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I really enjoyed much of season one of Young Justice, but I was... disturbed by the Wally/Artemis relationship and its resolution. Though Artemis had many great storylines at the forefront regarding her family, the Wally/Artemis storyline seemed to focus mostly on HIS feelings and not really hers, which combined with Kent Nelson's comments about how Wally needs to "find his own spitfire" gives the relationship a very bitter taste of using a female character and her romantic attention as a tool to aide a male character's growth and/or something to be consumed to make him a better person.
We're never really given much reason to understand what appeal or advantages the relationship holds for her. I mean, the narrative hints/tropes are there and so I suppose there follows an audience expectation along the lines of "two people fight to mask their sexual tension" but I don't think just having the trappings of the trope without examining any kind of deeper emotional connection or commonality works. As it stands, it mostly just seems like they hooked up because That's How These Things Go and we were supposed to cheer for it for those same reasons.
Emotionally, it felt hollow and, frankly, problematic for the reasons I mentioned.
My apologies if this isn't the proper forum for criticism, but this has really been bothering me for a while.
Greg Weisman says:
"To begin with, I think you need to go back to Artemis' introduction in 'Infiltrator'. She saw a cute boy enter and that made her insecure, so she cracked a joke. He reacted VERY badly to being embarrassed, and that put them at odds, but I think that both were attracted to each other from moment one. We tried to show that without telling it - or at least without being on the head about telling it.
Then they challenged each other. Not just her challenging him, but him challenging her. And I think she came to admire his intellect - even when it was misdirected, as in 'Denial'. There has to be a reason that she kept at him. If he was of no interest to her, why would she bother? Then you have Kent Nelson. Both Wally and Artemis HEARD what Kent had to say, and it wasn't lost on them. But they didn't want to cop to it, because both felt the other didn't like him or her. So that insecurity pushed them both further into denial.
Then you have 'Bereft'. Here, as I've discussed before, they meet again for the first time without the negative first impression. They genuinely like each other, trust each other and are attracted to each other. When their memories return, so do their insecurities - neither will risk being the first to admit they like the other. But it's not like they forgot that (positive) time spent together. And it's not like their deaf to Robin's 'Get a room' line either.
And so on. Artemis saved the day in 'Homefront'. But she couldn't have done it if Wally hadn't provided the science. (And given her interest in science, revealed in "Denial", I think that would mean something to her.)
Plus, let's not forget the double-whammy of 'Failsafe' and 'Disordered'. Here we reveal just how intensely Wally feels for Artemis, and just how much interest each has in the other. The trick is neither is prepared to take a risk. Rejection from Superboy (such as it was) is nothing compared to the fear Artemis has over being rejected by Wally.
Wally meanwhile is afraid to admit his strong feelings for Artemis, so maintains focus on the safer Miss Martian. Artemis does the same toward Superboy. Both then have to be disabused of the notion that their crushes are viable. I tend to think that deep down, the revelation about Conner and M'gann's relationship was less of a shock to each then it seemed. They didn't want to admit to themselves what they were probably sensing deep down. One reason for Artemis' extreme reaction to the knowledge, I think, is that she was trying SO hard to think that Superboy was a possibility BECAUSE Wally clearly seemed NOT to be, and so she wanted to have something she could use to push Wally out of her mind.
So in 'Coldhearted', Wally learns some big lessons. Miss Martian is out of the picture - and that helps clear his mind. But mostly, he matures solidly in the episode. Now he's ready to behave differently. And in 'Insecurity', he's willing to take a risk. And Artemis rewards that risk taken, by meeting him part way. But she has other bigger insecurities in the way, and they REALLY get in the way, so that by the time we get to the beginning of 'Usual Suspects' - they're still at odds. But one of the reason they are SO at odds, is because for them, the stakes seem very high.
So when the truth finally comes out, it's a HUGE relief. She sees that he accepts her. He doesn't even have to say it. She can see that he does. And he sees that the reason she's been a pain have little to do with him. The deck is cleared.
Then they partner up in 'Auld Acquaintance', and they're a good team. All of which leads really easily into the kiss on New Year's Eve. (Another excuse to do something that they otherwise might have been scared about.)
From there, it's fairly clear sailing. I'm not saying there weren't any ups and downs during the five year gap, because there were. But they both know they have a good thing now. And they stick with it.
The irony is that a lot of fans seemed to think this was about opposites attracting. But we never saw it that way. In fact, we saw it as quite the reverse. Artemis and Kid Flash had so MUCH in common, it was nearly impossible for them to get together. But once they did, it felt very right."
[Response recorded on August 29, 2012.]
Mr Weisman, is Karen Beecher 18 or 20? While her database page says she' 18 shouldn't she be twenty due to the fact that she was 15 in season 1?
Greg Weisman says:
"They range from thirteen (Beast Boy) to twenty (Bumblebee)."
[Response recorded on September 18, 2012.]
Heya, Greg. Big fan of...well, virtually everything you've worked on.
I just have a Q or two about the Season 2 premiere.
Is Captain Atom acting chairman/leader of the Justice League now? If so, how exactly does the League leadership structure work in this show?
Thanks!
Greg Weisman says:
"As of Season Two, yes."
[Response recorded on September 24, 2012.]
"He was formally elected."
[Response recorded on February 2, 2011.]
"The leadership rotates."
[Response recorded on October 26, 2011.]
"Length of service is generally a year. Though there are exceptions."
[Response recorded on February 22, 2012.]
Hey Greg
Do you happen to know the ratings of each episode, does cartoon network tell you them,becuase I checked the wiki and theres nothing about the ratings. Not that I care about the ratings, I am sure they are really good but I would just like to know becuase I want Young Justice to stay on air for a long time.
Would ratings effect how long the show will stay on air?
Thanks
Greg Weisman says:
"That's not a consistent prospect.
I don't know.
I don't know this either. We occasionally get ratings reports from our bosses or from CN. But that's inconsistent too."
[Response recorded on September 26, 2012.]
What does "Keesy fem" mean when Lobo was insulting Wonder Girl in Happy New Year? Also, did Lobo said, "Keesy fem, your world is your world!" or was I mistakenly hearing those words? You do know some of us can't hear Lobo's accent very well.
Greg Weisman says:
"Some of the following language has been considerably toned down in translation from the original Interlac. For example, the word 'keezy' translates as 'little', but it has a WAY more pejorative connotation than that.
Also, we originally recorded nearly all of Lobo's dialogue in both English and Interlac so that we could decided later which we'd use with when. But I don't have immediate access to our final decisions handy, so I'll just give you all of it.
*Hahn Sho Lobo skahveyt-ka, ka SKAHvey keezy Krolo! [The Main Man can smell you, you stinkin' little Krolotean!]
*Ka ree? Ka REE? [Seriously?]
*Ka seh Hahn Sho Lobo, Krolo. Plee-ay suh frag. [Just you and the Main Man, Krolotean. Surrender or die.]
*Frag ka. [Die it is.]
*Ka ree? Keezy fem frag Hahn Sho Lobo? Ka ree? [Seriously? This little girl thinks she can take down the Main Man?]
*Keezy fem… [Little girl…]
*Rok tor keezy fem. [Planet of the little girls.]
*Frag-ka, Krolo. [Time to die, Krolotean.]
*SKAHvey Krolo… [Stinkin' Krolotean.]
*Hahn Sho Lobo lok toy. Keezy fem… ka rok, ka rok. [The Main Man's contract's complete. Little girls… your world's your world.]
*Vlash suh frag. [Shut up or die.]"
[Response recorded on September 19, 2012.]
Is Lagoon Boy's real name, La'gaan, also a reference to Gurren Lagann, an anime series in which Yuri Lowenthal voiced one of the main protagonists, or is it pure coincidence?
Coincidence, since I've never heard of "Gurren Lagann". I named him La'gaan to help try to justify his Lagoon Boy nom-de-guerre.
1. What is the difference between a wizard/witch and sorcerer/sorceress in the Young Justice Universe?
2. What is an alchemist in the Young Justice universe?
3. Is it more difficult for a magic user to use nonverbal spells then verbal spells on Earth 16?
4. What type of magic users are Zatanna and Zatara before he become Doctor Fate?
5. What were the main influences in how you decided to portray magic in Gargoyles and Young Justice?
1. There is none.
2. Someone who practices alchemy.
3. Depends on too many factors to answer cogently.
4. These seem like semantic concerns that I'm not sharing.
5. Mostly logic.
Hey Greg,
If M'gann is a white martian, why is Gar green?
She was green when she transfused him... assuming there's any connection there. ;)
I've written a letter on my thoughts and opinions on Young Justice and I would love to send it to you and the other writers for the show, but the Cartoon Network website has failed to give me any means of contact and I feel that the letter is a bit more private than to appear publicly on this website. If I have any other options, or if you have an email or website I can send it to, I would appreciate it greatly.
Other than this forum, I can only suggest you send it by snail mail to
WARNER BROS. ANIMATION
411 N. Hollywood Way
Burbank, CA 91505
United States
Quick question:
In YJ, what is that black thing Lagoon Boy is wearing on his left foot? Is it some sort of bandage?
It's the equivalent of a fanny pack.
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