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<Lord Sloth wakes up>
Yawn, did I miss anything? The room must have been pretty quiet for me not to wake up; <looks down> then again, maybe not.
I might respond to some of this (the key words are MIGHT and SOME), but not till next as I'm running out of time, and I'm sure none of us want to go through another of my self eulogies when the CR reboots around me. It's not a pleasant feeling anyhow.

Lord Sloth - [spunkidge13@hotmail.com]
Kingston, ON, Canada
Sunday, July 7, 2002 11:59:41 PM

My Gathering 2002 picture gallery is up. I still have some more I'd like to add, but here's most of them. Click my name.

Also, my journal is up too, edited better for spelling and grammar.

I'll post this again on Monday since the room gets wiped tonight.

Jim R. - [<-- G2002 photos]
Sunday, July 7, 2002 10:48:57 PM

Cycle of life stuff. Plants feed herbavores, herbavores feed carnavores, and carnavores when they die are eaten by things. The decayed bits and animal waste go to feed the plants.... and so it goes.

PETA is quite nutty, in it's extreme forms. They want humans not to have pets, as it's animal slavery. All pet animals should be, according to PETA, fixed so they cannot breed more pets. Ever. O_o

As for Mad Cow disease, if the US had an outbreak, all it would mean is that all animals in a several mile radius of the infected area would be destroyed. That would be all healthy animals within several miles of any confirmed sick ones. That would also mean any wild animals in the area would have to be destroyed for fear they'd travel and contaminate other areas. And what would it accomplish? It would mean meat prices would go up, and nothing more. The rich would import beef, and the poor would eat other meats (chicken, fish, etc) until herds were built back up and beef prices get reasonable again.

PETA extremists would just be killing tons of healthy animals and having the bodies go to waste. Mad Cow disease is also intensely gruesome way for an animal to die, so they'd be horribly torturing animals to gain their goals. The pure hypocrisy of that is just mind boggling.

Me, I like my pet kitty cats, my hamburger and french fries, and my nice new jacket that looks so much like Elisa's jacket *^_^*

Well, off for my daily exercise. later.


Sunday, July 7, 2002 10:33:07 PM

Pigs and Chickens>Okay, first no one can say an animal here is for the sole purpose of being eaten. Pigs in the wild tend to clean up. Chickens and pigs both held spread seeds, for what seeds they may eat survive being digested, when they come out the other end, they are spread to places they might not have inhabited before. Pigs have been proven to be highly intelligent as well. Even smarter then dogs. Pigs can make good family pets. I have known chickens as family pets as well. Also, these animals were here before us, whether you believe in God or no higher power. Yes, we have changed them over thousands of years, domesticated many animals, but they are no less the animal their ancestors were. No creature was meant to be consumed or killed or used for our pure enjoyment or fullfilment.
Now I understand and know, without predators, meaning us, lions, leopards, wolves, sharks, etc, prey animals would over populate. Look what happened on much of the U.S. with the deer population. People killed most of the cougars, wolves, and bears, so the deer population boomed. Now all the Bubba's give the silly reason that since there are so many deer, they gotta kill them, but if it wasn't for their granddaddies, there wouldn't be a deer over population in the first place...Human stupidity at its finest.
But the difference between predatory animals and us is that they usually kill off the sick, weak, young, and old. They are also kill on oppritunity as well. And animals only kill when they need it and only what they need. A pride of lions doesn't kill a whole herd of wildebeest. Sometimes, they are lucky and are able to kill two, and three in one single hunt, usually due to larger prides and good hunters, but they are lucky to get one, and most predators have the odds against them. Humans have it easy, we breed the animals in captivity and slaughter them by the thousands to millions a day, much of it ends up going to waste.
My family as well has really cut down the beef here. I follow PETA a lot and apparently, one or more of their more eccentric memebers stated they wanted to taint the cattle industry here with Mad Cow disease so they could shut down the beef industry for a while, if not forever. The hysteria it caused in England and what not, already spread to the U.S. for a short time, but they want to have it here for real. Those memebers are disturbed, really. Whether they could succeed in such a stunt, I really don't know. Something like that is harder then throwing red paint on rich ladies wearing fur. But I wouldn't put it past them. That was a year since I heard that though, but it still kinda puts me on edge a little. If there is a Mad Cow break-out here, you can bet who started it.

Sunday, July 7, 2002 09:57:54 PM


It seems that lately, Gargoyles is gaining a second life. more and more people seems to reckonize the show when I mention it. And boy, nothing could cheer me up like that!

Jen> Have you read the New Jedi Order books? I just finished Vector Prime and I'm abot to start the first one of the Tide of Darkness miniseries. Frankly, this arc really bring some fresh air into the Star Wars verse.
It's kinda like the Nemesis plot in the Trek Verse. A new ennemy to shatter the status quo.
So I'm wondering. Is Greg planning to bring a new ennemy in the picture. An ennemy that noone knows? Boy, that would really kick arse!

Denis - [malkavien@lft.be]
Sunday, July 7, 2002 07:32:02 PM

Hey all ^_^ Long time no post :)
All this excitement about Gargoyles on DVD has got the old juices flowing again (heheheh)
Anyway, I'm just writing to say that I stopped by my local Disney store and have 8 of the Gargoyles pins in my possession (I would have more but that's all they had on the rack) if anybody is interested in owning one, please e-mail me. This offer is meant as an attempt to spread the love :) If you can't get to a Disney store or don't have one in your area, all I'm asking is $5 per pin (yes, I'm offering to eat sales tax AND shipping) I'll be picking up more as they become available from my local store but I will be sending them out on a first come, first serve basis. If you DO have a Disney store in your area, I highly recommend getting yours there (if they're available) in an effort to show Disney that there's a market for Gargoyles in other places than just Fresno, California :D

<Insert witty exit message here>

IRC Goliath - [irc_goliath@yahoo.com]
Fresno, California, USA
Sunday, July 7, 2002 05:47:31 PM

Bud> I'm talking about from a human perspective. We eat pigs because they don't do anything for us, whereas horses till the land, etc. so we don't eat them.

Gabe> Mabye here cats don't catch mice, but I remember in India, if we had a rat problem, we would just put a saucer of milk by the door and let a stray cat come in and kill our mice. The cats in the villages are pretty much domesticated, they just don't have an owner so they roam around licking themselves and killing the mice that are giving us problems. Even though they don't serve that purpose here anymore, we still have an emotional bond with them so we refrain from killing them and eating them. Sort of like not naming your farm animals.
As far as the pain thing goes, the only reason plants don't feel pain is because they don't need to. Animals feel pain because they can respond to it. Like if a gazelle gets bitten, it thinks "Better get the hell outta here." and either runs or fights. A plant however, cannot run or fight so pain would be useless. If something tries to eat rip a potato from the ground, it's pretty much screwed. So though the plant feels no pain, you are still killing it. Cutting short a life so that you can have a nice baked potato or even a desk to put your computer on.
You may not be judging them by how human they are, but because you, as a human have a high level of conciousness, it is easier for you to sympathise with an animal that with a plant. Therefore, you feel more guilty about killing a cow than you do about killing a carrot. If you were an Ent, you may value plant life more than you do animals.

Sunday, July 7, 2002 02:57:42 PM

Denis - Chewbacca's Death... yeah... I know. I think it just makes the similarities all the more prominent. :P

Aaron - Are you sure we are emotionally ready to see your Gathering journal at all? ;)

Spacebabie - "Especialy since Oswald is no where near as buff as Jason." I like men with BULK!! BEEFY MEN! Blue eyes and dark hair scores points with me too. Like a drug! ;)

I have a CHAIR!!! Finally! Went and bought a new one yesterday. I can actually sit at the correct height to my desk now! Take THAT carpel tunnel! And on behalf of such a grand event. I think I shall go draw some more. :)

Jennifer "CrzyDemona" Anderson
Sunday, July 7, 2002 02:25:16 PM

Food animals > another reason that animals like cats and dogs aren't as often on the menu is because predators apparentlt aren't good eating ; ) The meat would be stringier and not have as good a flavor because of their all-meat diet and lower fat content.

Zombie news > well, alas, my story didn't win the award. The other story from the anthology did, though, so kudos to Team Zombie!

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Sunday, July 7, 2002 02:05:59 PM

It all started when Fang said, Hey Goliath! how many gargoyles dose it take to screw in a lightbulb?
Then some great people made a huge joke about it!
Here is what they think the clan would say if a lightbulb burnt out.....
Brooklyn and Broadway: Leeeexxxxxxxxx.... The Bulbs Dead!

Goliath: Trio, take care of the bulb. Hudson, you and Bronx guard the tower. Elisa and I are going to make out H^H^H^H^H go and guard the city.

Macbeth: I'll not attack a bulb that's out....

Matt:; To self::Hmmmmmm.....this might be a illuminati test, " I'll change it!"

Xanatos: (After bulb's been out for 2 sec. then replaced) Thank you Owen.

Griff: "Come to help with the lightbulb,have you?"

Brooklyn: "I KNOW Dmona is behind this...."

and finaly my personal fav.

DEmona: I don't know who is the bigger fool......him for burning out....you for sitting in the dark or me for not changing it!

click my name to see alot more like these!

Sunday, July 7, 2002 02:00:52 PM

cant we still feel sorry for the plants? lol ;)
Sata - [waverly_girl@hotmail.com]
Sunday, July 7, 2002 01:27:32 PM

comment> There are tons of substitute meats made from soy that actually tastes really good. Grocery stores carry them really cheap. And I find fruits and vegetables quite edibable (sp?).

Matt> Yeah, I think Aris hit it right on the bone. Plants don't have brains, ergo they don't feel. There's nothing that tells it what touch is. Venus Fly traps have specific sensors that tell it something is on it. If a plant is devoid of a brain, it has no touch sensors on it that indicate levels of touch-intensity.

Why do you think horses jog when you stirke it with a whip? They are trying to get away from the whip.

Jimmy> Cats no lnoger play a heavy role in eating mice. Most people either call a pest controle guy to do that, or they buy poison. Both of which are much cheaper than buying and feeding a cat.

Plus dogs and cats aren't seen in those old roles. A lot of homes usually give away their domesticated animals because they got bored of them or they no longer want to raise it; its not based on their level of usefullness to do x y z chores.

And I am not judging animals based on how human they are. I am making my ethical (not moral) judgement based on how high their level consciousness is, how developed and evolved it is.
Gabriel "gaygoyle"
Sunday, July 7, 2002 12:01:12 PM

Animals vs. Plants: I'm not a vegetarian, but I can't buy that there's no difference between an animal (mammal, I mean, like a cow or whatever just for example) and a plant. If you cut a cow deep enough, it will die. Most plants, if cut, are designed by nature to regenerate and therefore, do not die.
Also, if we can't eat animals because it's cruel, and we can't eat plants because it MAY be cruel, what are we supposed to eat, fruit snacks? I don't think anything natural goes into fruit snacks... or hotdogs... nothing natural there either...

Welp, that's it. G'bye.

Sunday, July 7, 2002 11:28:24 AM

matt> "and just cuz it has no brain doesn't mean it doesn't feel pain."

Umm... matt? Yeah, it does. :-)

Aris Katsaris - [katsaris@otenet.gr]
Sunday, July 7, 2002 06:05:40 AM

Gargoyles Pins> *peaks out of lurk mode* The Gargs pins are available at Disney Stores. I bought 2 and they cost $5.00 each. They are apart of the '12 months of Disney Magic' pins. I got mine about a week-10 days ago. I think the pins are a good weight and of good quality, too.

Morgana Fae - [mlz2883@aol.com]
Sunday, July 7, 2002 05:52:11 AM

Jimmy> "Pigs and chickens, however, are pretty much meant to be eaten."
And what gives you the right to make that kind of judgement? Just because it looks to you like they have no other purpose doesn't mean that they can't have a purpose that you aren't aware of. Maybe you ate the world's greatest mathematician for dinner last night without knowing it, just because humans aren't able to distinguish between the chicken words for "The integral of 2x+5" and "Ack! What's that big sharp thing headed towards my n-"

Obviously, that possibility is _not_ the reason that I don't usually eat meat, but I don't have the energy to get seriously involved in this discussion right now. Maybe tomorrow night.

"Mabye I should write a book on the subject."
That better have been a joke.

Bud-Clare - [budclare@yahoo.com]
Sunday, July 7, 2002 03:18:41 AM

Veggans and whatnot>What makes humans different from most omivore animals is that we have that choice for what we want to eat. Most animals are "programmed" to hunt and kill certain animals or to eat only certain plants, or a little of both. A few animals seem to choose as much as we do though. Some pods of orcas/Killer Whales, kill and eat sea lions, dolphins, and whales. Other pods eat fish exclusivly and never bother easy sea lion meals. Chimpanzees have a very similar choice, some troops kill and eat monkeys, some don't. As much as Hindu's don't eat beef but Christians do. Not that I am saying the animals have religious beliefs about it, :P. Just saying they either they don't have the taste for that creature or they were raised that way. I eat chicken and turkey. I don't eat seafood, because I don't like the taste, and my love of the ocean runs deep. I can't eat something that came from there, many times, other animals end up dying just to get that one fish on the table (just cause it says, "Dolphin Safe", that just means dick to me). I also don't eat any beef. That is a psychological thing. When I was 10, I got a burger at Burger King and there was a cow's tooth in it and a small bone. I freaked out. I have tried to eat red meat years after and I just automatically throw up. I can't stomach it, and I know it's purely psychological. I should have sued Burger King, I've been anemic since then, because of low iron, I'm already a picky eater so the red meat gave me the iron I needed. I'm a lot better now though then I was years ago, I like dark leafy greens :P I don't eat pork much at all, very little. Breakfast sausage now and then, and that is the extent of pork for me. Can't stomach lamb, veal, venison, duck, or any other wild game. I do drink milk, eat eggs and cheese.
Sunday, July 7, 2002 01:06:33 AM

For those who haven't yet had a chance to see the new Gargoyles pin I've uploaded a picture (a collage of 3 actually) of the pin I received from a friend a couple weeks back. I don't have a digital camera so I had to make due with my collection of web cams. If you look closely you'll see the camera's reflection.

You can view it by either clicking on my name below or pointing your web browser to: http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/images/pin.jpg

Gorebash - [gorebash@s8.org]
Sunday, July 7, 2002 01:03:53 AM

This may be a little off subject, but the talk about vegetarism(sp?) made me remember a show a saw on the discovery channel a few years back. Basically, what I got from the program is that Humans have, for thousands of years, been eating just about everything that moves or doesn't move. Mice, rats, dogs, insects (which have more protein per pound than a sirloin steak and far less fat and cholesterol), and even the earth itself. The show mensioned some tribes in Africa take clay and form sticks out of it that tribe members eat. It acts like a primative mineral supplement, providing them with minerals they don't normally have in their diet.

Just something to think about....

Xeennexx - [xeennexx@accesstoledo.com]
Saturday, July 6, 2002 10:37:15 PM


Just thought I would clear things up

Gargoyles on DVD: The Awakenings episodes (at least) will be on the DVD and it is scheduled to be released in 2003. The _exact_ time is not known at this time. It could be before Gathering 2003 or way after. But the date for release is the year 2003.

Gargoyle Pins> These are (and have been) available at your local disney store for 3 weeks now. :) I've told a couple of people If the pins are still there when I get back..I'd buy some for them (granted if they pay me back!)

_VERY_ interesting note..I don't know if this had anything to do with Abram Wintersmith on my staff...but the Gathering 2002 _WAS_ featured on "The Laughing Place" website at


Just thought people might want to know. ^_^

Saturday, July 6, 2002 09:08:35 PM

Sorry to be following myself up, but looks folks are off enjoying their Saturday.

Anyway, just thought I might share something of interest. I decided to search the Disney Store online just for kicks (http://www.disneystore.com) for GARGOYLES. The only thing that came up was one of the videotapes -- the one with "Deadly Force" and "Enter Macbeth" ("Force of Goliath," I believe it's called). Considering TOON DISNEY won't air "Deadly Force" I found that quite interesting.


P.S. My birthday (30th! Ow!) is actually Wednesday, not Friday, but I'm also going out to dinner with someone on Friday. Problem with not having a steady job, the days start to get confused.

Shan - [shan@dm.net]
Los Angeles, CA, USA
Saturday, July 6, 2002 09:03:14 PM

Gargoyles Pins>I apologize for having to ask this question, but most of the news on the pins seems to have gotten buried in the DVD information. Are they currently available at Disney Stores, or is this also an upcoming item like the DVD? My birthday's Friday and it'd make a good hint to some people if they are indeed available now... thanks in advance!
Shan - [shan@dm.net]
Los Angeles, CA, USA
Saturday, July 6, 2002 06:55:50 PM


Gorebash> Thanks for the change.

I've got a first draft of my Gathering gallery online. Still waiting for one more roll of film to be developed. I think I might add comments to the pics soon - if I find the time.

And I noticed: I never even scanned my pics from 2001 (LA). Shame on me. If I find 'em in the chaos I call home, I will scan and post 'em, even if I'm late by a year :)


*vanishes in a puff of smoke*

Guandalug la'Fay - [Guandalug@gmx.de]
Saturday, July 6, 2002 05:46:13 PM

Vegies> thats a good point, just cuz lettuce can't scream doesn't make it less alive than a cow, and just cuz it has no brain doesn't mean it doesn't feel pain.Gabe, how do you know a cow feels anything? how do you know a plant doesn't?

gotta a question for anyone willing to respond: gargoyles mate in the years '08, '28, '48 etc and eggs hatch in '18, '38, '58 etc, right? do i have this backwords or what? in short, Angela will concieve her first time in 2008, and Artus will be hatched on March 21st, 2018, right?
also, what times of the year do they concieve, and then later lay the eggs?

later guys

Saturday, July 6, 2002 05:37:42 PM

Anybody looking for the *NEW* Gargoyles pins. If you can't find your own at the local Disney Store (they're part of the 12 Months of Disney Collection) I have 2 spares. I'll sell them for $5.00 plus an SASE.

Drop me a line if you're interested.

Uh, that was me that didn't know that Oswald and Canmore was the same person, because I never associated a name of any kind with the actor. Silly me.

Guys, you have to eat something so plant or animal never take more than you need and whatever you take do so reverently.


kathy - [kapogge@excite.com]
Saturday, July 6, 2002 04:36:40 PM

Gabriel "Gayboyle": "They can't feel pain like an animal. If you cut an animals leg off, there's pain and it moos or whines. Plants, except for broccoli, have no nerve endings or anything that indicates touch sensors."
"Listen up brothers and sisters, come hear my desparate tale,
I speak of our friends of nature, trapped in the dirt like a jail,
Vegetables live in oppression, served on our tables each night,
This killing of veggies is madness, I say we take up the fight!
Salads are only for murderers!
Coleslaw's a faschist regime!
Don't think that they don't have feelings, just 'cause a raddish can't scream....."
-Arrogant Worms

Sorry, my friend. I couldn't resist ;)

Lurking "Let my Vegetables go!" Fish
Saturday, July 6, 2002 01:56:57 PM

Vegies> My point here gabe, is that you are making a judgement on the animal's right to live based on the fact that it exhibits more human traits than a vegetable. Plants may not feel pain, but they are alive, and just because they don't resemble us humans as much as animals do is no reason to decide that it's okay to eat plants but not animals.
The reason people don't eat dogs and cats and such is what mooncat said, but also the fact that Dogs, Cats, and Horses serve a purpose. They do work. They till the soil, herd the animals, guard the house, kill mice, etc. They have a purpose and killing them would get rid of their services and companionship. Pigs and chickens, however, are pretty much meant to be eaten.
I eat all types of meat, but I refrain from eating beef. Not because of any vegetarian tendency, and not even for religious purposes (I'm a Hindu). I don't eat beef because it's bad for the environment. Dairy cows can atleast yield as much food as the eat, but meat cows do not. They're a waste of food. Lamb would be a much better substitute.
And now this post has gone on way longer than I expected. Mabye I should write a book on the subject.

On an unrelated note: Is anyone else getting sick of them always showing women's tennis? I try to tune in to see Tim Henman playing because I have a bet running on that guy, but do they ever show men's tennis, nooo. It's always the women. Womens tennis is so boring, you always know that one of the Williams is going to win, why bother. The sheer evel of dominance those girls have over women's tennis is ridiculous. I want to see some competition for a change.

Saturday, July 6, 2002 01:46:52 PM

Oooo lookey at the new thing at the top.

Vegetarianism, Oh what fools these Earthlings be. Humans are omnivores as well as gargs, as for me. I eats what I likes to eat.

Jen---Oswald was Jason Canmore!?! I had no idea!! wow! Although... I suddenly feel so ... CHEATED. DOH!

Especialy since Oswald is no where near as buff as Jason.

Leo----And here I thought the Illuminati were responsible for the JFK assassination in the Garg universe. :)

Well in the show Oswald's last name is Harvey.

Aaron---but did you know rice's genome is like, twice as complex as that of us poor humans?

Time to attack rice with a spoon or fork, yum.

Spacebabie - [LadyAndromeda@smstars.zzn.com]
Orlando, Florida, U.S.A
Saturday, July 6, 2002 11:01:11 AM

Plants vs. animals> Not sure what this has to do with anything, but did you know rice's genome is like, twice as complex as that of us poor humans?

Real post, with Gathering Diary.... sometime.

Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
Saturday, July 6, 2002 01:18:23 AM

Hey Denis,

Try MooncatX@cox.net -- my ISP has switched over and all my old addys closed out end of June.

Vegetarianism... One reason people don't eat cats if they have a nice fat cow or chicken to eat, is that cats are not good meat animals. They are predators, and difficult to keep in large quantities for the purpose of food. Cows and chickens and other domestic meat animals are preferred because of centuries, if not millenia, of animal husbandry has taken the animals best able to be farmed for food and made of them the modern herds and flocks we eat of today.

People who have to eat non-domestic food animals, usually do so because other meat is scare.

Humans are biologically inclined to be meat eaters. We need the protein, and our bodies are equipped to eat meat as well as other foodstuffs. Eating animals is a natural thing.

Nothing against people who actively go out of their way to be vegetarians, but I'm a meat eater and happy with it.

Animals are part of a cycle where extreme few if any die of old age in the wild. Only kept animals, like pets or favored stock are afforded that luxury. Animals not kept by humans will be killed off by other animal predators if they do not die of disease or accident. Life for an animal not kept as a pet or live stock is very short, and will end in pain, unless somehow the animal is killed so suddenly pain doesn't get a chance to register.

I don't believe refusing to eat an animal saves it any pain when it's life ends. Better to eat an animal and make it's death meaningful than to waste the meat.

I like broccoli too *^_^*


Saturday, July 6, 2002 12:45:46 AM

Grrrr. "Plants of no brains" should read "ploants have no brains." sorry about that. :)
Gabriel "gaygoyle"
Saturday, July 6, 2002 12:13:09 AM

Vegetarianism> You guys get it all wrong. I don't eat animals becuase of their level on consciousness. Plants of no brains; they have processes. They can't feel pain like an animal. If you cut an animals leg off, there's pain and it moos or whines. Plants, except for broccoli, have no nerve endings or anything that indicates touch sensors. Animals have psychological damge: if you pick up a rescue dog, it usually is paranoid because of the damage that has been done to it. Plants don't get paranoid.

I don't see why any non-third world don't eat dogs or cats or horses or any other taboo animal. Why is that? What seperates a dog from a cow? Dogs can be reaised equally on the farm as a cow can. Yet they are not sent for slaughter to be consumed. (Please take note that I didn't mention third-world countries, they are oftern forced to eat cats and dogs, etc.). I just don't draw a line. I wouldn't eat a cat because reason x, therefore I wouldn't eat a cow for the same reason.
Gabriel "gaygoyle"
Friday, July 5, 2002 11:17:26 PM

hello, guys!

Mooncat, I tried to mail you what you asked me, at the gathering, but I got an undeliverable mail error. do you have an alternate email? it seems your site is down too.

About Chewbacca: Jen, I'm sorry to announce you that this way, but Chewie is dead. Has been since 1999. He died in the novel "Vector Prime". He barely saved Annakin Solo, but couldn't get in the Falcon in time, and he died on the planet Sernpidal, after the new archennemy, the Yuuzhan Vong made its moon fall onto the planet.

Watched a few Garg episodes today. that's always fun!
Happy 4th of July, everybody!

*off to bed*

Denis - [malkavien@lft.be]
Friday, July 5, 2002 08:40:11 PM

Blaise> I also live just north of USC... how interesting. If you want to chat on that on any more depth, or commiserate on the job economy in general in LA, write. Probably not wise to narrow our locations any more publicly.
Shan - [shan@dm.net]
Los Angeles, CA, USA
Friday, July 5, 2002 07:33:28 PM

Wow, this room hasn't been so active in quite awhile. The Gathering seemed like a lot of fun for you all, wish I was there.
Vegetarians> I with Matt on this one. It seems to me like Gabe is making a decision on the animal's fitness to live based on anthropomorphic quality. "It resembles humans more, so it is beter" type of mentality. Just because a plant can't feel (as far as we know) doesn't give us any more right to kill it that it would an animal.

The fourth was fun. It was my parents aniversarry so I contributed some of my graduation money towards going Emeril restaurant in Orlando, which felt like sort of a waste. But my parents enjoyed it and it was their aniversary too. The gumbo was good, but the fish I had was smothered in bell peppers (which I hate)If that fish was infused with citrus flavor instead of bell-peppers, it would have been awesome. And even worse my banana creme pie (which Emeril is supposedly famous for) tasted like the bananas were cut several hours ago and lost their freshness. It was still good, but I think would have enjoyed an ice-cream or cake better. Mabye some other time I can refrain from ordering the worst food on the menu when I go to a really nice restaurant.

Gore> The search engine looks cool, I haven't used it yet though, so I can't vouch for its effectiveness.

In unrelated news, My search for a summer job continues to turn up dry. Apparently everybody wan't somebody who won't be leaving after the summer. Well pardon me for giving a damn about my future and wanting to go to college. That and the fact that I am only 17 (preventing me from working full time despite the fact that I don't have a problem with it) has put my job hunt dead in the water. And to top it all off AOL's AQ (annoyance quotient) is getting worse and worse. I've been cut off three times typing this post up alone. It's a good thing I don't trust the AOL integrated browser. Jim R. that mac is looking better evryday if it means this sort of $#!% wont happen.

Friday, July 5, 2002 07:01:00 PM

<"Oswald was Jason Canmore!?!> And here I thought the Illuminati were responsible for the JFK assasination in the Garg universe. :)
Friday, July 5, 2002 06:25:50 PM

Hope everyone who celebrated it had a good 4th. We did. Lots of fireworks and creative destruction.

This news about the DVD set is just wonderful! I'm glad we finally bought a DVD (for Harry Potter and because LOTR is coming out). At last, I have something to tell the many folks who e-mail me asking if I know where they can get all the episodes!

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Friday, July 5, 2002 04:58:08 PM

I was Surffing the web when i stumbled accros this web page. I somehow was thinking Of Gargoyles and how i had recored 30 espisodes before it went of the air. I started looking for maybe a dvd with all of them. and here i am! Long live Gargoyles! thanks and keep the fire alive!
Mark - [Runner913@yahoo.com]
Kansas City, KS, USA
Friday, July 5, 2002 03:19:47 PM

The 4th rocked *^_^* -- I crashed a private party to watch a very good fireworks display. I live in an area with LOTS of aeronautic companies, and they always have a nice to do for company employees. The displays are in the hundreds of thousands mark, for the fireworks. I usually just grab my lawn chair and toddle after the huge line of peeps going into the private lakes (ponds compared to real lakes) and parks area that is just down the road from me.

I'm a bad kitty. But I like the pretty sparkles in the sky, and the big bang noises they make if you are directly under the display. eeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!! *squeals of joy!!!*

Next time I'm taking bug spray though. Darn little critters think I'm tasty.

Crzy D. -- yah, you is tall! You wear tall shoes too. *envy* I'm 5'3", with illusions of being 5'4", until I actually met someone 5'4" and found out they were taller than me >^,,^< *blink*

Greg W. -- Fully Functional... hmmm... well, since his wife has nixed the orgy option, it's going to be difficult to tell. Guess we'll have to take his word for it. He is a cutie *^_^*, so I guess we can't blame his wife for laying down the law.

ack... must get to all the chores that built up the week I was gone.


Friday, July 5, 2002 03:08:54 PM

I just barely survived my 4th of July party. (sorry to those who had thought this would be the end of me... I keep hanging in there dispite the crappy week). I was dead on my feet at 2am, though... and not really much on the 'alive' side now. -.-

Bud-Clare: "Cuts down on the inbreeding? :P" AMEN!! Stop those congenital birth defects BEFORE they start!! ;)

Gorebash - Cool search feature!

Leo - nice shot of my tonsils! But that happens a lot when you talk as much as I do.

Mooncat - "Jen is hot looking as a guy or a girl and is very tall." O.O No wonder Patrick is always crossdressing.... it gets you lots of attention!! I didn't think you were that much shorter than I was. I forget my size at times, there must have been 3 years straight I thought Greg was the same height as me. ::5'10" and oblivious:: I know how Chewbacca must feel.

"Greg W. who is very personable and fan accessible." But is he 'fully functional'?? ;)

Spacebabie - Oswald was Jason Canmore!?! I had no idea!! wow! Although... I suddenly feel so ... CHEATED. DOH!

OH well, off to clean up the rest of the fireworks and such... No rest for the wicked, after all.

Jennifer "CrzyDemona" Anderson
Friday, July 5, 2002 01:38:23 PM

Sloth & Blaise> Thank you. :)

Blaise> Congratulations on finding a job, even temporarily.

Jen> (From Gathering report:) "FRESH MEAT!! This fandom sorely needs it for a variety of reasons."
Cuts down on the inbreeding? :P

Bud-Clare - [budclare@yahoo.com]
Friday, July 5, 2002 01:03:29 PM

Guandalug la'Fay: you're right, the GFW Fanfic Archive isn't really searchable via google. so i'll nix that option from the list.
Gorebash - [gorebash@s8.org]
Friday, July 5, 2002 12:36:24 PM

Oops! I knew I forgotsomething.

I found a transcript of an interview with Greg Weisman and Keith David talking about "Gargoyles" at purpleplanetmedia.com. It's fun to read.

<-InterviewFriday, July 5, 2002 09:41:49 AM

Have the first 10 Gathering Costume pics up on my site. (I'm slowly uploaing 1 at a time to aol's cheesy domain, so there may be a few mory by the time some of you read this) The page is still a WIP but now you can finally see some pics. There were some very well made costumes.
Leo - [<- click to see pics!]
Yorktown, VA
Friday, July 5, 2002 09:26:57 AM

Oh My God this is so so so so cool! A dvd with gargoyles! When dose it come out ? About time those disney folt took us seriousoly! So any news on if it may come back with new epsodes ,or is that even in the picture? The Barracuda Rockes!
Sata - [waverly_girl@hotmail.com]
Friday, July 5, 2002 03:46:06 AM

*peeks in*
Just a short information about that search-engine above:
I like it. Quite a lot. But to search in the fanfic-archive using google most certainly won't have quite the result you're aiming for.

The reason: The main part of the fanfic-archive - the stories - is not reachable for any search-engine, and deliberately so. Some search-engines still have old links into the (no longer existing) directory-structure of the old fanfic-archive (and I still get tons of hits on those even though they are deleted - one could think that a search-bot would recognize a '404 File not Found' message and remove the content....). So to search for a specific story one should better use the search-engine included in the fanfic-archive (and yes, I will add a possibility to search in story-descriptions as well).

On another note: I will get back my Gathering-Pictures at Saturday, so expect my gallery somewhen next week.

Guandalug la'Fay - [Guandalug@gargoyles-fans.org]
Friday, July 5, 2002 03:09:57 AM

as you may notice there is a new addition to this CR page. there is a gargoyles website search feature. this allows you to search various gargoyles web sites individually by selecting one from the drop-down list. when you click on the "search" button you are redirected to google which then performs your search. this is a very simple addition but i thought it was extremely useful.

now if anyone can think of a popular site that should be listed, please e-mail me and i will include it in the list. and if there is a site in the list that a web site operator does NOT want listed, by all means let me know and i'll pull your web site from the list.

i think this is especially useful for navigating the avalon archvies which is a great website filled with a ton of information and multimedia. hopefully it'll help people find what they're looking for a bit faster.

let me know if there are any issues with the new search feature!

Gorebash - [gorebash@s8.org]
Friday, July 5, 2002 01:59:43 AM

Patrick but the unhappy Puck is so adorable.
Sorry about the mix up.I thought you were the one who didn't know, remember I did have a headache at the time.

Well gotta make up for that blunder.

Marmalade Power Make-up!
::Changes into Lady Marmalade and kisses Patrick::

Spacebabie - [LadyAndromeda@smstars.zzn.com]
Thursday, July 4, 2002 09:20:37 PM

Downtime is a good thing. *^_^*

Still woozy tired, and beaming with afterglow from a great week. I am happy to be back home with my cable internet connection though. Between the odd signal breakups and the slower download speeds, doing the net at my friend's house was as much agony as relief (to just be on the net again).

Convention notes.

First impressions.

Kathy talks lots and lots (but it's mostly interesting stuff so that's okay) *^_~* Patrick doesn't talk at all.

Jen is hot looking as a guy or a girl and is very tall.

Mara is the sweet _and_ spicy. *^_^*

Aaron dotes on Mara, woo hoo!!

Spacebabie is built. *blinks*

Greg B. likes big water guns. And wears long leather coats.

Siryn is fun to watch and willing to do the extra bit to make the con guests happy (we love you Siryn!!!).

Dreamie is sexy as a kitty and I plan to steal her ears someday...

ummm... I think those were my immediate impressions.

That and the hotels in Williamsburg suck for not having ATM machines. I had to walk maybe a mile in sunlight (shudder!!!) to get money before the
auction started.

All in all, I kind of floated through the convention, cause I didn't sleep much. I sort of blinked yawnsomely at everyone and hoped I got my makeup right
on Saturday for the costume contest. Not having used make up in a while, I forgot I would need special cleansers to get it off again, sigh... Lucky my
friend Jennifer B who I spent the rest of my VA stay with had make up removing stuff. I was pulling off makeup from Sat as late as Tuesday.


Fri and Sat I felt slightly overdressed, because everyone was in their con shirts and jeans, until the costume contest at least. Afterward there was
dancing and conversation.

Most Fave bits -

David Wong. Very good con stories and excellent artist.

Greg W. who is very personable and fan accessible.

Mara, because she was very comfortable to be with. I wanted to curl up and take a nap on her lap. She is very purr worthy.

It was a very nice convention. Got some nice art bits, the script, and got to play dress up, and listen to Greg W and G talk.

That's the short version. Detailed stuff later.



Thursday, July 4, 2002 04:00:15 PM

Eep... apologies for double post... I clicked the wrong pic. Meant to use the happy Puck like I normally do.

Also forgot to say...

Happy Independence Day, America!

Patrick Toman
Thursday, July 4, 2002 03:45:22 PM

Spacebabie > "Went to breakfast with Mooncat. we were joined by Patrick and Kathy. Get this Patrick was not aware that Deidric Bader was the voice of Jason Canmore." -- Actually, I DID know that. So did kathy. But I think it was her who didn't realize that Deidric Bader was also Oswald from the Drew Carey Show. 'Cause unless you listen really close, it's hard to recognize the voices being the same. At least that's how I remember it... keeping in mind that I had very little sleep that weekend. But I do know that I knew who the voice of Jason Canmore was before G2002.
Patrick Toman
Thursday, July 4, 2002 03:43:23 PM

The Gathering = time of my summer! And I didn't even get to enjoy the full thing. Thanks to the hell that is known as the D.C. belt, I didn't get to Williamsburg until well past the opening ceremonies and Greg's videos. That was disappointing, but as I'm going to be there in NY next year, not too disappointing.

I must say the most mind-blowing of all things, for me, was the Art Room. My God. It was glorious. I couldn't believe my eyes, and in fact, I had to take a good twelve walk-thru's before I was able to let it all sink into my visual cortex. My favorite were Kathyrine Higgins' (sp?) Zodiac paintings. I wish I could have taken snapshots of everything in the room.

Three Gargoyles T-shirts are now mine, and I plan on strutting them around in every public place I go. My favorite is the light gray shirt with the logo on it that we got for free. It's perfect.

Oh, and I personally think that whatever Greg has in mind for what Titania whispered to Fox, it will still blow us away with coolness if he were to tell us. :)

Thursday, July 4, 2002 02:33:08 PM

Sorry about the link...here you go. Sorry about the double post as well.
ColdFire - [<----Proper link : )]
Thursday, July 4, 2002 01:05:00 PM

Happy Independence Day, Americans! I hope you all have a good one!

Check out my site! I added a new Flash movie. It's part of a series I've been doing based on Aladdin so be sure to view the whole thing. Also, make sure you tell me what you think, okay? Okay.

ColdFire - [<-----Series/Flash Movie]
Vancouver, BC, Canada
Thursday, July 4, 2002 01:02:03 PM

Happy Independence Day!

Blaise> The other episode was "And Justice For All." I believe the funniest part was the stupid pun where Lex said "I've got news for you" after he was thrown into stacks of newspapers. I'd never noticed that before. Also "Judge Judy" was funny to gawk at. Got to love sarcasm...

Jim R.
Thursday, July 4, 2002 11:37:13 AM

****Blaise fades into view again.****
Sorry for the 2x post, but just noticed something--
[with a wave of Blaise's hand the formerly "red and white stars" on his robe now become BLUE and white stars]
A small mix-up. He he.
****Blaise vanishes in a puff of red, white, and blue smoke.****

Thursday, July 4, 2002 11:12:00 AM

Matt the Omnivore: Hey, I was just making a funny! Quit taking me so seriously, will ya? ;)
Lurking Fish
Thursday, July 4, 2002 11:10:23 AM

****Coren the gold dragon sneaks in (which is hard to do when you're about the size of a small horse) and heads over to the prone form of Blaise. He takes careful aim, lest Lord Sloth and Devil Doll should get burned, and hisses out a small jet of flame onto Blaise's posterior. In an instant, Blaise shoots out along the floor and up through the skylight like a rocket. The sky explodes with fireworks, and after an impressive light show, Blaise plumets back into the Comment Room, landing on his feet. His red robe is now covered with red and white stars.**** Must be July 4th. :)
A happy birthday to the U.S.!

SHAN> Well, geographically I'm just north of USC, but the job is in Woodland Hills.
In case you're wondering the group I used is Blaine and Associates.

KATHY> "Greg, 'Did I mention I like to eat?' Weisman, had this absurd banana split in a waffle cone."
Hmmm, sounds about like something I would do (did I mention *I* like to eat?).
I also would have tried to go on every coaster and similar ride in the place (I'm something of a coaster junkie--went on every coaster (that was open) when I went to Magic Mountain in May). The scarier looking it is, the better, IMHO.

THE RADIO PLAY> [sighs in frustration] I knew it! I knew the Team Atlantis episode would be the Radio Play some year. I really wanted to try out for that one (why, oh why couldn't I have just won a few thousand dollars from a scrath 'n' win card?).
And to pour lemon juice on that paper cut, you guys got to hear the original cast's recording of that episode. I would have plotzed just to hear Marina Sirtis as Demona in new material.

MSG3K> Okay, so one ep was SEEING ISN'T BELIEVEING. What was the other one?
(As I sit here thinking about them, I start coming up with my own little quips to throw at the screen).

Well, I'm off to enjoy the rest of the holiday (now that I really can)! I'll catch you guys later! Until then, farewell. ****Blaise hops onto Coren's back, and rides him out of the Room.****

Thursday, July 4, 2002 11:07:53 AM

Gathering Journal III
Woke up early again after barely any sleep. Took a shower and the bathroom floor flooded. My night gown got soaked.
My head was starting to hurt.
Went to breakfast with Mooncat. we were joined by Patrick and Kathy. Get this Patrick was not aware that Deidric Bader was the voice of Jason Canmore.
After Breakfast I bummed some tylenol off of someone. I'm sorry I forgot your name but thank you whoever you are.

We lounged on the sofas afterwords and I took a lil snooze.
Went on mad raid at the dealers buying a bunch of stuff: A picture for mom, cards, a Lex plushie and a dragon for me.
Chilled with Demona May and explained I wanted to buy one of her prints. We talked about the situation with my early flight with the con chair. She gave me a free clender.

Before number one I was able to purchase Demona May's print.
I was torn between the countdown and the Radio play, but when will I ever get a chance to see Gargoyles again? I don't have Toon Disney, and when the heck will I ever get to see Deadly Force? I had to absorb it all.

Changed a little before the banquet, had some tome to kill so I went to the snack room. Greg G was there talking about th Lilo and Stitch series that was working on.

Banquest started and I was seated with a group of Con Virgins.
The Food sucked, compared to the banquet in Orlando: Burgers, mac and cheese paste, and a hot dog. The only thing to drink there was water. Emily fetched a plate of lemon slice so we could make Lemonaid. Stood near Demona May to take pics of the Gregs.

As I changed into my costume I had trouble with the hosiery. The Pantys and belt was no problem. Mooncat laced up the corset in the back. I slipped into my shoes, did my hair,make up, shimmer and beads. Grabbed my puse and camera and shirt.
Luckily I did not come in contanct with any norms on my way to the elevator. When the doors opened everyone's jaws dropped and the guys drooled. I was a big hit. Everyone was taking pics, but really impressed me was everyone elses costume. Damn they were great. Aaron and Mara looked beautiful, and the crossdressers were a hoot. Lynati's was the best. Everyone was impressed with her feet. I had to touch the wings of those who had wings.

Well we wr introduced and I shook my booty when I strut my stuff. After I went on I took some more pics. Then I had to get a pic of myself between the two Gregs, but the camera ATE it!!!! Well I gave beads away to the guys, only making a few flash their pecs.
Then I pulled on my shirt and sat amongst the others so we had our picture taken for Toon Disney and Disney Japan.

Followed Aaron and Greg B To Aaron and Maras room, we talked and I got registered for next year. Then I changed clothes. So I can breath and dance. Decided to finally draw something, but ended up dancing and Joining Greg W's discussion group until I was tired.

Bid fare well to Crzy before I went to pack and go to bed.

Next day Leo drove me to the Airport and I flew back home.

Spacebabie - [LadyAndromeda@smstars.zzn.com]
Orlando, Fl, U.S.A
Thursday, July 4, 2002 10:52:56 AM

Hello, guys!

I made it back in one piece, and heck of jetlag ache!
About what Titania said in Fox's ear, we finally got the answer, at the banquet. It was Greg G. who finally gave us the answer:


sorry, I just couldn't help myself!
Denis - [malkavien@lft.be]
Thursday, July 4, 2002 09:49:28 AM

Gabriel> 1. lions are not entirely subject to natural instinct. and humans are not totally independent from instinct. most animals are a mix of instinct and thought.

2. to me there is only a difference between a plant and an animal in a pyhsical and biological sense. to me a human, a lobster, a wolf spider, an oak tree, a mushroom, and a bacteria all have an equal right to life, and we should not abuse our intelligence by taking away or judging other living things rights to live. killing a cow or a tomatoe to eat is natural and fine, killing without reason is wrong.

3. i respect that you don't eat animals for religious reasons, and thats your choice, and that doesn't bother me. however, you have yet to prove to me that plants are not aware of their surroundings and their existence anymore than a cow is.

Lurking Fish> whether its a steak or a salad, both are no longer living. a steak isn't gonna start mooing (hopefully) but a salad isn't gonna start growing roots on your plate either. there is very few times that humans eat living food, mainly the bacteria in our dead animal and plant food.

the thing is, its fine for us humans to be picky about what we eat. but we evolved to be omnivores (able to eat plants, insects, fungi and animals) and there is NOTHING IMHO wrong with eating plants, insects, fungi or animals, is i wrong for a chimp to monmeys, its it wrong for a cow to graze grass, is it wrong for clam to filter plankton out of sea water? no, thats just what they do. and eating plants, insects, fungi, and animals is what can do, even if we choose not to. i personally don't eat insects or fungi, but i certaintly don't think its wrong (religiously or otherwise).

alright, i'm rambling, i'll go now!

matt, the omnivore
Thursday, July 4, 2002 09:49:05 AM

Happy Independence Day, everybody!

People are still asking Greg about what Titania whispered in Fox's ear? Boy, it's the question that just won't die. (I wonder if Greg is beginning to regret including that bit in "The Gathering Part Two".... :) ).

Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Thursday, July 4, 2002 06:50:34 AM

Matt: Au contraire, my friend. Some of us are vegetarians not because we believe animals have more rights to life.. but because we think eating dead things is kinda gross.. and we'd much rather eat food that was STILL ALIIIIIVE!!! STILL ALIIIIIIIVE I TELL YOU!!!! MWA HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!

So.. that's MY excuse..


Lurking Fish
Thursday, July 4, 2002 02:04:55 AM

The just-ended Gathering 2002 was the first one that Aimee and I DIDN'T attend; we had been 5 for 5 until then. :( Just not enough money and free time.

But it did me good to read of the good times you all had. Perhaps we will be able to make it "6 for 7" next year in NYC!

Pogo - [pogo101@yahoo.com]
Greater LA, CA, USA
Thursday, July 4, 2002 01:40:53 AM

Hey, folks.

Thanks for posting all the Gathering stuff! I was away on a family vacation and unable to go this year, so it was a bittersweet treat to read about all that I missed.

Oddly, while the rest of you were at the con, I was at Universal Studios looking across the street at the hotel from last year ... ; )

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Thursday, July 4, 2002 01:27:26 AM

Matt> That's OK. They took alot longer to make my breakfast than I thought, and I had a feeling you'd both be gone by the time I got done. I saw you left the room key on my suitcase. I knew you both had a cab to catch. Besides, I wasn't around too much longer after coming back to the room anyways. I was on the road by 10:45.

Greg B.> Yeah, I'd seen you also but didn't get a chance to say hi. At the cosplay I turned around and nodded to you, but I think you were talking to someone sitting beside you.

Lord Sloth> Yeah, we wished you could have come. You would've enjoyed it.

Gathering 2002--Saturday:

Got up at the crack of dawn! Yeah right...more like slept in as long as possible before I'd feel I'd start to miss some Gathering activities. So it was more like 9:00. Matt went to breakfast. Gabe went to breakfast and tried out for the radio play I guess. I took a shower, and then went to breakfast afterword and had pancakes.

I wanted to audition for the Radio Play, but being a newbie I wasn't sure what to expect, and I though I think I'd been good at reading from a script so long as I didn't have to look at the audience every 10 seconds. I decided to skip auditioning for maybe another time.

Instead, I went and voted on artwork. I took my time, because alot of it was VERY good, plus the more I saw, the more I changed my mind. Fanfic:Photo was the only catagory I didn't submit a vote for because I don't believe there were any photos catagorized as "fanfic." Anyways, also went to the dealer's room and bought two pieces of artwork. One, a Babylon 5, for one friend, the other a Star Trek Enterprise, for another.

At 11am, Matt and I went to the How to Draw sessions where this woman (didn't catch her name, anyone help?) did some awesomely detailed drawings of figure models and gargoyles. We stayed for the whole two hours followed by Greg Guler's Character design at 1pm. Greg G. was great! I love to listen to professionals talk, their stories of how they got there, and what they've accomplished and what they do always mesmorize me. Now I can honestly say I've been in the same room as a talented Disney artist. Heh.

Never had lunch. Right after Greg G. was the radio play. Gabe managed to snag a role as "Milo" (Michael J. Fox) from the "Atlantis" movie. The whole story of making a Team Atlantis episode fit into a part-Gargoyles related episode was neat. After all, it was written by Greg W. Finishing the radio play version from the volunteers who auditioned for it, Greg W. surprised everyone with the actual prerecorded tape of the real voice actors who were cast to do the actual episode had Team Atlantis aired. Among them was Marina Sirtis and a guy that sounded really close to Michael J. Fox. Hearing him say "Doc!" aloud brought back memories of Back to the Future.

Close to 4pm, I think, we all wondered into the Video Room for the remainder of the top ten Gargs episodes. I know the top four were Hunter's Moon pt. 1,2, & 3, and number one was "The Mirror".

Matt said he was going swimming, so I decided to hang around in the Video Room for another half hour or so watching some sweet anime music videos. My favorite: Vampire Hunter D.

At 6pm... to the Q&A Banquet. The food wasn't bad and Greg and Greg answered a bunch of fan questions. I knew someone would pop the question about what "Titania said to Fox" and we all know what Greg said...

Then came a long hour break which Matt, Gabe, and I went back to the room and talked for a while, or rather Gabe and Matt talked...no, wait, more like debated about the whole "what's the point about being a vegetarian" issue while I laid there listening and laughing. They continued at it for the whole hour never really sticking to the original subject anyways... <:)

At 8:30 came the costume ball. Lots of cool costumes. I took lots of pictures (which I still have yet to put up, soon I promise!). Unfortunately for me, I got stuck sitting too close to the exit path where most of the "cosplayers" went, heading to the back of the room after having their pictures taken. I was afraid my knee was going to trip someone since the exit path was pretty narrow and I'm very tall. One person came close, but otherwise all was fine, just a bit cramped. Still, it was very cool and I didn't mind at all. Posed with EVERYONE for the large group photo to be sent to Toon Disney, Disney Japan, Disney DVD and I think (or hope) Michael Eisner...

I think Matt went swimming again until the pool closed. And later I stayed up until about 12:30am watching cartoons before I eventually dozed off not knowing it. Gabe woke both of us at 4:00 in the morning. He'd been downstairs all the while. Late night party animal. :)

Sunday: I didn't stick around long on Sunday. For one thing I didn't think there *was* a Sunday. Before I'd reserved the room, I'd thought Sunday was pack-up-and-go-home day, but it turns out there were a few things going on still, none I was much interested in except for maybe the auction and closing. However, I only had the room until 12pm with a 5-hour journey back home still ahead of me and work on Monday. Also, Matt and Gabe had to catch their cab back to the airport. I missed them on their way out because I waited too long for my breakfast that morning (I'm a slow-eater)...waiter was also a little slow. (sigh) Oh well. I packed my things and checked out shortly after. Arrived back home in PA 5 hours later.

And so ends my trip to the Gathering 2002. I had a blast! And I will gladly return again some year, though maybe not next year. Hopefully when I do, I'll be more familiar with what to do then. :)

Well, time for sleep...I'll get those pics up tomorrow with nothing to do on July 4th but celebrate and see fireworks. Also bought Warcraft III today. Awesome game.

All for now.

Jim R. - [email-jim@lycos.com]
Thursday, July 4, 2002 01:09:53 AM


By Sunday, I was dead tired, I only had maybe two hours of sleep the whole con.

Same routine as yesterday. We all agreed to meet up at 9 AM to sell more Pre-Reg, but as someone who hates mornings also, I decided to give them all another. So I went to the hotel restaurant, and ended up joining Jen, Kathy and Patrick for breakfast. When that was over, I bumped into Lynati again. Aaron gave us all the Pre-Reg stuff and 'Nati and I went down to see some more, before Aaron and Mara finally showed up.

After a while, we packed things up and went to the auction. It was a lot of fun this year, and I walked away with a poster of Demona signed by Marina Sirtis. The real novelty of this poster was that when Marina saw it at a con, she liked it so much, she tried to steal it. No, I am not making this up. The poster was drawn by Jen, so I heard Marina later got in touch with her for her own copy. So now I have it, and the Marina story makes a good conversation piece about it... hey, after paying $200, I feel that the story is mine also. I saw Jen later, and she was surprised to see that I spent $200 on her work, with or without Marina's autograph on it. As usual, it was fun to watch Aaron go at it on several pieces. He truly is the God of the Bid. And damn, how much money did he spend.

We sold more pre-registration and attended closing ceremonies, before heading back out and selling more pre-registration. Greg Weisman helped by telling people to give us their money ;)

So anyway, with the con over, the G2002 staff passed down the leftovers from the con to be sold next year. This was a lot of merchandise, but we managed to get it back to new York. I wasn't looking forward to taking the train back, so Aaron and Mara gave me a lift back to New York, but again I'm getting ahead of myself.

Well, the con was over, we all hung out, and did stuff, though the rest of the day is a blurr for me. A bunch of us went for sushi later, which was fun, got to know people I hadn't talked to much before.

Finally we came back and headed to the Con Suite where we listened to Hudson tell more stories, and others shared past embarassing stories. Damn, my life was so boring... well, there was the time some friends and I stole a fire extinguisher from the school, and accidently set it off outside, creating a huge dust cloud covering the building. But that was nothing compared to the stories shared here.

After a while, we moved outside and continued talking for several hours. Finally it was 3 AM, and it was time for us to all get eady, we packed the car up and within the hour we said good bye to everyone around, hugged Lynati, and were off.

The ride home was a bit of an adventure, but after eight hours, we finally reached New York. Hung out at Mara's place for a while, before getting in a cab to head to Grand Central Station, and finally getting home.

To all the people I got to see that weekend: Revel, Lynati, Spacebabie, Emambu, Jen, Kathy, Patrick, Greg W, Greg G, JEB, A Fan, Zehra, Hudson, Winterwolf, Dreamie and damn, there are a lot of people to name. You made the weekend great. And a special thanks to Siryn and the rest of her staff, for the kick ass weekend. And of course to Aaron and Mara, for putting up with me as much as they did that weekend. See you all next year, some probably sooner. You're all the reasons I'm in this fandom.

And now to get ready for Gathering 2003.

Greg Bishansky
Wednesday, July 3, 2002 10:56:17 PM

Matt> nononono, that's not what I said about lions. I said lions don't have the same level of consciousness as we do, adn they are totally subject to their natural instinct.

And I differintiated the life of a plant and the life of an animal. Mainly, that animals are aware of existing; wehereas plants aren't. their only function is growth and photosynthesis. Animals can percieve, move, react, and think primitvaly. However, they cannot think on the same plane as humans do: they are not aware of being aware of their existence. This is what gives birth to ontology (the study of what it meaning of to-be is).

I don't eat animals one for religious reasons, and two because they are too aware of their surroundings and of their existence.
Gabriel "gaygoyle"
Wednesday, July 3, 2002 10:32:08 PM

Greg posted his "Thursday" Gathering ramble in Ask Greg.

Just bought one of those Gargoyles pins at the local Disney Store. It's got the logo with Goliath and the moon, with a cool metallic reflective surface to it. I had to get myself some kind of consolation prize for not getting to go to the con. ;)

Wednesday, July 3, 2002 09:38:11 PM

I just ufcked up and dropped this week's comments on top of last week's so all of last week's comments are nixed.

On the bright side I did it while working out a new script that'll backup CR's from this week forward so down the line there will be an archive to view past CRs.


Wednesday, July 3, 2002 08:34:51 PM

Vegetarianism> ok, to get the facts straight, my whole argument was to Gabriel that being a vegetarian is great and cool and whatever, but if you are a vegetarian because you don't want to eat living things then you shouldn't be eating plants either cuz they are living also. i pointed out that there is nothing wrong with eating meat (and of course, theres nothing wrong with choosing not to eat meat). the thing that really got me was when i said to Gabe "are you going to tell lions not to eat meat?" and he said something to the effect of (and correct me Gabe and Jim if i'm wrong) "if lions had our level of intelligence, they shouldn't eat meat" which, no offense, i found absurd. to sum up my beliefs on the whole thing, in short, theres not a difference to me between eating plants and eating meat, both are natural and healthy. choosing to eat just plants is fine, but IMHO no one should eat plants just cuz they think animals have more rights to live.

and yes, the rumors are true, i spent 19 hours waiting for my plane at Newport News, but i actually enjoyed it. gave me lots of time to think and observe people.

Jim, sorry i didn't really get a chance to say bye. you were gone when Gabe and i had to go!

will the DCV be starting next week?

hey,anyone with "The Last" script, mind telling us the spelling of what the Atlanteans called Gargoyles? and any other info about Gargoyles and the Praying gargoyle that is in the script would be cool too, if you canthink of anything. i know i was at the Radio Play, but i can't remember EVERYTHING, and i'm sure the people who wern't there would like to hear!


Wednesday, July 3, 2002 07:30:31 PM


I woke up, showered and went downstairs. And already I was bombarded with requests for Pre-Reg. I did not have the forms with me at the time, Aaron and Mara did and they were still asleep. Finally I bumped into 'Nati and soon we got Aaron and Mara up. Now Sara really wanted us to set up our table for Pre-Reg ASAP, but we all decided to head out and get breakfast first. You know, priotities ;)

So we got back and set up at the Art tables in the Dealer's Room, and were very well received. Lots of people buying Pre-Reg, giving suggestions and ideas for G2003, offering to help. After a while, it was time for the Radio Play, so we packed up and went to that. It was the episode of "Team Atlantis" titles the last. Guest starring Fiona Canmore and Demona... though she was not called by name in it. Fun script, and the cast did a good job reading it, but the real treat was hearing the actual voice tape, with Marina Sirtis as Demona and Sheena Easton as Fiona Canmore. I was told it would go up for auction, and I had every intention of getting it. I didn't, but I'm getting ahead of myself.

With the Radio lay over, we went back to the Dealer's Room and sold more Pre-Reg, and we kept this up until the Banquet, which consisted of hamburgers and Hot Dogs. Not the best meal, but at least we didn't have to pay extra for them. I listened in on Greg's Q&A before heading off to get ready to watch the Masquerade.

The Masquerade was good this year, Lynati won for best costume and Aaron and Mara won for best Cosplay, I of course predicted this would happen before hand. Have I got a kick ass Con-Staff or what?

The other costumes and skits were great. Spacebabie looked really, really, hot in her costume. Heh, she's come over to the dark side, and she's in good company. After a while, Aaron and I took her up to Aaron's room to sell her Pre-Reg since she had to leave early the next day, and we chatted for a bit before heading back down.

The rest seems like a blurr for me, but eventually with Hudson, we set up the big gun fight with all the Nerf weapons. Now that was a lot of fun, yeah I got killed by Aaron, but I almost finished him off. This event will become official at the next con, it will be on the schedual.

Around 2 AM, we were kicked out and we headed off to bed, we had more Pre-Reg to sell the next morning, afterall.

Greg Bishansky
Wednesday, July 3, 2002 04:27:24 PM

Okay, I'm still not rested up enough, but I'm going to type this up now before it becomes one great big blur for me.

First of all, I was dead tired through the majority of this con, and when I'm dead tired, I'm either behaving like a complete moron, or a complete asshole. So apologies to anyone if I came off as either.

Friday, the journey begins

This first started with me grabbing the midnight train here and taking it down to Grand Central Station, it was about an hour's train ride, but that's okay. Even though it was hard to carry a heavy duffle bag and a back-pack. But I arrived at Grand Central Station, and grabbed a cab to Penn Station to grab the 2:15 AM train. That was not so fun, but when I arrived I took a moment to look across the street at the Hotel Pennsylvania (which is where we will be hosting the Gathering 2003). After about an hour, they finally boarded my train.

The train ride down to Williamsburg was, well I'll be nice and say it was terrible. People were talking so loud that i could not get any sleep at all. But that's not the worst of it, when we leave Washington DC, lightning strikes the train tracks and we move at a snail's pace until we reach Richmond. Oh, and there were five rats in my train car alone. No wonder Amtrack is going under. Needless to say, I was dreading the trip back.

But I finally arrived, three hours late, but i arrived, just in time to see what terrible taxi service Williamsburg has. So another half hour later, I arrive at the hotel, which was only three minutes away, but I would never have found had I went on foot.

Immedietly, things start lifting up, yeah it took me a half hour to check in, but I didn't mind because I got to run into old friends. Emambu was the first to greet me, followed by Revel (who gave me a Megatron poster), then Jennifer Anderson, Patrick Toman and Kathy Pogge. And finally I bumped into Aaron, Mara and Lynati (who gave me a great piece of pottery she made), whom were of course all great to see again. Finally I got my room and I went in to unpack my bags.

After that, I made my way down to sign in to the con, and I was greeted by Siryn, and ran into a bunch of familiar faces (Hudson, Demona May, Denis, Kaioto, Lexy, Matt, Jim R, Metaldemon etc) and newbies. I was getting questions about G2K3 already. If I had a dime for everytime I said, wait for Opening Ceremonies. Hung around the Art Room and the Dealer's Room, and finally went with Aaron, Mara, Revel and Lynati to get breakfast at IHOP. Was pretty good. Then we journeyed off to K-Mart. We saw that Hudson had guns, so we went out to buy better ones. This led to the big gun fight later, but I'm getting ahead of myself.

We came back just in time for Opening Ceremonies, and while there I met Carol Wagner (G2003's Guest Coordinator) for the first time, and it was a real pleasure. She has been a great addition to our team. Well, Opening Ceremonies finally got underway, I saw with Revel, 'Nati, Aaron, Mara, Winterwolf and Dreamie, near the back of the room. Siryn thanked everyone for coming, and and Sapphire read a great poem she wrote about the fandom (which I'd like a copy of, as I thought it was great). Finally, it was time for the G2003 crew to make it's pitch. So, Aaron, Mara and I went up there, and I'll admit, I froze for a bit. never been great at public speaking, but Aaron and Mara really helped a lot up there.

Anyway, here's most of what we announced. Remember the G'98 hotel? Well... We're NOT THERE!!! The Gathering 2003 will be held in the beautiful hotel Pennsylvania. And this place is truly a Godsend. Conveniently located right across the street from Penn Station and Madison Square Garden, with access to the entire city. Room rates are $125 a night for a single and double, and I think $140 or $145 on a quadruple, I forget right now. But if you room with three other people, you'll only be paying $40 a night. That is a sweet deal. We also talked about our mascots (Madison and Death), OtherCon, which will be the Adult section of G'2003, erotic art, fanfic panels, etc. You'll have to be over eighteen to get in, and you must sign up for it. We don't want people to wander in and be horrifiedand come complaining to us. More details on G2003, later. But we were very, very well received.

Then after we were done, Siryn told everyone to be nice to us, cause a Gathering Staff works their asses off, and despite what some morons may like to say, it's not done by people just to give ourselves a pat on the back. This paragraph was addressed to a special tiny group of people in the fandom. You know who you are.

So anyways, Greg W got up and did his uaual intro. And damn, it never gets old.

So Opening Ceremonies finally ended, and i bumped into JEB, whom I haven't seen since G99. I finally bought the Gargoyles tape I bought from him on ebay... a year ago. And we chatted for a bit, before I went to Patrick and Kathy's panel. After that, it was time for Hudson and Chris Roger's panel, in which they made some announcements about changes to the server. All of which sounds funny. After that, it was time for Hudson's rant, or, as I prefer to call it now: "Story Time With Uncle Hudson"... term coined by Aaron Wheeler. It was greatly amusing. Love sticking it to stupid people! ;)

Finally that ended and it was time to end the first day with a bang. We went to watch the "Rocky Horror Picture Show". Back around New Year's, i lost my Rocky virginity, and it was great to watch it again with this crew. We were the loudest in the room. and even got up to do the Time Warp.

That ended at about 2 AM, so after that it was off to bed.

And so ends Friday.

Greg Bishansky
Wednesday, July 3, 2002 03:16:32 PM

forgot to mention that I also got to talk to Greg B during the dance. We almost got into a political deabte >:)
Gabriel "gaygoyle"
Wednesday, July 3, 2002 01:15:06 PM

Lord Sloth> It would be in our best interest to take up Lurking Fish's offer..... Cuz I want her to go to NY gathering.....and you too :).

Gathering Journal Part 2: Being the adventures of a 20 year old male with dread locks wandering aimlessly around with mone, wonder, and notwit.

Well, I starteds my day by being roayaly ripped-off. I was gonna get up at 8:30 to make for the 9:00 a.m. auditions, but, being the nervous toad that I am, I got up at eight with a rumbly tummy. So I left for breakfast. I dind't want ot get roayll ripped by paying twenty bucks for a hotel breakfast; so I opted for an honest restaraunt. After wandering around the street for a bit I found a pancacke house. "Oh," I thought, "they won't rip me off, hyuck hycuk."

I ended being tucked away ina a corner where I couldn't see anything. Not onyl that, the milk I ordere didn't arrive til I got my meal (which I wasn't told of). I looked at the menu and jsut freaked at the prices. $6.50 for an omellette, potatoes and biscuit. Why, you may ask, is that so bad? My family has been in the restaraunt been since before I was born, and I had never seen prices like that nor could conconct any reason why they would charge that much for a simple breakfast. Something like that only would cost three bucks. ANYWAY......

I mad eit back in time for the audition. Nick was there along with some other people and we all got Nicks to audition as Elisa >:D. He went in and the people with me chatted some...then out of nowhere we heard "FREEZE!! FREEZE!!!" O_o. It was if Nick was right beside me and was yelling into my ear :).

After he went, I went in and auditioned as Lexington. I was NOT going to let projection trip me up this time. SO i was pretty loud this year, and ended up getting the part in the radio-play as Milo 8D.

Afterwards, I walked around outside listening to some Death Metal (I was in that brutal mood for some reason). Met up with Hudson, Nick, Spirit Wolf (lone wolf? it sounded really Native American <:D). Chatted for a bit the headed in to see I was cast in the play.

Suddenly remembered that I needed a calender. It turns out no checks were to be accepted. Meefed, I started asking around if anyone knew a near-by ATM. Seven-eleven was the answer I got, too bad it was a mile down the road.Luckily, Nick was generous enough to let me borrow his car. YAY! got some money and got a calendar, and wandered aimlessly for a awhile until radio-play practice was supposed to be going on (that in itself went smoothly, excoet for the few mess-ups everyone did *coughcoughGORLOIScoughcough* :P). The woman who played the Gorlois (aka Demona's character) was just AWESOME!!! And so was everyone else, too :). I was really nervous at firts, but I evetnually smoothed into the groove. After that, I did some more aimless wandering until the play was gonna go on. that went splendid, save for when I didn't deliver the last line too well...oh well. Then everone got to listen to the tape of the script made with the original cast. I did some more wandering, then finally decided to crash in the room for a bit before the banquet. the elevator opened and there was Greg. "SH!T!" I thoguht. I got in and jsut kinda stood there, not really moving.

"Good job," he says.

Hheheheheheheh. "Uhhh thanks...." Boy I was nearly freaked. :) the door opened and I scooted out.

In the room, MAtt, Jim, and I talked for a bit. Then Matt, still really seeing any sense in my reasoning for being a vegetarian, asked, "On what grounds are ayou a vegeterian. You can't claim a life-affirming stance for animals." Lemme tell you, this went on for at least half an hour. I contested that animals are aware of existing while humans are aware of being aware of existing (thus the grouding for Ontology and Metaphysics).

"How do you know that?!" He demanded. We went back and forth for awhile. We touched on consciousness of man, animals, and plants; then went furher into the validity of science and sub-atomic partcles. Our discussion went from vegetarianism, to the question of being, to the question of if every atom in the room is constantly moving why don't things look like atoms and move with the atoms. Jim came in at points too to add some insight. :)

We went to the banquet and where carnviores were treated to burgers, hot dogs, and maccorroni and cheese while the vegetarians got maccoronni and a vegetable tray up front, and the vegans got just the tray. Not really anyone on the staff's fault; it was that hotel for not being as catering to the vegetarians and vegans as they were the carnivores :).

That ended and I met Spacebaby and chatted with Demona May in her room for a bit, then went back to the room. Actually, I think the talk matt and I had was actually after dinner. Yeah, that's when it was. I got mixed up.

the cosplay was fun, and Lynati had THE BEST COSTUME I HAVE EVER SEEN!!!! Seriously, her costume was the sh!t. Afterwads there was a dance, and I stole this moment to get Greg to sign my Absalom, Absalom! book. What was my motivation. Well, earlier I got to ask Greg about Faulkner and Gagoyles during the mug-a-guest, and he stated some of the influences on the show; not only that, but he listed faulkner in his top three favorite writers. to add to that, I also really love faulkner, probably more so than Greg since no other writer has had such a profound influence on my writing (or when I used to write a lot); furhter, Gargoyles had been such an intergral part in the major stages of my life: it helped me cope with being gay and provided the basis (mostly, if not only, in Goliath's character) for how I would persue my life intellectually and charactersitically (though now I try to live by religious code, but Goliath is still there). Goliath was basically a comfort I had throughout my teens for my homosexuality. I lierally could not tell my dad (since he saw it as his duty to kill of gays for some reason, I doubt he really meant it thogh, but at the time.....) and it would definately break my mother's heart; so when I had no one to turn to, Goliath would be a sort of imaginary friend for me where I would get comfort (I was parnoid to tell my friends, too) and reassurance; you know, he had to struggle with keeping his existence a secret, too, and had really no friends besides Elisa and Matt.. So, in asking Greg to sign my Absalom, Absalom! book, the two out of three influental forces in my life were sorta symbolically combined, I guess. O_o. That's a long-winded way of saying that I thought it would be neat to get his autograph on book that he and I both really like :D.

Anyways, he seemed sorta confused as to why I asked him to sign, and I was kinda nervous and shy to say it in person. :P It's all emotional value, I doubt it will be worth more than the cover price. And it's not a defacement, Greg ^_^

Anyhoo, I digress. I sat around during the dance for about three hours, before we were all kicked out of the room. Crzy, Kathy, Kaerhyn (I cannot spell that name!!) and PAtrick were heading to their room and Greg, Zehra and I all went along.

I got a free coke and pizza :D/ We talked till like three-thirty about differant stuff, and everyone seemed paricularly giddy for some reason. It was liek someone decided to blow some weed-smoke throught the air-vents in the room and mae everyone a littl....hehehehe, you know ;). (No, no illegal substances were consumed).

Greg left, and we hung around a bit longer, and I revealed myself as Metaldemon, "the asshole is here" I said, or something to that effect. :)

It was around four a.m. when I got back to my room and I banged on the door to get in (I had no key), and I rudely woke up Jim. Sleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep.

Day 3:

Basically, Matt and I woke up and left for the airport. Matt stayed til six a.m. THE NEXT MORNING. We got to say by to Greg and that was cool in and of itself. I got home and sorta did some homework and slept.

Pardon the errors and forgotten words. :) Must go to work now. Hmmmmm, that was a really personal post....ah well.
Gabriel "gaygoyle"
Wednesday, July 3, 2002 01:10:48 PM

Gathering Diary - Conclusion

Monday - Or Look! Kathy's All Wet!

The official after Gathering event was a trip to Busch Gardens. We assembled in the lobby and jockeyed for car space and soon we were underway. Hats off and Happy Birthday to Jubilee for organizing so many people. We all made it to the park and remembered where we parked. (Germany 2) bought tickets and went inside.

The core of our group was Lanny and Derek, Greg, Jubilee and me. Kellie Fay, Torrey, Sapphire, Winterwolf and Dreamie made periodic appearances as did Denis, Scott, Mandi and others who I'm afraid I can't recall anymore (I'm sorry!)

Greg and I rode the Loch Ness Monster. Kellie became the official keeper of stuff for the first part of the day, since she both caught some kind of funky cold from the hotels ventilation system ( Honestly, nice people, really nice people (did I mention how great they were?) but they need to change the filters and clean their AC system.) We couldn't help notice the number of ads that popped up during the day for Chropractic Services. It seemed to be some kind of omen, though thankfully, it seemed to be meant for someone else!

Anyway, since Greg's quote of the day was 'Sure, whatever' and mine was "I'm in". We made the rounds stopping at roller coasters and water rides along the way. It was my day to be soggy. Pompei, this odd ride that involved live flame and water was my first soaking. Not bad, kind of nice after the inferno that was the first part of the trip, but I got doused pretty good, which resulted in Lanny complementing me on my new spiky 'do and a wet tank top.

The pleasant sogginess was soon to be a thing of the past. Shortly thereafter most of us got on the white water ride. Huge fun. But, this time I didn't get a little wet, I got completely soaked. Wet denim does not equal comfy. So I squished my way out of the company of my friends for a few minutes to buy a pair of shorts and change clothes. Now I was "sporty" and only semi soggy. A vast improvement for as long as it lasted.

I avoided a couple of rides that seemed like a sure fire trip to vertigo land, but Greg and I rode nearly all the Deathcoasters except for Alpinefest, fright, whatever. I took one look at that and said "A big no." despite multiple promptings from Jubilee.

We saw the Irish dance show. The dancers stomped their feet off, but may I just say, Damn you, Michael Flatly? I much prefered the Swing show that provided our dinner entertainment and Imaginique that closed the evening and I still can't believe Greg slept through nearly all of it. I gawked totally awed. But I'm getting ahead of myself.

We still had to ride the Flume. (A word that Greg was strangely enamored with.) And to no one's surprise, I was all soggy again by the time it was over even though Greg obligingly acted as human shield.

There were bumper cars and the Autobahn and an amazingly entertaining interlude at the German area when Derek graciously paid so that we could all flip frogs. I will express some relief that he didn't win the giant stuffed flamingo, but I like the little walrus that became mine by the end of the night. (Thank you!)

Oh! And Busch Gardens is known for its critters! I got to play with the Lorikeets and see wolves and bald eagles and of course, the famous Clydesdales.

We closed the park, stopping for ice cream along the way. Well, some of us had ice cream. Greg, "Did I mention I like to eat?" Weisman, had this absurd banana split in a waffle cone. He entertained us thoroughly as he tried to eat this thing while maintaining his dignity. A perfect final act to a great day.

But all good things eventually end. We drove back to the hotel and said many goodbyes. And so ended Gathering 2002.


Wednesday, July 3, 2002 11:23:47 AM

Lord Sloth: (aka "a boy named Sue") Got yer email. and replied.
Gathering 2003 then? Yesterday, Gaygoyle offered to pay fo part of my ticket if I would go. Because I am poooooor and he WUVS ME!

So, if you'd rather take over the 2003 Gathering, I think I might be down with that :D

Lurking Fish
ON, Canada
Wednesday, July 3, 2002 11:05:35 AM

Gathering Diary Part II

Saturday - Sleep is for Wimps

Unfortunately, it's also necessary for cognative processes. I'm sort of blurry on the day part of Saturday. I know I talked to a bunch of people and had a good time doing it. I also know that I went poolside long enough to read for a little while until the game of koosh catch turned into a cannon ball contest and I got all soggy. (Remember this, it turns into a running gag on Monday).

Eventually it was time for the Radio Play. Greg's players did an excellent job and we got to "see" an episode of Team Atlantis that had a strangely coincidental tie in to Gargoyles. As an extra bonus, since this episode had been voice acted by the professional cast we got to hear their version too.

Lunch was a Mickey Dee's run. Then we tracked down an ATM at a 7/11. Hey, sometimes a little mundane is a good thing. But I wished we had been tipped that the banquet menu was hotdogs and hamburgers, I might have had something else for lunch. C'est la vie. (or something) And hey! Karine explained what Sacre Blu! means.

After the banquet and a great Q and A with Greg and Greg, it was time to get ready for the Masquerade. I sat out this year. I actually thought about a costume for five or six minutes, but I opted for minimal baggage instead. That's okay. I put on a length of batique fabric and my sunglasses and went as "Lilo and Stitch extra # 37) which, since it included bare feet, meant I was comfy as we wore out another night with pizza and a marathon gabfest. Unfortunately, this meant that I was engaging in yet another Gathering Tradition: the loss of my voice.

Sunday or This May Be the Home Stretch for the Convention, but I've Got Two More Days

Yes, we did actually get to bed before dawn, but not by much. Saturday became Sunday while we talked and laughed and generally got silly. I was smart enough to put my stuff out before going out for the evening, so getting to bed was a minimal hassle. Again, it was a good thing my roomies are heavy sleepers because this was definetly a night owl weekend.

I was late for the Starship Troopers panel - I'm not sure why. I spaced and lost about half an hour during breakfast. It was a good discussion though, and there was some interesting insight into the mind of Sony execs and their marketing staff. I hope they release everything they have stuck in the vaults, because the videos have been really good so. Afterward was the post mortem on Team Atlantis. Which will be coming to video after a fashion to a retailer near you. Buy that too and show Disney that they've been shortsighted.

I was definately starting to feel the last couple of days so though I popped in briefly for the Voice Acting Workshop (Suggestion to next year's staff - schedule that before tryouts - Please?) I mostly concentrated on setting up our next afterhours event - A dinner at a restaurant that didn't serve pancakes or waffles and a trip to the Yorktown Ghostwalk.

I slept through Closing Ceremonies so somebody else will have to report on that, but did wake up in time to round up all of our party of ten and head out of the convention.

The hotel recommended the restaurant whose name I think was the Whaling Company ( I was still having a godawful time hanging on to details by that point). The food was good, the company excellent and we made it out of the restuarant in time to make our bus at the Yorktown Visitor Center. Btw, this was my only blind panic moment of the evening, I was sure for several seconds that I'd misunderstood the guy on the phone and taken ten people to the wrong place. I was more than a little relieved when the person I asked for information turned out to be our tour coordinator.

The cruise was dorky. I didn't realize they were just going around in a big circle otherwise I would have hauled everybody above decks. But it was a chance for some of our party to catch a quick nap. By the time the boat landed and we were segregated out for another bus ride we had gained some more Gathering folk. We ended up a party of fourteen and when our tour guide Rita asked if we were some kind of a fraternity having an initiation ritual (Not sure but I'm sure it had to do with Kyt on a leash that was sending her thoughts that direction) I replied no we were all part of a family reunion, which really wasn't too far from the truth.

It was a pleasant night. The company was fine and the fireflys were pretty. We lost part of our group on the walk back to the car because they were gawking at the twinkly lights.

We got back to the hotel in time to catch a portion of the Dead Dog Party, but the conversation wasn't really in keeping with the mellow evening we'd already enjoyed so it was back to my room for more conversation and later after the party broke up, girly time with Jen and Mandi. So ended Sunday or rather Monday morning.

Wednesday, July 3, 2002 10:59:36 AM

Gathering Diary

Thursday or If It's 1AM it must be Denny's

Another year has rolled on past and it's Gathering time again. I'm on the same flight as the Gregs (that's Guler and Weisman) from Atlanta to Newport News and we all get stuck at Hartsfield for an extra hour and a half as a typical summer thunder storm rolls its way through. Eventually, it passes by and we're on our way only to be treated to another light show and a strange burnt umber moon in midflight.

We arrived in Newport News and there's Carol. She's been waiting for us for what probably seemed to her forever. We did try and call - honest! It's just everybody with a cell phone was having trouble that night.

Hotel yea! It's 1:00 in the morning and the lobby is packed with people checking in similarly delayed by weather. Fortunately, I knew I was getting in much later than my roommates Mandi and Christi so I asked them to leave a key for me at the desk. We're saved from making a big production practical joke out of Jen's surprise arrival when Greg sees her standing in the lobby chatting up a gaggle of other folks.

Stuff stashed, it's off to Denny's and what is becoming a late night tradition, driving some hapless waitress nuts while she attempts to deal with a table full of people most of whom haven't seen each other for a year.

Friday or Wait a Minute, Didn't You Plan This?

Friday after breakfast (nice people, honestly probably the nicest waitstaff I've ever run across, even if they were a bit dazed and confused) the day begins. I snag my badge early and chat a bit with Siryn and the others. Then I indulge in what is becoming another tradition, banging on Greg W's. door for a early (for him) morning wake up call. This year I'm on legitimate business, I'm delivering his convention badge and making sure he's awake and ready for his first Mug a Guest. A Mug, for anybody who's wondering is an opportunity for a small group of people (usually less than ten) to chat up a guest on any subject they care to broach.

That duty accomplished, it's back downstairs to help out in the Art Room with set up, catch up with folks and try and attend a Writers Workshop. Kudos to Kellie Faye for an intersting excercise involving canon characters and an trigold set emerald. I did get a little twitchy, I'll admit. One of the downsides of staying up late is a certain amount of continual motion is necessary to stay alert. So I snuck next door to audition for the Radio Play. It was an interesting experience. I'm not sure why I got so bloody nervous, maybe because the last thing I ever acted in was "Sory Wrong Number" (hey, I had the lead!) but that was in the 8th grade. Anyway, back to the workshop to hear everyone's writing sample and guess which characters they'd been assigned. I must have done something right there, because nearly everybody guessed I'd been assigned Goliath.

After the seminar it was time for more chatting. I apologize to everyone for not naming names, but frankly, all the specifics have run together in a massive blur. I will say that I enjoyed myself thoroughly, that I was really glad to see whereall some of you have taken yourselves, especially those younger folk who I've known for several years now and watched grow up and also that I've rarely laughed so long and so hard in all my life. Whoever tagged me "Betty", my ribs still hurt, thank you very much!

Opening Ceremonies - Wow look at all the fresh meat! Seriously, it was neat to see all the new faces at opening ceremonies. I hope you guys had a great time and will be back again next year. Greg brought out his stories - (Greg - you might want to have those tapes transfered to DVD so they don't get trashed) and the New York Crew made their opening pitch for next year. It sounds like an awsome amount of planning has already gone into 2003, which should translate into a terrific time for all. Go you New York Clannies!

But back to this year, and Si and her crew who did a bang up job. Free swag for all from Toon Disney! And all they had to do is read a short advertisement. And best of all Gargoyles DVD's coming soon (well, in a year or so) to a retailer near you!) And because the excitement never stops, the announcement to run, not walk to your nearest Disney Store to buy Gargoyles lapel pins (only $5.00) new to stores now. Let's show those marketing people there's a consumer base for Gargoyles. If we buy the little stuff now, they may reward us later.

And finally, it's 8:00 and I'm supposed to be on a Fanfiction Panel. My fellow cohorts were to be Patrick Toman (because we write together as Madame Destine for the 3 people not in on that secret), Moon Cat, Spacebaby and Mara. Somewhere along the line we were supposed to get together and come up with a presentation but that didn't quite happen.

Oh well, what do you do when you have no formal presentation, but want to engage an audience? Go fishing!! Which is what I did. We started with Slash since it seemed that some of our audience were slash writers ( a nibble, but no real bite). Moved on to the whys of pen names (can't do much with that one).

Greg thought he was making us nervous so he bailed. Which was his loss because then we started in on deconstructing a character to figure out how to place him in an unusual situation (because not all adult oriented fic is about chains and whipped cream) and the conversation really started to fly.

We ended up deconstructing Anton Sevarius, coming up with a really strange backstory for the guy and having a great time. I'm afraid I got a little manic, which is what I do when I'm nervous, so to my co presenters Mea Culpa.

We finally wrapped things up and now I'm a little blurry. Oh right, we went to the Con Suite and enjoyed an excellent Chinese dinner courtesy of Lexy and Kai. (A long and happy life to you both. ) And as always when a bunch of people get together we ended up talking until all hours of the morning. Greg was bogarting the bottled water so I swiped one just on general principals. Because, you know, sometimes you just gotta.

Eventually, I snuck back to my room, (my roommates were long out of it) and caught a couple of hours of shut eye.


Wednesday, July 3, 2002 10:51:54 AM

Quick note- posted my Gathering 2002 report on my site. Click my name to go there...
Wednesday, July 3, 2002 03:17:40 AM

Blaise>glad you got placed so fast. Don't know where you're at geographically, but I've been out of work since February, signed up with a temp agency right after that. When nothing happened, I signed up with several others who also did nothing. It's only been in the last three weeks that the first agency I approached has been able to start finding me a couple one day assignments here and there doing stuff like you describe, but for entertainment talent agents. Hoo boy is that a challenge! Hang in there and don't get discouraged. I'm trying not to.
Shan - [shan@dm.net]
Los Angeles, CA, USA
Wednesday, July 3, 2002 01:43:13 AM


<Lord Sloth, gone totally giddy with the upbeat mood of the CR, skips and dances out of the closet, only to trip over a seemingly comatose Blaise lying on the floor, hits his head on the cookie table, and falls asleep himself. After a few minutes he gets up> That was relatively painless. Luckily the cookies weren't harmed, but you probably could have picked a better place to sleep. <After pocking Blaise a few times, to which Blaise doesn't respond, Lord Sloth shrugs and picks up a now ferret sized Devil Doll, and kisses him on the beak. Embarrassed, Devil Doll struggles free and, after checking to be sure Coren isn't around, curls up to sleep against Blasie. Unfazed, Lord Sloth continues to dance about>

Blaise is right, what a *$#% load of good news this week. I'm getting into these Gathering reports a lot more then I did last year, probably because I've had a year since then to grow much stronger bonds to this fan base and I wouldn't be surprised if I like the actual show twice as much as I did then. So I'm kinda getting high of these feelings of jealousy.

DVDVDVD> Wow, possible commentary; just that by itself would be-wow.

Jim R.> "Went to Ledo's Pizza for dinner with Matt and Gabe. Talked about Gargoyles, religion, philosophy, where Lord Sloth was, and why the pizza was thinner than a cracker."
Spectacular! I was part of the group, even if only in spirit and only perhaps a brief mention. Where did you figure Lord Sloth was- <he suddenly goes into uncontrollable giggles, until he passes out and sleeps for a few more minutes>

Ask Greg> Excellent! May not be exactly what I had suggested, but I'm assuming this was derived from my suggestion. So I'll just take this opportunity to feel proud, if I may...................Ok, enough of that.

Lurking Fish>"Want to make it a plan, O ye Lord Sloth?"
Hmm, possible this option very is. However, focus on 2003, Sloth Lord must do. Afterward, difficult to see; always in motion the future is. If fanatical, Lord Sloth even more so becomes, perhaps all Gatherings be attended will.
Oh, yes. Mail U have, BTW.

Praying Gargoyle> Wasn't St. Damian's Cathedral condemned for demolition? This raises some more interesting questions like: is the ground still holly once the church is blown? Might not some or all of the fragments be carried of the ground with the rest of the rubble? How long dose the regeneration actually take; five years, or the full forty? Almost ultimately just more speculation though.

Gabriel> "wehre Matt and Jim R. were.....sleeping :D."
Did ye get my E-mail from bout a week ago?

I've also always wondered what "mug a guest" meant exactly. Could someone basically give me the basic basics?
And, I know this is early but, who knows now that they are going to try to make 2003, and thus might encounter moi?

<Lord Sloth turns to dance out of the room, but immediately trips, and falls over Blaise again and joins him in drinking oblivion, once again.>

Lord Sloth - [suenrob@sympatico.ca]
Kingston, ON, Canada
Wednesday, July 3, 2002 01:20:03 AM

*grumbles* forgot the image.
Gabriel "gaygoyle"
Tuesday, July 2, 2002 11:26:06 PM

Gathering Journal:

Day 1:

Well, I won't tell you about waking upa nd stuff like that since it doesn't pertain to the gathering. I arrived in Philedelphia around 12 or one and boarded the plane that led to Newprt News. All the while I had the subtle feeling that Matt might show up (seriously, dude!). I treid to fit people with his description: goofy-looking gay guy witha green backpack. ;) Well, a gay with a green back pack boarded, but I wasn't going to say, "Are you Matt?" and then get embarressed. SO I kept my mouth shut.

We eventually got to Newport and I got my luggage waiting for the would-be MAtt to turn the corner. He wasn't showing; then he called my cell phone and I rounded the corner and we both saw each other. We chatted pretty much the whole time til we got to the wrong hotel. I wanted to make sure this was the hotel withoutn the guy taking off, so I got down and asked for the Gathering. They ahd no idea what I was talking about, so Matt and I were kinda worried. Luckily, he had the idea to call Jim R. who gave us the location; the cab guy automatically knew where thenplace was and, before you know it we arrived.

We met up with Jim, who was waiting for the room to be clean, around three-thirty. Rather than stand around, Matt and I headed down stairs and checked in. Looked around for a bit, and go this "Celebrate Diversity" sticker from someone.

"I really need one," I said. There was this guy with long hair standing next to her.

"How come?" he asked. I showed him my CR name and he goes "DUDE!!!" He showed me his name and it was none other than Nick!! Violently, he hugged me, and I hauled him off the floor and in the air! :) We chatted for a bit, then after about half an hour, Jim R. was finally able to recieve his room. We threw our stuff up there and went to a panel with Greg talking about the Disney afternoon. ALl three of us jsut kinda sat there in awe. Matt scooted to one of the upper rows. Afterwards we introduced ourselves, then went and ate at this pizza place.

As Jim alread said, we talked about religion, philosophy, the ethics of vegetarianism (thanks Matt!;]), and other stuff. We realized that opening ceremonies were about to start, so we rushed back and grabbed some seats. SIryn began talking about the tickets we were supposed to keep, so I thought, "Well sh!t, I left mine in the room." So I sped to the room only to find that Jim R. forgot his ticket and had beaten me to the room. :) We got our tickets and headed back; Matt told us about the DVD news, and I nearly fraeked (I was able to contain myself, thankfully). Afterwards, I can't really remember what I did. I did an episode of MSG3K, then wandered around a bit.

went to the con suite and found a lot of peoeple, including Greg, just sittin' around and chattin'. Last year, Greg was this obscure figure to me, who I saw sporadically; and each time I did see hims, I was like, "Wow! It's greg." So there he is, just sitting there and chatting with everyone. "Wow! It's greg" I thought. "Do I flee, or sit; flee or sit?" SO I sat and just soaked up the aura of genius the permeated the room :p. He left to go do something, so I sat around and somewhat visited with the others (I believe CrzyDemona, Kaioto and his girlfriend, Lexy, someon else whose name tag I didn't see, I think A Fan was there, and other people whose names I dind't see). Greg came back and I just kinda sat in silence for the rest of the evening. Eventually, a mug-a-guest was about to take place, so every hauled out and I went to my room, wehre Matt and Jim R. were.....sleeping :D.

Day 2 shall be told, for the oddest conversation took place between Matt and I. I'm to lazy to fix any errors. Sorry :p

Oh yeah!
Greg W.> I was talking about ABSALOM, ABSALOM! with my mentor today (what we had read at least), and he brought up an excellent point. Faulkner continuely crafts Thomas Sutpen out to be almost God-like...in a mysterious way. The name of his plantaion is the "'Be Sutpen's Hundred'like the oldentime 'Be light'" (pg. 4 new vintage edition). "Be light" is how the original Hebrew of "Let there be light" is literally translated. The way Faulkner describes Sutpen's apppearance gives him a God-like quality, also. He drags a house out of the "soundless Nothing." And he appears like a clap of thunder. Just as God created the earth out of the Nothing (or void), Sutpen created his plantation, metaphorically speaking, out of Nothing. Anyways, just thoguth that might add some insight :) I still would like to discuss the book, too when I'm done if that's still cool <:).
Gabriel "gaygoyle"
Tuesday, July 2, 2002 11:25:25 PM

****Blaise dances into the Room. Or rather, tries to dance--he seems a bit too tired to make a really good show of it. But it's obvious that he's quite happy.**** So many pieces of good news this week! I love it!

BUD-CLARE> Good luck!

GATHERING REPORTS> Thanks to everyone whose giving them.
I must say I miss hearing and seeing the juicy tidbits first hand. Oh well, 2001 was still a good year to be at the Gathering.
BTW, what was the Radio Play this year?

REVELATIONS OF THE PRAYING GARGOYLE> Oh, ho--now we learn a bit about the planned TEAM ATLANTIS/GARGOYLES crossover. I really like the sound of it. I just wonder how Fiona Canmore and Demona were portrayed. Just straight "good" and "bad," or did some of the grey slip into their characterizations? Knowing Greg, I'd think the latter.
Either way, it's a fun image (I'd really have loved to have seen Milo and the rest's reactions to Demona--especially Vinnie).

[ahem] Oh frabjuous day! Calloo, callae!!
It may only be one to start with, but it is a start nonetheless (sp?). I must admit I'm curious as to the exact contents of the DVD--I believe it will most likely be THE HEROES AWAKEN movie version of the premiere.
Also, there's a "glass-half-empty" part of me that worries the folks putting out the DVD might wish to edit/censor the material like TOON DISNEY.
Regardless, they won't make more DVDs unless they see a profit in it, so we'll just have to BUY 'EM ANYWAY!!
Buy one for yourself, your family and friends, even the ones who don't like GARGOYLES (just tell them they can sell it on eBay). We'll knock the numbers people at Disney on their collective @$$!

ANOTHER POINTLESS UPDATE ON MY LIFE> Well, I signed up for a temp agency, and within five hours I got a job. I'm a receptionist at a mortgage company until the end of next week. It's harder than I thought (what cosmic force compels 16 different people to call at the exact same instant?), and since my car's in the shop finally getting fixed, I have to get up before 6am to take the bus.
But I am thankful for it. It's $12/hour when I desperately need money, and much more honest than telemarketing.
I'm still looking for a way to make it into a commercial before Christmas, though.

A happy belated Canada Day to all you Canucks (is that spelled right?). And I'll most likely be back for some July 4 cheers on Thursday (as of right now I can really look on it as a holiday). Until then, farewell. ****Blaise turns to leave, but his lower body apparantly decided to go to sleep already, and as a result he collapses on the floor. In a few moments his snores resound throughout the chamber.****

Tuesday, July 2, 2002 11:01:15 PM

Big update to the Ask Greg FAQ which was put together and is maintained by JEB and Greg Bishansky. There is also a ZIP'd version available for those who want to keep a copy of the FAQ offline.

This incorporates a ton of updates including latest information on the Gargoyles DVD(s).

Please e-mail me ( eric at s8.org ) if you find any errors whether it's content, HTML or otherwise.

Heads up, I'll be adding an extra step to submitting questions in Ask Greg that will require people to acknowledge that they _SHOULD_ read the FAQ before posting questions. That'll happen later this week when I'm off from work.

Also a quick update on the next version of Ask Greg. I'm writing a script that reads in all the Ask Greg data from its current format (text files) and inputs it all into a database. There's something goofy with a date conversion routine of mine that I need to fix and I hope to get that bug out tonight. Then I need to add code that imports the old OLD Ask Greg archive which is in an entirely different format.

It's a beginning. I'll try to keep you informed of where I'm at with (sporadic) updates on my progress.

Have fun!

Tuesday, July 2, 2002 10:05:58 PM

CrzyD> Great report. Re: "Sara took a large group picture so that she could blow it up and send it to Toon Disney and Disney Japan as a thank you. I understand the Toon Disney thingc but Disney Japan? With animation turn over, whatfs the point?? Anyone who worked there when Gargoyles went through certainly wonft be working there now."

Many of the artists/staff from the original Garg show are still at Disney Japan, including Kazuyoshi Takeuchi. I'd say about a good 70-80%. Those who aren't with the studio are still in touch with staffers(including myself). I think a thank you note would be a very nice gesture.

Roy Sato
Tuesday, July 2, 2002 10:02:39 PM

I've often wondered if there's any connection between the 'Gargoyles' series we all know and love, and the 1970s movie of the same name. The latter movie also features a Gargoyle main character with the name of 'Goliath'.
Mr. X
Tuesday, July 2, 2002 09:55:41 PM

Heyla! Just dropping in to post my Gathering Report for those who weren't able to make it. The staff did a GREAT job on pulling off a fantastic convention. GO THEM!

I think I took maybe ONE picture, I will post it when it gets developed.

Jennifer "CrzyDemona" Anderson - [<--- clicky for Gathering Report!!]
Tuesday, July 2, 2002 09:11:37 PM

Gathering News> Thank you to everyone who's posting reports. It's a great help to those of us who didn't go.

Gargoyles DVD> WOO HOO! That is really wonderful news! And within the same week, my cable company starts offering ToonDisney as a basic channel! What are the odds?
Now I would be happiest if the entire first season was released on one disc or disc set. It may not be too likely, but it's certainly possible and there is precident (like the Transformers DVD). And I'm hoping at the least that they do the full version rather than the Heroes Awaken cut. And extras, GOOD extras, would rock. I don't know if there's any way for Greg to give the Disney DVD people a call and volunteer to do a commentary track and maybe round up some other people to help, but that would certainly be a wonderful thing. Heck, I'd even stand for being called the PIT Crew (though we could be the Renegade P.I.T. who go around and beat on the Quarrymen. :)
So is the release just "sometime next year" or do we have a month or season?

Praying Gargoyle> Before I finished reading all the posts, I was wondering if Atlantean crystal had anything to do with the Praying Gargoyle's self-healing powers. For those of you who don't have the nice Atlantis Special Edition DVD or haven't seen the movie, Atlantean crystals are shards of a large crystal which slows the aging process for the Atlantean population. There's also a crystal in the binding of the Shepherd's Journal, which is how it survives intact until the time of the film.

Thanks again to all you kind people for your reports.

Demonskrye - [demonskrye@aol.com]
Tuesday, July 2, 2002 09:05:51 PM

Wow.. so many fellow Canucks! HUZZAH!

Never went to the Gathering. No moolah. Probably no moolah next year either.. but the year after.. oh baby. Detroit? Three hours and 60$ on a bus? Ill be there! :D

Want to make it a plan, O ye Lord Sloth? Vilija? Other Canucks who live in the vicinity? Could be fun!
Still plenty of time to plan :D

Disney releasing Gargs: well.. that would be great.. if I owned a DVD player :P

Greg B>> OOOO OOOOO! Save some of those extras for me!? *makes an unbearably cute fishyface* ;)

Sloth: "And Happy Canada day! I never left the house except to mow the lawn. Shows my level of patriotism, eh?" No, not really.. it shows something about the level of heat and humidity in this darned country. It was, what, 45 degrees today with the humidex or something? Yuck. I wish I had an air conditioner *stares at wee itsybitsy deskfan which is supposed to cool the entire apartment..* It's not happening, you know :P

I REALLY wish I could have been at the Gathering. I REALLYREALLY want to see that Bad Guys Reel.. more than ANYTHING else in the world. Well.. anything else Garg-related at any rate. Seeing that would force me to squeal like a girl and bounce up and down in my seat... before getting thrown out ;)

Beyond that, I am working on my own animation sequence for a music video (on the same theme). I've never animated anything before. And I am a team of.. well.. myself. Should be GREAT fun :P Anyway, the 2004 Gathering is the goal for that wee beastie. We shall see :D

I really need to quit lurking so much and start posting a little more.

Lurking Fish
Tuesday, July 2, 2002 08:53:09 PM

"Gargoyles" Movie>I recently found a web page (click my name) about a movie set in Manhattan and about gargoyles. It's not Goliath and the gang, but it still makes you wonder. It's called StoneFlight and is based on a book about a little girl who's parents constantly fight. She runs away, to the roof of her apartment building and befriends a stone gargoyle. They fly together to Central Park and she meets other gargoyles and troubled kids. This story also reminds me of "God Bless the Gargoyles", but perhaps it's a beginning. No word yet when it might be released, still very much in pre-production.
Tuesday, July 2, 2002 07:18:22 PM

My apologies for any bad grammar or spelling mistakes. I believe that's the longest post I've ever made in here.
Jim R.
Tuesday, July 2, 2002 06:30:34 PM

Gathering 2002-Friday (non-abridged version):

Left PA at 9:30am and arrived at the hotel around 2:45-3:00pm. When I got there I wasn't sure what to do. I'd seen people walking around, but I was skeptical as to whether I was at the right place. After walking inside and seeing people with nametags featuring the G2002 mascot, that put any doubts to rest.

Met two helpful Gathering people to direct me to the right place for registration since I was new. My check-in time was scheduled for 3pm so I was right on time, so I went back out to my car to get my stuff. While I was rummaging through the trunk, lo and behold this guy walks out to the vechile next to me carrying what looked like Gargoyles kids backpacks and some other stuff. I stared for a few seconds, long enough for him to turn his head and notice me. For a second, I was sure he looked like Greg Weisman but then I again, I'd never actually "seen" Greg in person, only past pictures. So I went about my business getting my things and heading back inside.

The front desk tells me my room isn't ready yet, try back in 15 minutes. I go downstairs and start checking out what's around, the art room first, then the dealer room. Met Margaret Demona May Stephens, was introduced to Hudson and shook hands with many others who were all firing off Nerf guns! Sweet.

Still waiting for Matt and Gabriel to arrive, I checked room status again, still not ready! I was glad to know I had a room, but wanted to put my stuff someplace. I notice my cell phone is useless inside, so I go out to get a signal. While taking some pictures outside, I get a call from Matt saying they're on their way, 10 minutes later Matt and Gabriel arrive and we meet for the first time. Always a pleasure to meet people you've known online for a while, but never actually met.

Dammit! The room still isn't ready! Finally close to 4:00, they reassign us to room 218 instead of 320. If anyone here got 320, it had better been *exceptionally* neat for taking longer than expected, but than again, I know the hotel staff was busy handling the con and other customers so I didn't mind very much.

Us three went to the Disney Afternoon Q&A, and it turns out, Greg Weisman was the guy I'd seen outside earlier! Am I correct you took stuff out to your (I guess it was a) minivan, Greg? If so, I parked right next to you, what are the odds of that?! After the Q&A, Greg was talking to someone else, but I just wanted to say hi. Sorry, I hated to interrupt your conversation Greg, but I wasn't sure if I'd ever get to shake your hand any other time. I was new to the Gathering.

Went to Ledo's Pizza for dinner with Matt and Gabe. Talked about Gargoyles, religion, philosophy, where Lord Sloth was, and why the pizza was thinner than a cracker. Heh.

Then at 6:00, opening ceremonies. Siryn started it off by welcoming everyone. (BTW, thanks for all the help answering my emails Siryn, sorry I never got to thank you in person) And then Greg took over with what I suppose is the normal Gathering speech he makes every year, but was new to me. Afterword, Greg showed off his videos. That rocked. The "Bad Guys" episode was awesome. Liked the Gangsta's Paradise music. I never thought of Coolio in a Disney cartoon, but the effect it had made it all the more better. I refrained from recording the Bad Guys episode. I asked first if it was OK to take pictures in the art gallery, but the attendants said no. I perfectly understood this since the artwork was up for bids. Knowing this, I made sure *not* to record any of "Bad Guys." I wanted turn my full attention to see it with my own eyes anyway, but after finding out that no one was supposed to do this, I was glad I hadn't. I did tape some small segments of the Jonathan Frakes interview and the preliminary Gargoyles storyline sketches read by Greg on tape. I hope this was OK? If not, I'll record over those parts immediately.

Oh yeah, also snagged my free T-Shirt, complements of Toon Disney. I wore it to work today. A few co-workers commented that they like it. The one girl even remembered seeing movie out (The Heroes Awaken, I guess). See, Gargoyles was unique, because people who've never watched it can remember seeing something about it.

Later on, went to the MGT3K (Mystery Gargoyles Theater 3000). That was hilarious! Aside from Bad Guys, it was probably the best part of the night. "Seeing Isn't Believing" IS probably the worst episode of the Goliath Chronicles and really deserved to have the bomb dropped on it. Sarcasm rocks!

I don't remember what I did after MGT3K. Wondered around some, and then sleep.

Saturday tomorrow. I'll be putting this on my website later along with photos.

All for now.

Jim R. - [email-jim@lycos.com]
Tuesday, July 2, 2002 06:24:34 PM

Jvst testing
Tuesday, July 2, 2002 04:40:56 PM

Hope everyone had a great time at the Gathering!

The link with my name is to a news article about what's coming to TOON DISNEY starting Sept 2nd. One would hope, with the support shown by Toon Disney for G2002 with the freebies, GARGOYLES will still maintain a good schedule spot. But TOON DISNEY is acquiring 8 new series, as the article explains, so no telling how that might impact when/how often GARGOYLES will be played come September.

Shan - [shan@dm.net]
Los Angeles, CA, USA
Tuesday, July 2, 2002 04:00:31 PM

I don't normally post here but I came across some news that some of you might be interested in.

For those of you who get the Encore Action channel, this month they are going to air the anime series 3x3 Eyes starting on Friday, July 13th at midnight. If you didn't know, Greg Weisman was the voice director for the English dub version and a number of the voice actors from Gargoyles provided the voices for this series.

Tuesday, July 2, 2002 11:08:21 AM

First happy belated Canada day. I didn't realise till I looked at my Calender.

The Gathering 2002 Journal part II

I woke up early and decided to find some breakfast. The hotel had a little resteraunt that sold breakfast. So in wa way we were all at a bed and breakfast.
After breakfast I just lounged around chatting unti reg opened.

Reg opened. Recieved my badge and our manilla pack that conatined a lot of stuff. I checked the schedual. The Badges were nice. They were on lanyards instead of on pins, and the lanyards were decorated with alien heads. The Lanyard fit with my Screen Name.

First thing I did was the Mug a guest with Greg W. He paused for a pic((Wich the camera ate)) and introduced himself. I told him this was my second. The previous was 2000 where I sat next to him at the banquet.
Went to the dealers room and scoped out the merchandise, Bought an Ice Storm Brooklyn. I went to put it away when I stopped to chat with Leo and a few others in the hall. Mara and aaron woke up. She gave me a picture that she made just for me. IT RULZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tried out for the Radio play and was at the Fanfic panel. Ate something and chatted with Greg B, Aaron((saw his tatoo)), Dreamie and Winterwolf.

Opeing Ceremonis was great, despite the fact that I was in the back. Saw the original panels as well as the panels for some of the spin offs. After I got a free shirt.

Afterwords I goofed off a bit and then went down for the adult fiction workshop. Both Greg's were there, but they left before we really got into a good discussion. Kathy brought u some interesting ideas on what to do with Severius.
Next was the MGK3000. Both eps wee from the Goliath Chronicles so they both deserved to be Msted.

Went to the 11:00 Greg thing. It was fun, spent a lot of time just yacking. I stayed until 1:00 Then Sleepy time.

Tommorow part III.

Spacebabie - [LadyAndromeda@smstars.zzn.com]
Tuesday, July 2, 2002 10:44:32 AM

Praying Gargoyle> this was always one of my favirote "Gargoyles" talismans, even before this Gathering, but the revelation of this stuff is one of the coolest things about attending this Gathering.
Greg B didn't mention that there is an Atlantean Crystal inside the Praying Gargoyle, and Greg W was quite right when he said several months ago that the purpose of the artifact was to "protect the protectors" definitly a cool thing to have around!!!
i wonder how Demona knew it was buried under Paris though... and i'm glad to have learned that it has regenerative powers with the right conditions. it was a shame (and intrigingly symbolic) that Goliath would destroy a Gargoyle artifact, and i'm glad to see that it wasn't really destroyed.

Tuesday, July 2, 2002 05:03:24 AM

Actually, I second Lord Sloth's question- how much of the Team Atlantis ep are we allowed to reveal? Just the historic details, or a full-fledged synopsis, or no more than Greg B. already revealed? I'm writing my G2K2 report now and I hit a wall when I got to that part...
JEB - [JEB215AlphaZed@aol.com]
Tuesday, July 2, 2002 01:15:40 AM


I meant to add a link to the Gargoyles Rebith web site in my last post, but forgot. I have it now, so click it.

Very cool revelation about the, now Atlantean, Praying Gargoyle! Don't suppose there are any details you left out Greg, or that someone else in aware of?

Very, VERY, cool news about DVD plans! But the question now is, is it just supposed to be a direct transfer of the video "the Hero's Awaken" or might they put some real effort into having the best of both versions in the DVD? That by itself would be awesome, but some behind the scenes\bonus material would be even awesomer, but I shouldn't be too greedy. I wonder if there is an address where we could beg Toon Disney for this sort of stuph.

Todd> From the first time I saw "Sanctuary", I somehow got the impression that Paris was one of Demona's more favorable sanctuaries during her millennia of existence. I guess I just read a lot from her line "GOLIATH! New York is your protectorate, leave Paris to ME!"; she seemed pretty possessive then. But I'm sure she's been all over Europe, Asia, America and other places, whenever a place has a turbulent history. Macbeth too for that matter.

Wingless> Nice card. I even recognize most of the names on it. Dunca.
Don't think it got much beyond 82F in Kingston, but the afternoon was moving on when I checked so maybe it was higher. Can't imagine a day hotter then this though!

Bud-Clare> Good luck.

Matt> Hmmm, don't recollect the name Owen Meany, and I barely know who John Irving is (just that he's an Author). What did you learn about Kingston? Were you inspired to come visit here? You could tour around Fort Hennery, listen to Jazz at the "Tir Na Nog", but of course my house is the coolest place to be (I live on the same street as the former mayor (talk about exciting!)).

And Happy Canada day! I never left the house except to mow the lawn. Shows my level of patriotism, eh?


Lord Sloth - [spunkidge13@hotmail.com]
Kingston, ON, Canada
Tuesday, July 2, 2002 12:35:59 AM

I actually entered the writing contest that Gore posted a link for a few weeks back. I think this is a first for me, making the deadline and all (with a half hour to spare). Wish me luck.

Aris> "would Nimue, Morgana and the Lady of the Lake form a maiden-mother-crone triangle?"
And just which of them are you calling a crone? You don't want one of them mad at you... ;)

Bud-Clare - [budclare@yahoo.com]
Tuesday, July 2, 2002 12:17:31 AM

Happy Canada Day!!!

Glad to hear the awesome news for the fandom! Thanks for the praying gargoyle low-down too. I'm sorry I missed the Gathering, but there is a chance I may make it to G2003, I have cousins in Brooklyn. Sweet! Hope you all had a great time, and for those of us not so lucky to be there; one day, we will.

I won't be around for a while, I'm going overseas. It'll be good to escape this crazy heat. (Wingless, I hear you!)It's cooler in Lithuania than it is in the GTA. It was 106degreesF with the humidex today. Madness!!!

Happy Independance day in advance USA! Have a good one.

Vilija - [pikavil@hotmail.com]
Oakville, Ontario, Canada
Tuesday, July 2, 2002 12:08:07 AM

Gargoyles on DVD - I take it that this was news from the Gathering. All I can say is, "Hallalula"! (or is that "Jalapina"?) Anyway, it's about time. And yes, I too am glad that Disney is finally taking us seriously. Now, as long as they don't insist we call the fandom the "Pit Crew", I think we can get along.
Xeennexx - [xeennexx@accesstoledo.com]
Monday, July 1, 2002 07:44:53 PM

Gargs on DVD- great, now I have no excuse NOT to get a DVD player! ;-D Oh, well!
Monday, July 1, 2002 07:15:19 PM

Welcome back, everyone who attended the Gathering! I hope that you had a great time.

BISHANSKY - Thanks for the information about the Praying Gargoyle. (Demona really seems to have almost a fixation for Paris - we now know that she's visited it three times - the clash with Team Atlantis, the recovery of the Praying Gargoyle in 1980 where she killed Charles Canmore, and the events in "Sanctuary". Of course, she may have visited it even more times. Indeed, she's likely visited a number of other big cities - we know that she's been to New York and Florence, and in light of the names of the Clones, I wouldn't be too surprised if she spent some time in Los Angeles.)

Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Monday, July 1, 2002 06:46:30 PM

Yes, Disney is releasing Gargoyles on DVD next year. One DVD so far, and if it does well, more will follow. Disney is now beginning to hear us.

And yes, Toon Disney sent free t-shirts and caps to G2002, and were given out for free. Don't worry about missing it, the extras (and there were a lot) will be available at G2003.

Greg Bishansky
Monday, July 1, 2002 06:45:24 PM

What I'd like to know is whether the news about Gargoyles out on DVD next year is genuine. And Mooncat, what's this about Toon Disney giving out freebies? Were they helping to sponsor the con?
Monday, July 1, 2002 06:40:42 PM

Back from the Gathering. Full Gathering report... eventually.

First I'll share a small tidbit about the Praying Gargoyle. As we know it was created to protect the gargoyle race. And it was a gift from the Atlanteans. Demona found it in 1920, and tried to use it to destroy humanity, but was defeated by Fiona Canmore and Team Atlantis. The statue fell from the Eiffel Tower and was shattered. Though at the end we see Demona snatching the remains.

Now this confused me, because the Praying Gargoyle was intact in "Hunter's Moon". So the next day I tracked Greg down and asked him why. And he was quite forthcoming. The Praying Gargoyle has the ability to regenerate itself if left on holy ground. But it takes a long time, that's why Demona left it at Notre Dame. And since the Praying Gargoyle was left at St. Damien's Cathedral... well, it's safe to say that we haven't seen the last of it. I smell a 2198 story here ;)

And of course, I've got to mention GATHERING 2003! Manhattan, June 27th to the 29th, 2003. Mark your calendars folks! More information soon.

Greg Bishansky
Monday, July 1, 2002 05:21:22 PM

Happy Canada Day! Canada is now 135 years old! Yeah, we're just a young country.

Oy, I just got back from walking in a parade. Here in BC, we have a Salmon Festival/Canada Day parade and this year I voluteered--I helped carry a banner. Altogether, I walked about 4 or 5 kilometres (have to walk back to the car too, ya know!).

Btw, I'm anxious to read all of the Gathering attendees' reports. Send them in soon, k?

Monday, July 1, 2002 04:17:15 PM

Welcome home to all you gathering goers. Hope you all had a great time. I know I did in 98 and last year.

Also, to my Canadian Garg siblings-Happy Canada Day! We here in Ottawa re melting with 100oF temps for the next few days. I'm doing my best to keep cool.

Also an advance happy July 4th to all our US Cousins.
I have a special treat for all of you, especially those of you who weren't able to get to the gathering last year or this year. I had hoped to get this posted before now, to quote Lex-better late than never. Thanks to IRC Goliath(Seth) and IRC Cecil(Ken) for helping me with this. It may take a bit of time to load, but well worth it. Last year I put this little card together and we got as many guests to sign it as we could. Click my name - I hope you all enjoy it ^_^

Now, Im off to have a cool shower and drink a few letres of water.

Wingless - [canclan@rogers.com]
Ottawa(our country's capital), Ontario, Canada
Monday, July 1, 2002 12:35:28 PM


i JUST got home from The Gathering, boy what a crazy weekend. more on that later, now i need SLEEP!!!!

oh, Lord Sloth, i reread my favirote book on the plane/airports this weekend, "A Prayer for Owen Meany" by John Irving, and for the first time i noticed it mentioned Kingston, Canada, if only briefly...
oh, and happy Canada Day to those of you fortunate enough to be Canadian!


Monday, July 1, 2002 11:42:52 AM

Well, 4 days SINCE the Gathering 2002 began. And I am happy to say I made it home alive after 5 hours of driving!

I had an awesome time for being a first-time-goer to the Gathering. I think Matt would we agree that the Mystery Gargoyles Theater 3000 was hilarious! BTW, Matt and Gabriel, I hope you guys made it home OK and it was great meeting you both in person, as well as lots of others and of course, Greg.

I have some pictures I took, which I need to download onto the computer first and I'll post a link when I have the web page created. So give me a day or two to do that. I suppose I'll also write (what I can remember) a few things of what I did on my site and to Ask Greg.

Well, got to go for now. Back to the grind. Heh.

Jim R.
Monday, July 1, 2002 10:30:07 AM

Now for my gathering Journal

Upon arriving at the airport we noticed the line for Airtran was too long. Dad figured my large suitcase could fit overhead. We said farewel at the Scanner. After I went through they checked me out with the wand. Damn Underwire!
I got checked out again before I got on my flight. Went through my suitcase, bags and shoes. (Thank You Mr Reed)

The Flight was allright. Pretzels and diet soda for a snack. Got off and met Leo and his brother, Ed. We chatted while waiting for Revel.
After getting our room keys we bumped into more gathering members in the Lobby. Some remember me from 2000. Leo, Edward, Revel and I had dinner.

Walking back from the resteraunt it started to rain, so we sped up. We decided to lounge in the lobby and talked with the people there. The people behind the desk asked us to either be quiet or go to the pool.

I went to the pool, the water wa freezing. Mostly talked in the water with other gathering member. Afterwords I redressed bought a soda and talked some more. Went outside and heard some good stories. Mostly involving Walmat and Red necks.
Then I went to bed. Mooncat did not show up that night.

Spacebabie - [LadyAndromeda@smstars.zzn.com]
Orlando, Fl, U.S.A
Monday, July 1, 2002 10:22:54 AM

9th I hope

okay, con news...

DVD GargoylesO *^_^*

Nuff said!

Yummie freebies from Toon Disney!!!!!

I scored a script, Turf, donated by Asner, signed, yaaaaay!!!!

I didn't score the character drawing of Demona, by Roy Sato, =( But it went for $510 yiiiiiiikes!!! I'm so mucking jealous of Mara and Aaron. grrrrr!!!!

More comments later, I'm now visiting a friend in VA and am wirelessly jacked into their system. But I'll feel better when I get home and can use my main computer. Con Journal/Report will be forthcoming!

Gathering rocked!

Monday, July 1, 2002 08:35:22 AM

Morgana Fae
Monday, July 1, 2002 08:18:01 AM

8th I guess.... Have I missed anything during the past fortnight?
Mr. X
Monday, July 1, 2002 07:09:37 AM


Since (I imagine) everyone is returning from gathering about now, it's time to spill it. Tell us, tell us, tell us please, what you did, what you saw and what you learned. I'm particularly interested on new revelations concerning the praying gargoyle artifact, which I heard would be released this year. I'd also like to know about what yall learned about the late Team Atlantis. I take it you're not all sworn to secrecy about it.
I'm also curious; this year you had Greg G. and Greg W. for guests, yet for 2001 there were considerably more people (especially voice actors). I was just wondering, since I hope to witness the next one, which sort of guest list is more usual. Is there generally a few more then one guest (I've always assumed Mr. Weisman was part of the "package" of every Gathering)? Even though I'm sure it will be great anyways, I'd very much like to meet some of my most idolized voices (I'm a semi trekker as well) while I'm there.
And does anyone know how many people attended this time?

For those of you who don't check "Gargoyles News Central" regularly, you may be interested to know that "Gargoyles Rebirth, Episode 1" the computer game is complete and ready for download. I'm not sure if it will work for you though, it hasn't for me and I'm trying to figure out what components I'm missing. I've been able to play some of the "demos" though, and it seems absolutely sweet. Just wish I could play the full thing.

Pardon me; I always overdo my top10 message.
Zahk parig hemp goute? Fiffy ja!

Lord Sloth - [spunkidge13@hotmail.com]
Kingston , ON , Canada
Monday, July 1, 2002 02:51:44 AM

6th! finaly go baracuda he is the best fan fiction wrighter of all time! hi what u doing knoxville!

Sata - [waverly_girl@hotmail.com]
Monday, July 1, 2002 01:55:25 AM

6th! finaly go baracuda he is the best fan fiction wrighter of all time!
Sata - [waverly_girl@hotmail.com]
Monday, July 1, 2002 01:54:39 AM

5TH again.... rats. ;)
Knoxville - [knox@ketnar.org]
Monday, July 1, 2002 01:47:01 AM

Herro! We are fourth. No gold, silver, or bronze. Just a consolation prize.... ;) Or do we even get that? Heehee.


Roy & Kiva
Honolulu, HI, US of A
Monday, July 1, 2002 01:14:31 AM

Monday, July 1, 2002 12:47:06 AM

Monday, July 1, 2002 12:20:33 AM

First...? Hoo-yeah!
Monday, July 1, 2002 12:19:12 AM