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Todd Jensen writes...
One piece of rambling/thoughts that I've had on Broadway for a while, and finally remembered to post here.
You've mentioned in the past about Broadway being a gentle soul at heart and the most perceptive of the trio (which was a major factor in he being the one who wound up with Angela). One thing that's occurred to me is that Puck must have noticed that, given how he handled Broadway in "Future Tense".
In "Future Tense", Brooklyn and Lexington are both extremely bitter at Goliath for going away for forty years (Lexington, in fact, turns out to be worse than bitter, and I got the impression that Goliath's long absence was a major factor in his turning evil). Broadway, however, welcomes Goliath back gladly, saying that what's important is that he's returned, and mentions that he never gave up hope that Goliath would come back someday. That definitely stood out all the more in contrast to Brooklyn and Lexington's attitude.
Also, Broadway definitely got the most moving death scene in the entire episode ("Yes, the sun. Can't you see it, Goliath? It's beautiful."). I don't consider that just an accident, either. Puck may not be omniscient (definitely not in light of his having to hurriedly invent an explanation for Thailog's absence when he found out from Goliath that Thailog and Demona had been mates), but he's clearly got a good handle on Broadway's character, I'd say.
Greg responds...
Yep. Puck and me and Michael Reaves, anyway.
matt writes...
you've said that lex was pursueing angela mainly because his brothers were and lex is the only trio member without a known future mate, so is lex gay? are there gay gargoyles?
sorry if you find this question offensive, im just wondering
Greg responds...
I don't find the question offensive at all. But I also don't want to answer it at this time. I've given away Brooklyn's mate, so I want to keep people guessing about Lex as much as possible.
And yes, there are gay gargoyles.
matt writes...
did Brooklyn have some sort of attraction to Demona in temptation?
why is brooklyn so damn horny? (no pun intended)
Greg responds...
Maybe a bit. But I wouldn't take it too far. (Though I know others have.)
Why is any teen-age male so damn horny?
Chapter XX: "Eye of the Beholder"
Written by Steve Perry. Story Edited by Michael Reaves.
It's really just a coincidence that we watched this so close to Halloween (11-2-00). I wasn't trying for that. This was just the next episode in the sequence. Still, when I mentioned before we started that this was the Halloween episode of Gargoyles, the kids got very excited. Erin pointed at the framed cell we have in our bedroom which depicts Goliath and La Belle Elisa dancing. She remembered that it came from the episode we were about to watch. Benny then commented that Elisa and Goliath are going to get married. Erin, who has a clearer memory of the last time we completed the 66 episode sequence corrected him. But I said something cryptic, like you never know. Erin said I needed to make more episodes so that we could find out. From her mouth to God's ears.
In general, the kids were very verbal during this episode, or at least Erin was. Benny started out verbal, but fell asleep with his mom rubbing his tummy somewhere during Act One.
In the opener, a classic scene I think, when he first saw Xanatos and Fox together he said: "That was you, Erin. I was him." in reference to the Fox and Xanatos costumes they wore to the Gathering 2000's masquerade.
Erin really bought into the tension of the episode. And it is very tense. Some terrific pacing to this. She remembered this one with much greater clarity than most. "Uh oh. That's not just any necklace." Etc. Personally, I just love Xanatos' pragmatic proposal. The truth is X should have already known that he was truly in love with Fox. I've just done some research into sentencing while working on and reworking my Gargoyle timeline. Fox & Wolf each received a 16 month sentence for briefly holding that model hostage in "Thrill of the Hunt". They had the opportunity to be parolled after eight months. They were rejected. Instead of waiting a mere eight more months for them to be released free and clear, an impatient Xanatos sets up the events in "Leader of the Pack". Is that a man in love or what? Nevertheless, we get his whole "We're genetically compatible and have the same goals" speech. She asks about love, and he feels himself largely incapable of the emotion. He thinks he's too amoral for that. "I think we love each other as much as two people like us can." (Or something like that. I'm approximating all these quotations.) It's fun.
Then comes the sequence in Mr. Jaffe's store. Erin is still very tense: "Uh oh, that's Fox. She's wearing the necklace." and "She wants to stop it [the necklace] with one arm. But she doesn't want to with the other." Here, Erin's hit right on Fox's internal conflict. Part of her is fighting the Eye, but part of her wants to surrender to its power. When X first confronts her in her bedroom, and when the Werefox emerges and attacks, it doesn't shred him. It throws him down on the bed. There's some powerful primal energy swirling 'round that room. Lucky thing Owen is there, or I'm not sure Xanatos escapes with his dignity intact.
Xanatos takes note and activates Plan A, which will be followed by B and C. And a makeshift D. It becomes almost a parody of all his contingencies and "Xanatos Tags" from previous episodes. For once, he's out of control. And he can't bear to admit it. He pretends (even to himself) that he just needs to recover the valuable Eye of Odin, when what he obviously really wants is to save Fox. "...I'd never have just given it away. Ah, well, spilled milk." (I always thought that was a great and yet feeble cover for his real feelings.)
Speaking of the Eye, how many knew back when it was intro'd in "The Edge" that it would be so important? As I think I've mentioned, the Eye was actually the creation of Disney Interactive which was working on a GARGOYLES VIDEO GAME at the time. They told us about the Eye, and I loved the idea and decided to incorporate it into the show. Unfortunately, we didn't use their design, which had this great crow/raven theme to it, appropriate to Odin. Instead, our design always looked vaguely Egyptian to me. I can't remember, but I think that maybe they're design wasn't ready when we needed to complete our model for "The Edge". Or it might have been poor communication. The Eye was designed at Walt Disney Animation - Japan. At any rate, we knew from the gamer folk that the Eye had metamorphic powers. But I wanted to be more specific. Yes, it would grant power, but it had to grant power that suited the legend of Odin's Eye. The Eye traditionally provided Mimir with the gift of sight. That easily translated to "insight" for me. Which is a kind of power in its own right. The Eye in the Gargoyles Universe would externalize and amplify a major trait of the wearer. And, yes, even then I had plans to eventually intro Odin himself and have him stick the thing back in his empty socket.
I think that shot from inside the elevator shaft when Fox smashes her way in is very cool.
Owen with an Elvis tribute: "Fox has left the building."
CONTINUITY
--The Eye of Odin, of course.
--Mr. Jaffe's poor grocery store.
--X's commando squad (including Bruno) is at the ready, yet still unprepared for the Werefox's fury.
--Since "The Mirror", Goliath is more open about his growing feelings for Elisa. She again defuses things by turning his concerns for her into a more objective statement about friendship.
--Goliath is back in the library. This time studying Werewolves. The information won't be useful, but isn't that just like him?
--Elisa immediately jumping to the conclusion that the were-thing is another of Xanatos' mutated victims like her brother.
HALLOWEEN - The trio are very excited to be able to stroll into the open. "No one'll know who we are." Better yet, "No one will know WHAT we are." The taste of conformity they got in "The Mirror" has opened a window on their need to be a part of something larger than the clan.
Another cool visual: Fox and Goliath circling each other, with Fox on all fours.
I love when Goliath tries to reason with Fox. "If Xanatos is your enemy, then believe me, WE are your friends." How little he knows. The Werefox immediately attacks him. Still conflicted. Throughout the story, Fox fights, but the Eye reasserts.
Time for Plan C. But Owen has noticed the flaw in Xanatos' usually stellar power of contingency. X claims that all he cares about is the Eye. But he's only setting things up so that the gargs will get the eye. Subconsciously, all he wants is Fox. But we have Goliath arrive and interrupt just at that moment so that neither X or the audience has time to focus on the contradicition.
X breaks down. Appeals to Goliath. He's out of control. Up to a point. ("Old habits die hard -- he still has the forsight to plant a bug on Goliath ala "Awakening, Part Three".
Gotta love Goliath's line: "Not a good night for you." It's great as a writer when you can legitimately turn the tables and give Goliath a Xanatos line.
HALLOWEEN 2
Broadway REALLY wanted to dress up as a Detective. So he's got a new trenchcoat and hat. Brooklyn, ever the swashbuckler, is a pirate. And Lex... hmm... what should we make Lex. We settled on a pilot, in keeping with his helicopter prowess, I guess. But it was never too clear what Lex would or should be, and I can't help thinking that Lex had trouble deciding on a costume too.
Of course, Goliath doesn't wear a costume.
Vinnie has a line here. Though officially, it's not Vinnie's first appearance, this one line of Jeff Bennett spoken dialogue "A costume over a costume." is the obvious inspiration for all that followed with the Vinster.
And I love Keith as that witch saying "That is a great, great costume." What a great, great line reading.
BEAUTY & THE BEAST. Finally, we get to hit the nail on the head. A moment so romantic (in a very romantic episode) that even the characters take note. Elisa lets her self go for a moment. Goliath just is. The kids are happy for them.
But "Things are not always as they seem". Goliath breaks the moment by attacking a guy in a werewolf costume.
Note: That Goliath now refers to Manhattan as "My castle, my city." A year earlier (more or less) he was calling it Xanatos' city. I love the notion that Goliath sees hope in Xanatos LOVING someone. And of course, he's right. Xanatos' love for Fox (and later Alex) will result in Goliath getting the castle back. Not war, but love.
Brooklyn and Lex finally get to eat pretzyls. Remember that in Awakening, Broadway ate them all. Meanwhile Broadway eat's a hot dog and BELCHES MIGHTILY. This was really more about all of us indulging ourselves in low humor. We put the burp into the script. Bill Fagerbakke burped loudly. But our sound effects guy Paca Thomas, put in the burp to end all burps.
CONTINUITY AGAIN
--Lex gets very intense (briefly) and wants to go after FOX. He still hates anything or anyone connected to his Pack experience.
--The return of Brendan & Margot.
Gotta love Elisa's costume. Holster for a garter belt. Very sexy. Solved our nudity problem with Fox too. I'm amazed we got away with that.
In a larger sense, I'm amazed we got away with the entire episode. I was very nervous that the notion of X and Fox getting engaged would be rejected. But the BIG BOSSES didn't focus on the fact that the engagement might lead to marriage. And fortunately, they weren't paying attention when that engagement led to marriage, pregnancy and a kid. I don't think they would have allowed it.
I could have done without Broadway eating his hat.
Fox's internal conflict is visualized when she sees Elisa as herself and attacks to silence that human voice inside her once and for all.
When, in slow motion, Goliath intercepts Fox and saves Elisa (who's usually fairly self-sufficient) it may be the purest moment of Hero saving damsel we have in the series. The dress helps of course.
A little HIGHLANDER inspiration here with Fox and the exploding sign.
I love that Owen's right there with the helicopter.
X is still trying to interpret things to suit his old (and dated) world view. He thinks Goliath is trading the Eye for Fox, which of course he wasn't. Goliath doesn't think that way.
"Now you know my weakness."
"Only you would consider love a weakness."
"You've never looked more heroic."
"A momentary lapse, I assure you."
All great lines.
Let's go home.
And Owen, who signed on BECAUSE Fox and Xanatos were so interesting to the Puck, SMILES.
And now a word about the episode from Erin Sydney Weisman (she typed this herself):
I am most interested in this episode. And the episode I watched was a spooky episode. And I liked the episode, because it was a very enchanting episode.
Lexy writes...
Hi Greg:)
In response to my last question,(IE: Why did Lex create a business) you responded "because it was there".
Are you saying that the business Lex "creates" isn't created at all,but commandeered?
Was the business given to him by a still unknown (to us) character?
Greg responds...
No. He saw a nitch and filled it. With his partner.
(But mostly I was being a smart-ass.)
Lexette writes...
I'm just curious to know how Lex, Brook and Broadway became friends.
Greg responds...
They're brothers basically. They grew up together.
Sothis writes...
Dear Mr Weisman,
I'd just like to congratulate you on the Angela//Broadway relationship. What with Brooklyn being my favourite character, at first I wanted to see him win Angela's affections. However, you've opened up some very interesting possibilities (jealousy on the part of both Brooklyn and Broadway). However, how (if at all) did you plan to involve Lexington in such a story? After all, he, like Brooklyn, could be considered a lonely heart now.
Greg responds...
Lex would no longer be part of the Angela "hunt". For that matter, neither would Brooklyn. Both of these guys would have to go out and find love on their own. Separately.
Anonymous writes...
I herd that in the future Angela and Broadway would have
kids.Just how meny kids will they have.
Greg responds...
3
Ruthlis Ahbanden writes...
I'm well aware that this is a stupid question, but will Broadway ever loose any weight? I mean, he's a great character, I love him to death, but I think people sometimes can't take him seriously 'cause of his weight.
Greg responds...
He won't lose weight. But he may get taller and the weight may distribute a bit differently... (See "Future Tense")
But he'll NEVER be svelt. Not as long as I'm in charge.
And if people can't take him seriously because of his shape, then they have a serious problem with appearances. And they DON'T get the show.
Rebecca writes...
How old are Brooklyn , Broadway and Lex and how did you create their characters ?
Greg responds...
In 1994, they were 1036 years old. But the human equivalent of 18. How we created them is a long story, I suggest you look through the "Original Development File" archive here at Ask Greg, and if you still have questions come back and ask 'em.
Kayless writes...
P.S.
This is going to sound amazingly retarded but are Coldstone and Broadway related? I ask this because the two have similar skin tones, the unique 'fanned' ears, and Coldstone's hair is white like Broadway's father, Hudson (assuming Hudson's hair has always been white). Hudson supposedly has a child from Goliath's generation, so that fits with Coldstone. Spurious evidence perhaps, but nothing ventured nothing gained. Feel free to hand me the dunce's cap. <:(
God, I need sleep.
Greg responds...
They may be related -- they're from the same clan after all, but they aren't biological brothers if that's what you are asking.
John writes...
Hi Greg,
One more question comming up from the archives:
In an message, "Puck 40" told you some of his favorite episodes. Then he says something like "I hate Broadway, but in Future Tense, he was fantastic", or so.
Then, in your awnser, you wrote "What, you hate Broadway?".
Well, it may surprise you, but there are MANNY people, that really HATE Broadway!!! Well, I could live with the charakter, but sometimes, he is just so dumb and stupid...wooah! Then it is really hard to like him.
He is the last "Comic remained person" in Gargoyles, I think, cause he allways done the wrong thing, like in "Deadly force".
And then the thing with Angela... some are really expecting that Brooklyn would be her mate, but then he choses Broadway, and some people I know, are sitting with a confused look in front of theyr tv, saying "WHAT??".
But I won´t tell to much, here comes my question:
What did you like on Broadway, and what did you hate on him? It would be nice, to see what you are thinking about him. I hope, that you could get some good words for him.
CU, John
Greg responds...
I don't hate anything about him. And I'll all but guarantee I've given him more thought than you. I also don't think he's stupid. He was immature when we first met him, but he's arguably matured more than almost any other character. The hard way. He's sensitive. Attentive. Learns from his mistakes.
Seems like a great guy to me. And to Angela as well.
Mary Mack writes...
How did Lex get dressed? I've heard the backstory about the Mage of Rome and all, but adopting minimum human body taboos seems like a bit of a challenge (at least!) for web-winged gargoyles.
Greg responds...
He has pierced wings.
Lexy writes...
Hello again:)
(re-post) ..*hits head* *grumbles* ya..I knew that..why did I post all these together..*sighs* ok here they are again!
1) Did Lexington _willingly_ ally himself with this partner knowing fully WHO the person was? (IE: was this a silent partner or did he actually have contact with the person and know basic things like there name, sex, SPECIES? *L*)
2) Did Lexington _willingly_ ally himself with this partner knowing full well their true motives? (whatever they might be..)
3) I suppose this is a dumb question considering we are talking about Lex here..but are we talking about a software type company? Games? VR systems like Future Tense? Or did you not have anything SO specific in mind?
4) Can you tell us why Lexington started this business at all?
5) Have we seen or heard of this partner yet? (*L* You said I might find this partner surprising.now is that ME or everyone else included? *jk*
6) You said this company would have reprocusions (sp) all the way up to 2158 (hopes she got that date right!)
Would these reprocusions be bad, good or a little of both? (mostly bad..mostly good..etc. etc.)'
Dare I ask a Lexington's mate Q? ^_^ ..ahh..you don't have to answer that one..
7) Will Lexington's mate be 100% gargoyle?
8) How long does Lexington's company last?
Ok..your right..I used the word 'depressed' out of line. How would I know if he was or not? Sorry bout that one.
Greg responds...
1. He knew.
2. Who can ever know someone's true motives?
3. I have something very specific in mind.
4. I could.
5. I'm not answering that now.
6. I'm not answering that now.
7. I'm not answering that now.
8. I'm not answering that now.
dj writes...
In the original wyvern clan didd you knoww who lex's mother would be
Greg responds...
Lex had a lot of mothers. Quit thinking like a human.
Nyrtleka writes...
You said that Broadway has a sibling, presumably a sister, named Hyppolyta. Where is she currently--- on Avalon? Was she slaughtered at the Wyvern massacre?
Greg responds...
She's dead. I'm not saying more than that now.
puck40 writes...
Greg responds...
Wow. Thanks. Yeah!! All of you! What are your top five favorite episodes and WHY? I'd really like to know. I'm guessing we'll get a lot of repetition, but what the hell.
You hate Broadway?
To which I respond....
I *used* to despise him. He never openly just popped out and was fun for me. Out of anyone on the show, he was the comic relief or stupid one, and I could've done without it. Brook I like for his sarcasm. Lex had the fun intelligence. Hudson wisdom. Goliath leadership. Bronx loyalty. Broadway... comic relief?
Thats what he seemed to be about at first. Or he was the one that made the mistakes. Firing the gun shooting elisa. He came across as really stupid that episode to me. When he wasn't stupid, pissed to the extent that... it was his fault, and it seemed like he was taking all his problems out on others. I mean... *poor* Glasses, to be picked up by your head like that. A very one tracked mind. He had a little saving grace in the Silver Falcon. You seemed to be trying to smarten him up. With Lighthouse too(i know I listed out of order). Though that episode have to admit... I wasn't paying attention to Broadway at all. Was trying to ignore him and just watch Macbeth with the Arthur speech. hee hee
Anycase, when he was portrayed in Future Tense. My opinion changed somewhat. I mean, this was what he could've become. Not blind, but he had the common sense, he didn't seem naive. regular series he would've of pressed that button on his collar until someone told him too probably. "Already on it Lex". He seemed like he had the experience of life. He came across as generally with a lot of development. I hope Puck was foreshadowing something there with him.
I hated Broadway. I see him more as the sensitive deducting one now with potential. So now I more tolerate him. Afterall, he did have that moment when I genuinely liked him in Future Tense.
later
Greg responds...
I'm glad your assessment softened a bit. But frankly, I think your earlier assessment was fairly harsh.
We got comic relief from nearly all our characters. No more from Broadway than anyone else, it seems to me.
Broadway, of course, was the "sensitive one" (as opposed to the "sarcastic one" and the "intelligent one", I guess). Nothing wrong with that in my book. All three of the trio made mistakes. In fact all of our characters have made mistakes. Broadway's BIG mistake in Deadly Force was just way more serious in its consequences than most. But one could argue that Brooklyn's mistake in Temptation was more active and could have had even worse consequences. Etc.
Broadway, for part of that episode, did take his mistake out on others. Many of us react that way. In the end, he stood up and took responsibility for his actions. And that was before he knew Elisa was alive, to "tell on him".
But, hey, just my opinion.
Justin writes...
Greg,
This isn't really a question as much as a statement. I used to think Brooklyn and Angela should pair up, but after reading your dozens of responses, and upon closer inspection of the three eligible males Broadway was the better choice. He truly cares for her.
Anyway keep up the good work.
Greg responds...
Thanks, Justin. I appreciate the consideration.
Scott Iskow writes...
1. Do Brooklyn and/or Lexington have any biological siblings on Avalon? Perhaps other blood relatives?
2. Does anyone in the Garg universe know or find out that Broadway and Hudson are related?
I know that these are questions that wouldn't matter to a gargoyle, but I was curious. :)
Greg responds...
1. Probably.
2. A non-issue. So no. I don't think so. (Unless I find some dramatic purpose for it that overwhelms what I think is the coolness of no one knowing OR caring.)
Todd Jensen writes...
I recently watched my tape of "Upgrade", and that prompted a fresh question on my part. In this episode, Goliath finally fills the SIC position, left vacant ever since Demona parted ways from the clan in "Awakening". What interested me was that Goliath took so long to finally think about appointing a second-in-command. "Upgrade" is 25 episodes after "Awakening Part Five", and in terms of the series' internal chronology, probably over a year later, but only now does Goliath finally get around to start looking for somebody to fill the second-in-command slot, after Hudson tells him that he needs a designated successor in case some enemy of the clan does kill or permanently incapacitate him.
So why did Goliath take so long to start looking for a new SIC? Was it anything to do with the fact that Demona had been the last one?
Greg responds...
Not really. Mostly, I don't think that anyone was qualified at first. Brooklyn emerged as a leader. He didn't start out as one.
I think Goliath was de facto counting on Hudson to be his second.
Taja Crute writes...
Hi Mr. Greg,
I was just wondering in Gargoyles why did you put in a sarcastic gargoyle Brooklyn. I like him being funny in all and I think his sarcasm really lightens things up when times get rough for the Gargoyles(after all he is my favorite character because he's funny).Though whose idea was it to make a sarcastic gargoyle?
Greg responds...
I think nearly all of them are capable of sarcasm. Brooklyn moreso than the rest, maybe, but I can think of sarcastic lines for everyone. I'm not sure it was any one person's idea. Sarcasm is just fun to write. We did want to have Young Gargs With Attitude. That was planned.
JADE writes...
Hi Greg,
Um, just one question. I heard a rumor that Hudson was Broadways father, is that true?
Greg responds...
Biologically, it's true.
Axem Gold writes...
I have Brooklyn questions.
1) Were there going to be conflicts between Goliath and Brooklyn (Second In Command).
2) Before he goes on his timedancing adventure will Brooklyn try a few more times to woo Angela.
3) Will Goliath consider turning over leadership of the clan to Brooklyn?
4) Will Katana join Brooklyn willingly or be dragged into the travel?
Greg responds...
1. Occasionally. Nothing major.
2. No.
3. Eventually.
4. Willingly sorta.
sub-0 writes...
were did you get the picture fo brooklyn holdiing the surfboard
Greg responds...
I didn't. I don't know where that came from. You'll have to e-mail Gorebash, I guess.
Todd Jensen writes...
You recently mentioned in your "Leader of the Pack" ramble about Hudson's good eye for deductions and strong tracking skills. It occurred to me that this is almost a parallel to Broadway's gift for strong perception (manifested in such cases in the series as his understanding not to call Angela "Angie" before she shouted "STOP CALLING ME 'ANGIE'!" and his recognizing what Elisa was up to in "Protection"). Are these similar traits of the two gargoyles what gave you the idea for Hudson being Broadway's biological father?
Greg responds...
They didn't hurt. Probably contributed. But I'd be lying if I said it was that conscious a decision.
The fact of Broadway and Hudson's (largely unimportant) biological relationship just seemed right to me. Another message broadcast from the Gargoyles Universe, I guess.
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