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Babs
Philly, Pa
Monday, June 2, 2003 12:00:01 AM
IP: 68.83.228.122

Patrick - correct.

Todd - I look forward to your comments.

Matt - <except that there is no explanation for how Matt clearly hears that Elisa jumped off a skyscraper, and yet survives... *shrugs*> To me, the bigger mystery is in "Reawakening". The episode works fine if you assume Matt knows about Elisa's connection to the gargoyles. Otherwise, it gets kinda trippy.

New trivia question: Name the minor named character who was on screen during "Awakening" parts 1-5 and who was not on screen during "Hunter's Moon" parts 1-3. To make it easier, this character also wasn't on screen during "The Gathering" parts 1 & 2, but the majority of the other minor characters were. I'll admit this is a really tough question.

Here's a much easier question: How much did Bredan pay for the car in "Awakening"? (That's part of the dialogue).

DPH
AR, USA
Sunday, June 1, 2003 10:45:07 PM
IP: 204.94.193.44

With June begun, I've started up my annual tradition of fishing out my "Gargoyles" tapes and watching them in order, one by one, over the summer. This morning I watched my tape of "Awakening Part One". I'll say more about it after the room clears (which it hopefully should do tonight).
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Sunday, June 1, 2003 06:42:17 PM
IP: 171.75.195.98

DPH > Broadway, at the very end of "The Gathering, Part II."

Angela: "So this is home? Quite an island, this Manhattan."
Broadway: "Heh, Angie, you ain't seen nothin' yet."

This was Angela's first night in Manhattan. No wonder by the time we hit "Turf" she was royally annoyed.

In other news...

Only 26 days left until The Gathering 2003!

Patrick
Sunday, June 1, 2003 02:59:25 PM
IP: 65.43.163.57

Airwalker<I remember that its mentioned that he basically gets shipwrecked on the island but I don't remember it being mentioned that he specifically set sail from the East Coast.>

Actually bit about the East Coast can be extrapolated from the fact that Terry attends MIT and that his mother is a diplomat for the UN.

The Question
Sunday, June 1, 2003 02:30:03 PM
IP: 128.249.124.154

Matt - btw, your answer was correct. Who was the 1st person to call Angela "Angie" and what episode did it occur?
DPH
AR, USA
Sunday, June 1, 2003 02:26:38 PM
IP: 204.94.193.17

hey gargs and goyles!

MGC has been updated!
For the month of June, the topic is, Egyptian Gargoyles!
And Gargoyle TV parodies is available for voting!

Even if you didn't enter, swing by the site and pick your choices for most creative and artistic submissions!

Thanks! :D

Siryn - [ekkapinto@yahoo.com]
Sunday, June 1, 2003 12:14:19 PM
IP: 66.66.97.209

Matt - I meant Who wrote it, but if I had said that, the answer would be obvious.
DPH
AR, USA
Sunday, June 1, 2003 09:56:32 AM
IP: 204.94.193.49

DPH> are you asking who SAID it or who WROTE it? cuz i believe Tony Dracon was the first person to verbally say it, but Mace Malone wrote it years before that...

The Silver Falcon, i originally hated this episode, but know its among my favorites... except that there is no explanation for how Matt clearly hears that Elisa jumped off a skyscraper, and yet survives... *shrugs*

matt
Sunday, June 1, 2003 12:48:42 AM
IP: 207.230.48.115

Nickerous - Correct. BTW, I'll send you an email soon with my physical address. I finally decided to settle on "The Gathering" parts 1 & 2. (My only other choice would have been settling for 2 of the 4 City of Stone episodes).

BTW, why did Toon Disney cut the bit from "I'll Meet By Moonlight" explaining Oberon's vulvernability? It's a pretty obvious cut.

Next question: Who said "Right idea, wrong falcon"?

DPH
AR, USA
Sunday, June 1, 2003 12:27:02 AM
IP: 204.94.193.76

Lexington. City of Stone 1
Nickerous
Saturday, May 31, 2003 11:42:07 PM
IP: 66.220.73.252

Matt - Here's my response to your answer: "Right idea, Wrong Falcon". In other words, nobody said that during Hunter's Moon. When you figure out the answer, you'll understand why it's an interesting quote.
DPH
AR, USA
Saturday, May 31, 2003 11:16:43 PM
IP: 204.94.193.64

DPH> didn't Lex say that in Hunter's Moon?
matt
Saturday, May 31, 2003 10:18:08 PM
IP: 207.230.48.13

DPH > I said that, after my new next door neighbor's housewarming party last summer. :P
Patrick
Saturday, May 31, 2003 09:08:20 PM
IP: 65.43.163.57

Ok, here's a trivia question: Who said "I hope tonight is quieter than last night was"? I'm also looking for the episode name.

I'm getting ready to watch "Future Tense".

DPH
AR, USA
Saturday, May 31, 2003 08:36:59 PM
IP: 204.94.193.25

Blaise> Oops, I was only naming the people that had posted so far this week. And you two hadn't. But anyway, I know the problems with RL. As a matter of fact, the only reason I have been on so often lately is because I've been cooped up in my room writing papers and studying, so I end up taking a lot of 5-10 min internet breaks.
Jimmy
Saturday, May 31, 2003 03:15:44 PM
IP: 208.37.196.232

****One of the candles on the banquet table shoots out a gout of flame. The inferfno eventually takes the form of Blaise.**** Still lurking about....

EVERMORE> Welcome to the Comment Room! Help yourself to the items on the table, and watch out for any holes in the floor or baby dragons. :-D

JIMMY> What are Bud-Clare and I? Chopped liver? ;-)
Seriously though, I know I don't pop in much nowadays, but I've been busy with RL (can't gripe, though, Tom Stoppard's "Dogg's Hamlet, Cahoot's Macbeth" is a great play, and I'm sorry tomorrow is our closing night). Plus, I largely haven't had much to contribute to the conversations.

AIRWALKER> Didn't Greg mention the college from which Terry graduated before he set sail? I thought it was one that's on the eastern USA coastline. MIT, maybe?

BATTLE BEAST> I thought Lexington's line in regards to the three "garg-girls" on the subway was "Kind of fun, but weird," and that his line in the last part of HUNTER'S MOON for being back at the castle was "Cool, but weird."
BTW, is the answer you're looking for in regards to "Coyote's Native American name" the Kachina Coyote?

That pretty much takes up all I had to say for now. I'll be back next time I can think of something worthwhile to write (or before I leave for Singapore, whichever comes first). Until then, farewell. ****Blaise wraps his cloak about himself and bursts into flame. The blaze dies down back into the tiny flickering spark that normally tops the candle.****

Blaise
Saturday, May 31, 2003 12:46:14 PM
IP: 209.179.130.10

MATT - You wrote: [i doubt that they are the most common race of Gargoyle there. i would tend to think that Greek Gargoyles (if they do, in fact, exist) are the most common NO gargoyles.]

I thought something along those lines too; but now it occurs to me that I only really do that because the island is called New Olympus which strongly suggests Greece. But the Olympians were also Roman gods.

I'm not saying that its impossible that the NOlympian Clan is largely descended from Greek or Egyptian rather than Italian or Spanish Gargoyles. It just seems to me more likely that Gargoyle Clans would have less of a chance of survival in the Eastern Mediterranean and Fertile Cresent region than in the West. The Eastern Mediterranean and Fertile Cresent regions were settled longer, probably had larger human populations, and defintely had many armies running around it. Gargoyles would have had a harder time surviving in that area than they might have had in what became the Western Roman Empire.

The core makeup of the NOlympian Clan probably depends on what year movement to found New Olympus started in; the later the date, the less possible its going to be that there are going to be more than a smattering of Gargoyles in the Eastern Mediterranean area. I do think that if there were any remenants of Gargoyle Clans in the East they would be absorbed by the New Olympians but would they have been the main core of the New Olympian Clan rather than perhaps a larger and more intact Clan in the West?

The real question to ask is: Was the New Olympian Clan similar to the London Clan or the Moray Clan? Was it an intact Clan that allied to the New Olympians and enlarged itself over time by picking up leftovers of other clans in the Mediterranean area or was it a complete patchwork clan that only came together as a Clan because they happened to have been saved/brought together by the New Olympians?

You wrote: [but did the New Olympians even know these places existed when they founded the island? and even if they did, how did they get there?]

There is speculation that there was unrecorded contact between the Old World and the Americas in ancient times. There are plenty of ways that the New Olympians could have settled in the Pacific or Indian Oceans; they could have had access to older records of history than we have - all we know of Atlantis we get secondhand from Plato. They could have had the entire original account. They didn't have to be as limited in information as we might imagine the ancient world to have been.

Its also possible that having nothing to lose and with their position growing more difficult as time passes, the beings who would become the New Olympians decided to finance an expedition. And as for how they would get anywhere, they probably sailed there.

Now that I think about it, while the Pacific Ocean might be a stretch of the imagination for where the Island might be, the Indian Ocean could be more on target. If the New Olympians used Egyptian sources to study the world then its possible that they might also have decided to launch their expeditions from the Red Sea rather than the Mediterranean. It would make sense to do that; they could set up a large camp in the desert relatively out of contact from humans and use a waterway that would be slightly less traveled than the Mediterranean Sea to get access to a part of the world fewer humans travel to.

You wrote: [in their time it would've been hard enough to get all their citizens to an island ofshore, much less an island on the other side of the world.]

We're thinking of the Ancient World as we know it; but what about if we start a few hundred years before Plato got his account of Atlantis and picture a world that is still working with the memory and remenants of that island and its technology? Even if we keep the scenario relatively low tech, we still have a highly motivated population who could push technological development to fit their needs. Lets not forget that Colombus got across the Atlantis in 3 rickety boats. Imagine a fleet built on the back of half remembered Atlantian design that is heading towards a destination that has already been sought out and explored by a previous expedition. It could be done.

You wrote: [i'm pretty sure that Taurus said that no humans have been to New Olympus in a really long time]

I had forgotten about that; I haven't seen the episode in a while. I just put Bermuda forward as a suggestion.


THE QUESTION - You wrote: [Then how would the New Olympians reach the UN without getting spotted? From what we've seen their cloaking technology is rather limited.]

Its limited when your heading right towards it in a skiff with two Gargoyles. But if they could stay hidden even through the 1990's with all the advances in technology that Humanity has made then they could probably find a way to get to NYC without being noticed. Of course the entire point of going to the city is for them to be noticed by the entire world so possible that they wouldn't really make an effort to cloak themselves.

You wrote: [Furthermore the character of Terry Chung in the New Olympian Spin-Off got into boat troubles shortly after setting sail from the East Coast]

I remember that its mentioned that he basically gets shipwrecked on the island but I don't remember it being mentioned that he specifically set sail from the East Coast. (And of course it could be asked - the East Coast of What? The east coast of Africa where sailing is a big tourist attraction takes you into an island chain. The east coast of Asia and Australia where again sailing is a big tourist attraction takes you into Pacific island groupings. Not everything has to start on the eastern seaboard of North America. I got the impression that a NEW OLYMPIANS series would have an extremely international flavor to it.)

You wrote: [Or perhaps Paris is a "dimensional nexus" of sorts where people from other dimensions or realities meet up.]

No, that's Tokyo. :-)

Airwalker - [airwalker9999@yahoo.com]
Brooklyn, NY
Saturday, May 31, 2003 11:27:19 AM
IP: 12.88.196.141

As other people here have pointed out, since Elisa was the first human to visit New Olympus in 2000 years (according to Boreas and Taurus at the end of the episode), we can safely leave out the notion that anybody who disappeared in the Bermuda Triangle wound up in New Olympus. (Technically speaking, the evidence now is that the ominousness of the Bermuda Triangle has been exaggerated; the disappearances there all took place during stormy weather which would naturally be rough on ships and planes. Of course, circumstances might be different in the Gargoyles Universe, where such beings as Oberon and his court, living gargoyles, and the Loch Ness Monster are real.)
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Friday, May 30, 2003 07:04:10 PM
IP: 171.75.195.92

Admittedly I do have one question about New Olympus in my stack I will ask: What keeps New Olympus from being wiped out by a hurricane or large tidal waves? Beyond that, I prefer to keep my thoughts on New Olympus's location to myself.

Matt - <i'm pretty sure that Taurus said that no humans have been to New Olympus in a really long time (not sure how long, i forgot, but i know it was at least a few hundred years)> I just saw the episode. It's a lot more than 500 years. I'd have to ask how tight the security net is around New Olympus before I could argue against New Olympus being anywhere. What if the security is/was set up to automatically sink any large approaching large ships and shoot down any approaching aircraft? Those may have been policies of the past.

DPH
AR, USA
Friday, May 30, 2003 06:26:12 PM
IP: 204.94.193.58

Does anyone know where on the internet I can read the script for the Gargoyles-Atlantis crossover?

Airwalker< I did tend to think of it as being more in the Indian or Pacific Oceans; they are big enough that you could hide an island and not worry too much about human shipping traffic.>

Then how would the New Olympians reach the UN without getting spotted? From what we've seen their cloaking technology is rather limited.

Furthermore the character of Terry Chung in the New Olympian Spin-Off got into boat troubles shortly after setting sail from the East Coast which would indicate that the New Olympian Island could not be in Pacific or Indian Oceans.

<Having realities literally converge on each other tends to be messy business; its probably better to use a different explination to keep things simple. >

Or perhaps Paris is a "dimensional nexus" of sorts where people from other dimensions or realities meet up.

The Question
Friday, May 30, 2003 04:59:35 PM
IP: 128.249.124.91

Italian Clan> well, as much i think its possible that some Italian Gargoyle descendents still live on New Olympus, i doubt that they are the most common race of Gargoyle there. i would tend to think that Greek Gargoyles (if they do, in fact, exist) are the most common NO gargoyles. another possible group of gargs that made it to NO could've been the Egyptian gargs (again, assuming they existed). does anyone remember anything Greg has ever said about the origins of New Olympian gargs? i know hes said something, but it escapes me now...

Location of New Olympus> sorry, but i just can't see it being in the Pacific or Indian oceans. Airwalker, you have good points about those being larger and less traveled oceans, but did the New Olympians even know these places existed when they founded the island? and even if they did, how did they get there? in their time it would've been hard enough to get all their citizens to an island ofshore, much less an island on the other side of the world.
" its just as possible that New Olympus is in the Bermuda Triangle and that would explain how all those people could go in and never come out again; they got caught by New Olympians and were either killed or spent their lives in jail" - Airwalker i'm pretty sure that Taurus said that no humans have been to New Olympus in a really long time (not sure how long, i forgot, but i know it was at least a few hundred years)

i think the most likely location is the Atlantic somewhere. the Mediterranean is so small they would've been discovered by now, and all other oceans and seas are either too far away or too small. i think that when the migration happened they wanted to go as far from the human world as possible, but they couldn't go that far, their technology wasn't that advanced yet. most likely they headed out of the Mediterranean and ended up in some secluded spot in the Atlantic, figuring humans were unlikely to venture out into the unknown parts of the Atlantic, at least for a while. and when humans began crossing the Atlantic they developed technology to hide their home...

of course, we havn't mentioned the possiblity that the New Olympians are not only cloaking their island, but also taking action to steer humans away from it through "storms" or something... if this is so, they could be anywhere...

matt
Friday, May 30, 2003 02:16:03 PM
IP: 207.230.48.104

MATT - You wrote: [there was "absolutly" an Italian Clan at one time. i'd be willing to bet that some of these gargoyles ended up on New Olympus...]

Its possible that this Italian Clan would form the core of the New Olympian Gargoyles. Until now I'd always automatically thought of them as being more or less Gargoyles from the area of Greece and the Eastern Mediterranean; it could just be that NOlympian culture is adopted from Greece with most of the population originating in Italy and the West.

(It actually would make more sense for the bulk of all New Olympian population to come from Italy and the Western Roman Empire; the Eastern Mediterranean and the Fertile Cresent would have had too many people and nations wandering making it much too difficult for a viable Gargoyle Clan to continue to live in that area.


VASH - You wrote: [There must have been a clan in Rome during Cesar Augustus's time, considering that his Magus was the one who cast the gargoyle humility spell.]

I think that in Greg's story he mentioned that it from time to time a lone Gargoyle would be brought to the court of Caesar who then had the spell cast in general; that doesn't have to mean that there was a Clan in Rome itself (which I don't think the Romans would have wanted) but it does imply that there were Gargoyles somewhere in the area. It could be that this Italian Clan could have been in the Alps or in some other slightly out of reach area that would allow some contact but keep it to a minimum. Too much contact would leave a historical record.


DPH - You wrote: [The only thing I care to speculate about New Olympus's location is Proteus's comment about Elisa showing up in the middle of the ocean and, of course, I could be reading too much into that comment.]

I don't think that your reading too much into it; Proteus did want to escape from New Olympus and his question and direction of action towards Elisa was all geared towards that goal. Plus he did make an escape attempt before. So it does strongly imply that New Olympus is an island in the middle of a large ocean with nothing in sight for anyone to escape to.

I never thought of the island as being in the Mediterranean or Atlantic; there is too much traffic and too many people in those areas to make it possible for absolutely nobody to come across it. I did tend to think of it as being more in the Indian or Pacific Oceans; they are big enough that you could hide an island and not worry too much about human shipping traffic.

(Of course I could be wrong; its just as possible that New Olympus is in the Bermuda Triangle and that would explain how all those people could go in and never come out again; they got caught by New Olympians and were either killed or spent their lives in jail. But that would mean that it could be easier to escape than Proteus was suggesting; I really got the idea that there is nothing in sight for miles to escape to. But then again he could have just been exaggerating the distance.)


JIMMY - You wrote: [Perhaps New Olympus is actually. . . Atlantis.]

I thought that it could be a possibility but given that Atlantis would be more or less in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean and that there is a lot of shipping traffic in that area, eventually someone would have come across it. If it is in the Atlantic then it would have to be an area that reports lots of unexplained disappearances and phenomena i.e. Bermuda Triangle. Otherwise I would consider someplace less accessible like somewhere in the Pacific or Indian Oceans.

You wrote: [Apparently Airwalker make a reappearance after vanishing before I came in.]

Even if I don't post for a while I tend to lurk; all in all I never really intend to drop out when it tends to happen. Real life just gets in the way from time to time. :-)


PHIL - You wrote: [I believe that Greg said the Gargoyles universe and Disney's Atlantis universe were not the same and only intersected in that one episode.]

Sort of like the Origin given to the Vision in AVENGERS FOREVER.

I would personally tend to see that overlap as being less a meeting of two Universes as much as it is two seperate parallel realities with similar elements in them. Gargoyles and such existing in a TEAM ATLANTIS universe and Team Atlantis and such existing in a GARGOYLES universe. But in each universe some of the elements might be different. For example Atlantis probably isn't the same in the two realities but they exist in the two realities. Team Atlantis might exist in both realities but be radically different from each other in their respective realties.

Having realities literally converge on each other tends to be messy business; its probably better to use a different explination to keep things simple.

You wrote: [are Enigma and I the only ones who have seen Milo's Return?]

I haven't picked it up yet; I intend to though - I am very curious to see it. From what we've been told about the series, it sounded like it would have been something very interesting to see on television. (Not that there really is much of a place on regular TV anymore for interesting and dramatic animated series; they all moved to Cable.)

Airwalker - [airwalker9999@yahoo.com]
Brooklyn, NY
Friday, May 30, 2003 12:35:44 PM
IP: 12.88.200.63

Jimmy: The Fanfic Archive is still alive and kicking!
Fire Storm - [<--- Fan Fic archive]
Friday, May 30, 2003 04:19:55 AM
IP: 208.143.21.10

Welcome back Adam. I think late '98 early '99 is when I came here, so I just missed you. The board was a lot more active back then. I think the only people still here from when I started are Todd, Matt, Gabriel, and Vash. Apparently Airwalker make a reappearance after vanishing before I came in.
But anyway, you might want to try the fanfic archive, Vashodka posted a link to it earlier down the CR. Aside from that, couldn't tell you if it survived. I lost a poem I wrote once long ago (7th grade) and I really liked it, my teacher even framed it and put it on her wall, but I can't find it anymore and it tears me up so I know how it feels to lose one of you works of art. It's like losing a child.
Although I have never been much of a fanfic reader myself. But I must say Jeffery Robbins at My Lai sounds like a pretty cool idea. I wonder how the Gargoyles would react to it.

And welcome to Evermore too. Grab a cookie.

Jimmy
Friday, May 30, 2003 03:00:15 AM
IP: 199.74.80.183

Uh, hi.

Completely strange request here. I haven't posted on s8 in years. Somewhere circa 1997/1998, I posted as "Hudson" on these boards, and at one point wrote a fanfic while I was applying to join the TGS crew.

I got to thinking about it the other day and realized I no longer have even a hard copy of it. If for no other reason than to see how bad a writer I was 6 years ago, I'd love to read it again. I've searched the Gargoyles Fanfic Archive to no avail. I seem to recall posting the story here, though--I still cannot find it.

I know someone who used to post as "Dracandros" read it, and maybe a few of the other people from back then did too. I rather doubt there's more than a handful of holdovers from so long ago, but seeing Todd Jensen post here gives me some hope that maybe someone still has my fanfic floating around.

For reference, it was entitled "Confessions of Guilt and Innocence." and penned by "Adam 'Hudson' Felder". While grossly historically inaccurate, it dealt with Jeffrey Robbins' participation in the My Lai massacre during the Vietnam War and Goliath and Elisa letting the rest of the clan know they were in love with one another.

Like I said, I'm sure it's horrible. But...I'd still like to see it again if any of you have a copy or a lead of where I could find it. Either email me, or post here. Much appreciated.
Adam Felder - [afelder@syr.edu]
PA
Friday, May 30, 2003 12:50:04 AM
IP: 68.65.147.197

Battle Beast> A bigger version is on Toon Disney's site, but they also lightened it quite a bit (probably to keep it from looking too scary). *rolls eyes* Speaking of scary, it seems the point of the next Marathon is that it's on a Friday the 13th. I guess Disney really is promoting Gargoyles as their 'cool, scary show'. I wonder if it's a result of when Gargoyles fans stuffed the ballot box for Disney's spookiest movie of the 90's (just so it would get some attention, obviously not because any of us found it scary).
Vash
Friday, May 30, 2003 12:12:33 AM
IP: 129.98.127.164

Vash> Natsilani is correct. AND, that IS the pic I saw! (Well, only half of it.)

CLICKY the link to see it or go to:

http://crossroads.dragonmists.org/fantasy/central/gnc_fanfic.html

It's at the very bottom of the page.

Later~

Battle Beast
CanadaThursday, May 29, 2003 10:25:49 PM
IP: 66.222.190.242

Phil> I think it could be said that the universes might diverge after that episode without affecting either timeline, but there's no reason to think the universes couldn't be the same before that episode. Either way, I think the mere existence of the crystals and the cast appearing in that episode would be enough to prove that the two islands are different.

Battle Beast> "Coyote the Trickster" and Natsilane? Not sure about the first one.

Jimmy> I think the poster Battle Beast is talking about is the one I have a mini-pic of in GNC's fanfic section.

Vash
Thursday, May 29, 2003 08:52:08 PM
IP: 129.98.127.164

Hey...

I think Leo's answer is more correct. Lex Directed the comment to Brooklyn and Goliath (I think they were all there actually) as they got off the subway in "The mirror."

He was referring to the fact everyone was a gargoyle, and he could walkaround with fearing anyting.

41) This is a two part question.
A) What is Coyotes native American name?
B) What is Nick's Native Candian name?
2 pts each.

Later~

Battle Beast
CanadaThursday, May 29, 2003 08:08:49 PM
IP: 66.222.190.242

Hello all, my first post here after lurking for quite awhile. I enjoy the discussions about the show quite a bit.

Anyways, I thought I'd add my name to the trivia list: The "Cool, but wierd" quote from Lex meant how it felt being back at the castle. Its from Hunter's Moon - Part 3.

Evermore - [pfog@velocity.net]
Thursday, May 29, 2003 07:42:19 PM
IP: 65.120.98.233

I doubt that New Olympus and Atlantis were the same in the Gargoyles Universe; the fact that New Olympus is still around rather than having been destroyed by the wrath of the gods is one reason. Another reason is that New Olympus is too late in history to be Atlantis, which was destroyed approximately 9000 B.C., according to Plato (the primary source for Atlantis).

Incidentally, in Plato's account of Atlantis, Atlantis was actually the antagonist rather than the protagonist. The protagonist was the city of Athens, which, when Atlantis set out to conquer the world, alone stood up against the Atlanteans, fought against them, and defeated them. I suspect, in fact, that Plato came up with Atlantis for the purpose of glorifying Athens by inventing for it an "Evil Empire" which it had saved the world from long ago, in the age of myth (he might not have had too much trouble coming up with the idea, incidentally, in light of Athens having done something similar against the Persian Empire at Marathon and Salamis a hundred years before his time).

Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Thursday, May 29, 2003 06:38:45 PM
IP: 171.75.194.36

You know, this answer is really open to interpretation. I don't remember exactly where the cut happens, but it cuts to female gargoyles when lex says his lines, then cuts back. I honestly don't know anymore what he was refferring to. Thena again, I trying to remember from memory.
Gabriel
Thursday, May 29, 2003 06:23:06 PM
IP: 68.116.248.99

Re:40) What did Lexington think was "Cool, but weird?"

If this is from "The Mirror," I thought he said "kind of fun, but wierd"

And I think he was referring to just being able to walk around in public, just another "Garg" in the crowd. (as well as having 3 hot garg chicks checking him out)

Leo
Thursday, May 29, 2003 06:20:05 PM
IP: 68.96.8.12

Since we're talking about Atlantis, are Enigma and I the only ones who have seen Milo's Return? No one else has commented on it.
You all should see it at least to enjoy Greg's voice direction and to hear Tom Wilson, Clancy Brown, Morgan Shepperd, and of course Cree Summer.


Phil - [p1anderson@go.com]
Thursday, May 29, 2003 04:34:40 PM
IP: 134.215.241.140

That alst coment was to Battle Beast :)
Gabriel
Thursday, May 29, 2003 03:19:46 PM
IP: 68.116.248.99

*enters jamming out to "Hell Awaits" by Slayer, being in a very thrash metal mood*

The women turned into gargoyles during Puck's spell.


Gabriel - [DEATH TO FALSE METAL!! haha!]
Thursday, May 29, 2003 02:50:54 PM
IP: 68.116.248.99

Jimmy> Sorry, no.

40) What did Lexington think was "Cool, but weird?" (2 pt)

Later~

Battle Beast
CanadaThursday, May 29, 2003 02:41:17 PM
IP: 66.222.190.242

Phil> I still can't understand how that would work. But I guess we will never know.

Battle Beast> I did a couple of Google image searches for that poster and found nothing. You wouldn't happen to have a digital camera would you?

Jimmy
Thursday, May 29, 2003 01:22:43 PM
IP: 199.74.80.183

MAtt> According to Plato, Atlantis didn't mysteriously disappear, it sank into the water and was destroyed by the gods.
Gabriel
Thursday, May 29, 2003 01:02:04 PM
IP: 68.116.248.99

Matt> Greg already stated that the Praying Gargoyle is the smae in Atlantis AND Gargoyles.

BTW> I was at my library yesterday, and I saw a rather large poster of Goliath sitting on a rooftop corner reading, and the caption said: "Gargoyles for America's library's." (It should have said CANADA'S librarys...) IT WAS Goliath, but was a weird pic of him. It was a cool poster.

Later~

Battle Beast
CanadaThursday, May 29, 2003 10:30:07 AM
IP: 139.142.189.66

i've also thought that New Olympus and Atlantis could be one and the same. makes alot of sense in a way: advanced culture that mysteriously dissapeared in roughly the same place at roughly the same time? sounds a little too coincidental. i've always assumed that NO wa in the Mediterranean, but the Atlantic is also possible, as well as the Black Sea and other locations...

i wonder if there is a crystal in the Praying Gargoyle of the Gargoyles Universe???? something to ask Greg when we get the feature back, i suppose...

matt
Thursday, May 29, 2003 10:08:56 AM
IP: 207.230.48.24

From the Ask Greg archives:

Vashkoda writes...
Hi Greg. CrzyDemona revealed what she'd discovered when you invited her to the recording of one of the "Team Atlantis" episodes...
Does this mean that the "Gargoyles" and "Atlantis" universes are one and the same?

Greg responds...

No. But they overlap in Paris in 1920.

Phil - [p1anderson@go.com]
Thursday, May 29, 2003 08:22:07 AM
IP: 134.215.241.140

I believe that Greg said the Gargoyles universe and Disney's Atlantis universe were not the same and only intersected in that one episode. He had a whole different concept of Atlantis in the Gargoyle universe.


-Really? How did they he get Demona into the team Atlantis thing then? And how did an Atlantean Crystal get inside the Praying Gragoyle? Anyone who saw the Radio Play willing to enlighten me?

Jimmy
Thursday, May 29, 2003 01:06:37 AM
IP: 199.74.80.183

oh, be real.
EVERYONE knows Atlantis is in the black sea off the coast of Turkey, not in the Meditarranean.

;)

lynati
Wednesday, May 28, 2003 11:43:05 PM
IP: 64.218.106.15

Vash> I believe that Greg said the Gargoyles universe and Disney's Atlantis universe were not the same and only intersected in that one episode. He had a whole different concept of Atlantis in the Gargoyle universe.


Phil - [p1anderson@go.com]
Wednesday, May 28, 2003 10:33:56 PM
IP: 158.253.112.232

Jimmy> I doubt it, since "Gargoyles" is supposed to be in the same universe as the "Team Atlantis" show, to account for that one episode. Therefore, the two islands must be separate.

Nickerous> That's cool--I was wondering if there even was a 'Xanatos' feature, since I only hear about the Demona one.

Vash
Wednesday, May 28, 2003 08:39:31 PM
IP: 129.98.127.164

Nicerous> What episodes are you lacking?
Jimmy
Wednesday, May 28, 2003 08:36:33 PM
IP: 199.74.80.183

Just checked out the Toon Disney schedule. There is a Xanatos chillin with the villians next friday night. Hopefully, it'll have something I need in it. getting very close to being finished! *I know, I know....y'all are really excited about this* ^_^
Nickerous - [nickerous@yahoo.com]
SC, USA
Wednesday, May 28, 2003 08:12:17 PM
IP: 66.220.73.40

I think an island in the middle of the medditerranean would have been found by now, cloaking device or not. I'm thinking perhaps a little further into the atlantic. Perhaps New Olympus is actually. . . Atlantis. They made a big holographic trick to make people think it was sinking, but they really just hid it. Creativity deamon, anyone wanna write about it?
Jimmy
Wednesday, May 28, 2003 07:36:59 PM
IP: 199.74.80.183

The only thing I care to speculate about New Olympus's location is Proteus's comment about Elisa showing up in the middle of the ocean and, of course, I could be reading too much into that comment.
DPH
AR, USA
Wednesday, May 28, 2003 07:01:19 PM
IP: 204.94.193.58

Latest "Ask Greg" tidbit: Greg Weisman liked both of the Lord of the Rings movies. (I know, not all that "Gargoyles" relevant, but I still was interested to learn it).
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Wednesday, May 28, 2003 06:46:46 PM
IP: 171.75.194.230

As I recall, New Olympus was populated by gargs from all over the Mediterranean.

There must have been a clan in Rome during Cesar Augustus's time, considering that his Magus was the one who cast the gargoyle humility spell.

Vash
Wednesday, May 28, 2003 01:31:57 PM
IP: 129.98.127.164

How do we know New Olympus is near Italy. I'm *guessing* that you're thinking it's off the coast of Greece. Was it said in the show?
Gabriel
Wednesday, May 28, 2003 12:57:51 PM
IP: 68.116.248.99

interesting new revelation from Greg: there was "absolutly" an Italian Clan at one time. i'd be willing to bet that some of these gargoyles ended up on New Olympus...
matt
Wednesday, May 28, 2003 10:20:40 AM
IP: 207.230.48.107

Hey...

Patrick> Well, arn't I red faced about that one?

I have to check on my answer... I seem to have balnked.

Later~

Battle Beast
CanadaWednesday, May 28, 2003 10:17:55 AM
IP: 139.142.189.66

Sorry for the double post, but I just found my alias thanked on the Garg news site. SWEET!!
Jimmy
Tuesday, May 27, 2003 11:08:16 PM
IP: 199.74.80.183

Found this little nugget in Ask Greg:
Anonymous writes...

I'd just like to thank you for creating such an dramatic and educational show which got me interested in Shakespeare and all those legends that appeared in the Avalon World Tour including Cuchullain, Raven and the Kichinas. Finally I'd like to thank you for answering my hundred or so question which I imagine was a very tedious task.

Greg responds. . .
You're welcome.



Ha ha, he didn't answer any of that fellows 100 or so questions. Ha ha, loser! j/k Just trying to liven it up in here. (See how much you were missing Airwalker?)

Jimmy
Tuesday, May 27, 2003 11:05:16 PM
IP: 199.74.80.183

Battle Beast...

39) Who is the first Gargoyle from Ishimura that we wee? (1 pt)

:: blinks :: I don't think Disney Standards and Practices allows "we wee" on camera.

But if you meant to say "that we SEE"... I think it was Yama.

Patrick
Tuesday, May 27, 2003 06:50:40 PM
IP: 65.43.152.137

WB Airwalker!

And no, you haven't missed much; the bulk of what we've done during your absence has been trivia contests.

Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Monday, May 26, 2003 07:48:12 PM
IP: 171.75.194.100

Battle Beast> Kai

Vashkoda> I can send out a cd-r with Golem on it. I have it on tape somewhere, but can't remember where....

Nickerous - [nickerous@yahoo.com]
SC, USA
Monday, May 26, 2003 04:53:28 PM
IP: 66.220.73.112

Hey-lo again.

Here is the point standings as of today:

1) DPH - 25
2) Demona Taina - 8
2) Matt - 8
4) Enigma - 7
5) Gabriel - 6
5) Nickerous - 6
7) Cassie - 5
7) Rac - 5
7) Todd Jensen - 5
10) Vashkoda - 4
10) Wingless - 4
12) Aaron - 3
12) Spacebabie - 3
14) Silverbolt - 2
14) Warrioress - 2
16) Jimmy - 1
16) Lurking Fish - 1

Enigma> Correct (Q# 38)

39) Who is the first Gargoyle from Ishimura that we wee? (1 pt)

Later~

Battle Beast
CanadaMonday, May 26, 2003 03:57:17 PM
IP: 66.222.190.242

Scott and Glen Sperling have sent me an e-mail thanking the fans for their remembrance of their brother. I have put their message up at GNC. There is also a small tribute to Gary there, where I have reposted Greg's words and made links to the corresponding references.

Also, would anyone be willing to send Scott a copy of "Golem"? He is a rabbi, and was apparently an advisor to Gary for that episode.

Vashkoda - [<- click here for Gary Sperling tribute]
Monday, May 26, 2003 03:32:18 PM
IP: 129.98.127.164

"So did I miss anything exciting? :-)"
-Unless you're interested in a month long trivia-fest, no.

Jimmy
Monday, May 26, 2003 03:24:23 PM
IP: 199.74.80.183

Dangit... I get beaten by ten seconds and somehow get the wrong pic, as well. :: shakes his flag at Leo ::
Patrick
Monday, May 26, 2003 03:21:05 PM
IP: 65.43.155.224

Tenth!
Patrick
Monday, May 26, 2003 03:19:16 PM
IP: 65.43.155.224

10th. (I represent myself)
Leo
Monday, May 26, 2003 03:19:02 PM
IP: 68.96.8.12

9th in the name of The Gathering!
Spacebabie - [LadyAndromeda@smstars.zzn.com]
Orlando, Florida, U.S.A
Monday, May 26, 2003 01:20:23 PM
IP: 65.56.39.105

Eighth!

Haven't been here in a while; I actually never intended to just drop off the face of the comment room but real life's been keeping me very busy. But now that the temp job I was at is done and I'm going back to school for my M.A. I hope that I'll have more time to stop by.

So did I miss anything exciting? :-)

Airwalker - [airwalker9999@yahoo.com]
Brooklyn, NY
Monday, May 26, 2003 12:02:47 PM
IP: 12.88.163.28

Seventh in the name of....um.....people who need to get to work but keep procrastinating! (like me) :-D
warrioress
Monday, May 26, 2003 10:31:47 AM
IP: 65.64.124.248

sixth!!

I'll post the points standings later today... I don't have them with me right now.

Later~

Battle Beast
CanadaMonday, May 26, 2003 09:59:09 AM
IP: 139.142.189.66

5th in the name of freaks and geeks everywhere!!!
Enigma
Monday, May 26, 2003 09:25:55 AM
IP: 24.118.156.5

4TH in the name of three day weekends!!!!

best i've done in a loooong time, mainly cuz i usually have to be at work at midnight on Sunday/Monday!

later kids!

matt
Monday, May 26, 2003 04:14:40 AM
IP: 207.230.48.21

3rd!!
DPH
AR, USA
Monday, May 26, 2003 12:13:12 AM
IP: 204.94.193.21

2nd!
Nickerous - [nickerous@yahoo.com]
Monday, May 26, 2003 12:03:29 AM
IP: 66.220.73.110

First. Wow. Oh boy. I can't contain myself. Hot diggity.


:)
Gabriel
Monday, May 26, 2003 12:00:12 AM
IP: 68.116.248.99