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Comments for the week ending June 16, 2003

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I think that eventually, I'll get one of the set-top dvd recorders. Right now, though, 500 bucks is a little much to spend on a hobby for me. I got my dvd burner for $175. Actually, I debated on getting that. The blank media is still too much. I'll do more with dvd when u can get 50 discs for 20-25 dollars. Course, by that time, HD-DVD recorders will be out and everyone will be debating which format to get.

Part 5 is done. Now I gotta get the cover and menu set up before I burn it.

Nickerous - [nickerous@yahoo.com]
Sunday, June 15, 2003 02:13:22 PM

Someone asked what was involved with making a DVD off a tv broadcast? Well, if you get one of the VCR like units, it's amazingly simple. You record the episode just like you would to tape, only it goes directly to your blank DVD, and when you are finished recording the show, it takes a couple of minutes to "finalize" the DVD so it can be played on other machines. Right now the Phillips units are in the 500 dollar range, and I have all the Toon Disney Broadcasts on HQ quality

HQ = 1 hour of time on a blank DVD, SP is 2hours, then there is a lower grade of recording I think it gets four hours on a DVD.

The eps I got are mainly for my personal reference, and what I love about DVDs is that it takes so little space to store them. On little CD holder, about the size of a hard back book, holds the entire series, where it takes the full length of a book shelf to hold the series on VHS tape is you record on SP. Right now blank R+ dvds run about 2 bucks if you wait for Best Buy to have their sales on 50 and 100 count spindles.


Sunday, June 15, 2003 04:54:56 AM

Mayan Gargs> always been my favorite Clan, and i'm glad i asked that question, and was surprised that Greg decided that most of the Mayan Clan would have Zafiro's lower body structure. i'm already imagining the variations among the Clan members. i would guess that about 75% of the Mayan eggs are snake-like given things Greg has said before. guess the other three pendant wearers were just coincidentially legged.
Saturday, June 14, 2003 06:56:21 PM

Babs> That stinks about your VCR, but, really, that logo was horrendous. Hanging with the Heroes should have finished the Goliath Chronicles today (the first show today), so they might be ready to start over with the first season again. I missed the 3:30 block today. Have to catch it at 11 tonight. I still need that last Goliath Chronicles episode. I may not even redo those for dvd. The first two seasons are WAY better in my opinion.
Nickerous - [nickerous@yahoo.com]
Saturday, June 14, 2003 04:33:33 PM

Battle Beast> Well, I have to capture the episode off tape, set up the encode, and then wait for the encoding to finish. Setting up takes 20-25 min, actual encode takes 13-15 hours per episode. I could use the cd versions I've already made, but, to me, they are full of block noise on the action scenes. I want broadcast quality. I want to look at these and see only minimal differences from the professionally made dvds that are supposedly in production. Also, I really don't think DisneyDVD will get around to making the second season. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think they will. So, I want mine to look like professionally made dvds. It's all about the quality. ^_^

Part 4 is done. Gotta get part 5 ready before I go out tonight. I want it done early tomorrow so I can work on the design tomorrow afternoon. I know I got 1 episode I needed last night, but, I think I'll try and catch it on Hanging with the heroes. That marathon logo really stunk up the screen. :(

Nickerous - [nickerous@yahoo.com]
Saturday, June 14, 2003 04:22:22 PM

Nickerous> What exactly is involved in putting an ep on DVD? Why does it take so long?

ASK GREG> Greg stated that the Myan Gargs would have more snake bodies than legs, and the eggs that hatch would reflect this. There would have to be *some* with legs out of the new batch one would think.

Also, Greg said that he wish he'd given all the Myan Gargs snake bodies. Interesting... I can picture pretty well what Jade might look like as a snake, but I can't see the rest of them (the two females). In fact, I think Zafero is a pretty cool looking Gargoyles any way.


Battle Beast
CanadaSaturday, June 14, 2003 12:44:33 PM

Actually, Keith David now lives in Los Angeles most of the year.

IMdB is not the be-all and end-all of entertainment information. Many times the information on there about projects yet to come is (gasp) wrong. Brigitte had an offer come up unexpectedly and she took it. But I think Nichelle is more than a fair substitute. Especially considering this will be the first time ever in its history that the Gathering has had a Trek guest.

Patrick Toman
Saturday, June 14, 2003 11:10:16 AM

Well, I was set to tape the shows, since for some reason ever single time I try , I either run of out and tape and dont know it, or something else goes wrong and I dont get it, well Not this time OOOO nooo, this time I was ready 1 hour ahead of time hahahahaha I had 5 blank tapes lost of drinks and food, for when I was watching them, the house all to myself and the cats locked up, o yes it was my turn !! the T.V. was on the right channel, but I forgot to turn the VCR on, so I walk over and the darn thing isnt working !!!!!! CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT !!!, so I move out everything to check since now I have about 3 mins to get it pluged in, well whata know it is plugged in... hmm I wonder what could be wrong why isn't my double deck VCR working that I spent to much money on, OOOO whats this there a wire pulled out of it !! HAHAHA and its not gonna back in, nope lucky me I tried to fix it, meanwhile the show is already on its first commercial break, and I can't fix my VCR. Once again the "something" has gone wrong where I can't tape the shows. You would think after a few years of trying to tape the shows, I would give up. Well I'm putting down the remote. I'll wait until it comes out on DVD.
Saturday, June 14, 2003 09:42:12 AM

Well, the marathon is a bust so far. Episodes are not in order and the friggin logo takes up a third of the screen. I am not a happy camper right now. Still, if I can get those 4 eps that I need, I'll feel a little better. Just set up a timer to record the rest of it. Time for this garg-fan to get some much needed shuteye.

Battle Beast> I'll consider making some copies for people after I get a few made. It is going to take forever to get the entire series transferred to dvd. But, that's ok. I'd rather do it right than take a few shortcuts and notice the quality difference later on. I've been working on the Awakening 5-parter since monday (I think...) and i am on part 4 now. If I can get part 5 started tomorrow, it'll be ready sometime Sunday afternoon. That's 1 week for 1 dvd. Plus, I gotta get the cover designed the way I want it. That'll take a while. Maybe I'll be finished before 2004. Maybe....

Right now, it's sleep-time. Night folks.

Nickerous - [nickerous@yahoo.com]
Saturday, June 14, 2003 12:50:47 AM

Battle Beast: IMDB is only current as of April 2003. (I did the same thing you did when I read the announcement) I was half expecting the "special guest" to be Keith david since he lives in NY and made "special appearances" at the first two NY Gatherings. He recently finished up production on something called "Hollywood Homicide." But Nichelle Nichols is ok. She made an appearance at the VA Air and Space Museum a couple years ago.
Friday, June 13, 2003 11:57:47 PM


Brigitte Bako> What "Film Commitment?" IMDB.com says she DOESN'T have ANYTHING going on right now.

Nickerous> Are you going to be selling these dvd's?


Battle Beast
CanadaFriday, June 13, 2003 11:08:52 PM

Brigitte Bako> What "Film Commitment?" IMDB.com says she does have ANYTHING going on right now.

Nickerous> Are you going to be selling these dvd's?


Battle Beast
CanadaFriday, June 13, 2003 11:08:14 PM

Saw my tape of "The Thrill of the Hunt" today. The first one-parter and the episode that introduces the Pack.

I don't have much to say about it somehow, although I still get a smile out of the Pack's live performance (complete with a narrator who sounds as if he must have attended the same acting school as Sevarius when he yells "Oh, no! It's the evil ninjas!") and the scene where Billy and Susan show up just as the Pack are ready to finish off Goliath and Lexington and Fox and Hyena bemoan the kids' timing. (And the bit where Wolf comments to Fox that Lexington doesn't look as big as the gargoyle in the photographs - Goliath - and Fox promptly nudges him in the side as a signal to shut up.)

The gargoyles still show their medieval outlook when they call the Pack "defenders of the realm". I very much like that line.

And we find out at the end that Xanatos orchestrated the whole thing. I wonder how many people, the first time that they saw "Gargoyles", were surprised to see him actually return after "Awakening". (One minor touch: anybody notice that prison guard standing there right next to Xanatos and Owen, within earshot? A little amazing that they're able to keep the gargoyles a secret with this sort of thing going on.)

Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Friday, June 13, 2003 06:54:59 PM

Fav. scene> I have to say it is when Hakon makes it to the top and Goliath wakes. When his eyes glow green just makes me think, "Oh damn, Hakon is SO screwed!" And then when he just cathes the sword in his hand! HA! I love these because they were able to capture the primitive and raw anger. Pefect!

Though this isn't a moment, I love the animation and design of Goliath in the second episode when he and the rest of the clan go after the vikings, The whole time he just wanted someone to die burtally at his hands! HA! I love it!
Friday, June 13, 2003 06:23:08 PM

While its not my favorite scene of the "Awakenings" five parter, its the one that sticks in my head the most.

After her proposition, Demona is holding a modified bazooka or rocket laucher on Goliath at point-blank range and she would have shot him had Elisa not tackled her. I guess it just shows how rash she could be as she didn't seem too worried about what harm she could have done to herself at such a range. Or perhaps it just showed the confidence she had in her immortality.

Evermore - [pfog@velocity.net]
Albion, PA, USA
Friday, June 13, 2003 05:40:01 PM

Huge news gargs and goyles! While we regret to announce that Brigitte Bako won't be joining us due to a film commitment, we are very pleased to announced that NICHELLE NICHOLS, known to the world over as Star Trek's Lt. Uhura and to Gargoyles fans as Diane Maza, will be joining us
Saturday night at the banquet.

Don't miss your opportunity to have dinner with Nichelle as she answers fan questions at the after dinner Q&A. There will also be an opportunity for you to have our "Gargoyles" memorabilia or Nichelle's latest novel "Saturna's Quest" autographed. Photos for signing will also be available at a nominal fee.

But wait! There's more! Vic Cook, "Gargoyles" Storyboard Artist and Disney Animation Director will be returning to the 7th Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles. Vic will share his insights into the Art of Disney and discuss his latest project: Lilo and Stitch: the Animated Series.

And wait! Even more good stuff! Disney has very graciously agreed to open their vault and lend us a special display of GARGOYLES production artwork for the weekend. Don't miss your chance to see this rare showing of sketches and cels direct from the Disney Archive!

Registration is at the door (after today, June 13th) and tickets for the banquet are still available.

Paypal your registration today! Click my name or go to:


Friday, June 13, 2003 05:00:37 PM

Howdy folks. Those are some great images ya'll have posted. I think I've decided on a single shot of each character (at least each Gargoyle) for the back of the case. The one of Bronx coming out of the shadows if almost a lock on him. The one of Demona springing off the wall of the airship is also another "almost lock". I still need to get the stills from 3,4,and 5. Got a few from 1 and 2. Any other image suggestions? I kinda breeze through these looking for stills, so I'm sure I miss many good ones.

Marathon tonight! I need 4 of the 12 episodes (although, I may not get them if the marathon logo is too bad). Two of the episodes will be the first time I've gotten them on tape.

Later folks!

Nickerous - [nickerous@yahoo.com]
Friday, June 13, 2003 03:50:23 PM


This is my first post here. I just wanted to weigh in on nominations for favorite scenes from "Awakenings". I have many, but I have always been struck by the shot in part V of Goliath's profile just after Demona tells him of her involvement in the massacre and then asks him to join her. We get only a sideways view of Goliath, but that's more than enough for us to see his profound pain and loss...excellent animation of a poignant moment...wow!

Yesterday's Child - [ayers7938@yahoo.com]
Brooklyn, NY, USA
Friday, June 13, 2003 01:08:44 PM

Hello, beautifuls. I think that an image from the Awakenings episodes that would be really cool would be the Magus casting his spell on the Gargoyles. Man, I loved the way that Jeff Bennet voiced that guy. Did anyone else ever wonder, though, why he of all the characters had a distinctly British accent and the rest sounded at least slightly Scottish? Do you think that that was poetic liscence, or it actually had a bit of a back story? Another image that I think would be groovy would be when the vikings run away and you see a short cut of the entire clan standing on the turrets. At the least it is very colorful, and perhaps one of the few times we see the entire Wveryn clan together and happy. Tootles!
Reba "Jade" Lee - [GargPrincess8857@aol.com]
Bloomsburg, PA, USA
Friday, June 13, 2003 12:23:10 PM

****A transparent Blaise materializes in the Comment Room.**** This is me speaking approximately 15 hours away from where I usually talk from.
Singapore is great! I just now finished the Night Safari. Let me tell you, few things can compare to being face to face with a Malayan Flying Fox bat. And those guys have got some seriously nice wings, though at a 3-foot wingspan, they're only half of what the African Flying Fox can reach.

BUD-CLARE> You can probably guess what this is about.
Happy Birthday to you! <a cake materializes on the table>

Well, I'm beat, and I've still got another full day of sight seeing ahead so I'd better rest. I'll probably be back home by the time I post again. Until then, farewell. ****The transparent Blaise's movements and voice gradually speed up to a blinding, high-pitched pace. Then, with a flash, Blaise is gone.****

Friday, June 13, 2003 11:08:14 AM

Major, Major Gathering Guest Announcement forthcoming. If you haven't booked yourself banquet tickets for the Gathering then make your way post haste and do so now!

Our very special (and soon to be announced guest) will be joining us for Dinner and a signing ONLY!


Online Registration Closes TODAY JUNE 13th. So don't delay

Friday, June 13, 2003 10:24:08 AM

Goliath holding Hakon by the arm as he says: "You are trespassing." Classic.

The scene with Bronx walking out of the shadows to meet Elisa for the first time.

When the Gargs. burst out of their 1000 year sleep.

So many awesome images in that five parter. It'll be hard to choose.

Friday, June 13, 2003 12:33:57 AM

Nickerous> Takes the one of Demona with her red eye, holding the bazooka laser with her talon raised, or the one of bronx (eyes glowoing) comming out of the dark.

Another cool one is Goliath comming to life next to Xanatos. (the glowing cracs)


Battle Beast
CanadaThursday, June 12, 2003 11:36:16 PM

Howdy all. Just finished Awakening part 2. If things continue, I should be able to make my first dvd late Sunday. I just bought some cases and blank inserts. I'm debating on how to design my case. Any suggestions? I know I want the logo somewhere, and some pics of the 5-parter. Just don't know which ones. The pic of Demona springing off the wall in part 5 looks cool. Goliath in stone hibernation with the full moon in the background is good too. What are some of your favorite images from the Awakening 5-parter?
Nickerous - [nickerous@yahoo.com]
Thursday, June 12, 2003 07:47:28 PM

Greetings all... got something to share!

[Walks in with an official, olde-style proclomation paper scroll in his hand. Steps up to the head of the room, unrolls the paper and grins before reading...]

I am happy to announce that my first works of
fanfiction - The DeGuy Saga - is making its return to
the world-wide web, courtesy of some great folks that
have convinced me to restore them to the main
Gargoyles Fanfiction Archive (located at
www.gargoyles-fans.org). Eventually, the definetive
body of all of my fics will be reposted there. Some
with brand new scenes added, others with re-worked
scenes to reflect my growth as a writer.

The first of these stories - the one that started it
all - "The Gift", is now posted on the archive for
your (re)viewing pleasure. Come revisit the story that
kicked of a whole new life for the canon cast, and
introduced some new elements to the "Gargoyles"

I thank you for your attention, and for your show of
support over the years my work has been absent from
the net... and hope that this new viewing of my first
dip into writing will continue to entertain and
inspire all my readers.

Yours in Imagination,

Stephen R. Sobotka Jr.
writer/editor/ideaman - "MAintain and Check Six!"

P.S. - A request: if anyone has managed to save a copy
of one of my now "lost" works - "A Manhattan Gargoyle
In King Greggor's Court", I would be very appreciative
if you could send me a copy. Many thanks in advance!

Stephen R. Sobotka Jr. - [ssobotka33616@yahoo.com]
Tampa, FL, USA
Thursday, June 12, 2003 06:29:29 PM

Battle Beast - <Whatt indeed was cyber biotics goingto do with the disks? If they need to hide in a labrynth, then nothing "legal" one wold think..> Better question: did they own that property and if so, who did they buy it from?
Thursday, June 12, 2003 04:50:19 PM

Hey... I'l try to ptos the standigs and gte the contest over with soon... arg... I broke myamr again... 9the samee one. :(

Whatt indeed was cyber biotics goingto do with the disks? If they need to hide in a labrynth, then nothing "legal" one wold think...


Battle Beast
CanadaWednesday, June 11, 2003 11:45:20 PM

Marathon - Enigma, you wouldn't want someone to tape it for you anyways, because Disney always pastes great big honking "Such and such Marathon" logos all over the episode every time you begin the ep and enter from a commercial. It's pretty in your face, as if you could possibly forget this was a marathon showing. Far better to just have someone tape the regular series showings on the weekends, which are four eps total, if you have someone willing to do that.

The show 2 eps in the afternoon, and repeat them at night, then the next two eps the next day, and repeat at night. It would take a little longer, but no huge honkin blurbs over the animation.


Wednesday, June 11, 2003 11:03:52 PM

I've chuckling myself to after reading the question about if the Manhattan clan will ever reach a population of 1 million.

Given Greg's comment about clans splitting up when the reach a population of ~80, I could deduce an estimated maximum population of gargoyles by 2198: 80*13 or 1,040, well short 1 million. Anybody have a rough idea on how long would it take that future gargoyle population to double, barring wide-scale cloning or turning humans into gargoyles?

Wednesday, June 11, 2003 09:23:27 PM

"One has to admire Xanatos for keeping his sang-froid even as Goliath is dangling him over the edge of the battlements; it's refreshing to see an antagonist in an animated cartoon who doesn't plead for mercy in such a situation."
-Knowing Xanatos's character, I would think he probably had a backup plan. Like some sort of bodyguard robot set to catch him should he fall.

Wednesday, June 11, 2003 07:01:10 PM

Watched my tape of "Awakening Part Five" this afternoon, rounding off the opening multi-parter.

One of the parts that I find amusing in it is the scene where Hudson, in the underground base, after searching for the disk, brings his fist down upon the control panel in exasperation and just happens to land it on the right button for releasing the disk. Talk about dumb luck!

I've sometimes wondered what Cyberbiotics was intending to do with the data on the three disks when they developed it; of course, we'll probably never know now. (Probably lots of things, for a number of different products.)

We get more evidence that Demona was lying about being under the Magus's spell for a thousand years. Her bitterness towards the humans is one. Another is the fact that she'd been named by the humans "long ago"; that obviously couldn't have happened if she'd been asleep for the past millennium.

(Incidentally, one thing that occurred to me is that the story about how Demona got her name does run different to the expectations that would arise from her "I am Demona" speech. From the way that she says it, one could quite naturally assume that her name was iven to her by terrified humans whom she had attacked and who saw her as a monstrous demon. Instead, she receives it from a then-ally in testimony of her fighting skills, as "City of Stone" reveals.)

The Goliath-Demona interplay is very effective, particularly Goliath's increasing horror at Demona's vindictiveness, with the clincher being the discovery that Demona was working with the Captain of the Guard to betray the castle. (I also like the touch where the trio and Hudson are watching in horror as Demona announces that all humanity has to be destroyed.)

It certainly says much about Demona's ruthlessness that she was willing to turn the entire human population of Castle Wyvern over to the Vikings simply because they had snubbed the gargoyles (of course, "Vows" indicates that she had more in mind than just "So you won't express gratitude towards us for saving your worthless hides? Then die!"). Small wonder that Goliath was so horrified.

And then we have the scene where Goliath, having to choose between Demona and Elisa when both are falling, saves Elisa - but is still clearly upset about Demona seemingly falling to her doom. A really great sequence.

One has to admire Xanatos for keeping his sang-froid even as Goliath is dangling him over the edge of the battlements; it's refreshing to see an antagonist in an animated cartoon who doesn't plead for mercy in such a situation. I wonder how many people, the first time that they saw "Awakening", believed that Xanatos was going to be a one-shot antagonist and would be out of the series after being taken off to prison? (I know that I was one.)

I LOL at the part where Brooklyn puts on his sunglasses after the fight and all the glass in them falls out, leaving him with just the frames and a not-too-thrilled look on his face.

A great ending to a great series opener.

Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Wednesday, June 11, 2003 06:55:11 PM

Thanks Coldfire. Glad to know I haven't missed it. I hate trying to catch reruns (although, MTV will probably show it a bazillion times).

Finished re-encoding Awakening part 1 and I have hit upon the final specs for my dvds. It looks absofreakin awesome (as it should for 15 hours of encoding time). Now I need 4 more episodes before I make my first dvd. Good thing I don't have a time limit on these. It's gonna take forever. <:)

Nickerous - [nickerous@yahoo.com]
Wednesday, June 11, 2003 06:43:00 PM

Nickerous>> Thanks...so the marathon is on in the middle of the night (9PM-3AM)? That stinks, since I don't know anyone who'd be willing to tape something for me in the middle of the night. I thought the marathon was during the day...silly me, thinking that Disney would actually do something logical.
Wednesday, June 11, 2003 04:52:35 PM

Wow, that is good news on the Spiderman series.
Wednesday, June 11, 2003 04:46:17 PM

Nickerous -- "Last I heard, the Spider-man series was set to debut sometime this summer. I've not heard when yet, but I have been keeping an eye on the tv guide (hope I haven't missed it)."

According to the Big Cartoon Database, Spider-Man is scheduled to premiere on July 11th at 10 p.m. on MTV

Vancouver, BC, Canada
Wednesday, June 11, 2003 01:46:33 PM

The Toon Disney marathon is still on, as far as I know. They were advertising for it during hanging with the heroes last Sunday (not too bad of an ad either). It starts at 9pm and goes until 3am.

Last I heard, the Spider-man series was set to debut sometime this summer. I've not heard when yet, but I have been keeping an eye on the tv guide (hope I haven't missed it).

Finished the first episode of Awakening in dvd-specs and it looks amazing. Still room for improvement, though. I've done another encode with different settings to see if that will improve it. Hopefully so. Later folks!

Nickerous - [nickerous@yahoo.com]
Wednesday, June 11, 2003 01:28:48 PM

Hi everyone!
I know a few weeks ago someone said that Disney had announced a Gargoyles Marathon on Friday the 13th (this Friday). I didn't remember what the times were so I tried to find it on the Toon Disney schedule and it's not there? Does anyone know if it's still on or if it's been canceled or what? (I couldn't find anything on Toon Zone either, but I'm not that familiar with the site)Thanx

Wednesday, June 11, 2003 09:37:56 AM

Wow, anyone have more info on this spiderman series? Like when it's on and stuff.
Wednesday, June 11, 2003 02:35:38 AM

Here's a little news tidbit: Michael Dorn is going to be doing the voice of Kraven the Hunter on an upcoming Spiderman animated series on MTV. The report about it at Comics Continuum mentioned his having done the voice of Coldstone on "Gargoyles".
Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Tuesday, June 10, 2003 07:07:37 PM

Here is a link for a DISNEY cartoon called "Golith II"


(Nothing to do with our show, but the name fits.)


Battle Beast
CanadaTuesday, June 10, 2003 02:47:00 PM

Joe C. writes...

I have a question about all the flying technology. Where are the fuel reservoirs on all these flying machines and armor? Also, the jet exhausts on jet packs you had on the show would obviously let out a lot of heat. What was to protect the people wearing these?

Greg responds...

Artistic license?

Either that or Advanced Technology. As I'm not a mechanical engineer, I'm not sure which.

Look, how about you write me back and tell me how it works. Assume it does work, and then give me an answer how.

Then we'll both be happy.

Wouldn't that violate the "no story ideas" policy?

Tuesday, June 10, 2003 03:35:53 AM

Gathering Update #7


First off, we have been getting quite a few requests for the release of the con's schedule. While a few parts of it are still being tweaked, our convention will pretty much go like this:

(our next update will feature details about events and panels, along with an update about our Con Guests.)

Now, the less fun part of our announcements:


Please, register now. The deadline to pre-register
and save on the at-the-door price of admission is just a few
days away- June 13th is the deadline!

In addition, if you have the time and the energy, we are asking fans
to put up fliers for the con, the newest version of which can be found at: http://lynativerse.artchicks.org/ConFlier.jpg

If you know you can't make it to New York, but you
still want to help us out, a Supporting Membership is
a great way to show your love for the Gathering.
Plus, every supporting member is entered in a random
drawing to receive a free Gathering 2003 T-shirt, the
graphic for which can be found here:

Also on the free-shirt front, did you know that
everyone who signs up for the Dinner Banquet
receives a free Gargoyles hooded sweatshirt, while supplies last.
C'mon folks, you can't buy these things anymore, and
we're *giving* them away. A good meal, a free shirt,
and the chance to ask Greg Weisman a question without
having to wait a year for a response? What more could
you ask for?

(The Banquet is serve-yourself buffet style; kosher and vegan meals are available, please let us know your special needs in advance. The regular Banquet menu can be found here: http://lynativerse.artchicks.org/DinnerBanquet.htm)

And on a final T-shirt note, Gathering shirts of sizes XXL and XXXL, and All sizes of the Othercon t-shirts, are now sold out.


Calling all artists!!!

If you're unable to attend the Gathering, but you'd
still like us to display or sell your art, time's
a-wastin'. The deadline for mailed-in art is June 13;
if you need to send your work ahead of you, please contact
us at us at gathering@gargoyles-fans.org or the snail-mail address.

For those of you wishing to sell your art, please
don't forget to attach a detailed price list. Price
lists should include the following (and keep in mind NY sales
tax just increased to 8.5%)

1. A Flat Price. Choose this option if you do not
wish your art to be auctioned, only sold for set

2. A Minimum Bid, if you wish your art to be sold by
auction only.

You must choose one of these options.

3. (Optional) If you choose to sell your art by
auction, you may also attach a Reserve or Buy Now
Price, for those of you who wish to give your fans the
option to skip the auction process and purchase your
art directly.

4. A short description of the piece, including title,
media, and anything else you feel is relevant.

For those of you who do intend to sell art, either by
mail in or in person, please note that New York has an
8.25% sales tax, so don't forget to take that into
account when setting your prices. The easiest way to
do this is to include sales tax in your pricing. That
way, you can keep your prices to round numbers. For
example, a print priced at $25, remember that the
actual price is $23.10, and the other $1.90 is the
tax. The alternative is to keep a calculator and a
box of change handy.

Again, the deadline for mailed in art is June 13th, so
don't delay, send us those packages now.


And last but not least of the shameless begging, G2003
announces its auction beneficiary: The Gathering 2004.

Falling back on the earliest Gathering traditions, we have decided to make the Gathering of the Gargoyles the sole reason for this year's auction. We will be splitting all proceeds from this straight down the middle, to help give G2004 the kind of head start it needs.

But we can't do it without your help. Without your
generous donations, there's nothing to auction. So,
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Tuesday, June 10, 2003 12:28:31 AM

Wingless: Actually, scheduling issues have forced a few Othercon events into the light of day, so to speak.
Go lookit the con skedj to see what I mean. But the premise be still tha same.

*points up*

Tuesday, June 10, 2003 12:27:23 AM

Oh. oops. sorry about that <:\
Monday, June 9, 2003 10:47:12 PM

[If I remember correctly, Queen Mab was one of Merlin's main antagonists.]

That was strictly the NBC Merlin miniseries in 1998; Mab doesn't appear in any of the primary sources for Arthurian legend.

Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Monday, June 9, 2003 09:51:41 PM

If I remember correctly, Queen Mab was one of Merlin's main antagonists.

Great googally-moogally! I just found another capture program to test out. It quadruples the quality! Instead of taking 4.something gigs of memory for one avi episode of Gargoyles, this program captures one episode at 26 Gigs!!!! 26!!! hoohah!!! I think I just how to get my dvd specs. ^_^

Nickerous - [nickerous@yahoo.com]
Monday, June 9, 2003 08:43:54 PM

RAC]---"Was Queen Mab in any literature or just someone Greg thought of?"

She was mentioned in Romeo and Juliet Act one Scene four. Roemo and his friends were talking about dreams and Mercutio told him that Queen Mab had visted him. she was described as a tiny little faerie.

Spacebabie - [LadyAndromeda@smstars.zzn.com]
Orlando, Florida, U.S.A
Monday, June 9, 2003 06:02:43 PM


After reading you posts, I started to wonder if Goliath didn't have the convience of meeting Elisa, (who already put a gun on Bronx,terrified when she saw Goliath, and promptly fell off the building), and rescuing her shortly after, would they have given each other a chance at introductions or would they be running in opposite directions (well,Elisa at least)?

In Eps.4, after Elisa ran into the watershed and found her weapon empty, it still sounds like she's saying damn. I know Greg said it was never in the script but it still sounds like damn to me.

Was Queen Mab in any literature or just someone Greg thought of? And when would she return,before or after the Goliath & Co. woke up?

And Xanatos's company being larger than some small countries.

Troy, NY, USA
Monday, June 9, 2003 05:27:00 PM

Wingless> OtherCon is the more mature audiences oriented side of the Gathering. It takes place late at night, and in special, screened off areas of the convention.

Aaron - [JCarnage@Yahoo.com]
Monday, June 9, 2003 05:07:45 PM

Pardon my ignorance-but I'm about to fill out registration for the Gathering and there's a question of whether or not I want to attend Othercon. What is it exactly-and when & where does it take place.

thanks for your help.

Wingless - [canclan@rogers.com]
Monday, June 9, 2003 11:11:14 AM



Battle Beast
CcanadaMonday, June 9, 2003 10:41:46 AM

9th !, wow I still made it in :)
Philly, Pa
Monday, June 9, 2003 08:58:35 AM


Phil - [p1anderson@go.com]
Monday, June 9, 2003 08:35:08 AM

My thoughts on "Awakening Part Four", delayed from last evening (because the room was only a little away from clearing).

One thing that occurs to me is that Xanatos's story about Demona's fate could be seen as another hint (alongside other matters that I'll get to in a moment) that Demona was lying about having been in stone sleep for a thousand years. He said that he brought Demona to the castle because he figured that doing so would break the Magus's spell upon her. But in fact, the terms of the Magus's spell were that the gargoyles would sleep until the castle rose above the clouds, with no mention of whether the gargoyles were there with it or not. In that case, placing Castle Wyvern atop the Eyrie Building would automatically undo the Magus's spell upon Demona, if it had been cast upon her; there would be no need to bring her to the castle to awaken her. I wonder if that was deliberate on the scriptwriters' part as a hint about Xanatos and Demona not telling the truth.

We get a more definite hint in Demona's attitude towards humans aboard Fortress-One (complete with even attempting to kill one of the guards by throwing him out of the airship). Although Demona was already not very fond of humans at the time of the sack of Castle Wyvern, what she displays there is a level of hatred that you couldn't have gotten by spending a thousand years in stone sleep. (And there's an even bigger hint in "Awakening Part Five" that she hadn't been asleep all that time, but I'm saving that for when I actually get to Part Five.)

Incidentally, the shots of the exterior of the airship (especially the scene where the camera moves across the "Cyberbiotics" logo on the side) are especially good.

I still get a chuckle out of the scene where Brooklyn hails that taxi-cab. And out of the bit where Bronx gets named by Brooklyn, responds to it with a "hrmph", and walks off, to which Lexington comments "I think he likes it." And out of the scene where Hudson's channel-surfing, reaches a dog-food commercial, the dog in it barks, and Bronx starts promptly growling. (I was also amused to notice that Bronx was sitting or lying on some sort of couch in that scene; I don't know if he's officially allowed up there, but if Bronx wants up on the furniture, I doubt that anybody's going to stop him - kind of like the joke about where a 500-pound gorilla lies down.)

I'd also wondered if Queen Mab's return had anything to do with all those heroes being awakened, particularly since she strikes me as being likely danger to everybody, not just to the Third Race. (The evidence is that she was already extremely wild and unpredictable even before Oberon overthrew her, and I doubt that all those millennia of imprisonment have improved matters any.)

Todd Jensen - [merlyn1@mindspring.com]
St. Louis, MO
Monday, June 9, 2003 07:12:51 AM


just to start a topic in here this week, i was wondering if anyone else had any thoughts about why in the Gargoyles Universe all these heroes are being awakened and whatnot. as many of you know Greg has mentioned that there is a reason. my best guess was possibly to combat the return of Mab, maybe? kinda makes sense that Avalon made the Grimorum unltimately fall into the hands of Xanatos, which woke Goliath and then Goliath & Co wake Arthur and then Avalon sends Goliath and Co around the world waking and creating other heroes. its like Avalon is preparing itself or something?
anyone else have any cool ideas?

Monday, June 9, 2003 06:29:13 AM

Fifth in the name of stressed out college students on the verge of failing their finals. T-6.5 hours until round one with Chemistry. Then 6 hours later, Round two with Calculus. Then the next day, it's Spanish to finish it off. Followed by a paper about race relations in Latin America.

I love college, but I HATE school.

Monday, June 9, 2003 03:38:57 AM

Fourth in the name of cheese!
Demona Taina - [demona3@hotmail.com]
Monday, June 9, 2003 03:12:43 AM

Monday, June 9, 2003 01:01:49 AM

*plants a flag waving #2 in the name of logic*
Monday, June 9, 2003 12:15:54 AM

Well, This is a surprise

Monday, June 9, 2003 12:06:31 AM

Probably Second by now. :p
Monday, June 9, 2003 12:05:12 AM