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well, like i said,my favorite is the Praying Gargoyle cuz i always found it cool that the Gargoyle race would have their own talisman. its also neat that it has so many things in common with the Gargoyles. it protects, it heals itself, and it has Atlantean origins.
i wonder what will happen to the pieces of it that Goliath destroyed in Hunters Moon. technically it is still on holy ground and even if the church is demolished it should eventually heal itself in the ruins, though i wonder if Demona will come back to St Damions for it... whatever happens, when a Gargoyle series comes back on the air, i hope the Praying Gargoyle gets more air-time!

Sunday, April 20, 2003 01:49:25 PM

that should have said: You didn't tell us yours and say 'why'.
Sunday, April 20, 2003 11:10:38 AM

matt:"did i forget anything?"

You didn't say 'why'. :p

Sunday, April 20, 2003 11:08:11 AM

Praying Gargoyle> my personal favorite of the Gargoyles talismans. i don't know if you CAN break the Atlantean Crystal, who knows?

open to all question: whats your favorite Gargoyles magic talisman and why?

Phoinex Gate
Eye of Odin
Praying Gargoyle
Medici Tablet
Cauldron of Life
Spear of Light
Scrolls of Merlin
Titania's/Oberon's Mirror
Puck's Flute (does this count?)
Hakon's Axe
Scroll's of Thoth
Stone of Destiny
Mayan Amulet/Pendants

did i forget anything? there were a couple things i thought of that are questionable, like Una's spellbook and Natsilane's armor and weapon. anyway, kinda neat to see them listed out like that anyway...

Sunday, April 20, 2003 02:20:34 AM

And I'd like to thank the Academy... Nevermind. I need sleep.
Bud-Clare - [budclare@yahoo.com]
Sunday, April 20, 2003 02:10:05 AM

Well, I'd like to say a great big "Thank you" to Greg Weisman for the number of questions he has answered recently.
Sunday, April 20, 2003 01:44:52 AM

*hums a song*

Okay, everybody... Which song do I have stuck in my head right now?

(At least I'm _trying_ to start a conversation...)

(Okay, I'm just really bored, and possibly insane. But I'm _bored_. Which I already said. I'll just go now.)

Bud-Clare - [budclare@yahoo.com]
Sunday, April 20, 2003 01:06:09 AM

Dead Room

red room

Saturday, April 19, 2003 11:32:49 PM

Apparently my recollection of King Arthur was horrible since I completely butchered the legend. Sorry about that. Guess I thought that scabbard was more powerful than it really was.
Troy, NY, USA
Friday, April 18, 2003 08:35:54 PM

What happens if you smash the crystal?
Friday, April 18, 2003 01:43:43 PM

<I would think it would be nearly impossible to destroy an artifact (though the praying gargoyle would shoot that theory down)>

Not necessarily. I believe Greg said something about the Praying Gargoyle having a piece of Atlantean crystal inside. The gargoyle could reassemble itself over time if left on holy ground. (This is in relation to his Team Atlantis script. Those of you who were at the last Gathering could probably confirm this?)

Phil - [p1anderson@go.com]
Friday, April 18, 2003 11:30:33 AM

First, a few corrections about Excalibur's scabbard.

The scabbard protected its bearer from losing any blood (though no mention is made of it being a defense against any other form of injury). Morgan le Fay stole it from Arthur while he was asleep (no mention made here of her impersonating Guinevere, an event which never occurs in the original legend) and threw it into a lake, rather than into a canyon. Greg mentioned once a bit of magic in Excalibur's scabbard, but that's all that he's said about it, and the episode "Pendragon" didn't even give the sword a scabbard.

As for Thor, Greg mentioned that he was most likely dead in the present-day of the Gargoyles Universe (largely because he's been used so often that Greg Weisman couldn't think of a slant on him that was uniquely "Gargoyles"). Admittedly, I've sometimes wondered how the gargoyles would respond to Thor. On the one hand, Thor was a protector-figure like them; on the other hand, the fact that his favorite weapon was a hammer ought to have given them pause.

Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Friday, April 18, 2003 07:16:33 AM


I know there was suppose to be a Gargoyles game for the genesis and snes. The Genesis version came first. For some reason or another, the snes version was cancelled (poor genesis sales, wasn't marketed well, who knows, etc.) At least from what I played, the genesis game had a really steep challenge (jumping/flapping from flagpole/bar to the next flagpole/bar while getting shot at by flying machines was incrediblely hard, especially when you screw up and end up at the bottom of the level or fall in the bottomless pit). I personally think the graphics weren't too bad, the animation itself was quite good (and fluid!) but Goliath may have been unresponsive at time for fighting (don't fight more than one enemy if it takes more than one slash you'll get mauled, and even then you may still get mauled since some hits Goliath receives may knock him back by almost half a screen and potentially off a platform and into the bottomless pit) and jumping quickly. Otherwise, I thought it was an above-average hard game (I'm a sucker for hard games, must be my old days with the nes).

Hmmn... went on a tangent on that one.

Alright, a question that has been bugging me is if excalibur's sheath/scabbard exists in the King Arthur stories and in the Gargoyles universe? I think it prevented the bearer of it from all injuries (though who knows if the bearer get hit with a bomb or a viral disease) and got chucked into a canyon by Morganna when she stole it by impersonating Guinivere (apologizing in advanced for spelling errors). If the scabbard does exist, then why does Arthur seem to have little to no priority to finding it, much less acknowledge that it exists? I would think having an artifact that prevents all forms of death except old age would be pretty important to get (unless Greg Weisman believes the sheath is too powerful and has it fade into obscurity). If excalibur's scabbard does exist in the Gargoyles universe, then what about other weapons/items/artifacts of magic and power? I don't know if Greg Weisman plans on using Thor but what about his hammer, Mjolnir. I would think it would be nearly impossible to destroy an artifact (though the praying gargoyle would shoot that theory down) so the hammer must exist, along with all the other artifacts from all the literary works.

Since I can't ask Greg, maybe I can get some thought from here.

I hope there isn't a length on posting. I probably went over the limit. Oh well, tomorrow might be interesting.

Now that I think of it, doesn't Mjolnir and the Quarrymen's hammers seem similar (hammers, electricity)? Just curious.

Now I'm going to bed, good night.

Troy, NY, USA
Friday, April 18, 2003 12:42:01 AM

this is such a cool comment room. Is there a way I can add something very similar, without stealing, to my website to keep in touch with my family while I'm overseas?
Your friendly neighborhood sailor - [ensigndanbrown@yahoo.co.uk]
Thursday, April 17, 2003 11:51:14 PM

Yeah, I'd rather see it for PS2 or GC as well, but, since Keith David always puts those "there's no power greater than X" tag lines on the end of every X-Box commercial, I'd like to see a version go to XBOX too. :D

I, too, have a PS2 and GC. Also got the new GBA SP. Mighty cool little gadjet there.

Nickerous - [nickerous@yahoo.com]
South Carolina, USA
Thursday, April 17, 2003 10:20:17 PM

Gamecube or PS2 seem like more plausible systems for a Disney videogame, simply since most of the target audience would have one of those 2. (Like me.)
Thursday, April 17, 2003 10:17:03 PM

Wow. You guys got lots of Gargoyles stuff. Actually, the biggest things I want to find are the comic books and the large applause figures. There is a nice cel of Goliath from Temptation on ebay right now. seller wants $400 for it tho. <:(

I know that there was a Sega Genesis game based on the Gargoyles, but I thought there was one for the Super Nintendo as well. I've not seen one, yet. I would like to get that one too. Anybody know about this game? It'd be really cool to see an x-box game about Gargoyles. i can just hear Keith David saying, "for intense, defender of the night action, there is no power greater than X". Too cool. :D

Nickerous - [nickerous@yahoo.com]
South Carolina, USA
Thursday, April 17, 2003 10:04:53 PM

I don't know too much about screening for clarity. Greg might enterpret our questions in different ways and reveal something we weren't even asking for. Clarity is really a very relativie term, we should leave that to Greg's discresion.
Thursday, April 17, 2003 05:51:52 PM

Todd - <One thing that I found a pity, though, was that he got an interesting question about King Arthur's legacy (both from his original reign and his "future reign" where he establishes New Camelot in Antarctica) in the Gargoyles Universe> I was hoping you'd notice that question. <Hopefully DPH will resubmit that question when the queue reopens, this time phrased much more clearly.> Well, I wasn't sure how to phrase that question. Yes, I put those questions on my list of questions to ask when the queue reopens. I just hope I don't break any limits on the max amount of questions allowed to submit at once when the queue reopens - 36 total with the possibility of dropping a few from my list.

I am firmly in favor of a committee screening the questions before hand and giving people the chance to edit their own question for clarity after it has been submitted.

Thursday, April 17, 2003 05:03:40 PM

Well I must admit that I was surprised to see ne of my "Thank you's" answered in "Ask Greg". I forgot that I even submitted that one. I am going to watch 3x3 Eyes again (I'ts been a while.) That one "Hit me like a brick" to coin a phrase.

And I forgot to mention when posting my garg collectiopn that I too have a garg hangy thing. It is Brooklyn, and is in great shpe aside from the fact that it won't stick. :(


Battle Beast
Thursday, April 17, 2003 10:12:42 AM

Gargs stuff: I have a few doo-dads, but my most cherished items are two cels and a script. The first cel is from "Awakening," Part Two (I believe), and depicts Goliath sweeping Elisa off her feet, as it were -- he's picking her up for the first time, before she takes him on a tour of Manhattan. The look on her face is delightfully startled, the look on his face is delightfully...delightful. He's evidently pleased to be holding her, even that early on. The only drawback with this cel is that no original pencil sketches came with it. Pity.

The other cel is also from "Awakening," from Part One. It's of Goliath in one of the corridors of Castle Wyvern just after Katherine has thrown him and Demona out of the dining room. He's turning toward the camera, and the camera angle is from slightly below, to emphasize his size. His hand is bandaged, and he looks like a prize fighter ready to belt someone. I had him matted in brown and framed in dark brown wood that exactly matches the interior wood trim of our house. He fits so well in the hallway that it seems like the house was built around him. The pencil sketch is a marvel, executed with simple, sweeping lines and very subtly shaded in several colors. This subtle shading made the choice of mat color a little more difficult. I ended up going with a pale aquamarine mat, and a plain silver frame.

The script is from Hunter's Moon, Part Two. Anyone who has read any original scripts, e.g. the ones posted elsewhere on this site, knows that one of their most interesting attributes is how they vary slightly from the finished episodes. A prime example in this case is Jason and Elisa's kiss. In the script, it's quite steamy (within the bounds of a G rating, of course), more of a clinch than we saw. Small wonder Goliath is cued to look as though he's been "hit by a brick," as the script says!

Thursday, April 17, 2003 09:02:18 AM

Well, Greg answered four questions last night - he's really picking up speed.

One thing that I found a pity, though, was that he got an interesting question about King Arthur's legacy (both from his original reign and his "future reign" where he establishes New Camelot in Antarctica) in the Gargoyles Universe and, because of the way that it was phrased, didn't quite understand it. Hopefully DPH will resubmit that question when the queue reopens, this time phrased much more clearly.

Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Thursday, April 17, 2003 07:21:49 AM

Kiva> *L* You have everyone beat with the slightly used animator! ;)

Btw, if that is your website! It is sooooooooo cool! :D

Pst updated MGC everyone! Congrats to everyone who entered! It was a hard topic and personally you're all winners in my book! :D

We're still accepting entries to the Gargoyles in NYC topic. All entries submitted to the gathering calendar contest! :D (Psst..if anyone is in DESPERATE need of ideas, email me at ekkapinto@yahoo.com with the subject idea help!) trust me. I've got tooo many ideas and there is NO way I'll be able to draw all of them in time! O.o;;

Siryn - [<-- MGC updated! Congrats to everyone who entered!]
Wednesday, April 16, 2003 01:34:23 PM

tired room?

I guess I might as well add that my own gargoyle dangly, a Brooklyn, and what has happened to it...not only has he lost a leg below the knee, but some of the surface paint has come off in places, and as the plastic underneath is one solid color, it kinda looks like, um, his loincloth is too short for him. Some people at G'02 saw it...they convinced me to show it to Greg Weisman. heh.

*back to class*

Wednesday, April 16, 2003 11:59:39 AM

I got a small lot of stuff at auction last Gatherings- including glow-in-the-dark Gargie sheets! perfect for college. But the thermos on the lunchbox set did not have evil ninjas on it, sadly, and I have yet to rectify that.

*passes out*

Wednesday, April 16, 2003 03:48:34 AM

I used to have a Lexington dangler in my car, just under my rearview mirror. Then one fine south Texas summer day I forgot to crack the windows while I went to work. It got up to 110 degrees outside, and when I came back eight hours later poor Lex's back was covered with heat bubbles and his left wing and arm were a melted mass...
Tuesday, April 15, 2003 10:36:56 PM

Merhcandise > my collection is embarrassingly huge ... it's unbelievable. I used to have an up-to-date list but it's several years old by this point.

Patrick > so, we had Keith on CSI and Salli on CSI:Miami? LOL. Wonder who'll be next.

Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
Tuesday, April 15, 2003 08:48:19 PM

Merchandise,...Used to have some comic books until that was cancelled, and then lost them when my family moved a few years ago. Other than that, that's it. Unless memories of the show count:)
Troy, NY, USA
Tuesday, April 15, 2003 07:57:30 PM

Re Gargoyles merchandise: I'll confess that I have barely any. I used to have a small Gargoyles book for young readers - actually, part of a stamp kit where you would impress images of the characters with the stamps on the pages - but it was definitely very "watered down" - as in, the gargoyles defeat Xanatos in a battle at the zoo and stick him in a cage. I certainly can't imagine Xanatos ever undergoing such a humiliating experience in the animated series. (The Pack or Tony Dracon, maybe, but certainly not Xanatos). I wound up donating it to the auction at the Gathering 2001; haven't missed it, either.

I do have three gargoyle "promotion cards" from Disney that I was sent in 1997, in response to a letter that I wrote them in favor of "Gargoyles" after I found out that the series was being cancelled. And I also have a copy of the script for "Pendragon" that Greg Weisman sent me for correctly guessing the eight Arthurian survivors in that contest a few years ago. And that's about it.

Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Tuesday, April 15, 2003 06:42:33 PM

Todd]---"A lot of people are so busy with work or with school that they don't have the time to come here and post."

Well not too busy…not yet for me anyways. I have to do a revision on one of my fiction pieces, that's about it.

"It being six years since "Gargoyles" went off the air, it may be fading into a pleasant nostalgia rather than anything current in our hearts."

Not exactly fading. I feel its waxing with some and waning with others. I've watched the series when it first aired, but I didn't discover the possibility of the fandom until late 1998. I stumbled upon TGS back in 1999 and began posting in that cr. I went to gathering in 2000, but I wasn't into the fathom back then as I was now. I didn't really get into the fathom until 2001 after I started taking Celexa and went into therapy. ((I have social anxiety disorder))
It's waxing and waning. There are some people who are recently discovering the show on Toon Disney.

Least favorite character. That's a no brainer for me. Margot Yale. I can't stand that woman.

TGC>>>You are all going to hate me but in fall of 1996 my local ABC didn't air TGC.(look at my addy and you can see the irony) They didn't air any cartoons at all. They decided to go like NBC and air News programs. So I missed out. Yeah I'm feeling the survivor guilt. When the aired some of the episodes on Disney I did check them out. The first one I saw was "The Journey" and I thought…hey this isn't so bad. I caught a few more episodes. "Oh now I see" some had great potential… like "Justice for All" that could have been done some much better. I have a creativity demon burning the back of my head of doing a rewrite/crossover but replacing Amy with Matt Murdock.

Gargoyles merchandice>>>Not enough! I'm only getting them via gatherings. I did buy an actually gargoyle once. It was no bigger than a chess piece. It was at the Ren fair in Sarasota and the Senior Highschool classes went there on a field trip. My senior year was the also the same year as the first season. I just had to buy it.

Spacebabie - [LadyAndromeda@smstars.zzn.com]
Orlando, Florida, U.S.A
Tuesday, April 15, 2003 10:43:23 AM


MERCH> 1) A wrecked cared Brooklyn
2) Appluase Brooklyn
3) " " Demona
4) Stone Cameo Goliath (stone skin)
5) Regular Bronx
6) "Wingless" (and tailess) Hudson

7) A Goliath BIRTHDAY CAKE Candle
8) A Gargoyle cake pan mold

9) An ICE STORM Brooklyn that I painted "Brooklyn" brown (red?) with "funny neck" Brooklyn's wings.
10) Several of the comics #2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 11
11) 3 DISNEY ADVENTURES W/Gargoyles comics, including one with Goliath on the cover (Xanatos describing the Gargoyles, and the FELTY ROSE Story)
12) 2 GARGOYLES novels based on the episodes "AWAKENING 1-5" and "Long way till morning" with "eight pages of color photos!"
13) Four videos: The Force of Goliath; The Hunted; Brothers Betrayed and Deeds of Deception.
14) Several of the SKY BOX gargoyles cards (About 40)
15) A GARGOYLES poster where all six gargs are flying off the Eyre (SP?) building.
16) a Garoyles button
17) A plastic Garoyles mug of a mug of Brooklyn
18) The Sega video game
19) A Brooklyn plush toy
20) A Gargoyles Pencil box

That's all.


Battle Beast
Tuesday, April 15, 2003 10:22:33 AM

Gargoyles stuff> Let's see, I have the videos, all of the "Hard Wire" toys (is that what they're called?), a gargoyles rubix cube, two of the original posters framed, one of the original group posters autographed by the cast depicted in the painting along with the writers' signatures and Greg's signature, a cell from "Awakenings", danglers, a deck of cards, and I think that's it.

Fav. character> Goliath. Period. I was so happy to see almost an entire season dedicated mostly to him! lol ^_^. Though I hated his character in TGC because of how sappy they made him.

Least fav.> The pack really annoy me for whatever reason. Especially Heyena and wolf. I don't have a problem with fox; Jackal's twisted so he can stay lol; and I can respect Dingo since he has a sense of humanity, seeing as how he didn't alter himself to be more powerful.
Tuesday, April 15, 2003 10:08:06 AM

i have way too much Gargoyles stuff to list here...

Wingless> which comic do you need? i have all 11 of them and several extras. maybe i have the one you are missing???

Favorite character> probably Coldstone. i think hes just a perfect character despite what others in here have said. he so honestly reflects the conflict of good and evil in all of us.

Least favorite> well, i always found Dracon to be as @$$hole. i mean just that one line in "Deadly Force" when he was talking to his dudes about Elisa getting shot and said jokingly, "you shouldn't leave guns laying around" thats just cruel. that guys got problems...

Tuesday, April 15, 2003 09:09:55 AM

So does anybody know what happened to Station 8 this morning? It was down until a little while ago.
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Tuesday, April 15, 2003 07:45:33 AM

Voice Cast Sighting...

Last night, I just realized who the actress is who's been playing Det. Laura Caine, sister-in-law to Horatio Caine (David Curuso) on CBS's "CSI: Miami." It's Salli Richardson... sporting a long mane of wavy dark hair and hiding her recognizable voice behind a Spanish accent. Which is what kept me from realizing it was her for this long, as the last time I watched her on "Family Law" she had her hair cropped really short.

So anyone who's a fan of Salli but can do without the Tony Danza... keep your eyes on "CSI: Miami." She's not a cast regular, but she's been in four or five episodes so far. It normally airs on Mondays at 10 PM Eastern.

Patrick Toman
Tuesday, April 15, 2003 07:05:10 AM

Let's see, inventory...

From the Kenner series, I have: Mighty Roar Goliath (you could turn him into Thailog if you color his hair white!), Flame Storm Goliath, Power Wing Goliath (I've got two), Rainstorm Hudson, Icestorm Brooklyn, Elisa Maza (she lost the mosquito armor, though), Demona, all the Hard-Wired figures, Stone Armor Goliath, Lion Bronx...

I have the Rippin' Rider Cycle, the Nightstriker Vehicle (is that what it's called?), the Castle...

Miscellaneous: Ultimate Goliath, the Gargoyles kite, Burger King toy that makes sparks, the Milton Bradley game, a notepad with Goliath on it, the booklet with all the merchandise, four danglers...

Skybox: Series I and II and the box in which they all came (BEAUTIFUL artwork). Plus a LOT of extras.

Applause: Goliath, the large figure.

Books: Sticker Album with all 180 stickers (in Spanish), the sticker album poster with all the stickers, the coloring book, three comic books, a book about The Edge, little booklet with stickers, three books where you discover drawings by darkening certain areas with a pencil (I have no clue what they're called) and a book called "While the City Sleeps" where the drawings pop right to life.

Episodes: All of them. I have them all in Spanish and uncut. I have them all in English both uncut and cut. I have the original airings of season two and three in English (you should see all the mistakes that didn't get corrected before the first airing). I have the USA Network's episodes up to the episode that comes before Cloud Fathers (That stupid station stopped airing the show before I could tape the whole thing) and I have the Toon Disney Gargoyles Halloween Marathon on tape. I also have most of Toon Disney's Gargoyles commercials on tape. The only problem is the quality...

I don't have the Gargoyles movie, nor the game that comes with it. Poor me.

Damn, I think that's a lot of stuff.

Hope I didn't forget anything.

Wingless: I LOVE THAT GOLIATH TOWEL YOU HAVE ON YOUR WALL! [LOL] Damn, it's gorgeous!!

Demona Taina - [demona3@hotmail.com]
Ponce, Puerto Rico
Tuesday, April 15, 2003 02:37:37 AM

Blaise's poll>
Most favorite: Goliath all the way. With the stone dragon in 'Pendragon' my favorite bit character. I'm a dragon fan what can I say and the dragon was charbroiling much gargoyle tail before Arthur figured things out. Goliath, I like a guy who reads and his acclimation to the 20th cent. and his romance with Elisa were subtly done. OK, Goliath's acclimation wasn't that subtle, but without him sounding out new phrases and absorbing new concepts, you'd forget that the clan was from the 10th cent. Actually there is one more entry on that score. I'd nominate the Magus. His character went through the most change. I also like that tragedy of Avalon. For a moment of grief, he spent a lifetime trying to make amends. And it eventually cost him his chance at love and his life. He's one for the books.

Least favorite: Hmmm. that's a thinker. I'd have to go with Coldstone. You know he's Goliath's brother because he's so easily fooled. I could sort of forgive him for trusting Iago/Coldsteel, but I didn't like that he didn't trust his love. With Goliath, it took Demona openly confessing her deeds for him to see her in anything other than a loving light. Coldsteel didn't have that.

Taleweaver - [~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~]
Tuesday, April 15, 2003 02:03:25 AM

Wow... it's been a while since I visited here. But too tempting to post. HEYA EVERYONE! ^_^

FAVORITE CHARACTER: Elisa and Goliath. I have to put these to into one because they're really such a team. I'd also put Demona in there, too, but I'll have to go with the "heroic" pair instead. Honestly, Elisa is why I liked Gargoyles so much. She's spunky, she's strong-willed, and she's one of those ladies who won't let the guys push her around. What can I say, I just loved that about her!

And Goliath. Goliath just = YUM! ;) The voice. The body. The tail! Hehe, I have a tail fetish. I wannt go up and pull his tail now. (Um... don't ask... I've been obsessing over Zidane for a while now...) But he, too, also has this strong, noble spirit in him. And he's just so... well, if he were watching over me, let's just say there would be very little I would be afraid of. ;)

LEAST FAVORITE CHARACTER: Urgh. Hard one. But this time, I'll have to go with... the Archmage, perhaps? I dunno, he was just so... so.... well, I didn't like him. Maybe I'll expand on my thoughts if I can ever organize them into something coherent. :D

GARGOYLES MERCHANDISE: Oh my... I haven't inventoried my Gargs stuff in a while. I used to have a bit, but I left a lot of it back with my parents after I moved to Honolulu.

The Gargoyles action figures (all the main characters, COldstone, and a Griffin Goliath)
The Applause Goliath (which I absolutely ADORE!!!)
The Applause figurine set (Heehee...)
The four first-season videos and the Heros Awaken video
Xanatos' car thingie

...and one Gargoyles animator. Slightly used, but always in excellent condition! :D

Dang, I've missed some of you here. :) Should visit more often.

Honolulu, HI
Tuesday, April 15, 2003 01:56:07 AM

Watching TGC was a painfull experience for me. I missed the original viewing of TGC for the most part and the ones I did see . . turned me off. "Broadway goes to Hollywood" was originally one of the least offensive stories until I looked back and realized all were equally offensive. The copies I have of TGC are going to collect dust. I had learned the truth about TGC before I watched all of the episodes.

My least favorite character is Grouch's father. The man is a complete coward.

Silverbolt - Hehe.

Tuesday, April 15, 2003 01:31:21 AM

Nickerous: Gargoyles merchandise. Lets see.

All the kenner figures-and the 3 vehicles and castle
4 danglers
3 mugs
3 backpacks-one with a sleeping bag and one with a wallet and belt pouch
Toothbursh set
2 straws,
2 cups,
both sets of cards
2 towels, 2 washcloths
3 different baseball caps
the applause figures-both large & small
Bronx Clock
Goliath talking bank
All but one of the comics
door mat
metal lunch tray
plate & bowl
playing cards
board game
puzzles-large & small
4 custom figures- a fox, future tense brooklyn, Titania & A Whitbourne(who?) ^_^
several different books

I'm sure im forgetting something...but anyway, thats the majority of the stuff. Check the link-thats an old pic of my garg shrine.

Wingless - [canclan@rogers.com]
Monday, April 14, 2003 10:45:52 PM

Howdy folks.

My fav character? Hmm.....I'd say Broadway. I can name quite a few reasons why he's my favorite, but, the biggest reason, is his speech about books in "Lighthouse in the Sea of Time". I love to read, and love it when kids get excited about reading.

My least favorite character? I'd say the Xanatos goon squad. Hired muscle. No traits, no emotion, nothing. As the Archmage would say, "they are not allies, they are cannon fodder".

I've never seen most of the Goliath Chronicles. I did catch The Journey when it aired. Remember a couple scenes from Broadway goes to Hollywood. That's about it. I did see some of the episode where the clones are degenerating. Saw nothing in those episodes that made me want to tune in. <:\

I got a question for you guys. Do you, or have you bought Gargoyles merchandise? I had a couple of the figures, but think they ended up in the trash. I found a binder at a discount store a few years ago. I keep meaning to print out the Gargoyles Saga and put them in there, but haven't done it yet. I would love to get a hold of the comics, but can't find them. Ebay has them every now and then. Speaking of eBay, I saw a set of Gargoyles episodes on DVD go for $60 last week. That sounds really great, but the guy had 13-15 episodes on 1 dvd. I think I am getting the same or maybe even better quality by making the single-episode SVCDs. I may put up some of my discs on there when I finish. Maybe.....

Anyway. Till next time! ^_^

Nickerous - [nickerous@yahoo.com]
South Carolina, USA
Monday, April 14, 2003 10:03:07 PM

DEMONA TAINA - The "first Canmore" that you're thinking of is Duncan, and I agree with your assessment of him; he did indeed strike me as a coward. His basis for striking out at Macbeth, his father, and Demona's clan was that they *might* move against him, as you pointed out - while in fact Macbeth and his father were willing to let Duncan inherit the throne and had no intention of moving against him. The thing that made it really bad was that Macbeth saved Duncan's life while they were walking on the mountain ledge, and yet only shortly afterwards, Duncan turns against Macbeth again, merely because three old crones said that Macbeth would someday become King of Scotland.

Actually, cowardice does seem to have been a family trait. Canmore displayed it when he stabbed Macbeth in the back rather than slaying him in fair fight. John Canmore/Castaway displayed it when he constantly backed down from defending the gargoyles in his arguments with Jason, framing the clan for the destruction of the clock tower after learning the truth about them, and choosing to blame the gargoyles rather than himself for Jason getting shot. (Not to mention Goliath's remark in "The Journey" about his hiding his face behind a mask as the leader of the Quarrymen....)

Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Monday, April 14, 2003 08:49:31 PM

*** GATHERING 2003 POST ***

There is still plenty of time to register for The Seventh Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles.

Greg Weisman (Series Creator & Supervising Producer), Thom Adcox Hernandez (Voice of Lexington), and Greg Guler (Lead Character Designer) will be attending the con.

For those of you who've never been to a Gathering before, it's a great place to meet and get acquanted, as those who've attended can well attest to.

As mentioned before, there will be panels discussing various expects of the series, its fandom, and the animation industry. A Dealer's Room, a video room playing episodes of "Gargoyles", anime, a late night showing of "The Rocky Horror Picture Show", an auction, and the annual banquet.

There is still time to enter the Calendar and t-shirt contests. This month, the Monthly Gargoyles Contest has been nice enough to contribute by making this month's contest "Gargoyles" in New York themed as our Calendar contest is. You can visit their page at...


And we are always eager to have you all participate, if you have any panel ideas you'd like to contribute or even sit on, let us know.


So if you haven't registered yet, please do so. This is one weekend none of you will want to miss.


Greg Bishansky
Monday, April 14, 2003 08:21:29 PM

Blaise: I saw your post, and I figured I'd give it a shot!

1. My favorite character is Goliath. He is just everything that I look for in a person. He is highly intelligent, thoughtful, romantic, honorable, physically and emotionally strong, and of course, drop-dead gorgeous. But he is not perfect, unlike many "superheroes," and that's what makes him even more interesting. He has flaws like that horrible temper of his. He can be too trusting at times, reluctant to accept that things have to change, and he can be naive. But still, I love his character because he tries to be fair, just, honorable, and loyal to his clan and his friends. He is also in touch with his sensitive side, and he enjoys reading a good book by moonlight.

It's amazing how being imperfect makes him such a perfect character...

2. My least favorite character. Before I tell you, I have to ask this: don't we dislike a character because of who he/she is or what he/she does? Do we dislike the actual character, its personality, its flaws, or the fact that it exists? For example, we might dislike Sevarius because of the things he has done (like creating the mutates, creating Thailog, etc.) but not because he may be a boring, pointless character who is just taking up space in the show. Gargoyles doesn't have boring, one-dimensional characters, and that's why we dislike the character's personality instead of the character himself, and that means that the writers did a good job.

Now, my least favorite character. I guess that would be the first Canmore (whose name escapes me). Why? Because he was a coward. He betrayed Macbeth because he feared that he may take over his throne, and he slaughtered those gargoyles in their sleep because they "might have" come for him. What a spineless coward...

3. The Goliath Chronicles. I had known that Greg Weisman didn't write the episodes (except for The Journey) long before I even saw them. You see, I live in Puerto Rico, and The Goliath Chronicles never aired here. I didn't have cable either. I finally got to see them when a friend of mine was kind enough to make me copies of the episodes and sent them through snail mail. When I saw them, my fears were confirmed. Many things were missing. Like magic, and I don't mean sorcery or Fey magic. When I say magic, I'm talking about that certain something that made the show special, that set it apart from every other series out there. I don't know what that special something is, but TGC didn't have it (except The Journey). There was racism, there was terrible animation and equally terrible plots.

It was just... empty, lifeless.

And thus concludes the longest post I've ever made for the comment room! :P I hope that I at least got you thinking about the show and how special it is.

Talk to ya guys later!

Demona Taina - [demona3@hotmail.com]
Ponce, Puerto Rico
Monday, April 14, 2003 07:57:44 PM

Blaise>> As for your questions I'll have to answer as follows:
1) My favorite character, well I like them all, but I've always really like Elisa since she's a very strong female character who can hold her own against anyone else.

2) My least favorite character...hmm...that's tougher. I don't truly hate anyone perse and wish they didn't exist. However, I don't like Dr. Sevarious in terms of what is does, but he is interesting. And, I must admit, I've never really liked Derek Maza (like before he became Talon). I don't know why, but he's always seemed kind of annoying and, well stupid (doesn't listen to anyone). I guess Oberon is also kind of like that, really stubborn and almost ignorant.
3) Well, being the totally unobservant person I am, I had pretty much no clue as to the production change in TGC. (Of course I didn't get to see very many of the TGC episodes.) It wasn't till I got online that I found out about the production change in TGC and that most people don't think very highly of it.
Ok...that's all.

Monday, April 14, 2003 04:32:41 PM


SIMPSONS DID IT!!!!!!! ;-)

Dumb Fan/Stan = Homer

Monday, April 14, 2003 02:19:46 PM

Dang missed the top ten >:(

Okay, I was thinking about if Greg answered one of the big questions and was watching an old episode of South Park and I came up with this.

*Greg floats in mid air* Lo' my children I shall answer one question that has been bugging all of you since the show came out, ask it and I shall answer.

*Everyone looks at each other*

Fan#1: Okay guys let's think very carefully about this and...

Dumb fan: Mr. Weisman, what comes out of a gargoyle?

Greg: Depends on what you mean by 'what comes out'. I hope that was enlightening now I must go. *disappears.*

Dumb fan: Aw, what a jip.

*all other fans stare at him in disbelief before advancing with sharp knives*


*Note the dumb fan was later found dead with his question cut into his belly... No police inquiry was filed.*


Monday, April 14, 2003 01:35:32 PM

I think that the current "near-emptiness" of the comment room comes from several different reasons:

1. A lot of people are so busy with work or with school that they don't have the time to come here and post.

2. It being six years since "Gargoyles" went off the air, it may be fading into a pleasant nostalgia rather than anything current in our hearts.

3. We're running low on things to discuss here that we hadn't discussed before. (Maybe Greg Weisman will make a new revelation at "Ask Greg" soon that will re-ignite the discussions, although, in light of the kinds of questions he usually gets asked there, I'm a bit doubtful of that).

As for Blaise's question about the Goliath Chronicles; while I had noticed even before I discovered "Gargoyles" fandom on the Internet that it didn't feel quite up to the level of the first two seasons, I didn't realize that there'd been a change in the production team leadership until I read about it on the Gargoyles fan sites near the end of 1996. (And to me, it explained a lot).

Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Monday, April 14, 2003 07:06:59 AM

10th in the name of the Fay


Monday, April 14, 2003 03:02:37 AM

****A book flies off one of the shelves, and floats in mid-air. It opens up, and out shoots the upper half of Blaise.**** Hey all! Since there's been a slight drop in traffic here, I figured I might do my part to jumpstart things a little. Though, all I have are a couple poll questions.

QUESTION ONE: CHARACTERS> Yes, this is "Who's your favorite character" again. But let's add to that the "Who's your least favorite character" question, as well.
With me, Brooklyn's the favorite, and as for the least favorite...hmmm. I don't think I have one. Nokkar and some of the New Olympians did things I didn't like, but I don't really hate them as *characters*.
Oh, and in answer to a poll a few weeks ago--I always wanted to see more of the Mutates.

QUESTION TWO: TGC> When did you realise that TGC was not worked on by the original creators? For me, although I noticed the Supervising Producer credit went to someone different, I didn't really know about the "creative change" until I got on the 'Net and checked around.

I know I had a third one, but I can't remember it now. Oh well. I'd better be memorizing my lines for "Dogg's Hamlet, Cahoot's Macbeth" by Tom Stoppard. It's shaping up to be a great play. Don't know when I'll be back, but hopefully it'll be soon. Until then, farewell. ****Blaise's torso is sucked back into the book which promptly falls to the floor.****

Monday, April 14, 2003 01:43:49 AM

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Demona Taina - [demona3@hotmail.com]
Ponce, Puerto Rico
Monday, April 14, 2003 01:01:20 AM

Oops. Sixieme
The Question
Monday, April 14, 2003 12:32:26 AM

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Monday, April 14, 2003 12:09:45 AM

Fourth in the name of
hot men
and hot men with sessy accents

Spacebabie - [LadyAndromeda@smstars.zzn.com]
Monday, April 14, 2003 12:03:27 AM

Knoxville - [knox@ketnar.org]
Monday, April 14, 2003 12:01:10 AM



Battle Beast
Edmonton IN 6 , Go OILERS GO , Canada
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Battle Beast
Edmonton IN 6 , Go OILERS GO , Canada
Monday, April 14, 2003 12:00:05 AM