X_x First Knight was a horrible movie, though, and from what little I know, fairly well mangled much of the original story.

Check out "Excalibur." I think that one stays a little more true to the legend (as much as a single movie can), and had some really spectacular costumes. And it has Patrick Stewert. ^_^
Kythera of Anevern - [kythera (at) gmail]
"Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing." - R.E. Howard
posted @ Sun, Jun 17, 2007 10:53:46 pm EDT from 76.170.207.129

I like King Arthur in "The Sword in the Stone" and "First Knight". I do not recommend "Kid in King Arthur's Court" and if you feel like being bored out of your mind watch "Merlin".
TiniTinyTony - [tinitinytony at hotmail dot com]
"I wasn't born yesterday, you know - I've seen movies." - Master Shake
posted @ Sun, Jun 17, 2007 9:06:27 pm EDT from 71.181.131.192

Vaevictis: I've got a bunch of suggestions for you.

http://www.lib.rochester.edu/camelot/mainmenu.htm is an excellent rescource for anybody, beginner to Know-it-All. It's got basic background info on most of the big players, magical do-dads, and places, plus links to/info on related medieval/modern texts where they appear.

Marion Zimmer Bradley's Mists of Avalon is a very good, very long, very comprehensive novel adaptation of lots of the elements of the Arthur myth told from the perspective of the women involved (Igraine, Morgan le Fay, Vivian, Gwenevere, etc.). Like most Arthur stuff, prior knowledge isn't a must.

Stephen R. Lawhead also has a pretty good Arthur series out (titles like Merlin, Arthur, etc.).

Unfortunately, the only place to get all the story that's "missing" from Once and Future King is from Malory's Complete Works (Morte d'Arthur). But even that's "just" Malory's version of all of the legends he'd heard/read/found. And it's long. And in Middle English. And boring. (For me, anyway.)

I hope that helps!
Ashana
posted @ Sun, Jun 17, 2007 6:43:20 pm EDT from 72.226.198.188

VAEVICTIS - You might consider Malory himself, though he can be a little difficult if you're not familiar with 15th century prose style.

Geoffrey Ashe has written several good books about King Arthur (and more recently, one on Merlin, which I checked out of the library recently); they focus more on the issue of whether there was a real King Arthur or not than on the familiar medieval legend, but give some good discussion of the legend as well. (He gives a summary of Malory in a book for younger readers, "King Arthur in Fact and Legend".)

There's also a retelling of both Malory and other medieval Arthurian writers for younger readers by Roger Lancelyn Green entitled "King Arthur and His Knights of the Round Table". This one I would particularly recommend for "Gargoyles" fans since it's one of Greg Weisman's favorites, and a couple of his ideas for the Arthurian elements of the Gargoyles Universe (such as Blanchefleur) come from its pages.

Greg didn't mention this at "Ask Greg", but today in the Gargoyles Universe, on June 17, 1239, Edward I of England was born. One of his most important activities would include (during his attempts to conquer Scotland) capturing the Stone of Destiny from the Scots and taking it to Westminster Abbey, where it was kept for the next 700 years, and which was how King Arthur discovered it there during his visit to London.
Todd Jensen
Gargoyles - did for monstrous-looking statues what "Watership Down" did for rabbits!
posted @ Sun, Jun 17, 2007 6:08:35 pm EDT from 4.244.215.206

Patrick: <Why do the big heated discussions always happen on the weekend?>

I'm so tempted to shout "GOD IS DEAD" and see what that unleashes. ( ;

Something I have been wondering, though: has Greg ever talked much on what business Lexington goes into? If I had to guess, I'd say it involves software or robotics.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75 at gmail dot com]
"'Come join with us, please,' Valkyrie maidens cry... above the cold wind to Valhalla..." -Jethro Tull
posted @ Sun, Jun 17, 2007 3:49:35 pm EDT from 71.62.204.109

Arg, I'm officially *annoyed*. I got into reading about King Arthur because of Gargoyles, but the only book about it in our house is Once and Future King, and I'm discovering that this is NOT the book to start with for people unfamiliar with the legend. The author assumes that the reader (me) has already read at least Morte d'Arthur. He seems to omit important details, skip chunks of narrative, and generally assume that I know or understand things that I don't. And at key points of the plot he says things like: "Malory already said what happens next, and I don't want to repeat him, so I'll skip this part." and then skips a piece of the story! :(

I really, really need to go to the library and find a different book. Can anybody recommend something intended for those who aren't already King Arthur experts?
Vaevictis Asmadi
posted @ Sun, Jun 17, 2007 3:19:56 pm EDT from 209.162.56.40

Are the Valkyries in the Gargoyles Universe? *shakes magic 8 ball*

"all things are true"

*chucks magic 8 ball into garbage out of frustration*
Ashana
posted @ Sun, Jun 17, 2007 1:44:49 pm EDT from 72.226.198.188

Asatira-- Given that Odin is reapparing in the world, I strongly suspect that the Valkyries may very well still be around, if not currently active. My knowledge about them is a bit limited, but here's the basics: their task was to gather the warriors who had died valliantly in battle and take them to Valhalla (Odin's longhouse and feasting hall) as Einherjar--in the afterlife they would fight all day, being revived if they were slain, and then drink and feast all night until they were called to fight at Ragnarok. In Valhalla, the Valkyries served double-duty by serving food and drink to the Einherjar. I'll have to look up my sources, but there's popular imagery of the Valkyries riding on winged horses. However, there's some indication that any refferences to the Valkyries riding steeds actually meant they rode on huge wolves. (I really am wondering where I read that, now. Time to go book-diving!) Not sure if Brunhilde is a "real" Valkyrie from the myths and sagas, but I know Hrist is one that's metioned by name (I looked up the names of the Valkyries when I was a QA tester on Valkyrie Profile: Lenneth--Hrist was the only "historical" Valkyrie).
Kythera of Anevern - [kythera (at) gmail]
"Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing." - R.E. Howard
posted @ Sun, Jun 17, 2007 1:21:07 pm EDT from 76.170.207.129

I was neither drunk nor hungover THIS weekend. Next weekend will be a different story since my best friend BJ will be tying the knot. Poor bastard. Not really, Jess is a really great girl and she's real easy to get along with. It's going to be a blast next Saturday.

Sorry, I don't know much about Valkyries except that some are hard to kill in Castlevania games if you're at a low level.
TiniTinyTony - [tinitinytony at hotmail dot com]
"I wasn't born yesterday, you know - I've seen movies." - Master Shake
posted @ Sun, Jun 17, 2007 12:45:04 pm EDT from 71.181.131.192

Because we are all either drunk or with a hangover...like in my last post :P
Valkyres: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valkyrie In the gathering part one wasnt there a valkyre next to the pegasus??
Demon@
posted @ Sun, Jun 17, 2007 12:27:25 pm EDT from 201.235.14.145

:: peeks in from Gathering prep work ::

Why do the big heated discussions always happen on the weekend?

5 days left until The Gathering 2007 in Pigeon Forge, Tennessee!
Patrick - [<-- The Gathering 2007]
"Hey, love got to hide your love away." - The Beatles
posted @ Sun, Jun 17, 2007 11:10:00 am EDT from 65.43.176.234

Looks like things are calming down. I was so tempted to call on the drama llama a few times.

Anywho, for a quick little discussion before the board clears, I was wondering about Valkyries. I was specifically thinking of Wagner's "Ring" saga, but namely of Brunhilda. I'm going to check the archives and do some looking around the net, but I was wondering what others think. They are part of Norse mythology. Do you think they may still be active or exist in the Garg universe? Brunhilda was real?
Asatira
posted @ Sun, Jun 17, 2007 10:43:39 am EDT from 66.168.218.251

*Quietly watches dust settle and waits for the Room to clear*
Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age! Between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!" -Macbeth
posted @ Sun, Jun 17, 2007 9:51:42 am EDT from 24.207.163.239

Brooklyn The Red One> No, it's not someone from an early episode. Or any episode.

Greg W. said it'd be someone we'd never met before.

And now I have no more to say on this.
KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra_582 at hotmail dot com]
"Ignore me!" - Venture Bros.
posted @ Sun, Jun 17, 2007 4:02:50 am EDT from 69.48.22.199

shoot, typing to fast= bad spelling sorry
brooklyn the red one
brooklyn the red one
posted @ Sun, Jun 17, 2007 3:25:36 am EDT from 71.222.197.250

dose anyone have any idea how lex's frend might be?

i have no idea wat so ever ,maybe some one that was in the erlyer eppsoids
brooklyn the red one
brooklyn the red one
posted @ Sun, Jun 17, 2007 3:23:50 am EDT from 71.222.197.250

Tony> "I don't want to see two male gargoyles kissing."

Tony, like I said already, we're NOT GOING TO SEE IT. Lex's relationship is, unfortunately, not AT ALL going to be explicit. Which means there will most likely be NO mate-style kind of affection between Lex and his mate (whoever he is) that we will see. At all. I believe this to be the case b/c Disney would never allow that.

That's all I have to say on this, and it's getting old. Can we please get off the subject?
KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra_582 at hotmail dot com]
"Ignore me!" - Venture Bros.
posted @ Sun, Jun 17, 2007 2:39:37 am EDT from 69.95.30.144

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l74/spawn85027/frontmesh.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l74/spawn85027/meshsmoothback-1.jpg

just an update
david bailey - [snake85027 at yahoo dot com]
3c1a8
posted @ Sun, Jun 17, 2007 2:16:14 am EDT from 72.208.110.73

Ed - Captain Jack Harkness! Captain Jack Harkness! *drools* He's back on Doctor Who for the last three episodes! And don't forget about his executioners. He woke up in bed with both of them, genders/species unknown...and they kept in touch! Do you watch Torchwood?

Er, Gargoyles rocks...
Ashana
Doctor: Stop flirting. Jack: All I did was say 'hello!' Doctor: For you, that's flirting. -Doctor Who
posted @ Sun, Jun 17, 2007 12:02:04 am EDT from 72.226.198.188

(Q1)is that something that you think shouldn't appear in media (on television, in movies, etc), just as much and in the same contexts as heterosexual couples? (Q2)Is there any reason why homosexual displays of affection (kissing, hugging, holding hands, etc) should be purposely hidden from view?

(A1)If I had control of ALL media, I would not show it because I don't like it. I also don't like looking when doctors operate on people and they are all cut open. I know it needs to happen to save people's lives, but it doesn't mean I want to see it. I also don't like watching people die on the beach during D-day so I can watch a documentary or "Saving Private Ryan" while I grimace or my stomach turns, or I can avert my eyes.

Since I do NOT have control as I said in my FIRST post, that we are along for Weisman's ride, then again, I don't want to see two male gargoyles kissing. I don't want to have to avert my eyes when reading a comic about characters I love.

(A2) No. I just don't view that kind of media and I'm not looking forward to homosexual displays of affection in something I love, i.e. Gargoyles media.

Therefore, since I don't agree with Lex's life choice, aka lifestyle choice, aka journey, then I'm not looking forward to homosexual displays of affection in something I want to look at and read - the Gargoyles comics. Like I said in my first post, I'm not getting off the ride that Weisman is taking us on, nor does it mean I will or have to enjoy it.
TiniTinyTony
Certainty? In this world nothing is certain but death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin
posted @ Sat, Jun 16, 2007 11:53:46 pm EDT from 71.173.63.21

Geeez, the Gathering can't come soon enough... seems a lot of us need a break from the Comment Room...
Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age! Between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!" -Macbeth
posted @ Sat, Jun 16, 2007 11:35:57 pm EDT from 24.207.163.239

DAMMIT, I forgot to fix the typo in my handle again. -_- **Mutters**
Kythera of Anevern - [kythera (at) gmail]
"Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing." - R.E. Howard
posted @ Sat, Jun 16, 2007 11:18:12 pm EDT from 76.170.207.129

Okay. So I'm curious as to the reasoning behind this. Just curious, and trying to understand where you're coming from, and possibly the whys.

"(1)Who's to say he won't be the exact same Lex we're already acquainted with, just plus one "friend" we see on-camera now and then? (2)Will it really disturb you that much if you see him holding hands with or hugging his mate? (3)Out of curiosity, did Goliath and Elisa's kiss make you uncomfortable, or seem too intimate for public viewing?

(1)I am saying IF he isn't the same Lex then I don't support it. (2)Disturb me? No. Make me uncomfortable, yes. (3)No, it made me smile. Plus, it was a female and male kissing."

So if it's a heterosexual couple (who may or may not be having sexual relations), that's fine? But if it's a gay or lesbian couple kissing or hugging on the screen... I'm not saying whether or not you should feel uncomfortable or not because I think anyone has the fundamental right to feel uncomfortable about something, but my question now is--regardless of whether or not it makes you, personally, feel uncomfortable--is that something that you think shouldn't appear in media (on television, in movies, etc), just as much and in the same contexts as heterosexual couples? Is there any reason why homosexual displays of affection (kissing, hugging, holding hands, etc) should be purposely hidden from view? Other than the current state of, in my opinion, misguided hostility towards homosexual couples, that is.
Kythera of Anevren - [kythera (at) gmail]
"Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing." - R.E. Howard
posted @ Sat, Jun 16, 2007 11:17:32 pm EDT from 76.170.207.129

<<GET OFF TTT'S BACK. He has his opinion and he's entitled to it. If you don't like it, TOUGH. HE has his views, and he's entitled to them.>>

Not if they're bigot-esque opinions... which it's debatable if they are I guess... I haven't read everything he's said.

Damn, I never really noticed how much easier it is to get a volume of comics than it is to get individual issues... weird.
Aldrius
"This gives me an idea! Propaganda! Used correctly it could be as deadly as any weapon in my arsenal..."
posted @ Sat, Jun 16, 2007 11:06:47 pm EDT from 207.112.124.151

Suddenly, I have no idea what we're talking about anymore. Remember, people: proofreading is your friend. Proofreading will not bite you and throw you in the basement. Proofreading only wants to help. It will not tie you up and rape you with a broomstick (unless you ask it to).
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75 at gmail dot com]
"There is water at the bottom of the ocean." -David Byrne.
posted @ Sat, Jun 16, 2007 10:54:16 pm EDT from 71.62.204.109

wich eppsoid?
brooklyn the red one
brooklyn the red one
posted @ Sat, Jun 16, 2007 10:17:57 pm EDT from 71.222.197.250

He is just expressing his opinion. A lot of people here has been blunt towards him. For example, he said he doesnt like guys been guy, and GW automatically calls him a bigot. THAT is been a bigot too.
We can like or not what other people think, but we cannot judge anyone. You dont like it, fine, keep it to yourself, ignore it, whatever, but attaking others opinions, doesnt matter how wrong or crude them may seemed, its just as bad.
I particulary dont like seeing anyone kissing soundly in the middle of the street. And i dont like fat and furry people showing off on the beach as i dont like womans with huge breasts doing it on TV shows. It may be wrong, it may not, but thay gives anyone the right to been rude with me. For they will put them selfs in the same level as i.
There is a south park episode about these that is very good by the way. You should take a look at it.
Demon@
posted @ Sat, Jun 16, 2007 10:09:29 pm EDT from 201.235.14.145

but,TTT dose not have to express it in such a crud maner
it's like saying a cat can be a cat but not like one
and of corse it not going to be full blown XXX beetween lex and his frend
brooklyn the red one
brooklyn the red one
posted @ Sat, Jun 16, 2007 9:59:01 pm EDT from 71.222.197.250

Ashana: It's an interesting question. I guess it depends what Disney allows, though if it's treated in a similar manner to the Broadway/Angela subplot which seems to have evolved organically in the background without ever being a vast, I can't see anybody could have much of a problem.

Certainly, I think any attempts to reign it back because it's a kids' series (any more than you'd reign back a heterosexual relationship) would be disappointing and retrograde -- and quite unnecessary.

In the UK, 'Doctor Who' has a recurring character who is clearly bisexual. Omnisexual even -- a sort of swashbuckling Don Juan of the 51st century, a time where life is so diverse that "categories" don't carry weight any more. At one point, he kisses both the male and female leads goodbye when it looks like they're going to their deaths -- not in a sexual way, just in an entirely equal way. 'Doctor Who' is the BBC's flagship show, goes out early evening and is huge with even kids as young as 5. It definitely wouldn't be allowed to get away with, for example, some of the explicit violence and blood 'Gargoyles' has glimpsed on occasion. Yet the character, Captain Jack, is vastly popular with kids, as is the actor who plays him. Because the character is so fun and loveable, nobody seems to have batted an eyelid at his sexuality.

I imagine Lex's relationship will probably be for life, in the gargoyle way, but I see no reason why 'Gargoyles' shouldn't pull off the same with a character who's already popular.
Ed Reynolds
posted @ Sat, Jun 16, 2007 9:39:56 pm EDT from 213.187.38.72

And for the record, I am not defending what TTT said; I have my own opinions. But I am defending to the death his right to say them.
Battle Beast
That is all I will say.
posted @ Sat, Jun 16, 2007 9:21:26 pm EDT from 142.59.132.201

EVERYONE> GET OFF TTT'S BACK. He has his opinion and he's entitled to it. If you don't like it, TOUGH. HE has his views, and he's entitled to them.

Greg B., you bashed me for my comment about the Comic Reviewr (Twice!) and now TTT for his opinion. Get off your high horse. If you don't like our opinions, that's just too bad. We have a right to them. You are NOT going to change or minds.
Battle Beast
That is all I will say.
posted @ Sat, Jun 16, 2007 9:17:49 pm EDT from 142.59.132.201

Wow, what the fuck is going on in here? I would blame the moon, but it's new. I also can't really blame the heat, since it hasn't been sweltering the last few days (it's been cool where I am, actually). I guess I'm not spiking the root beer enough. I'd start adding ecstasy, but I'm already putting that in the brownies.

Jonny: This is getting tiresome. Just stop pretending you're a human, okay? Admit to all of us that you're a replicant, because you are. You've already proven that you have the capacity to be more annoying than any mere human (except maybe Demonic Lover, but I'm pretty sure he/she was a mineral).
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75 at gmail dot com]
"I want to find your inner child, and kick its little ass."
posted @ Sat, Jun 16, 2007 8:40:33 pm EDT from 71.62.204.109

LOL how old are you jonny?
Demon@
posted @ Sat, Jun 16, 2007 7:57:19 pm EDT from 201.235.14.145

presinoly i'am glag that the story is getting into lexington's love life becuse it seems that he is the olny one without some type of love life or a relsionship back round.and iam glad that lex is gay it puts more chater to the hole gargoyles saga.
becuse in the world we live in to day everony is affrade to tlack about ,religon,polutiks,homosexulaty
and me and my gril frend feel the same way about lex,so his life style is derffent,so what.
(sorry for my spelling)
brooklyn the red one
brooklyn the red one
posted @ Sat, Jun 16, 2007 7:56:30 pm EDT from 71.222.197.250

Jonny, why do you insist on preaching to the choir? You're very close to becoming a troll as far as this forum is concerned. There isn't anyone here who needs to be told that "Gargoyles" is on DVD and we should buy it. Most of us already own a copy of Season 1 and Season 2, Volume 1. Some of us own multiple copies. So please... just stop already.
Patrick - [<-- The Gathering 2007]
"We have so much time, and so little to do! Strike that, reverse it." - Willy Wonka
posted @ Sat, Jun 16, 2007 7:54:52 pm EDT from 65.43.176.234

Jonny> I have one question for you. Why did you stop taking your pills?
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The 11th Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"Let me tell you something. Nowadays, everybody's got to go to shrinks and counselors and go on Sally Jesse Raphael and talk about their problems. Whatever happened to Gary Cooper, the strong silent type? That was an American. He wasn't in touch with his feelings. He just did what he had to do. See what they didn't know was once they got Gary Cooper in touch with his feelings was that they wouldn't be able to shut him up and then it's dysfunction this and dysfunction that and dysfunction va fa culo!" -Tony Soprano
posted @ Sat, Jun 16, 2007 7:52:05 pm EDT from 67.87.175.245

I would like to see Gargoyles Season 2, Volume 2 released on DVD. I am appealing to those of you who still have not purchased Gargoyles Season 1 and Season 2, Volume 1, please do so now and also tell your friends who like the show about Disney's Gargoyles to do the same to buy Gargoyles Season 1 and Season 2, Volume 1 on DVD at Amazon.com to increase sales to get the rest of Gargoyles Season 2, Volume 2 released on DVD that I will get to complete the entire series of Gargoyles on DVD. They need to be shown the money. Thank you.
Jonny Modlin - [mmodlin at optonline dot net]
Jonny
posted @ Sat, Jun 16, 2007 7:45:13 pm EDT from 24.44.56.31

Why are we discussing these AGAIN??!!
I will say only one thing: Scientifics have a theory that has been proved aready, guys. There are two types of homosexuality.
One of them is a mental sickness caused by a traumatic experience with the oposit sex. There is a lot of cases in wich a person becomes guys after been abused in childhood or womans who becames lesvians after a rape. In these case, it is considered a mental sicknes and can be "cure" with pshychiatrist help.
THEN there is another case, wich is caused by hormones. These case of homosexuality is NOT considere a SICKNESS. Its just the way some people are born.
Sexual atraction is a primal instinct. It cant be choose as a child cannot choose not to fear dark. Its just something we have incorporated withing us.
Some people have different opinions, and they have the right to express them, however, without been attacked. That would made us all bigots.
Im guy myself, i havent choose it, its just the way i am. I dont like man, but i do like woman, as you Tony like woman and not men.
Demon@
posted @ Sat, Jun 16, 2007 6:15:41 pm EDT from 201.235.14.145

Well you ALL misunderstood me, so sue me. I guess I better try harder to be more clear next time. But to assume such an asinine notion of sexual orientation being a choice is just ludicrous to begin with so don't hate me for your false assumptions and misunderstanding before ASKING me to be more clear.

I'm not backpedalling. It may appear so, again, because of the misunderstanding of my first statement in my first post. Before I even could speak you were all the judge and jury and threw the book at me. For shame!

homophobe (noun) - a person who hates or fears homosexual people

I don't hate or fear homosexuals. I have worked and I talk to people who are homosexuals and I do not hate or fear those people.

Anyway, there is no case to help, just voicing my opinion. Obviously voicing an unpopular opinion gets your chastised and cursed at. I wonder how many other Gargoyle fans got scared away from the unwelcome behavior when an unpopular opinion had been voice. For shame again!

(1)Who's to say he won't be the exact same Lex we're already acquainted with, just plus one "friend" we see on-camera now and then? (2)Will it really disturb you that much if you see him holding hands with or hugging his mate? (3)Out of curiosity, did Goliath and Elisa's kiss make you uncomfortable, or seem too intimate for public viewing?

(1)I am saying IF he isn't the same Lex then I don't support it. (2)Disturb me? No. Make me uncomfortable, yes. (3)No, it made me smile. Plus, it was a female and male kissing.

"...who cares whether or not TiniTinyTony "approves?""
Exactly my point, again, made in my first post when I said, "But my opinion doesn't matter..." so nor does my approval.

(a)So you think it's OK to be gay, as long as they promise never to kiss or hug the person they love? (b)It's OK as long as they agree to be lonely, single, and celibate their whole lives? (c)I guess hugging our parents of the same gender is obscene too, right?

(a)No, I just don't want to see it. (b)No. I want gay men to have gay sex I just (i) don't want to hear about, (ii) don't want to see it, (iii) don't want to be a part of it. (c)Totally incorrect. Family members hugging is very beautiful and natural. But you don't have sexual relations with your parents. Gay men have sexual relations.

Thank you for your attention. I'll be here all night.
TiniTinyTony
Certainty? In this world nothing is certain but death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin
posted @ Sat, Jun 16, 2007 5:20:51 pm EDT from 71.181.129.215

So you think it's OK to be gay, as long as they promise never to kiss or hug the person they love? It's OK as long as they agree to be lonely, single, and celibate their whole lives? Wow, that's, like, so amazingly accepting. I'm in awe.
I guess hugging our parents of the same gender is obscene too, right? Well sir, I'll make sure never to hug my mother when you're around.
Vaevictis Asmadi
posted @ Sat, Jun 16, 2007 3:57:43 pm EDT from 209.162.56.40

<<Do what? The batusi?>>

How did Demona get from Scotland to Italy in 1555, to Paris in 1980 (well okay that one's not such a stretch :P), to the United States in 1994 and from Paris back to the United States? And how did Thailog get from New York to Paris, back to New York? I guess it's a pretty silly question, but eh.
Aldrius
"This gives me an idea! Propaganda! Used correctly it could be as deadly as any weapon in my arsenal..."
posted @ Sat, Jun 16, 2007 1:51:13 pm EDT from 207.112.124.151

Tony-- I think what sparked this is that your first post implied that you think Lexington's orientation is a choice--by saying you "don't approve of Lexington's future life choice." Emphasis on "LIFE" not "lifeSTYLE." The first time I read that, I sure as the tides thought you meant that being gay is a choice, and you disapproved of Lex's "choice" to be gay. Now you're saying it's his future "lifetsyle" you disapprove of? You sound like you're backpedaling mighty hard. And worrying over how he'll express himself in the future because it MIGHT offend you? That DOES sound mighty homophobic, sir.

Even if you MEANT "lifeSTYLE," that still doesn't help your case. We don't even KNOW what Lexington will be like when he's older, and yet you're already disapproving of whatever choices he makes? That seems totally assinine, if not homophobic. Who's to say he won't be the exact same Lex we're already aquainted with, just plus one "friend" we see on-camera now and then? Will it really disturb you that much if you see him holding hands with or hugging his mate? Out of curiosity, did Goliath and Elisa's kiss make you uncomfortable, or seem too intimate for public viewing? (Pardon my sarcasm, there.)

Being gay doesn't automatically turn you into a flaming queen. It's not some kind of contractual behavior we have to agree to uphold and maintain when we submit proof of queerness and apply for rainbow bumper stickers. ;P And even people ARE fabulously flaming and express themselves that way (as long as it doesn't get violent or interfere with how they're required to behave and treat customers while on the job), who cares whether or not TiniTinyTony "approves?"
Kythera of Anevren - [kythera (at) gmail]
"Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing." - R.E. Howard
posted @ Sat, Jun 16, 2007 12:59:41 pm EDT from 76.170.207.129

Homosexuals can act however they want to act. I'm not stopping them.

Just as I said in my very FIRST post on the subject, we're along for the ride so how Weisman chooses to make Lex act in the future may be fine with me, but I'm saying that I don't agree with it.
TiniTinyTony
Certainty? In this world nothing is certain but death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin
posted @ Sat, Jun 16, 2007 12:47:39 pm EDT from 72.79.189.197

Gotta love TiniTinyTony's attitude. It's okay to be homosexual, just not act on it. So in other words, be celibate. Niiice. Would love to see any heterosexual person live a life of celibacy that isn't a priest(in fact I know a few priests that couldn't live up to that either). It is NOT a choice or a lifestyle. You are who you are. Pretty sad when people can't live and let live. Even sadder that others have to hide in fear of revealing who they are because of what others might think or how they might react.
Wingless
posted @ Sat, Jun 16, 2007 12:43:04 pm EDT from 74.115.187.62

It's ok, Asatira. You don't have to agree with my opinion or POV. But I guess I'm coming off as a bigot or something which I am not.

My former co-worker Brian that used to work at Target with me is gay. Yet, he behaves like he is straight. He doesn't talk like the guys on "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy". He's a great person and very intelligent. He gets angry very easily, but that's just his personality, not because of his sexual orientation.

So the way Brian chooses to live his life - I approve of and it doesn't bother me.
If he came into work talking about how he made love to his partner last night - that would bother me.

And conversely, he wouldn't want to hear about my sexual relations with a woman, right?

I really don't know how else to explain it.
TiniTinyTony
Certainty? In this world nothing is certain but death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin
posted @ Sat, Jun 16, 2007 12:40:45 pm EDT from 72.79.189.197

TiniTinyTony> So, you're just asking that people born gay not be true to what they are, and live a life of lonely misery. Or, pretend to be straight and live in some sham marriage?

You're messed up.
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The 11th Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"Let me tell you something. Nowadays, everybody's got to go to shrinks and counselors and go on Sally Jesse Raphael and talk about their problems. Whatever happened to Gary Cooper, the strong silent type? That was an American. He wasn't in touch with his feelings. He just did what he had to do. See what they didn't know was once they got Gary Cooper in touch with his feelings was that they wouldn't be able to shut him up and then it's dysfunction this and dysfunction that and dysfunction va fa culo!" -Tony Soprano
posted @ Sat, Jun 16, 2007 12:35:56 pm EDT from 67.87.175.245

TTT> "I can choose to dress up like a fireman, but does that mean I put out fires? No, because I'm not a fireman. But if other people see me dressed up like a fireman, they are going to assume that I'm a fireman. Yeah."

Okay, if I ever see a fireman at the Masquerade, I'll know automatically who it is. :D
KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra_582 at hotmail dot com]
"Ignore me!" - Venture Bros.
posted @ Sat, Jun 16, 2007 12:24:52 pm EDT from 69.95.196.106

I understand that being gay or straight is not a choice, I'm not disagreeing with you.

But what I'm saying is that I can live my life as heterosexual and wear a dress. Am I not making sense?

Never assume.
TiniTinyTony
Certainty? In this world nothing is certain but death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin
posted @ Sat, Jun 16, 2007 12:24:43 pm EDT from 71.181.137.149

TTT> I'm not going to argue with you on POV and opinion (that's been tackled already). What I can say is if you're concerned about how Lex's relationship will be portrayed, don't worry. As has been said earlier, it will be done tactfully and not overt (or exaggerated). The series has shown an ability to handle all sorts of situations, positive and negative, in a very well written and presented way.

that's my say.
Asatira
posted @ Sat, Jun 16, 2007 12:23:56 pm EDT from 66.168.218.251

Being gay is not a "choice". Being what you are is not a "choice".

A choice is putting on a white hood, and burning crosses in people's yards, like I assume you do now.
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The 11th Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"Let me tell you something. Nowadays, everybody's got to go to shrinks and counselors and go on Sally Jesse Raphael and talk about their problems. Whatever happened to Gary Cooper, the strong silent type? That was an American. He wasn't in touch with his feelings. He just did what he had to do. See what they didn't know was once they got Gary Cooper in touch with his feelings was that they wouldn't be able to shut him up and then it's dysfunction this and dysfunction that and dysfunction va fa culo!" -Tony Soprano
posted @ Sat, Jun 16, 2007 12:21:48 pm EDT from 67.87.175.245

I said, "I doubt I'm the first to say it, but I don't approve of Lexington's future life choice."

His life choice - the way he chooses to live his life, sir
TiniTinyTony
Certainty? In this world nothing is certain but death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin
posted @ Sat, Jun 16, 2007 12:19:55 pm EDT from 71.181.137.149

You just said earlier that it's a choice. Stop contradicting yourself, you fucking prick.
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The 11th Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"Let me tell you something. Nowadays, everybody's got to go to shrinks and counselors and go on Sally Jesse Raphael and talk about their problems. Whatever happened to Gary Cooper, the strong silent type? That was an American. He wasn't in touch with his feelings. He just did what he had to do. See what they didn't know was once they got Gary Cooper in touch with his feelings was that they wouldn't be able to shut him up and then it's dysfunction this and dysfunction that and dysfunction va fa culo!" -Tony Soprano
posted @ Sat, Jun 16, 2007 12:16:23 pm EDT from 67.87.175.245

And as you can see below my other post, Greg B. just made my point on how he chose to label me instead of using reasoning and discussing his opinion. Thank you, sir.
TiniTinyTony
Certainty? In this world nothing is certain but death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin
posted @ Sat, Jun 16, 2007 12:15:45 pm EDT from 71.181.137.149

"Nobody chooses to be what they are. It's just part of who they are."

Yes and no. I can choose to dress up like a fireman, but does that mean I put out fires? No, because I'm not a fireman. But if other people see me dressed up like a fireman, they are going to assume that I'm a fireman. Yeah.

It's my choice to live my life the way I am, the way I was born, but ultimately it's society who says, "That guy is straight" or "That guy is gay" or "That guy is a fireman." Do I agree with that? No, but what choice do I have? It's the labels that society puts on us. So Lex can be whatever he wants to be, but he was given or will be given the label "homosexual" later on in life.

So,

1) I would appreciate not being attacked for my opinions. I've very open minded and would like to discuss your opinions as well as my own.
2) I believe that straight or gay is not a choice, but your lifestyle is a choice. If you don't understand that, then we're not on the same page.
TiniTinyTony
Certainty? In this world nothing is certain but death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin
posted @ Sat, Jun 16, 2007 12:13:52 pm EDT from 71.181.137.149

Oh, don't even try. You can't reason with bigots.

Let him hear what ever he wants to hear at his Klonvocation.
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The 11th Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"Let me tell you something. Nowadays, everybody's got to go to shrinks and counselors and go on Sally Jesse Raphael and talk about their problems. Whatever happened to Gary Cooper, the strong silent type? That was an American. He wasn't in touch with his feelings. He just did what he had to do. See what they didn't know was once they got Gary Cooper in touch with his feelings was that they wouldn't be able to shut him up and then it's dysfunction this and dysfunction that and dysfunction va fa culo!" -Tony Soprano
posted @ Sat, Jun 16, 2007 12:11:00 pm EDT from 67.87.175.245

TTT> Nobody chooses to be what they are. It's just part of who they are.

I'm bi. Did I choose to be that? No, it's just part of who I am. It's no different then my height, or my eye color, or stuff like that.
KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra_582 at hotmail dot com]
"Ignore me!" - Venture Bros.
posted @ Sat, Jun 16, 2007 12:01:26 pm EDT from 69.95.196.106

That whole post is so self-contradictory I'm not even sure where to start...
Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age! Between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!" -Macbeth
posted @ Sat, Jun 16, 2007 11:24:52 am EDT from 24.207.163.239

I'm not a scientist either, but I know that when my pituitary gland secretes hormones the end result is that I am attracted to women.

I believe that living a straight or gay LIFESTYLE is a choice. Being a straight man I know that I enjoy the company of women in intimate situations. Also as a straight man I find it disturbing and disgusting seeing two men embrace. So seeing two male gargoyles embrace would probably be quite as disturbing.

I'm not homophobic. I've worked in retail for a few years and I've worked with gay people and they are just normal people and cool to talk to and be friends with. But as long as I don't have to see them being sexual, then that's fine with me. I'm sure they don't want to see me being intimate either. So as long as Lexington's relationship is implicit, then I should be fine with it. Kind of like Batman and Robin, you know something was weird, but you just didn't talk about it.

In other words, it's Lexington's choice to prance around like a ballerina and talk about shoes and clothes, or he can continue being the Lex we know and love, and he just hangs out with Eric, his lover, a lot and that is that.
TiniTinyTony
Certainty? In this world nothing is certain but death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin
posted @ Sat, Jun 16, 2007 11:19:39 am EDT from 71.181.137.149

TTTony> Did you choose to be straight? Just wondering. At once point did you decide to sit down and say, "I guess I'll be straight." It's funny cuz scientists are not entirely clear on what makes a person gay, but at the same time, they havn't figured out what makes a person straight either.
Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age! Between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!" -Macbeth
posted @ Sat, Jun 16, 2007 10:52:22 am EDT from 24.207.163.239

Tony -- And by "choice" you mean, deciding to spend time with somebody he loves? Seriously, you do need to relax.
Vaevictis Asmadi
posted @ Sat, Jun 16, 2007 10:51:09 am EDT from 209.162.56.40

TiniTinyTony> "I doubt I'm the first to say it, but I don't approve of Lexington's future life choice."

Choice? You actually think it's a choice? I know gay people, and they sure as hell did not choose it.
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The 11th Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"Let me tell you something. Nowadays, everybody's got to go to shrinks and counselors and go on Sally Jesse Raphael and talk about their problems. Whatever happened to Gary Cooper, the strong silent type? That was an American. He wasn't in touch with his feelings. He just did what he had to do. See what they didn't know was once they got Gary Cooper in touch with his feelings was that they wouldn't be able to shut him up and then it's dysfunction this and dysfunction that and dysfunction va fa culo!" -Tony Soprano
posted @ Sat, Jun 16, 2007 10:44:02 am EDT from 67.87.175.245

TTT> Actually, Greg has said that it wouldn't get too explicit or implicit at all.

So you won't be seeing anything like that. He'd be introduced as Lex's 'friend' and we'd be in a position to draw our own conclusions.

I'm simply curious who he is, identity-wise.
KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra_582 at hotmail dot com]
"Ignore me!" - Venture Bros.
posted @ Sat, Jun 16, 2007 9:37:13 am EDT from 69.95.196.145

"How did Thailog and Demona do it...?"

That's really more of a question for your parents (unless they're Jesuit).


Hmmm, I didn't realize Lexington goes into business only three years after the clan moves back into the castle. I always thought it was later. And as far as revealing his lifestyle in the comic is concerned, people need to learn to relax and start recognizing the real definition of obscene.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19247451/

Honestly, after reading something like this, two men hugging doesn't bother me all that much.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75 at gmail dot com]
"I want to find your inner child, and kick its little ass."
posted @ Sat, Jun 16, 2007 9:17:43 am EDT from 71.62.204.109

Two male gargoyles embracing... oh noes! :P

6 days left until The Gathering 2007 in Pigeon Forge, Tennessee!
Patrick - [<-- The Gathering 2007]
"We have so much time, and so little to do! Strike that, reverse it." - Willy Wonka
posted @ Sat, Jun 16, 2007 7:59:13 am EDT from 65.43.176.234

so what in going on with and his life choices
under a rock
UAR
posted @ Sat, Jun 16, 2007 6:45:53 am EDT from 71.222.197.250

if they ever do make a gargoyles live action movie what should the story be about?
i myself think it should be that the gargoyles have to save the world from some eviel guy or thing
brooklyn the red one
brooklyn the red one
posted @ Sat, Jun 16, 2007 6:42:23 am EDT from 71.222.197.250

I doubt I'm the first to say it, but I don't approve of Lexington's future life choice. And if the topic gets to the comic books, I don't know how it will be handled, but I really don't want to see two male gargoyles embracing.

But my opinion doesn't matter because as Weisman has said he's doing the comics for him, we're just along for the ride. Well as a passenger, when the homosexual content comes doesn't mean I'll relinquish my seat, nor does it mean I will or have to enjoy it.
TiniTinyTony
posted @ Sat, Jun 16, 2007 12:44:41 am EDT from 67.80.107.105

Ashana> Touche'.
KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra_582 at hotmail dot com]
"Ignore me!" - Venture Bros.
posted @ Fri, Jun 15, 2007 11:56:46 pm EDT from 69.95.91.96

Ok, so the brownies aren't safe. Got that. Kinda like anything starting with "space" in the Netherlands. World's trippiest shakes. Battle Beast offered me cookies. Are those safe? Is this avatar/color scheme safe? They *look* relatively unused, but I don't want to step on any toes. Are toes safe?

Is anything here safe?

Warcrafter - Congrats!

Greg - Wonderful. Priceless. Now I have a picture of Demona and Thailog on their private boat, lounging on deck chairs, and drinking margaritas under the light of the silvery moon. ...and great, now that I've written that, "under the light of the silvery moon" is on the radio in the image.

KingCobra, etc. - Since Lex has plenty of time to learn about his orientation and find his mate, given his young age and Greg Weisman's tendency to draw story arcs out...anyone care to speculate how that particular storyline might get handled in all that time? Since I heard about Lexington's sexuality, I've wondered about how it would get to develop onscreen/page, given the...enforced heterosexual norm of "children"'s media. I'd put the question on Ask Greg, but that would just be silly: "Hi, Mr. Professional Writer, now that you've told us about this unpublished plotline, would you please describe in detail how it will look when it's published? And while you're at it, could you ask JKR if Harry dies in the seventh book?" In any case, I do hope we get to see it eventually. I mean, er, Lexington's love story, not Harry's death.

Ahem. That was much longer than I intended. I shouldn't let me write after 11pm, I get long-winded.
Ashana
posted @ Fri, Jun 15, 2007 11:38:31 pm EDT from 72.226.198.188

Aldrius> Speaking of which. How did Thailog and Demona do it...?

Do what? The batusi?
Antiyonder - [antiyonder at yahoo,com]
posted @ Fri, Jun 15, 2007 10:34:38 pm EDT from 71.120.226.173

Alexis Teune> We don't know the one who created Super Robot Monkey Team Hyper Force Go, but Greg Weisman has written a few episode. And there's no problem with you watching it. I'm a mid-20 year old guy who watches Kim Possible and W.I.T.C.H.
Antiyonder - [antiyonder at yahoo,com]
posted @ Fri, Jun 15, 2007 10:30:06 pm EDT from 71.120.226.173

Well, fare thee well, all! Yami Raven and I are heading off on our road trip today, and we'll be camping across North Carolina, Tennessee, and Kentucky. So we'll be out of touch for a while, but we'll see you all next week in Pigeon Forge! Sleep well...
Jurgan - [jurgan6 at yahoo dot com]
"[George Bush] has created so many disasters, I'm not sure he knows which is which anymore. He walked into Walter Reed and said he wanted to have it ready for next year's Mardi Gras." -Bill Maher
posted @ Fri, Jun 15, 2007 9:53:30 pm EDT from 68.58.232.2

DPH - Greg probably hasn't figured out when the first episode of "The Pack" aired yet. On the other hand, I suspect that he's worked out when the *last* episode aired.
Todd Jensen
Gargoyles - did for monstrous-looking statues what "Watership Down" did for rabbits!
posted @ Fri, Jun 15, 2007 7:37:48 pm EDT from 4.245.20.24

I may be a girl and all, but I really like super robot monkey team hyperforce go! I was just wondering if you new the person who came up with it. Is there any way to talk to him? I also wanted to know if you had any drawing tips.
Well thank you for taking the time to read this, you must be a busy man.
Alexis Teune - [redbandet52 at yahoo dot com]
Alexis Teune
posted @ Fri, Jun 15, 2007 7:16:56 pm EDT from 70.57.30.55

"Speaking of which. How did Thailog and Demona do it...?"

Rent a private boat?
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The 11th Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"Let me tell you something. Nowadays, everybody's got to go to shrinks and counselors and go on Sally Jesse Raphael and talk about their problems. Whatever happened to Gary Cooper, the strong silent type? That was an American. He wasn't in touch with his feelings. He just did what he had to do. See what they didn't know was once they got Gary Cooper in touch with his feelings was that they wouldn't be able to shut him up and then it's dysfunction this and dysfunction that and dysfunction va fa culo!" -Tony Soprano
posted @ Fri, Jun 15, 2007 7:06:40 pm EDT from 67.87.175.245

"I, too, find Obsidiana's visit to the US curious, but for a different reason. What's her mode of travel?"

Speaking of which. How did Thailog and Demona do it...?
Aldrius
"This gives me an idea! Propaganda! Used correctly it could be as deadly as any weapon in my arsenal..."
posted @ Fri, Jun 15, 2007 7:04:54 pm EDT from 207.112.124.151

Matt> So Lex would be around our (assuming that you're also in your mid-20's) age then?

I dunno. Greg believes in drawing things out, (and not to sound impatient, cause I'm not; I'm merely making a point here) but would he take that long to introduce Lex's mate?
KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra_582 at hotmail dot com]
"Ignore me!" - Venture Bros.
posted @ Fri, Jun 15, 2007 6:30:19 pm EDT from 69.95.31.62

Don't worry about Lex. Gargoyles age pretty slowly, he has a long long time to figure himself out and find his mate. In 2007, Lex will only be the equivalent human age of mid 20s.
Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age! Between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!" -Macbeth
posted @ Fri, Jun 15, 2007 6:21:38 pm EDT from 24.207.163.239

Ashama> Welcome. :D

Samuel? If that's true, then it means Lex may not even meet his mate before 2007.
KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra_582 at hotmail dot com]
"Ignore me!" - Venture Bros.
posted @ Fri, Jun 15, 2007 6:01:22 pm EDT from 69.95.31.62

I think all the large World Tour time gaps are due to spending the day on Avalon. Greg's writings about the World Tour dates seem to indicate that they tried as hard as possible to avoid this for obvious reasons.
Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age! Between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!" -Macbeth
posted @ Fri, Jun 15, 2007 5:59:18 pm EDT from 24.207.163.239

Kaylee - Sorry I didn't catch it earlier. Congrats.

Ashana - Welcome

Samuel - <Gargoyles #5: Is there a definite release date yet?> See http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=9560 and note the date of June 13. I take it from that response that, at that point in time, issue #5 hadn't been sent to Disney for approval.

Matt - <As for the beautiful lake World Tour stop, I too think it is Tibet because of the date, but didn't Greg say recently that there was one other stop that we don't know about yet?> Yes, in response to one of my questions. See http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=9571 . Personally, I thought there were at least a few more, considering the huge gap between "The Hound of Ulster" and "Walkabout".

Warcrafter - congrats

I, too, find Obsidiana's visit to the US curious, but for a different reason. What's her mode of travel?

Barring the comic coming out bi-weekly or lots of new tv episodes being produced, I don't think we'll ever catch up to the present.

With Today in Gargoyle History being present, it makes me wonder if I should ask when, within the gargoyles universe, the 1st episode of the pack aired.
dph_of_rules
Whatever happenned to simplicity?
posted @ Fri, Jun 15, 2007 5:45:50 pm EDT from 75.88.21.71

Yay, today was my last day of high school. Just got my graduation ceremony on Monday, then it's time to get ready for college :) Also, I guess I won't be able to attend the gathering this year. oh well, make sure pictures are taken and posted somewhere for me to see :)
Warcrafter - [grafixfangamer1 at sbcglobal dot net]
High school graduation is one week away!!! YAY!!!!!!
posted @ Fri, Jun 15, 2007 5:18:06 pm EDT from 69.231.202.84

As a big fan of the Mayan Clan, I find Obsidiana's journey to the US very interesting... and kinda ironic since of the four Mayan Clan survivors, she is the only one that was never mentioned as possibly come to New York to pick up the Amulet. Whether or not that is why she comes to the US is anyone's guess at this point.

As for the beautiful lake World Tour stop, I too think it is Tibet because of the date, but didn't Greg say recently that there was one other stop that we don't know about yet?
Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age! Between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!" -Macbeth
posted @ Fri, Jun 15, 2007 4:45:54 pm EDT from 24.207.163.239

2198's Nick has an ancestor that's born around early 21st century who is adopted. That's the answer Greg gave me in Montreal. He said it probably didn't mean what I thought it mean. My thinking was, of course, it's Goliath and Elisa's adopted kid. And I'm sure that Greg knew that's what I was thinking.

The 2198 contest (http://s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?rid=149) indicates 2198 Nick is blood related to the Maza family and (I assume) Nick/Natsilane's family from Heritage (although this is not 100% obvious and Greg didn't want to make it obvious (http://s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=8088)). If this is the case, all we know is there's a kid of blood relation to 1996 Nick's family or the Mazas that's going to be adopted. The hows and whys of this are many and speculation is near futile without any further information.

I'm having problems separating the two issues: how does the Maza name and bloodline continue through to 2198 Nick and who is the adopted ancestor. I want to put them together and they are probably two completely separate issues.
Gorebash - [gorebash at s8 dot org]
posted @ Fri, Jun 15, 2007 4:16:26 pm EDT from 207.206.247.251

Welcome, Ashana. It's always great to see new fans. (PS-avoid the brownies, they'll mess you up)

Lexington: Maybe it's Lexington discovering his sexuality.

Gargoyles #5: Is there a definite release date yet?
Samuel - [AnglOfHellO at AOL dot com]
Noodles, anyone?
posted @ Fri, Jun 15, 2007 2:19:59 pm EDT from 24.126.61.128

Ashana> Welcome! Have a cookie! *Hands over a plate of cookies, Many to choose from*

Try to pick a color scheme and avatar not used by someone else, to avoid confusion. Other than that, sometimes discussions get heated. Don't be scared off. And HAVE FUN! :)

Welcome!
Battle Beast - [wlukinuk at telus dot net]
"Help control the Pet Population. Have your pets spayed or neutered."
posted @ Fri, Jun 15, 2007 2:05:07 pm EDT from 142.59.132.201

An era has ended. *Cries* Bob Barker is gone. He's spayed his last contestant. *Chuckles to self*

I am sad. I grew up with Bob. Unlike Johnny Carson, Who I also love to watch, at least I just got to see Bob's last episode. He went out with little fan fair, but his last words were eloquent: "Ladies and Gentlemen, thank you for letting me into your homes for the last fifty years. It's been a real pleasure. Now, remember, help control the Pet Population. Have Your pets spayed or neutered. Good bye everybody."

We'll miss you, Bob.
Battle Beast - [wlukinuk at telus dot net]
"Help control the Pet Population. Have your pets spayed or neutered."
posted @ Fri, Jun 15, 2007 2:02:51 pm EDT from 142.59.132.201

Weird stuff, alright. Lexington starting a business. I agree it is probably online, but maybe not. We know eventually he'll start LXE with Xanatos.
The new World Tour event is probably Tibet, that's what comes next after Arizona.
Does it seem a little cruel to tease us like this? :p

ASHANA - Welcome! The main thing is Be Nice, but also since this is mostly a message board, not a chatroom, that nobody is supposed to post twice in a row.
Vaevictis Asmadi
posted @ Fri, Jun 15, 2007 1:52:27 pm EDT from 209.162.56.40

Hey Ashana! Welcome to the room! :D
I doubt Morgan would hold much of a grudge for Goliath. He only went on one date with her after all.

Oh man, Greg is an evil man--more questions and no answers! Heh
Lex starts a business...hmmm. I wonder if the other gargoyles will take part in it? Maybe the gargs will be able to make their own money.

Gotta be a pretty big crisis for the clans to come together--and right before September 11th...not a a good year.

And what's up with the travellers arriving at a beautiful lake? What would they have to get done there?
Purplegoldfish - [skydragonn at aol dot com]
posted @ Fri, Jun 15, 2007 1:44:53 pm EDT from 70.233.87.249

Newbie checking in to say hi. I'm embracing my inner fangirl these days, moving from casual observer of my fandoms to actually opening my virtual mouth. Any particular netiquette I should be aware of 'round these here parts, or is it run-of-the-mill "play nice and don't shout?"

I hope to see Morgan have a *complex* relationship with the gargoyles, not strictly pro or anti. Sees their protective nature and has a good working relationship with them, but a personal grudge against Goliath over Elisa, maybe, or wants to accpet them, but sees too many "problems" that they cause for law and order, etc. In any case, I'm excited to see the dynamic of the Gargoyles Task Force play out.

Want...issue...4...stupid...local...comic...store...

Congrats, Kaylle!
Ashana
posted @ Fri, Jun 15, 2007 12:52:29 pm EDT from 72.226.198.188

Huh. Interesting. Greg's revelations are always something to ponder, but since he l;eft so many... I am really left scratching my head!
Battle Beast - [wlukinuk at telus dot net]
"Here you leave today and enter the world of Yesterday, Tomorrow, and Fantasy." - Walt Disney, on a plaque out side Disneyland and Disney World
posted @ Fri, Jun 15, 2007 11:59:19 am EDT from 142.59.132.201

KAylee> A belated congrats! UI ment to post this earlier!

Congrats!
Battle Beast - [wlukinuk at telus dot net]
"Here you leave today and enter the world of Yesterday, Tomorrow, and Fantasy." - Walt Disney, on a plaque out side Disneyland and Disney World
posted @ Fri, Jun 15, 2007 11:54:51 am EDT from 142.59.132.201

Pondering clues left by Greg.

Lex's business? Gotta be something related to computers, probably some kind of online business that affords him the opportunity to work without having to meet with people in person.

A crisis that brings 4 clans together? Maybe a regional thing? Map out the locations of the clans we know about and see if maybe 4 (and only 4) share a specific region of the world. Earthquake, volcano, or tsunami maybe? Probably more than likely that the Manhattan clan run into serious trouble and call upon those clans they've already met (Ishimura, London, Guatemala, and themselves). Avalon?

Lex's journey? Interesting that he's _continuing_ the journey. Why'd he stop? When did he first start? My gut says this is more of a personal/spiritual thing than anything else.

Anyone else go and look up Hardicanute? The amount of history and mythology that Gargoyles touches upon is massive. (Glad I'm not responsible for keeping track of it all.)

While searching through AG found this bit (http://s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=482) where Greg mentions if he were writing Gargoyles stories again in '99 they'd probably be different than in 2007. (I'm guessing that entry was written in early 1997). Kind if interesting given where we are now.
Gorebash - [gorebash at s8 dot org]
posted @ Fri, Jun 15, 2007 10:43:59 am EDT from 207.206.247.219

I wonder what Lexington's journey is. :)
Samuel - [AnglOfHellO at AOL dot com]
Noodles, anyone?
posted @ Fri, Jun 15, 2007 10:00:00 am EDT from 24.126.61.128

MATT - Yes, I was surprised that Greg Weisman mentioned all those events in the future of the Gargoyles Universe (future from the perspective of where things presently stand in the comic). Lexington going into business, Obsidiana visiting the U.S., four clans coming together because of a crisis (which takes place in 2001, but since it's dated June rather than September, clearly isn't *that* crisis), etc.
Todd Jensen
Gargoyles - did for monstrous-looking statues what "Watership Down" did for rabbits!
posted @ Fri, Jun 15, 2007 7:16:28 am EDT from 4.244.212.67

Just one more week until the Gathering's 10th anniversary. It's almost hard to believe I've been visiting this comment room for a over a DECADE.

7 days left until The Gathering 2007 in Pigeon Forge, Tennessee!
Patrick - [<-- The Gathering 2007]
"We have so much time, and so little to do! Strike that, reverse it." - Willy Wonka
posted @ Fri, Jun 15, 2007 7:05:42 am EDT from 65.43.176.234

Wow, go read this This Day in Gargoyles Universe History! Neat stuff.
Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age! Between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!" -Macbeth
posted @ Fri, Jun 15, 2007 6:24:32 am EDT from 24.207.163.239

Matt - For the material on Princess Elena, I wouldn't add anything about her mother to the gargwiki yet.

Vaevictis Asmadi - Richard the 1st of Normandy
dph_of_rules
Whatever happenned to simplicity?
posted @ Fri, Jun 15, 2007 5:36:18 am EDT from 75.88.21.71

****Blaise walks into the Room and over to the banquet table, seemingly oblivious to the hissing Alien chestburster sticking out of his torso. He helps himself (and the creature) to some food.**** Hey all.
So I missed Flag day? Wow. I've spent the whole dang day going through the supplemental materials on the "Alien Quadrilogy" box set I got from my brother for my birthday Wednesday (27...three years away from being 30...eep). I still haven't got past the stuff for the first movie! I figured I'd give it a rest for tonight--I think I'm suffering from a bit of overload.
Anyway, I think that's enough tooting my own horn for now....

KAYLLE> Congratulations on your graduation!
It's true, you don't have to worry about homework anymore. But when you've been stressing out about RL for a few years, you will think back fondly on college life, homework and all!

Take care everyone. Until next time, farewell. ****With one final snarl, the chestburster leaps out of Blaise and bolts from the Room. With barely a glance at the gaping hole in his midsection, Blaise follows, shaking his head and grumbling about ungrateful kids.****
Blaise
"Build a man a fire, keep him warm for a day. Set a man on fire, keep him warm for the rest of his life."--Terry Pratchett's "Jingo"
posted @ Fri, Jun 15, 2007 1:37:21 am EDT from 4.232.165.86

Wasn't Richard the Who also the father of little Cindy Lou Who?
Patrick - [<-- The Gathering 2007]
"I want to walk in their footsteps, and their footsteps were like this: Aaaah! Aaaah! I'm covered in bees!" - Eddie Izzard
posted @ Thu, Jun 14, 2007 10:54:12 pm EDT from 65.43.176.234

Emma >> So, she's Elena's sister and ~Katherine's~ aunt, yes? And their father is Richard the who?

FOX - Unfortunately, those are illegal bootlegs. I've seen them too. The second half of Season 2 is still not on DVD yet, let alone Season 3. The legal DVDs are linked on the side-bar here, if you scroll down.
This page would show any updates, if more DVDs were released:
http://gargoyles.dracandros.com/Category:Out-of-universe

MATT - Um, currently I don't have any links that can get you access to a piece of paper. Sorry.
Vaevictis Asmadi
posted @ Thu, Jun 14, 2007 10:24:20 pm EDT from 209.162.56.40

Antiyonder> I don't think it makes much difference at this point. When the DVD first came out, we would suggest Amazon, as sales there would move the DVD immediately up their sales charts and get it more attention. At this point, we're unlikely to get enough of a surge of buyers at one time to make much difference in its current Amazon standing. The one benefit of online retailers is that they're more likely to have the DVD, whereas the brick and mortars are more of a crapshoot.
Demonskrye
posted @ Thu, Jun 14, 2007 9:29:49 pm EDT from 209.6.251.143

*enters with a paper plate and a mug of beer. Finishes the last bite of flag on the plate, and then starts picking up the remaining sauce with his finger*

That was a good Flag Day. I'm stuffed. If anyone is hungry and lives in Northern Virginia, feel free to stop by my place. We have plenty of leftover flag to go around (my family always makes too much).

Battle Beast: The brownies are to help people lighten up. It's a recipe I got from my uncle (which I made a few special alterations to).

As far as Judge Roebling is concerned, it's easy to miss his name being used, since it's only said once, and Xanatos uses it pretty casually (I've seen "Vows" too goddamn many times).

Antiyonder: Just as long as you don't direct them to Wal-Mart. They're the Evil Empire.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75 at gmail dot com]
"Colors I've none, dark or light, red, white or blue. Cold is my touch, freezing. Summoned by name, I am the overseer over you." -Ian Anderson
posted @ Thu, Jun 14, 2007 9:15:06 pm EDT from 71.62.204.109

For future reference, when I'm recommending Gargoyles DVDs to anyone, should I refer them to the online stores of Best Buy, Walmart, Hastings, Target or Amazon. Does it help the sales either way.
Antiyonder - [antiyonder at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Thu, Jun 14, 2007 8:15:34 pm EDT from 71.115.205.136

DPH - No, I didn't have any plans to ask that particular question. Currently, I'm more likely to ask Greg questions about the creative process (such as the one that I asked not long ago about the fact that #3 and 4 included far more of the supporting cast characters than we usually saw in television episodes of "Gargoyles") than about the Gargoyles Universe.
Todd Jensen
Gargoyles - did for monstrous-looking statues what "Watership Down" did for rabbits!
posted @ Thu, Jun 14, 2007 7:00:39 pm EDT from 4.245.21.248

The only thing I would put about Princess Elena is that we're 99% certain that she shares a common father with Emma of Normandy. Sadly, I couldn't find anything out about Emma of Paris.

Todd - being the resident Medieval expert, do you plan on asking about Princess Elena's parentage when the submit button gets reopened since Greg Weisman revealed Princess Katharine's aunt was Emma of Normandy? If you wanted that question, I will leave it to you out of respect.

TGUH - Goliath visited Japan. One thing always puzzled me about Bushido. After Elisa and Hiroshi discover where Taro has taken the gargoyles, why does it seemingly take them so long to get there?
dph_of_rules
Whatever happenned to simplicity?
posted @ Thu, Jun 14, 2007 5:07:29 pm EDT from 75.88.21.71

Vaevictis> Do you have a link?


This is the last place one should try to sell Gargoyles bootlegs...
Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age! Between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!" -Macbeth
posted @ Thu, Jun 14, 2007 4:28:33 pm EDT from 24.207.163.239

Fox> Those are bootlegs. Buy the DVDs from Amazon.
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The 11th Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"Let me tell you something. Nowadays, everybody's got to go to shrinks and counselors and go on Sally Jesse Raphael and talk about their problems. Whatever happened to Gary Cooper, the strong silent type? That was an American. He wasn't in touch with his feelings. He just did what he had to do. See what they didn't know was once they got Gary Cooper in touch with his feelings was that they wouldn't be able to shut him up and then it's dysfunction this and dysfunction that and dysfunction va fa culo!" -Tony Soprano
posted @ Thu, Jun 14, 2007 3:28:58 pm EDT from 67.87.175.245

Hey everyone. I have been seeing websites online that are offering Gargoyles seasons 1-3 in boxed sets on DVD. I hesitate to but them due to fear of authenticity. Anyone know anything about these? one site is TVDiscs.com and the other is AllMyFavoriteShows.com so yea, just curious. Thanks guys!
Fox - [FoxSCruz at Gmail dot com]
- Fox
posted @ Thu, Jun 14, 2007 3:19:26 pm EDT from 70.132.7.31

Gee. No i can't even raise my eyebrows. Huh. Anything else I can't do???

Harvester of Eyes> What's the Brownie for?

I forgot who Judge Roebling was. I don't even recall him being named in the Episode "Vows." But then again I haven't watched it in a while.
Battle Beast - [wlukinuk at telus dot net]
"Here you leave today and enter the world of Yesterday, Tomorrow, and Fantasy." - Walt Disney, on a plaque out side Disneyland and Disney World
posted @ Thu, Jun 14, 2007 12:44:08 pm EDT from 142.59.132.201

MATT - I do, though I haven't added Richard and Emma yet.
Vaevictis Asmadi
posted @ Thu, Jun 14, 2007 12:13:06 pm EDT from 209.162.56.40

@david bailey- That looks amazing, actually. A very good likeness. The only part I had second thoughts about was the size of his neck, but it probably makes sense in proportion to the rest of the body.
Spoonvonstup - [howbedobe at hotmail dot com]
posted @ Thu, Jun 14, 2007 11:18:18 am EDT from 72.177.145.143

PHIL - Yes, I think that dph is right on this one.
Todd Jensen
Gargoyles - did for monstrous-looking statues what "Watership Down" did for rabbits!
posted @ Thu, Jun 14, 2007 7:00:42 am EDT from 4.244.212.167

You're taking your "buniness" elsewhere? Silly rabbit, Trix are for kids!

8 days left until The Gathering 2007 in Pigeon Forge, Tennessee!
Patrick - [<-- The Gathering 2007]
"I want to walk in their footsteps, and their footsteps were like this: Aaaah! Aaaah! I'm covered in bees!" - Eddie Izzard
posted @ Thu, Jun 14, 2007 6:51:10 am EDT from 65.43.176.234

GargWiki is locked to administrators?! Fuck that shit. I am taking my buniness to http://gargoyles.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page
Anonymous
posted @ Thu, Jun 14, 2007 6:44:08 am EDT from 72.232.50.146

Does anyone have a Gargoyles medieval family tree set up? Come to think of it, most the humans we saw can be put on the tree if you include marriages (Gilcomgain and Gruoch, Katharine and Tom, etc.)
Matt - [St dot Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age! Between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!" -Macbeth
posted @ Thu, Jun 14, 2007 6:38:31 am EDT from 24.207.163.239

Battle Beast: Here, have an extra "brownie."
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75 at gmail dot com]
"I've never won an Oscar." -George Lucas.
posted @ Thu, Jun 14, 2007 6:35:43 am EDT from 71.62.204.109

Phil - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emma_of_Normandy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_I_of_Normandy

I'm going to go with a conjecture and say Emma of Normany and Princess Elena are at least half-sisters, both sharing a common father.

According to http://www.robertsewell.ca/normandy.html , Richard married second to Gunnor of Crêpon. It is quite probable that Richard and Gunnor had some of their children prior to Richard's marriage to Emma of Paris (960 - 962). Richard and Gunnor married after Emma's death, thereby legitimizing all the children.

There's the theory. Therefore, Princess Elena's age at the time of Vows is a potential indicator of who her mother is, specifically is she's older than 15.
dph_of_rules
Whatever happenned to simplicity?
posted @ Thu, Jun 14, 2007 5:15:05 am EDT from 75.88.21.71

UPDATE
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l74/spawn85027/UPDATE.jpg
david bailey - [snake85027 at yahoo dot com]
3c1a8
posted @ Thu, Jun 14, 2007 3:41:10 am EDT from 72.208.110.73

Todd, please help!>> I'm catching up on Ask Greg. (I glance at it at work, but can only really get in depth periodically at home.) Anyway, in Greg's brief history lesson on Hardicanute and Edward the Confessor, he mentions that Emma of Normandy is Princess Katharine's aunt. Knowing very little about any of these people, I did some research on wikipedia. I think I understand the real history now, but were does Katharine best fit in? Is there an obvious answer I'm not seeing, or are we limited to conjecture?

(Although I address this to Todd, our resident expert on Medieval British Royalty, any other suggestions or clarification would be appreciated.)
Phil - [p1anderson at go dot com]
posted @ Thu, Jun 14, 2007 12:29:45 am EDT from 69.214.7.143

Ugh, pardon my stupidity. In my happiness, I forgot to point out the link:

freewebs.com/gargoylesmusicvideos
Spoonvonstup - [<--- Gargoyles Music Video Database]
posted @ Wed, Jun 13, 2007 11:38:08 pm EDT from 72.177.145.143

Running in with a random side note- For anyone who's interested, the Gargoyles Music Video Database has been updated. New director, new videos, a comment and rating system that allows you to give feedback on your favorite Garg MV's without becoming a member of anything. We've also just set up a subscription list for those who like to keep updated.

I am SOoooo excited for the Gathering. I would love to get to go to one of them one of these days, even if just for the opening ceremonies and the MV contest entries; with the coming years, they're just going to get better and better. Plus! I've finally got my comics ordered and on their way to my door.

*dances away with excitement*
Spoonvonstup - [howbedobe at hotmail dot com]
posted @ Wed, Jun 13, 2007 11:36:27 pm EDT from 72.177.145.143

There was nothing meant by it Greg B. Was just giving Garg Video Guy a hard time. *poke*
Wingless
posted @ Wed, Jun 13, 2007 11:23:31 pm EDT from 74.115.187.62

Wingless> There were several other Gargoyles fans who didn't remember who Judge Roebling was. Let's face it, he wasn't a memorable character before this.
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The 11th Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"Let me tell you something. Nowadays, everybody's got to go to shrinks and counselors and go on Sally Jesse Raphael and talk about their problems. Whatever happened to Gary Cooper, the strong silent type? That was an American. He wasn't in touch with his feelings. He just did what he had to do. See what they didn't know was once they got Gary Cooper in touch with his feelings was that they wouldn't be able to shut him up and then it's dysfunction this and dysfunction that and dysfunction va fa culo!" -Tony Soprano
posted @ Wed, Jun 13, 2007 11:10:38 pm EDT from 67.87.175.245

What amazed me about Garg Video guy this time is that he didn't know who Judge Roebling was. Geez..Like he's supposed to be a Garg fan right? He didn't know Roebling performed Xanatos and Fox's wedding?! That's why he knew Goliath. Then again, we covered that point in here recently. Personally, I do like the guy for doing this-despite my previous grumblings about his negative comments about past issues of the comic. Let's face it, ya gotta have guts to do that and put it on the internet for all the world to see. ^_~
Wingless
posted @ Wed, Jun 13, 2007 11:00:52 pm EDT from 74.115.187.62

yes, I requested the video as well.
Warcrafter - [grafixfangamer1 at sbcglobal dot net]
High school graduation is one week away!!! YAY!!!!!!
posted @ Wed, Jun 13, 2007 10:23:08 pm EDT from 69.231.202.84

HoE: well i came back from work after a terrible day, and got in ask greg to see if there was any new respoces and i found Polgara`s question and it surpised me that greg actually answer the "Has Demona ever got drunk?" part with a yes. Silly i know, but it made me laugh :P
Demon@
posted @ Wed, Jun 13, 2007 10:22:07 pm EDT from 201.235.14.145

Battle Beast> A bunch of Gargoyles fans, like CrzyDemona and myself requested he review #4.

So, don't raise your eyebrows.
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The 11th Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"Let me tell you something. Nowadays, everybody's got to go to shrinks and counselors and go on Sally Jesse Raphael and talk about their problems. Whatever happened to Gary Cooper, the strong silent type? That was an American. He wasn't in touch with his feelings. He just did what he had to do. See what they didn't know was once they got Gary Cooper in touch with his feelings was that they wouldn't be able to shut him up and then it's dysfunction this and dysfunction that and dysfunction va fa culo!" -Tony Soprano
posted @ Wed, Jun 13, 2007 10:16:46 pm EDT from 67.87.175.245

That guy is at it again! I found the video silly... but If I say any more... Yes, I still remember what happened THE LAST TIME I ranted about him. SO I reserve my judgement. But when he said "the fans asked where his video was" and that "he's flesh for 20 minutes a day" I raised my eye brows.
Battle Beast - [wlukinuk at telus dot net]
"Here you leave today and enter the world of Yesterday, Tomorrow, and Fantasy." - Walt Disney, on a plaque out side Disneyland and Disney World
posted @ Wed, Jun 13, 2007 10:09:02 pm EDT from 142.59.132.201

TTTony - Sadly, it has been established that they really don't care that much about the website. I think with a little bit more automation, it could be done better with less work, specifically on the release schedule page.

Vaevictis Asmadi - I checked earlier today and it was done to 9 questions. Well, we can mark this down as the year the queue being emptied repeatedly, which is a very good thing, considering that the gathering is approaching. Of course, there is a question of how long between when the gathering ends and issue #4 comes out.
dph_of_rules
Whatever happenned to simplicity?
posted @ Wed, Jun 13, 2007 9:25:54 pm EDT from 75.88.21.71

Is the queue supposed to be empty already? I didn't think there were that few questions left.
Vaevictis Asmadi
posted @ Wed, Jun 13, 2007 8:39:23 pm EDT from 209.162.56.40

David Bailey => Very nice so far, pretty close, but I don't think I remember that expression on his face EVER.

Abby => E-mail me.

Youtube Gar #4 review => Good stuff. I would choose Pikachu over Goliath and Thailog any day of the week.
TiniTinyTony - [tinitinytony at hotmail dot com]
"I wasn't born yesterday, you know - I've seen movies." - Master Shake
posted @ Wed, Jun 13, 2007 8:23:20 pm EDT from 71.173.60.240

Congrats, Kaylle!

WarCrafter, thanks for posting the link to the YouTube review of #4. I rather hoped he might show an interior page or two, since I haven't yet managed to get my hands on a copy...
Abby
posted @ Wed, Jun 13, 2007 8:08:11 pm EDT from 75.73.113.53

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l74/spawn85027/picone.jpg

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l74/spawn85027/pictwo.jpg

figured this would be the best place to get a response, im trying to get the likeness as close as i can.
david bailey - [snake85027 at yahoo dot com]
3c1a8
posted @ Wed, Jun 13, 2007 8:05:24 pm EDT from 72.208.110.73

You can thank CryzDemona for encouraging Cardboard Gargoyle Guy to review Issue 4. ;)

9 days left until The Gathering 2007 in Pigeon Forge, Tennessee!
Patrick - [<-- The Gathering 2007]
"We have so much time, and so little to do! Strike that, reverse it." - Willy Wonka
posted @ Wed, Jun 13, 2007 8:03:20 pm EDT from 65.43.176.234

SLG probably has no money to pay someone to update their site.
TiniTinyTony - [tinitinytony at hotmail dot com]
"I wasn't born yesterday, you know - I've seen movies." - Master Shake
posted @ Wed, Jun 13, 2007 7:50:17 pm EDT from 71.173.60.240

From Greg Weisman, posted today:
I spent a good chunk of my day today reviewing the final coloring and lettering for issue #5.

That's good news for us.

I noticed slg still hasn't updated their website for showing specific release dates for stuff in June. Funny, they have Haunted Mansion comic #6 available for sale on http://www.slgcomic.com/category-exec/category_id/19/nm/Disney_Comics and http://www.slgbiz.com/SLG_NEW_RELEASES.xml , but this page ( http://www.slgcomic.com/info-exec/display/shipping ) does not show it.
dph_of_rules
Whatever happenned to simplicity?
posted @ Wed, Jun 13, 2007 5:08:43 pm EDT from 75.88.21.71

Congratulations, Kaylle!
Vaevictis Asmadi
posted @ Wed, Jun 13, 2007 12:36:18 pm EDT from 209.162.56.40

Congratulations, Kaylle.

Gargoyles #4 review on YouTube: That was really funny. Thanks for posting it, WarCrafter.
Samuel - [AnglOfHellO at AOL dot com]
Noodles, anyone?
posted @ Wed, Jun 13, 2007 11:04:12 am EDT from 24.126.61.128

Demon@: Um... what are you talking about?
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75 at gmail dot com]
"I've never won an Oscar." -George Lucas.
posted @ Wed, Jun 13, 2007 7:11:34 am EDT from 71.62.204.109

B&CF> Yeah, that't it.
Matt - [St dot Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age! Between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!" -Macbeth
posted @ Wed, Jun 13, 2007 6:41:33 am EDT from 24.207.163.239

Adam/Matt> Are you referring to this (at the beginning of Act II)?
Fleance: "We found one. Probably just another statue."
John Castaway: "Take no chances. Destroy it. I'm coming with backup."

With all these "this day in history" and "SW's 30th anniv", I came across this: Yesterday was the 20th anniversary of Pres. Reagan's speach at the Brandenburg Gate--"General Secretary Gorbachev, if you seek peace, if you seek prosperity for the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe, if you seek liberalization, come here to this gate. Mr. Gorbachev, open this gate. Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!"
Blaqthourne & Crimson Fury
Music Selection: Titanic OST
posted @ Wed, Jun 13, 2007 2:37:19 am EDT from 63.20.8.36

he's baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGFZIOPa1es
Warcrafter - [grafixfangamer1 at sbcglobal dot net]
High school graduation is one week away!!! YAY!!!!!!
posted @ Wed, Jun 13, 2007 12:41:11 am EDT from 69.231.202.84

This is completely off-topic, but I figure you guys will indulge me this once. I graduated from college (MIT) on Friday. It's been a really long and painful road, but now it's over! It's weird not having homework and stress hanging over my head anymore. Now I can just be stressed about real life ;). But hopefully real life will allow for more free time to spend on my hobbies, including Gargoyles, and maybe I can make it to another Gathering.

If Terry Chung was 12 in 1996, that'd make him class of 2006? So I'm only a year behind ;)
Kaylle
posted @ Tue, Jun 12, 2007 10:40:32 pm EDT from 66.31.44.143

Lol, Demona got drunk.
Demon@
posted @ Tue, Jun 12, 2007 10:14:07 pm EDT from 201.235.14.145

Patrick: We sure it wasn't "The Phantom Menace" that proved that?
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75 at gmail dot com]
"There's a lock on the window, there's a chain on the door, and a big dog in the hall. But there's dragons, and beasties out there in the night to snatch you if you fall." -Ian Anderson
posted @ Tue, Jun 12, 2007 9:40:06 pm EDT from 71.62.204.109

Sorry, was just catching up on the "AskGreg" stuff, and noticed he said something to the effect of:

"When a comic store owner says "I doubt I'll have any by the end of the day," I can't help but wonder, "Then why didn't you order more?"

At my local shop, which isn't a chain or franchise store, my man tends to get stone-walled by some distributors because he under-orders on "the big titles" they're pimping in favor of what people actually buy. For example, when the world went crazy for Civil War and 52, he was ordering back-issues of "Invincible" and trying to keep "Runaways" stocked because that's what we were buying.

For some reason whoever he's dealing with won't let him order larger quantities of the Garg issues on their first printing, or what have you.

Just as a sort of side-note, since the AskGreg stuff is closed for the moment: I totally dig the almost "Grotesque" look for Goliath, but some of the perspective needs a bit of work and the colors still get muddy. I've decided because of issue #4 that an official dream of mine (because I'm a Comics nerd) would be to get Joe Madureira to do a Goliath pin-up. I'm not that big of a Joe Mad fan, but the exaggeration he hit the Turtles with would look absolutely amazing on the Gargs, in my opinion.

Alas, it's only a pipe-dream.
SrBoyce - [srboyce at gmail dot com]
posted @ Tue, Jun 12, 2007 8:42:16 pm EDT from 76.26.182.172

Sorry to bother, but I was hoping someone (Greg B, most likely, as he's been the one to do it in the past few days) could put my username on the list so I can make edits to the GargWiki. I'm SamuelB, creative, I know. :)
Samuel - [AnglOfHellO at AOL dot com]
Noodles, anyone?
posted @ Tue, Jun 12, 2007 7:56:31 pm EDT from 24.126.61.128

"Anaconda" was proof that CGI alone does not a movie make.

10 days left until The Gathering 2007 in Pigeon Forge, Tennessee!
Patrick - [<-- The Gathering 2007]
"We have so much time, and so little to do! Strike that, reverse it." - Willy Wonka
posted @ Tue, Jun 12, 2007 7:40:44 pm EDT from 65.43.176.234

Aww... I'm sad. Greg refused to answer all but one of my questions. :(
Vaevictis Asmadi
posted @ Tue, Jun 12, 2007 7:38:27 pm EDT from 209.162.56.40

Actually,I think it was Fleance who said that actual line.
Matt - [St dot Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age! Between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!" -Macbeth
posted @ Tue, Jun 12, 2007 5:09:51 pm EDT from 24.207.163.239

Bruno is the head of Xanatos' security force. Banquo is who you're talking about.
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The 11th Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"Let me tell you something. Nowadays, everybody's got to go to shrinks and counselors and go on Sally Jesse Raphael and talk about their problems. Whatever happened to Gary Cooper, the strong silent type? That was an American. He wasn't in touch with his feelings. He just did what he had to do. See what they didn't know was once they got Gary Cooper in touch with his feelings was that they wouldn't be able to shut him up and then it's dysfunction this and dysfunction that and dysfunction va fa culo!" -Tony Soprano
posted @ Tue, Jun 12, 2007 4:06:45 pm EDT from 67.87.175.245

Lol, Greg's response to my #4 review...Funny
Purplegoldfish - [skydragonn at aol dot com]
"Whoa, Tiny, you mean there's more than one of you?" "My name is not Tiny! I am Goliath!" - Elisa and Tiny
posted @ Tue, Jun 12, 2007 3:53:24 pm EDT from 70.233.87.249

Morgan: I don't believe he would be join the quarrymen-he seems to much of a nice guy for that. Though now he could cause problems (if he finds out about the gargs) since he works closely with Elisa and he knows far more than she probably wants him to. I tend to think he would come to accept them and maybe E/G. Anyway, I can't see how it could be that big a surprise that Elisa is friendly with the gargoyles. I mean, how many times has he seen her at the site of a crime where crooks were tied with steel poles? He has to realize they're on their side at least.

Adam: That's a good point, I had thought about that once after first seeing the episode a long time ago. When you think about it, Goliath sticks out from any normal statuary that day. He's alone just standing on an apartment balcony, and facing inwards-not a normal pose for a garoyle statue. I wonder if Castaway gave the order to search out and destroy not every gargoyle statue, but ones that kind of stick out or seem out of place.
Purplegoldfish - [skydragonn at aol dot com]
"Whoa, Tiny, you mean there's more than one of you?" "My name is not Tiny! I am Goliath!" - Elisa and Tiny
posted @ Tue, Jun 12, 2007 3:48:49 pm EDT from 70.233.87.249

Adam> I may be wrong, but I'm 99.99% sure that it wasn't Bruno. It was the other one, what's-her-name.
KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra_582 at hotmail dot com]
"Ignore me!" - Venture Bros.
posted @ Tue, Jun 12, 2007 3:46:06 pm EDT from 69.95.31.159

Actually, in the Journey, I don't remember if it Bruno or the other one that says Goliath is probably just another statue, but they had better be safe and smash it anyway.
Adam - [carl006_1999 at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Tue, Jun 12, 2007 3:09:56 pm EDT from 170.112.1.251

Or maybe they just got bored We have seen how they are.
Demon@
posted @ Tue, Jun 12, 2007 2:55:21 pm EDT from 201.235.14.145

Third race ruling> hmmm. I'm sort of siding with VA in that our mythologies give a certain amount of credence to the third race, if not out right ruling, then at least being very influential in the early lives of human civilization. I think a number of societies probably reached a point where the Third race eventually decided or were forced to take a more discrete role, but I don't think they completely lost power. From what I recall of the members we've seen, only a few seem all that intent on ruling or dominating, and even those tend to be regional goals. So while they could, they probably wouldn't. Especially if you consider the current level of iron in use amongst humans.
Asatira
posted @ Tue, Jun 12, 2007 10:57:02 am EDT from 66.168.218.251

Arguably, back when the gods ruled over humanity openly and were worshiped, they were dominant. After all, they got to play with human lives like toys (if you believe the stories in Greek Mythology, anyway). It seems that only in the historical times (maybe starting 1000 BC or something) have humans had the world to themselves, with the non-intervention law and the discovery of iron.
Vaevictis Asmadi
posted @ Tue, Jun 12, 2007 10:02:05 am EDT from 209.162.56.40

Third race dominating the planet? Maybe after 2198 after the aftermath of the Space Spawn. Other than that, I just hope Weisman gets to Pendragon before SLG calls it quits.
Tony
posted @ Tue, Jun 12, 2007 9:22:13 am EDT from 159.240.11.254

So, I was thinking about the sentient races of Earth. First we had the so-called Lost Race who lived and seem to have dominated the Earth for a time. Next to evolve were the Gargoyles, which for a time could be found throughout the world. Now we are in a time when the next oldest race, Humans, rule the Earth.

I wonder if Greg plans for a time in the future when the Third Race will dominate the planet...

Just a thought.
Matt - [St dot Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age! Between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!" -Macbeth
posted @ Tue, Jun 12, 2007 6:50:03 am EDT from 24.207.163.239

:| I liked that Anaconda movie... But not the first one.

Anyhow. Yeah. I see neither Ms. Yale nor officer Morgan joining the Quarrymen. But I think it would be an interesting twist for a friend of Elisa's to have a grufge against the gargoyles. And of course, Margot provides us with a nice legal enemy for the Gargoyles, not a street gang member. I don't know. We'll just have to see where the series goes. :)
Samuel - [AnglOfHellO at AOL dot com]
"You and what Star Fleet?" - Brooklyn
posted @ Tue, Jun 12, 2007 5:15:58 am EDT from 152.163.100.197

I thought the interesting thing in TDGUH revealed was that we now know how the travellor's left Easter Island when the gargoyles were asleep and Elisa had amnesia (and thus no one was able to cast the Avalon spell).

Maybe Greg should call the daily segment "Previously, On Gargoyles..."
Matt - [St dot Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age! Between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!" -Macbeth
posted @ Mon, Jun 11, 2007 10:28:40 pm EDT from 24.207.163.239

I don't know if this has been mentioned, but while out to see 'Ocean's 13' with the family this weekend, I saw a trailer for 'I am Legend', starring Will Smith. After doing a little more research on the film, I discovered that Salli Richardson is playing Smith's wife in the film. Let's hope this gets her out from under that awful Anaconda movie.
Gantros
"As with all things, darkness falls for thee"
posted @ Mon, Jun 11, 2007 10:18:46 pm EDT from 71.237.202.75

Sorry for to posts so close, but I'm a bit surprised no one looked up some of the other odd events on the TDiGUH timeline.

"As every mysterious place, there is some legends.
The most famous is this story of the key keeper of the val de grace, Philibert Aspairt, who wanted to discover the treasure of Chartreux's monks. He decided to enter the former quarries on day of 1793. Nobody heard of him before 11 years. In 1804 the quarries general inspection found a dead man in it. The keys he was wearing identified him... Philibert Aspairt was burried in the same place he was found, and its grave is in the picture."

Click my name for the picture. There seems to be a lot of legend surrounding what Aspairt was actually doing in the catacombs, some of it involving political intrigue. Supposedly, no one with the surname "Aspairt" is around anymore to shed light on the story, so it remains a mystery. At least as much of a mystery is how it rleateg to the Gargiverse.
Demonskrye - [<---Philibert Aspairt's grave]
posted @ Mon, Jun 11, 2007 9:45:08 pm EDT from 209.6.251.143

I thought there was a specific mention somewhere to the Quarrymen destroying statues all over town. Or maybe it was just a mention of vandalized statues, but not who destroyed them.
Vaevictis Asmadi
posted @ Mon, Jun 11, 2007 9:31:27 pm EDT from 209.162.56.40

DEMONSKRYE - Greg probably mentioned St. Columba because of the Loch Ness Monster element. His dates for Arthur's reign in the Gargoyles Universe are 500 to 542, a little too early for St. Columba, so I doubt that the Arthur whom Columba knew could be anything other than a namesake.
Todd Jensen
Gargoyles - did for monstrous-looking statues what "Watership Down" did for rabbits!
posted @ Mon, Jun 11, 2007 9:29:04 pm EDT from 4.244.209.58

I have to go with Vaevictus on this one, even though I'm sure Todd probably didn't mean for that to sound the way it did. I also think that Morgan seems too much of a straight cop to wind up with the Quarrymen.

For that matter, I can't imagine Margot being a big fan of the Quarrymen either. Despite her dislike of gargoyles, she still works for the DA. So I don't think she's all that crazy about a group of people in masks taking the law into their own hands.


On a different note, I had some friends over for dinner last night, and afterwards we wound up taking my Gargoyles DVD off the rack. Turns out one friend hasn't seen it in about ten years, and the other actually hasn't seen it, period. As we hang out over the summer, we're probably gonna be watching the whole series. Should be interesting.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75 at gmail dot com]
"There's a lock on the window, there's a chain on the door, and a big dog in the hall. But there's dragons, and beasties out there in the night to snatch you if you fall." -Ian Anderson
posted @ Mon, Jun 11, 2007 9:26:49 pm EDT from 71.62.204.109

Sorry if someone already mentioned this, but I was just getting caught up on Ask Greg and noticed that the "This Day in Gargoyles' Universe History" (which should really have an acronym like "TDGUH" for comment room use) and noticed that two days ago was the anniversary of St. Columba's death. Todd probably knew this already, but I had to check Wikipedia to learn that the "Vitae Clomuba" contains the earliest recording of the name "Arthur" in a British document (though the reference is apparently to a Socttish prince, not King Arthur as we know him). Columba is also credited with taking on the Loch Ness monster. Isn't ealy Christianity fun?

Which, if either, of these events he is important for in the gargiverse remains to be seen.
Demonskrye
posted @ Mon, Jun 11, 2007 9:19:04 pm EDT from 209.6.251.143

VAEVICTIS - Yes, you're right. Though, at least in the comic, Castaway's wary enough to make certain that they don't go armed when they're out on Halloween. (He probably also takes suitable precautions to make certain that they don't go about mistaking architectural gargoyles for gargoyles in stone sleep and smashing them - the Quarrymen obviously don't need getting hit with lawsuits over property damage.)
Todd Jensen
Gargoyles - did for monstrous-looking statues what "Watership Down" did for rabbits!
posted @ Mon, Jun 11, 2007 9:15:10 pm EDT from 4.244.209.58

What do you mean, they *are* a vigilante movement.
Vaevictis Asmadi
posted @ Mon, Jun 11, 2007 8:41:50 pm EDT from 209.162.56.40

I doubt that Morgan would join the Quarrymen, either. They're a little too close to a vigilante movement for an honest policeman's taste.
Todd Jensen
Gargoyles - did for monstrous-looking statues what "Watership Down" did for rabbits!
posted @ Mon, Jun 11, 2007 7:44:38 pm EDT from 4.244.214.53

*Battle Beast*

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Made_in_America_(The_Sopranos)

Really is the best description of what happened on the show. However, I didn't watch it so I don't know any more.
ElWampa - [elwampa at kraftywerks dot com]
posted @ Mon, Jun 11, 2007 1:48:43 pm EDT from 70.122.2.231

Greg> Could you just tell me in brief what happened on the episode of the Sopranos? IO am not able to see it, and I'd liek to know what happened. MAybe put spoiler tags above. IF you could. Thanks.
Battle Beast - [wlukinuk at telus dot net]
"Here you leave today and enter the world of Yesterday, Tomorrow, and Fantasy." - Walt Disney, on a plaque out side Disneyland and Disney World
posted @ Mon, Jun 11, 2007 12:24:53 pm EDT from 142.59.132.201

I don't know if Morgan will instantly become a clan ally. I mean, from his point of view, gargoyles were an urban legend, that turned out to be real, possibly dangerous monsters. On top of that, the woman he likes was in a relationship with one of those inhuman creatures for two years. I don't think he'll join the Quarrymen or anything, but I can't picture him being an ally right away.
Samuel - [AnglOfHellO at AOL dot com]
"You and what StarFleet?" - Brooklyn
posted @ Mon, Jun 11, 2007 12:17:36 pm EDT from 64.12.116.197

So...who else thinks Morgan is going to find out why those gargoyle "costumes" look so real? In the teaser for #5, it implies that someone will find out the gargoyles' secret. So I'm guessing Morgan will. It would be nice for the clan to have another human friend. But let's hope he's on their side--since if he finds out about Goliath, he'll know that Elisa is more than "just friends" with a gargoyle. I tend to think Morgan would keep their secret safe, but then again, we don't know him that well enough to know exactly what he would do, not to mention he will be spurned by Elisa for a gargoyle.
Purplegoldfish - [skydragonn at aol dot com]
"Whoa, Tiny, you mean there's more than one of you?" "My name is not Tiny! I am Goliath!" - Elisa and Tiny
posted @ Mon, Jun 11, 2007 12:11:05 pm EDT from 70.233.87.249

Lucky 13.
Adam - [carl006_1999 at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Mon, Jun 11, 2007 7:21:45 am EDT from 24.118.211.207

Number 12!

11 days left until The Gathering 2007 in Pigeon Forge, Tennessee!
Patrick - [<-- The Gathering 2007]
"We have so much time, and so little to do! Strike that, reverse it." - Willy Wonka
posted @ Mon, Jun 11, 2007 7:07:32 am EDT from 67.38.247.176

Missed it... Got my lucky number 11 though...
Matt - [St dot Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age! Between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!" -Macbeth
posted @ Mon, Jun 11, 2007 6:31:13 am EDT from 24.207.163.239

(10)Tenth! And away we go on with the show.
Vinnie - [tpeano29 at hotmail dot com]
It's silly. It's a silly movie. There just isn't much there. Once you take it all apart, there's not much story, is there?- George Lucas on Spider-Man 3
posted @ Mon, Jun 11, 2007 5:42:26 am EDT from 69.54.209.89

9th
JJ Gregarius
posted @ Mon, Jun 11, 2007 1:58:30 am EDT from 206.57.91.179

8th
KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra_582 at hotmail dot com]
"Ignore me!" - Venture Bros.
posted @ Mon, Jun 11, 2007 12:55:00 am EDT from 69.95.91.205

7th
dph_of_rules
Whatever happenned to simplicity?
posted @ Mon, Jun 11, 2007 12:37:03 am EDT from 75.88.21.71

sixth
oneuke
posted @ Mon, Jun 11, 2007 12:34:23 am EDT from 69.3.63.6

Fifth!
Kaylle
posted @ Mon, Jun 11, 2007 12:32:54 am EDT from 66.31.44.143

A brief GargWiki announcement.

We've recently had a terrible spamming problem. Similar to the one at Ask Greg. Because of this, new users must be given sysop priviledges in order to create or edit entries. This is just a precaution to keep the trolls and spammers out. Everyone who signs up (who's not a troll of spammer) will be given sysop priviledges.

Right now, all non-spam users are in the process of being given sysop priviledges. If you have a username and can't edit... rest assured, within the next few days, you will be able to.

With that out of the way, who saw the final episode of "The Sopranos"? I thought it was brilliant and satisfying.
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The 11th Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"Let me tell you something. Nowadays, everybody's got to go to shrinks and counselors and go on Sally Jesse Raphael and talk about their problems. Whatever happened to Gary Cooper, the strong silent type? That was an American. He wasn't in touch with his feelings. He just did what he had to do. See what they didn't know was once they got Gary Cooper in touch with his feelings was that they wouldn't be able to shut him up and then it's dysfunction this and dysfunction that and dysfunction va fa culo!" -Tony Soprano
posted @ Mon, Jun 11, 2007 12:08:50 am EDT from 67.87.175.245

3rd!!

Woohoo!! Just booked my room at the Gathering!! Yay! Go, procrastination!!
Blaqthourne & Crimson Fury
Music Selection: Mulan OST
posted @ Mon, Jun 11, 2007 12:07:23 am EDT from 63.20.43.145

damn spelling, I meant through
Warcrafter - [grafixfangamer1 at sbcglobal dot net]
High school graduation is one week away!!! YAY!!!!!!
posted @ Mon, Jun 11, 2007 12:02:45 am EDT from 69.231.202.84

I went throught that just to get.....damn......DAMN.....very well, SECOND
Warcrafter - [grafixfangamer1 at sbcglobal dot net]
High school graduation is one week away!!! YAY!!!!!!
posted @ Mon, Jun 11, 2007 12:01:24 am EDT from 69.231.202.84

Too slow! :P
Battle Beast - [wlukinuk at telus dot net]
"Here you leave today and enter the world of Yesterday, Tomorrow, and Fantasy." - Walt Disney, on a plaque out side Disneyland and Disney World
posted @ Mon, Jun 11, 2007 12:00:45 am EDT from 142.59.132.201

Sure is quiet. Doesn't anyone want to say anything?

*chirp, chirp, chirp*

Okay, well what about you crickets, you got anything to say?

cricket> Hell no!

Really, okay then, I'll say something..............FIRST!!!
Warcrafter - [grafixfangamer1 at sbcglobal dot net]
High school graduation is one week away!!! YAY!!!!!!
posted @ Mon, Jun 11, 2007 12:00:22 am EDT from 69.231.202.84

First! Weeee! First in a long, long, long time!

Enough talk about suicide... lets start a new subject, shall we?
Battle Beast - [wlukinuk at telus dot net]
"Here you leave today and enter the world of Yesterday, Tomorrow, and Fantasy." - Walt Disney, on a plaque out side Disneyland and Disney World
posted @ Mon, Jun 11, 2007 12:00:04 am EDT from 142.59.132.201