Comment Room Archive : Gargoyles : Station Eight

BJ: I don't mean to sound inhospitable, but let me give you some advice that has served me well: "Punctuation is your friend. Punctuation will not bite you and throw you in the basement."

General comments: It's funny, but not one hour after I posted earlier today, I received my order from mycomicshop.com in the mail. Which was odd, since they never e-mailed me telling me they were shipping it. Whatever, I got it. Honestly, the shading in some panels bothered me more than Hedgecock's pencils. For most of the Quarrymen rally, I felt that Castaway's face was too bright compared to the surroundings. And in the panel where he smashes the statue, if I hadn't seen "The Journey" on TV, I would have had a hard time guessing what he was doing. Room for improvement, but that's what the first few issues are for: flexing the muscles. I did enjoy the new scenes, though, which someone told me were actually written for the Goliath Chronicles episode ten years ago, but were cut. I guess Art shooting at Goliath might have been a bit much for the Saturday morning crowd. It was good to see those included here.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75@gmail.com]
"According to the legends of a thousand worlds only a few of which are still habitable, the W'rkncacnter are those things that live in chaos, creating it around them. At the beginning of the universe, they were unmistakable in their entities, but as time has gone by, their existence has become difficult to detect among the chaotic elements of the universe, hidden in stars, trapped in storms, forever looking along the event horizons of black holes. Setting one free in ordered space is difficult and insane." -Durandal
posted @ Sun, Jul 2, 2006 12:28:28 am EDT from 69.174.3.196

I'm new to the comment room. My name is Yami and I'm Jurgan's girlfriend. This was my first time ever attending the Gathering, and I loved it! Jurgan and I registered for next year's, too. I will be typing up and submitting my journal soon. Well, see you all later!
Yami Raven - [raven_mccloud2002@yahoo.com]
Puck: Ooh, you really hurt him with that one. Do it again.
posted @ Sat, Jul 1, 2006 9:37:10 pm EDT from 68.58.253.131

Hi everyone! Hi bj, I'm new here too.
Faytefire> I think that Macbeth fought during WWII. Hmmmm...I also think that he may have not thought about Demona much during that time. I mean WWII was a REALLY BIG deal. It's cool to think that he fought in it; he's a great warrior and he's immortal. That's a pretty good combination! Oh yeah, and he's got the whole honor thing going on too (which doesn't hurt). What does anyone else think?
Mayelin - [dulcemiel83@aim.com]
Mayelin Gonzalez
posted @ Sat, Jul 1, 2006 8:56:02 pm EDT from 67.83.33.17

KingCobra - Yes, that $20 per person was for the entire 2007 Convention weekend. Friday June 22 through Monday June 25, 2007. :)

In other news..
The Gathering 2007 page has been updated! With Online and Mail-In Registration, mailing list signup, hotel info, and so on and so forth. Much more on it's way in future updates!
http://www.gatheringofthegargoyles.com/g2007/

I'm still not wound down from 2006 yet, and I'm already excited about 2007! :D
Y2Hecate - [y2hecate@gmail.com]
Your Gathering 2007 Punching bag.. I mean, Con-Chair.
posted @ Sat, Jul 1, 2006 8:34:57 pm EDT from 172.148.215.113

Hi everyone, hope the weekend is going well so far, mine has been writing a paper for an online course..icky!
but to start a conversation.. which Im not sure if its been done before, but what do you guys think Macbeth was doing during WWII? I was chatting with a friend of mine, and the topic came up. I wonder if during that time he would have put his hunt for Demona on the backburner, and helped in the war.. but what side? We dont know very much about this character, only his undying hatred for Demona, he grows tired of living (but find new hope when Goliath tells him there are things worth living for) and he has a deep sense of honor. It would be interesting to see what he did during that time, and his opinions.
What do you all think?
faytefire - [dragondreamer@comcast.net]
posted @ Sat, Jul 1, 2006 7:38:47 pm EDT from 71.234.169.135

Battle Beast : Yes, it's most certainly still up.
Spen
Why do people always use sports metephors when they want you to do somthing stupid? - David Swaine
posted @ Sat, Jul 1, 2006 6:45:26 pm EDT from 216.248.119.208

Wecome bj. Have a cookie *Hands over a plate of cookies*
Warcrafter - [grafixfangamer1@sbcglobal.net]
LEEEEEERRROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOYY JEEEEEEEEEEEEENKIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINS is my idol!
posted @ Sat, Jul 1, 2006 6:01:41 pm EDT from 69.231.235.144

bj> Welcome to the comment room. :-)
KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra_582@hotmail.com]
posted @ Sat, Jul 1, 2006 6:01:26 pm EDT from 209.239.132.31

hi evrybody im a newby:P
bj
posted @ Sat, Jul 1, 2006 3:58:13 pm EDT from 68.55.175.94

Happy Canada Day to everyone living and in the great and-not so white north(at least this time of year) and and advanced happy 4th of July to our US Cousins & neighbours. *lights Sparklers around the room*
Wingless
posted @ Sat, Jul 1, 2006 3:19:59 pm EDT from 70.27.173.142

"JEB"? there's a blast from the past. IS that Encylopedia still up???

Lord Sloth> Thanks for that adress. I will probably send a formal letter, too. Can't hurt.
Battle Beast - [Canada]
that is all I will say.
posted @ Sat, Jul 1, 2006 12:13:45 pm EDT from 198.53.28.99

I just got back from my neighbor's yard sale. I happened to be wearing the WWDD T-Shirt I had made, and he asked me what it was. I told him and he said "oh yeah, I remember Gargoyles. I used to love that show." I told him it was out on DVD. His budget is a little tight right now, but hopefully, he'll tell others.

Demonskrye: Even though Thailog was mentally indoctrinated with Xanatos's slant on the world, he still takes some things to levels that I don't think even Xanatos would go to.

Todd: I'm still gritting my teeth for when the questions I asked way back in my n00bier days come up. *sigh*
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75@gmail.com]
"According to the legends of a thousand worlds only a few of which are still habitable, the W'rkncacnter are those things that live in chaos, creating it around them. At the beginning of the universe, they were unmistakable in their entities, but as time has gone by, their existence has become difficult to detect among the chaotic elements of the universe, hidden in stars, trapped in storms, forever looking along the event horizons of black holes. Setting one free in ordered space is difficult and insane." -Durandal
posted @ Sat, Jul 1, 2006 12:13:04 pm EDT from 69.174.3.196

I haven't even started writing my con journal yet ... at my brother's house, surrounded by Becca's Chaotic Noisy little cousins. It will have to wait until I get home. Just hope by then I can REMEMBER everything!!! Eek!

But we all had a terrific time and it was wonderful to see so many old friends, new faces and cool folks. Woo!
Christine - [<----- Drama Llama!]
posted @ Sat, Jul 1, 2006 11:06:12 am EDT from 69.234.52.228

I need to drop by my local comic book store this week, because 1. I want to see how the comic is doing around here. 2. Put it on order so I don't have to go through Amazon.com. :)
Siryn - [siryn7@aol.com]
Vinnie Grigori's #1 Fan!
posted @ Sat, Jul 1, 2006 8:57:44 am EDT from 65.185.9.61

TSC> Would've, if I'd thought of it at the time. Brain must still be on jetlag. :P

If I register for the 2008 con, I'll remember to ask.
KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra_582@hotmail.com]
posted @ Sat, Jul 1, 2006 8:46:22 am EDT from 209.239.132.202

A word to the wise: When I stopped by my local comic retailer after the Gathering to see if he'd received his shipment of Gargoyles comics, I brought one of the posters that the SLG guys were handing out at the con. I showed it to him and asked him if he'd received one from the comic distributor he deals with. His eyes widened at the sight of it, and he answered that he had not. I gave that one to him on the spot and made him promise to display it (he readily agreed).

So, everyone, if you go to your local comic retailer and don't see any posters advertising the Gargs comic on display -- and you don't have an extra poster to give the retailer yourself -- let your retailer know that the posters are in fact available from SLG, and encourage him/her to get one.

(As for my retailer, he explained that he didn't have my copies yet because his distributor shorted him on his initial order. He had to order more copies -- more than he was originally planning for his secondary order, in fact, since enough people besides me had been asking for the comic that he decided he needed to increase his order. :) )
Ellen
posted @ Sat, Jul 1, 2006 4:21:38 am EDT from 205.188.117.68

Ok, before anybody complains, my Friday's con journal is posted. My Saturday's con journal is going to be posted with about the same pace as I got around to posting Friday's Gathering Journal.
dph_of_rules
Whatever happenned to simplicity?
posted @ Sat, Jul 1, 2006 2:30:33 am EDT from 63.232.249.255

The pre-registration for Gathering 2007 was for the whole con. Day passes are only ever sold at the door unless the con staff wants to create a lot more work for themselves.
Patrick - [<-- The Gathering 2006]
posted @ Fri, Jun 30, 2006 11:54:13 pm EDT from 70.229.219.245

King Cobra - Umm... maybe you should have, you know, asked when you registered? That would have probably helped.

And once you get your answer, I might recommend post-it notes. :P ;)
The Sadistic Cow - [midnightfantasia [at] hotmail.com]
"Every day I smoke two hundred cigarettes and one hundred cigars and drink a bottle of whisky and three bottles of wine with dinner. And dinner is meat. RAW meat. The cook serves me an entire animal and I fight it bare-handed and tear off what I want and eat it and have the rest buried. In NEW JERSEY! For H.A.T.E.!" - Dirk Anger
posted @ Fri, Jun 30, 2006 11:47:07 pm EDT from 69.157.14.20

I was watching Long Way To Morning this evening and really paid attention to the artwork and carvings in the Archmage's cave. Is it just me or does the artwork look distinctly South American or Native American. It doesn't look like traditional Celtic or Scottish work. Especially the large face carvings. Anyone know of the reason for the designs that way? Or is there some ancient Scottish artwork that does resemble that style?
Siren - [sirengarg@yahoo.com]
posted @ Fri, Jun 30, 2006 10:56:49 pm EDT from 65.33.46.79

Faytefire> Thanks for the info :0)
Mayelin - [dulcemiel83@aim.com]
Mayelin Gonzalez
posted @ Fri, Jun 30, 2006 9:27:41 pm EDT from 67.83.33.17

Tood Jensen> Crud. Oh, well, I'll figure something out.

Sorry for going off-topic AGAIN, butm y bf and I registered for G2007 for $20 apiece. I just wanted to verify to myself; that's more then one day membership at next year's con, right? That's the current pre-registration for the WHOLE CON. I'm only asking cause I'm wondering and it's bugging me.
KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra_582@hotmail.com]
posted @ Fri, Jun 30, 2006 7:51:34 pm EDT from 209.239.132.198

KING COBRA - Sorry, but since I've never registered at Toon Zone myself, I have no idea as to how to do it.

JURGAN - Unfortunately, I doubt that I'll be able to delete that post, since it doesn't violate the "no original ideas" clause or the "no multiple subjects" clause. So it'll just have to stay.
Todd Jensen
Gargoyles - did for monstrous-looking statues what "Watership Down" did for rabbits!
posted @ Fri, Jun 30, 2006 6:49:07 pm EDT from 4.244.210.10

Todd Jensen> Do you know how I can register at Toon Zone so I can help 'spread the word'? I've tried registering before, but there was never any emailed verification.
KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra_582@hotmail.com]
posted @ Fri, Jun 30, 2006 6:23:17 pm EDT from 209.239.132.198

Gathering 2006 Journals> I've posted all of mine here, for anyone who wants to take a look, though it's probable that no one will.

Anyway.

http://kingcobra-582.livejournal.com/

It's also up on Ask Greg.
KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra_582@hotmail.com]
posted @ Fri, Jun 30, 2006 6:11:26 pm EDT from 209.239.132.198

Thailog> Of course, the big misconception is that Thailog has any of Xanatos's DNA. Thailog is, in fact, the poster child for the "nurture" side of "nature vs. nurture". Despite his genetic makeup being the same as Goliath, his personality is must more reflective of the "World Accordig to Xanatos" schooling he was given during his growth process. Though he does seem to inherrit some of his taste in women from Goliath, that's about as far as the mental similarities.
Demonskrye
posted @ Fri, Jun 30, 2006 5:19:25 pm EDT from 209.6.250.47

Jurgan> There is also another time in "Sactuary" where we see Thailog awaken from stone slumber to meet Demona. Also, in the Goliath Chronicles (I can't think of the episode name right now) but we actually see him turn to stone along with the clones, permanetly. Than again The Goliath Chronicles don't really count, so I guess we have to see what happens in the comics.
Warcrafter - [grafixfangamer1@sbcglobal.net]
LEEEEEERRROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOYY JEEEEEEEEEEEEENKIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINS is my idol!
posted @ Fri, Jun 30, 2006 4:50:38 pm EDT from 69.231.248.45

Matt: I know it doesn't make the question any less stupid, but when did we ever see Thailog turn to stone? I can only think of one time we even saw him in stone (near the beginning of "Double Jeopardy," and it wasn't clear until the end of the episode that it wasn't Goliath), and I can't think of any time he turns to stone on screen. Given that, I can see how a casual fan could be confused, though I still wish he'd have asked in here rather than waste Greg's time. Hey, but maybe Todd can get rid of it.
Jurgan - [jurgan6@yahoo.com]
posted @ Fri, Jun 30, 2006 3:47:38 pm EDT from 68.59.43.150

Warcraft>Thank you Drives out in swatcar!! :P
Bonkers/ yaaa totally nuts
Is BONKERS /Psyco/YAA TOTALLY NUTS/cant stop that wacky attack
posted @ Fri, Jun 30, 2006 3:41:34 pm EDT from 68.55.175.94

Bonkers> You can find the comics in comic book stores :) Or if that doesn't work, you can order them online like amazon.com (Though i don't know how long delivery will be)
Warcrafter - [grafixfangamer1@sbcglobal.net]
LEEEEEERRROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOYY JEEEEEEEEEEEEENKIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINS is my idol!
posted @ Fri, Jun 30, 2006 3:39:13 pm EDT from 69.231.248.45

hello:P
who knows were i can fine de comics??
well be going *Drives throw de wall in a swatcar*
Bonkers/ yaaa totally nuts
Is BONKERS /Psyco/YAA TOTALLY NUTS/cant stop that wacky attack
posted @ Fri, Jun 30, 2006 2:24:54 pm EDT from 68.55.175.94

Greetings from San Francisco. Just dropping in to catch up on recent news if any.

I did browse through the newest questions asked over in AG, heres a gem:
"Shawn writes...
Since Thailog is the clone of Xanatos, which would also imply that he has some human DNA, then does that mean that he doesn't turn into stone like Goliath since Xanatos's DNA would probably prevent that?"

Geeez, I don't even know where to start with that one. Thailog has been in 3 episodes, and he turned to stone in 2 of them. *sigh*

Later guys.
Matt
posted @ Fri, Jun 30, 2006 1:17:34 pm EDT from 24.7.62.108

Sorry for the double-post, but I went back and checked, and while my "Arthurian animation" post hadn't gotten any replies (or moderator-locks), it did get 16 views. That doesn't necessarily mean that it'll lead to 16 more people buying the DVD, of course, but at least it can't hurt.
Todd Jensen
Gargoyles - did for monstrous-looking statues what "Watership Down" did for rabbits!
posted @ Fri, Jun 30, 2006 7:43:55 am EDT from 4.244.214.182

Well, the good news is that I didn't get into any trouble at the AKOTAS forum for my "Arthurian animation" post. Nobody's commented on it as yet, either, but at least a few people might see it.

To William Maune and Greg Bishansky: Thanks for your good work at urging people in the Toon Zone forum thread to focus on spreading the word rather than bashing Disney.
Todd Jensen
Gargoyles - did for monstrous-looking statues what "Watership Down" did for rabbits!
posted @ Fri, Jun 30, 2006 7:40:05 am EDT from 4.244.214.182

*Glances through Ask Greg* Looks like the idiots found out you can ask questions again rather quickly.
Spen
posted @ Fri, Jun 30, 2006 4:04:53 am EDT from 216.248.119.208

Infinite thanks to those who ran the Gathering! And of those I met, I hope to see as many as possible of you next year!

My journal starts here: http://jeb1981.livejournal.com/59043.html
JEB - [JEB215AlphaZed@aol.com]
posted @ Fri, Jun 30, 2006 12:36:13 am EDT from 68.55.32.108

Lord Sloth > I sort of steered them over here. In my story I worked in links to Greg's Friday Con Report (which is here), the site for the Nashville Gathering, and to SLG's website for the comic.
William C. Maune - [william.maune@toonzone.net]
posted @ Thu, Jun 29, 2006 11:53:00 pm EDT from 12.207.82.138

The main reason I haven't posted anywhere about the DVD is that other than here and the TGS room, the only other forum I'm a sort of regular at is a MIDI newsgroup. And without a working e-mail account, I can no longer post there anyway. Other than that, I'm a lurker at Kevin's Watch, but not being a regular, I'd probably look like the spammers that were hanging around here last year. (Especially since not only am I a terrible salesperson, there's really only one thing that Gargoyles and Thomas Covenant have in common.)

As for the other suggestions, it looks like the only one I can do is write the letter (which I'm going to do after this). The buying a copy for the library would be an excellent idea, except for the fact that my library refuses to admit that it's the twenty-first century and doesn't accept DVDs. And as for spreading the word among friends and family, I've been trying to do that for years. So far, the only person I've managed to get interested is my boss. And he won't buy the DVD since he knows if he's ever in the mood to watch an episode, he can just ask me to loan him my copy. So really, I can't see what else I can do.

Makhasu : In my case, the reason I haven't gotten too exited about the comic is because I still can't really believe it's happening. I've had the 'Gargoyles will most likely never be coming back, so you might as well get used to it' mindset for so long, this pretty much feels like a dream that's simply too good to be true. Until I'm actually holding the comic next month, I'm not going to get all that exited about it. After that, well, that's another story entirely.
Spen
Why do people always use sports metephors when they want you to do somthing stupid? - David Swaine
posted @ Thu, Jun 29, 2006 11:32:23 pm EDT from 216.248.119.208

My con report can be found here:

http://www.shaunpup2.com/reports/g2k6_report.htm

The pics are here:

http://www.shaunpup2.com/gallery2/v/g2006/
BrooklynX
posted @ Thu, Jun 29, 2006 11:29:32 pm EDT from 63.205.196.114

<ENTER LORD SLOTH>

Getting sentimental about everyone's fun gathering, I've been going over internet photos and Gorebash's video captures of 2004 in order to recapture my memories. My problem is I remember people's aliases, and I remember the faces of people I met in person; but even during the event I had trouble reconciling the two. So does anyone know of photos of 2004 (or any gathering for that matter) where the names are somehow indicated? Even real names would help me out, to have more to go on then just faces. In fact any good Gathering cashe of something ought to peak my fancy. Preciate it very.
BTW, if you want some inspiration, click me name and watch Greg W. first hand. He got us all excited about maxing out the first DVD sales and getting a new show. Though we didn't do perfect, we did get this far, with a continuation to boot. I still think it's a heartening watch.

TODD/MERLYN> "I decided that it was safe to include a post on it in a new thread that I started entitled "Arthurian animation"…I hope that it won't be seen as stepping out of line."
It was well done; the Mods shouldn't have a problem when everyone is professional, even if you're new. If they do, they will likely just lock the thread which will still allow people to see it for a while and learn the good news
Though, regardless of the once and future space king, a few of us really ought to talk about the Gargoyles comic in the off topic forum (http://www.talkaboutcomics.com/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=107), it's a gathering of comic lovers after all! If we hit people who remember the show, they'll want to know about the DVDs as well. Don't expect a lively chat, but people will at least read it.
There could be other relevant forums there, (it's a HUGE list) but that's all I saw.

William C.> "Our news story on Toon Zone has now been read by over 1000 people"
That's great! And good steering them in a productive direction too. Do you reference them over here at all? I'm wondering if they saw it they might come over which could end the discussion there, thus less people would see. But then, some of our thoughts might be of use to them, so if we don't bring em here, we ought to still expose them. Ya think?

Matt> "No time to say much except: WELCOME BACK LORD SLOTH!!!!"
Well, what else is there to say really? We've got to get the old ego fired up again. ((^8(
Actually, I'll try to keep that in check, but it's nice to feel welcome. Cheers bud.

Abby> "And a friend who is a moderator on a Narnia-related forum usually has a Gargoyles avatar and has used it as a springboard for spreading the news."
Yeah, that's happened to me to, and it's pretty neat when it does. Unfortunately, many forums have a strict size requirement, like 1 by 1 inch. Keep that in mind making your avatars, Makhasu.
And thanks for the info on convergence, good crowd for Greg to draw on if it's Star Trek based! Anyone else going?

As mentioned, sometimes the written word (as opposed to the typed word) can have a greater impact on the reader, showing more effort was taken and the to be taken more seriously. Sending a letter here is basically the same as the e-male addresses Battle Beast and King Cobra gave us, but I recommend we do both.

Walt Disney Home Video
Address:
500 S. Buena Vista St.
Burbank, CA 91521

Idea---> There should be a central place for all these collected addresses and forum links, so Joe average doesn't need to wade though all this dialogue to help out. Vash's Gargoyles News Central would be an obvious place, but I notice it's been down for the past week. What say you?

<EXIT LORD SLOTH>
Lord Sloth - [nibor_niwri@hotmail.com]
"I know my apprehetions might never be allayed and so I close realizing that perhaps, the ending, is not yet, writen."
posted @ Thu, Jun 29, 2006 11:22:44 pm EDT from 142.177.157.153

Hello everyone,
It's been a while since I've posted here but I heard the unfortunate news about the rest of Gargoyles season 2 and thought I'd drop by. I posted a short blog on my myspace page along with a link to Buena Vista's Gargoyles DVD page. On that page is a question link where you can make a comment asking about when the rest of Gargoyles will be released. I received a response that they forwarded my request to the marketing department. Maybe if a few hundred people do the same thing it will be one way of making noise. If you all have myspace pages maybe put up something for Gargoyles even if it's just a blog. It might get some attention from your other friends.
Andrew Alvarez - [highlander3000@verizon.net]
posted @ Thu, Jun 29, 2006 11:21:59 pm EDT from 71.104.108.230

Our news story on Toon Zone has now been read by over 1000 people (and counting). Now its a matter of continuing to talk to those who have responded about the situation, and spreading the word further. If anyone knows other DVD news and or animation news sites, make sure they know about this! For instance, hopefully TVShowsOnDVD.com will pick up the news soon. They have carried serveral stories on the Gargoyles DVDs in the past.
William C. Maune - [william.maune@toonzone.net]
posted @ Thu, Jun 29, 2006 10:50:50 pm EDT from 12.207.82.138

Mayelin> I too ordered a copy from amazon, and it says that it wont be here till sometime in July =/ However I lost patience and found out that there was a comic shop right in my town, so I picked one up there. I still have the amazon one on order though..one to collect, and one to read lovingly!
faytefire
posted @ Thu, Jun 29, 2006 10:48:11 pm EDT from 71.234.169.135

STORMY - Thanks for the advice. Since I've been posting there fairly frequently for the last couple of months (I've already had 40-something posts there), I decided that it was safe to include a post on it in a new thread that I started entitled "Arthurian animation". In it, I focused on "A Lighthouse in the Sea of Time" and "Avalon" (including a mention of Macbeth's big speech about King Arthur and Merlin in the former, concluding with the line - which I specifically quoted - "Merlin's magic was stronger than everything, except the human heart."). I hope that it won't be seen as stepping out of line.
Todd Jensen
Gargoyles - did for monstrous-looking statues what "Watership Down" did for rabbits!
posted @ Thu, Jun 29, 2006 8:27:47 pm EDT from 4.244.210.6

TODD: First, if you're a regular poster there, mentioning Gargoyles won't seem like spamming as long as you focus on the Arthurian aspects. If you're not a regular poster there, I still think a reasoned post focusing on Arthurian aspects of Gargoyles isn't spam, since it's not wholly focused on OMG BUY THIS but is actually on topic to the forum. However, it'll be harder to get people to pay attention to it if you're a newbie, or if they think you've shown up solely to talk about Gargoyles . It'd still be worth doing though...50 percent of 100 is still half, zero percent of 100 is always nothing.
Stormy - [decepticoncommand@hotmail.com]
posted @ Thu, Jun 29, 2006 8:02:50 pm EDT from 142.167.200.131

Hey guys I was wondering how long it takes Amazon.com to send you the comic. I was on there the other day, and it said that the item usually ships in about 7-8 weeks or something like that, and I'm like no way. I really don't want to wait a whole month to get it. How long did it take any of you to obtain a copy? Where did you order it from?
Mayelin - [dulcemiel83@aim.com]
Mayelin Gonzalez
posted @ Thu, Jun 29, 2006 7:16:12 pm EDT from 67.83.33.17

Some great ideas, Todd. If you know a few places, feel free to hit them! :)
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The Tenth Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"Plato once said that for everything that exists, there is a perfect form of it somewhere. A perfect human being, a perfect chair, a perfect stick, so that everything is a shadow of that one perfect form. Now, if we follow that train of thought, that means that somewhere in the universe there exists the perfect form of the absolute and complete idiot and he left here an hour ago." - Matthew Gideon
posted @ Thu, Jun 29, 2006 7:08:39 pm EDT from 68.199.4.45

Thinking about this "Get the word out" business, it occurred to me that there are two seemingly unorthodox, yet appropriate, groups to contact in informing people about the Gargoyles Season Two Volume One DVD and urging them to buy it:

1. Shakespeare fans. GSTVO (as I'm calling it here to save space) includes such Shakespearean figures as Macbeth, the Weird Sisters, and Puck - not to mention Gargoylized analogies to Othello, Desdemona, and Iago - and to top it off, its big episode (big in the sense of the one that gets a commentary), "City of Stone", does its own "revisionist" take on "Macbeth".

2. King Arthur fans. GSTVO has "A Lighthouse in the Sea of Time", for a start. We Gargoyles fans customarily focus on the pro-literacy content in that episode, but it's also one of the most intelligent and literate handlings of the Arthurian legend that I've seen in televised animation, one that certainly makes Merlin into more than just another old white-bearded wizard. That's enough to recommend it to any Arthurian buff. And there's also "Avalon" with Arthur himself showing up on stage in Part Three.

Which brings me to a related issue. There's a webcomic that I recently discovered called "Arthur King of Time and Space" (click on my name to see it), a bizarre but often very funny strip about King Arthur and his friends and enemies developing analogies of themselves in other time periods (a Star Trek-style futuristic world, modern-day America, the Wild West, etc.), which has its own forum. I was thinking of mentioning GSTVO at the forum, but I wasn't certain if it was ethical to do so - even if I focus on the Arthurian aspects (see above) as I fully intended to do, would that be like spamming? I was wondering what everyone else here thought about that.
Todd Jensen
Gargoyles - did for monstrous-looking statues what "Watership Down" did for rabbits!
posted @ Thu, Jun 29, 2006 7:00:31 pm EDT from 4.244.210.6

Stormy> Those DVD sets you mentioned are mostly put out by KID RHINO. They loSt the rights to Transformers, though, and Sony now has the rights (They bought out Sunbow's parent or something like that) so there may be a better set comming soon.

However, I find KID RHICHO VERY expensive. The Transformers sets when first realesed cost $100 Canadian (around $90 us).

The My Little Pony Season 1 cost me $60, but I got it off Amazon and with a better Canadian dollar, it was cheaper.

I saw the JEM set going for $80 ($65)...

It sucks that they are so much money... That a reason some people don't buy these things. They cost an arm and a leg.

I've known about most of those for a long time...

I can't wait for Tale Spin or DWD...

GUMMIE BEARS, WHERE ARE YOU?!?!?
Battle Beast - [Canada]
that is all I will say.
posted @ Thu, Jun 29, 2006 5:48:28 pm EDT from 198.53.28.99

Hi everyone thanks for your warm welcome backs :) *takes cookie*

The comic- I *finally* got my copy yesturday, and Im really excited about it. I know that there has been some controversy about the art ect.. ( Im not getting into that, its been beaten to death.) I must say though, Im quite pleased, and happy to see that the script matches the pilot wonderfully. Its thrilling to finally have a continuation of the story, after waiting 10 years, hoping and dreaming that perhaps one day we would see our beloved clan in action again. Ill wait patiently, and cross my fingers for the continuation of the comic. The more support we get, the better.
Faytefire - [dragondreamer@comcast.net]
posted @ Thu, Jun 29, 2006 4:51:47 pm EDT from 71.234.169.135

WCM>Right now, anything will help. Sooner or later we will spread the word.

BattleBeast> Thank you for the compliment. I truly need it after what i have to endure.
Warcrafter - [grafixfangamer1@sbcglobal.net]
LEEEEEERRROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOYY JEEEEEEEEEEEEENKIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINS is my idol!
posted @ Thu, Jun 29, 2006 4:47:23 pm EDT from 69.234.0.136

Battle Beast> Thanks. :)
KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra_582@hotmail.com]
posted @ Thu, Jun 29, 2006 3:55:17 pm EDT from 209.239.132.140

I have the news about the DVD situation up on Toon Zone and the hit count is steadily rising. Unfortunately, most of the response in our forums so far is mainly just Disney bashing. I'm working on getting people to move past that and on to spreading the word though.
William C. Maune - [william.maune@toonzone.net]
posted @ Thu, Jun 29, 2006 2:25:09 pm EDT from 12.207.82.138

Makhasu: TaleSpin is coming out in August, I believe the 29th, and so is Darkwing Duck. Both volumes include the pilot episode and 20-some other episodes. (If I remember right, DWD is the 2 part pilot plus 25 eps, and TS is the 4 part pilot plus 23 eps.)

I found out because I'm a member of tvshowsondvd.com

But that DOES go to say something...I have been actively looking on the net for box sets of my favourite cartoons and was able to get "in on the ground floor" for Transformers, JEM, Thundercats, My Little Pony, and now TaleSpin. If I hadn't been deliberately seeking these out, I might never have known, and how many potential sales are people who will pick it up if they know it exists, but won't spend the time researching every few months to see if or when it might be coming to DVD?
Stormy - [decepticoncommand@hotmail.com]
posted @ Thu, Jun 29, 2006 9:40:05 am EDT from 142.167.218.172

King Cobra>

http://studio.go.com/cgi-bin/gmail/generic_mail.cgi?template=video/dvd_feedback/feedback.tpl

This adress is better than the one I had found.

Just write a VERY NICE note thanking them for releasing the DVDs and POLITELY ask them to release the last season!

Makhasu> THANKS!!! THIS IS A BETTER LINK THAN THE ONE I FOUND! THANKS SO MUCH!!!
Battle Beast - [Canada]
that is all I will say.
posted @ Thu, Jun 29, 2006 9:24:26 am EDT from 198.53.28.99

Warcrafter> staff@gatheringofthegargoyles.com
That email is your best bet. And 2007 will be using it as well, so you will get in contact with someone for sure. :D

The DVD > Greg specifically mentioned sales, in fact, it was suprising that there were quite a few fans at the gathering who didn't get the second DVD yet. (The nice thing was, that all the fans that came to the banquet, were given a copy, courtesy of Disney)

But I still think emailing (AND WRITING) to Disney *IS* a good idea, just also encourage your friends. It's so surprising how many people you meet who don't even know either DVD is out. @.@

Makhasu> I will promise! (There's a few basic things, but people asked questions about the comic's plot throughout the gathering, so I tried to write those down as much as possible)I'm just waiting on Gorebash for something first. :)
Siryn - [siryn7@aol.com]
Vinnie Grigori's #1 Fan!
posted @ Thu, Jun 29, 2006 8:38:45 am EDT from 65.185.9.61

MAKHASU - In that case, the subdued response really is something to wonder about. Maybe it's just been so long since the show was cancelled that a lot of the fans have "gotten over it" and subtly moved on, without realizing it. I know that it's become that way with me; I'm glad that the comic's coming out, but it hasn't made as big an impact on me as it might have done in, say, 1999.

And I'm still wondering *when* Amazon.com is going to realize that the comic has been released for over a week now and to get around to ship the ones that its customers ordered off to them. I'd better find another way of ordering issue No. 2.
Todd Jensen
Gargoyles - did for monstrous-looking statues what "Watership Down" did for rabbits!
posted @ Thu, Jun 29, 2006 8:16:12 am EDT from 4.244.215.232

Faytefire and Battle Beast> Where can I go to fill out this questionnaire?
KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra_582@hotmail.com]
posted @ Thu, Jun 29, 2006 7:51:12 am EDT from 209.239.132.188

OI! I found a better link for contacting Disney about the Gargoyles dvd release! This one allows you to contact Disney DVD directly and enquire about future releases. Just choose Title Availability as the nature of your feedback. If you sent a letter to the link Battle Beast found, I'd recommend also sending it here.
http://studio.go.com/cgi-bin/gmail/generic_mail.cgi?template=video/dvd_feedback/feedback.tpl

Another Gathering come and gone and I didn't get to go. Everything I've heard and seen so far only makes me wish I could kick something. I particularly wanted to see the Team Atlantis episode, 'The Last.' That and the fanart, the panels, everything... *bawls*

Todd - "It's fair to point out that part of the "subdued response" to the first issue of the Gargoyles comic having just come out is due to timing; so many of the fans were away at the Gathering during the weekend and didn't have the opportunity to post much about it on the Internet." Perhaps, but the response to the initial news was fairly subdued even before the Gathering was coming up. The Creature Comics yahoo group has had almost no activity and there hasn't been much of a 'lively buzz' in the CRs. It's just kind've... odd.

Battle Beast - "Did everyone read my last post??? Did you do it???" Yep. I've also sent my letter to the link I found, since that goes directly to Disney DVD.

JJ Gregarius - "It's just that from Greg Weisman's comments, the comic's going to be on the edge of cancellation throughout its run. It's more of an Indian summer than a golden age. The threshold for success sounds too high." Don't be so pessimistic. Give the poor horse a chance to recover before sending it to the glue factory.

Stormy - "I just hope they actually FINISH Tale Spin, since they seem to be starting series and figuring one box worth is enough for people." They're releasing Tale Spin? I used to watch that years and years ago. Didn't know it was gonna be out on dvd. I guess this is an example of Disney not promoting these old shows. How can they complain that Gargoyles isn't selling if they don't promote the releases? >=(

Siryn - "Greg did make some revelations about what's to come in the comic and 'hints' and spoilers etc at the Gathering. I took notes." Post 'em, please! ^_^

Lord Sloth - "Great idea you have about the avatars and banners, hope you share them around." Thanks. I'll definitely be sharing them ASAP. That idea about posting Amazon.com reviews is good. I'll be doing that too.

Vashkoda - "And if anyone is wondering where GNC has gone these last few weeks, it is due to technical difficulties that should soon be resolved." I was just about to post on that subject. It's nice to hear that it'll be back soon.

Faytefire - Welcome back. ^_^
Makhasu - [aknellthatsummonsthee@yahoo.com]
Shave my chest and call me baldy!
posted @ Thu, Jun 29, 2006 2:34:23 am EDT from 66.74.220.146

Faytefire> Welcome again! Have another cookie! *Holds out a plate*

Faytefire, Warcrafter, Lord Sloth> Thank you to you all and to EVERYONR who sent in an email. IT DOES HELP!!!

WE NEED ALL EMAILS WE CAN GET!

I got the same response to the question, EXACTLY THE SAME. So long as they are forwarded to the proper people, this is a plus!

PLEASE! IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY EMAILED, DO SO ANYWAY! IT WILL HELP!

They know we are out there, the more the better!!!

(See my post below)
Battle Beast - [Canada]
that is all I will say.
posted @ Thu, Jun 29, 2006 12:26:42 am EDT from 198.53.28.99

Hi all,
this is me de-lurking.. and sorta reintroducing myself. Ive been a fan all these years.. and posted frequently at TGS and sometimes here too under "Bronx." Anyway, Battle Beast- I filled out the questionare, and this was the response:

Shannon,

Thank you for your e-mail regarding GARGOYLES: SEASON 2, VOLUME 2. We
appreciate your interest.

We do not have a DVD release date for this title at this time.

We will forward your request for release to our Marketing Department for
consideration.

Please visit our website at
www.disneyvideos.com
for future details.

Again, thank you for taking the time to contact us.

Regards,

WDHE Consumer Relations
US and Canada

That is a bummer... but I agree, that if everyone makes a request, perhaps that will help!
Faytefire - [dragondreamer@comcast.net]
posted @ Wed, Jun 28, 2006 9:28:43 pm EDT from 71.234.169.135

No time to say much except: WELCOME BACK LORD SLOTH!!!!
*bows* Missed you.

Later guys.
Matt
posted @ Wed, Jun 28, 2006 9:10:18 pm EDT from 70.230.148.7

Hello, everyone! It's been a long time since I've posted in here, but I occasionally drop by to read the comments. Hearing that Greg Weisman is going to be in my area prompted me to post.

<Lord Sloth wrote: "CONvergence 2006" on July 7-9 at which Greg Weisman will be one of the guests."
If you got that from a Tolkien newsletter, is this convention MiddleEarth themed? If so I wonder what Greg's connection to that would be…I wonder very much.>

I can confirm Todd's later comment about it being a general con...I live in the Twin Cities (Bloomington is about 35 miles away), so I've heard of CONvergence but never attended. I think it originally began as a Star Trek convention but has expanded over the years into a general con, adding gaming, anime, fantasy, and comics. (See their homepage at http://www.convergence-con.org/). The guest list, in addition to Greg, includes actors from various Trek shows, writers, and even a NASA engineer.

A former coworker volunteers at this con (she dresses up like a Klingon). Maybe she can get me an autographed copy of the comic since I'll likely be out of town that weekend - and maybe encourage her to buy a DVD or comic at the same time.

Also, I ordered the comic through Amazon, and though the product page says "5 to 8 weeks" for delivery, I received a ship date of June 30 (about a week after I placed the order). So I have yet to see it but appreciate everyone's comments.

I hope S2V2 comes out on DVD and have been spreading the word among friends, including encouraging them to buy it online when it seemed hard to find in local stores. And a friend who is a moderator on a Narnia-related forum usually has a Gargoyles avatar and has used it as a springboard for spreading the news - he's had a number of fans come out of the woodwork there and express interest in the DVDs.
Abby
posted @ Wed, Jun 28, 2006 5:30:48 pm EDT from 24.118.226.247

Warcrafter - if it wasn't for A Fan walking into the hotel room, I would have slept through the entire banquet. I really gotta work on Sunday's journal with regards to remind myself how exactly that came to be (not me being late, being so sleepy).

Guardian - <Whoah, dude, calm down.> Your post made it sound like I wasn't going to post anymore of my gathering journal. <See, while you will be posting in parts, I'll be posting in one big long post, and put everything in it.> Ahh.
dph_of_rules
Whatever happenned to simplicity?
posted @ Wed, Jun 28, 2006 4:29:32 pm EDT from 63.232.223.105

Aw, crud.

I copied and pasted part 2 of my Con Journal from my LJ on Ask Greg, but forgot to edit some of the swearing. Eeps.

I don't suppose there's anyway to remove it, make the corrections, and repost it again?
KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra_582@hotmail.com]
posted @ Wed, Jun 28, 2006 3:20:12 pm EDT from 209.239.132.17

<leaving lurker mode for a split second>

I did a quick search and didn't see this mentioned yet in the Comment Room. If you don't want to wait on Amazon, try ordering the comic direct from SLG Publishing. http://store.slavelabor.com They just barely added the comic to their online store a couple days ago.
Ry
posted @ Wed, Jun 28, 2006 2:44:23 pm EDT from 208.251.101.250

dph> Whoah, dude, calm down. I understood you were going to post in parts. Looking back at my post, I obviously must not have made myself clear. See, while you will be posting in parts, I'll be posting in one big long post, and put everything in it. Thusly, then, my question about character limits.

To which I thank Sadistic Cow, again, for answering. :)
Guardian - [Guardian_R105@hotmail.com]
AKA Carole or, and I thought of this two nights ago, GuardINO, or "Guardian In Name Only." Isn't that cool?
posted @ Wed, Jun 28, 2006 2:27:57 pm EDT from 69.230.64.239

Battle Beast> I tried out the thing you said and sent an e-mail. I got a reply saying that they will forward my comment to the marketing department for consideration. Well that certainly is a plus :)
Warcrafter - [grafixfangamer1@sbcglobal.net]
If George Bush had Dick Cheney's first name, his name would be Dick Bush, and I'd tell you I'd listen to a lot more of his speeches.
posted @ Wed, Jun 28, 2006 2:06:01 pm EDT from 69.231.208.86

I had so much fun at the con. Ill post more later cause iim so so so tired. Haha and if anyones interested ill tell you how I got gene simmons gargoyle idea *L*
Shara - [jeanie54_2000@yahoo.com]
posted @ Wed, Jun 28, 2006 1:58:48 pm EDT from 4.245.120.2

Song of the South> I thought the exact time period was meant to be post Civil War, but the way it was set up it could easily be pre- or post. Either way, I'm interested in it mostly for the animated shorts part. A friend had downloaded a copy from the European laser disc, and I'd seen bits of it. Biggest thing that made me squirm (as an African-American) was the dialogue, that old, stereotypical speak. I understand Disney wanting to play it safe, but I agree that it should be released with a Leonard Maltin intro, like they did with the WWII shorts. It's at least a decent film and parts of it are important to the Disney history (namely "Zip-pe-dee-do-da"). At least Iger says there's a possibility.
Asatira
posted @ Wed, Jun 28, 2006 12:57:53 pm EDT from 24.214.68.215

BATTLE BEAST -- You're a little off the mark about "Song of The South", sorry to say.

The story behind this movie deals with a young boy from a prominent Southern family, who befriends Uncle Remus -- a black slave who works on the family's plantation. Remus is a kindly man, who tells the boy stories about the animals that live around them -- told in animated format -- which are chiefly about the misadventures of Brer Rabbit, as he matches wits with the likes of Brer Bear and Brer Fox.

Unfortunately, the boy's father feels that these tales are influencing him in a negative manner, so he orders Remus to leave and never come back (though I think also remus was sold to another owner, I can't be certain, it's been ages since I last watched the movie). This upsets the boy, and he defies his father by running after Remus, only to get himself hurt by the family's bull when he crosses a field. In the end, Remus helps the boy get better by telling him another story, and even then the father admits there is some merit to having Remus and his stories around.

Personally, I can understand why some people would be... uncomfortable about the movie, but truth be told, it's the animated segments that hold my attention.

BTW, Battle Beast, condolences to the Oilers... would have been cool to see them hoist the Cup, but looks like Game 7 History was against them.

Maintain and Check Six!
Stephen Sobotka Jr
Feel the rain on your skin. No one else can feel it for you, only you can let it in. No one else... can speak the words on your lips. Drench yourself in words unspoken. Live your life with arms wide open. Today is where your book begins... The rest is still unwritten.
posted @ Wed, Jun 28, 2006 12:39:42 pm EDT from 24.94.159.208

Here are my photos from the con:
http://s8.org/gargoyles/gathering/2006/images/

Redraptor was cool enough to walk around with my camera and grab some pics while I was off causing trouble so the vast majority of them were taken by her. Be warned: they're big images. I'll get to the movies at some point.
Gorebash
posted @ Wed, Jun 28, 2006 12:36:24 pm EDT from 207.206.239.248

Has EVERYONE read my long post below and done what it siad? this will only work if we all try at least once.

Lord Sloth> "Song of the South" was a movie from Disney in the forties about a black man in an animated world. The movie is very steriotypical of the poor African American male and some say it borders on rascism. (The main character is a Poor african american after the civil war named Uncle Remus.)

Some say Uncle Remus is the nicest person you'll ever meet; other disagree. I've heard from a lot of African Americans who who don't see any problems with the movie; the Disney Company is more worried about a large back-lash, more than anything.

Disney has basically blackballed it's own movie; Eisner would NEVER release it, and Iger is running along those lines but admits that IT COULD be released with a Leonard Maltin Introduction that says "back in those times, this was acceptable" and "These days, we are better than that time." OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.

This movie gave rise to the songs "Laughing Place" and "Zip a dee doo dah."

It's ironic that Disney would use it's own blackballed movie for a ride inspiration (Splash Mountain.) A bit hypocritical, I think.

I think it's time they DID release the film on DVD with a proper introduction, and the treatment it deserves...
Battle Beast - [Canada]
that is all I will say.
posted @ Wed, Jun 28, 2006 11:47:29 am EDT from 198.53.28.99

Todd> Amazon will ship the comic, I THINK, the day it's released, so it may be a day or so more to wait.
Battle Beast - [Canada]
that is all I will say.
posted @ Wed, Jun 28, 2006 11:31:21 am EDT from 198.53.28.99

dph_of_rules> yes, you did sit at the same banquet table as me. I believe you came in late.

SIryn> I will most definietly remember that for next time. That is, if i can go. Anyway, is it to late to contact them now since the gathering is over?
Warcrafter - [grafixfangamer1@sbcglobal.net]
If George Bush had Dick Cheney's first name, his name would be Dick Bush, and I'd tell you I'd listen to a lot more of his speeches.
posted @ Wed, Jun 28, 2006 11:12:34 am EDT from 69.231.208.86

Todd: Oh, I think as long as someone doesn't like something and keeps saying so, and a second someone is willing to argue the point, there will be conflict or at least debate :)

I once figured that TGC should be as canon as every other Gargoyles episodes, until I learned how much of the original Gargoyles was all about Greg's Master Plan, and how TGC didn't fit into it. Still, if it were me, I'd probably try to retcon the events of TGC into the master plan other than ignoring them.

But I don't think Greg's "Wrong" not to. It's HIS story, and HIS choice, and just because I might do something differently, doesn't mean there's a "Right" and a "Wrong" choice here.
Stormy - [decepticoncommand@hotmail.com]
posted @ Wed, Jun 28, 2006 10:46:33 am EDT from 142.167.215.61

Jen> I had a great time, and I'm glad I was able to help out. More details are in my LJ post, linked below.

Trip itself> for me, I don't really like the journey, mostly because the journey is pretty direct most of the time. There was that one trip to Gatlinburg that wasn't very direct, but we also blame Yahoo! maps (we got lost and had a hard time finding a gas station or store to buy a real map). Going and coming, somehow managed to get to both airports earlier than expected, so I had little stress about security check-in. Leaving Atlanta, had about an hour delay because of airconditioning. Flight itself a little bumpy towards the start and finish. Home flight was practically perfect.
Asatira
posted @ Wed, Jun 28, 2006 10:45:20 am EDT from 24.214.68.215

Gore> bwhaha. I was BORN ready...the question is...ARE YOU? ;D mwhaha. *hugs* Btw, it was great seeing you and hanging out with you as always...even if we girls did torture you a bit. ~_^ PS. Our panel, rocked. ;D

Vash> I sent you an email, but just in case you see this first. I will be posting notes and thoughts and all kinds of good stuff shortly...>;D So don't worry, I'll share what I know.

Greg Weisman WILL be at Convergence and he WILL be talking about the Gargoyles comic (and hopefully WILL have Gathering 2007 flyers ZOMG WEE!) soo yeah. O.o He was talking about it at the Gathering.

Harvest> my first plane ride was fine, but the second one (and shorter of the two, was really scary with lots of bumps and turbulance and the plane bouncing up and down. @.@)

Warcrafter> I'm not CrzyD, but I'm not sure that email works anymore, that's why you should always contact Gathering staff by the GATHERING email on the website for Gathering orders so you know if it doesn't get to one of us, the other 10 will get it. <:) Remember that for next time? :)
SIryn - [siryn7@aol.com]
Vinnie Grigori's #1 Fan!
posted @ Wed, Jun 28, 2006 10:03:47 am EDT from 65.185.9.61

HTML & Ask Greg: Won't work. HTML isn't stripped out, but special characters are escaped so the raw HTML is readable rather than used to enhance the text. As for character limit, I believe it's 65kb, which is fairly large. I believe when I did some testing a couple years ago I sought through to find what the largest comment had been up to that point and it rang up at around 28kb.
Gorebash
posted @ Wed, Jun 28, 2006 8:59:48 am EDT from 71.243.27.2

LORD SLOTH - The newsletter covers general conventions as well as Tolkien-themed ones.

HARVESTER - I'm still waiting for Amazon.com to send the issue I'd ordered from them as well. It seems to have taken them a while to realize that it's been released - unless they never got around to obtaining copies from SLG.

STORMY - At least it could have ensured far fewer arguments over whether the Goliath Chronicles are canon (I know that there are still people out there who believe that they should be; there was even a thread about that recently in the Toon Zone forums). Admittedly, the gargoyles getting genuinely blown up in Castaway's trap in Act I might have been more believable than the notion that Xanatos made all those modifications to it with the Quarrymen being none the wiser (they can't surely be *that* unobservant).
Todd Jensen
Gargoyles - did for monstrous-looking statues what "Watership Down" did for rabbits!
posted @ Wed, Jun 28, 2006 7:20:52 am EDT from 4.244.215.208

Um, did anyone have a fun plane ride? ( ;
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75@gmail.com]
"Explain to me again how we were going to conquer the Earth with a white Michael Jackson?"
posted @ Wed, Jun 28, 2006 6:31:12 am EDT from 69.174.3.196

Warcrafter - Didn't I end up at the same table as you during the Banquet dinner? Just wanna make sure my memory isn't fuzzy.

Guardian - <Only, unlike dph, I'll be posting the whole dang thing -- once it's done -- crazy-awesome stories and all.> What part of "it's not complete" don't you understand? I thought I made it clear from my post, my Gathering Journal is going to be posted, but I haven't written it all out yet. It's going to be spread, 1 post per day's events. so I'll have a Friday Gathering Journal separate from my Saturday Gathering Journal separate from my Sunday Gathering Journal separate from my Monday Gathering Journal. It's going to be at least a 5 parter.

Gorebash - Good to know you got back safely.
dph_of_rules
Whatever happenned to simplicity?
posted @ Wed, Jun 28, 2006 4:23:56 am EDT from 63.232.223.76

I forgot to add something. On the order sheet, i didn't go by the name of Warcrafter, but of Bryan Osborne. And i know this kind of stuff shouldn't be in the comment room, but i couldn't help it
Warcrafter - [grafixfangamer1@sbcglobal.net]
If George Bush had Dick Cheney's first name, his name would be Dick Bush, and I'd tell you I'd listen to a lot more of his speeches.
posted @ Wed, Jun 28, 2006 2:23:59 am EDT from 69.231.208.86

Jennifer "CrzyDemona" Anderson> I sent it to this e-mail <jla@artchicks.org> Im guessing that it's for the website and it said you were in charge of the website so i thought it was best to ask you. Anyway, i was just asking if you or whoever was in charge at the booth in the dealer's room got my order correctly. When i made my first order i don't know if i put down my whole address. Than i made an order for another shirt the next day but i just put down my name. Just wondering if you guys got the orders for all three shirts and got the whole address. Just one more question, do you know how long it would take for delivery. Oh, and if im asking the wrong person the wrong thing, wow how embarrassing for me XD
Warcrafter - [grafixfangamer1@sbcglobal.net]
If George Bush had Dick Cheney's first name, his name would be Dick Bush, and I'd tell you I'd listen to a lot more of his speeches.
posted @ Wed, Jun 28, 2006 2:11:50 am EDT from 69.231.208.86

CrzyDemona> I had a very great time at the con. Thanks. :)

Though the plane ride(s) weren't entirely fun.

Sadistc Cow> I'd bought the Phoenix Gate and the Grimorum Anthologies at the con, and I'd noticed you had a chapter in the Phoenix book, so I check it out. Very nice work.

Con Journals> I posted part 1 of mine (I'm gonna post it in 3 parts) on my LJ (http://kingcobra-582.livejournal.com/) and on ASK GREG. Anybody wants to check it out and leave a response on my LJ, then, by all means, please, feel free. :)
KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra_582@hotmail.com]
posted @ Wed, Jun 28, 2006 1:51:12 am EDT from 209.239.132.183

Guardian - "Another question comes to mind, then: is there a character limit to an Ask Greg submission? Additionally, and this just occurred to me, are basic HTML fonts permitted here?"

I'm not aware of any character limits to Ask Greg... so there might not be. Does anyone know?

I don't think basic HTML fonts are allowed; I am pretty sure that <i> and <b> and such don't work, and I don't think brackets are allowed -- at least, the squarish ones, ---> ( ) are allowed. (Or so I've discovered in the comment room; I think that's to block spammers.)

Hope that helps. :)
The Sadistic Cow - [midnightfantasia [at] hotmail.com]
"Every day I smoke two hundred cigarettes and one hundred cigars and drink a bottle of whisky and three bottles of wine with dinner. And dinner is meat. RAW meat. The cook serves me an entire animal and I fight it bare-handed and tear off what I want and eat it and have the rest buried. In NEW JERSEY! For H.A.T.E.!" - Dirk Anger
posted @ Wed, Jun 28, 2006 1:37:51 am EDT from 69.157.14.20

Sadistic Cow/Vashkoda/dph of rules:
Many thanks to you three for answering my question. I, personally, have full intentions of posting my experience on Ask Greg. Only, unlike dph, I'll be posting the whole dang thing -- once it's done -- crazy-awesome stories and all.

Another question comes to mind, then: is there a character limit to an Ask Greg submission?

Additionally, and this just occurred to me, are basic HTML fonts permitted here?
Guardian - [Guardian_R105@hotmail.com]
AKA Carole, or, and I just came up with this last night, "Guardian In Name Only," or GuardINO. Isn't that cool?
posted @ Wed, Jun 28, 2006 1:26:45 am EDT from 69.230.91.165

I got back an hour or so ago. Apparently, I have a sado-mastic streak because everytime I fly I tell myself I will never fly United again. And then I always end up flying United.
CKayote - [CKayote@gmail.com]
It is the eternal fate of the noble and enlightened to be brutually crushed by the armed and dumb.- Jon Stewart
posted @ Wed, Jun 28, 2006 1:17:50 am EDT from 206.57.95.128

Just got back from the con. I didn't update on the CR because I stopped paying the overpriced $10 a day for net access and I forgot to bring my USB cable to the con, so I couldn't upload the videos. Now that I'm home I'll try to get all the goodies up this week.

Every con has been increasingly better and this year was by far the best experience I've had at a con thus far. I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that there are a lot of con regulars who I know by face now and can feel much more comfortable with rather than just a room of unknown faces paired with names on a paper tag around their neck.

The big downers for me this year were that Ed Asner couldn't make it and Jim Cummings (voice of Dingo), who *never* does cons, was there on Saturday and I never got to meet him. But I did hand my camera off to Redraptor who DID meet him and so at least I've got a picture... and my camera met Jim Cummings... lucky camera.

Bah! SO much to say. But this isn't the time. I'll write up my con journal and post it with the pics and videos sooner than later.

Siryn: I'll be getting in touch! You ready? HAH!
Gorebash
posted @ Wed, Jun 28, 2006 12:23:51 am EDT from 71.243.27.2

Warcrafter... Not yet. Did you get the right e-mail?

crzydemona AT gmail DOTcom
Jennifer "CrzyDemona" Anderson - [crzydemona@gmail.com]
No rest for the Con Chair!!
posted @ Wed, Jun 28, 2006 12:20:25 am EDT from 66.174.92.168

Vashkoda and Jennifer "CrzyDemona" Anderson> Did you guys get the e-mails I sent you?
Warcrafter - [grafixfangamer1@sbcglobal.net]
If George Bush had Dick Cheney's first name, his name would be Dick Bush, and I'd tell you I'd listen to a lot more of his speeches.
posted @ Wed, Jun 28, 2006 12:01:44 am EDT from 69.231.208.86

Guardian - <I see that DPH has posted in Ask Greg his/her blog of sorts for the Gathering.> I'm a man, and that's just the pre-story. I have my Friday's and Saturday's journal written up, but I haven't typed them up yet. Sunday's and Monday's journals are in the unwritten category at the moment.

Considering how many people in the past have posted their gathering journal with a story of how they got there, I thought it appropriate to list mine. After all, the journy is often just as important (if not more) as the destination. Even before I left, I knew I was going to put that story in my gathering journal. To me, it was just as important (if not more) than my actual trip there on Friday. What I went through Monday (especially the last parts of it) can't be written right now, because I'm uncertain about parts of it, mainly how my dad acted when I got back. His actions are one thing, his attitude is another. Sunday's journal might be written soon.
dph_of_rules
Whatever happenned to simplicity?
posted @ Tue, Jun 27, 2006 11:27:50 pm EDT from 63.232.248.17

The comic books will help get the word out. People (Nerds, geeks, comic book fans) will see it (hopefully) in their local comic stop and pick it up, read Greg's blog and find out that the DVDs are available. Now, if Greg could advertise the DVDs in EACH episode... wait, I mean *issue,* then we'd get some attention and that what we need. It would have been nice had Disney put it on the BAMBI DVD, but they only do that for *important* DVDs.
Battle Beast - [Canada]
that is all I will say.
posted @ Tue, Jun 27, 2006 10:42:12 pm EDT from 198.53.28.99

ZOMG! Home from The Gathering!!

Those of you who made it there, I hope you enjoyed the show. I wish I had more time to talk to everyone. Thank you all for your support!

:: falls asleep for a week ::
Jennifer "CrzyDemona" Anderson
No rest for the Con Chair!!
posted @ Tue, Jun 27, 2006 10:14:10 pm EDT from 66.174.92.162

Welcome back, con-goers. Wish I could have been among you.

Btw, if anyone is interested in helping with the Team Atlantis/Gargoyles crossover project, please send me an e-mail. And a big thank you to Leo and Jade Griffin for last minute contributions this year.

Siryn> Please post your notes somewhere! I go nuts with note-taking at cons and really regret missing the new revelations and tidbits Greg and others share at the Gatherings I can't attend.

Con-journals> If you don't post them at Ask Greg (though you know you should), please leave links to them in the CR. I try to compile a link list of journals and albums every year.

And if anyone is wondering where GNC has gone these last few weeks, it is due to technical difficulties that should soon be resolved.
Vashkoda - [vashkoda@glaringdream.org]
D2 <can I have it?>
posted @ Tue, Jun 27, 2006 9:34:12 pm EDT from 129.98.125.60

<ENTER LORD SLOTH>

Makhasu> "I got my copy of the Gargoyles comic today. I LOVE IT! My heart skipped a beat from just holding it in my hands."
Fantastic, I'm thrilled by all the (mostly) positive feedback, even if it is a known story. I think, generally, artists often do need a few issues to get into the right stride when it's one that they aren't used to.
Perhaps a good thing to do with you're praise, everyone's praise, would be to supply it into that gaping void that it Amazon's review section:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1593620403/102-9123772-4856111
Likewise, aren't there are other online stores and such on which to rave about it, I don't have good ones other then http://www.tv.com/gargoyles/show/2079/reviews.html , but that's for the show itself. Does anyone know any more? I've yet to read it so I can't speak for more then the 5 preview pages, but I probably ought to write something about the DVDs. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000ATQYVA/102-9123772-4856111
Great idea you have about the avatars and banners, hope you share them around.

Marty> That was very informative, thanks. I know what you mean about waiting for boxed sets. Cheaper, and often re-releases are made to rake in more cash.

JJ> "The threshold for success sounds too high."
I respect that you seem to be a practical pragmatist type of person, but sometimes convincing people of the inconvenient truth (opinion rather) can really have a downer effect. Sometimes hopeless optimism is the only thing to pull a thing from the fire. If we do nothing because it's hopeless, you will be no doubt be proven right. BTW, I did see that you plan to write letters and such in spite of yourself, so kudos for that. The bad news is that there are zero guaranties, but the good news is that there are ZERO GUARANTIES!

Siren> I'd love to see some music videos, I've seen to few all and all, and you're getting some good reviews. Gruarch and Mcbeth could make some enchanting ones, what music is it to?

Todd> It's a tough call, they are all splendid concepts for stories, but I do relish the thought of the double date the most, I think. Meybe it's cause Greg's released the most info on it but: so much romance, so much denial, so much Delihla who barely know. I think I'm hoping for Morgan over Jason, I can still hear the Kieth/Kieth/Salli/Salli scenario in my mind's ear. And I also hope Brooklyn doesn't time jump to quickly, we've got to treasure our time with his innocence while we can.

"CONvergence 2006" on July 7-9 at which Greg Weisman will be one of the guests."
If you got that from a Tolkien newsletter, is this convention MiddleEarth themed? If so I wonder what Greg's connection to that would be…I wonder very much.

Battle Beast> "Did everyone read my last post??? Did you do it???"
I meant to mention that was a nice idea of yours. It won't speak to them more then dollars will, but it is getting the name in their faces which ought not to be bad, and if letters are heart-felt, then we just could reach somebody. So I sent mine, (even recommended your song of the south, though I don't know it) I'm afraid I was a bit deceptive though, sounding younger then I am and (after I read Marty Lund's thoughts) I added that I was waiting for the entire set before I bought part one. If I'm occasionally evil, it's for a good cause.

Me> "I find it hilarious despite not knowing what a BYOBB is."
Oh yeah, bring your own bib, that's it! But I still don't know SNAFU…

<EXIT LORD SLOTH>
Lord Sloth - [nibor_niwri@hotmail.com]
"I know my apprehetions might never be allayed and so I close realizing that perhaps, the ending, is not yet, writen."
posted @ Tue, Jun 27, 2006 9:24:47 pm EDT from 142.177.157.153

Todd: I think another reason for the subdued response might be that the first two issues are "The Journey." I think things will really pick up once we get to the new material in October.

Of course, if people are like me, they're still waiting for their order to come in.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75@gmail.com]
"Explain to me again how we were going to conquer the Earth with a white Michael Jackson?"
posted @ Tue, Jun 27, 2006 8:05:28 pm EDT from 69.174.3.196

todd> Greg did make some revelations about what's to come in the comic and 'hints' and spoilers etc at the Gathering. I took notes, I didn't get all of them (I was staff, so I had staff things to do and was leaving panels halfway through), but I got a couple. I'll post them soon.

I think with the DVDs, a lot of people simply don't know it's out, I agree spreading the word IS important, and all fans should try doing their part. :) I mean, simply bringing it up in conversation, or blogging about it, *gasp* or saying 'hey! Wanna watch a cool show?'.

Also, Gargoyles can't really go 'underground', because it's still owned by Disney, not Greg. They'd seek out and destroy published work in a heartbeat that isn't giving them money, and then Greg would be stripped from the project indefinately. Disney were actually the ones who suggested Greg work with SLG, so props to them in a minor case?
SIryn - [siryn7@aol.com]
posted @ Tue, Jun 27, 2006 7:58:08 pm EDT from 65.185.9.61

Demonskrye: One thing I have noticed, though, is that the Darkwing Duck and TaleSpin box sets coming out in August both include the pilot episodes, and to my knowledge, mention them on the packaging as one of the selling points. So while Disney isn't re-doing the RR and DT boxes to include the pilot in the first volume, they have apparently corrected this choice in following box sets.

I just hope they actually FINISH Tale Spin, since they seem to be starting series and figuring one box worth is enough for people.

Todd: I don't think killing off the clan would've stopped the Gargoyles story. Enough people already reject TGC as canon.

When Is Gargoyles Dead: Quite simply, Gargoyles is dead when Greg decides he is no longer interested in telling this story, or when Greg wraps up the story in a "conclusion" and hangs up his hat as far as telling the story goes.
Stormy - [decepticoncommand@hotmail.com]
posted @ Tue, Jun 27, 2006 7:48:17 pm EDT from 142.167.207.195

Guardian - I'm fairly certain it's true.
The Sadistic Cow - [midnightfantasia [at] hotmail.com]
"Every day I smoke two hundred cigarettes and one hundred cigars and drink a bottle of whisky and three bottles of wine with dinner. And dinner is meat. RAW meat. The cook serves me an entire animal and I fight it bare-handed and tear off what I want and eat it and have the rest buried. In NEW JERSEY! For H.A.T.E.!" - Dirk Anger
posted @ Tue, Jun 27, 2006 7:41:18 pm EDT from 69.157.14.20

Got back yesterday from the Gathering. Con journal in link below (LJ post).
Asatira - [<---- gathering journal]
posted @ Tue, Jun 27, 2006 7:36:34 pm EDT from 68.117.246.81

I was just wondering if the story in #3 of the comic (when it moves into new territory) might be the Double Date story:

1. It's going to come out in October, making a story with a Halloween-setting very timely.

2. Greg Weisman's remarks about the internal chronology of the series indicate that the events of "Hunter's Moon" and "The Journey" took place in late October. With that being the case, the Halloween where Goliath and Elisa go out on the double date with Delilah and either Jason Canmore or Officer Morgan could easily be just a couple of days later.

I might be wrong, of course (especially since Greg's mentioned before that his aborted plans for the third season had "The Journey" being followed by either the "Alex-gets-kidnapped" episode or Brooklyn's Timedancer adventure), but I just thought that I'd mention this possibility.

Side-note: I was just looking at a Tolkien newsletter of mine (came out a couple of weeks ago), and it included in the Conventions list at the back a mention of a "CONvergence 2006" on July 7-9 at which Greg Weisman will be one of the guests. (It's at the Sheraton Bloomington Hotel, in Bloomington, Minnesota.) Just thought that you people might be interested.
Todd Jensen
Gargoyles - did for monstrous-looking statues what "Watership Down" did for rabbits!
posted @ Tue, Jun 27, 2006 6:57:28 pm EDT from 4.245.22.132

I see that DPH has posted in Ask Greg his/her blog of sorts for the Gathering. I spoke to Blaise of s8 during the Gathering, and he said to me that Gorebash was going to reopen Ask Greg submission primarily for the purpose of those who went to the Gathering to blog about their experience. My question is, is this true? And if it is, are people permitted to go and post such now?

Many thanks to all. And expect me everywhere! I was apparently one of fifty-plus walk-ins on Sunday! My faith and enthusiasm for the fandom has been renewed! I have been blessed!

*cue World Harvest background music*
Guardian - [Guardian_R105@hotmail.com]
AKA Carole, or, and I just came up with this last night, "Guardian In Name Only," or GuardINO. Isn't that cool?
posted @ Tue, Jun 27, 2006 5:09:04 pm EDT from 69.230.91.165

Jesus, i got to be honest. i wish the gathering lasted longer. All things i did, finally seeing the Team Atlantis episode "The Last" (which i cant get out of my head, i need to see it again), god so much. I have no idea how ill last an entire year thinking of all of this until the next gathering, that is if im able to go.
Warcrafter - [grafixfangamer1@sbcglobal.net]
If George Bush had Dick Cheney's first name, his name would be Dick Bush, and I'd tell you I'd listen to a lot more of his speeches.
posted @ Tue, Jun 27, 2006 4:36:27 pm EDT from 69.231.241.118

JJ Gregarius - "Why gee, why didn't I think of that? :-P I guess you came up with this idea independently and then decided to post here, though."

Tut-tut, my dear. Unneccesary snarkiness is unbecoming of you. :P

Battle Beast - I saw, and I did. :)
The Sadistic Cow - [midnightfantasia [at] hotmail.com]
"Every day I smoke two hundred cigarettes and one hundred cigars and drink a bottle of whisky and three bottles of wine with dinner. And dinner is meat. RAW meat. The cook serves me an entire animal and I fight it bare-handed and tear off what I want and eat it and have the rest buried. In NEW JERSEY! For H.A.T.E.!" - Dirk Anger
posted @ Tue, Jun 27, 2006 4:03:43 pm EDT from 69.157.14.20

Well, I'm back. I can't say that the trip from Valencia to Phoenix or vica versa is something I'd want to do on a regular basis, but it was a good road trip this once.

On DVDs >> I think one of the biggest handicaps the Season 2 - Vol 1 DVD has is that it draws on both of the negatives belonging to piecemeal releases and bulk releases. On the one hand, it has an elevated price-point - something any DVD product that sports more than a handful of episodes usually faces. On the other, it has the stigma of being fractional - incomplete.

There are always consumers out there who want to wait for the "finished" product or the lower-priced boxed set of something that's first released in pieces. I know I bought the Lord of the Rings on DVD only when the full extended edition uber-box-sets came out for each movie. I only buy Inuyasha in the season boxes too.

Gargoyles isn't like those situations for 2 reasons. A.) It isn't the kind of property that gets 8 or 9 different re-packs in its life and B.) it is only 2 Volumes to the season.

So it actually requires a lot more work to push Season 2 - Volume 1 than it took to push Gargoyles - the complete Season 1 DVD.

It isn't a hopeless situation though. Overall sales figures have nowhere to go but up. The real issue is making sure that the increase is significant enough to warrant Season 2 - Volume 2.
Marty "Kaioto" Lund - [creaturecomics@comcast.net]
posted @ Tue, Jun 27, 2006 12:15:13 pm EDT from 198.187.200.254

dph_of_rules> Glad you're home safe!

Did everyone read my last post??? Did you do it???
Battle Beast - [Canada]
that is all I will say.
posted @ Tue, Jun 27, 2006 10:51:30 am EDT from 198.53.28.99

Maune>> Why gee, why didn't I think of that? :-P
I guess you came up with this idea independently and then decided to post here, though.

Comic>> It's just that from Greg Weisman's comments, the comic's going to be on the edge of cancellation throughout its run. It's more of an Indian summer than a golden age. The threshold for success sounds too high.
JJ Gregarius
posted @ Tue, Jun 27, 2006 10:41:14 am EDT from 206.57.93.104

Something I'm considering mentioning in the letter I send, although I figured I'd run it here first:

What about asking to just at least get the episodes on DVD? Special features, commentaries and etc. are definitely nice and all, but still the main reason I buy the DVDs is to have the episodes. I assume a bare bones DVD set with just the remaining episodes on it would probably be cheaper for Disney and thus might make a release more cost-effective. While there are definitely episodes in the latter half of the second season I would love to have commentary on, I'd much rather have a DVD without extra features than no DVD at all.
William C. Maune - [william.maune@toonzone.net]
posted @ Tue, Jun 27, 2006 9:14:40 am EDT from 12.207.82.138

It's fair to point out that part of the "subdued response" to the first issue of the Gargoyles comic having just come out is due to timing; so many of the fans were away at the Gathering during the weekend and didn't have the opportunity to post much about it on the Internet. Things should pick up once they get back.

(As for me, I'm still waiting for Amazon.com to realize that it came out a week earlier than they were expecting and ship it to me. It's a pity that my neighborhood doesn't have a comics store.)
Todd Jensen
Gargoyles - did for monstrous-looking statues what "Watership Down" did for rabbits!
posted @ Tue, Jun 27, 2006 7:34:29 am EDT from 4.244.214.4

I know this is normally Patrick's icon so forgive me for borrowing it for a sec.

Just had to say that I had a BLAST at my first ever Gathering. Everyone was so fantastic and it was just so great to finally go! I was stoked my friend Bri did so well in the Art Show and that everyone really seemed to adore her works.

And I was ecstatic to attend the Masquerade, let alone get Best Canon Character. Wow. I was just so thrilled that everyone really seemed to like the outfit, and I'm thinking/hoping Greg liked it too ^^

Speaking of the DVD and interest and all...I posted a pic of my costume at a forum I normally attend and immediately someone was like "OMG I must track down the DVDS...do they exist?" and I jumped on it right away to let her know that two DVDs were already out :) Gargoyles fans are always coming out of the woodwork it seems, and I really hope someone we can manage to get S2V2 released.
Trickster - [scruffyrebel@yahoo.com]
posted @ Tue, Jun 27, 2006 3:44:26 am EDT from 24.126.137.116

Testing a different avatar and colors...

I got my copy of the Gargoyles comic today. I LOVE IT! My heart skipped a beat from just holding it in my hands. The series is back and better than ever! The art gets the job done. At times it's rather bleah, and sometimes it really awesome. I'm sure Hedgecock will get better with each issue. The writing is, of course, perfect. I love the timing at the end of the book. ^_^

Now is the best time to be a Gargoyles fan. We've got dvds, an OFFICIAL COMIC CONTINUANCE, the Gathering going strong.... Why do we have people suggesting that the series be given up on? It's not a dead horse, a complete series, or a creative SNAFU. The fanbase's enduring interest is the only reason we have the series again. The series never finished! All the stories we've seen are just a small part of what Greg's waiting to tell. Greg has complete control over the story - what more can we ask for? Sure, the art's not perfect, but it's good enough to tell the story. Besides, I don't see legions of professional artists lining up to take Hedgecock's place. The series is back and that's all that matters.

Disney's not properly promoting the series, so it's up to the fans to do what they can. Write letters, post on forums, try to get comics and animation news sites to post stories about Gargoyles being released; anything you can think of. The littlest post can make a difference. I'm going to make banners, signatures, and avatars promoting the series' return and post at LEAST a few dozen promotions of the series on various major forums. I'll be damned if the series dies for want of a nail!

Greg is right. Some of the fans have been rather lazy. They get a official continuance of the story (something a lot of other fandoms would kill for) and they nitpick it half to death before the first issue is even out. There's little discussion about it and only scattered cheers. The Gargoyles Fan Website, which is the first site that comes up when you do a search for the series, doesn't even mention its return!

Time isn't on our side. Each fan should do what little or lot they can to help.

Siren - I've got those episodes in fairly good quality. I can upload them somewhere for you if you want. BTW, I LOVE your music videos! They were the first Gargoyles MVs I'd ever seen. I particularly adore the Macbeth/Gruoch vid. A remake with dvd footage would be great... ^_^

GOREBASH - Could I make some avatars for this comment room? I wanted to scan various characters from the first Gargoyles issue and add some new high-quality avatars to the pot. I can also make some avatars from dvd screenshots as well. I've done these before and I'm pretty good at it.
Makhasu - [aknellthatsummonsthee@yahoo.com]
For want of a nail... a battle was lost.
posted @ Tue, Jun 27, 2006 2:52:50 am EDT from 66.74.220.146

<ENTER LORD SLOTH>

Sadistic Cow> "Oh boy, I have inspired somebody...."

Well partial credit must go to Mr. Weisman, he did a small part (;p). But your concern and commitment are quite infections, posting so often, digging up those sites; it's inspirational. You remind me of me, back when I was young and a woma- uhhhhhhhh, izer. A womanizer. <Goes shifty eyed> Yeah that's it.

"The idea of pooling money to advertise it is nice, but considering a lot of us are pretty strapped for cash... ahh, I don't know how it would work. It's a nice thought, but it would be kind of rude to ask anyone to do that."

Yes agreed, our numbers and our average age do tend to equal a small amount of dough. I have even less. That was more to illustrate the use of telling as many people as possible. But if we set goals we want to accomplish (and we can start small) a lot of little sums of cash can go a long way. None should feel obligated to sell themselves to slavery though.

And there are committed fans willing to buy more the one copy, if just one of these sets were donated to their local library, could do a lot to spread the word. Now I'm guessing people who are content to rent it would not spend the money to buy it anyway, but...I dunno, maybe we should just donate season 1 but include a self written notice that there's more available to buy (the volume that needs it).

"My friend suggested that we visit the forums for these sites and promote the comic, and perhaps add in something about the DVDs"

Nice, mayhaps volunteers could be split up? I know, I'm still on my organization fantasy, but if we know all bases are covered, people won't have to shoot in the dark about how they can help. We'd might have to elect a leader or three first, but a committee system could work to...<shrugs>

"www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com...and I didn't see a contact section"
it's there, I don't know what browser you use, but it should have a search function. Try "Ctrl f", works for firefox.

Harvester>"The extra B is for BYOBB. And that extra B is a typo."

Heh. I know that that's a Simpson's quote, and I find it hilarious despite not knowing what a BYOBB is.

Battle beast>"O_o ... ... ... Say what? If you are trying to tell us to buy the book and get others too as well, I'm way a head of you."

I know you are. Albeit long winded and over excited, I hope I'm clear enough. If you care to read closer you might find I'm suggesting specific ways we reach more people. But you don't have to.

And I'm spent, night.
<EXIT LORD SLOTH>
Lord Sloth - [nibor_niwri@hotmail.com]
"I know my apprehetions might never be allayed and so I close realizing that perhaps, the ending, is not yet, writen."
posted @ Tue, Jun 27, 2006 1:38:48 am EDT from 142.177.157.153

For those of you who could care less, I got home safely. See my con journal for Monday (after it's written and then posted) for the "Stress of Getting Home"; I'm energized.

A couple of big thanks (aside tp the obvious ones of the con staff and the guests): Thank you A Fan for agreeing to be my roommate. Thank you Gorebash for letting me talk to you. I really needed to. I'll leave the why I was so important to me to talk to Gorebash to my con-journal. I still got finish writing Sunday's and Today's. Plus I got to submit all but my pre-gathering journal.
dph_of_rules
Whatever happenned to simplicity?
posted @ Tue, Jun 27, 2006 12:47:59 am EDT from 63.232.249.63

Warcrafter>> Like one of my professors used to tell me "Could you go back and run over that again? I think it's still wiggling."
Like it's been said: there's still time.
WHO said?? Time for the DVD??
JJ Gregarius
posted @ Mon, Jun 26, 2006 11:41:54 pm EDT from 206.57.93.104

Im back from the gathering....already. sux about the second half of the season two dvd. But likes it was said, theres still time and something tells me that we will get the dvd. Anyway, i should start on my gathering journal.
Warcrafter - [grafixfangamer1@sbcglobal.net]
If George Bush had Dick Cheney's first name, his name would be Dick Bush, and I'd tell you I'd listen to a lot more of his speeches.
posted @ Mon, Jun 26, 2006 11:34:24 pm EDT from 69.231.251.225

A thought!

After talking with a friend of mine who is into comic books (and promising to buy him Season One and S2V2 on DVD and let him pay me back in installments... hey, I said I'd do what's necessary :P), he has given me some links to places where, if he hasn't already, Greg can promote the comic (and maybe the DVDs).

I'm unsure how much of this works, and I don't know if it costs anything to get Greg an interview, but... here are some of the places my friend directed me to:

www.newsarama.com - In the contact section there is a link where people can suggest a story. Do you suppose someone (or Greg himself) can do this and get an interview, and thus promotion?

www.comicbookresources.com - In the contact section here, as well, you can suggest a story.

www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com - This site... wow, it confused the hell out of me trying to find anything since to me it kind of looks jumbled together, and I didn't see a contact section. Though for the more experienced eye, maybe someone can find it.

www.comicscontinuum.com - Doesn't have a forum, and yet again I am having a hard time navigating, but supposedly it's a good site.

My friend suggested that we visit the forums for these sites and promote the comic, and perhaps add in something about the DVDs. One of the forums has a thread which he showed me about the comic, and based on what little I saw it didn't appear to show they knew about the DVDs, so maybe some threads/posts about it in these places will clue people in.

At the very least, it couldn't hurt. It would be advertising, and that would always help, especially since I'm sure at least a few people were fans once. And getting into good, in depth conversations may entice new people to the series to investigate.

Anyway, just thought I'd share.
The Sadistic Cow - [midnightfantasia [at] hotmail.com]
"Every day I smoke two hundred cigarettes and one hundred cigars and drink a bottle of whisky and three bottles of wine with dinner. And dinner is meat. RAW meat. The cook serves me an entire animal and I fight it bare-handed and tear off what I want and eat it and have the rest buried. In NEW JERSEY! For H.A.T.E.!" - Dirk Anger
posted @ Mon, Jun 26, 2006 11:23:37 pm EDT from 69.157.14.20

OK GANG. tHIS IS GONNA BE ALL IN CAPS LOCK SO WE'LL ALL SEE IT.

1) GO TO THIS LINK

http://disneyvideos.disney.go.com/moviefinder/products/Song%20Of%20The%20South.html

2) (ITS FOR SONG OF THE SOUTH) AND GO TO THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE (YOU MAY ALSO CLICK THE LINK ASK FOR THIS TITLE TO BE RELEASED ON DVD, AND KILL TWO BIRDS WITH ONE STONE) AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE, CLICK "QUESTION"

3) THEM THEM ***VERY*** POLITELY FOR RELEASING GARGOYLES ON DVD AND ASK THEM AGAIN ***VERY*** POLITELY TO RELEASE GARGOYLES SEASON TWO VOLUME TWO ON DVD.

4) ASK THEM TO PULICIZE THIS REALSE AND THE TWO PREVIOUS!!!

This may or may not help, but if we all do it, it may just get some heads turning.

IT'S WORHT A SHOT.

I'VE DONE IT. WHY DON'T YOU???
Battle Beast - [Canada]
that is all I will say.
posted @ Mon, Jun 26, 2006 11:12:55 pm EDT from 198.53.28.99

Lord Sloth> O_o ... ... ... Say what?

If you are trying to tell us to buy the book and get otyhers too as well, I'm way a head of you.
Battle Beast - [Canada]
that is all I will say.
posted @ Mon, Jun 26, 2006 11:04:26 pm EDT from 198.53.28.99

Snail Mail -

That's actually a good idea. If anyone who is also writing a letter to them gets a name and address, mind passing it along to me so I can do my part and write to them as well? The thought had never occurred to me before (I'm sheltered, so I didn't quite realize it was possible ^^; ), but now that it has... well, one more way for me to do my part.

Though it rather reminds me of Shawshank Redemption, where the one character wrote one letter a week to the library for funding and they finally gave in just to shut him up... anyone want to try that? XD Heheheheh. Who knows, maybe it would work! ;)

Lord Sloth - "Just wanted to say that this as well other posts you made really helped in convincing me to return and do stuff.... Ha ha, now any tom foolery I get up to again will be on your head!"

Oh boy, I have inspired somebody.... while that usually never tends to be good (this is me we're talking about, after all!), perhaps in this case fortune will be smiling upon me. XD Heehee. Rock on, dude; I think we need all the help we can get at this point, and every one person can make one difference that could turn the tides in our favour.

Some good ideas there, too... it's not really realistic to think that fans are fans of only ONE show; I'm a die-hard Fox's Peter Pan and the Pirates fan (an old, old show that few people remember (and Tim Curry voiced Hook! Eeeeee!) and am a moderator on one of the ONLY message boards about it... where I have already pimped the DVDs and the comic) but I'm also a die-hard Gargoyles fan, I loved Ahh! Real Monsters, and so many other cartoons... well, it's possible if we can find some boards that are relevant to the same themes as Gargoyles, we might uncover a few fans who could be interested in the DVDs!

It couldn't hurt to ask around, at least, and maybe set up an "I'll advertise you if you advertise me" thing with them.

The idea of pooling money to advertise it is nice, but considering a lot of us are pretty strapped for cash... ahh, I don't know how it would work. It's a nice thought, but it would be kind of rude to ask anyone to do that.

Of course, for the artists in the fandom... *ponders* I don't know if it would be legal, but perhaps Gargoyles-themed artwork sold could have a percentage go to advertising in places for the DVDs and comic. I'm no businesswoman, so I'd have no idea how or if that could work. It's something to think about, anyway.

Personally, on my own website (which I have been attempting to work on today, despite the fact that for some reason it's refusing me access) I'm intending to make links on the main page to the DVD and comic sites, so any visitors who go there (who could by some off-chance be old fans) will be inclined to take a peek, and maybe consider purchasing. Maybe others could do the same?

And when I get news on when the other forum I moderate is back up and running, I'll promote it there, too. I know there's one or two fans there who might be interested.

Harvester of Eyes - "Neither am I. I don't have my Disney Afternoon tape of "The Reckoning," anymore, and I miss Fang's "kinky!" remark. And I think censorship is for pussies and facists."

Bloody right! The only episodes I have, or have been able to get are the two previous DVDs, and I'd hate to have them feel lonely on the shelf without the S2V2 set. That and I'm greedy; I want S2V2 and I don't care HOW I get it, as long as I do. And I don't care WHAT I have to do to get it (aside from some obvious things which are filthy, and won't do): I. Want. S2V2.

I also agree on the censorship bit. Bwahaha!

Matt - I am getting my comic on Wednesday, so you're not the only one who's excited to have it in your hands! I want to seeeee! XD
The Sadistic Cow - [midnightfantasia [at] hotmail.com]
"Every day I smoke two hundred cigarettes and one hundred cigars and drink a bottle of whisky and three bottles of wine with dinner. And dinner is meat. RAW meat. The cook serves me an entire animal and I fight it bare-handed and tear off what I want and eat it and have the rest buried. In NEW JERSEY! For H.A.T.E.!" - Dirk Anger
posted @ Mon, Jun 26, 2006 9:43:29 pm EDT from 69.157.14.20

Starlioness: <so I'm guessing even If the comic does super well, that wouldn't even make a dent in Disney reconsidering that> So, it can be used in other ways. I do agree that there's a lot to be said for writing a letter. If these people who are making the comic sell out don't know that the series is on DVD, and then find out, and THEN find out that it's incomplete and want to go back and get reacquainted with the whole series, imagine if every one of them wrote a letter.

Reno: My faith in amazon.com is a little shaken right now. They don't even have a graphic for the comic. Someone offered some alternative links last week. I tried one of those. Hopefully, I'll get it next week.

Lord Sloth: <I just want to say in response to JJ Gregarius's "dead horse" analysis that these sorts of beatings can and have jumpstarted the old heart again.> And if they don't, at least we can have a nice BBBQ with the carcass. The extra B is for BYOBB. And that extra B is a typo.

TSC: <So while some people may be willing to call it a complete series at this point, without the S2V2 DVD and having access to a few of the episodes which they taped off ToonDisney or whatever channel they got it from, I am not.> Neither am I. I don't have my Disney Afternoon tape of "The Reckoning," anymore, and I miss Fang's "kinky!" remark. And I think censorship is for pussies and facists.

JJ: <Gotta try a different angle of attack.> Well, their vision is based on movement. And if you have both gasoline and frozen orange juice lying around, you can make napalm.

Todd: If the fandom survived Egon Pax, then frankly, I don't think even a low-yield nuclear weapon could kill it.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75@gmail.com]
"Explain to me again how we were going to conquer the Earth with a white Michael Jackson?"
posted @ Mon, Jun 26, 2006 8:52:53 pm EDT from 69.174.3.196

<ENTER LORD SLOTH?>

Ah, the old nostalgic aroma of cookie dough I associate with Station 8, it's been awhile. But it sounds like it's the time to make more time for this world, and for the first time in MANY years, not in a nostalgic way! It's back! They Live Again!!

Or at least, I desperately hope they will. "Complacency of the fans", it's a heartbreaking concept. All the more so because I'm guilty of this myself to a large degree. Three years ago, this sort of revolution for the franchise would of had me full on fighting and fretting to keep this window open, but somehow I lost my way. Back during 2004 Montreal, my first and only gathering, I wouldn't have thought that my fervor (which was already slipping at the time) would come so close to going out after seeing that fervor first hand in the eyes of the fans.

I tried to stay somewhat connected in ask Greg, so I knew things were moving, but not having internet very often in college disconnected me from the movers, you people. I made a nuscince of my self a fair bit spreading the word for the first DVD, but since then life and other stories have diverged me, till I moved here, renovating a house in Nova Scotia for my mom to retire in, loosely connected to everything, intimate with little.

Then yesterday, I stumbled on Greg's latest plea, read up the past week here and saw preview pages of the comic and it tore me up. Gotta do something now.

I do hope this isn't a widespread problem, I know a lot of you have been with the fandom much longer and would not be distracted so easily. With what sounds like a fantastic Gatherering to debute issue #1 wrapping up, I suppose I'll soon see many fans pour in here, loyalty a blazing. We'll see soon.

I don't want to sound all knowing about the situation, having been away, I may make presumptions that are a tad naive, so try to bear with me. I just want to say in response to JJ Gregarius's "dead horse" analysis that these sorts of beatings can and have jumpstarted the old heart again. Case in point: Farscape. Granted it's a more recent cancellation and a larger fan base, but it still qualifies as a "cult show". Those fans, like all fans, just went nuts when they lost it; but unlike all fans they got organized, and more organized and they never let up till they did get more (an amazing mini series) and (I think) their still at it. They organization managed to get them some money as well, they had specific projects to donate toward getting adverts in magazines, buying DVD sets to donate to libraries and plenty more, but it all revolved around SPREADING the WORD and thus INCREASING the RANKS.

Now, us guys have been known to flog the dead gargoyle for some time, it's the reason most of us are still here; and besides, those were some good times! But NOW it IS kicking, we have 2/3rds of the DVDs, a new comic book series and the ever interesting conventions, this could be the tip of the berg, or we can leave it at that. Personally, I feel sick of sing "K Sara Sara".

Personally, I'd get the help of other fandoms. I'm just now getting acquainted with the Dragonlance fandom after a long single love affair with Dragonlance. I've found that they are in a similar boat what with a beautiful new comic series that needs interest to be shown or…who knows. As someone at the gathering said to me (Greg Bishansky I think), "we're all well rounded nerds here", well, that must apply everywhere to. Dragonlace fans must have once loved/could love/still love gargoyles, what with similar fantastical and epic themes going on, and vice versa for gargoyle fans. Rather then use hit and run appeals to fandoms who might buy DVDs, we should be organized about it, group together those with certain alternative loves and do the missionary thing as a group. Prid pro quo, show support for their troubles and they just might do the same for us (if we don't convert them completely (B^D)). Star Trek, Tolkin, batman, D&Ders, Power Rangers (err, maybe not) many could potentially like this show, if they haven't once already. I acknowledge and applaud efforts already made to get these guys but (again, correct me if I'm wrong) it hasn't necessarily been enough of a team effort. Go go gadget team!

And yes, William, letters don't hurt at all either. There must be someone at disney who makes these sorts of researches and would take notice...

Demonskrye> Well, yes you're right. We should push the show quallities more then it's failures, but if we find like minded fanatics (see above) the stress of our situation could be an aid.

Todd> since fans were disgusted with TGC soon enough anyway, I don't suppose it would make much difference if everyone had died or abandoned NY. The fans still banded together and chose to ignore it for the most part. Some once-fans might be under the belief that it's cannon, but if they know about the comic, that should alleviate their concerns.
And as for Disney's embarrassment, well they ought to be able to see how normal and smart we all turned out. Uhhhhaaahhhg, they've probably seen the convention documentary? Right, no chance of that then.

Matt> Uh yeah. What you said, though of course you mannage to say it first while I'm busy writing my mammoth essay. Heh, good to see yeah again.

Sadistic cow> "I don't know about anyone else, but I don't care what it takes - I want S2V2. And I, personally, will be damned if I don't pull out all the stops and do what's necessary to get it - or, at least, keep the possibility alive for a bit longer. It may be just a cartoon show (and now comic), and I may sound weird for saying this, but Gargoyles was - and still is - an integral part of my life."

Just wanted to say that this as well other posts you made really helped in convincing me to return and do stuff. Now I'm inclined to agree 100%, though it's been an age since I watched (Really watched) an episode, I remember now how it feels. Ha ha, now any tom foolery I get up to again will be on your head! Muhaha, keep it up yall of you, just might reel in some more of us!

P.S. I see my old Cagney image has been claimed, but I'm all for a new look. Let's see how Hudson fits.
<EXIT LORD SLOTH>
Lord Sloth - [nibor_niwri@hotmail.com]
posted @ Mon, Jun 26, 2006 8:10:39 pm EDT from 142.177.157.153

From my own experience, I'd say that snail mail can do a bit of good. Back in early 1997, I wrote a letter to Disney on behalf of "Gargoyles" after I found out that the series was going to be cancelled. One of the people there sent a brief reply to me saying that they thought what I'd said about it was interesting and included in it a few "Gargoyles" cards. So, if nothing else, you might get a pleasant response from the company.
Todd Jensen
Gargoyles - did for monstrous-looking statues what "Watership Down" did for rabbits!
posted @ Mon, Jun 26, 2006 7:53:44 pm EDT from 4.245.19.155

Hey, everybody. I've been moving again (second time in a month, ugh) and havn't had reliable internet access so I've been missing the past few weeks.

Crappy news about the S2V2 DVD. Still, it is not too late yet. Writing letters, spreading the word about the previous DVDs and the comic and just doing what we've been doing for the last 10 years could get the DVD out there one day. I've never given up on this series and its future, and I'm not about to start now. Esspecially not in what could be the beginning of the Golden Age of the Gargoyles fandom. Our Gatherings are still strong with many attendants (in fact, arn't they getting bigger?) and we have most the series on DVD plus new material in the comic. This is a great time to be a Garg fan. Lets keep our chins up and keep trying, we'll get there.

I have not got the comic yet, but I have several issues on order. From now on I'm just gonna have the local comic shop pre-order them for me, this waiting is intolerable. I am excited to see the whole book sitting in my eager little hands!

I hope to be able to drop by more often, but we'll see. Keep the faith, guys and gals.
Matt - [O'Fallon, Mo, USA]
posted @ Mon, Jun 26, 2006 7:52:31 pm EDT from 204.184.4.34

I think there might have been addresses mentioned in the past as well. However, due to turnover, promotions, etc. in the entertainment industry, those names and addresses might not be current. Thus, I was hoping that someone might know the best current address. If no one happens to know, I'll definitely be searching for whatever current addresses I can online.
William C. Maune - [william.maune@toonzone.net]
posted @ Mon, Jun 26, 2006 7:22:57 pm EDT from 12.207.82.138

I'm almost certain Greg W. has mentioned good Disney addresses to write to in the past. If not, I imagine poking around the web a bit would probably turn something up. Whatever you do, don't use the comment form on Disney's website, as it seems totally useless. I sent an e-mail about the absence of the pilot episodes on the "DuckTales" and "Chip 'n' Dale Rescue Rangers" sets and never heard a thing back. Besides, a physical snail mail letter is widely considered to have more impact.

I don't know if there's a ton more I can personally do on the DVD front. I'll consider sending a letter if someone finds a good address. But I already gave all the people I know who would want a copy both Season 1 and Season 2 Part 1. One thing I would suggest to anyone trying to promote the DVD: play down the idea that the future of Season 2 Part 2 is riding on Part 1's sales. We should be touting this as a great series that people are really going to enjoy. You don't want somebody to feel like they're buying it to do a favor for the fandom, because chances are, they won't do it for that reason. I've said many times that I'd be happy to see everything anyone wanted to have on DVD come out on DVD in a reasonable time frame. But that doesn't mean I'm gonna run out and buy copies of something I don't care for or actively dispise just because someone somewhere wants the whole series to come out.

It does confound and bother me how Disney seems to be treating their TV shows on DVD. They seem to just quietly float a box set out into release with little fanfare or advertising and wait for the numbers to come in to determine if they're going to do more. The effect that not having Season Two Part Two may have on sales of the comic is probably not something the Disney decision makers are concerned about. I'm not sure the people in charge of determining whether or not a DVD gets released are even aware of the comic's existance and even if they are, the money from even pretty strong sales of the comic is likely less than a drop in the bucket for Disney. In a way, I guess we should count ourselves lucky; I have heard nothing about second box sets for "DuckTales" and "Rescue Rangers" and we at least got two. But TSC is right. It's a tough blow for those of us who have no copies of the episodes Season Two Part Two would cover.

On the hopeful side, I've noticed that Greg is going to be at San Diego Comic Con. (Me too.) So hopefully some of the throngs of people there will notice the promotion for the comic and maybe realize that the DVD is out.
Demonskrye
posted @ Mon, Jun 26, 2006 7:12:02 pm EDT from 209.6.250.47

The discussion here somehow reminds me of the speculation that I'd had once over: What if the new production team for the Goliath Chronicles had had Goliath and his clan all killed by the Quarrymen in "Angels in the Night" (and presumably didn't let Greg Weisman talk them out of it - the way that Greg actually talked them out of having the clan abandon New York)? Would that have "killed the fandom", so to speak, as in everyone simply viewing the series as dead? Would there have been no Gatherings after that? Would places like this comment room have simply shut down and the fans moving on to other series? (Of course, one snag here is the fact that the Goliath Chronicles didn't show in a lot of areas, so not all of the fandom would have seen that hypothetical episode.) It's a moot point, but I still wonder it occasionally.

I'd wait to see how the comic book does before deciding whether "Gargoyles" was a complete failure. If it goes under (say, the artwork turns too many people off of it), then I'd say that it's time for the "Should we give 'Gargoyles' a funeral and stop trying to revive it?" discussion.

I've still got the latter half of Season Two on tape, anyway, but it's difficult to go back to tape after experiencing DVD. The DVD pictures are much cleaner than the ones on tape, for one thing. And you can automatically jump to the episode that you want on DVD, while you have to feel your way about with a VCR. But I suppose that I'll just have to settle for second-best, for at least a while longer.

I wonder if part of the problem might still be that at least some of the execs at Disney regard "Gargoyles" with a certain level of embarrassment, the way that a clean-cut responsible studious kid at school would feel about a time in his or her life when he/she gave into peer pressure and started dressing and acting like one of the "bad kids" before suddenly seeing himself/herself in the mirror and crying, "What am I doing? This isn't who I am!" Maybe "Gargoyles" would have gotten better advertising if it had been a product of an animation company that had more of a reputation for producing action-packed super-hero cartoons (like WB with its DC Comics-based series) - but such a company might not have come up with "Gargoyles" in the first place, so again, it's a moot point.
Todd Jensen
Gargoyles - did for monstrous-looking statues what "Watership Down" did for rabbits!
posted @ Mon, Jun 26, 2006 7:09:25 pm EDT from 4.245.19.155

Gah! My post should read "(and their address)?" That's what I get for not copyediting closely enough.
William C. Maune - [william.maune@toonzone.net]
posted @ Mon, Jun 26, 2006 6:43:53 pm EDT from 12.207.82.138

Does anyone know who the best person to address a letter to would be (and there address)?

It certainly isn't guaranteed to work, but I think writing letters could be helpful. I've written letters to entertaiment companies in the past and more often that not I have at least gotten a response back, and last year it helped get a show back on Cartoon Network. Thus, I'd like to write a letter encouraging a release of Season 2, Vol. 2 and talking about how much I've enjoyed the previous DVD sets. It may not work, but it certainly can't hurt. When it comes to contacting companies, letter writing is generally the best way to go because people actually get individually written letters in their hands.

Continuing to spread the word is still definitely the top priority, but I think additionally writing letters is worth a shot. First though, the proper name(s) and address(es) to write the letters to must be found.
William C. Maune - [william.maune@toonzone.net]
posted @ Mon, Jun 26, 2006 6:40:50 pm EDT from 12.207.82.138

JJ Gregarius - "At some point, you might have to accept that you're beating a dead horse. Disney apparently cannot make sufficient money off of DVDs sales in the current format. Gotta try a different angle of attack."

Well, obviously. But I'll accept it when it is said, straight-out, no questions asked: "We are NOT going to put the DVD out. Ever." Because right now, the way I understand it, it's said that it "may" not come out - not that it "is more definitely not".

Until then, I'm going to keep trying. :P
The Sadistic Cow - [midnightfantasia [at] hotmail.com]
"Every day I smoke two hundred cigarettes and one hundred cigars and drink a bottle of whisky and three bottles of wine with dinner. And dinner is meat. RAW meat. The cook serves me an entire animal and I fight it bare-handed and tear off what I want and eat it and have the rest buried. In NEW JERSEY! For H.A.T.E.!" - Dirk Anger
posted @ Mon, Jun 26, 2006 5:33:42 pm EDT from 69.157.14.20

Everybody seems to be missing a very import point...
If Greg did underground work, it would not, I repeat, *NOT*, be Gargoyles. It would be a new line of thought, possibly heavily influenced by his background musings about the Gargoyles universe. Hence my comments about Gargoyles being a SNAFU that perhaps should be terminated.

I understand that it would be quite an undertaking, and that it could be infeasible. But at some point, Greg Weisman, (if you happen to be reading this, I might as well address this part to you) you have to make a decision. Either you make your own work, or you work for someone else. If you choose the later, and the series just ain't gonna sell, you accept it, realizing that the work is not yours by your own choice.

TSC>> At some point, you might have to accept that you're beating a dead horse. Disney apparently cannot make sufficient money off of DVDs sales in the current format. Gotta try a different angle of attack.
JJ Gregarius
posted @ Mon, Jun 26, 2006 4:22:03 pm EDT from 206.57.93.104

One way people can help promote the comic is by going to the various websites and leaving comments. I'd start by going to the Reviews/Talk@ sections at http://www.newsarama.com and finding the thread for Gargoyles #1. Also, it doesn't hurt to mention it in your blogs. Never know whether a former Gargoyles fan will read it. (It actually happened once in my case.) There are probably better, more aggressive spread-the-word campaigns than what I suggest, but I'm not really an expert on the subject.

You can also show it to all of your friends, lend them the first season--get them hooked!
Scott Iskow - [smiskow@lycos.com]
posted @ Mon, Jun 26, 2006 3:35:36 pm EDT from 199.34.38.229

JJ Gregarius - "All things considered, I might just tape as many eps as I can off of ToonDisney and call Gargoyles a complete series."

Gee, it must be nice for the people who actually have that channel to be able to tape the episodes. For those of us who DON'T have access to them, whether through a tv channel or just being unable to download them or what-have-you, S2V2 is probably the only way we'll get to see them again. And if it doesn't come out, then we are by all accounts screwed.

I don't know about anyone else, but I don't care what it takes - I want S2V2. And I, personally, will be damned if I don't pull out all the stops and do what's necessary to get it - or, at least, keep the possibility alive for a bit longer.

It may be just a cartoon show (and now comic), and I may sound weird for saying this, but Gargoyles was - and still is - an integral part of my life. So while some people may be willing to call it a complete series at this point, without the S2V2 DVD and having access to a few of the episodes which they taped off ToonDisney or whatever channel they got it from, I am not.

So you, and whoever else, can all be content with things the way they are, but there's no way that I am going to follow that route.

Oh, and: "If it worked for Homestar Runner, if it *really* worked for Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, don't ya think it could work for Greg? He's more talented than the Brothers Chap (former), and Peter Laird and Kevin Eastman (latter) put together IMHO."

The TMNT creators own their creations. But Disney owns Gargoyles, not Greg. :)
The Sadistic Cow - [midnightfantasia [at] hotmail.com]
"Every day I smoke two hundred cigarettes and one hundred cigars and drink a bottle of whisky and three bottles of wine with dinner. And dinner is meat. RAW meat. The cook serves me an entire animal and I fight it bare-handed and tear off what I want and eat it and have the rest buried. In NEW JERSEY! For H.A.T.E.!" - Dirk Anger
posted @ Mon, Jun 26, 2006 3:27:54 pm EDT from 69.157.14.20

I don't think that "complancency of the fans" applies to the whole fandom (though it sounds like it does--complacency of CERTAIN fans might be more accurate, ie, the people who assumed there'd be a S2V2, therefore there was no hurry to buy S2V1).

I don't think Greg means to include people who'd love to buy S2V1, but don't want to skip meals or gamble their ability to pay the rent on it.

And I don't think Greg means people who have bought S2V1 and encouraged others to do likewise.

Personally, I found the weakest episodes to be in the second half of Season 2...when the World Tour became somewhat repetitive, and we'd yet to learn how characters such as Nokkar, Yama, Raven, etc would tie in to the future of the series.

Nevertheless, I really do want the second half of Season 2 on DVD, and I'd be very disappointed if Disney didn't release it. To that end, I'm going to see if I can publicize a bit more, and I think that's what Greg really wants.

If Disney won't advertise its "Disney Afternoon" DVD sets, the fandom has to, in order to get the general public to purchase enough to keep Disney satisfied.

***

Legally, I don't know if Greg could take Gargoyles underground the way TMNT did. Not to mention, a lot of "underground" stuff STARTED There before it went mainstream, and it depends on who has rights to characters, names and likenesses, etc.

As well, the people I know who do underground-style comics find themselves putting a lot of their own time and effort into them for relatively little financial reward. Greg does have to earn a living...I don't think he's able yet to retire and just do Gargoyles to suit himself all day.

On this note, the link on my name is my personal favourite "underground" comic with an ongoing storyline. Do start at the beginning...
Stormy - [decepticoncommand@hotmail.com]
posted @ Mon, Jun 26, 2006 3:23:49 pm EDT from 142.167.201.236

Additional thought: I think blaming this on complacency is a bit childish, Mr. Weisman. Maybe your work just isn't so popular that it could sell without adequate advertising and distribution? Maybe people saw the first season, and thought "This wasn't as good as I remember"; several people have reported getting interested in Gargoyles, only to be somewhat disinterested, even bored, by the monotony of the early part of the series.

***
I loved TRON, but have been content to think of it as a closed story. I can do the same for Gargoyles, much as I would rather not. I respectfully request that you consider who needs whom.

(Ironically, TRON is in comics now, too.)
JJ Gregarius
posted @ Mon, Jun 26, 2006 2:12:47 pm EDT from 206.57.93.104

JJ Gregarius said-->"Still, I will buy the comics, and will write a letter to Buena Vista Home Entertainment respectfully requesting no-frills, single DVD releases."<--

Having seen an earlier comment today on the S2V2 release I think that would be a better idea. They do make half-size discs and I think they should be put to use, this case being no exception. The price of fuel keeps going up and everything else appears to follow suit, so it sure as hell isn't making it easy to go out and buy things like this.
The Winged Vampire - [The_Winged_Vampire@hotmail.com]
posted @ Mon, Jun 26, 2006 2:09:55 pm EDT from 216.37.154.235

Spread the word ABOUT WHAT?
The comic?

I will buy the comic through Amazon shortly -- tonight or tomorrow -- but still...

All things considered, I might just tape as many eps as I can off of ToonDisney and call Gargoyles a complete series.

Disney can't churn out DVDs based directly from the footage they use for ToonDisney, apparently. Given that, what makes you think they will support the comic unless it's a megahit? Ergo, perhaps we should consider Gargoyles an entertaining failure, a truly creative SNAFU, and hope Greg Weisman can create some sort of underground story (comics, print literature, web-based storytelling, or whatever is on the horizon) that *he* can control.

If it worked for Homestar Runner, if it *really* worked for Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, don't ya think it could work for Greg? He's more talented than the Brothers Chap (former), and Peter Laird and Kevin Eastman (latter) put together IMHO.

Why be slaves to the Mouse? "Disney" is just a name; Walt's been dead for decades.

***
Still, I will buy the comics, and will write a letter to Buena Vista Home Entertainment respectfully requesting no-frills, single DVD releases.
JJ Gregarius
posted @ Mon, Jun 26, 2006 2:00:13 pm EDT from 206.57.93.104

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