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Mr. Weisman,
When you say that Alfred refrained from raising Bruce during the latter's childhood, does that also mean Alfred never had a moment to do what is shown in the flashback scene in the video link provided below?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkzYXXz7QCg
Mr. Weisman,
Will we ever see the Earth-16 version of Jason (son of Zeus and Hippolyta); even though he would NOT likely be related to Wonder Woman in the Earth-16 universe?
Hello Greg
In relation to https://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=26206
Yeah, basically Superboy doesn't think about that option, doing it all by himself.
But not to put this post with this alone:
1-Miss Martian never considered that the other members of the team/leaguers/heroes will see her actions badly?
2-I understand that her actions were unknown among the heroes, but for the Light (for example) after incidents like Psymon's, it was known? and was evaluated as a risk or a possibility if it one of their âagentsâ came in contact with her?
Sorry for the English, I hope itâs better than the previous times
A few Superboy and Miss Martian Season 2 questions.
1. Why did Superboy choose not to reveal to Nightwing or the Justice League about Miss Martian's abuse of power in season 2? I know it was stated he was hoping his own disapproval would make M'gann see what she was doing was wrong, but when that didn't work, including their break up and how she tried to erase his memories, I still don't understand why Conner wouldn't say anything?
2. Did he keep quiet because he didn't have solid proof of her abuse of telephay or did he stay quiet because simply because that despite everything, he still clearly loves her?
3. When they were broken up in season 2, wasn't the rest of the Team (mainly their longtime friends) ever curious about why they broke up? It's clear M'gann and Conner kept the true reason a secret, but what did they tell everyone when questioned about why they ended things?
4. Did everyone finally learn what M'gann did to Conner after they got back together. We know that Conner told Gar in the Torch Song comic, but did everyone else ever find out the truth and if so how did they feel after learning how M'gann basically betrayed Conner's trust as well as her actions towards him?
5. Did the rest of the Team ever feel stupid or idiot that they never saw or realize that Miss Martian's abusing of power? How could they have let it go on for so long and not try to stop her or confront about what she was doing! When Artemis saw what she did to Kaldur, she was shocked, upset and very disappointed with M'gann!
Were you always planning to have Conner have a different hairstyle when he and M'gann finally got married? Or were you just going as the story followed? Also why this hairstyle, was it done to make Conner look more mature?
At what point did the Team stop needing League-appointed supervisors/den mothers at Mount Justice? I assume that eventually Dick and M'gann would've taken on mentorship roles and acted as the "guardians", but I was wondering if you had a specific time that that had happened in mind.
Where were Zatana and Zatara living before the events of Misplaced?
Your answer to a recent question regarding Artemis, Robin, and Aqualad's whereabouts during Agendas made me wonder, what does a Bat-family Thanksgiving look like? Also, what did Kaldur's Thanksgiving look like, assuming he celebrated it in Shayeris. I doubt the traditional Thanksgiving turkey would work as a dish when surrounded in cold seawater.
Hi greg, big fan of your work
One question, what do you think about avengers earth's mighiest heroes.
Was Kid Flash going missing a public thing or kept private among the hero community? Was Bart declared missing as a civilian as well as Kid Flash? If he was, did there need to be a cover story once he got back? If not, was there a cover story for why Bart Allen suddenly wasn't around?
Hello, Greg!
Now that âYoung Justice: Phantomsâ has aired in its entirety, I feel that now is as good a time as any to give my (unprompted and long-winded, but well-deserved) review of the fourth season of what was once my favorite show. Iâm going to be honest and fairly blunt: this season was frustrating.
And no, not in a fun way.
I had so, so, so many problems with how you and Brandon broke this season down. Much like how you guys handled Outsiders, this seasonâs pacing is glaringly bad. It feels even worse this go-around, but Iâm gonna guess (or hope, rather) that thatâs only because this seasonâs arc formula forces a bigger emphasis on the pacing within three-to-five episode chunks, which in turn makes the flaws all the more apparent.
Donât get me wrongâ"the season wasnât bad by any means. I know it did consistently well (better than all three of the past seasons, I believe) on the charts and was almost always trending on the HBOMax page. By all accounts, I completely understand why you and the company would see the season as a metaphorical slam-dunk: because it was. And with all the chaos thatâs going on right now with the merger between HBOMax and Discovery, with the shelving of that nearly-finished BATGIRL movie, etc. etc., I know it's up in the air if the show is going to get renewed for a fifth season. All I can say is I sincerely hope it does get renewed.
But with all that being said, I do think it needs to be addressed that getting strong numbers on the charts and accepting the praise whilst ignoring and/or arguing away critics (hate-watchers, you called them) does NOT equal high-quality entertainment.
So letâs start from the beginning.
The notion of this arc-like storytelling seemed like such a good idea back when promotion started for the season, and many fansâ"myself includedâ"rejoiced when they were told (by you, Brandon, the crew, etc.) that each arc would be focused around an original Team member. Looking back, I really wished you hadnât gone down this route. The choice (per interviews with you and Brandon) seemed to mostly be a cost-saving measure with regards to being able to reuse backgrounds, locations, voice actors, etc. etc., while also theoretically allowing you guys to explore characters in a more in-depth manner, more so than previous seasons. On paper, it sounds great. Which is why itâs really a shame that the actual end product didnât seem to meet anyoneâs expectations on that front.
Now, Iâve seen your responses to criticisms about how each arc doesn't seem to actually revolve around the character theyâve been promoted as revolving around. Most of these responses seem to be you just digging your heels in further. Which just leaves me (and many others, the so-called vocal minority) to question whether the show you made is the same one that actually aired. Because no, Zatannaâs arc was most definitely not about or revolving around HER. Raquelâs arc book-ended with her, sure, but that giant chunk that made up the entire POINT of the arc itself? The same arc that had her speaking a maximum of, what, five lines an episode? Yeah, none of that was about HER.
That isnât to say all of them were like this. Mâgann and Connerâs arc was all about them, Artemisâ arc was all about her and her relationship with Jade, Kaldurâs arc was an overarching Atlantis plotline, yes, but it was ingrained around Kaldurâs detrimental needing-to-help complex. It should come as no surprise that those three arcs wereâ"by far and wideâ"the better of the bunch. Hence, it should also come as no surprise why SO MANY people found Zatannaâs so-called arc disappointing (because no, the main point was not Zatannaâs connection with her father, it was quite literally all about Childâs reign of terror) and Raquelâs arc was nothing but set-up (you could replace her with any other character and nothing about the New Genesis plotline would have changed). The only character I actually understand not being the primary focus of their arc is Dick, and OF COURSE thatâs the one character YOU believe actually got shafted in the end.
Iâm not saying Dick didnât get shafted, because he absolutely did. But weâve had three seasons of Dick content. He isnât a character whose backstory we know nothing about. Sure, I would have loved to see more of his psyche explored, would have loved to see how his relationship with the Batfamily has grown or diminished since Jasonâs death or Barbaraâs paralysis. I would have loved to see his relationship with his comatose Uncle Rick be explored more. But he didnât NEED an in-depth character-driven story.
Zatanna and Raquel DID.
We knew nothing about Zatannaâs home life outside of her father. Yes, the arc expanded on that. But it wasnât HER arc. We learned her mother died of cancer (which was told to us through the lens of Zatara, not Zatanna); we learned that her family is Catholic (again, through Zatara); we learned sheâs known Khalid since childhood (yet AGAIN, through Zatara). And even with all that information, it ultimately amounts to nothing even resembling character development and it certainly doesnât have anything to do with Zatannaâs actions (or lack thereof, in all honesty) during said-arc. I mean, not once did SHE get to narrate an episode of her own damn arc.
But Phantom Stranger? A character we just met? Sure. Vandal Savage, a villain that already had an entire episode dedicated to him last season? Yeah, why not! Nabu and Zatara seemed to be the only ones that made sense, really, and even then neither were directly about Zatanna herself. And thatâs just the narration aspects!
I mean, not ONCE did she use her own wits or magical prowess to try and fight off Child or accomplish anything of importance: the only reason she wasnât killed right off the bat by Klarion in the first episode was because he got called away, itâs Phantom Stranger that warps her to Roanoke where she does absolutely nothing but watch before Etrigan comes to help, and then itâs Khalid that is the one that revives her after she gets knocked out and nearly drowns. Itâs honestly so strange looking back to Artemisâ arcâ"where you cited the reason for the major change to Oracleâs backstory was because you wanted her to have AGENCYâ"after this. Where did all that agency go for this arc? Zatanna certainly didnât have any when she most definitely should have.
You could say that Zatanna did help out in the fourth and fifth episodes (you know, ignoring how she spent the entirety of the third sitting in a chair questioning Nabuâs motives and accomplishing nothing else whilst her students battled their own inner demons), but thatâs really not saying much. Having the lead character in an arc be relegated to backup in the final showdown was just... anticlimactic and boring. The one thing this arc did well was set up an amazing villain, only for her to be thwarted by Flawâs (fairly obvious, Hello Megan!) weakness.
Honestly, Iâm kind of amazed how you guys managed to have Zatanna be more helpful in the last episode of Raquelâs arc and literally ALL of Dickâs arc than she was in all (five!) episodes of her own. Amazed and kind of annoyed.
And then thereâs Raquel, who might as well be the display image when someone looks up the meaning of âeleventh-hour ranger.â Iâm not arguing her (in)significance in the first three seasons, but merely how, as a result of that decision, we as an audience know practically NOTHING about her. We know that she had Amistad shortly before joining the Justice League and we know she was engaged to someone, making her entire character seemingly just that of a mother and wife, which doesnât exactly define HER. Itâs not like she was either of those things when she became a hero, right? So what made her want to become one? Was it Icon? Was it for justice? For fame and glory? These are questions that SHOULD have been addressed already, but werenât, and so we as an audience are left to assume that theyâll be discussed and/or alluded to within her arc.
Instead, when the time FINALLY comes for us to get to know this badass, beautiful, versatile character on the most basic, fundamental level, weâre greeted with something just a notch below ableism. Huh? I get you guys were trying to showcase how even loving parents can make mistakes, but for THAT to be the first personal/familial trait we witness doesnât exactly paint her in the most positive light.
Which wouldnât inherently be the worst thing. Itâs a common trope to show that even the good guys have flaws that they must overcome. But you guys did literally nothing with that until the VERY END (and it's not even like that so-called âpay-offâ was worth the buildup, anyway), so are we just meant to not like her during the entirety of her arc? And it SERIOUSLY does not help that you guys chose to compare Amistadâs autism to Orionâs violent outbursts in Raquelâs eyes (which then weirdly turned into some sexual tension between the two of them by the end of the season for some reason). So much for those sensitivity readers you kept bringing up whenever someone criticized how well you handled Violetâs faith and/or queerness, amiright?
Speaking of, since this was in Raquelâs arc and said by Raquel herself (one of the few lines she actually had, sadly enough), the scene where everyone kept misgendering Violet was excruciatingly painful. I know youâve stated that it was an oversight and a mistake and you're not quite sure how it got past all of you (even those top-notch sensitivity readers, too!), but itâs pretty clear why this happened: you making Violet explicitly non-binary was a spur-of-the-moment decision probably brought on by the complaints on how you merely alluded to it in S3 but never really committed, choosing instead to safely fall back onto the standard she/her pronouns for the rest of the season. Kudos for the explicit confirmation here in S4, but this oversight really tells a lot about how you guys see Violet and, as a result, your non-binary audience. I know ofâ"at leastâ"a handful of people that stopped watching right then and there, one of whom I know personally, whoâd advocated so hard for a S3 back when it was on Netflix and went to all of the conventions and actually met you at a meet-and-greet panel back during the promotion of Outsiders. They were legitimately heartbroken. I understand this was a mistake (one that I am seriously trying to wrap my head around, because surely you had at least one non-binary consultant for this storyline, right?), but that mistake quite literally opened the floodgates and gave all of the homophobic DC fans even more leverage to use against us. That mistake will forever be ingrained in âYoung Justiceâ and itâs just... really disheartening, Iâm sorry to say.
Now, moving back to the actual meat of Raquelâs arcâ"which was apparently meant to be an important meeting regarding the camaraderie between New Genesis, the Green Lantern Corps, and the heroes of Earth. Obviously, thatâs not the point of the arc (itâs set-up for Lor-Zod, really), but it did feel extremely convoluted when the actual meeting lasted all of five seconds with a firm ânoâ from Orion and the GLs. Like, what? THATâs why Raquel and the others flew across the galaxy? What, a video call wouldnât suffice? It just seemed like a half-assed attempt to explain Raquelâs involvement, which does nothing but strengthen my statement earlier that you couldâve switched anyone in for Raquel and nothing wouldâve changed.
I know sometimes the plot forces the story one way, but to relegate the plot-focused arc onto the least developed character? Really? It just left us with more questions than answers (and no, in this case, thatâs NOT a good thing). Why did she become a hero? Does she have any family outside of her son? Where was Icon during all this? Who was Raquel engaged to? Was it Noble, the obvious choice, thus forcing us to question why the hell that was a secret at all? The entire storyline seemed like one big missed opportunity, and the overall structure of it all did not help in the slightest.
Itâs not like this is the only arc with a weak story structure, but itâs by far the worst. âEncounter Upon the Razorâs Edgeâ was probably the worst example of pacing and prioritization Iâve seen in a LONG time and it was honestly laughable. I genuinely have no idea how you thought introducing yet another character (that played NO PART in this seasonâs storyline) and centering the ENTIRE episode around him (therefore DETRACTING an entire episode from an already existing, supposedly main, undeveloped character) would make sense from a narrative standpoint at all. I understand you guys wanted to pay homage to âGreen Lantern: The Animated Seriesâ with the writers, and I get it made a lot of fans happy to see Razor again, but this stunt was an extreme injustice to both Raquel and the overarching plot. It got to the point where I was so frustrated (and bored, too, in all honesty) that I just wanted her so-called arc to end already.
How you are able to look at either of these two arcs and say with confidence that âyes, both of these arcs did actually revolve around their leading characterâ utterly BAFFLES me. And donât get me wrong, I certainly donât expect you to read this and agree with anything Iâve said. I get that youâre proud of this season and you obviously liked what you and Brandon came up with for each of these arcs. But the evidence to support your claims of Zatannaâs and Raquelâs individual presence just isnât there, making your repetitive dismissals of these criticisms all the more infuriating.
Moving on, I think I should bring up one of the major themes of the season: mental health. I think the concept itself looks good on paperâ"showcasing how worsening mental health and depression can affect someone and the people around them, particularly with how people RESPOND to it.
But as we discussed with the arc structure, something looking good on paper does not equate with it translating well on-screen. And yet again, I do sincerely get where youâre coming from. Like Raquelâs ingrained ableism, you wanted to showcase how even your loved ones can miss the signsâ"you wanted your show to be as realistic as possible (as youâve stated when discussing this very plotline). But this so-called realism doesnât make sense in this context.
Everyone around Garfield are superheroes, the majority of whom are superhero adults with YEARS of experience under their belt and one of whom is specifically trained in psychology and therapy. Even among his peers, he had Ed, who was a peer counselor and who ALSO has some experience in a formal professional setting. This so-called realism fell flat for a lot of people watching because superheroes would KNOW the signs of depression. They would SEE and RECOGNIZE what was actually happening and would certainly put more emphasis on helping Garfield even if he didnât necessarily WANT their help.
I just found it extremely convenient for you (and frustrating for the audience) that when some of the Outsiders actually confronted Garfield about blowing off their missions and lazing about, it was Courtney doing the talking instead of Ed who was RIGHT THERE and didnât say a word. Or how, when Blue Devil noticed something was off with Garfield, or when Mâgann, Robotman, Cassie, Jaime, and Virgil had their little intervention, none of them went to Black Canary until nearly the END of the damn season. And low and behold, she got through to him in one therapy session. It was just so extremely convoluted and could have been wrapped up in the first half of the season if you guys hadnât made the adult superheroes act so inept.
Maybe then the Razor butt-in plot or the Infinitors/Markovia storyline during Dickâs arc wouldnât have been as jarring and/or pointless and/or detrimental to the other characters because youâd actually have the time to showcase everything you felt the need to showcase.
Or you could have used that extra time to depict other charactersâ"it sure would have been nice to see how the Outsiders and/or the Flash Family reacted to Bart being missing (we were TOLD Jay was having a hard time with it after he got back from New Genesis), or how being Doctor Fate was affecting Zatanna, Khalid, and Traciâs lives, or how any member of the Batfamily was doing. I donât know, it just felt like you guys were building up so much potential inner turmoil for certain characters only for you guys to just never go anywhere with it or make the waiting pay off by showing it on-screen.
But thatâs more of a problem with your whole premise of the show than anything. âTell rather than showâ seems to be your guysâ writing mantra these days. The amount of exposition spewed at us this season wasnât as bad as in Outsiders, but thatâs really not saying much.
All in all, I do think the season was okay. Certainly better than S3. But itâs still nowhere near what the show once was back in the S1 and S2. Which really is a shame, because some parts of this season were absolutely wonderful. The first two arcs were pretty great (that fight scene in the dark during Artemisâ arc still gets me, holy crap) and I truly adored Kaldurâs arc, which Iâve come to realize was definitely my favorite. Dickâs arc was fine for me because of all the shafted characters, he was the one that made sense to shaft (though WHY not a single member of the Batfamily appeared at all until the wedding is still a mystery to me. Poor Tim will never get a speaking line, will he?). As youâve read, it was Zatanna and Raquelâs arcs that ruined an otherwise good season for a lot of us. Had the season not been divided into chunks, I feel like their respective roles would have shined more in the long run.
Now, in spite of my tirades above, I genuinely do hope for a fifth season. I may not agree with or like every decision you make, but I think you and Brandon both have got a great show in your hands and I do truly want the best for it. But the criticisms Iâve stated are still strong and honest criticisms and the misgendering mistake you guys made ruined the show for a good chunk of people. So if a fifth season does come to fruition, I really am hoping for and expecting more.
Maybe that makes me entitled or snotty. I know I probably come off sounding like an arse and you probably didnât like a single word of what I wrote. Hell, thatâs even if this post makes it beyond your moderators. If it does, just know that this (albeit frustrated) criticism does genuinely come from a place of love for the show and a desire for it to get better with every passing episode.
Thanks for reading, and I am sorry if this spoils the mood a bit for you. If it does, remember Iâm just some anonymous nobody on the Internet with a bit too much time on their hands.
I hope you have a good rest of your day.
At what age do League members retire?
Why did you Greg and staff decide Garfield would rescue Perdita in issue 6 of young justice comic targets but Garfield and Perdita would not get back together in a dating relationship in by the end of young justice comic targets issue 6?
Is Traci fighting any specific tentacled eldritch horror in Targets Issue 2 or just a generic tentacled eldritch horror?
Mr. Weisman,
With the Warner-Discovery merger apparently messing things up big time (like canceling the "Batgirl" film, for example), should we be worried about the possibility that "Young Justice" MIGHT NOT get renewed for another season on HBO Max...? If that happens, do you have a contingency plan? If the show doesn't get renewed, do you intend to continue "Young Justice" as direct-to-video animated films; as part of DC Universe Animated Original Movies?
Hello Greg. I have a few questions for you
1. Who is Beast Boyâs father?
2. What is Black Mantaâs real name?
3. Did Kaldurâs mother Shaâlainâa marry Black Manta before she fell in love with Calvin Durham?
4. Are Violet and Harper a couple now?
1. The al ghuls have NEVER been portrayed as Muslim. Theyâre not even drawn as Arab 99% of the time, plus Raâs al Ghulâs origins as a character are rooted in the yellow peril stereotype. So you canât retroactively claim Talia al Ghul as a Muslim character.
2. Someone asked you if Queen Bee was Muslim years ago and your response was âprobably,â indicating that you hadnât really thought about it - and why would you, religion was never part of this show originally
https://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=15649
In the comics, Queen Bee is depicted as white, you guys chose to make her Arab, so thereâs no history of her being a Muslim character either. The whole concept of Bialya being a terrorist state in the Middle East is also rooted in racism and Islamophobia, so I donât know if you really want to claim that either.
Thereâs nothing wrong with making Muslim characters villains as long as they donât fall into racial caricatures, but you CANNOT claim those two as Muslim characters to deflect criticism of Halo. It is revisionist history and you know it. Furthermore, it wouldnât change the fact that Halo is the first and only hijabi, who face their own unique stereotypes in media. If you think just because theyâre Arab, that automatically makes them Muslim, thatâs a whole other problem.
You messed up by making your first explicitly Muslim character a possessed corpse. Stop making excuses and own up to it.
Hello,Mr.Weisman,one question to ask you,please
Why you and Vietti put Milestone characters in Young Justice aka Earth 16?
Is it true Dynamite Entertainment is going to have you with them on new Gargoyle's comics?
Night wing and zatanaâs future?
Mr. Weisman,
In regards to the Earth-16 version of the Justice Society of America/All-Star Squadron, what is the chronological order of recruitment of its members (with dates included, if possible)?
Mr. Weisman,
Will we ever see the Earth-16 version of the superhero team known as Gen 13?
At the end of season 4, when the Super Martian wedding finally unfolded, Miss Martian had forgone her freckles, and Superboy sported a new haircut. Are these looks permanent, or exclusive to the wedding?
Johnny Kent and Superboy have the same physiology of being half Kryptonian, half Kryptonian. So why does Johnny seem to have a more complete power set than Superboy?
Mr. Weisman,
You have previously mentioned that the Earth-16 version of the Justice Society of America disbanded due to pressure from the United States government in wanting the heroes to reveal their identities. But who SPECIFICALLY within the United States government came up with this suggestion? Also, did Harry S. Truman (the 33rd President of the United States) also agreed with this suggestion; if so, how exactly was he convinced/persuaded?
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