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Greg, in a reply to matt's question you said Boudicca is older than Bronx. But how could that be since Bronx was with the rest of the clan in 994 A.D. and I'm guessing Boudicca is a beast which hatched with the rest of the garg eggs that were taken to Avalon? How could Boudicca be older than Bronx if this is true? I would not think that is should have to do with anything about how time passes more slowly on Avalon either, because logically Bronx would still be older or about the same age even though he was stone for a 1000 years.
Boudicca is biologically older than Bronx. Bronx is chronologically older than Boudicca.
Boudicca is the same biological age as Angela, who is approximately the same biological age as the Trio. (Though CHRONOLOGICALLY, the Trio is MUCH older.)
Bronx is chronologically twenty years younger than the Trio. Biologically ten years younger. Which makes him approximately ten biological years younger than Boudicca.
Whew!
oh, and also in the age of characters list you said that Yama is 29 and Sora is 19. their mates, and i thought there were never mates from different generations, Broadway and Angela being the exception. i figured that gargs mated among their rookery siblings because that way they wouldn't find a mate in a close (i.e. brother and sister) biological relative. so is it common for gargs to mate between generations? or are Broadway/Angela and Yama/Sora very different from the norm?
Broadway and Angela are a very unusual case for OBVIOUS reasons. (He was asleep for 1000 years. She grew up on Avalon. As a result they are nearly the exact same age biologically.)
Yama and Sora are atypical. But their love is not unheard of.
I don't ever recall saying that gargs from separate generations couldn't or wouldn't mate. It's just not particularly common.
The Children of Oberon who are the gods of legends thus they must be the first race and they are made of pure magic. The gargoyles who are the second race have some magic in them since they can turn themselves and their equipment into stone. While humans who are the third race can't perform any feats of magic unless they have a spell book. So my question is the magic energy on the Earth diminishing?
Faulty premise.
Gargoyles are the first of these three. That is, the oldest. They don't do any magic themselves. Turning to stone is a biological process. Turning they're gear to stone was a human magical spell, inflicted upon them.
Humans evolved second.
The Children incubated in magic and "evolved" third.
In response to Jim R.
Sorry to sound pompous
But our sun is a main sequence star and thus will never supernova. Our sun will as you say in about 6 billion years grow to a red giant and it may ingulf the Earth or it just may push the planets away from itself repsecting the relations ship of mass to gravity. The last stage in our sun's life will be the white dwarf and black dwarf stages and by then all life on earth will likely be dead. Except for Demona and Macbeth if they haven't killed eachother by now. Oberon's children will most likely not die either being that eternal beings don't die.
The timeline does not as yet extend out that far.
i was wondering how far you were on the revised timeline of the series and if you planned on posting it here when you finish. no pressure to get it done or anything, but alot of your answers to questions say things to the effect of: "Don't know, haven't gotten that far in the chronology yet." so i'm a bit anxious to see it...
I'm currently working on October of 1996 (though the entire thing is in flux until I've finished this pass -- which has to go through 2198 at least.)
As to posting it, I'm not sure. Haven't decided what I'm going to do with it yet.
Do gargoyles need to bathe, or are body odours etc disposed of via stone sleep?
Bathing helps periodically.
Since you don't have the characters' specific age with you now, care to arrange them according from Hudson(he's the oldest, no?)to baby Alex? A-Z? Thanks!
I'm at MY office today, so I do have some access. My timeline isn't yet fully REWORKED, so all of the following is tentative. But as of 12-31-95, here are the ages of many of our cast:
King Arthur 1510 (57).
Hudson 1117 (59).
Demona 1057 (35).
Goliath 1057 (29).
Coldstone 1057 (28).
Trio 1037 (19).
Magus dead at 1029 (71)
Katharine 1019 (61).
Bronx 1017 (9).
Tom 1009 (54).
Macbeth 990 (52).
Ang, Gab, Oph, Boud 917 (19).
Fiona 107.
Mace Malone dead at 100.
Leo, Una, Kai 97 (49).
Dominic 93.
Zaf, Obsid 77 (39).
Dane 76.
Jade, Turq, Yama 57 (29).
Peter 53.
Diane 49.
Xanatos 40.
Sora 37 (19).
Jason, Matt 31.
Fox, Robyn 29.
Elisa 27.
Talon, Dracon 25.
Jon 23.
Beth 20.
Thailog 1 (29).
Note, the numbers in parentheses represent biological age when it differs from their actual chronological age.
Alex was not yet born at that time. My current thinking pegs his birthdate as 7-9-96, a Tuesday.
Timeline questions:
1.What year did Iago decieve Othello about Desdemona and Goliath?
2.When were Luach, Canmore and Gillecomgain born?
3.For that matter have you decided what's the exact date of Elisa's birth?
All dates are tentative, at least until I finish my current reworking of the Timeline. But this is as up-to-date as I have it. (You caught me in the right office today.)
2. Gillecomgain was born in 982.
1. Iago deceived Othello in 993.
2. Canmore was born in 1031.
2. Luach was born in 1033.
3. Elisa was born in 1968. I haven't given her a specific birthdate at this time.
By the way, if anyone sees a reason why these dates (or any others I might post) don't make sense, don't hesitate to let me know.
Not that you would.
how long had Demona and Thailog been a couple when Goliath arrived in Paris? how long had Demona and Macbeth been in Paris?
The following dates are tentative, based on my current reworking of the timeline -- still a rework in progress.
Demona and Macbeth arrived in Paris on 1-1-96.
Demona first encountered Thailog on 1-2-96.
Goliath, Elisa, Angela and Bronx arrived in Paris on 1-21-96.
I as curious to know if gargoyles lived in North America before Columbus discovered it in 1492? I mean, surely the native americans (Indians) must have seen them. Because the episode involving Raven and Grandmother specifically indicates totem poles in the forms of gargoyles.
Actually, you weren't paying close attention. We made a point of saying the totem poles were not modeled on Gargoyles. (Raven lies about this, but Grandmother is clear. And by the end of the episode, it's also clear who to trust.)
Having said that, I have every reason to believe that Gargs lived in North America before 1492. After all, they clearly lived in South America before 1492.
Chronology questions, instigated by the City of Stone memo you posted... What years did the births of Gillecomgain, Canmore and Luach take place?
I know this. But it's at my Beverly Hills office, not here at Disney. SOrry. Try again later.
Dear Greg:
To make up for lost time, if/when the series comes back, how would you conduct the timeline?
Would you <a> speed up the timeline?
<B> Continue on at a careful pace and allow the plot time to grow until it eventually made up for the lost time?
Or <c> Forget the timeline you wanted and shorten it, bringing the gargoyles back to the current date in a few episodes?
Hey! Just curious... I'll just be glad the show is back, no matter how it is caught up!
If I'm reading you're question right, then I think <B> is closest to what I have in mind.
(But I'm not sure I'm reading you're question right.)
Have you ever planned out the way Demona and Macbeth meet
their demise, or do they just continue living for years and years? Have you even planned that far...?
Yes, I know.
I've planned many things VERY far out. Some of these things are random. Other things, I don't yet have a clue about.
You must have reached this point in your timeline: When were Griff, Leo and Una hatched?
1898.
And no, I haven't gotten to M.I.A. either in the present. But because I knew it had a flashback scene, I actually did the 1940 stuff before I started on the other episodes. That lead to figuring out their hatchdate.
I was looking through the archives and i found that you had said a LONG time ago that Yama was in his late twenties (biologically) in 1996. doesn't this mean that he already has had the oppurtunity to mate (at 20)? also, how many generations older is Kai than Yama and Sora?
I'm still working on my timeline revision, and I haven't gotten to these details as yet. I'm currently working on December of 1995, so I haven't yet dealt with the episode Bushido in any detail, and thus the ramifications of that episode -- even those that predate 1995 -- still haven't been accounted for in the revised document. Instead of guessing, I'd rather you give me the next six months to figure it out correctly once and for all. My goal is to be done by the next Gathering in Los Angeles.
I asked this question before and you responded
"I don't have my timeline with me, so I cannot assume the premise of your question is correct. Please resubmit it."
So now I'm resubmitting it:In 975 Goliath and Demona/'Angel' were 37 chronolgically, I think, and this seems to be a little young to be committing themselves to eacch other (compared to the trio, who were the same age in 994 but were single). Does that mean that the Trio mated late and the rest of their rookery siblings already have mates in 994, or did Demona and Goliath become mates long before their other brothers and sisters?
I think Goliath and Demona mated a tad young. A few of the Trios contemporaries may have mated at the time of the massacre, but most would not have.
I have a little question connected to 'Vows'.
In 975 Goliath and Demona/'Angel' were 37 chronolgically, I think, and this seems to be a little young to be committing themselves to eacch other (compared to the trio, who were the same age in 994 but were single). Does that mean that the Trio mated late and the rest of their rookery siblings already have mates in 994, or did Demona and Goliath become mates long before their other brothers and sisters?
I don't have my timeline with me, so I cannot assume the premise of your question is correct. Please resubmit it.
In you rmble about vows you mentioned a timeline that you had made that shows the ages of the characters at different times. You mentioned the captain of the gaurd being 29 in 975. You you post this timeline somewhere? It sounds interesting.
I haven't finished revising that timeline. I'm currently on November of 1995. And frankly, the whole timeline is in flux until I finish at least through 2200. So I have a ways to go before I can post it.
Um, noticed something wierd with the age thing in the old archive. It said that Goliath was around 58 years of age biologically, and chronologically that made him 29. But we see that Demona is also 58, yet her chronological age was typed as 35. And Othello's was typed as 28. How come? How is it that they are all generally the same age, yet they have different chronological agings?
And whoa! I never really paid that much attention to it before. But Angela is actually older than the trio! By about 14 years biologically, and at least four years chronologically. WAs there an adding typo here? Cause - lesse - *get's out calculator* - Well, Goliath's age definately checks out. But in order for Demona to be 35 chronologically, she'd need to be seventy biologically, making her 20 years older than her siblings. And Othello would need to be 56 biologically in order to be 28 crhonologically.
Then again, for Demona the extra years can be accounted to her 1000 plus years of wandering and mahem. But still, how could she be that much older chronologically? Or am I missing something here?
I think you're mixing a bunch of different responses up a bit.
Demona and Goliath and Othello were all the same chronological and biological ages until the night of the massacre. At that point, Othello died, and thus stopped aging. Goliath went to sleep for a thousand years. Demona KEPT aging, until she made her trade with Macbeth. Macbeth was 35 at the time, so Demona became a permanent biological 35.
As for the rest of your post, I'm away from my office and my NEW REVISED timeline at the moment, so I can't be too specific about stuff. But I think you've mixed things up.
Hoping you have your timeline with you, what year did Iago convince Othello that Desdemona was involved with Goliath, in the Dark Ages?
Sorry, I don't have it with me. I'm in my (once a week) Disney office. The Timeline is back at my own B.H. office.
Aris and I were discussing this in the comment room, and I thought that I'd ask you about this. I hope that you can answer this question without giving too much away about what you'd planned for the Halloween Double Date episode.
In 1996, the real-life Hunter's Moon fell on October 26. I'm assuming, therefore, that that would have also been the night of the Hunter's Moon in "Gargoyles", when Goliath and his clan confronted both the Canmores and Demona at St. Damien's. In such a case, Halloween would be just five days after the final night in the three-parter.
Now, I found myself wondering recently whether the double date of the sort that you'd described would even be feasible on Halloween less than a week after the gargoyles had been exposed to the city and the world, given that I seriously doubt that things would have settled down that much yet (and I can't even help but suspect that Halloween in the Big Apple would probably be a rather subdued affair after the revelation that some "creatures of the night" really do exist). On the other hand, your description of the Double Date and the events leading up to it makes it sound (to me, at least) as if it would have been taking place not long after the Kiss, so I find it a little hard to believe that it would be Halloween 1997 that it would be taking place on.
I don't know if you've tackled this question on your Gargoyles Timeline as yet, but I would like to know what your thoughts are on it (if you can give them without revealing too much).
I'm not that far on the revised timeline. I'm currently in late September of 1995. I can't answer you yet. Up until very recently, I only thought in terms of years. Never months, let alone days. For example, I didn't know until AFTER Hunter's Moon went on the air that the actual Hunter's Moon was in October. Once I've covered everything through Journey (and dealt with what I KNOW about 2198) then I will begin to fill in the blanks in between.
(Does it help or hurt to know that sometimes I'm just winging it?)
Greg,
Thanks again for hearing me out.
You have mentioned before the relationship between one gargoyle to another is by what rookery they were hatched in.
Now correct me if I'm wrong, but Broadway, Brooklyn, and Lexington were well on there way to adulthood by the time of the massacre. Angela wasn't even hatched. Now when the trio pursued her, wouldn't that be like rookery fathers wanting to mate with one of their daughters? Please clear this up
They weren't old enough to be fathers at the time those eggs were layed. That and the fact that age-wise by the time they met, they were contemporaries, makes it a non-issue.
A small tidbit that you revealed through the last contest was that the hatching of the eggs takes place in March 21st - the Spring Equinox, that is.
Now, I always felt it would be on an equinox or a solstice- those are the only dates that make sense really... Is the laying of the eggs also done on the Spring Equinox (ten years earlier ofcourse)?
How about the egg's conceiving? Have you decided how much time is spent between the eggs's conceiving and laying?
That's interesting. Maybe.
As for conception, maybe I'll make it a six month term and put it on the fall equinox.
The truth is I chose March 21st because it's my son's birthday. But sometimes things in the Garg Universe just seem to come together. It's cool that way.
1. The Guatemala clan has only for members left, but the claneggs all survived, haven´t they?
1a) About how many eggs are there?
1b) When will they hatch?
2. There are also eggs in Ishimura, England, Korea, Loch Ness, New Olympus and China, aren´t they?
2a) Are there any gargoyle-eggs located at other places, today?
1. Yes.
1a. Forty to fifty.
1b. They hatched in 1998. Unless something went wrong.
2. Yes.
2a. Not that I know of.
You remembered how you said that the events in Turf and Vendetta could have happened at the same time.
Did Avalon Part Three and Kingdom occur at the same time? Here's what I mean.
1. Talon asked Xanatos where Goliath, Elisa, and Bronx were. He didn't know. So that mean Goliath and company didn't disturb his projects in Eygpt, Scotland, etc.
2. Goliath, Elisa, Bronx, and Angela were probably fighting The Archmage's group while Brooklyn, the Manhattan clan, and the mutates were fighting Fang.
1. Kingdom clearly took place before Golem, which took place before Grief. I'm not sure, Xanatos had a way of finding out what exactly went wrong in Loch Ness or Giza, however. Who would have hung around to tell him?
2. I don't think it was quite that early, but I haven't worked it out so precisely yet. I'm working on that now, slowly but surely. Ask me again in the spring.
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