Comment Room Archive : Gargoyles : Station Eight

I'll confess that I was fooled; I didn't even realize that the blonde woman was Elisa until she took off her wig. (For that matter, the first time that I saw "Hunter's Moon Part One", her disguise on the subway fooled me again.)

I seem to be better at spotting some disguises than others. It wasn't until "The Gathering Part One" that I started suspecting that Owen might be Puck in disguise, for example; on the other hand, I suspected from the very first time that I saw "The Journey" that Castaway had *some* connection to the Canmores (though I don't know if I immediately thought "Jon Canmore").
Todd Jensen
"Human problems become gargoyle problems" - Goliath, M.I.A.
posted @ Sat, Sep 17, 2005 7:04:33 pm EDT from 4.245.21.166

keep in mind that its not like they were standing right next to Elisa, she was on the other side of the Clocktower coming up the stairs. its unlikely they could smell here all the way over there and they could not see her that well either. they just saw a blond woman come up the stairs, and were concerned appropriately. Dracon was standing right in front of her, face to face. i'm sure if the Trio and Angela had been standing in front of her they could have known, based on scent or looks or whatever.
another thought is that she IS a different species. not a great argument, but something to consider. if you have a pet German Shepard dog you can certaintly tell him/her apart from other German Shepards, but what if your dog suddenly had a different coat color? you might figure it out, but i doubt you'd instantly see through the disguise...
matt - [ewoks11@hotmail.com]
posted @ Sat, Sep 17, 2005 12:08:13 pm EDT from 66.189.238.57

Patrick-- On that note, in costume or not, they should know Elisa by scent, no? I don't recall what, if anything, Greg has said regarding a gargoyle's sense of smell, but I DO recall Brooklyn sniffing at Elisa in Awakenings...
Kythera of Anevern - [kythera(at)gmail.com]
"Live for glory, strength and fury; play your part in the greater scheme of life and nature"
posted @ Sat, Sep 17, 2005 10:54:41 am EDT from 24.130.164.223

Todd > I didn't really mind seeing the Trio behave like complete spazzes around Angela. It was bound to happen and at least they got most of it out of the way in one episode, rather than turning it into an ongoing theme. No, what I found more laughable was the Lois Lane moment the Trio had with Elisa. As if merely wearing a wig makes her unrecognizable to her friends. Tony Dracon wasn't fooled. Why was the clan?

80 days left until Gargoyles Season 2, Volume 1 comes to DVD.
Patrick
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." - Inigo Montoya, "The Princess Bride"
posted @ Sat, Sep 17, 2005 8:25:42 am EDT from 68.170.199.45

Happy birthday, Crzy!
Spen
If you think there's good in everybody, you havn't met everybody.
posted @ Fri, Sep 16, 2005 9:59:22 pm EDT from 207.177.11.252

Oddball discovery of the day (that's linked - if remotely - to "Gargoyles): I discovered a manga adaptation of Shakespeare's "Macbeth" in a bookstore today, set in a bizarre technofeudal Scotland where the Scottish warriors ride about on dragonlike beasts and the Weird Sisters wear robot-like masks. It preserves the original lines from Shakespeare's play (no Shakespeare adaptation could be truly Shakespearean without it), but opens with a caption about Duncan's war with Macdonwald beginning: "Stardate: 1040".
Todd Jensen
"Human problems become gargoyle problems" - Goliath, M.I.A.
posted @ Fri, Sep 16, 2005 6:45:44 pm EDT from 4.244.18.32

[off-topicness]

Today... is our own CrzyDemona's birthday! Click my name if you'd like to sign her birthday card. ^_^

Happy Birthday, Jen!

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Kythera of Anevern - [kythera(at)gmail.com]
"Live for glory, strength and fury; play your part in the greater scheme of life and nature"
posted @ Fri, Sep 16, 2005 10:06:17 am EDT from 24.130.164.223

PATRICK - Just out of curiosity, do you consider the trio's behaving almost like the Three Stooges with wings in "Turf" one of the laughable moments? Or did you find that believable, given that they were three adolescent males who (as Elisa points out) hadn't been around an attractive female gargoyle for a thousand years and who were naturally going to find their hormones running away from them in the most humiliating manner?
Todd Jensen
"Human problems become gargoyle problems" - Goliath, M.I.A.
posted @ Fri, Sep 16, 2005 8:21:49 am EDT from 4.244.12.117

There were a lot of details in "Turf" that were laughable, but the biggest one to me was the idea that any prison would take two guys who were in rival gangs and make them cellmates. Most prisons don't even want guys like that in the same cellblock. The goal is to minimize the potential for trouble between inmates, not guarantee it.

82 days left until Gargoyles Season 2, Volume 1 comes to DVD.
Patrick Toman
"That's all it takes, really. Pressure and time. That and a big damn poster." - Red, "The Shawshank Redemption"
posted @ Thu, Sep 15, 2005 10:43:31 pm EDT from 24.106.122.217

Harvester: I think the guards would keep an eye on them specifically so they don't do that. Brode and Dracon certainly wouldn't make peace right away. But after awhile word might get around the cell block that they both lost it all to gargoyles, and then they'd have something to talk about...

Todd: I don't think Glasses is a big enough player. Somebody bigger's going to take him on. But he's not dumb and I'm sure he'll swear fealty to whoever and continue "business as normal".
And Dracon, I imagine he'll find someway to make his mafia skills marketable. Tony Dracon, PI? Tony Dracon, VICE? Tony Dracon, FBI Anti-crime task force?
CKayote - [CKayote@worldnet.att.net]
If all things are true, then someone is actually taking all my left socks!
posted @ Thu, Sep 15, 2005 10:13:10 pm EDT from 64.192.79.207

The thing that I'm curious about "Turf", I'll admit, is what would happen both with Dracon and with the organized crime situation after this episode. Greg's indicated that Tony was pretty much out of business by the end of "Turf" (it's a mark of his declining influence that he wasn't even out on bail this time around, as he was in "The Silver Falcon" and "Protection"). So what would he be be doing next? (I certainly can't imagine him being dropped from the series just like that; he'd been around from too early on to be treated that casually.) And also, who'd be the new antagonist for future organized crime stories? Would someone else move into the vacancy left by Dracon (Glasses, maybe - Greg mentioned at "Ask Greg" that he saw Glasses becoming a leader rather than a follower, and in "Turf", Glasses comes across during the confrontation on the train as not too concerned over the prospect of Brod bumping off Tony - maybe he's hoping to fill Dracon's boots), or would there be a number of smaller syndicate leaders now? At least the comic will probably answer that.
Todd Jensen
"Human problems become gargoyle problems" - Goliath, M.I.A.
posted @ Thu, Sep 15, 2005 6:42:48 pm EDT from 4.244.12.135

CKayote: First, Dracon and Brode would have to accept the fact that they were cellmates, and finally stop wailing on each other long enough to realize that they at least had that to discuss. In theory, I think that even those two might eventually realize there was no way out of their situation, so they might as well try to make the most of it. But I think the ending to "Turf" was another detail that slipped the minds of the production staff. I doubt they'd put two people like Dracon and Brode into the same cell, because I don't think the Penal System intentionally bunks together people with such intense loathing for one another. They might call roll one morning and find that one has shivved the other during the night.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75@gmail.com]
"Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us." -Bill Watterson.
posted @ Thu, Sep 15, 2005 3:24:19 pm EDT from 69.174.1.148

Harvester: Thanks for the link. I was juts being sarcastic there, but considering

"Largely, she didn't. And that created trust problems with Chavez. Unfortunately, I didn't really have the time to deal with those problems. So I partially used TURF to reaffirm her committment to the job."

I think my point actually may be valid.

But I also agree with Todd: details like that can get slipped in production or ignored because there isn't time to explain them. May be Greg will touch on it in the comic?

Considering that Dracon would probably keep tabs on his favorite detective, I imagine he found out pretty quickly after she disappeared. I wonder what he thinks/thought about all that. Especailly if he and Brode get to talking in prison.
CKayote - [CKayote@worldnet.att.net]
If all things are true, then someone is actually taking all my left socks!
posted @ Thu, Sep 15, 2005 12:07:37 pm EDT from 64.192.79.207

For anybody who has been interested in purchasing the Anime 3x3 Eyes, you might want to take advantage of this offer: Right Stuf is selling the complete box set for only $25! Click on my name for more information.

For those of you who don't know, Greg was the voice director for the dub which features many of the talents from Gargoyles, including Thom Adcox, Edward Asner, Brigitte Bako, Keith David, and Bill Fagerbakke.
IRC Goliath - [goliath1 [at] pacbell [dot] net]
Shounen yo! Kiitekure! Ningen nante taishita mon janaisa.
posted @ Wed, Sep 14, 2005 8:25:40 pm EDT from 209.234.142.80

LORD GARGFAN - I don't think that you'd really want the job if you saw a lot of the questions, since they're too often very frustrating ones. People keep on asking the same thing over and over again, or ask questions that have nothing to do with "Gargoyles" or Greg's career (such as what is the highest point in North America or who Sarah Bernhardt was) in a way that suggests that they've gotten it confused with "Ask Jeeves" or submit questions that are blatantly obvious ideas in disguise. And there are many questions that could have been answered by simply applying a little common sense and research(such as today's query as to what the definition of "magic" is).

I've seldom laughed at the questions (though I've often laughed at Greg's answers), but one that does amuse me was a case of someone wanting to know about Lexington's mate, and what she was like. The person submitted the question before the Gathering 2003, and thus couldn't have known that Greg had planned for Lexington to be gay, but since the question reached Greg well after the 2003 Gathering, its choice of pronoun for Lex's future mate had become (through no fault of the person who had asked it) out of date.
Todd Jensen
"Human problems become gargoyle problems" - Goliath, M.I.A.
posted @ Wed, Sep 14, 2005 7:05:31 pm EDT from 4.244.12.158

Sorry to get off topic with this conversation, but I couldn't resist.

Todd>>You OK the questions for Ask Greg, right? After seeing the most recent response, I had to wonder: Do you ever laugh at some of these questions or cry whenever you let them through? I'd honestly LOVE to have your job and see all those questions.
Lord GargFan
posted @ Wed, Sep 14, 2005 6:52:46 pm EDT from 67.185.229.228

The most likely solution (and yes, I know that it's a cop-out one) is that the whole issue slipped the minds of both Greg Weisman and the rest of the Gargoyles production team at the time that they were making this episode. Which does seem all the more probable to me since (as best as I can remember) this is the first time that anyone's brought that issue up here, over ten years after "Deadly Force" first aired, and if it took a little over ten years for us to notice it, it's reasonable that the production team missed it, since they were working on it for far less than that time (most likely just a few months).

Maybe Greg's got an answer for it even now if we were to ask him (though, until the queue at "Ask Greg" gets a lot shorter or Gorebash redesigns it to provide a way of shunting away all the "already-been-asked-questions" to their own queue, I wouldn't advise submitting that one).
Todd Jensen
"Human problems become gargoyle problems" - Goliath, M.I.A.
posted @ Wed, Sep 14, 2005 6:48:08 pm EDT from 4.244.12.94

Broadway left the gun where he tossed it on the floor. the thing is, no matter what story Elisa tells Chavez there are inconsistencies. is she shot herself how'd she get to the hospital? if Dracon or a criminal shot her with her own gun why'd they take her to the hospital? i also believe its possible that Dracon would be the kind of criminal (or run the kind of organization) that would shoot her and then drop her at a hospital. shooting a cop is a big deal, killing a cop is even worse. i think a criminal like Dracon could shoot her or have her shot as a warning to the NYPD, but want her to live so the NYPD doesn't destroy him. Dracon is a smart guy, he pushes the limits, but stays on his side of the line.
now obviously, this didn't happen, but Elisa didn't want to falsely accuse him of it even if she does hate him, shes not like that. so she tells Chavez she shot herself accidently... ok. but how the hell did she get to the hospital? i guess the best she could do is say she doesn't remember, which everyone could easily believe and everyone could assume some good samaritan somehow got into her apartment and took her to the hospital. Broadway went in and out the window, and most likely a stranger would use the door. anyone know if they saw Elisa lock her door when she came in?
matt - [ewoks11@hotmail.com]
posted @ Wed, Sep 14, 2005 5:20:51 pm EDT from 150.201.33.53

Elisa's Gun>> Where did Broadway leave it? See, if it were found several feet away from Elisa's bloodstain, there were evidence that it recently discharged, and neighbors report only hearing one gunshot, it would seem highly likely that someone shot her with her own gun. I presume the gun can be IDed by serial number, and that the invesigators would visit Elisa's apartment in the process of tracing her movements that fateful night.
JJ Gregarius
Like the man said, "There are no problems; only solutions!"
posted @ Wed, Sep 14, 2005 2:49:20 pm EDT from 64.192.73.135

LOL! It was hardly an idea :) I was just being random ^_^
IRC Goliath - [goliath1 [at] pacbell [dot] net]
To those who loved this world once before and spent time with its friends, gather again and devote your time...
posted @ Wed, Sep 14, 2005 12:57:15 pm EDT from 209.234.142.80

CKayote: Greg has sort of explained what happened when Elisa got back from the World Tour. There's one link in my name, and another below:

http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?sid=334789&qid=4548

I also like IRC Goliath's idea. If I could find a WWDD bracelet somewhere, I'd buy several. Of course, that might create problems with a few people I know, given the radical contrasts between the personalities of Jesus and Demona.

And it seems I've joined the Deadly Force discussion a little late. I never got the impression from that episode that guns are bad, simply that they need to be treated with respect like anything dangerous. As for Chavez's theory in that episode, I can see why she'd come up with it. Dracon respresents the organized crime element in New York, and judging from what little we did know about his personality at that point, it's not inconceivable that he might want to be a little artistic about something like shooting a cop.

Besides, if Dracon wasn't a suspect, we'd have lost that fantastic scene between Goliath, Broadway, and Dracon in the warehouse. One of the few times in the series that Goliath was ready and willing to kill someone.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75@gmail.com]
"Serving humans is fun. They have a sense of humor. You have none." -Puck, speaking to Demona.
posted @ Wed, Sep 14, 2005 10:12:08 am EDT from 69.174.1.148

Deadly Force>Dracon always humored me in the way that he would have a twisted sense of humor. I don't think that Chavez didn't believe this too. His idea of a joke would be to shoot a cop with her own gun and then, instead of leaving her to die, to put her onto a hospital stretcher. I honestly could say that I could see a criminal doing this.

Now, after Patrick made that CSI comment, I can't help but see a CSI/Gargoyles crossover-remake of "Deadly Force". Although I've never actually seen the show, from the reviews of Quentin Tarintino's episode, I'd have to pick him to direct that one.

"The fingerprints are so smudged they barely look human."
"That's impossible! Maybe it was one of those gargoyle things."
(all in room laugh)
"Sure, and they're really all living above the clock tower."
(this taking place in an alternate continuity reality, the clock tower explosion from "Hunter's Moon" would take place now)
Lord GargFan
posted @ Tue, Sep 13, 2005 6:51:40 pm EDT from 67.185.229.228

Greetings all...

BISHANSKY - What they said... damn, I wish I'd thought of that! ^_^

Now then... the results for the last Gargoyles Monthly Caption Contest are now posted to my LiveJournal. Congrats to the winners, and good luck to the participants for the new contest!

http://www.livejournal.com/users/stephenrsjr/13748.html

Maintain and Check Six!
Stephen Sobotka Jr
"She's a NICE lady.... Eeeugh!"
posted @ Tue, Sep 13, 2005 12:42:45 pm EDT from 24.28.10.202

One of these days IA is going to have a nice long chat with Elisa. Either that or she had 6 months of vacation time stored up for the world tour.
I personally don't think it would too far for the wiseguys to shoot Elisa in her apartment and ditch her on the stretcher if Dracon had wanted her to live.
As for Chavez knowing it was Elisa's gun Perhaps they'd already been to her apartment, and found it on the floor with only one round missing. Chavez is a good cop and she put two and two together. As for the gun still being there, it would relate to Dracon wanting to make a statement.

Bishansky: Did you make that up? It's good. If it's yours, you should put it on a T-Shirt for a Gathering.
CKayote - [CKayote@worldnet.att.net]
If all things are true, then someone is actually taking all my left socks!
posted @ Tue, Sep 13, 2005 10:08:45 am EDT from 64.192.79.207

While we're on the topic of Elisa and her gun, I wonder what she's telling the people in charge of police equipment about why she needs a new gun every few months. I mean, she obviously can't explain to them that at least two of her guns have been smashed by living gargoyles, a third gun by a guy in gargoyle armor, and a fourth was melted down to become part of a bell to use against a Shakespearean faerie lord.
Todd Jensen
"Human problems become gargoyle problems" - Goliath, M.I.A.
posted @ Tue, Sep 13, 2005 7:55:32 am EDT from 4.244.12.27

A better question might be how did Captain Chavez know so quickly that Elisa had been shot with her own gun. Contrary to what "C.S.I." may have us believe, you can't recover a bullet from a shooting victim, run a balistics test, and have the results on the chief's desk before the victim has left the O.R.

84 days left until Gargoyles Season 2, Volume 1 comes to DVD.
Patrick
"No flag, no country. Those are the rules that I just made up!" - Eddie Izzard
posted @ Tue, Sep 13, 2005 6:42:48 am EDT from 68.170.199.45

Jurgan ~ I see what you mean.
I figured that Captain Chavez just said that so they could point the finger at some one to get things moving and since Elisa was already investigating him it made enough sence that nobody cared and only heard... Elisa shot by her own gun, the last person that didn't want her invesigating him was Tony Dracon... So he must have done it. That can happen when some one you care about gets hurt, selective hearing goes into effect some times.
Ezmeralda - [Ezmeralda@mediablvd.com]
posted @ Mon, Sep 12, 2005 11:28:40 pm EDT from 24.118.56.52

Jurgan>hehe Now that I think about it that is kind of interesting. ALthough it was a show for children back them so they probally wanted to make it simple so kids could get the message which was don't play with guns or you will hurt a loved one. Or something of the sort. Love that episode.
Shara - [jeanie54_2000@yahoo.com]
posted @ Mon, Sep 12, 2005 10:26:59 pm EDT from 209.179.250.197

Now that the room's cleared, I've got a quibble that's been bugging me for about as long as I can remember. Actually, quibble really isn't the word, since it seems to fly squarely in the face of reason, so I'd appreciate it if someone can make sense of it for me.

In "Deadly Force," Broadway accidentally shoots Elisa and flies her to the hospital. The paramedics find her and soon Captain Chavez is aware of it. She suggests that Tony Dracon or one of his men broke into her apartment and shot her with her own gun. All well and good, except that if that were the case, how in the name of E--n P-x would she have gotten to the hospital? Did Chavez believe that Dracon shot her in her apartment, carried her out, and drove her to the hospital? And all without anyone seeing him do it (never mind the question of why)? A more likely theory would be that she was shot on the street, but when they inevitably discovered that it was her own gun that did it, what possible conclusion could they reach? Someone stole her gun, shot her on the street, and then ditched it in her apartment? Why not just drop it in the river? The explanation that she gave hardly makes any more sense, because, if she shot herself by accident in her apartment, how did she get to the hospital? If it happened on the streets, how did the gun get back to her apartment? My brain is running loops over this one and I can't get anywhere with it. Please, if anyone can rationalize this (hey, we've been talking about rationalization anyway), let me know.
Jurgan - [jurgan6@yahoo.com]
"Note well an endlessness of little dogs, receding to progressive diminution to a revelation of the ultimate truth... Beyond the last visible dog." Russell Hoban, A Mouse and His Child
posted @ Mon, Sep 12, 2005 9:14:43 pm EDT from 68.58.251.233

Thanks for the publicity, Guandalug. (I might be adding one or two things to the Tidbits section of those four reviews, of course, if the audio commentary on the upcoming DVD has any interesting new "behind-the-scenes" tidbits.) Interesting timing, by the way, coming as it does right in the middle of a Demona discussion.

Of course, the mention of Puck's little present to Demona reminds me of that crazy creativity demon that I once had where somebody captures Demona, finds out about her turning into a human in the daytime, and promptly puts her on display, charging admission to see her transformations. (When I mentioned that idea here once before, I almost immediately got a lot of questions along the lines of "This guy making Demona into a live exhibit - he's a eunuch, right?")
Todd Jensen
"Human problems become gargoyle problems" - Goliath, M.I.A.
posted @ Mon, Sep 12, 2005 7:11:01 pm EDT from 4.245.18.99

"What would Demona do if she were here right now?
She's rationalize her flaws and follow through
That's what Demona would do

"So what would Demona do if she were here today?
I'm sure she'd kick and ass or two,
That's what Demona would do!"
Greg Bishansky
I am so going to the Special Hell
posted @ Mon, Sep 12, 2005 2:50:50 pm EDT from 69.118.108.212

The Todd Jensen Review Show continues.... with all for episodes of "City of stone" getting a brand-new, nearly unread review. Watch more of this coming out after the break.... :)
Guandalug la'Fay - [guandalug@gargoyles-fans.org]
posted @ Mon, Sep 12, 2005 1:16:36 pm EDT from 80.145.13.214

WWDD?
IRC Goliath - [goliath1 [at] pacbell [dot] net]
Believe it!
posted @ Mon, Sep 12, 2005 12:09:23 pm EDT from 209.234.142.80

Todd, HoE: I don't think Demona is capable of losing her self-deception. She's far to good at avoiding self-doubt. If anything at all, it might just morph into a new form.
As for Ishimura, I think she would see it as Wyvern-esqe. Ungrateful humans exploiting a gargoyle clan. The whole living in peace thing is just a lie they force themselves to believe (a little self-projection).
Demona's transformation: I agree that the she probably went through the stages of grief. Anger predominating. As for Xanatos, I don't think Owen would have told him. Xanatos probably asked where Owen went, and I think he might have got an out-of-character response along the lines of "You know, I do have a life outside this office".
But he probably found out on his fairly soon. I can't think he wouldn't have people keeping tabs on Demona.
CKayote - [CKayote@worldnet.att.net]
If all things are true, then someone is actually taking all my left socks!
posted @ Mon, Sep 12, 2005 11:46:46 am EDT from 64.192.79.207

Todd: I've always felt that Demona probably went through a lengthy period of denial after "The Mirror." I've never hated a species for a thousand years, and then had a trickster put a spell on me that turns me into what I've been hating for a millenium during the day, so I can only speculate as to what that would do to someone. But I imagine that she probably went through the stages one goes through when dealing with loss, though I imagine that Denial and Anger probably happened at roughly the same time and lasted the longest (I think the Acceptance part became a little easier once she realized how she might be able to use her transformation to help her in her goals).

I know that the gargoyles didn't find out until after "High Noon" what had happened to her, but I wonder how long Xanatos knew. But I guess if Owen had told him before "City of Stone," he might have been more reluctant to grant her access to Packmedia Studios. Unless he had weighed what she'd done in "The Mirror" against his desire for immortality first.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75@gmail.com]
"I'm happy when life's good, and when it's bad I cry. I have values but I don't know how or why."
posted @ Mon, Sep 12, 2005 10:12:28 am EDT from 69.174.1.148

I think that Demona would *have* to rationalize away any evidence that she ever found of humans being able to live in peace with gargoyles, since her belief that such a thing is impossible is perhaps the cornerstone of her existence for the past nine hundred years or so (it should be a thousand, I know, but I don't think that she completely gave up on the concept until after her alliance with Macbeth broke up in 1057). As long as she holds to that opinion, she can blame all of her troubles on the humans instead of on her own actions. I suspect that if she ever did reach the point where she *had* to acknowledge that humans could accept gargoyles, it would be such a tremendous blow to her (especially the realization that she'd wasted so many centuries of her life hating the species and wanting to wipe it out) that she'd probably suffer a complete breakdown. What's left of her sanity depends on her self-deception.
Todd Jensen
"Human problems become gargoyle problems" - Goliath, M.I.A.
posted @ Mon, Sep 12, 2005 8:02:20 am EDT from 4.244.12.198

Tenth!!

I was informed yesterday that I lost my uncle, so I'll not be around much the next couple days. Don't worry though, I'll bounce back.
Blessed be everyone.
Renee
If all the world's a stage, please help me find my script.
posted @ Mon, Sep 12, 2005 7:45:08 am EDT from 68.47.20.162

9th!!
dph
Whatever happenned to simplicity?
posted @ Mon, Sep 12, 2005 1:52:09 am EDT from 63.232.248.216

8th!
Vertigo1 - [md2389@gmail.com]
"I reject your reality and substitute my own!" - Adam Savage (Mythbusters)
posted @ Mon, Sep 12, 2005 1:22:18 am EDT from 193.251.169.170

been months and i still end up

...7TH!!!!
matt - [ewoks11@hotmail.com]
posted @ Mon, Sep 12, 2005 1:01:40 am EDT from 66.189.238.57

Oh, Demona would rationalize it for herself.

She's not the most logical and rational of people.
Greg Bishansky
I am so going to the Special Hell
posted @ Mon, Sep 12, 2005 12:26:23 am EDT from 69.118.108.212

Fifth!
Asatira
posted @ Mon, Sep 12, 2005 12:18:34 am EDT from 66.168.247.132

And I just wanted to say that if Demona ever did find out about Ishimura, she'd come up with some explanation to try to write off what she was seeing. And if they aren't exceptions, then I think the theory she'd most likely come up with is that the Ishimuran gargoyles are no longer true gargoyles, because they've been "corrupted by the humans."
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75@gmail.com]
posted @ Mon, Sep 12, 2005 12:12:36 am EDT from 69.174.1.148

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