remove the Eye. Goliath and Elisa arrive and, thanks to a little play-acting by Xanatos, become convinced that the Werefox is another of Xanatos' victims (ala Maggie Reed). They try to intervene, but obviously the werefox isn't too helpful. Xanatos takes this opportunity to make his grab for the Eye. He's blasted by magical energy. And the Werefox trashes his armor. He's forced to flee. Goliath tries to talk to Werefox, but she slams him into Elisa, nearly knocking the latter off the rooftop. Goliath and Elisa recover, by which time, Werefox is gone. They confer. Elisa is convinced that Xanatos has victimized this poor creature just as he did her brother. He's clearly after the eye. They have to gather all the gargoyles and make sure they get it first. Goliath looks suspiciously toward the Castle in the distance. Maybe he can barely see Xanatos limping toward it.
10. Xanatos comes in for an unsteady landing at the castle. He's greeted by Owen: "So much for plan B." And Xanatos: "True. But now plan C is activated. Goliath and company are, as usual, determined to thwart me. They'll pull out all the stops to get the eye off Fox before I do. They'll do all my work for me." Owen is confused. How will this help him recover the eye? (This is a hint that the eye isn't really Xanatos' main concern.) But before Xanatos can address that question (or even give conscious thought to the answer), Goliath and Elisa dramatically reveal their presence. It's clear they've heard everything. (Or almost everything.)
ACT THREE
11. Goliath is major angry. (But kind of proud of himself that he didn't get fooled again.) Xanatos can do his own dirty work. Goliath and Elisa start to go. And suddenly, almost against his own will, Xanatos stops him. Reveals to himself, Goliath and audience that he really cares for Fox. He needs help to get the eye off of her. The legend says that this is what the Norse God Odin traded for POWER AND INSIGHT. He had no idea the legend had any basis in fact or that the eye had any real metamorphic abilities. Goliath comments wryly that it should give Xanatos some "insight" as to Fox's true bestial nature. It's made her more like herself. (Xanatos does not find that unattractive.) Why should Goliath help? Xanatos makes the Demona reference. (At some point in here, Xanatos should make physical contact with Goliath. Touching his arm. Needing his help.) Goliath starts to waiver, but Elisa's convinced that this is just another scam. A plan D, if you like. Goliath nods agreement. In any case, it's Xanatos' mess. He can fix it himself. They leave. Xanatos seems momentarily desperate, but then controls himself. Asks how long it will take for armor repair. Owen says a couple of days and then takes a quick look at his tracker/scanner. Fox doesn't have that long.
12. Greenwich village. The party. Let's take some time to play this. The trio and their costumes. And particularly, play the beauty of Goliath and Princess Elisa. Maybe a band is playing something classical on Bleeker Street and they dance. Suddenly Goliath spots the werefox. He grabs the creature. Only to discover it's a guy in a costume. But it starts him thinking. He's going to help Xanatos. Elisa protests (not too strongly; she's not immune either). But Goliath has good reasons. The Werefox is dangerous to his "castle". But truly, if a man like Xanatos can love...well, there's hope for the whole world. From behind Xanatos agrees. How did he find them? Almost embarrassed, Xanatos pulls a Scarab transmitter off Goliath's arm. Old habits die hard. He pulls out the scanner. Come with me.
13. Elsewhere in the village, there's a lot of free food being given out at booths. (I know this would never happen in real life, but let's just assume that local restaurants are looking at it as an advertisement expense.) All the trio, not just Broadway, are partaking. But the Werefox is hungry too. Her attack is closely followed by Goliath, Elisa and Xanatos' arrival. Ultimately, Goliath gets her in a full-nelson that allows Xanatos to reach in with his gauntlet-covered hand and painfully remove the Eye. Fox transforms back, in Goliath's arms. Goliath demands the Eye; he won't trust Xanatos with it. (Xanatos will assume he's being asked to trade the eye for Fox. This is not Goliath's intent, but leave it ambiguous.) For once, Xanatos can't refuse. The exchange is made. Xanatos, cradling Fox in his arms: "Well, Goliath, now you know my one weakness." Goliath regards him with disdain: "Only you would regard love as a weakness." He, Elisa and the Trio depart with the Eye. As all this is happening, Owen has pulled up in the limo. He caught the tail end of the conversation. He agrees with Goliath: "Frankly, Mr. Xanatos, you've never looked quite so formidable." Xanatos smiles. Fox awakens. He says something tender, but it's clear he's back to his old self, just as dangerous as ever.
Todd Jensen writes...
In your reply to my "Future Tense" ramble, you mentioned that I was forgetting one fact about it. Is this fact the bit about Goliath, in the "actual" Gargoyles Universe, returning to New York in 1996 rather than 2036 (something which would definitely invalidate the literal fulfillment of "Future Tense")? (I really should have remembered it in my ramble).
Greg responds...
That too.
TK writes...
Hey me again I haven't been o in a while----no that it matters
OK, When Elisa went under cover as the blond
- sorry i can't remember the Episode name
1. the trio and Angela saw her and freaked (well Brok-- did) before she told them it was her, what would Golith have done
---would he know it was her
--would she milk it a little longer to tease him
2.what was her role in the one gang,
--was she the gag leaders--um--"not girlfriend but just like hung around so it looked like he had a girl around"
(if that makes sense, sorry if it doesn't)
Thats all for now thanks alot and
P.s. You are a very talented person and unique and successful,I've seen your work, don't ever loss that.
Thanks alot
Greg responds...
The episode is "TURF".
1. I think Goliath would have recognized her. But that's a what if...
2. She was a participating member, who helped organize gang actions against Dracon.
Thanks for the kind words.
matt writes...
in "reawakening" how is it that xanatos manages to tell everyone to meet at the brooklyn bridge without all the public and media overhearing?
Greg responds...
Most everyone was far away. Elisa could only hear because Goliath was wearing a mic.
matt writes...
why did Broadway have more head horns in "future tense" than in the 1990's?
Greg responds...
Perhaps more will grow as he matures more. Or perhaps, Puck made a mistake.
matt writes...
maybe im just an idiot for not understanding but what is puck talking about when he responds to demona," Did you say that human or that human." ive watched the episode a lot of times and i consider myself a pretty smart guy but i can't figure this out.
Greg responds...
By changing the emphasis, he was merely hinting that he wasn't going to kill THAT human Elisa Maza. But get rid of that HUMAN Elisa Maza, i.e. by changing her into a gargoyle. But he wasn't trying to be clear, so don't feel too bad.
Beckie writes...
What regular episode number was, "The Mirror," aired as? And if do you know what episodes were aired right before and right after it?
Greg responds...
I'm not sure what you mean by "episode number". As I once explained, each episode of the series had a production number from Walt Disney Television Animation. Each episode also had an "episode number" from Buena Vista Television. These numbers occassionally, but not always, corresponded to their airing order.
I'll assume you're referring to airing order, because I don't see why anyone would be interested in production or episode numbers.
"The Mirror" was designed to be (and actually was) our 18th episode. It was preceded by "A Lighthouse in the Sea of Time" and succeeded by "The Silver Falcon".
Todd Jensen writes...
I'm resubmitting this question since you (I assume inadvertently) posted the same answer to it that you did to the "Max Steel" question preceding it. I hope that you don't mind.
In "City of Stone Part Three", when Xanatos and Owen are discussing how to find a way of breaking Demona's spell, Owen suggests researching the Grimorum Arcanorum. Xanatos correctly points out that even if they could find a counter-spell in its pages, they wouldn't be able to use it (and it could even be dangerous to do so on account of the "mixing magics is a bad idea" business).
The revelation later on that Owen was really Puck made that suggestion of his a bit puzzling to me. I would have thought that Puck would have already been aware that the Grimorum wasn't an option for the solution without Xanatos needing to tell him that. Or is he less knowledgeable about human magic than about faerie magic?
Greg responds...
You're misreading the scene, I think. (THough it's not fresh in my mind.)
Xanatos is responding to two different thoughts.
1. That neither he NOR "Owen" are sorcerors.
2. Then Xanatos is immediately jumping to the NEXT logical thought, which is what if PUCK were to do something. (Not that Puck would have.) He's asking for CONFIRMATION that Puck couldn't help, even were he so inclined because mixing magics is dangerous.
I think.
Todd Jensen writes...
In "The New Olympians", when Proteus is masquerading as Goliath and Elisa suddenly notices that he doesn't turn to stone in the daytime, Proteus replies that New Olympus's cloaking device must be altering the sun's rays so as to allow him to remain flesh by day. It recently struck me that this was not only a lie, but actually a rather poor lie, because of this: as we know, it isn't sunlight that causes gargoyles to turn to stone in the daytime, but rather their internal biological clock. So whatever effect the New Olympians' concealment technology would have on the sunlight, it wouldn't prevent the gargoyles from turning to stone by day (for that matter, we do know that gargoyles on New Olympus must turn to stone in the daytime on account of such a thing happening to Goliath, Angela, and Bronx while they were on the island).
So was Proteus not too well-versed in gargoyle biology, that he made such an error about what causes them to turn to stone by day? Or did he know the truth, but assume that Elisa didn't?
Greg responds...
He was vamping.
Tim writes...
What was that place that Oberon sent Angela and Brooklyn too in Gathering pt 1 where they floated and stammered that it was cold? A part of Oberon himself, or another dimension, or something else entirely?
Greg responds...
A part of his cloak.
Faieq writes...
Probably a pointless question, but in 'Deadly Force', just before Broadway shot Elisa, she was cooking something on the stove. Who turned the cooker off? We saw Broadway pick up Elisa and just glide off. He didn't turn the stove off. Who did?
Greg responds...
The cops.
Monzo writes...
Since you ramble on "Eye of the Beholder", I have a Silly question. Any reasons why Owen took the Commandoes' armored heliopter instead of the usual 'civilian' helicopter?
Greg responds...
In case there was trouble, I guess. But I hadn't noticed.
Maverick writes...
I saw recently the episode "Upgrade". My thought is:
1) Goliath must make a BIG choice
2) Brooklyn/Lexington/Broadway must proove themself worthy
3) The Pack get a *New* look
4) (In my opinion) The is the first step to Dingo's *turn Around* (Becoming a good guy eventually in the Matrix Ep)
In your opinion, is this a very immportant episode, A *Pivitol* episode, more so than, say Avalon Prt 1, in your views?
Greg responds...
In my view, they're all fairly pivotal for different reasons, many of which weren't revealed in the first 66.
But Upgrade had soeme good stuff in it, yeah.
But quantifying "pivotalness" i.e. Upgrade vs. Avalon 1 seems beyond pointless to me.
Faieq writes...
In Awakening Part one (and at the beginning of Awakening part two), Goliath was sure that those destroyed gargoyle peices he held were the remains of his mate. I get the feeling that the gargoyles had their own sleeping places on the castle battlements. Is this the case, or did Goliath assume that because he saw a few of the gargoyles destroyed, he assumed that the whole clan was destroyed?
Greg responds...
The former. With Demona absent, someone obviously chose to sleep in her spot.
Vashkoda writes...
After asking about Goliath having foreknowledge of the Timedancer, I got to thinking of other gargoyles with foreknowledge of someone's fate--Hudson and Demona. In "Vows", Hudson's old self meets future Goliath, and Demona's old self meets future Goliath and Demona. My question is whether Hudson and/or Demona ever truly realized that those encounters meant that Goliath would survive for many years to come (well, exactly how many, they couldn't have known). Did Hudson ever use that as a reassurance that Goliath would return safely from patrols or other dangerous missions--because until "Vows", Hudson knew that Goliath didn't have access to the Gate, and wouldn't be able to accomplish his destined visit to the past? And during all those centuries, did Demona also rely on the memory of that visit as a reassurance that one day, Goliath would awaken?
Greg responds...
Maybe. But keep in mind, until "Vows" they didn't know that Time was immutable. There was no guarantee that the future hadn't been altered in such a way that Goliath would never travel.
Certainly, when Hudson heard about Xanatos' wedding invitation, he had a hunch where the whole thing was going.
Emmlei writes...
In 'Future Tense', when Goliath first comes into the city, the Talon-esqe soldiers blast a woman's cart and steps on a framed photo. correct me if i'm wrong, but was it intentionally implied that the girl was supposed to be a daughter of Chavez? taller woman had a similar outfit as Chavez.
Greg responds...
Yes, it was implied. That was our intent anyway.
Razorclawz writes...
In City of Stone 2, when Demona rip off the Hunter's mask, Gillecomegain shot something like: "Do you remember me? The boy you disfigured?" Demona said no. Did she lie or she didn't remember the boy?
Greg responds...
I don't think she knew who the hell he was.
Todd Jensen writes...
By the time of "The Journey", have the public been informed that it was actually the Canmores who blew up the clock tower, and not the gargoyles?
Greg responds...
Probably, but that doesn't mean they listened.
Abbie writes...
Hunter's moon III-- the best episode ever made! I still like Goliath's surprised look in the romantic last few seconds of the episode. (save the best for last) I still love the goofy, lopsided grin he has on when he turns to stone after Elisa kisses him. Did you plan that, or did the animators just add it in 'cause it was cute??
NEway, on Toon Disney, on Friday the thirteenth, they have a Gargoyles marathon on. YES!!! WOOHOO~! I'm taping all of the twenty-two eps they're playing back 2 back!!!! Just thought you'd like to know!!!
*** Abbie smiles, scrunches up her thirteen-year old nose in a cutesy grin, and logs off, heading for bed... big science test 2morrow!***
Greg responds...
Both.
And good luck on your test.
Todd Jensen writes...
I was just watching my tape of "Possession", and thought that I'd ask you a question about it. In the scene where Goliath and Hudson are talking to a "Puck-possessed" Coldstone in the clock tower (who dupes them into thinking that Xanatos is planning a fresh offensive against them), Bronx walks over and rubs affectionately against Coldstone's legs. Now, we know that Bronx is a very good judge of character, and from that, I suspect that he'd probably be able to detect the fact that it was somebody other than any of the three gargoyles making up Coldstone inside his body. So - does Bronx like Puck, or was he still under the influence of the spell that Puck placed on him while disguised as Goliath earlier in the episode?
Greg responds...
Still spelled.
Vilija writes...
In "the Edge," Goliath sees Xanatos on tv, and Goliath gets pissed off. He runs away, but where does he go? To be alone?
Also, we see him in the library. Does he break in or what? (I take it he doesn't have a library card...)
Is that a public library or part of the police building?
Greg responds...
It's a public library that's part of the same building as the police station. If you watch the episode, you can see an exterior diagonal pan from the clock tower down to the library.
He does break in, sort of, but it's not hard. No one bothered to lock the attic.
He goes off for a glide to blow off steam.
Vilija writes...
Where did Demona get her armour suit in "Reckoning?" Did she make it? Did someone else? Did she steal it? Order it from the Sears catalouge? (Help me out here.)
Why was her tail not protected? Was the suit deigned for a human? (I'm guessing not, there was a space she could stick her tail out of.)
What was she stealing from that factory anyway?
Greg responds...
She had JUST stolen it from GoldenCup.
Darunia (no, a different one) writes...
Why didn't Thailog clone Angela or Bronx along with the other gargoyles in ''The Reckoning''?
Greg responds...
Bronx was never on guard. Demona didn't want Angela cloned and never released a mosquito while she was there.
Justin writes...
Dear Greg,
Here are some questions about Future Tense.
1)When did Brooklyn feel the need to don that armor? Obviously it wasn't right after Goliath left.
2)When exactly would you figure Lex would need cybernetic replacements?
3)I know the battle in which Broadway goes blind, but what's the year?
4)When was the Eerie Pyramid constructed?
I understand this was just a dream fabricated by Puck, if you could please answer it hypothetically.
Thanks a bunch
Greg responds...
But I'm not a big fan of hypotheticals. You're guess is as good as mine on all this stuff.
Kalafarski writes...
A question about Future Tense, a great episode that I recently rewatched. I loved your description of the Gargoyle Wind Ceremony....things like that enhance the depth of the series. But I wondered why no one performed the ceremony on Hudson's remains.
Obviously, it could have been a screw up on Puck's part, like not knowing that Demona had chosen Thailog as her mate. Then again, he seemed to know a lot about everything and everyone else. If Puck knew about the ceremony, did he think that the trio wouldn't or didn't know how to perform the ceremony? Or had you simply not developed the concept of the wind ceremony when the episode was produced (I realize that the dramatic element of Goliath's learning that his mentor is dead would have been reduced if there had been no remains). Anyway, just wondering.
Greg responds...
There were no remains. I'm not sure what you're talking about. Whether or not Puck knew about the Wind Ceremony (and I most certainly did back then) is immaterial, because in the reality that Puck presented to Goliath, Hudson had died years earlier. Goliath would have expected (had he thought about it) that the ceremony took place at the time of Hudson's death.
Perhaps you think that statue of Hudson WAS Hudson. But it was only a bronze statue. Metal -- not stone or sleeping Gargoyle. Specifically Bronze to make sure the audience didn't get confused.
Todd Jensen writes...
Did Oberon remember to take Boudicca back to Avalon in "The Gathering"?
Greg responds...
Yes.
Adam Z. writes...
If all the Gargoyles have to do to defeat Oberon is ring a bell, then why didn't they simply do so during the Gathering. And why didn't Puck know that was his weakness.
Greg responds...
My guess is that (a) forging an iron bell is a bit harder than you think. And (b) Puck can't handle that bell or whip one up magically. And (c) I wouldn't be surprised if Oberon has a contingency for that now.
Todd Jensen writes...
A question about "Ill Met By Moonlight". At the end of this episode, Oberon appoints the Avalon clan his "honor guard". Is this going to turn out to be a largely ceremonial function with little real work? I can't help but suspect this, in view of the fact that anything capable of seriously threatening Oberon, a fellow capable of swelling up to giant size, animating stone figures, and ordering the earth to swallow up intruders, (and I will confess that the only thing that I can think of in the Gargoyles Universe that could really endanger him at present is Queen Mab) would be able to easily wipe out a whole clan of gargoyles without much effort. (I do have the suspicion that Oberon's appointing the gargoyles to that position was more a matter of "practical politics" - giving them a definite role in Avalonian society - than a matter of "providing for defense", myself).
Greg responds...
Generally, an "honor guard" is by definition ceremonial. If not literal definition, then certainly by common practice.
So I agree. But it doesn't hurt to have loyal warriors handy the next time someone shows up with an iron bell.
Brian writes...
In High Noon when Desdemona splits her self in three and says, "Even shadows must be true to thier shade". Her three images have the same different hair as the Wierd Sisters. Coincidence, I think not.
Greg responds...
I think not too.
Todd Jensen writes...
I was watching my tape of "Cloud Fathers" and wondered over one line in it. In the "Arizona - 1960" flashback scene, Carlos Maza protests his son's decision to leave his people to live with the "Waseshu". Who are the "Waseshu"? (I assume that it's a name for the people of Manhattan, given the context, but want to make certain).
Greg responds...
It's a perjorative term for caucasians. Or so I was told.
Denis writes...
Hello, Greg!
About the episode future Tense
when Goliath "kills" Xanatos' perso, shouldn't it have killed Lexington by feedback (like it killed Alexander, Brooklyn, Angela and Demona?
Was it a glitch in Puck's illusion, or the Xanatos persona was a mere artificial intelligence?
((Next time, before Puck create a cyberpunkish illusion, he would gain to read William Gibson's Neuromancer ;p))
Greg responds...
Why would it have killed Lex? He wasn't hooked into Xanatos. He simply manipulated the program.
Todd Jensen writes...
In "Bushido", when Taro is arguing with Kai over Kai's decision to leave, he reaches for a small gargoyle statue on his podium and tilts the head. Nothing happens, however (the one element in the gargoyle theme park that we see afterwards that it could possibly have triggered, the laser weapons firing from the cathedral towers and other such places, doesn't start up until some time later, when Taro gives the actual verbal order for it). What exactly was it supposed to do?
Greg responds...
I'd have to watch it again. I don't remember.
Sixshot writes...
In "The Reckoning", we see Demona in a exosuit. Did she built it or stole it from the Golden Cup?
Greg responds...
Stole it.
Elizabeth Mason writes...
Okay, Hi I love your show and am currently watching City of Stone and reading the play Macbeth. But I do have a question reguarding the human statues.
1. Were the human beings killed and if so why wasnt there a news cast or some sort of uproar about it?
2. If they were killed then why is the lawyer couple Margert Yale and hubby still alive if they were statues, and I saw them as statues when demona was hanging on them.
3.
Greg responds...
1. There might have been. We just didn't show it to you.
2. Looks a lot like them, doesn't it? But it wasn't.
3.
Vilija (Demona's greatest fan) writes...
Hi Greg! I was wathching "The Reckoning" last night on the family channel (Yay, Canada!)I noticed that when (Fang?) was in the cell beside Demona's, he asked Goliath a joke. I couldn't help but wonder, what was the second part of "How many Gargoyles does it take to screw in a lightbulb?" Anyway, thank you to all of you guys for giving the fans a great show. Gargoyles is the best.
Greg responds...
Actually, I might save that for a contest. Thanks for reminding me.
Todd Jensen writes...
In "M.I.A.", when Una is attempting to dissuade Griff from going off with Goliath to defend London from the Nazis during the Battle of Britain, she says that she has "a bad feeling about tonight". That very night, of course, is the night that Griff disappears (thanks to Goliath and the Phoenix Gate, who brought him to 1995).
Did Una's uneasy forebodings have a prophetic element in them (given that she is a practicing sorceress), or did they stem purely from her mundane fears that Griff would be killed in the fighting, that merely seemed prophetic from the vantage point of hindsight?
Greg responds...
Both.
Mara Shinigami Cordova writes...
Quick Q...
In the FUTURE TENSE universe ( ie, had Goliath not realized that it all was a big hoax by the changeling Puck and it thereby became Goliath's reality)
1. Did Brooklyn and Demona have any eggs?
2. During the roof scene between Demona and Goliath, she begs him to save their daughter. I'm assuming off-camera he had explained the entire situation to the surviving clan... doesDemona at this point harbor any grudge towards Elisa or is she forgotten?
3. In Future tense... WOULD gargoyles make marks on hardwood floors?
suimasen, Weisman-sama
Greg responds...
None of these questions make much sense, except maybe 3. You're looking for completeness and rationales in a VERY incomplete faux world. Did you see the Truman Show? Think of what Goliath was presented with as a glorified Hollywood Movie set. Puck didn't work any harder than he had too.
Todd Jensen writes...
In Puck's "Future Tense" illusion, was he attempting to use guilt as a weapon against Goliath to break him down, as well as shock and grief? Brooklyn and Lexington both berated Goliath severely for "running away" and leaving the clan and Manhattan defenceless against Xanatos, making it clear that in their eyes, it was all his fault that the city was in the condition that it was. Lexington also implied (at least, how I saw it) that Goliath's "abandoning" the clan was a reason for his turning evil. So, was Puck attempting to fill Goliath with guilt to weaken him all the more?
Greg responds...
Yep.
Phil writes...
Hi, Greg.
I love the show; thanks for answering our questions, etc.
Now that the clans contest is over, I have a question. In "Bushido," Taro built a gargoyles theme park. The first few times I watched it, I was too enthralled by the new Japanese gargoyles to notice the backgrounds. Recently I realized that the park was more than a re-creation of Ishimura. The castle looks just like Wyvern, Notre Dame de Paris can be seen, and there were a few other buildings of various architechtural design.
1) Did Taro really know there were gargoyles at Wyvern, Paris, etc. or did he just guess?
2) If he did know, how? Is he acquainted with Xanatos, the Illuminati, or someone else who knew?
Thanks for your time!
Greg responds...
1. It's not Wyvern. It's Edinburgh, I believe. And no. He was creating different "lands" for his theme park. So he picked a medieval Scotish Castle. And he picked a cathedral in Paris that is famous for his gargoyles. And currently, there are no gargoyles in either location.
2. No.
Faieq writes...
Did we see Brooklyn's permanent injury, in any form in the episode 'Future Tense'.
Greg responds...
Not that I can recall. Was he injured in that episode?
Faieq writes...
I just read your scene that got cut out of 'Hunter's Moon part three' again and it made me wonder would you ever use that scene again in a flashback?
Greg responds...
I'd love to if I could work it in organically and not force it in, simply because I think it's cool.
Ambrosia writes...
Okay, another question from someone else's question:
Ed asked about vampires in the Gargoyle universe. I've never really thought about vampires myself, but since you mentioned that vampirism is a curse, not a race, I started wondering, can gargoyles become vampires?
Thanks!
Greg responds...
We tried to make in ambiguous for the hopeful. Obvious, for the cynical. Does that make sense?
Ambrosia writes...
Sixshot asked if anyone survived the crash of Fortress I and you responded: "I'm not saying until the families can be notified."
They haven't been notified after 6 years??? :)
Anyway, I think this was my "Omigosh, this is unlike any show I've ever seen before" moment. As each of the motors are blowing up, trhere's a scene where people are bailing out into the river and just before someone jumps, there's another explosion and he doesn't make it. I was aghast the first time I saw it. I kept thinking it would go back to that scene and make it clear that everyone was okay... but it never did. Tragedy is part of life... and it was a part of the show.
Greg responds...
We tried to make in ambiguous for the hopeful. Obvious, for the cynical. Does that make sense?
Todd Jensen writes...
How did the Banshee get around Oberon's non-intervention edict when she kidnapped Goliath, Elisa, and Angela, and took them to Cairn na Culainn for interrogation?
Greg responds...
Her excuse was she thought they were agents of Oberon. The scent of Avalon was upon them, so she thought she wasn't interfering with mortals. Just with Oberon. Of course, she did this at her own peril. But there was nothing magical preventing her from doing it.
Todd Jensen writes...
You mentioned that the Archmage does take a little extra "time travel journey" in Avalon Part Three, if one watches carefully. Is this the part where the Archmage and Goliath are battling and the Phoenix Gate starts transporting the two of them all over the place? (I always liked that scene).
Greg responds...
Clever boy.
Vashkoda writes...
Wyvern area questions:
1) Do the ancient ruins within/beneath the Archmage's lair have anything to do with that ancient--and now extinct--fourth race of sentient beings on Earth? 2) Did the presence of a gargoyle clan at the cliffs of Wyvern have anything to do with those ruins in the Archmage's lair? 3) When I asked about your answer that the area was "mostly" haunted by Hakon and the captain, you asked "when?". So to specify, who else haunted the area a) in the days the 4th race still roamed the Earth b) the time between their extinction and the appearance of the Wyvern clan on the cliffs c) the time between when the Wyvern clan appeared and when Malcolm constructed a castle on the cliff d) The time between when Malcolm's castle was built and Hakon and the Captain were killed (this includes the period directly after the Wyvern massacre). 4) In "Shadows of the Past", upon looking at the carvings, Angela sees the Archmage attacking a gargoyle. Yet you said that the hieroglyphics in this cave were ancient, so they *couldn't* be of the Archmage himself, right? And Goliath seems to see something different. So are different people *really* seeing different things, or is Goliath hallucinating because of the ghosts, or it a property of the carving itself? 5a) Are the ones who built the ruins beneath the cave, also the ones who built the ruins over which Malcolm built his castle? 5b) Did any of those ruins at the old castle site possess magical properties, like the temple building in the lair? 5c) Were any parts of these ruins directly incorporated into the foundations of Malcolm's new castle? 6a) When the captain explained why they were trapped there, he said "Maybe it was the magic in this place....". Is the magic he's referring to solely a property of the ruins that were constructed there, or is the area itself inherently magical? b) If it's the latter, how far does this magic extend? Outside of the cave? The entire cliff? Miles? c) If it includes the cliff, would this magic still remain in the pieces that were transported to Xanatos's building? d) If the magic of the area helped hold Hakon and the captain's spirits, was it also a factor in why the Coldtrio's spirits were held in suspension and still around to be transferred to Coldstone? e) Hakon and the Captain seemed to be able to animate bits rock to look and act like Goliath's clan. But Goliath's clan was also killed nearby, and their spirits could have animated the rock-clan (except Demona). Just to be clear, was the rock-clan controlled entirely by Hakon and the Captain?
Greg responds...
Vash, it would really make my life easier if you would hit the return key between each question.
1. I'm not saying.
2. Sorta.
3. Does 4th race equate with LSZ's "Zeroth" race or am I just getting confused again? Look let me just sum up by saying that the Captain and Hakon weren't the only ghosts to ever haunt that place.
4. All of the above. And it could be the Archmage, if the carving is prophetic.
5a. Kinda.
b. Not so much.
c. Yes.
6a. Both.
6b. Wyvern.
c. Like radiation? I'm not sure about that. It's the place. A nexus of power. Holy ground.
d. Maybe.
e. Yes. They were attempting to gaslight Goliath.
Kelly L Creighton / Kya White Sapphire writes...
on august 23 you ansered someone's question about children coloring. ie- children are the color of their other-gender parent, but look like the same-gender parent. you said its not a rule, but its commonplace. then you said "Gabriel looks a bit like Coldstone with Coldfire's coloring." uhh.. did i miss something? ColdStone/Othello is grey with white hair, ColFire/Desdemona is brownsih with gold hair, and gabriel is GREEN... hes not colored like ColdFire... *blinks* or did i miss something? *laughs* i tend to do that..
Greg responds...
Keep in mind, I'm color-blind. I know what I asked for, but I may not have gotten it.
Duncan Devlin writes...
In Avalon (part 1 0r 2, I don't remember), the Archmage says something to the extent of "the stories of the sleeping king are ture?!?"
One of the weird sisters responds "All things are true."
I don't quite understand the response. From my experience, not ALL things are true. This seems like one of those "English to English" translations.
Greg responds...
I don't understand what an "English to English translation" means...
But she was talking of stories, and she was being loose. All stories have some basis in truth. All legends in the Gargoyles Universe certainly. That doesn't mean they are all literally true.
LSZ writes...
Did Anubis return all the lives Jackal/Anubis took(such as those crocodiles, and wipng out that town)?
Greg responds...
He could not.
Demona Taina writes...
Three in a row! [laughs]
Okay, I just remembered that you had asked me to repost a question but with a little more detail. :P Sure! Why not? [chuckles]
Okay, in the episode "Upgrade," Goliath and the trio are patroling the city. "It's a quiet night," Goliath says. Guess again. The Pack are robbing a bank. Goliath and the trio swoop down to stop them. It's a hard battle, but Goliath keeps saving the trio. Helping Lex catch a current, flinging Wolf away from Brooklyn.. making it hard for the Pack to take them down. Wolf gets tired of it, and throws a device at Goliath, and it hits him right between the wings. [winces in sympathy] Electrocutes him, and then he passes out.
My question is.. how did the trio get Goliath back to the Clock Tower after he got electrocuted? He seemed unconscious, though I think he sort of moved when the trio started to help him up.
Thank you for your time. :)
Greg responds...
They carried him.
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