Comment Room Archive : Gargoyles : Station Eight

Actually, I fear fucking-A might refer to anal intercourse...
In your minds, please replace "fucking-A" with "fucking."

BTW, today is the first time I wrote "fuck" on a computer network system. Yeah. I've alluded to consentual sex between a humanoid alien and a heavily anthropomorphised rabbit before(and the passage did have a highly indirect relation to Gargoyles!), but I've never actually written the word "fuck."

Well, go fuck me, then.

--JJ
JJ Gregarius
Like the man said, "There are no problems; only solutions!"
posted @ Sun, Apr 30, 2006 11:31:12 pm EDT from 206.57.92.155

Matt> Sorry for the double post, but another example of a gargoyle curse phrase is "By the Dragon!" I think its supposed to be like oh my god or holy shit, I wonder if gargoyles revere dragons. I heard this phrase used by Iago when he had possession of Brooklyn's body
Dragomir
"Don't hate me because I'm devious," Demona cues as she strikes an enticing pose for her adoring fans!
posted @ Sun, Apr 30, 2006 11:12:16 pm EDT from 71.192.76.212

JJ> Agreed. I believe someone's mother was emntioned too. Thats not too good. The word itself is harmless, but like all words the context can be hurtful or vulgar. I mean if I said "Your breath smells like dog feces." I didn't use a "bad" word, but it was a lot more vulgar than saying "What the fuck is going on?" which shouldn't offend anyone IMHO.
Matt - [Cape Girardeau, MIssouri, USA]
"It took me fifteen years to discover that I had no talent for writing, but I couldn't give it up because by that time I was too famous." - Robert Benchley
posted @ Sun, Apr 30, 2006 11:10:39 pm EDT from 150.201.114.132

Everyone> I remember reading somewhere that gargoyles originally walked around without any clothing, but began wearing clothing so as to not offend the prudish humans they protected. They even allowed a spell to cast upon them so that they're clothes would remain intact after awakening from stone sleep (naked Demona and Angela...must resist...dirty thoughts...slap...thanks Demona, needed that). I Like Angela's new outfit, makes her look more mature and less naive. And of course,I ADORE Demona's look, though I think she'd look good in anything. Have a good night everyone!
Dragomir
"Don't hate me because I'm devious," Demona cues as she strikes an enticing pose for her adoring fans!
posted @ Sun, Apr 30, 2006 11:09:46 pm EDT from 71.192.76.212

Actually, it was about raping innocent animals (and plants?!??)
There's a difference between saying "fucking-A" and "it fucked your dog," you know what I mean?
--JJ
JJ Gregarius
Like the man said, "There are no problems; only solutions!"
posted @ Sun, Apr 30, 2006 11:05:11 pm EDT from 206.57.92.155

Ok, I'm back... What did I miss?

Oh, it got so slow we decided to argue about the word fuck. Swell... In the words of Eric Cartman. "It doesn't hurt any body. Fuck, fuckety-fuck fuck fuck. See?"

Sorry, in all honesty.I don't think its a big deal, and I don't recall there being a list of rules/guidelines for behavior in here besides the ones I mentioned a few weeks ago. The only Gargoyles curse words I recognize are "Jalpena" and E**n P*x... It'd be hilarious if something bad happened to the Clan in the comic and somebody said "What the E**n P*x is going on?!"
Matt - [Cape Girardeau, MIssouri, USA]
"It took me fifteen years to discover that I had no talent for writing, but I couldn't give it up because by that time I was too famous." - Robert Benchley
posted @ Sun, Apr 30, 2006 10:58:14 pm EDT from 150.201.114.132

Greg: Your did hit it on the nail greg. There are more and more rude documentaries on tv, how this nation is becoming obsessively uncouth. The war ain't pretty, and so many people are extremely angry and vulgar at the gas prices. We are quite backwards, considering bit** or s**t will get you a go to jail card. But the world's alot vulgar then it was 10 years ago. I'm still nodding my head at the confusion, i don't think i'm supposed to get it.
Dan
posted @ Sun, Apr 30, 2006 3:19:26 pm EDT from 68.42.25.193

Blaqthorne: I wasn't defending my actions. Just clarifying a few things. If there's consequences, I'll face them on my feet. But relax, I'm back to my bitter old self, so you shouldn't see a repeat, unless they eventually release the extended director's cut of "Silent Hill" on DVD. And even then, you might be safe. One of the shortcomings of the theatrical release was that it was longer than it had to be. And I'm actually 25. I was just making reference to something that happened a few weeks ago. ( ;

Dieter: Strange thing, that. A lot of those episodes have gotten better now that ten years have passed.

Reno: An aerodynamics discussion might be welcomed. This week was rather slow, after all. If I remember correctly, we once discussed the physics behind the Eyrie Building.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75@gmail.com]
"Funny how the whole world, historically, feels the urge to chase the sun to rest. We may not be coming back." -Ian Anderson.
posted @ Sun, Apr 30, 2006 9:20:05 am EDT from 69.174.3.196

Okay, in all seriousness, Blaqthorne, you need to calm down. It's just four letters. Was it for this CR, well, maybe, but that's Gore's call. Not yours.

And while I'm here, I have never understood why the use of certain four letter words causes people to freak out some times. It's just four letters. Just, one simple little word. No one dies from them.

You want to see a real vulgarity?

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/04/29/iraq.main/index.html

I'd say that's something worth getting worked up over more than say, Harvester's use of the English language
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The Tenth Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
Each year, the Rainforest is responsible for over three thousand deaths from accidents, attacks or illnesses. There are over seven hundred things in the Rainforest that cause cancer. Join the fight now and help stop the Rainforest before it's too late.
posted @ Sun, Apr 30, 2006 9:05:29 am EDT from 68.202.14.214

Oh, won't someone please think of the children!!!
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The Tenth Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
Each year, the Rainforest is responsible for over three thousand deaths from accidents, attacks or illnesses. There are over seven hundred things in the Rainforest that cause cancer. Join the fight now and help stop the Rainforest before it's too late.
posted @ Sun, Apr 30, 2006 8:57:54 am EDT from 68.202.14.214

Havester> Are you actually defending your choice of language? I guess I should have said vulgarity instead of profanity? There might have been only two f---'s, but the first comment was basically just one vulgarity after another. So, just because you can say certain words on network TV, it's ok? That's a great argument. And I can go down to the library, or pick up some newspapers, and read all those words too. But that doesn't make their use appopriate everywhere. Actually, I thought you were a teen, so, no that really wasn't totally a rhetorical question.
BTW, saying "network TV" doesn't really mean much. Comedy Central is a television network and they show stuff uncut and unedited regularly late at night (I believe they call it the Secret Stash where they've shown the South Park movie several times totally uncut). So, you can indeed use the f-word on "network TV". And if you meant "non-cable" TV, PBS is non-cable and they show Monty Python's Flying Circus unedited occasionally (my affiliate just showed it tonight, as a matter of fact).
Blaqthourne & Crimson Fury
"Is it a stockbroker?" "Is it a quantity surveyor?" "Is it a churchwarden?" "No, it's Bicycle Repairman!"--Monty Python's Flying Circus
posted @ Sun, Apr 30, 2006 6:48:58 am EDT from 4.230.255.115

Warcrafter> Congrats and good luck on your commercial. I hope everything went well.

*thinks about the zombie movie he enjoyed being in 6 months ago and how he can't wait to do another.*
King Cobra3 - [KingCobra_582@hotmail.com]
"Got it!" -Lexington, Awakening IV
posted @ Sun, Apr 30, 2006 4:49:08 am EDT from 209.239.132.229

I just wanted to thank you for creating my favorite animated show of all time. Gargoyles sparked an interest in european history and folklore while I was a child that has grown into a blazing torrent over the years. I've recently sat down and started watching the series again, and I love it even more now, then I ever did before.

I can honestly say that I would not be the same person, with the same love of knowledge, that I am today if I had not seen your show, and I implore you to please pick up the pen again when ever you feel you're ready.

Todays children need more shows that spark interest, and encourage knowledge, instead of focusing on who's taking who to the movies, and which kid just made the football team.

I only hope that the programs my kids will watch will be half as good as the masterpiece you created all those years ago.

A fan for life

Dieter
Dieter Bauch - [dieter_bauch@dell.com]
posted @ Sun, Apr 30, 2006 1:18:12 am EDT from 143.166.255.16

HoE: oh just go and ruin peoples' fun by reminding us that's it's a show from Disney. ;) Perhaps an idea for the relatively slight amount of clothing is weight. My sis asked why demona didn't wear armor when she fought and it got me to thinking about that. I doubt she'd be able to do much more than hop around like a wounded duck wearing chain mail, and she's probably got the lightest wing loading of any of the gargs. OK, no more aerodynamics... ;)
Reno
posted @ Sun, Apr 30, 2006 12:29:55 am EDT from 71.9.106.172

Of course, let's not forget the main reason the gargoyles wear clothes. It was still a Disney cartoon, after all. Surprising when you think about it. Donald Duck's gotten away with not wearing pants for years, and no one ever seemed to cry outrage over that. ( ;
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75@gmail.com]
"Time is money, and money I serve." -Peter Gabriel II.
posted @ Sat, Apr 29, 2006 8:58:47 pm EDT from 69.174.3.196

What would be really funny would be if it turned out that the drawing of Angela that began all the excitement was really just a reproduction error rather than a sign of her getting a new wardrobe in the comic.
Todd Jensen
"Gargoyles" - did for monstrous-looking statues what "Watership Down" did for rabbits!
posted @ Sat, Apr 29, 2006 6:53:58 pm EDT from 4.244.214.9

I think the gargoyles wear little compared to humans as a subtle difference between the two species. Perhaps one of the show's values about not judging is present here. The gargoyels do dress quite primitively, and this is how alot of human perceived them - however this is not the truth, as the show, shows.

Also, although the gargoyles do care what they look like and want to present themselves well to the opposite sex, I don't think they're much impressed by wealth expressed in fancy clothing and 'fashion'. The loin cloths do make a statement though - they are who they are, not afraid to show it (literally). Too much clothing might prohibet their performance in physical battles too.
Nikki
posted @ Sat, Apr 29, 2006 5:00:16 pm EDT from 62.252.32.16

Blaqthorne: Well, I am wearing a bib, but I think that question was rhetorical, right? And if you want to nitpick, there were only two F-Bombs in there. The rest of the words are words you can say on network TV now. But seriously, I'm 33 and romantically involved with my houseplant. I call him Arthur and put fake gargoyle wings on him at night. Sorry about that. Hey, just be thankful that I'm bitter more than I am happy. That's pretty much how I talk when I'm happy (the rest of the time, it's good old fashioned sarcasm). ( ;

Warcrafter: Yeah, I do have a tendency to take things out of line when I'm in a good mood. You should have seen me after my first kiss (don't worry, it was after I'd dropped her off). I actually haven't seen "The Spirits Within" (I plan to eventually), so I can't comment on that. But I have heard good and bad things about it. Some people liked it, some didn't. I have one friend who's a fan of the games who thought it sucked. I also haven't watched "Advent Children" yet, but plan to. As far as the movies based on video games I have seen are concerned, Super Mario Brothers was awful, Street Fighter was a joke, Mortal Kombat had some moments but not many (and the sequel was pitiful), the Resident Evils might have been better had they been better directed, and I won't speak of Doom at all. So out of the ones I have seen, Silent Hill is the one that will really please most fans of the games. As you said, it won't be all that great for people who've never played the games, but those who have played them will probably be amazed at how faithful the director remained to the material (stylistically, it was amazing). That's what pleased me, because most of the other movies in that genre I've seen, they usually fell flat on their face. It did have shortcomings, and I'd be happy to send you those in an e-mail, if you'd like. Or you can IM me if you have AIM (it's my e-mail address minus the @gmail.com).

Patrick: At least Magus is easy to sew for. We only ever saw him wear one thing. But actually, this is making me wonder just what types of plants grow on Avalon. Didn't look like there were too many cotton fields there. Maybe all their clothes were made out of hemp. After all, the government doesn't want people to know this, but hemp can be used to make everything from mayonnaise to space shuttle heat shields.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75@gmail.com]
"Blueberries are our friends."
posted @ Sat, Apr 29, 2006 10:47:50 am EDT from 69.174.3.196

I don't think there's an Old Navy store on the far side of the island, so yeah, it's probably a pretty safe bet that Princess Katharine had to make clothes for the hatchlings. Now once they were old enough, she probably taught some of them to sew. Making clothes for 36 gargoyles and 3 humans would be a lot of work for one person.

55 days left until The Gathering 2006 in Valencia, California!
Patrick - [<-- The Gathering 2006]
"Parsletongue, m--f--, do you speak it?!?" - Samuel L. Jackson, "Harry Potter and the Snakes on a Plane"
posted @ Sat, Apr 29, 2006 8:06:33 am EDT from 68.254.148.223

Harvester of Eyes> Ok, that comment was way out of line. This is a public forum. Don't throw out a profanity-laden comment and then "apologize" about it. What are you, eight years old and just learned some new dirty words?
Blaqthourne & Crimson Fury
posted @ Sat, Apr 29, 2006 1:32:39 am EDT from 207.207.40.112

HoE> "Silent Hill" may be at the top of the box office but everyone I've talked to who has seen the movie have said it's stupid and all the gore just makes it gross and not scary at all and if you haven't played the games, you may not understand the movie. I won't agree with anything until I have seen it but by saying *Then it fucked all their mothers and never called them again and fucked their housepets AND took a piss in their gardens for good measure* and with good video game based movies like Final Fantasy: the spirits within and advent children, that may be too much. Nothing against you, of course

A little something of topic. Yesterday, i finished my last day at my beginning commercial acting workshop. Now I just need to get my hair done and get my headshots and im ready to audition for commercials.

Mistake> Here's my first post for something i noticed (although i don't know if anyone else noticed this too) Demona's supposed to have one shoulder strap on her top but if you look closely at the Demona avatar, you can see two.
Warcrafter - [grafixfangamer1@sbcglobal.net]
Sex is like air. It's not that important, until you're not getting any
posted @ Fri, Apr 28, 2006 11:23:30 pm EDT from 69.234.6.13

Okay, it's official. "Silent Hill" kicked the ass of every other movie based on a video game that's ever been made. Then it fucked all their mothers and never called them again (and fucked their housepets AND took a piss in their gardens for good measure). Sorry for the language, I'm just really happy right now.

And perhaps the reason for Demona wearing so little is the same reason that Titania also wears something revealing. She knows she's got it, and she flaunts it. And most gargoyles seem perplexed by the purpose for a lot of human behaviors and customs. Clothing might be another one of those things.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75@gmail.com]
"...But I'm breathing, so I guess I'm still alive." -Tool.
posted @ Fri, Apr 28, 2006 10:14:55 pm EDT from 69.174.3.196

For a top ten that filled up in less than an hour, this sure turned out to be a slow week.
Anyway, I'm gone for the weekend. Have a good one everybody.
Matt - [Cape Girardeau, MIssouri, USA]
"It took me fifteen years to discover that I had no talent for writing, but I couldn't give it up because by that time I was too famous." - Robert Benchley
posted @ Fri, Apr 28, 2006 4:17:58 pm EDT from 150.201.114.132

Probably. The gargoyles that live in closest proximity to humans (London and Ishimura) tend to wear the most clothes. Meanwhile the Mayan Clan does not wear much. Zafiro is the obvious example, but Obsidiana's top looks like a breeze through the rainforest would give us a glimpse of some gargoyle mammary glands...
Matt - [Cape Girardeau, MIssouri, USA]
"It took me fifteen years to discover that I had no talent for writing, but I couldn't give it up because by that time I was too famous." - Robert Benchley
posted @ Fri, Apr 28, 2006 11:25:05 am EDT from 150.201.114.132

DPH> Maybe Gargoyles are just less uptight about nudity than humans.
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The Tenth Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
Each year, the Rainforest is responsible for over three thousand deaths from accidents, attacks or illnesses. There are over seven hundred things in the Rainforest that cause cancer. Join the fight now and help stop the Rainforest before it's too late.
posted @ Fri, Apr 28, 2006 11:18:44 am EDT from 68.202.14.214

Maybe Demona likes the looks she gets from male gargoyles...
Matt - [Cape Girardeau, MIssouri, USA]
"It took me fifteen years to discover that I had no talent for writing, but I couldn't give it up because by that time I was too famous." - Robert Benchley
posted @ Fri, Apr 28, 2006 10:56:51 am EDT from 150.201.114.132

Yea, notice even the males were wearing full sets of clothings, no chest showing. Definitely Princess Katherine's influence. That might be an original Ask Greg question. Was Princess Katherine responsible for imparting upon all the Avalon gargoyles a stronger sense of modesty that's not normally present among gargoyles?

One question: why does Demona wear more liberal clothing, considering the looks she would get from male gargoyles?
dph_of_rules
Whatever happenned to simplicity? Looking for a roommate for the gathering.
posted @ Fri, Apr 28, 2006 10:26:11 am EDT from 63.232.255.182

I guess the Wyvern gargoyles were less prude than Katharine would've liked...
All the female gargoyles we saw on Avalon wear tops that come over both shoulders. Demona and Desdemona wear tops that only come over one shoulder. Not to mention that all the female Avalon gargoyles wear one piece outfits that go fromt their shoulders to their loinclothes and both Demona and Desdemona showed their bellies.
Matt - [Cape Girardeau, MIssouri, USA]
"It took me fifteen years to discover that I had no talent for writing, but I couldn't give it up because by that time I was too famous." - Robert Benchley
posted @ Fri, Apr 28, 2006 10:21:16 am EDT from 150.201.114.132

Matt: Yeah, now that you mention it, I do believe that Desdemona's garb was also midriff-bearing. Didn't see too much of that among the Avalon gargoyles, and I think it's safe to assume that Katherine made their clothes.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75@gmail.com]
"...But I'm breathing, so I guess I'm still alive." -Tool.
posted @ Fri, Apr 28, 2006 6:45:49 am EDT from 69.174.3.196

I think Angela heard she was going to be in a comic book so she decided it'd be fun to show some more skin. Plus, Princess Katharine isn't around to nag her about it.
Anyone else notice that all the female gargoyles on Avalon were wearing more clothes than Demona? Or at least less revealing clothes...
Matt - [Cape Girardeau, MIssouri, USA]
"It took me fifteen years to discover that I had no talent for writing, but I couldn't give it up because by that time I was too famous." - Robert Benchley
posted @ Fri, Apr 28, 2006 1:38:04 am EDT from 150.201.114.132

Battle Beast : As Anonymous said that it looked like Angela, it's a pretty safe bet that he/she has seen season two.
Spen
"There are three kinds of people; those who can't count, and those who can." - Wilek Nereus
posted @ Thu, Apr 27, 2006 7:08:20 pm EDT from 216.248.119.208

Ya know, I was going to complain, but its actually rather nice to have a slow week in here after several months of very busy weeks...

Of course, the moment I post this the Room will be flooded with comments... : )
Matt - [Cape Girardeau, MIssouri, USA]
"It took me fifteen years to discover that I had no talent for writing, but I couldn't give it up because by that time I was too famous." - Robert Benchley
posted @ Thu, Apr 27, 2006 6:07:03 pm EDT from 150.201.114.132

Some comic announcements. Nothing new, but its great to see they are starting the marketing machine. Hopefully people who enjoyed the show, but aren't as involved as you all will pick this up too!
Anon
posted @ Thu, Apr 27, 2006 12:47:18 pm EDT from 160.39.107.80

Angela will have three children with Broadway. Artus (hatched in 2018), Gwenyvere (hatched in 2038) and Lancelot (hatched in 2058). Samson will hatch in 2158 and will either be the grandson of Artus or Gwenyvere or the son of Lancelot, making him a descendent of Angela and Broadway, but not their son. Samson is either Broadway and Angela's great-grandson (and thus Hudson, Goliath and Demona's great-great-grandson) or Broadway and Angela's grandson (and thus Hudson, Goliath and Demona's great-grandson).
Matt - [Cape Girardeau, MIssouri, USA]
"It took me fifteen years to discover that I had no talent for writing, but I couldn't give it up because by that time I was too famous." - Robert Benchley
posted @ Thu, Apr 27, 2006 12:28:22 pm EDT from 150.201.114.132

Anonymous> Have you SEEN SEASON TWO YET??? (11 years later???)

Her name is Angela, Goliath and Demona's daughter and she is one of 36 Gargoyle Eggs that were taken to Oberon's Mystical Island of Avalon in an attempt for Princess Katheryn to save her life and that of the eggs, along with the MAgus and Tom, the Guardian from the evil king. Angela will grow up into a fine warrior and eventually pair off with broadway and have a child named Samson (I think, don't bash me if I'm wrong).

Does that help???
Battle Beast - [Canada]
that is all I will say.
posted @ Thu, Apr 27, 2006 10:37:11 am EDT from 198.53.28.99

who is the garg female on the back? it seems angela dressed in demona`s clothes... But thats just great!!!!!!!!!!!
Anonymous
posted @ Thu, Apr 27, 2006 10:11:11 am EDT from 201.255.165.189

WOw! I'd buy it myself...cept they don't ship to Canada:-( *pout*
Wingless
posted @ Thu, Apr 27, 2006 1:34:32 am EDT from 70.27.173.206

Holy @#@!*# that looks awesome. I wish I lived anywhere close to a comic book store to see if they have that hanging and if I can buy one...or two....or.....
Warcrafter - [grafixfangamer1@sbcglobal.net]
Sex is like air. It's not that important, until you're not getting any
posted @ Thu, Apr 27, 2006 1:31:14 am EDT from 69.234.6.13

D. Taina> COOL!!!

Do you think we should all buy these? I'm tempted to.
Matt - [Cape Girardeau, MIssouri, USA]
"It took me fifteen years to discover that I had no talent for writing, but I couldn't give it up because by that time I was too famous." - Robert Benchley
posted @ Thu, Apr 27, 2006 12:48:21 am EDT from 150.201.114.132

Hey, everyone. Look what I just came across... a Gargoyles promotional poster by SLG! It has already been spotted on several comic book stores. Click my name to see it!
D. Taina
"Orday rewindum tapus!" - The Heroes Awaken Game
posted @ Thu, Apr 27, 2006 12:14:13 am EDT from 172.161.24.171

Todd> "The Mayan gargoyles were killed by looters who had come to the step-pyramid to steal artifacts like the Mayan Sun Amulet."

- We don't know if that was their intentions. The fact that they destroyed the entire Clan pretty much means they know that they are gargoyles. They had some reason to destroy them. Maybe it was near sunset and they feared they would be attacked or followed, as Hakon was at Wyvern. But perhaps they had a vendetta against the gargoyles themselves and only looted the pyramid on a whim after wiping out the Clan. Greg hasn't told us much about the looters, only that they were not anyone we have been introduced to yet.

Sorry for the ramble, when someone mentions the Mayan Clan, my ears always perk up and I can't help but comment.
Matt - [Cape Girardeau, MIssouri, USA]
"It took me fifteen years to discover that I had no talent for writing, but I couldn't give it up because by that time I was too famous." - Robert Benchley
posted @ Wed, Apr 26, 2006 11:58:30 pm EDT from 150.201.114.132

Thanks Wingless :)

The next question is, does anyone know if I can get a hold of the animated Gargoyles burning logo? (Which, if I remember right, as used in Awakenings pt1)
Chameleongirl
Chameleon may change her spots, but she refuses to do plaid!
posted @ Wed, Apr 26, 2006 8:54:33 pm EDT from 210.15.242.68

oops, that was me
Wingless
posted @ Wed, Apr 26, 2006 8:39:40 pm EDT from 70.27.173.206

Chameleongirl - just Google "Gargoyles Font". you'll find free fonts you can download without any problem. There are at least 2 different one.A solid one and clear with an outline. hope that helps
___
posted @ Wed, Apr 26, 2006 8:39:02 pm EDT from 70.27.173.206

The Quarrymen should be composed of *two* groups: one "rank-and-file" group of citizens enraged by the existance of gargoyles and the city's refusal to handle the situation, and one group of mercenaries "hired" by the group to get things done. Ther mercenaries would be the "bad guys" mentioned all this week.

While the mercenaries might know about the gargoyles' protective instincts, Castaway would make sure that either the rank-and-file doesn't know about this, doesn't believe this, or believes a distored version that makes this seemingly beneficial instinct look viscious and dangerous.
JJ Gregarius
Like the man said, "There are no problems; only solutions!"
posted @ Wed, Apr 26, 2006 8:21:43 pm EDT from 206.57.92.155

Anyone know where I can download the Gargoyles font?

I've got to do a presentation, on any subject, for a class project and I've chosen Gargoyles/The Gathering.

I already know where to find episode sound bites :)
Chameleongirl
Chameleon may change her spots, but she refuses to do plaid!
posted @ Wed, Apr 26, 2006 8:10:42 pm EDT from 210.15.242.68

I never, never liked the Quarrymen. As soon as they showed up in "The Journey" I started getting a sinking sense in the pit of my stomach, because I wondered if they would be shown realistically - i.e., the radical fringe, and the /recognized/ radical fringe of an anti-gargoyle sentiment, with the vast, vast majority of people in the city either disagreeing with the extent to which they went or disagreeing with them entirely.

The danger of the Quarrymen is that it becomes easy to have them act as the representative voice, when I think that the response of humanity to the gargoyles would be much more widely varied, with some thrilled beyond words, some scientifically and environmentally curious, some completely and maddeningly indifferent, some mocking and satirical, some benignly interested, etc. Of course the Journey was just one episode, and there was an attempt to portray the range in the interview scene of the episode, but when they showed up they had all the promise of being sound and fury, and all that we really saw of what should have been an infinite range of human responses.

I'll not draw my ink mustaches if the Quarrymen are displayed that way; otherwise, I think they're just too monolithic, and that makes them boring. The Quarrymen would be vastly, vastly more interesting if Castaway's attempts to convince humanity of the validity of his arguments was just as difficult as killing the gargoyles. You just know that Castaway would be mercilessly marked on the "South Park" and "The Daily Show" of the Gargoyles Universe, so if we hear from those humans who don't agree, then i'll cede that the Quarrymen are an interesting addition. As soon as they become more than that - still a threat, but not The Official Voice of Humanity - then I think they paradoxically become weaker characters.
Whitbourne
posted @ Wed, Apr 26, 2006 7:58:24 pm EDT from 142.167.211.135

re: Quarrymen > The Quarrymen were fine in The Journey. Their use as recurring villains through TGC's was pretty awful, but then, so were the use of perfectly good, well-established characters as well - including the Manhattan Clan members themselves.

The Quarrymen have a disadvantage of only having 1 episode where they were written by people that made all the other characters and groups in Gargoyles so darn interesting - and the rest being in TGC. The use of most other characters in TGS was pretty bad too, but we've got a lot of good work in the orignal 65 episodes to give us a good image of them despite the lack of quality in TGC.
Marty Lund - [lundmart [at] comcast [dot] net]
posted @ Wed, Apr 26, 2006 7:48:58 pm EDT from 198.187.200.254

Of course, as a side-note to my comment this morning, even with all the talk about how humans are so frightened of gargoyles and destroy them because of that fear, the bulk of the documented gargoyle massacres in the first two seasons turned out to be other reasons than xenophobia:

1. The Vikings carried out the Wyvern massacre because they didn't want Goliath and his clan interfering with their carrying off the humans as prisoners.

2. The original Hunters (Gillecomgain, Duncan, and Canmore) killed gargoyles out of personal revenge or because the gargoyles were allied with Macbeth in the struggle over the succession to the Scottish throne.

3. The Mayan gargoyles were killed by looters who had come to the step-pyramid to steal artifacts like the Mayan Sun Amulet.

Of course, in the case of the Wyvern Massacre, human xenophobia still had its share in the causes since one of the main reasons why the Captain and Demona betrayed the castle was because of the way that Princess Katharine, the Magus, and the rest were treating the clan. And the betrayal itself was crucial to the fall of Castle Wyvern. Look at how dispirited the Vikings appear when the Captain visits their camp in "Awakening Part One". Despite Hakon's vow of revenge, I doubt that they'd have dared make a second attack without the promise of assistance from inside - and if Hakon *had* attempted to make another go at it without the Captain's offer of help, I suspect that the rest of the Vikings would have bonked him over the head and picked another, more reasonable leader who'd be in favor of attacking wealthy castles or monasteries that *didn't* have gargoyles guarding them.
Todd Jensen
"Gargoyles" - did for monstrous-looking statues what "Watership Down" did for rabbits!
posted @ Wed, Apr 26, 2006 6:51:14 pm EDT from 4.244.18.104

Wow. I placed orders last week with CDUniverse, DVDEmpire, and Amazon, and they all arrived on the same day. Crazy. And I tried to find a comic shop on the Jefferson Davis Highway today, but I think my phone book might be obsolete. Time to call the other place.

Patrick: I'd say Vinnie is a testament to that.

Todd: I don't know, I think even after a Minority Protection Act is signed, there might still be some people in the fear/hate category. The ignorance of our species is astounding at times.

Whitebourne: I too would have to agree that you might be judging both the Quarrymen and Castaway too much by the other twelve episodes of the Goliath Chronicles (in which John Castaway degenerated into Snidely Whiplash). As we saw in "The Journey," both had potential. Besides, the gargoyles do need another major antagonist since we have that uneasy truce between the clan and Xanatos. With Greg back at the helm, I think Castaway has potential. I recently watched "The Journey" again, and had forgotten how good that scene in the clock tower was.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75@gmail.com]
"The fear of blood tends to create fear for the flesh." -Silent Hill. I'll let you know after this Friday if the curse of horrible movies based on great video games has ta last been broken (hey, it's gotta be better than Street Fighter, at least).
posted @ Wed, Apr 26, 2006 6:07:48 pm EDT from 69.174.3.196

Hehee.

I wouldn't be so quick to draw those moustaches. I mean, we've seen how TGC handled the Quarrymen, and it sucked, but now we are going to see Greg's take on Season 3. In his capable hands, I think they Quarrymen will be a lot more interesting.
TGC dumbed down Demona, but it would be silly to want to draw a moustache on her if she shows up in the comic just cuz she sucked in the comic.
Give Greg some credit, he created the Quarrymen, I think he will know how to better use them.
Matt - [Cape Girardeau, MIssouri, USA]
"It took me fifteen years to discover that I had no talent for writing, but I couldn't give it up because by that time I was too famous." - Robert Benchley
posted @ Wed, Apr 26, 2006 5:13:45 pm EDT from 150.201.66.47

Markers away! That's gonna be a mighty fine mustache. Heh heh, Castaway, you Anglophilic walking cliche.
Whitbourne
posted @ Wed, Apr 26, 2006 4:41:06 pm EDT from 142.167.202.22

WHIT> The first issue is an adaption of "The Journey", better go get your markers.
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posted @ Wed, Apr 26, 2006 4:19:01 pm EDT from 68.202.14.214

The Quarrymen were the worst executed idea in television history with the sole exception of a little known, ill-conceived remake of "Baywatch" starring a rhesus monkey. I think Pamela Anderson still has to get yearly rabies vaccinations after that one. Anywhoo, the Quarrymen sucked, and if they're in the new comic, I think I'll have to draw mustaches on all of them in indelible black ink to honour the horrible, horrible memory of their complete ineptitude and monumental lack of interest as characters. And Castway's tainted by association. Black mustache on him, too.
Whitbourne
posted @ Wed, Apr 26, 2006 4:14:20 pm EDT from 142.167.202.22

My two cents: The Quarrymen front lines are likely to be filled mostly with mercenaries and criminal types because the overwhelming majority of average citizens are apathetic and would never get involved to the point of wanting to go out every night to hunt gargoyles. And that would be a factor even before people start to notice that Castaway is a few fries short of a Happy Meal.

58 days left until The Gathering 2006 in Valencia, California!
Patrick - [<-- The Gathering 2006]
"If you kill him, he won't learn nothing!" - The Riddler, "Batman Forever"
posted @ Wed, Apr 26, 2006 12:53:38 pm EDT from 24.106.128.24

"profesional villains" LOL, yeah, heres my card, I'm a profesional villain.

Anyway, Dragomir, don't be so quick to sell out Castaway's character in the comics. Jon was very complex in Hunter's Moon and under Greg's direction I'm sure he'll continue to be an interesting guy. The most interesting thing about him, to me, is that like Demona he carries these irrational hatreds, but unlike Demona, he is not "alone". His siblings have reformed (or are getting there anyway) and watching their relationship will be fascinating.
Matt - [Cape Girardeau, MIssouri, USA]
"It took me fifteen years to discover that I had no talent for writing, but I couldn't give it up because by that time I was too famous." - Robert Benchley
posted @ Wed, Apr 26, 2006 11:55:52 am EDT from 150.201.114.132

Again, I will say that the one big problem that I have with the Quarrymen winding up composed largely of "professional bad guys" is that the xenophobic element winds up getting blurred. These guys would be after the gargoyles anyway, simply because Goliath and his clan are always foiling their crimes. It wouldn't be a case of "humans fear and hate what they do not understand" but "criminals hate people who interfere with their activities". So I don't see how the Quarrymen would be able to come across as a KKK-style hate group once it underwent that metamorphosis, unless they were portrayed as going after *all* gargoyles, regardless of whether they're interested in fighting crime or not, even the villainous ones like Demona and Thailog, even ones who wanted to just keep to themselves (like Leo and Una at the beginning of "M.I.A.").
Todd Jensen
"Gargoyles" - did for monstrous-looking statues what "Watership Down" did for rabbits!
posted @ Wed, Apr 26, 2006 8:57:22 am EDT from 4.244.210.73

Asatira> Who was your favorite character from Beast Wars? Mine was Dinobot, both versions, standard and transmetal 2.

Jension?> You make an excellent point concerning the membership of the quarrymen. One of the reasons why we see so many professional villains in their ranks is because most of the scared citizens probably quit after they realized Castaway was nuts, especially after he attacked the PIT crew. Also, I can imagine that most scared citizen type quarrymen would not be of much help in a fight against gargoyles anyway, due to a lack of combat experience and a tendency to run away in fright at the sight of them. They would probably be intimedated by all of Castaway's heavy artillery, cannons, quarry hammers, etc.
Castaway probably cared more about results than what kind of help he had too. He would gladly switch from concerned citizens to mercs and assassins if he thought they would be of more use to him. We have to remember that Castaway doesn't really care about public safety or justice, all he wants is to satisfy his personal vendetta against the gargs by any means necessary. I'm not excusing the writers of TGC for making the quarrymen such boring bad guys, just saying that the change in the kind of followers Castaway had makes sense to me. Regardless of what kind of villain he ends up becominhg in the comics, I doubt he'll be as interesting or cunning as previous villains on the show (he will after all just be a puppet for the Illuminati after all, a front man for the real masterminds). Does anyone know if there are any new garg comic pics out yet? Or what role Thailog will play in the comics? I heard he would have become a lead villain if the show had not been cancelled.
Dragomir
Trust is hard to build, but easy to destroy
posted @ Wed, Apr 26, 2006 8:25:35 am EDT from 134.241.91.205

Of course, I can see, in a sense, why the Quarrymen would be composed entirely of hoodlums after "The Journey". One of the main elements in that episode was Vinnie initially joining the Quarrymen, but coming to realize what it really means and finally standing up to Castaway and protecting Goliath and Elisa from him. I doubt that the production team wanted to repeat that element for fear of it getting stale, and so might have decided to afterwards shift entirely to bad guys without a conscience. (Certainly, if there were still people in the Quarrymen by the latter part of the series who were merely "frightened citizenry", I can't imagine them blithely taking part in the "heavy artillery" scene in downtown New York or the attack on the passenger train. I'm not certain that they'd even have wanted in after the attack on the PIT Crew, with a tone of "They might be misguided, but they're still humans like us!")
Todd Jensen
"Gargoyles" - did for monstrous-looking statues what "Watership Down" did for rabbits!
posted @ Wed, Apr 26, 2006 7:59:14 am EDT from 4.244.212.229

Yay, first comment in 10 hours. I agree with M.L. Mobs are just an excuse for a true villian. A mob may only appear in one episode and at most for about only a few minutes or so. That's all i got to say for now.
Warcrafter - [grafixfangamer1@sbcglobal.net]
I am a gargoyleholic AND I LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!
posted @ Wed, Apr 26, 2006 1:15:49 am EDT from 69.234.6.13

Todd>> The treatment of the Quarrymen was extremely superficial. Gargoyles traditionally focuses on characters with, well, characters. Faceless mooks are fine and all, but they need to revolve around personality. Some, like the Vikings, are just accessories to the villainous characters. The Quarrymen probably should've been a mix of 'Mooks' and 'Named Badguys' to borrow a set of terms from the Feng Shui RPG.

Mobs are kind of a hackneyed substitute for a villain unless you zoom in on them and examine the nature of leadership, following, and mob-mentality - IMO.
Marty Lund - [lundmart (at) comcast (dot) net]
posted @ Tue, Apr 25, 2006 2:59:06 pm EDT from 198.187.200.254

Dragomir> I personally, like Beast Machines. BUT, I understand why a lot of people don't. Everything was pushed to the extreme in comparison with Beast Wars (and it didn't help that Optimus Primal was so fanatical on his part until the second half. You really do have to see 14-26). It still had much better writing than most episodes of TGC. Rather late addition: I also liked "Dying of the Light." It's the only one I could re-watch without grimacing through the whole of it.

Big bads> Agreeing with the loss of a good detailed bad guys in TGC. It's more like the clan was going up against the embodiment of Intolerance and Hate rather a real organization. And the series becoming episodic didn't help in the least. I don't think there was even a clear continuity between each episode. Hence why I've only watched it all the way through twice, and that was after a number of years between viewings.
Asatira
posted @ Tue, Apr 25, 2006 2:07:32 pm EDT from 24.214.68.215

Jenson> I agree that there was precious little characterization and just a whole lot of nameless villains. I think Castaways's portrayal as a deranged hate monger was pretty true to what kind of character he had begun evolving into by the end of Hunter's Moon, but I agree he needed more than that. I can't even remember the guy even once speaking of how he shot his brother or his hatred for Demona, or why he wanted Goliath dead (I didn't even recognize him as Jon Canmore at first due to his fake accent and dorky mustache).
I too am an old fan of Beast Wars who was deeply disappointed in the mockery that was Beast Machines (why couldn't they have left poor Waspy back on earth to enjoy his retirement? waspinator Rules!!!). I also hated how Rhinox became the Vehicon version of Starscream and Tarantulas, and how lame Rat Trap became, he could't even fight! Plus, I can't recall Megatron ever mentioning that he hated having a beast mode in the first series, it was his idea to create arternate animal forms in the first place!

everyone> I agree that Demona will ally herself with humans if it meets her needs, such as her partnership with xanatos, or her occasional hiring of Sevarius for little odd jobs. But she would never ally herself with a Canmore, not after what his ancester did to her. I still believe allying herself with the quarrymen would not even be an option for her, it would upset her belief that the Hunter and his human followers are the ultimate enemy of all gargs, plus it would ruin any plan she might have for bringing Angela over to her way of thinking. Besides, if Demona and Castaway ever meet again, and I'm sure they will, you better believe they are going to rip eachother apart on sight (though I think we all know Ms. Destine would kick Canmore's ass in the end, worthless human...)
Dragomir
Maybe my niche can be the inquisitive crazy man of the comment room? No? Okay...~Dragomir
posted @ Tue, Apr 25, 2006 12:04:13 pm EDT from 134.241.91.99

Lord GargFan > thanks! Now, if I can snare you in my clutches for the rest of my saga ... it's just a short step from there to hooking you on my books ... and then I can TAKE OVER THE WORLD! Mua-ha-ha! :: ahem :: Sorry. Anyhoo, glad you liked it! :)
Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
posted @ Tue, Apr 25, 2006 3:34:02 am EDT from 70.56.94.10

Patrick - I appreciate the reminder and notice about rooms being filled up.

It's about 100 questions left until all the Gathering 2004 reports are processed.

Todd - online, I meet a guy who thought the same writers who wrote Beast Machines also wrote TGC. The guy didn't seem to get it when I showed him the facts. My tapes of TGC (except for the Journy) will probably never be watched ever again. It was too painfull to watch.
dph_of_rules
Whatever happenned to simplicity? Looking for a roommate for the gathering.
posted @ Mon, Apr 24, 2006 11:07:26 pm EDT from 63.232.255.148

HARVESTER - Yes. As I've mentioned before, the Quarrymen made poor "big bads" for the Goliath Chronicles. They had no characterization beyond "We hate gargoyles", without even a rationale for their hatred (since they know that the gargoyles are actually protectors rather than monsters), and seemed to be there simply to provide the clan with someone to fight against.

It didn't help matters much either that the writers focused on the Quarrymen as a mass movement rather than on Castaway. In "Gargoyles" itself, the focus was always on individual antagonists, or, at most, a small team of antagonists like the Hunters or the Pack, with no more than 5 members at most, allowing room for the individual members to be fleshed out. "Group villains" that came in larger quantities were generally extras except for a couple of people near the top (with the Vikings, for example, the spotlight is on Hakon, rather than on his followers). The Quarrymen were nothing more than a nameless, faceless mob, making them dull antagonists for that reason.
Todd Jensen
"Gargoyles" - did for monstrous-looking statues what "Watership Down" did for rabbits!
posted @ Mon, Apr 24, 2006 10:19:43 pm EDT from 4.244.211.91

Cobra> You lucky Beast you!

Harvester> I agree that the bad guys of TGC were just not as complex or as challenging as the villains in the original series, especially Castaway. He just could not compete with truly great baddies like Demona, Thailog, Xanatos, or Oberon in terms of sheer cunning or raw power. The episodic storyline annoyed me as well, no depth or continuity (which is why I adore anime over most U.S. cartoons).
Dragomir
"Don't hate me because I'm devious," Demona cues as she strikes an enticing pose for her adoring fans!
posted @ Mon, Apr 24, 2006 10:05:39 pm EDT from 71.192.76.212

Patrick> "About one month left to reserve hotel rooms (I hear they're going fast) and pre-register for the convention."

We've already got our hotel room reserved (NOT staying at the hotel that the Gathering is being held at, though.) and we reserved our place at the Gathering months ago.
King Cobra3 - [KingCobra_582@hotmail.com]
"Got it!" -Lexington, Awakening IV
posted @ Mon, Apr 24, 2006 8:58:23 pm EDT from 209.239.132.234

Todd and Patrick: I think it also helps (and this is also hopefully for Blaqthorne's benefit) that a lot of the Gargoyles villains were a bit more complex than what one would normally expect from a villain on a kid's cartoon. Sadly, a lot of the villains in the Goliath Chronicles lacked the depth of characters like Macbeth, Demona, and Xanatos. Rather, as we see from the Illuminati doctor in "To Serve Mankind," the assassin in "Generations," Radar in "Runaways" (I think DTaina is more familiar with this one than I am; I've only seen the aforementioned episode once), or the complete mockery that John Castaway became, the villains of the Goliath Chronicles were just so horrendously cliched. They were nothing more than one-dimensional Saturday morning cartoon villains. Pathetic.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75@gmail.com]
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posted @ Mon, Apr 24, 2006 8:43:48 pm EDT from 69.174.3.196

Do we know the exact release date of the comic yet?
Matt - [Cape Girardeau, MIssouri, USA]
"It took me fifteen years to discover that I had no talent for writing, but I couldn't give it up because by that time I was too famous." - Robert Benchley
posted @ Mon, Apr 24, 2006 5:57:41 pm EDT from 150.201.114.132

What Todd said. You can't hook your viewers with two seasons of solid, connected storytelling, change the formula for the third season, and expect they won't call you on it.

About two months until The Gathering. About one month left to reserve hotel rooms (I hear they're going fast) and pre-register for the convention.

60 days left until The Gathering 2006 in Valencia, California!
Patrick - [<-- The Gathering 2006]
"A curious game. The only winning move is not to play." - WarGames
posted @ Mon, Apr 24, 2006 5:31:36 pm EDT from 70.227.79.104

Whew! I'm finally caught up in the comments! I finally find the time to read them all and it's the next week already.

Christine: Wonderful story. This is the first thing of yours which I have read, and it makes me want to read some of your (more) original fanfics. I always thought that the episode had a lot of potential, as many stories did in TGC. I think that on paper they looked relatively good. With Greg at the helm, they could have been excellent.

A question: When were we treated to the first murmurs that Season 2, Volume 1 was coming out? The reason I ask this was that I was just reading tvshowsondvd.com and saw that someone at Disney or with connections at Disney has been giving news about a lot of their Disney Afternoon shows coming to DVD. I slightly remember an executive from a DVD extra production company posting about emailing him about potential bonus features, but even that's hazy. History may or may not repeat itself.

Hard to believe that June is only less than 6 weeks away.
Lord GargFan
posted @ Mon, Apr 24, 2006 11:09:10 am EDT from 67.185.229.228

BLAQTHORNE - Yes, but when it's done as a sequel to a series that *did* remember its past, the episodic stance becomes much more glaring.
Todd Jensen
"Gargoyles" - did for monstrous-looking statues what "Watership Down" did for rabbits!
posted @ Mon, Apr 24, 2006 7:46:03 am EDT from 4.244.211.222

Harvester of Eyes: <I don't know. It would make more sense for Castaway to fill the box with cement. ( ;> And then use a submarine to dump the box under Artic ice cap.

Everyone: You know a contest should be held to see who can make the best rewrite of the other episode of TGC.
Vinnie - [tpeano29@hotmail.com]
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posted @ Mon, Apr 24, 2006 4:58:18 am EDT from 69.54.209.64

Purplegoldfish > <<Heh, sorry I hope I don't sound like a jerk critiqueing your stories, Christine. It's certainly better than what made it to air, and I could never hope of writing as good as you. I just think the whole story premise is faulty.>> You don't, and I don't mind at all. After all, I didn't come up with the premise ... I just played with it after the fact. :)
Christine - [christine@sabledrake.com]
posted @ Mon, Apr 24, 2006 2:59:23 am EDT from 70.56.94.10

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