Comments for the week ending March 17, 2003

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These days, the Bacon theory has fallen somewhat out of favor (largely because people have a difficult time believing that the same man who wrote all those very dry essays of Bacon's could also have written Shakespeare's plays and poetry), and the Oxford theory has taken over.

The aspect of the Oxford theory that's most turned me off is the claim by its adherents that the plays are almost all political allegories about conditions in Elizabeth I's reign (for example, "Macbeth" is supposedly really a roman de clef about political intrigue in France in the late 16th century, and "Hamlet" is an expose on the corruption of Elizabeth I's court with Elizabeth thinly disguised as Gertrude and her chief advisor Burghley as Polonius). That would certainly do much to demolish the plays' appeal for modern generations.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Sunday, March 16, 2003 06:25:18 PM
IP: 65.57.62.42

Pyro X > <<(In fact IT IS a VERY disputed fact that Shakespeare may or may not have written the plays. "Shakespeare" may have, in fact, been a pseudonym.)>>

It's not that disputed (according to my Shakespeare prof.); this is mainly raised among the elite snobs at Oxford. My guess is, is that they can't stand that fact that a peasant could have written such plays.

The Bacon theory is absurd. Shakespeare actually is opposed to Bacon's philosophy, and he puts up a damn good argument against Modernism with Iago and Richard III (both being embodiments of Baconian Modernism, at least in the Machiavellian since of Bacon).

<<Shakespear's style of writing is FAR BETTER than someone of his little schooling could achieve.>>

So is Faulkner's (he didn't even finish school), yet oddly enough, no one disputes his writing. O_o Probably because they can't. SHakespeare might have done what he did: read.

My advice, which is worth so much: ignore those theories ;). That's my rant for the day.
Gabriel "gaygoyle"
Sunday, March 16, 2003 09:34:54 AM
IP: 66.139.8.172

More on Puck's Love Interest>If Miranda of the Tempest is alive maybe she could be his love interest or Ariel if she was female.

Pyro X>Interesting theory might work.
Question
Saturday, March 15, 2003 08:18:21 PM
IP: 216.170.210.215

Whoa! Looks like Bacon, Oxford and Marlowe now have some company in the Authorship Controversy - and some very unexpected company at that.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Saturday, March 15, 2003 08:01:18 PM
IP: 67.30.68.201

Could Puck be Shakespeare?

Clues:

1) Shakespeare was born on April 23rd or 24th 1562(?) (they think) and then baptised on the 25th, and then records go blank for him for a time; Puck could have taken off... and then came back to Stratford.

2) Shakespeare got married and had a family. Titania did the same thing. Puck could have as well.

3) Shakespeare left for London to work and wasn't heard from again untill about 1590. Puck could have left the family, for something else to do.

4) Many historians say that Shakespeare only had a grade school education, so he wouldn't know intricate details about the various exotic locals he used in his plays. (For example, Shakespeare states in "the tempest" that Miranda and her father were taken by sea to the island from a land-locked city.) Puck, being a child of Oberon should be vastly knowledgable about the world, since he could travel it at a whim. (In fact IT IS a VERY disputed fact that Shakespeare may or may not have written the plays. "Shakespeare" may have, in fact, been a pseudonym.)

5) Shakespear's style of writing is FAR BETTER than someone of his little schooling could achieve. Puck would have great writing ability comming from being around the likes of Oberon and Titania.

6) Shakespear writes about sprites, (Ariel) and other weird creatures and zany doings and goings on and especially subterfuge (stuff Puck thrives on. He LOVES subterfuge, and there is PLENTY in Shakespearsplays).

7) Shakespear died (they think) one the same day he was born (April 23rd). Coincidence or just luck?

8) Who Better than Puck himself to write a story about his own Lord and Lady, and himself as well? It would surly please him lordship.

That's my theory and I'm stickin' to it. At least, I think it's a convincing argument. What do y'all think?

Later~
Pyro X / Battle Beast
CanadaSaturday, March 15, 2003 07:30:19 PM
IP: 205.206.79.107

I wasn't aware that Greg had commented on Puck's backstory; I must have missed that.

Traditionally, in myth and lore, Puck was Oberon's son (his mother was iirc a peasant woman).

Leva
Leva
Saturday, March 15, 2003 07:28:06 PM
IP: 162.42.86.209

Actually, I don't see how Puck can be Merlin, given what Greg Weisman has said about them both:

1. Merlin is Oberon's biological son. Puck isn't.

2. Merlin is a halfling. Puck is full Oberati.

3. Merlin's imprisoned in the Crystal Cave (until King Arthur and Griff find him). Puck's in the Eyrie Building as Owen.

Need I say more?
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Saturday, March 15, 2003 06:36:00 PM
IP: 65.56.174.123

Speaking of other gargoyles, has anyone ever played Warcraft 3? Interesting that they've got gargoyles that turn to stone to heal wounds, but htat might not be anything new.

Gargoyles are my favorite undead units too. It's a shame they end up being such mindless savage beasts.
Jimmy
Saturday, March 15, 2003 04:10:34 PM
IP: 208.37.196.232

<ENTER LORD SLOTH>

Looking ahead to the future, after a merger of two universes, the Puck could very easily take on the Persona of Lt. Commander Data, or perhaps one of his brothers. It works on so many levels; well, two levels anyway.
But then, if he was an Android then he couldn't very easily be Q, which seems an even more likely choice. I swear those two must have been twins separated at birth or something; and as I've said before, John de Lancie so naturally sounds just like Brent Spinner's Puck, he could have easily been his voice actor.
Or maybe that's just me having watched too much Star trek.

BTW, What is this connection between Robin Hood and Goodfellow that people keep referring to (besides their first name)? And in what way was Hood based off of Celtic gods?

<EXIT LORD SLOTH>
Lord Sloth - [spunkidge13@hotmail.com]
Oakville, ON, Canada
Saturday, March 15, 2003 01:02:57 AM
IP: 142.55.22.187

Leva<Puck as Merlin. In character and it fits the bio we've been given for him. >

You weren't by any chance the person that wrote the fanfic where Merlin turned out to be Puck?
The Question
Saturday, March 15, 2003 01:01:40 AM
IP: 67.233.23.86

*whistles innocently*

Puck as Merlin. In character and it fits the bio we've been given for him.

*wanders back out*
Leva
Friday, March 14, 2003 10:37:11 PM
IP: 162.42.86.252

I doubt that Puck was Prince John any more than he was Robin Hood (since John was a real historical figure and it's certainly improbable to believe that Puck could have substituted for him that long).

However, John might have had some faerie blood in him, if heavily diluted by human blood. His family, the Angevins (or Counts of Anjou) reputedly had a female faerie or demon for an ancestor (she married an early Count of Anjou but had the habit of always sneaking out early from church services. Her husband finally forced her to sit through church all the way to the climax of the Mass, whereupon she screamed out loud and vanished amid suitable dramatic effects, taking two of her children with her). Also, King John was connected to the old pre-1066 Saxon royal family of England, which was descended from Odin. (But the bloodline would have thinned by his time to such an extent that he'd be, for all intents and purposes, human).
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Friday, March 14, 2003 06:53:13 PM
IP: 67.30.66.65

Silverbolt> "or did he say that in another episode?"

If I remember correctly, Puck said that in "The Gathering Part 2" while he was telling his story to Oberon and beating Oberon up with his "visual aids".
Old Kathy - [tgatekeeper1@yahoo.com]
Friday, March 14, 2003 11:25:19 AM
IP: 198.31.97.254

Sally> welcome to the Comment Room! yeah, sometimes you just gotta experiment with pictures and colors in here until you find one you like and that no one else has. i used to use gabriel's picture but then Gabriel "gaygoyle" came in and stole that one from me (joke) and now i use Cuchullin, and The Question is trying to usurpe it from me, but i won't give it up without a fight!!!
anyway, welcome, have a cookie *points to the CR cookie table* oh, and watch out for the baby dragons that are always running around in here... most of them won't bite... hard...
matt
Friday, March 14, 2003 09:54:38 AM
IP: 207.230.48.3

Hey Sally! Welcome :)

Here's a thought...

Puck as Prince John. See ing what the people would do when taxed to death. Or perhaps the Sheriff?

Later~


Pyro X / Battle Beast
Edmonton, Canada
Friday, March 14, 2003 09:52:59 AM
IP: 199.185.68.2

Old Kathy> <<The Puck has been many things, but never a straight man.> Really? I thought he said "The Puck is many things but never a poor guest" or did he say that in another episode?

Speaking of other gargoyles, has anyone ever played Warcraft 3? Interesting that they've got gargoyles that turn to stone to heal wounds, but htat might not be anything new.
Silverbolt
Friday, March 14, 2003 06:21:25 AM
IP: 212.50.183.100

Hi Sally. It isn't a faux pas to introduce yourself; welcome. Click my name to see some (but unfortunately not all) the images available. Try out a particluar combination and if it's taken, someone will let you know.
Vashkoda
Friday, March 14, 2003 12:04:35 AM
IP: 129.98.123.136

Well, I don't know if it's considered a faux pas around here to do so, but I figured I'd introduce myself- I'm Sally. Hi. I was a very dedicated viewer of the show during the original airing of the first and second seasons (wow, that was a long time ago...I was in the sixth grade then) and always remembered it as the first "serious" animated show I'd ever watched and thought about. Recently I saw it again at a friend's house (she has satellite TV, lucky jerk!) and became, shall I say, re-obsessed. So I'll probably be lurking around, and contributing when I can. Oh! A question: Is there any way I can preview the images, and which ones are taken? I don't want to steal anyone's!
Oh, I guess I will attempt to make a contribution to the conversation:
I don't really buy the idea of Puck being Robin Hood- If being the "straight man" was such a novel idea to him, I doubt his previous identities had very much to them other than his usual fun and games- Robin Hood was a bit too much of a man on a mission. Though the Robin Hood-Robin Goodfellow connection *is* rather intriguing...
Sally - [batsani@hotmail.com]
NJ
Thursday, March 13, 2003 11:57:41 PM
IP: 63.14.165.180

Re: The Gargoyle

There have been a number of recent stories centering around gargoyles -- Misty Lackey even did a book with a (non-Disney obviously) gargoyle character living in NYC. *shrugs* So I think that Marvel can easily get away with this. Living gargoyles are cool, clever, awesome ideas -- but not an idea copyrighted or copyrightable by anyone.

However, maybe Disney will decide to compete with Marvel the way they competed with Dreamworks -- remember Antz and a Bug's Life? :):):):):) We might get The Gargoyle vs. Gargoyles, head to head. T

Leva


Leva
Thursday, March 13, 2003 09:55:32 PM
IP: 162.42.85.37

The notion that Robin Hood was based on the old Celtic gods is considered a shaky one; for one thing, there are no mythical or fantasy elements in his story. It's a straightforward medieval swashbuckler.

And also, I recall Greg Weisman saying that Robin Hood was a human in the Gargoyles Universe.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Thursday, March 13, 2003 06:35:09 PM
IP: 65.57.56.172

The Question: <<Any quotes to back up your argument?>> If you're refering to my comment about Puck's love interest being human, then yup I got one. I was right, it's under the Ask Greg FAQ. It's in part seven: 'Family Xanatos & Owen/Puck', question number eight. The question is Does Owen have a romantic interest? Do we know her? The answer is "Yes, he has a love life, but no, we don't know her. She's human, however."
Enigma
Thursday, March 13, 2003 06:09:01 PM
IP: 24.118.156.5

Matt<I've always seen Puck as a sidekick personality. It is very easy to imagine him becoming Sancho and following Don Quixote (SP?) around. Definitely not Robin Hood, maybe Little John. It's been awhile since I have read anything on Robin Hood so I can't remember much about the other merry men. >

Why not? Robin Hood was also a master of disguise and a trickster and you're all forgetting that Puck was also known as Robin Goodfellow which had some connection to Robin Hood.

Todd Jensen<I think that an even bigger issue with Robin Hood turning out to have been Puck in disguise is that it would mean that the human race would have lost one of its heroes - because Robin Hood would have been, in such case, a Child of Oberon incognito rather than a regular, straightforward human.>

But originally Robin Hood was based on the old celtic gods so it'd be like going back to its original roots.
The Question
Thursday, March 13, 2003 01:55:04 PM
IP: 216.170.210.200

matt> "maybe he was John Little or a merry man, but being Robin Hood, himself, doesn't seem Puck's style..."
Friar Tuck? ;)
Bud-Clare - [budclare@yahoo.com]
Thursday, March 13, 2003 11:33:57 AM
IP: 24.169.113.216

I've always seen Puck as a sidekick personality. It is very easy to imagine him becoming Sancho and following Don Quixote (SP?) around. Definitely not Robin Hood, maybe Little John. It's been awhile since I have read anything on Robin Hood so I can't remember much about the other merry men.

Remember he also said "The Puck has been many things, but never a straight man." I don't think that Puck realized before he became Owen that a straight man could actually be funnier than a joker. It's a challenge for Puck to do, but more than anything else, he enjoys challenges because that is what keeps his long existence from being a drag. A pure straight man has to put more thought into what he does. He needs to see an opportunity then judge when to slide in a comment from left field. After that he gets all the gratification he needs while standing back and watching (deadpan of course) while everyone else laughs themselves silly for the next 10 minutes.

If Owen does find a special someone, I doubt he would reveal his alter ego unless he was caught as Puck for some reason. I also think his special someone would be perceptive enough to know that under that stiff exterior lurked an extremely funny person. Puck would probably follow Titania's example in Owens relationship. I don't think that Renard knew Anasthasia was Titania until Oberon called her out.
Old Kathy
Thursday, March 13, 2003 11:31:40 AM
IP: 198.31.97.254

well, we know that Puck tends to play a smaller role anyway. he didn't choose to be the world's richest man, he decided to be the world's richest man's companion. i think Puck has alot more ease doing what he wants in high places when he isn't number one, but maybe number two or three... maybe he was John Little or a merry man, but being Robin Hood, himself, doesn't seem Puck's style...
matt
Thursday, March 13, 2003 09:31:59 AM
IP: 207.230.53.7

I think that an even bigger issue with Robin Hood turning out to have been Puck in disguise is that it would mean that the human race would have lost one of its heroes - because Robin Hood would have been, in such case, a Child of Oberon incognito rather than a regular, straightforward human.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Thursday, March 13, 2003 07:23:13 AM
IP: 65.57.56.10

Pucks love intrest : To tell ya the truth Pukc doesn't seem the type to have ever even though of the idea of having a seroius relationship, if he was to love a human he would find out only for that love to die. Some would say, better have loved and lost then never loved at all, which is true but how Puck seems in the show I doubt that he would be able to recover from such a loss.
Yet if he was to love another one of Oberons children he would never be able to even look at another female again; granted they could always get a divoirce' But I'm not sure what the laws are for the children for having one.
Puck either way could pretty much have anything he wanted in a love life real or fake, he could make one up, become someone else for a lady to fall in love with him, theres a number of things he could do to get a lady. But since Puck is old as dirt I'm guessing that he slept around (so say) with the girls, that way keeping clear of the hurt that he would find with he was to fall in love. .... But then again some people say you have no power choosing the one you fall in love with.

In the Wolf and Hyena case I'm going to say that whole part of making them as they were when they were kids was a glitch, in the episode they made Wolf a baby wolf and hyena a baby with robo parts. which was wrong, they were both human babies with no tails or robo chunks attached. Anubis was the lord of the underground (hell) he was in charge of bring the dead down , he was not in charge of the land of the undead Nephthys was her job was to protect and make sure everything was in order in the "Underworld". But if you want to get into the real God of the underworld the main man was Osiris he was the lord of the dead and the lord of the underworld, so it wouldnt be up to the Jackel god to bring anyone back, no matter what Jackel made himself do with his powers. (sry I studied Egyptian gods and goddesses for a few yrs, I might even be wrong on some gods)
Thats the most I ever said in here, gees, ok i'll shut up
Babs
Wednesday, March 12, 2003 10:51:15 PM
IP: 68.83.228.122

Gargoyles>But the whole concept was already developed in the 80s with them being imprisoned in a stone spell so Marvel Comics could have more of a case of Disney ripping them off than Marvel ripping off Disney.

Pyro X<Yes Puck could be Owen. He said himself that he asked Xanatos weather he wanted immortality or a lifetime of service from Puck. He Choose Puck, so therefore Puck CHOOSE be rigid and serious. But, if he WAS Robin Hood, then we'd have seen him exhibit kindness on the poor of New York in some way>

But we don't see Puck himself being rigid or serious. Owen is rigid and serious, but not Puck so logically you could infer the same thing about Robin Hood that it was another part that he played like the Owen Burnett role.
The Question
Wednesday, March 12, 2003 10:05:49 PM
IP: 67.233.23.72

The Gargoyle> click the link at my name for more info about "the gargoyle" But the whole awakening after a 100 year old curse sounds a bit fishy to me.
http://www.flash.net/~jeanneb/g.html" TARGET="_top">Jimmy
Wednesday, March 12, 2003 08:59:35 PM
IP: 199.74.80.183

HEY; EVEN THOUGH i AM A CANADIAN, I AM VERY THANKFULL...

ELIZABETH SMART WAS FOUND ALIVE.

She was kidnapped by a religious Cult member, and was only 15 miles from home the whole time.

All religeons aside for the moment, I think someone above was with her.

To Questions comments;

1) Yes Puck could be Owen. He said himself that he asked Xanatos weather he wanted immortality or a lifetime of service from Puck. He Choose Puck, so therefore Puck CHOOSE be rigid and serious. But, if he WAS Robin Hood, then we'd have seen him exhibit kindness on the poor of New York in some way.

2) When Oberon commanded, his children listened. But No, they didn't always listen. But as we've seen, you can make the argument that Oberon's Children WERE studdying (SP?) humanity. Certainly Puck and Titania were (He says so himself; Titania tooka human form, married Renard, and had Fox.)

3) I don't think every statement needs backing up.

All that aside, this is a joyus moment.

Later~
Pyro X / Battle Beast
CanadaWednesday, March 12, 2003 08:20:54 PM
IP: 205.206.79.107

why is greg a pedophile
me
Wednesday, March 12, 2003 07:56:33 PM
IP: 216.221.81.98

I found something disturbing... There's a movie development based on a comic called "The Gargoyle"... except that it apparently isn't much like the comic at all, and instead sounds just enough like Gargoyles to make me want to smack someone.

Clicky:
Bud-Clare - [budclare@yahoo.com]
Wednesday, March 12, 2003 07:53:55 PM
IP: 24.169.113.216

Pyro<Puck was too much of a trickster; he liked to play jokes when ever the chance arose. Although he has played the straight man (Halcyon Renard's and David Xanatos' right-hand men), he never gave to the poor or acted as Robin Hood would have. Had he been Robin Hood, some of those traits would have gone with him to other forms he took on. >

Using your argument we would have concluded that Puck couldn't be Owen since Puck never appeared rigid or serious.

<Robin Hood joked around with his merry men; Puck was the kind that liked joyfull "romps"... Puck doesn't seem to be the type that would hang around with "merry men" either. >

So you can figure out just what Puck liked to do based on three episodes especially when the events of Robin Hood were hundreds of years before Gargoyles which could have left Puck a lot of time to change his views.

<Puck, during that time, might or might not have beem Robin Hood. He was though, experimenting, like Oberon wished, to find out more about humans. >

And you think half of Oberon's children listened to him? And it wasn't about learning about humans, but rather learning humility and maturing from the experience.

Enigma<Hi everyone! I think I read (somewhere, FAQ maybe) that said Puck's special someone would be/is human. That only makes sense to me, since as someone already pointed out he can't really go back to Avalon (at present) and most fae are stuck in Avalon. Although it would be neat if she had some secret of her own:).>

Any quotes to back up your argument?
The Question
Wednesday, March 12, 2003 07:14:50 PM
IP: 67.233.23.72

I am sorry about my pseudo post; I don't know what happened.

Robin Hood> I was thinking... Puck couldn't be Robin Hood.

Puck was too much of a trickster; he liked to play jokes when ever the chance arose. Although he has played the straight man (Halcyon Renard's and David Xanatos' right-hand men), he never gave to the poor or acted as Robin Hood would have. Had he been Robin Hood, some of those traits would have gone with him to other forms he took on.

Robin Hood joked around with his merry men; Puck was the kind that liked joyfull "romps"... Puck doesn't seem to be the type that would hang around with "merry men" either.

Puck, during that time, might or might not have beem Robin Hood. He was though, experimenting, like Oberon wished, to find out more about humans.

This leads to another question... who else could he have been? Henry Hudson? Rasputin? Shakespeare?

It's hard to say.

Later~
Pyro X / Battle Beast
Wednesday, March 12, 2003 06:49:32 PM
IP: 205.206.79.107

while not on any specific topic I feel this truly needs to be said, this is something I'm sending into my local paper's editorials page and to several others

One man's opinion

Ladies and Gentlemen, I offer a disclaimer, this is my opinion. It may not reflect your views but it must be said. You may cry for my censorship or execution, label me an enemy of the state or want to kill me but this is only my opinion and I have as much right to it as you have to yours. Before you decry me, think about what it would be like if you were to express your views and I was to try to silence you. You don't have to agree with me, you just have to let me say what I have to say and if you like, you can listen.


We have become that which we most feared, how is it that a country that prides itself on the right of its peoples to have open discourse and debate over the merits of it's leaders now seeks to oppress those who perpetuate the very acts this country was founded upon? We used to think, discuss, debate things, now it's become less of taking one's personal responsibility for one's actions and more of suing, crying and bitching to get our way. We have forgotten our roots, forgotten our children and forgotten our families, we've become more obsessed with watching how Ozzy and Sharon Osbourne raise their kids than how we raise our own. And yet when our children injure themselves imitating something they saw on TV some of us would rather blame the TV instead of the sluggish mass holding the remote, or more often the parent of the sluggish mass holding the remote. Instead of thinking for ourselves we are told how to think and what to like by so called "experts" be they commercial or governmental who all claim to know best what we want. I am not a weirdo, nerd, freak, left wing communist, right wing fascist, or other such colorful epithet. I am merely a man, a man with a brain that still has all it's capacities. A man who in what seems like another day and age was actually encouraged to have independent thought in school. And yes while I may have been in gifted classes I still only manage around a C average in college, but the key is I have not forgotten how to think. I know enough that If there is nothing on TV than why bother watching it? I watched TV as a child but I still ended up well rounded, I have friends, I have a life, I have a brain. I am not asking you to act, to shed all you know and live as an ascetic, but to think. I know you have a brain, why not use it for something other than worrying who the mole is or whether the couple you want to get "married by America" will be happy.


My name is Ben Feld and I have a brain

please direct alll questions, comments and what have you to my email address and if it so moves you, send it to someone else you feel needs to read this
Shogun Raptor - [shogunraptor@yahoo.com]
Wednesday, March 12, 2003 06:31:56 PM
IP: 209.86.184.227

Hi everyone! I think I read (somewhere, FAQ maybe) that said Puck's special someone would be/is human. That only makes sense to me, since as someone already pointed out he can't really go back to Avalon (at present) and most fae are stuck in Avalon. Although it would be neat if she had some secret of her own:)
I also have to agree though with the thought that Puck's had realtionship(s) before. He's been around forever, so it seems highly unlikly he's never had any relationship at all.

Blanquire>> I agree with you on the artwork for the movie. I've always thought it was too "cartoonish" and (Goliath has bad hair) didn't really fit with the artwork in the actual show.
-Enigma:)
Enigma
Wednesday, March 12, 2003 06:07:36 PM
IP: 24.118.156.5

The scary thing I thought about that episode was what if hyena, wolf and the everyone else hadn't changed back to normal and in wolf and hyena's case had to grow up normally. Not a problem, Wolf would probably grow up to be what he is at the moment, but it would be worrying in Hyena's case, her arms shrank with her for some reason, what's gona happen if she grew up, wouldn't her arms and legs stay the same size? She'd have a lot of trouble when she's older I can tell you, thought at her toddler years she could use those extending arms to grab the cookies from the top shelf :P
Silverbolt
Wednesday, March 12, 2003 06:05:44 PM
IP: 81.131.190.177

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Py\
Wednesday, March 12, 2003 05:17:28 PM
IP: 205.206.79.107

I was talking about the part of "Grief" *before* Jackal became Anubis's avatar.

And, aside from the fact that I doubt that Puck was Robin Hood, the fact that Greg's reply to the "Puck's special someone issue" indicated that it was in the future means that it couldn't be anybody from the past (such as Maid Marian).
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Wednesday, March 12, 2003 06:54:17 AM
IP: 65.57.57.235

This has probably been mentioned here before, but this is the first somewhat concrete thing I've seen about the DVD release. This site has The Heroes Awaken being released sometime this year (click my name or cut-and-paste) http://www.animatedbliss.com/DVD/listings.asp?iDetail=Gargoyles:%20The%20Heroes%20Awaken

Anyone have anything else that they've seen listed about the release?

Everytime I see Goliath on this cover, I can't help thinking about the 80's big hair bands.
Blaqthourne & Crimson Fury
Wednesday, March 12, 2003 02:56:59 AM
IP: 65.56.104.42

Or Maid Marian since there was a bit of speculation on Usenet by someone that Puck could have been Robin Hood himself.
The Question
Wednesday, March 12, 2003 01:54:18 AM
IP: 67.233.23.55

Now obviously, that was supposed to be "Xanatos." :p
Leo
Wednesday, March 12, 2003 01:29:02 AM
IP: 68.96.8.12

Puck's love interest? I have a feeling that before he met up with Xanatox, Puck had had a few hundred "love interests" over his long existance. Yep, he's a player. ;-)
Leo
Wednesday, March 12, 2003 01:27:10 AM
IP: 68.96.8.12

Greif> But didn't Jackal get Anubis's power over death? Technically, he could have still killed them.
Jimmy
Tuesday, March 11, 2003 08:49:21 PM
IP: 199.74.80.183

SPACEBABIE - Yes, the Hades of the original Greek myths was much more like Anubis in "Grief" in style (except for that moment of lust when he abducted Persephone). Though the Hades of "Disney's Hercules" was still a fun comic-relief villain.

Speaking of "Grief", how many people besides me have a strong suspicion that when Greg Weisman does his ramble on that episode, a major part of it is going to be about how he realized too late that he should have had the Pack kill Goliath and Co. only to discover that, because Anubis was still imprisoned, they couldn't die?
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Tuesday, March 11, 2003 06:42:13 PM
IP: 65.56.175.231

I think Puck/Owen should be a lone ranger, I never thought of him having a relationship with anyone, I guess if he did, that person would have to have a huge amount of crazy pills to help her calm down when Puck/Owen feels like having some fun (not intended to be sex). But on the ither hand if he was to hook up with another one of Oberons kids I guess she wouldnt mind so much. A good type of girl for Puck/Owen I guess in my mind, would be a mix of all 3 of the werid sisters- to put him in his place when he freaks out, Banshee-for looks , Elisa- cause she has pretty much what 90 % of men like for in a girl. Whatever the mix of all of them would make I think Puck/Owen would be one happy little goof ball. But thats just my opinion :P
Babs
Philly, Pa
Tuesday, March 11, 2003 03:36:04 PM
IP: 68.83.228.122

Todd jensen> I believe Shogun Raptor is referring to Lao Tzu's placement in Taoism as one of its three supreme deities and his appearance as a god in the same tale that featured Son Goku.
The Question
Tuesday, March 11, 2003 01:32:51 PM
IP: 216.170.210.200

Silverbolt> 'Gargbabies' with Demona and Goliath and the others going on misadventures and fooling around and learning lessons about sharing then singing stupid cute songs!

Goliath in diapers, bib, and a bonnet.....shutters.
Old Kathy - [tgatekeeper1@yahoo.com]
Tuesday, March 11, 2003 11:11:45 AM
IP: 198.31.97.254

I had the wrong Robyn last time.

Puck's special someone...I can see her as someone who has a bit of a secret of her own, perhaps a sorceress.

Silverbolt]----Dude don't ever put that image in my head again ever. Disney can be evil sometimes, but not that evil.

Shogun Raptor]---No James Woods type Hades. I didn't really like Disney's version of Hades. Hades is NOT evil. He's dark and brooding, but not evil.
Spacebabie - [LadyAndromeda@smstars.zzn.com]
Orlando, Florida, U.S.A
Tuesday, March 11, 2003 09:56:24 AM
IP: 67.28.70.130

Since Gandalf and Aslan are both creations of modern-day writers, I doubt that either one would have ever been able to appear in "Gargoyles", due to copyright issues.

(And I always viewed Lao-Tze and Diogenes as 100% human, for that matter.)

I think that Puck's "special someone" will be a human, given that he's now banished from Avalon as Owen while the rest of the Third Race are on Avalon for the Gathering - most likely a human who hasn't shown up in the series as yet and whom he'd be interacting with almost exclusively as Owen.

SILVERBOLT - I doubt that Disney would dare go the "Gargoyles Babies" route; all the "Gargoyles" fans would immediately turn on them for it (which would defeat the purpose of bringing "Gargoyles" back at all). Of course, it's much worse than my own little creativity demon of a sequel series which begins with every last gargoyle on Earth being wiped out by the Quarrymen and needing to be replaced by humans in gargoyle armor who take over the Manhattan clan's crime-fighting activities.... :)
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Tuesday, March 11, 2003 07:54:41 AM
IP: 63.208.47.239

Todd> <<Just out of curiosity, was that "cute fluffy werewolf pups" line inspired by what happened to Wolf in "Grief", or did it originate from somewhere else?>> I just like werewolf puppies cuz they're oh so cute and cuddly, though come to think about it Wolf was kinda cute but I don't think I'd put my fingers near his mouth ;)

I hate to say this but I'm very much beginning to doubt gargoyles ever getting a new series and besides, knowing what Disney does these days it would probably be something like 'Gargbabies' with Demona and Goliath and the others going on misadventures and fooling around and learning lessons about sharing then singing stupid cute songs!
Silverbolt
Tuesday, March 11, 2003 06:03:26 AM
IP: 212.50.183.100

Puck's Love Interest>Perhaps one of Titania's handmaidens since Weisman seems to have a thing for Shakespeare.
Question
Tuesday, March 11, 2003 12:38:50 AM
IP: 67.233.23.20

Ten or so characters from literature, antiquity and mythology I'd love to see end up being members of the third race
1. Son Goku the monkey king, Cho Hakki the pig fairy and Sha Gojyo the water demon (Journey to the west)
2.Gandalf
3.the cheshire cat
4.Quezalcoatl, mayan god of the sun, wind, and agriculture
5.Hades (James Woods voice optional)
6.Lao Tsu
7.Aslan(Chronicles of Narnia)
8.Morrigan (the Celtic one, not the darkstalkers character)
9.Loki
10. Diogenes
Shogun Raptor
Monday, March 10, 2003 10:22:51 PM
IP: 209.86.191.22

Most likely it'll be a brand-new character whom we haven't even met yet in the series. (The big question, of course, is whether she shows up in the present day or in 2198).
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Monday, March 10, 2003 10:04:19 PM
IP: 63.208.60.27

In an effort to get this place going:

Who do you think Puck's special someone is going to be?
Jimmy
Monday, March 10, 2003 09:46:43 PM
IP: 199.74.80.183

Taleweaver:

"He cuts down trees,
he wears big boots,
he goes to the lave-try.

On wednesdays he goes shoppin',
ond has buttered scones for tea."
Leo
Monday, March 10, 2003 12:19:34 PM
IP: 68.96.8.12

10!
Leo
Monday, March 10, 2003 12:15:32 PM
IP: 68.96.8.12

*** Taleweaver enters dressed in plaid flannel shirt and overalls ***

Doing fine at #9, singing I'm a Lumberjack and I'm OK/ I sleep all night and work all day.
Taleweaver - [~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~]
Monday, March 10, 2003 12:13:28 PM
IP: 24.205.111.192

8th!!!
rlara
Austin, TX
Monday, March 10, 2003 11:27:09 AM
IP: 134.125.64.74

Lucky number Seven!

Spring Break is right around the corner.
Spacebabie - [LadyAndromeda@smstars.zzn.com]
Monday, March 10, 2003 11:16:24 AM
IP: 209.244.145.184

Wow. Sixth. Highest I've been in a LONG time!!!

Later~
Pyro X / Battle beast
CanadaMonday, March 10, 2003 09:58:58 AM
IP: 199.185.68.2

Fifth.

SILVERBOLT - Just out of curiosity, was that "cute fluffy werewolf pups" line inspired by what happened to Wolf in "Grief", or did it originate from somewhere else?
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Monday, March 10, 2003 08:58:16 AM
IP: 63.208.40.39

Fourth in the name of cute fluffy werewolf pups everywhere!
Silverbolt
Monday, March 10, 2003 07:39:50 AM
IP: 212.50.183.100

third!!!!
matt
Monday, March 10, 2003 07:26:29 AM
IP: 207.230.48.27

Second :)
Gabriel "gaygoyle"
Monday, March 10, 2003 12:34:57 AM
IP: 66.169.209.155

****Blaise's head pops out of mid-air and looks around.****

Guess I'm first this week. Competition doesn't seem too fierce right now, though.

****Blaise's shoulders come into view briefly as he shrugs. He then withdraws his head back into nothingness.****
Blaise
Monday, March 10, 2003 12:18:56 AM
IP: 216.244.24.251