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Canmore's wife -- was Sainted for stamping out the local religion and replacing it with her own, which feeds into intolerance in it's own way. I could easily see her reinforcing an anti-gargoyle sentiment in her children. Canmore's bigotry wasn't at cross purposes with the church, only gargoyles (who were not human, much less christian) and for all his faults, nothing in Canmore's behavior at taking the throne or destroying gargoyles would be cause for censure from the either the church or the general population, for the time and place he was living in. In those days, as long as your bigotry was directed against non-christians, it was not only not censured, but encouraged by most of the christian church and state.

Mooncat
>^,,^<

Mooncat
Sunday, January 26, 2003 11:06:04 PM
IP: 68.102.23.36

Todd > <<Well, Demona strikes me as a lot more obsessive about her goals than Goliath about his>>

I think Goliath is obsessive in a differant way. Before they moved to the clocktower, don't forget how obsessive Goliath was about staying in the castle. I think the differance between the two is that Goliath is prone to reason from others (when forced on him like in "Enter MacBeth"), while Demona does canre what others think.

Hmm, I wonder what Demona does read; maybe some misanthropic literature goes her way, no? Nothing comes to mind, though.
Gabriel "gaygoyle"
Sunday, January 26, 2003 08:50:49 PM
IP: 66.169.210.231

AIRWALKER - Well, Demona strikes me as a lot more obsessive about her goals than Goliath about his - and I certainly doubt that she would have any interest in human literary achievements, given her general scorn for the whole species. But you might be right about that.

You're correct about Canmore's wife; she did become a saint. (St. Margaret of Scotland, to be precise. She was a member of the old English royal family who fled to Scotland after the Normans took over England in 1066.) She even died from grief after Canmore was slain in battle in 1093.

It does seem a bit odd that an anti-gargoyle bigot like Canmore could inspire such love and devotion from a saint, admittedly. One possibility is that Canmore reformed later on (maybe even under Margaret's influence) and became a good king, although since he somehow passed the Hunter legacy on to his children, that doesn't seem too likely. Or maybe Margaret was just so utterly soft-hearted that she could love even an unscrupulous tyrant. (Or, just possibly, although that could cause some controversy at the Vatican if she's still officially a saint, maybe she didn't really merit canonization after all).

Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Sunday, January 26, 2003 08:00:10 PM
IP: 63.208.61.211

Online registration with paypal is now up for the Gathering.

http://gathering.gargoyles-fans.org/online_order.html

Lynati
Sunday, January 26, 2003 01:50:06 PM
IP: 65.66.152.37

TODD - You wrote: [Demona would most likely be the least interested, partly because of her general scorn for humans, and partly because she doesn't exactly strike me as likely to ever sit down and relax in a comfortable armchair with a good book, being way too obsessed with wiping out humanity]

In Robert Burns specifically, she might not be so interested. But while she is obsessed with destroying humanity I don't think she spends literally every waking moment plotting and planning on it. I always figured that she must have some sort of interest in reading, much like Goliath, just focused on completely different subjects. I could picture her sitting down to read a good book or a literary classic but not anything recent.

(She and Goliath are very similar to each other in some ways - after all Goliath is focused on Protection with almost the same strength as Demona is on Destruction but he still finds some time to sit and read, to have a hobby outside of his main passion. I would figure that Demona would be almost the same.)

You wrote: [One thing that I can't help wondering after reading your comments about the characters keeping the Weird Sisters appearing in 1040 a secret - if you stop to think it over a bit, it obviously didn't remain a secret for all that long, given that Holinshed and Shakespeare were both aware of Macbeth having a run-in with the Sisters.]

Its possible that Canmore used the meeting with the Weird Sisters as propoganda against Macbeth. That would explain how Grouch could mention that Macbeth stood accused of using Sorcery and how he had to let everyone think that he was dead. Selectively mentioning the Weird Sisters while leaving himself out of it would have been a smart move - given that Macbeth suddenly aged and that he's allied to a Clan of Gargoyles, charges of Sorcery would be more believable to the common man and to the nobles. And after getting rid of Macbeth, Canmore could have history record the version of history that he saw fit to be remembered. And that would include Macbeth making a pact with the Devil through some old crone Weird Sisters. All the records mention Macbeth alone while leaving out Duncan and Canmore after all.

The clash between Macbeth and Canmore could be seen in a way as a clash between Christianity and the Old Ways. While Macbeth was Christian he was still surrounded by Gargoyles, magic, and such. Canmore was a force for eradicating such things and firmly establishing "pure" Christianity in the area. He did build Churches once he took over and I think that he wife was made a Catholic Saint.

Airwalker - [airwalker9999@yahoo.com]
Brooklyn, NY
Sunday, January 26, 2003 10:43:32 AM
IP: 12.88.160.106

*Enters once more*

SORRY!!!

That's "Robert" Burns, not "Robbert" Burns. My bad agian.

His name is worth correcting.

*Leaves once more*

Later~



Pyro X
STILL BITTERLY COLD, ALBERTA, CANADA
Sunday, January 26, 2003 12:55:27 AM
IP: 205.206.79.107

*Enters from out of the cold.*

Bud-Clare> Big WOOOOPS on my part! And I call myself a fan! ( :P to me!) Thanks for pointing that out to me!

Todd> We have a LARGE gathering (following?) (no pun intended) of Robbert Burns fans here; they even erected a statue of him. Today (and every one of his birthdays) they all gather around his statue and recite his poems and such. Usually, they try to wear traditional Scottish garb, but today it was just to bitterly cold to.

It's sad that he died so young (Mid thirties, I belive.)

*Leave to freeze once more.*

Later~

Pyro X
STILL BITTERLY COLD, ALBERTA, CANADA
Sunday, January 26, 2003 12:53:29 AM
IP: 205.206.79.107

Well, today is Robert Burns' birthday; given the significance of that for Scotland and the Scottish, I did find it appropriate to mention here in the comment room (given how many of the characters in "Gargoyles", especially the title characters, are Scottish). Although I wonder as to how aware the clan would be of Robert Burns (Goliath most likely would, given his interest in pursuing the various literary classics written while he was in stone sleep for a thousand years, but I don't know about the others - Demona would most likely be the least interested, partly because of her general scorn for humans, and partly because she doesn't exactly strike me as likely to ever sit down and relax in a comfortable armchair with a good book, being way too obsessed with wiping out humanity - well, Bronx probably would vie with her for "least interested" as well, for obvious reasons).

AIRWALKER - One thing that I can't help wondering after reading your comments about the characters keeping the Weird Sisters appearing in 1040 a secret - if you stop to think it over a bit, it obviously didn't remain a secret for all that long, given that Holinshed and Shakespeare were both aware of Macbeth having a run-in with the Sisters. That raises the question of how the leak got out. (Since the story of Macbeth and the Sisters crops up in Scottish chronicles written before Shakespeare's time, obviously it couldn't have gotten out - at least, not entirely - through Macbeth telling Shakespeare a few things about events in 11th century Scotland).

Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Saturday, January 25, 2003 08:26:10 PM
IP: 67.28.89.193

Hi all; I haven't been posting as much this week mainly because I got myself a temp position and just haven't had the time to go online much this week. (The department I'm in pretty much dumped all the projects of the person I'm taking over for on my lap so I've been swamped.) I hope once I get into the swing of things there I'll be able to have more time to post the way I usually do. Anyway:


TODD - You wrote: [Duncan's death alone would be a little difficult to handle from the propaganda standpoint, since Duncan had brought it upon himself by launching an unprovoked attack upon Macbeth for no reason other than three old bedlams claiming that Macbeth would someday become King of Scotland in his place]

Actually I don't think the meeting with the Weird Sisters was known to anyone else besides Duncan, Macbeth, Luach, and Canmore. It doesn't exactly seem like something that any of them would bother repeating or even want repeated. (And if it had even been a rumor then odds are good Bodhe would have brought it up when he went to consult with Macbeth and tell him that Duncan was moving against him.)

As for Duncan moving against Macbeth, to be honest we don't know what rational Duncan used. He must have had something that could get the other nobles to stand with him; it was implied that Macbeth and his Moray Scotsmen were completely alone and outnumbered. Scotland, its nobility, and its monarchy weren't exactly the most centralized after all. Duncan would have needed a really good excuse to raise forces and get them on the warpath.

Macbeth has quite a big propoganda problem facing him in overthrowing Duncan and making himself King without Canmore thrown in the mix; Duncan must have had a good (or at least convincing) argument to move all his forces against one little stewardship. Not only that, but he is the rightful King and he has backing. Macbeth on the other hand allies with Gargoyles, kills the King and then declares himself King - without the declaration he could stick to his argument that he was fighting a defensive war. But by taking the Kingship that argument is ruined; he can protest forever but who is going to look at the situation and not figure that he made a move for the crown?

You wrote: [you'd need a lot of whitewash to cover that up, more than would most likely have been available in 1040.]

Keeping information quiet was a little easier than it is now; its not a highly literate society and information took a long time to travel. Luach and Canmore were children so few people would believe them and both Macbeth and Duncan wouldn't want to say anything about the Sisters to anyone - Duncan to avoid getting people thinking and Macbeth to make sure nobody doubted his loyalty. (Duncan was openly suspicious even before the Sisters showed up; he mentioned as much to Macbeth. If he was suspicious and open about it then its possible that other nobles might have thought the same thing. It might make it easier to convince them to move against Macbeth.) Nobody knew that Macbeth saved Duncan's life after all; Bodhe seemed a little suprised that he did it when he heard.

You wrote: [And, historically speaking, Duncan was also an incompetent and unpopular king by 1040; I doubt that anybody other than his closest kinsmen and adherents had reason to mourn his death.]

The question isn't so much if people would be upset by his death as much as it is how it would effect the geopolitical balance. He was allied to the English and close (or Canmore wouldn't really have English relatives to be sent to live with) to them. Macbeth moving against Duncan could almost be seen as a move against England; and the Scottish Lords would have something to lose in a rupture of ties with the English.

You wrote: [But putting a helpless child to death; there you've got a rallying point.]

Leaving Canmore alive only makes sense in the context of keeping England from having too much of an immediate reason to go on the warpath. Its only a short term solution at best as the English army was going to show up either way - either then or later on as it did with Canmore.

It can be argued that Macbeth was buying himself some time to consolidate without an English army showing up a short time later by not killing Canmore. It still doesn't explain the idiocy of actually sending Canmore to England where he can be a long term problem. Macbeth became a great independent warrior but he just wasn't cut out to be a King; he was too shortsighted and not ruthless enough. He made decisions without backup plans; at least Duncan was able to adapt although as time went on he became too blinded by power to remain useful. That was how he recovered from Gillcomgain's betrayal almost immediately and turned it to his advantage. Macbeth on the other hand stormed out to kill Gillcomgain without really thinking things through.

You wrote: [The deed might have started him down the slippery slope to becoming a tyrant himself]

Its possible he could have started worrying about becoming a tyrant but thats not exactly something that is supposed to come up in someone's calculation when they are purging the family of their enemy. :-)

I don't think that Macbeth would have turned into a tyrant if he had killed Canmore; he would have felt guilty about it but affairs of state would eventually get that off of his mind. After all it wasn't his first instinct to want to kill Canmore; it only came up as a suggestion to him. Without that ruthlessness in thinking of it himself he could never have developed into a tyrant. Its not just the act, its also the mindset. I don't think killing Canmore would have so radically shocked his way of thinking that it would become a way of life for him.

You wrote: [It might be worth wondering, incidentally, whether putting Canmore in charge of his English relatives in 1040 would have appeared quite so dangerous at the time as it does in hindsight.]

Leaving a heir of a deposed King who you happened to depose and who is taking it all personally is never a good idea. The thing is that while not all the details are the same, largely Macbeth is sending Canmore off on a version of Macbeths own life. Losing a parent, losing power, an exile of sorts - Macbeth knows where it ended him. Who says Canmore couldn't end up in a similar way? Its sloppy and dangerous to take the chance even without hindsight; Canmore is an heir who has publically also made a claim for the throne. Sending him into the arms of his father's allies isn't a smart idea no matter what the situation in England might be. Things can change very quickly.


SILVERBOLT - You wrote: [Did anyone else see that?]

No. I never really had time to watch FREAKAZOID when it was on TV. I'd love to see that episode though.


TALEWEAVER - You wrote: [Bionicle is a collection of lego sets.]

I've seen some of the Bionicle commericals from time to time; I think that they are done a bit CGI too so it could be possible the movie would keep with that style. I'd be willing to invest some time to see the movie.

Didn't they have something like that in the 1980's? I think it was called Robotix. I know that it had a Cartoon series made for it; I've been trying to find it for a while with no success.

Airwalker - [airwalker9999@yahoo.com]
Brooklyn, NY
Saturday, January 25, 2003 01:55:31 PM
IP: 12.88.182.165

Pyro X> <<I just noticed that there is not a pic of Turcesa (SP?) from "The Green." He is one of my favourtie Gargoyles, and I would use him instead of Brooklyn (when posting.)>>
Turquesa was one of the females. Were you thinking of Jade?

Bud-Clare - [budclare@yahoo.com]
Saturday, January 25, 2003 05:14:52 AM
IP: 24.169.113.216

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Lynati
Saturday, January 25, 2003 01:40:15 AM
IP: 66.140.73.223

*FINGERS STICK TO COMPUTER KEYS*

TODD> THANKS!

*SHIVERS IN 20 DEGREE HOUSE*

I just noticed that there is not a pic of Turcesa (SP?) from "The Green." He is one of my favourtie Gargoyles, and I would use him instead of Brooklyn (when posting.) Too bad.

L-Later~


Pyro X
VERY SNOWY AND BITTERLY COLD, ALBERTA, CANADA
Saturday, January 25, 2003 01:11:14 AM
IP: 205.206.79.107

I don't have *a* favorite "Gargoyles" episode, actually. (I generally prefer the ones with the medieval flashbacks, such as "City of Stone", and the ones with mythical or fantasy elements in them).

This has certainly been a slow week. Maybe next week there'll be more people here.

Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Friday, January 24, 2003 07:08:39 PM
IP: 63.208.44.22

Hi again everyone!!!

TODD> You might have said this before, but what is your favorite episode of Gargoyles, or do you have one? (I'm just curious.)

On the same note, mine is "The Reckoning," but I am partial to "The Price," and "Long Way Till Morning."

BTW, ANYONE> Does the title "Long Way Till Morning" have a double meaning? Like it's far from sunrise AND far from a time when the Gargoyles might be mourning Goliath's death (because Hudson is keeping him alive?) ???

Later~

Pyro X
SNOWY SNOWY , ALBERTA, CANADA
Friday, January 24, 2003 05:52:52 PM
IP: 205.206.79.107

New fanfic now posted -- "Brothers," a Gabriel and Angus story. Along with some notes about my future fanfic plans, now that I'm nearing the 100-mark. Click or go to http://www.eskimo.com/~vecna/new_stuff.html
Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Friday, January 24, 2003 10:07:18 AM
IP: 65.239.13.41

Bionicle> Bionicle is a collection of lego sets. Most build to form action figures, the Toa and the Matoran villagers they protect. Others form the bad guys, Rahi beasts and Bohrok insects. I pick them up every now and again, it helps keep me in touch with my neglected engineering side.

I've heard they are making a CGI movie for home video.

Taleweaver
Friday, January 24, 2003 12:50:42 AM
IP: 24.205.116.254

By the way, just what is Bionicle, to begin with?

GARGOYLES AS EPIC: Well, I suppose that you could consider "Shadows of the Past" a journey to the underworld, given the cavern setting and the ghosts of the Captain and Hakon. Maybe "Grief", a little, as well, since it's also set underground (beneath the Sphinx) and involves a mythical death-god.

Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Thursday, January 23, 2003 06:45:07 PM
IP: 65.57.56.88

Jimmy> <<Didn't someone mention something about a bionicle movie?>> I know there's a movie coming to video in the winter ior before that called 'The Mask Of Light' But I don't think Greg is doing that.

LOL! I was going through some videos last night when I stumbled on an old episode of Freakazoid. (I love that show!) The funny thing was that I noticed that there was a cartoon short in it with a certain resemblance to a certain Disney cartoon.

It was called Lawn Gnomes!

Stone models during the day, attempters at doing a good deed at night, even the head Gnome roared their name like Goliath. Hehehe! It was funny though. Did anyone else see that?

Silverbolt
Thursday, January 23, 2003 02:01:26 PM
IP: 213.122.99.63

This is interesting (at least to me anyways); I dont know if someon spotted this, so if someone has, then my hats off to you, if not, then it's ALL MINE!!!

Anyways, today in my Milton class, we were going over some chracteristics of epic poetry since we are about to begin Paradice Lost. One of the chracteristics we went over was that in the beginning of an epic poem (or story for this matters) the action starts in the middle of the story, then goes to the beginning and works its way foward in the narrative.

"Huh." I thought. "Funny how Gargoyles did that." Unfortunately, Gargoyles wasn't written in verse, so there is no Heroic Verse, nor is there really a journey to the underworld. BUT, the hero in epic poetry has a fault that he must overcome, and his decisions affect an entire people (or in this case, an entire species), Some of this is new to me, some I've aldready heard before.

Anyways, just to get some discussion going, what do you think about gargoyles having epic qualitites to it?
Gabriel "gaygoyle"
Thursday, January 23, 2003 01:46:25 PM
IP: 129.120.35.51

Greg's secret project> oh, i hope its the DVD that would be SWEEET! *tries to not get hopes up*

matt
Thursday, January 23, 2003 09:23:02 AM
IP: 207.230.48.28

Greg's secret project> I bet he's been working on the DVD. It would make sense, seeing how it's 2003 and the DVD is due sometime this year.
Gabriel "gaygoyle"
Thursday, January 23, 2003 12:17:27 AM
IP: 66.169.210.231

Greg's secret project> Didn't someone mention something about a bionicle movei?

Jimmy
Wednesday, January 22, 2003 11:22:37 PM
IP: 199.74.80.79

Oh, I see. Thank you.
Firestone - [intellectualproperty12@hotmail.com]
USAWednesday, January 22, 2003 07:35:08 PM
IP: 209.246.212.58

Greg indicated a while ago (a couple of months or so, in fact) that he's been so busy lately that he no longer has any time to answer anything at "Ask Greg" or to post any more rambles. We don't know just what he's been busy with, however.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Wednesday, January 22, 2003 06:08:59 PM
IP: 65.56.170.66

Perhaps this is a silly question, because I know we've gone a while without new posts before, but is there something keeping Greg from answering questions lately? I hate to sound impatient, but I miss reading his rambles and things. Does know how he's doing
Firestone - [intellectualproperty12@hotmail.com]
USAWednesday, January 22, 2003 04:10:01 PM
IP: 209.246.212.58

JIMMY> Next Gathering will be June 27th to the 29th. Click on my name to get to the site.

Registration is coming shortly. Probably sooner than you all think.

Greg Bishansky
Wednesday, January 22, 2003 12:43:48 PM
IP: 216.179.3.29

Reposting this again because a lot of people could have missed this on Sunday night (and also, the comment room's been a bit slow this week and this could help jump-start things a little).

AIRWALKER - The S&P issue that you raise is most likely a major reason for the relative lack of animated adventure series in low-tech periods of history.

Re Macbeth's decision: Well, I still believe that, aside from the moral issue, there could have been serious political ramifications to executing the young Canmore.

1. It would give an excellent propaganda handle for any of Macbeth's political rivals, especially those related to Duncan (by the way, in actual history, Duncan not only had a second son in the form of Donald Ban still alive at the time of his death, but also his father Crinan, a powerful nobleman who did in actual fact move against Macbeth and attempt to depose him a few years later, only to be slain in battle himself). Duncan's death alone would be a little difficult to handle from the propaganda standpoint, since Duncan had brought it upon himself by launching an unprovoked attack upon Macbeth for no reason other than three old bedlams claiming that Macbeth would someday become King of Scotland in his place; you'd need a lot of whitewash to cover that up, more than would most likely have been available in 1040. (And, historically speaking, Duncan was also an incompetent and unpopular king by 1040; I doubt that anybody other than his closest kinsmen and adherents had reason to mourn his death). But putting a helpless child to death; there you've got a rallying point. And if Macbeth had had to face an enemy using Canmore's execution as his primary stated motive for moving against him, he might well have gone into battle fearing, deep down inside, that the opposition was in the right, thanks to a guilty conscience over killing Canmore (which, knowing the Macbeth of 1040, he'd most likely have had had he done it), and been sufficiently weakened in morale that he could well have lost.

2. The deed might have started him down the slippery slope to becoming a tyrant himself; one case of "the end justifies the means" could easily lead to another, and then another. After all, the reasoning behind killing Canmore wasn't that different from Duncan's motives for seeking to kill Findlaech and Macbeth.

It might be worth wondering, incidentally, whether putting Canmore in charge of his English relatives in 1040 would have appeared quite so dangerous at the time as it does in hindsight. Eventually, we know, they did come around, but for all that we know, the situation in England could have been different at the time. Maybe they originally had sufficient troubles at home that invading Scotland didn't appear a realistic possibility, or maybe they initially didn't feel that fond of Canmore and viewed him as the son of a failure (on the grounds that if Duncan let himself get trounced by Macbeth, he couldn't have been that successful a king). It certainly took them a good long while to get around to invading Scotland on his behalf, and maybe at the time it didn't seem quite so feasible. Of course, we've no way of knowing.

(It's a pity that we can't consult Greg Weisman still further on this one; I'd really like to know his thoughts on this beyond just Donald Ban's existence).

You could, if you like, see Macbeth's clemency to Canmore as a bit like the old cliche in super-hero cartoons where the super-hero not only always spares the villain, but even goes out of his way to save the villain's life, thus ensuring that the villain will be able to return and threaten the innocent again.

Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Wednesday, January 22, 2003 06:39:55 AM
IP: 65.57.61.27

When is the next gathering anyway.

Jimmy
Wednesday, January 22, 2003 02:08:53 AM
IP: 199.74.80.125

Iwas just kidding about the "eleventh" thing... it's only top ten. I know that. ;)

Later~

Pyro X
CanadaTuesday, January 21, 2003 07:24:24 PM
IP: 205.206.79.107

Gabriel> ha ha ha... funny...

don't believe him, people, hes the worst roommate ever!

just kidding, Jim R is the worst...

just kidding again...

speaking of Jim R, wheres he been? didn't he say in his last post that his next post will be to announce the next music video is done? lol, looks like hes not done yet...

matt
Tuesday, January 21, 2003 09:12:52 AM
IP: 207.230.48.57

Hey people, I need a roomate for this year's Gathering. I want at least two, guys or girls, I don't care. Please e-mail if you're looking for one, too. I'm nice and I don't snore or anythign like that; I leave you to your bussiness and won't be intrusive. Though I might begin a debate with you about the absurdity of the concept of atoms :P Thanks. ^_^
Gabriel "gaygoyle" - [marduk80@hotmail.com]
Monday, January 20, 2003 10:49:16 PM
IP: 66.169.210.231

I don't think I've ever been in the top 15 before.
Michael - [goliath_994@yahoo.com]
Monday, January 20, 2003 05:31:45 PM
IP: 24.243.107.152

Eleventh...

Darn missed again ;)

Better luck next time.

By the by, is there any news on those garg DVDs?

Later~

Pyro X
CanadaMonday, January 20, 2003 03:18:43 PM
IP: 205.206.79.107

Tenth, so it would appear....
Mr X.
Monday, January 20, 2003 08:16:02 AM
IP: 202.27.186.13

Number Nine!
matt
Monday, January 20, 2003 06:14:45 AM
IP: 207.230.48.19

Eighth.

(It's scary how much trouble I had spelling that. Must be time for bed.)

Bud-Clare
Monday, January 20, 2003 04:11:23 AM
IP: 24.169.113.216

<ENTER LORD SLOTH>
Rats, I've been beaten by the Fay. Oh vell, seventh is claimed for the Sloths (for all that's worth).
<EXIT LORD SLOTH>

Lord Sloth
Oakville, ON, Canada
Monday, January 20, 2003 03:39:45 AM
IP: 142.55.22.187

6th in the name of the Fay!

Mooncat

Mooncat
Monday, January 20, 2003 02:20:28 AM
IP: 68.102.23.36

Fifth! I've got a paper on Hamlet due in a week. :/ toodles.
Gabriel "gaygoyle"
Monday, January 20, 2003 01:55:19 AM
IP: 66.169.210.231

4th!
Airwalker - [airwalker9999@yahoo.com]
Brooklyn, NY
Monday, January 20, 2003 01:25:12 AM
IP: 12.88.165.230

3rd!!
DPH
AR, USA
Monday, January 20, 2003 12:52:16 AM
IP: 204.94.193.28

second?
Lynati
Monday, January 20, 2003 12:02:36 AM
IP: 208.190.203.40

Hey, 1st :)
Leo
Monday, January 20, 2003 12:01:09 AM
IP: 68.96.8.12

I guess everyone's waiting for the room to reset.
Leo
Monday, January 20, 2003 12:00:14 AM
IP: 68.96.8.12