Comment Room Archive : Gargoyles : Station Eight

One of Jackson's weaknesses in the LOTR movies was that, although his battle scenes were visually exciting, they had some weak spots in the script, when you looked at them.

HELM'S DEEP: Theoden's decision to retreat to Helm's Deep rather than face Saruman's forces in open battle is portrayed in the movie as weak and foolish; in fact, under the circumstances (Saruman having a far larger army than Theoden's), it makes very good sense (letting the fortifications of Helm's Deep compensate for the numerical superiority of Saruman's forces). Aragorn advises Theoden to send for reinforcements at a point when Saruman's army is already a few hours away (the help would never arrive in time). The Elves of Lothlorien, under Haldir, arrive at Helm's Deep ahead of Saruman's Uruk-hai, even though Lorien is further away from Helm's Deep than Isengard, and they depart after Elrond and Galadriel's telepathic conference (which takes place after the Uruk-hai march out from Isengard). And the slope that Gandalf and Eomer charge down at the end of the movie seems too steep for a cavalry charge to take place on.

MINAS TIRITH/THE PELENNOR FIELDS: Faramir's charge on the orcs in Osgiliath is as suicidally reckless as the Charge of the Light Brigade, and results in even heavier casualties. (It can maybe be explained by Denethor's descent into madness in the movie, and Faramir's own near-despair over his father's cold treatment of him, sapping him of the will to live. In the book, Faramir is instead reinforcing the garrison manning the fortifications between Osgiliath and Minas Tirith, which makes better sense from a strategic standpoint.) The catapults being used on Minas Tirith's walls probably do more damage than catapults could realistically do. Theoden's cavalry charge, as handled in the movie, gives the orcs too much time to prepare (and their pikemen are too easily swept away by the Rohirrim). (I might add that I also thought that the decision to have the arrival of the black ships and Eowyn's fight with the Witch-King take place simultaneously was inadvisable, since it keeps the audience from focusing on each one separately.)
Todd Jensen
Gargoyles - did for monstrous-looking statues what "Watership Down" did for rabbits!
posted @ Sun, Aug 19, 2007 6:21:41 pm EDT from 4.245.19.190

Antiyonder> Translate "went with Venom" to "had Venom forced down his throat" and that's an accurate account of what happened. Vulture as the third villain would not have helped... three villains was way too many.
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The 12th Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"Bad Guys: time to fight fire with fire!"
posted @ Sun, Aug 19, 2007 6:09:23 pm EDT from 67.87.175.245

Since SM3 is being brought up again, apparently before Sam went with Venom, The Vulture was planned as antagonist no. 3. Actor Ben Kingsley was to portray the character. How do you think the movie would have faired with him?

I think it would have been okay. Would have had two Sinister Six members on the big screen.

I just hope I didn't get GregW in trouble asking his comment on the movie.
Antiyonder - [antiyonder at yahoo,com]
posted @ Sun, Aug 19, 2007 5:43:51 pm EDT from 71.115.193.91

Greg B: Well, in all fairness, I think the movie "Spider Man 3" was ruined by the black suit, which Raimi only included because he was forced to. "Spider Man 2" gave us a magnificent set-up: Harry unmasking Peter, Harry conversing with his "father", and discovering who his father was. So, ultimately, we were cheated out of the story that I think Raimi wanted to tell, which was putting the focus on Peter and Harry.

Usually, when Sam Raimi and his brother Ivan work on a script together, the end result is good.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75 at gmail dot com]
"You ever try going mad without power? It's boring. No one listens to you." -Cargill ("The Simpsons Movie")
posted @ Sun, Aug 19, 2007 5:21:19 pm EDT from 71.62.204.109

Vicky> Well, first off, I don't want to get into the Lord of the Rings movie debate, but it comes up here every time he's mentioned. A few Tolkien fans here. I think PJ could do a good job, but, well... if he reigns himself in a little. I loved the LOTR movies, but I think his best film was "Heavenly Creatures".

Heh heh heh, for the fun of it, and because it would make Greg geek out... how about Joss Whedon? ;)
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The 12th Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"Bad Guys: time to fight fire with fire!"
posted @ Sun, Aug 19, 2007 5:12:33 pm EDT from 67.87.175.245

Hey i liked Spider Man 3!
Demon@
posted @ Sun, Aug 19, 2007 5:10:34 pm EDT from 190.2.14.81

Ok I have a bad choice of Directors. What about Peter Jackson then, LOTR was brilliant but I hated King Kong.
I wouldn't be confident if it was Michael Bay but I did enjoy Transformers
Vicky82 - [Vickyfanofwwe at aol dot com]
posted @ Sun, Aug 19, 2007 5:08:12 pm EDT from 195.93.21.4

Oh, forgot to mention. Please, please, please... no Bret Ratner. I don't want the Rush Hour guy anywhere near Gargoyles.
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The 12th Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"Bad Guys: time to fight fire with fire!"
posted @ Sun, Aug 19, 2007 5:01:07 pm EDT from 67.87.175.245

Count me in as another member of the "No Spielberg" camp. The guy hasn't made a good movie since the 80s. Sam Raimi... maybe, but after the debacle that was Spider-Man 3, I'm in no hurry to see him on another movie like this. Bryan Singer... not sure.

Guillermo del Toro would be good. Luc Besson would be another great choice.
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The 12th Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"Bad Guys: time to fight fire with fire!"
posted @ Sun, Aug 19, 2007 5:00:19 pm EDT from 67.87.175.245

Vicky: Spielberg is one of the directors on my DON'T list.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75 at gmail dot com]
"You ever try going mad without power? It's boring. No one listens to you." -Cargill ("The Simpsons Movie")
posted @ Sun, Aug 19, 2007 4:32:30 pm EDT from 71.62.204.109

I would like to see it live action with the Gargoyles CGI with either Steven Spielberg, Sam Rami, Brett Ratner or Bryan Singer directing it of course rated 12a or over
Vicky82 - [Vickyfanofwwe at aol dot com]
posted @ Sun, Aug 19, 2007 4:14:55 pm EDT from 195.93.21.4

Keep Michael Bay as far away from "Gargoyles" as possible. Hell, keep him as far away from a camera as possible.

I have no idea who my ideal director for "Gargoyles" would be. There's a lot I like, but some times you need to find that right match. Martin Scorsese is my favorite director, but he would not be right for it.
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The 12th Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"Bad Guys: time to fight fire with fire!"
posted @ Sun, Aug 19, 2007 3:24:30 pm EDT from 67.87.175.245

Greg B.> Happy B-day.

Anonymous> And now you have doomed us to suffer that fate, mentioning that.

Michael Bay and Gargoyles. Ugh. *shudders*
KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra_582 at hotmail dot com]
'Thirty-Six. Nine.' - Issue #5
posted @ Sun, Aug 19, 2007 3:20:46 pm EDT from 69.95.30.134

Tony: I certainly wasn't suggesting that it completely emulates the look of Springfield. But rather, the basic idea of merging 2D with 3D was what I found intriguing.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75 at gmail dot com]
"You ever try going mad without power? It's boring. No one listens to you." -Cargill ("The Simpsons Movie")
posted @ Sun, Aug 19, 2007 2:46:35 pm EDT from 71.62.204.109

As long as they keep Bay away from Gargoyles and spend actually spend the money to give the Gargoyles the screentime they deserve, Live Action is ok.

Although I still would prefer 2D animation in the classic style (it is so seldom today that one sees non-deformed 2D animation).
Anonymous
posted @ Sun, Aug 19, 2007 2:25:20 pm EDT from 84.184.121.66

HoE> While I enjoyed The Simpson's Movie, and thought it was entertaining, humorous, and well animated, I would NOT want to see Gargoyles adopt the Simpson's style.

Personally, I would like to see a live action style, similar to that of Transformers, mixing CG elements (the Gargoyles) with real world elements.
TiniTinyTony - [tinitinytony at hotmail dot com]
"What you're passionate about, from a cartoon standpoint, has to do with what age you were when you very first saw it." ~Greg Weisman
posted @ Sun, Aug 19, 2007 2:16:35 pm EDT from 71.181.172.223

Greg W. Sorry to hear about your kitty. My deepest condolences.
Ethan Gilchrist - [ethan at randominformation dot com]
"I wouldn't wanna live in a world without grudges." --Jack Terricloth of the World Inferno Friendship Society
posted @ Sun, Aug 19, 2007 12:05:59 pm EDT from 66.56.6.148

Greg: Sorry to hear of your loss. I've always preferred cats to dogs.

On another note, some friends and I saw the Simpsons Movie on a whim last night. I was more impressed with it than I thought it would be. I liked the look of it a lot. It was like a blending of 2D and 3D Animation. I found myself thinking that if we ever see Gargoyles on the big screen, it might look best with a similar pairing.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75 at gmail dot com]
"You ever try going mad without power? It's boring. No one listens to you." -Cargill ("The Simpsons Movie")
posted @ Sun, Aug 19, 2007 12:02:06 pm EDT from 71.62.204.109

Tony >> Yeah, I thought about doing that myself, but figured it would be a triple-post.
Vaevictis Asmadi
posted @ Sun, Aug 19, 2007 11:49:17 am EDT from 63.139.8.101

Greg W. : I'm very sorry to hear about Bigtime. Having lost several cats myself over the years, I know just how it feels.

On a more pleasant note, happy (slighty belated) birthday, Greg B!
Spen
posted @ Sun, Aug 19, 2007 3:12:50 am EDT from 66.43.205.110

Vaevictis Asmadi> I hope you don't mind, but it's very hard to read your response. I used Word to fix it up to re-post it. I hope this doesn't put me in poor favor.

"So, I'm at my grandmother's house and her computer is ancient, with dial-up, and slow as snot, but I'm here.

Greg, I'm very sorry to hear about your cat. I remember when my family's dog died I was so devastated. There really is something special about having a relationship with fuzzy animals.

Concerning the sidebar on Ask Greg, I notice that Greg's Rambles now has a direct link. While you're at it rearranging the sidebar, I suggest that you move the FAQ and Archives links to *above* the Ask a Question link.

Replies:

Coldtrio >> Coldsteel is in town now -- didn't Coldstone and Coldfire say they wouldn't (re)-join the clan until Coldsteel was no longer a threat? It seems to me that although we may see them in #7-9, they won't be joining the clan that quickly unless Greg decides to kill off or suddenly incapacitate or reform Coldsteel in an unreasonable hurry.

Gathering >> Greg once said that in 2198 the Third Race are still in Avalon and not allowed to leave, so it will last at least 202 years (but only 8 years and 5 months on Avalon).

Patrolling Manhattan >> Somehow, I don't think that the lack of obvious gargoyle attacks will calm down the American public any time soon. All you need is the media and/or government to mention a threat about once a month, and we'll panic incessantly for six years.
I agree with Todd, though -- the media is far too sensationalist to admit that flying monsters of Doom didn't blow up the clock tower after all. Scotsmen are so much less exciting. Though I still wonder how New Yorkers can ignore/forget the HuGe blimp that was there just before each bombing.

First Episode and finding Ask Greg >> I found out about the Ask Greg site at the Gargoyles panel at Convergence 2006. I can't remember the first episode I saw, though, because it was years ago, probably during the original TV run, and I was pretty young. I know I at least saw Temptation, Grief, New Olympians, and parts of Awakening, City of Stone, Avalon, and Hunter's Moon. But I didn't get to see all the episodes until I got the DVDs and um, downloaded the rest of Season 2."
Vaevictis Asmadi
TiniTinyTony - [tinitinytony at hotmail dot com]
"What you're passionate about, from a cartoon standpoint, has to do with what age you were when you very first saw it." ~Greg Weisman
posted @ Sun, Aug 19, 2007 12:17:37 am EDT from 71.181.208.178

Wow, that's hideous. I didn't expect the formatting on my gramma's non-standard word processing program to clash that badly. Sorry.
Vaevictis Asmadi
posted @ Sat, Aug 18, 2007 6:23:03 pm EDT from 63.139.8.108

So, I’m at my grandmother’s house and her computer is ancient, with dial-up, and slow as snot, but I‘m here.

Greg, I’m very sorry to hear about your cat. I remember when my family’s dog died I was so devastated. There really is something special about having a relationship with fuzzy animals.

Concerning the sidebar on Ask Greg, I notice that Greg’s Rambles now has a direct link. While you’re at it rearranging the sidebar, I suggest that you move the FAQ and Archives links to *above* the Ask a Question link.

Replies:

Coldtrio >> Coldsteel is “in town” now -- didn’t Coldstone and Coldfire say they wouldn’t (re)-join the clan until Coldsteel was no longer a threat? It seems to me that although we may see them in #7-9, they won’t be joining the clan that quickly… unless Greg decides to kill off or suddenly incapacitate or reform Coldsteel in an unreasonable hurry.

Gathering >> Greg once said that in 2198 the Third Race are still in Avalon and not allowed to leave, so it will last at least 202 years (but only 8 years and 5 months on Avalon).

Patrolling Manhattan >> Somehow, I don’t think that the lack of obvious gargoyle attacks will calm down the American public any time soon. All you need is the media and/or government to mention a threat about once a month, and we’ll panic incessantly for six years.
I agree with Todd, though -- the media is far too sensationalist to admit that flying monsters of Doom didn’t blow up the clock tower after all. Scotsmen are so much less exciting. Though I still wonder how New Yorkers can ignore/forget the HuGe blimp that was there just before each bombing.

First Episode and finding Ask Greg >> I found out about the Ask Greg site at the Gargoyles panel at Convergence 2006. I can’t remember the first episode I saw, though, because it was years ago, probably during the original TV run, and I was pretty young. I know I at least saw Temptation, Grief, New Olympians, and parts of Awakening, City of Stone, Avalon, and Hunter’s Moon. But I didn’t get to see all the episodes until I got the DVDs and um, downloaded the rest of Season 2.
Vaevictis Asmadi
posted @ Sat, Aug 18, 2007 6:21:42 pm EDT from 63.139.8.108

Greg, I just lost my pet ferret not too long ago... my condolences.

Patrick> *Ching Ching* I broke the bank! ^_^
Battle Beast - [Canada]
That is all I will say.
posted @ Sat, Aug 18, 2007 5:46:49 pm EDT from 142.59.132.201

Im sorry too, Greg I loose many pets over the years (i have many though) and i learnt that pain can be ease if we think of all the time they have lived and what we gave them That always works for me
Demon@
posted @ Sat, Aug 18, 2007 5:44:46 pm EDT from 190.2.14.81

My condolences to you and your family, especially your children, Greg. Pets share a special place in our hearts and to be loved by a pet is truly a gift.
Siren
Don't knock on Death's door. Ring his doorbell and run, he hates that.
posted @ Sat, Aug 18, 2007 4:08:53 pm EDT from 68.202.76.113

It's sad to lose a pet. Sympathies, Greg W.

TTT> I'm sure he can get a few references to Gargoyles into Spiderman. He was able to sneak in a couple lines into the English script of 3X3 Eyes anime (second release of the series), and of course he got the Brenda-Marco couple into W.I.T.C.H., with a brief guest appearance of Bill F. in a later episode as a rock creature. If he wants to, he'll get it in there.

In a slightly related subject: I've started classes for the fall, one tech writing, and the other two biologys. These are population and behavioral ecologys, so I should be able to actually contribute to discussions in the future.
Asatira
posted @ Sat, Aug 18, 2007 11:03:51 am EDT from 24.181.112.130

Any loss of a pet really hurts. I hope you heal quickly, Greg W.

* * *

On a brighter side, I was thinking. Dangerous, I know, but since Greg W. is going the new Spider-man and that character's home town is NY. Any chance that Greg W. will throw in some Gargoyles references in his new show?
TiniTinyTony - [tinitinytony at hotmail dot com]
"What you're passionate about, from a cartoon standpoint, has to do with what age you were when you very first saw it." ~Greg Weisman
posted @ Sat, Aug 18, 2007 9:21:34 am EDT from 71.181.208.178

A sad piece of news from "Ask Greg": Greg's cat Bigtime has passed on. As someone who knows himself what it's like to lose a cat who's been with you for a long time (the death of my grey cat Merlin, almost three years ago), I'd like to offer you my condolences, Greg.
Todd Jensen
Gargoyles - did for monstrous-looking statues what "Watership Down" did for rabbits!
posted @ Sat, Aug 18, 2007 7:39:13 am EDT from 4.244.215.64

*checks archive* OH yeah, it was about invoking Godwin's Law, and not about the actual blather. Remind me not to do that again.
Mara - [angelcarnivore at gmail dot com]
"That's the Beauty of it" Reverend Thrower, The Seventh Son
posted @ Sat, Aug 18, 2007 12:48:29 am EDT from 69.154.241.38

Re: Blather-

Oh, SURE, the LAST time this was posted, I was very much into it after first not being able to read it without my eyes crossing (a sure sign of cryptic symbolism) after realizing that read aloud in a sort of boheme spoken word piece sort of way that it made a lot of sense. And then I posted, whatever it was I posted , and then felt mortally embarrassed for a period of months. And now here it is again, taunting with it's renewed existence. As said in the movie, Every time I think I'm out, they pull me back in again.

Aqua-man is the key, I'm pretty sure. And I don't care what anyone thinks, I still think it's pretty darn cool.
Mara - [angelcarnivore at gmail dot com]
"That's the Beauty of it" Reverend Thrower, The Seventh Son
posted @ Sat, Aug 18, 2007 12:38:07 am EDT from 69.154.241.38

Blather> When Greg first posted that (back in May of '06) I saved a copy on my desktop. I also copied it to my PDA and spent the next few months reading and re-reading it, wasting hours doing research and looking for some kind of meaning. I found bits and pieces that might have meant something, but eventually decided that it was just a fun experiment in stream-of-consiousness writing that was ultimately meaningless.
Now that Greg has re-posted it, I'm not so sure that it is meaningless. That means that all my free time for the next few months will again be lost to the futility of understanding this Blather. Greg, why do you do this to me?
Phil - [p1anderson at go dot com]
posted @ Fri, Aug 17, 2007 11:58:18 pm EDT from 70.229.37.39

First episode: Uhhh...that would probably be the "Awakening" edited movie. I watched that thing to the ground, because at that time, the series showed up on none of the local channels around here, and none of the video stores carried the other VHS. I was stuck with the older comics, which I now see were terrible, but were at the time my lifeline to Gargoyles.

Much later, the CBC showed some of the episodes, mostly from the World Tour, and I got more knowledge. Also, the Goliath Chronicles showed up on ABC, but at the time I couldn't get how bad they were. Family Channel also would show uncut and commerical-free episodes of the series, but that was only accessible when I was at a house with cable...it was in one of those that I found out there were additonal parts to Awakening.

It's a miracle that I survived. :P

I don't know when I discovered fandom, but I'd know about S8.org quite a while before I joined, and TGS, and a lot of other cornerstones of fandom.
incisivis - [incisivis at hotmail dot com]
"No live organism can continue for long to exist sanely under conditions of absolute reality; even larks and katydids are supposed, by some, to dream" -- Shirley Jackson
posted @ Fri, Aug 17, 2007 11:37:22 pm EDT from 216.36.154.204

Maybe there's a secret message in Greg Weisman's "Blather". Anyone an expert in cryptology?
TiniTinyTony - [tinitinytony at hotmail dot com]
"What you're passionate about, from a cartoon standpoint, has to do with what age you were when you very first saw it." ~Greg Weisman
posted @ Fri, Aug 17, 2007 11:35:11 pm EDT from 71.181.208.178

I still think there's a hidden message in the blanther. I am pretty sure that the hidden message isn't caused by the line breaks since there are no deliberate line breaks in the paragraph.
dph_of_rules
Whatever happenned to simplicity?
posted @ Fri, Aug 17, 2007 11:24:43 pm EDT from 71.29.69.238

First episode> I started off by first watching half an episode, I believe it was Hunter's Moon part 1. The first full episode I saw was M.I.A. but it didn't really interest me in the series (probably because it didnt make much sense on how far it already was in the series). So a few years later I saw a commercial for it on Toon Disney which really intrigued me. I watched the very first episode which got me interested and then I watched all the rest.
Warcrafter - [grafixfangamer1 at sbcglobal dot net]
I START COLLEGE MONDAY, HORRAY!!!!
posted @ Fri, Aug 17, 2007 11:01:20 pm EDT from 69.231.225.167

Battle Beast > Your computer didn't dispense a big pile of quarters when all those sevens came up?

316 days left until The Gathering 2008 in Chicago, Illinois!
Patrick - [<-- The Gathering 2008]
"A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men." - Willy Wonka
posted @ Fri, Aug 17, 2007 10:50:36 pm EDT from 67.38.243.193

I was thinking about the discussion earlier this week concerning what might happen in the Timedancer story, not the spinoff. Something to take into account is that is that was the story that inspired TGC episode Runaways. That said what aspects from the episode would probably occur in Timedancer. The obvious one is Brooklyn's jealousy of Broadway and Angela, and maybe a brief dispute with Goliath (only without the speach about how Brooklyn would make a good leader someday).
Antiyonder - [antiyonder at yahoo,com]
posted @ Fri, Aug 17, 2007 10:25:23 pm EDT from 71.115.193.91

It confused me the first time I read it, and it confuses me now, even a year later.
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The 12th Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"Bad Guys: time to fight fire with fire!"
posted @ Fri, Aug 17, 2007 10:18:16 pm EDT from 67.87.175.245

Wow. Maybe it's because I've recently been listening to Yes's "Tales From Topographic Oceans" a lot (in which the lyrics are complete nonsense), but Greg's post rocks.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75 at gmail dot com]
"You know, you and my mother, you're like two peas in a pod. She can't use a phone, either, but she's seventy years old. What's your f**king excuse?" -Tony Soprano
posted @ Fri, Aug 17, 2007 10:17:19 pm EDT from 71.62.204.109

Just because it bears repeating every once in a while:

Blather

So in a tryce came the documentary depicting many a Chinese doll and also the three wise men (who may or may not have been kings) that needed sixty-two dollars between them to redeem the coupon, which offered up solace and not a little irony to anyone who hadn't yet seen the crew chewing on leaves that weren't tobacco, but might have been sage and still left horrible stains in the dirt floor of the lean-to where I left my ski poles after the overnight with the cranes that were kept on the lake domestically for the purpose of tourism but who could also speak Latin on occasion when prompted by offers of cheese or jerky -- though not just any jerky, it had to be salmon jerky -- which isn't always easy to come by when you've agreed to leave before closing on summer days in the springtime of your life, which has been known to last longer in people who aren't concerned about under-inebriation or over-intoxication or both: it's the balance which is everything when nothing else will do and no one else will participate in the extravaganza that's been created by the giant invisible flying monkey brain that is modern life in the Twenty-First Century, counting since the (approximate) birth of Christ -- as long as the lack of the number zero doesn't disturb your math sensibilities as, frankly, it does mine, though I like to think I've made peace with that and with the Skrull too, since I haven't picked up an issue of that book in about nine years, which wasn't an intentional or explicit act of cold turkey so much as a sliding away followed by a none-too-impressive epiphany -- far from the best epiphany I've ever had, say, compared to Tintagel or Lego, not to mention the birth of certain children, which couldn't get more personal than the zany antics of the semi-erotic flea circus, which used to travel the stars waiting for an invitation to land at your door, since you are the personal target of the extra-lunar probe that counted all the seahorses that Aquaman used to make the giant seahorse that he could actually ride, though no faster than he could swim himself on his own power -- and no, we're not talking Super Friends here, but something older, more primal, something that was born back when the Ptero-whatever streaked across the sky leaving behind contrails made not of smoke but of pure and unadulterated grace, a commodity in which we are sorely shy as a planet, and yet which we find in the most unlikley of places, including but not limited to contracts which dictate how we will interact with each other but do it in such a way that no normal human being could possibly wrap their heads around the language and internalize the meaning, which we declare to be progress or civilization and which is not meant as a criticism so much as a detachment of troopers marching on a hill that you wouldn't pay five ducats -- FIVE! -- to buy yourself, or so I told myself and Hamlet night after night, but now Hamlet is a Thief on FX and I haven't seen him face to face in over twenty years, which sometimes seems quite normal but sometimes blows me away, not that I want to move backwards at all, though I'm not sure that I'm truly moving forward and I'm convinced I'm not moving sideways, though the metaphor of the sidewinder is appealing, not in the cliché sense of something sinister and left-handed, though I do throw with my left hand, I can bowl just as badly with either hand, and even though I'm 42, I quite prefer to have bumpers instead of gutters, where the rain gets backed up and sometimes flows over the lip and creates leaks in the roof and drips, drips, drips down into the shiny metal bowl that's usually used for something much more pleasant like mixing cookie dough to create chewy wonderful ... well.. cookies (I mean "duh") that taste a little bit like home even when you are home and it is raining, or maybe ESPECIALLY when you are home and it is raining and the water overflows and the ocean fills and the giant seahorse peaks out and winks at the cranes, which is exactly what the documentary crew was hoping to capture when they first took out their cameras and shot the whole thing from three different angles across six different days and still never saw the giant invisible flying monkey brain, because it was, to put it mildly, invisible.
Greg Weisman
"How could I not believe in animism? Every time I get on my bathroom scale, proof is there before my eyes of the sentience (and perversity) of all things."
posted @ Fri, Aug 17, 2007 9:24:13 pm EDT from 64.14.248.62

The fist episode i saw of gargoyles was the Mark of the panther I was 7 years old and i remembered when Angela said " Why would they take the skin of and leave the flesh" or something like that I rediscovered the show 3 years ago.
In other new, for anyone who cares, today in Argentina we have some kind of celebration in wich we remember the worst crimes in our country, those that made us cry in their time And we remembered "Petiso Orejudo" a serial murdered that killed little kids in horrible ways If anyone is interested here a link about the bastard http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cayetano_Santos_Godino
Its in spanish, but well
Anonymous
posted @ Fri, Aug 17, 2007 5:58:15 pm EDT from 190.2.14.83

Oh as far as what the first episode was I saw... It was the premiere. I remember making a point of catching the premiere though I can't remember precisely what it was that inspired me to be so gun-ho about it.
Ethan Gilchrist - [ethan at randominformation dot com]
"I wouldn't wanna live in a world without grudges." --Jack Terricloth of the World Inferno Friendship Society
posted @ Fri, Aug 17, 2007 5:31:40 pm EDT from 66.56.6.148

A purely technical update on the GFW this time: The Gargoyles-Fans domain is moving. In the next few days, (nearly) all subdomains will be on their way onto a new home, as the old server they were hosted on is about to be retired. Don't worry though - most of you won't notice the move at all. If you belong to the small group of visitors who DO notice odd things during this move, please excuse the mess. We'll be back completely in no time.
Guandalug la'Fay - [guandalug at gargoyles-fans dot org]
It has been said that the world is a strange place. This is not true. The world is a VERY strange place.
posted @ Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:11:01 pm EDT from 80.145.21.178

While we seem to be on break with our trips down memory lane, I wanted to mention two things:
1) Gargoyles #5 is finally listed at Amazon.com
2) Gargoyles #3 and #4 FINALLY have non-customer related pictures associated with them, so you see a picture next to the title in the search results screen!
TiniTinyTony - [tinitinytony at hotmail dot com]
Content makes poor men rich; discontentment makes rich men poor.
posted @ Fri, Aug 17, 2007 2:48:17 pm EDT from 159.240.11.254

Ethan> At least thing are better for you! And you're welcome! :)

Security Code> 777777 ??? Weird.
Battle Beast - [Canada]
That is all I will say.
posted @ Fri, Aug 17, 2007 12:46:00 pm EDT from 142.59.132.201

First Episode> Way back before I had really watched a friend of mine at school kept telling me how much she loved the show and I still didn't watch it. I think I was flipping through the channels and caught about five minutes of "The Edge" or something. Later, probably out of boredom, I sat down and watched a full episode: "Temptation". I was hooked right there and watched it ever since.
Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age! Between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!" -Macbeth
posted @ Fri, Aug 17, 2007 5:50:09 am EDT from 24.207.163.239

Blaise> "But, even if I don't post, I visit the Comment Room every single day (sometimes more than once)."

Yeah, same here.

1st Episodes> Mine was 'Temptation'. I remember watching it and liking the storyline a LOT. Then life took over for a while, and by the time I could get back into the show was the next airing of 'Temptation'. I watched it again, (Barely remembered it at that point), then I watched the ones afterward, and by the time I saw 'The Edge', I was hooked.
KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra_582 at hotmail dot com]
'Thirty-Six. Nine.' - Issue #5
posted @ Fri, Aug 17, 2007 3:07:54 am EDT from 69.95.30.118

As far as the show itself, I was kicked out of my parents' house in 1994 after the show had premiered. I chose to go to NYC partially because of Gargoyles. Even while I was homeless that first winter I still managed to catch as many episodes as I could and once I had a place to stay I watched it religiously. As far as the con goes, I was kind of roped into helping out the staff during the 2003 con since I lived in NYC and could be a go-to guy for local stuff. I wound up pouring my heart and soul into the small contributions I made (hell I broke down in tears quite a few times when some things didn't work out like I'd hoped) and you'd figure I wouldn't want anything else to do with it all. Well, thanks to some truly wonderful friends that I made during the con, I stuck around and have been lurking behind the scenes ever since. Gargoyles helped me through a very tough time in my life and the people I've met through the fandom have done the same since.

Thank you everyone. =)
Ethan Gilchrist - [ethan at randominformation dot com]
"I wouldn't wanna live in a world without grudges." --Jack Terricloth of the World Inferno Friendship Society
posted @ Fri, Aug 17, 2007 12:40:48 am EDT from 66.56.6.148

****Blaise slowly creeps into the Room, bent and bowed, using a staff to support his aged and decrepit body.**** Yea, I recall the time when I discovered "Gargoyles" and then, 2 years and a few months later, the fandom. Back then I was a spry 14-16 year old. Now look at me! A haggard...27 year old. Hmmmm...(*Blaise stands up and tosses away the cane*). I might have been overdoing things.

DISCOVERING THE SERIES> Okay, I've told this all before, but why not again for the new folks?
"Tim Burton's Nightmare Before Christmas" came out early in 1994 on tape, and one of the previews was for something called "Gargoyles". Being a "dragons and gargoyles" nut, I was of course interested. I became doubly so when the preview showed (the-as-yet-unnamed) Goliath saving (the-also-not-yet-named) Elisa. My siblings and I all gasped, "There are GOOD gargoyles?!" It was the first time I'd seen that happen.
As October neared, I caught advertisements for it on TV. Through them, I learned that "Gargoyles" would begin airing on the 24th of that month, and to check my local listings for times. So I did, and when the day came I tuned in, and the rest is history.
When it changed timeslots for the second season, I was prepared--"Gargoyles" was the animated show that got me to check the listings around the start of the fall season for exactly what time it was going to be on. It was also one of the few shows that actually had "Season Finales"--"Hunter's Moon," 'nuff said.
As with the second season, I checked the listings around the fall of 1996 for news of a third season. Yes, I was filled with certainty that there was a third season. Eventually, I found something labeled as "Gargoyles-Goliath C" in my listings for Saturday. So I tuned in to the first episode of "Gargoyles: The Goliath Chronicles." I wondered at the name (and the sudden need to have Goliath narrate the beginning of the ep), and why the art/coloring/animation looked so different, but the story felt right (and I correctly figured out Castaway's true identity within half-an-hour of the episode). Unfortunately, every subsequent week I tuned in, every episode managed to disappoint me in some way (some more than others). After "To Serve Mankind" the show got stuck in rerun limbo, leaving me to wander around trying to find a "Gargoyles" fix.
Now up until this time, I knew there were things called "the Internet" and the "World Wide Web" but I never had much use for them (except maybe the occasional MUD or Sierra hint board). Then, sometime within the closing months of 1996, or maybe it was as late as January 1997, my mother showed me a list of "Gargoyles" related websites she had found. And I became hooked. Yes, I visited the "Gargoyles Fan Website" when it was at "castle.net." Through that I discovered a bit of fan fiction (some of it good enough to give me my "Gargoyles" fix), and the Station 8 Comment Room. I remember it back on CapeCod.net, and then moving to "the edge at humberc" or something. I remember some of the designs for the site way back then. How some of the CR avatars were fan art drawings of certain characters (like Desdemona), and one completely original fan created character (Liberty, by Steph AKA, RaptorWoman). Heck, I even remember that short-lived section of the site called "The Box" (a sort of survey area).
I myself lurked for about three months or so. I learned when the last two episodes of TGC were going to air, and (thanks to an inside source of some kind who posted as "John Castaway") what the plot of "Angels in the Night" was going to be. In March of 1997 (back when Todd Jenson still posted with the Cagney avatar), I made my first post, appearing in a ball of fire (I had seen people sign off with things like "Glides away/out the window" and just decided to "out-Herod Herod" so to speak). I posted most when I was still in high school and college (obviously not during school hours), gradually fading back to lurk in the shadows as RL took over my time. But, even if I don't post, I visit the Comment Room every single day (sometimes more than once).

And that's enough from this old rambling man. Until next time, farewell. ****Blaise sprouts wings from his back and glides out through the window.****
Blaise
"Build a man a fire, keep him warm for a day. Set a man on fire, keep him warm for the rest of his life."--Terry Pratchett's "Jingo"
posted @ Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:16:28 pm EDT from 4.232.180.97

I think the first episode that I saw was Vows (1995) and been hooked ever since. I remember that The Animals of Farthing wood Season 3 had finished (which I was a big fan of it) and was a bit depressed that it had finished. Then watching Gargoyles lifted my spirits up until that finished

I didn't get the internet until 2000 so as soon I was online I had to find out why Gargoyles was canceled, and saw all the fanfiction. I only started coming into this comment room since I found out the comic book was come out.
Vicky82 - [Vickyfanofwwe at aol dot com]
posted @ Thu, Aug 16, 2007 9:14:52 pm EDT from 195.93.21.4

I caught the show when it first premeired back in 1994, but when the TGC began and they moved stations, I lost track of the show.

Then around 2003, when I started to get regular internet, I found the site while searching for Gargoyles.

I've been reading Greg's responses for the bast four years and I began visiting the CR sporadically last winter.

All in all, a good experience so far . . . .
Phoenician - [<---My Kinda Useless Blog]
"The Suspense is Terrible . . . I Hope it Lasts" -- Willy Wonka
posted @ Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:57:36 pm EDT from 70.162.221.121

My first episode came about by accident. I turned the channel to see Elisa pouncing on Demona just as she shot her bazooka at Goliath and they fall off the castle. My first thought was, "WTF? Is this Batman?". Intrigued, I kept watching. I figured out it had nothing to do with Batman and then the Disney logo for Buena Vista Television came up and I was floored again, "WTF?! This is Disney???". I was hooked. I had just got my first computer, a Gateway 2000....it was a behemoth compared to the laptop I own now. We weren't online yet and to curb my appetite for the show between airings, I started to write my own episode of Gargoyles, in which I created a character named Siren. We got AOL soon after, I went online and one of the very first things I searched for was Gargoyles. I found GFW and then Station Eight (back in the days of Flight of Dragons page.....I MISS THAT GORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) Back when Satana would edit screencaps to look like the characters you created. Wow....those were the days. And then Mini-Clan came into being and Gorebash was nice enough to give us some space of our own there with our own chat rooms....THE DEN....wow. For the first time in a long time, I actually MISS being 16. I had a really shitty teenage time (I know, everyone does), but some bad stuff happened to me. And the Mini-Clan helped me through it. So weird to think of it all now. But anyways, back to the show...In the Gathering, when Owen is revealed to be Puck, I remember saying quite out loud, "OH MY GOD!", my mom ran in thinking something was wrong and all I could say was, "Owen is Puck...Puck is Owen. Oh my god!". Disgusted she walked away. :P
Siren
Don't knock on Death's door. Ring his doorbell and run, he hates that.
posted @ Thu, Aug 16, 2007 8:52:02 pm EDT from 68.202.76.113

It's a pity I didn't learn about the fandom's existence until 2004. Williamsburg is, like, an hour's drive from me.

First episode I saw (after watching the movie, which my brother borrowed from someone) was "Long Way to Morning." I watched as much of the first season as I could during the summer of 1995, but it was after "Metamorphosis" that I started watching religiously. I considered (and still consider) the ending of that episode to be one of the most powerful things I've seen in an after-school cartoon. And then I saw "Deadly Force," and my initial reaction when I saw Elisa bleeding on the floor was: "holy shit. They can DO that?"

Greg B: Pity they're probably not still around. I'm always on the lookout for things to mock on the internet.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75 at gmail dot com]
Goliath: "You can't face her." Hudson: "I can face her... I just can't beat her." ("Long Way to Morning")
posted @ Thu, Aug 16, 2007 7:02:25 pm EDT from 71.62.204.109

Ah, the memories. I recall that i was facing the tough choice of the season 2 preimer of X-men and Gargoyles. It was part of the Disney Afternoon block so I didn't have high hopes it would be any different from Aladdin and Darkwing Duck, but I figured X-men would be around, but Gargoyles might not be. So I gave I tuned in on Monday. By Tuesday I was taping it. What really hooked me was when Goliath caped his wings at the start of the second act. As a dragon fan, I thought that was the height of cool.
Taleweaver - [rfootman1 at earthlink dot net]
posted @ Thu, Aug 16, 2007 3:21:43 pm EDT from 71.165.148.128

I was huge into the Disney Afternoon after school. But I wasn't in Gargoyles at first. The commercials never did anything to peak my interest so I didn't tune in. I think I started watching the show when the 2nd Season began and the 1st season was already in re-runs. I think the first episode I ever saw was Leader of the Pack, and I didn't understand the back story. I believe I was still reading Disney Adventures at the time which could have peaked my interest; I don't recall. (Similarly, how I got into Beast Wars: Transformers was through re-runs.)

I loved the second season, although I always wondered how long the "World Tour" was going to take. I wanted them to get back to New York!

Future Tense was a great episode and then The Hunter's Moon was awesome, but then TGC were a complete let down. And I never understood (until now) why they spent so much time going around the world, and then not to tie that all together.

Then the show ended, and the DVDs and this site brought the show back to life! In 1999, I went to college in Bloomsburg, PA and they had this channel I never had called Toon Disney. They aired two episodes of Gargoyles every night. I taped every episode on about 14 VHS tapes without commercials in order in which they aired them. I've never watched the tapes, only recorded them.

Then the DVDs came out, I found this site, and it begins again. I'm so happy that Gargoyles is in comics and I'm glad the stories in #4, #5, and #6 are GOLD compared to TGC.
TiniTinyTony - [tinitinytony at hotmail dot com]
Content makes poor men rich; discontentment makes rich men poor.
posted @ Thu, Aug 16, 2007 3:14:58 pm EDT from 159.240.11.254

The first episode I saw was "Awakening II" and I was hooked from then on. Watched EVERY episode in syndicatiopn after school (4:30 PM!) and could WAIT untill the next day to see the next Episode!!!

To date, the ONLY episodes I haven't seen More than twice are "Turf" and "The Reckoning."
Battle Beast - [Canada]
That is all I will say.
posted @ Thu, Aug 16, 2007 12:17:06 pm EDT from 142.59.132.201

I caught the show from the beginning; hooked me right in and I watched it faithfully till they change the timeslot sometime in season 2. This caused me to miss most of season 2b, and I lost track of the series entirely. Had no clue there was anything else going on until last year. Gargoyles came up in random conversation at a friendly get-together, and Ethan told me about the site, The Gathering, and the DVDs. Quickly snagged both collections, journaled on my art site about the plight of 2b, spent hours poking around the Ask Greg archive, but couldn't go to the con that year due to lack of funding. Somehow I missed the fact that there was a comment room, or I'd have been in here earlier.

Left the whole issue alone for awhile, dithering about The Gathering because I didn't want to go alone. As soon as Ethan and Vox said I could go with them, though, my registration was bought and it all went up from there. Had a great time with everybody, sold a bit of art, did some sketching, and I wish I could've been there longer. After the con, I jumped in here, and I'll definitely be there next year in Chicago (and we'll get to stay the whole time this time!). Yay for carpooling.
Kerry (Kth) Boyd - [kth dot dragon at gmail dot com]
posted @ Thu, Aug 16, 2007 10:19:47 am EDT from 199.38.51.134

I didn't have internet access when the show was on the air. I remember it was about a week or so after the final episode of "The Goliath Chronicles" aired, I was at a friend's house, and we booted up AOL... wow, the ancient days indeed. Tried, AOL Keyword "Gargoyles" out of curiosity, and got nothing... then did an internet search on "Gargoyles", and found a few websites.

I do remember one website which posted a phony list of episode titles for a non-existent fourth season that claimed they were legit. A few of them were "Raven's Game", "Nevermore", "Of Fire, Steel and Stone", "The Demon's Sister"... and about twenty others, I forget... anybody else remember these? I saw this after reading news that the series was indeed canceled, so I knew it was bull... I mean, seriously "The Demon's Sister"???

Eventually, I found s8. It had the longest URL in the world, and I remember writing it down so I wouldn't lose it (my friend's computer and AOL, I couldn't save it for myself)... and my first post was about how much I thought TGC sucked ;).

Got sucked into Ask Greg (those were the days when we could post thousands of separate topics in one post), made a few friends in the fandom, and, well, he rest is history.
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The 12th Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"Bad Guys: time to fight fire with fire!"
posted @ Thu, Aug 16, 2007 9:46:14 am EDT from 67.87.175.245

Caught my first episode unintentionally in late 1994. Setup a single fan page about the show on some random web space that was free with my dial-up access. Put a hit counter on it (like I'd done to my other fan pages). My friends and I would amuse ourselves by reloading the page to bump the hit counter as much as we could during lunch at school. Then the counter started moving on its own (Chris had linked to the page from the GFW when it was at castle.net) and I wanted to find out who was actually visiting the page. Setup a guest book application, but called it a comment room. That was April of 1995 I believe. Took all of a month before people realized they could talk back and forth in nearly real-time with this guest book and started doing so. The comment room exploded and would take MINUTES to load. Enter the chat room and the weekly wiping of the comment room. Then Greg's sister found the site and e-mailed me. She gave me Greg's e-mail address. I e-mailed Greg. He responded. I was all "HOLY CRAP, HOLLYWOOD!". He made a few visits to the comment room and would hang in the chat room for a bit from time to time. Eventually he came up with the idea of Ask Greg to resolve legal and logistical issues that would come up responding to questions in the comment room. Someone puts out the idea of a convention (probably Mae Li) and Mae Li plunges into it and organizes the first con with Greg as our only guest. Greg teases Keith David is there during opening ceremonies, but isn't. Teases again, we don't fall for it, except he really IS there. Collective "HOLY SH*T" as we're all caught by surprise (well played Mae).

My ISP boots me because s8 is doing too much traffic on their network (like 5 gigs a month). I run s8 from my PC in my dorm room for a couple months. Then someone from Humber College (humber.ca) offers to host s8. Then s8 moves to the GFW's server. Eventually I pickup the s8.org domain.

We'd had a mailing list back in 1995. And there would be people who'd see episodes as they were being sent out to stations over satellite usually a week before they would air. So there would be the inevitable spoilers e-mail that'd come through and it'd always be a battle between the mind and soul as to whether you'd read the spoilers or wait for the show to air. I think I finally broke down after a million replies were posted in response to spoilers for "The Gathering" ... "Heeeeeere's PUCK!" I remember still being surprised even though I knew it was coming.
Gorebash - [gorebash at s8 dot org]
posted @ Thu, Aug 16, 2007 9:18:13 am EDT from 207.206.247.199

Jennifer and I were co-chairs for the 2006 con, too.

I remember castle.net and rat.org. I also remember the "Disney Afternoon".

317 days left until The Gathering 2008 in Chicago, Illinois!
Patrick - [<-- The Gathering 2008]
"We have so much time, and so little to do! Strike that, reverse it." - Willy Wonka
posted @ Thu, Aug 16, 2007 6:58:41 am EDT from 67.38.243.193

I ended up on Ask Greg in 2000, just through the usual browsing. Decided to finally make comments around the end of last year.
Antiyonder - [antiyonder at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Thu, Aug 16, 2007 6:52:25 am EDT from 71.115.195.228

I first learned of Gargoyles (beyond a very vague recollection) when I was browsing ST: TNG actors on IMDb on a lazy April 2002 Sunday. I decided to record and digitize the Toon Disney reruns as a summer project to learn how to edit video and fell in love with the series in the process. I found this site that summer and have been lurking ever since.

Side note: the show was so good it rekindled my love of animation lost since childhood and inspired me to switch my major from computer engineering to theatre that fall, my sophomore year. I've since received BA this last fall. I'll leave it an exercise for the reader to decide whether that was a good thing or a bad thing. ;)
Lumpmoose - [lumpmoose at googles dot email dot service]
posted @ Thu, Aug 16, 2007 1:56:05 am EDT from 216.250.163.157

Yup. I also remember when all the fanfic used to just be on that one mailing list. Ye gads, I'm old.
Christine - [christine at sabledrake dot com]
posted @ Thu, Aug 16, 2007 1:54:00 am EDT from 70.56.94.10

CORRECTION: Gathering 2001 - Jennifer L. Anderson and Patrick Toman - Co-chairs.

I found this site in 1996 while surfing the web when I was working at Disney. *whistles innocently since she wasn't suppose to use the web for personal use* Before that, starting in 1994, I constantly hosted Private Rooms for Gargoyles RP on AOL (back in the evil days of pay as you go!)

I missed the first Gathering, but did make it to the 2nd one. Where I came up with the dumb idea that I should run a Gargs convention myself sometime. Now I'm stuck with it for life... some sort of curse Weisman put on me, I'm sure. ;)

Anyone remember Castle.net and Rat.org? ;)
Jennifer "CrzyDemona" Anderson - [<--- Gathering of the Gargoyles 2008 CHICAGO!]
"I would like to remind you not to trust hooded men with hammers." -- Cardboard Gargoyle Guy
posted @ Thu, Aug 16, 2007 1:14:41 am EDT from 76.175.146.221

Like everyone else, I just surfed on in here. I fond this place when it still had sounds, clips, and a blue print diagram of Castle Wyvern. Many MANY moons ago. Gotta be 10 years. I was known back then as Brooklyn X, and then Pyro... I posted a bit, but I wasn't really active untill years later.
Battle Beast - [Canada]
That is all I will say.
posted @ Wed, Aug 15, 2007 11:26:31 pm EDT from 142.59.132.201

It's really cool to read all the responses so far. I've really enjoyed my time here so far, through the good times and the not so good times. Right now I'd say that I am 65% sure that I'm going to Chicago. I'd like to get my brother to come with me since he's a big fan like me and I happen to know him personally. :) Financially I don't think he's ready but I told him about it so he can make a decision before December.

I put up a flier in this cafe in Danville, PA, and it's gone. I'm wondering if the cafe took it down or if someone took it. I'm going to put another one up when I get the chance.
TiniTinyTony - [tinitinytony at hotmail dot com]
"What you're passionate about, from a cartoon standpoint, has to do with what age you were when you very first saw it." ~Greg Weisman
posted @ Wed, Aug 15, 2007 11:08:24 pm EDT from 70.15.81.80

I found this place in late 1996 when I first got regular internet(prior to that I simply had dialup access to freenet text based service only(no pictures, just text). I was afraid to comment or chat for at least until early 1997 when I finally got the nerve.

From there I went to Gathering 1998(my first real trip on my own, my first time flying-I was 32 at the time-which may sound strange 'til you know I'm legally blind)
Also went to 2001, 2003 and 2004.
Wingless
posted @ Wed, Aug 15, 2007 9:48:53 pm EDT from 74.115.187.62

I believe I found out about the fandom in either late 1999 to somewhere in 2000, and it was indirectly through the Aimee's artboard. I was looking for info on animation and drawing, and then I found her garg related art.
Asatira
posted @ Wed, Aug 15, 2007 8:20:06 pm EDT from 24.181.112.130

Me, I found this site by exploring the links at the GFW back when I first became a fan, around 2000 or 2001.
KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra_582 at hotmail dot com]
'Thirty-Six. Nine.' - Issue #5
posted @ Wed, Aug 15, 2007 7:13:08 pm EDT from 69.95.31.172

Actually, I was reading Issue #5 upside-down and backwards last night, and I'm pretty sure I found a message that Greg Weisman was killed in a motorcycle crash about a year ago. So, now I'm not sure who I got my picture taken with at the con.

Me, I found out about the fandom in Summer 2004, when I googled Gargoyles out of curiosity, having watched "City of Stone" on ToonDisney the night before. I'm pretty sure that was after the Montreal Gathering, and then this and that kept me from the 2005 and 2006 (I forget what I was doing 2005, but in February 2006 I had started a new job and they made me sign an agreement saying I couldn't use vacation hours for the first six months. Damn turnover rate). And when I told some people in my family that I was going to try to get to Chicago in 2008, they think I've now joined a cult. I probably should stop doing things to aggravate that rumor. Because, you all know how much I don't like messing with peoples' minds. ( ;
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75 at gmail dot com]
"Mih ssim, mih ssim, mih ssim. Nam, daed si luaP." -The White Album
posted @ Wed, Aug 15, 2007 6:46:21 pm EDT from 71.62.204.109

I found out about the comment room in December 1996, shortly after getting connected to the Internet for the first time and looking for "Gargoyles" sites out of curiosity.
Todd Jensen
Gargoyles - did for monstrous-looking statues what "Watership Down" did for rabbits!
posted @ Wed, Aug 15, 2007 6:17:48 pm EDT from 4.244.18.238

Was thinking about how much I liked Gargoyles in late 2000 and on a whim looked it up online. Stumbled into this Room and have been around ever since. Heard of the Gathering in here and attended it for the first time in 2002.
Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age! Between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!" -Macbeth
posted @ Wed, Aug 15, 2007 5:34:19 pm EDT from 24.207.163.239

I discovered this site by searching for "Gargoyles" on my brand new 14.4 baud AOL dial-up connection in December, 1996. I heard about The Gathering 1997 here in this comment room.
Patrick - [<-- The Gathering 2008]
"We have so much time, and so little to do! Strike that, reverse it." - Willy Wonka
posted @ Wed, Aug 15, 2007 5:28:43 pm EDT from 67.38.243.193

Greg B. & Matt> Thank you very much.

It's kind of depressing. I wish I knew about THE GATHERING sooner. I live in PA and would have had NO reservations about driving to NY. Damn it. I know I shouldn't cry over spilled milk. How did you guys hear about this site or THE Gathering in the first place?

For me, I know I heard about this site on the commentary for Gargoyles Season 1 which I remember watching in late 2004 or early 2005. Then I came on this site to "Ask Greg" a question, but it probably got deleted. Then I noticed that they queue was very long and then it was closed all of a sudden. I remember that I didn't understand why there was a Comment Room AND a Chat Room. So after awhile, I just stopped coming.

I don't even remember how I heard about the comic. I think I googled searched "Gargoyles" looking for news on Season 2 Vol 2 in July 2007 and found the comic. Then I think around that time I became a regular here. Geez.
TiniTinyTony - [tinitinytony at hotmail dot com]
Content makes poor men rich; discontentment makes rich men poor.
posted @ Wed, Aug 15, 2007 4:51:41 pm EDT from 159.240.11.254

The Gathering years, dates, locations and guests can also be found on the GargWiki under Gathering f the Gargoyles.
Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age! Between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!" -Macbeth
posted @ Wed, Aug 15, 2007 4:45:03 pm EDT from 24.207.163.239

Tony> Hear ya go:

1997. July 19th. New York, New York. Mae Li was the Con Chair.

1998. August 14th, New York, New York. Batya Levin was the Con Chair

1999. June 25th, Dallas, Texas. Thomas Revor was the Con Chair

2000. August 4th, Orlando, Florida. Sara Hutchinson was the Con Chair

2001. June 22nd, Los Angeles, California. Jennifer L. Anderson was the Con Chair.

2002. June 28th, Williamsburg, Virginia. Laurean Leigh was the Con Chair.

2003. June 27th, New York, New York. Greg Bishansky was the Con Chair.

2004. August 6th, Montreal, Quebec. Karine Charlebois was the Con Chair.

2005. July 29th, Las Vegas, Nevada. Chris Rogers was the Con Chair.

2006. June 23rd, Valencia, California. Jennifer L. Anderson was the Con Chair.

2007. June 22nd, Pigeon Forge, Tennessee. Nikki Owens was the Con Chair.

2008. June 27th, Chicago, Illinois. I believe Ellen Stolfa and Susan Leonard are both Co-Chairs.
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The 12th Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"Ask ten different scientists about the environment, population control, genetics, and you'll get ten different answers, but there's one thing every scientist on the planet agrees on. Whether it happens in a hundred years or a thousand years or a million years, eventually our Sun will grow cold and go out. When that happens, it won't just take us. It'll take Marilyn Monroe, and Lao-Tzu, and Einstein, and Morobuto, and Buddy Holly, and Aristophanes... [and] all of this... all of this... was for nothing. Unless we go to the stars." - J. Michael Straczynski
posted @ Wed, Aug 15, 2007 3:15:02 pm EDT from 67.87.175.245

So can someone post the official list of The Gathering dates with month, day(s) and year and location? I'm curious.
TiniTinyTony - [tinitinytony at hotmail dot com]
Content makes poor men rich; discontentment makes rich men poor.
posted @ Wed, Aug 15, 2007 3:06:06 pm EDT from 159.240.11.254

Ha, so I was right! :)
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The 12th Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"Ask ten different scientists about the environment, population control, genetics, and you'll get ten different answers, but there's one thing every scientist on the planet agrees on. Whether it happens in a hundred years or a thousand years or a million years, eventually our Sun will grow cold and go out. When that happens, it won't just take us. It'll take Marilyn Monroe, and Lao-Tzu, and Einstein, and Morobuto, and Buddy Holly, and Aristophanes... [and] all of this... all of this... was for nothing. Unless we go to the stars." - J. Michael Straczynski
posted @ Wed, Aug 15, 2007 2:53:34 pm EDT from 67.87.175.245

CRUD... I meant to say JULY. It was the same weekend as Comic Con that year. (and the year after).
Jennifer "CrzyDemona" Anderson - [<--- pre-register for Gathering 2008 in CHICAGO!]
"Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?" -- Albus Dumbledore
posted @ Wed, Aug 15, 2007 2:50:01 pm EDT from 198.176.189.201

Jen> ::I'd like to say that anyone who confuses Greg W. and Greg B. is on some really serious DRUGS. :P ::

Thanks, I think ;)

Funny, I thought I remembered the 1997 Gathering being in July. Guess I was wrong.
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The 12th Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"Ask ten different scientists about the environment, population control, genetics, and you'll get ten different answers, but there's one thing every scientist on the planet agrees on. Whether it happens in a hundred years or a thousand years or a million years, eventually our Sun will grow cold and go out. When that happens, it won't just take us. It'll take Marilyn Monroe, and Lao-Tzu, and Einstein, and Morobuto, and Buddy Holly, and Aristophanes... [and] all of this... all of this... was for nothing. Unless we go to the stars." - J. Michael Straczynski
posted @ Wed, Aug 15, 2007 2:47:22 pm EDT from 67.87.175.245

I'd like to say that anyone who confuses Greg W. and Greg B. is on some really serious DRUGS. :P

Gathering 2000 was Aug. 4-6. http://www.geocities.com/g2k_orlando/ There's our mirror website since we didn't trust certain web hosts to do anything on time. (it's also around that time I realized that I should NOT do web design... dear gods my eyes!!)

The first Gathering was June 19-21 in New York.
Jennifer "CrzyDemona" Anderson - [<--- pre-register for Gathering 2008 in CHICAGO!]
"Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?" -- Albus Dumbledore
posted @ Wed, Aug 15, 2007 2:45:12 pm EDT from 198.176.189.201

DPH> The 1997 date on that site is wrong. I wasn't at that con, but I remember it being in July.
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The 12th Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"Ask ten different scientists about the environment, population control, genetics, and you'll get ten different answers, but there's one thing every scientist on the planet agrees on. Whether it happens in a hundred years or a thousand years or a million years, eventually our Sun will grow cold and go out. When that happens, it won't just take us. It'll take Marilyn Monroe, and Lao-Tzu, and Einstein, and Morobuto, and Buddy Holly, and Aristophanes... [and] all of this... all of this... was for nothing. Unless we go to the stars." - J. Michael Straczynski
posted @ Wed, Aug 15, 2007 2:09:56 pm EDT from 67.87.175.245

GXB - It took a bit of searching to find the dates for the Gathering 2000. 1st, I tried Ask Greg. No help there. Then, I tried the gathering's websites. They only listed the location not the dates. Finally, I went to the Internet Wayback Machine and crashed the browser twice on the Gathering 2001 website over a Java applet on the main page. Luckily, I found I found the history page.

http://web.archive.org/web/20030207050155/http://gathering.gargoyles-fans.org/history.html - Gives the dates for all the Gatherings through 2002. August 4-6.

Unless the listed dates are wrong, your theory doesn't hold for 1997, it's off by 1 month. Does anybody know another way of looking up the dates for the Gathering?

Funny thing I noticed is the title only said the year, not the dates.
dph_of_rules
Whatever happenned to simplicity?
posted @ Wed, Aug 15, 2007 11:25:03 am EDT from 71.29.69.238

No, nothing happened at 2003, save that I was the Con Chair that year, not that the editor in chief of "Avalon Mists" would tell you that. Well, not entirely true. We found out Lex was gay that year, but that really had nothing to do with me.

Hmm, when was Gathering 2000? I think we're still lacking an event that took place that day.

DPH> SLG takes so long to update their site, I don't even let it bother me anymore. Comic is almost done... lettering is the easiest and fastest part. Just needs to be looked at by Greg and the editor, and then sent to Disney... we'll see it soon enough.

It's #7 that I am worried about, because so far, Hedgecock has had trouble meeting deadlines. #2 was four months late, and #3 was a month late. If he can get #7, #8 and #9 out on time, I'll feel a little more at ease with him on the book... though I'd still greatly prefer the awesome Charlebois/Lostimolo team. Their art wasn't just great, it was beautiful.
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The 12th Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"Ask ten different scientists about the environment, population control, genetics, and you'll get ten different answers, but there's one thing every scientist on the planet agrees on. Whether it happens in a hundred years or a thousand years or a million years, eventually our Sun will grow cold and go out. When that happens, it won't just take us. It'll take Marilyn Monroe, and Lao-Tzu, and Einstein, and Morobuto, and Buddy Holly, and Aristophanes... [and] all of this... all of this... was for nothing. Unless we go to the stars." - J. Michael Straczynski
posted @ Wed, Aug 15, 2007 10:33:56 am EDT from 67.87.175.245

The Comment Room> Let's just see who you really are, Greg B...It's old man Weisman from the SLG Gargoyles Comic!

Greg Weisman> I woulda got away with it, too, if not for you snooping kids!
TiniTinyTony - [tinitinytony at hotmail dot com]
Content makes poor men rich; discontentment makes rich men poor.
posted @ Wed, Aug 15, 2007 8:58:24 am EDT from 159.240.11.254

At least the conspiracy theories about "So-and-so and Greg Weisman are the same person" aren't about me any more. Thank goodness for that.
Todd Jensen
Gargoyles - did for monstrous-looking statues what "Watership Down" did for rabbits!
posted @ Wed, Aug 15, 2007 7:53:26 am EDT from 4.244.213.246

Actually, GB and GW are both sock puppets of little old ME. Mwhahaha! You've all been PUNKED. ;)

Got a little review of the new "Flash Gordon" series on SciFi posted at my Livejournal. Word of warning, it's full of spoilers and sarcasm.

http://patrickat.livejournal.com/273732.html

318 days left until The Gathering 2008 in Chicago, Illinois!
Patrick - [<-- The Gathering 2008]
"A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men." - Willy Wonka
posted @ Wed, Aug 15, 2007 7:02:23 am EDT from 67.38.246.71

dph: What happened at G2003? I know Greg and Greg are usually at all the Gatherings together. Did something particularly unusual happen in '03?
Jurgan - [jurgan6 at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Wed, Aug 15, 2007 2:23:55 am EDT from 69.242.207.70

**thinks about considering the theory that GXB AND GW are the same** Geez, I wonder what the people who attended the gathering 2003 would say about that theory.

Anybody notice the comment about the status of issue #6: Issue 6 is pencilled and colored. Just needs to be lettered and it's ready to go!

Anybody notice that slg hasn't updated its release schedule for August. Wednesday marks halfway through August.

http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?rid=505 - In case anybody has forgotten the schedule for release of the comics. I'm kinda hoping that when slg updates the website for september, we'll see news about bg.
dph_of_rules
Whatever happenned to simplicity?
posted @ Wed, Aug 15, 2007 12:46:16 am EDT from 216.96.21.170

::Reads the comments and rolls around laughing::
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The 12th Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"Ask ten different scientists about the environment, population control, genetics, and you'll get ten different answers, but there's one thing every scientist on the planet agrees on. Whether it happens in a hundred years or a thousand years or a million years, eventually our Sun will grow cold and go out. When that happens, it won't just take us. It'll take Marilyn Monroe, and Lao-Tzu, and Einstein, and Morobuto, and Buddy Holly, and Aristophanes... [and] all of this... all of this... was for nothing. Unless we go to the stars." - J. Michael Straczynski
posted @ Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:40:48 pm EDT from 67.87.175.245

These is not a joke Wingless I think GW/GB are part of a conspiration in wich also form part the aliens/lawyers of these planet! They make us believe they are two different beeings but they are just one! It all started whith Alf/Bush in the 90´.
Demon@
posted @ Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:14:32 pm EDT from 190.17.241.214

Jurgan - Exactly! you got it. ^_^
You do realize I was kidding right?
Wingless
posted @ Tue, Aug 14, 2007 10:08:23 pm EDT from 74.115.187.62

What, and Greg W. hired an actor to make appearances at the cons as Greg B.? Interesting theory...
Jurgan - [jurgan6 at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:47:04 pm EDT from 69.242.207.70

Here's a Theory - maybe Greg B. is actually Greg W. and has been leading us on all this time ^_~
Wingless
posted @ Tue, Aug 14, 2007 9:13:28 pm EDT from 74.115.187.62

Yes, and probably the last since we've run out of past Gathering years...

I wonder what else we can figure out from all these dates Greg has given...
Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age! Between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!" -Macbeth
posted @ Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:02:54 pm EDT from 24.207.163.239

That is pretty cool. Is this the first time the theory has been tested?
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75 at gmail dot com]
"Apparently, stopping my bodyguard from beating up a repressed masturbator just isn't enough to get you into Heaven these days. Go figure." -Doctor Venture
posted @ Tue, Aug 14, 2007 5:56:40 pm EDT from 71.62.204.109

Just saw "This Day in Gargoyles History." My exact words were, "Ha, the son of a bitch was right!" Greg B., please know that I mean that in the nicest way possible. :) Good call.
Jurgan - [jurgan6 at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Tue, Aug 14, 2007 12:41:36 pm EDT from 68.58.170.197

It appears that Greg B.'s theory was true. Good job.
TiniTinyTony - [tinitinytony at hotmail dot com]
Content makes poor men rich; discontentment makes rich men poor.
posted @ Tue, Aug 14, 2007 8:46:31 am EDT from 159.240.11.254

*Reads "This Day in Gargoyles Universe History"...*

Ha! Cool.
Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age! Between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!" -Macbeth
posted @ Tue, Aug 14, 2007 6:21:14 am EDT from 24.207.163.239

LOL, maybe.
Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age! Between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!" -Macbeth
posted @ Mon, Aug 13, 2007 9:40:57 pm EDT from 24.207.163.239

Or maybe it'll be like:

August 14

1885 - Japan's first patent is issued to the inventor of a rust-proof paint.

1998 - Vinnie and Kai paint a metal fence.
TiniTinyTony - [tinitinytony at hotmail dot com]
"What you're passionate about, from a cartoon standpoint, has to do with what age you were when you very first saw it." ~Greg Weisman
posted @ Mon, Aug 13, 2007 8:54:50 pm EDT from 70.15.81.80

Right. And it doesn't have to be Vinnie either, though I suspect it is. But I think it is very likely we are gonna get a 1998 date in the next few days.

Though perhaps Greg will read this and hold the date from us just to get a thrill out of tricking us.
Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age! Between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!" -Macbeth
posted @ Mon, Aug 13, 2007 8:40:14 pm EDT from 24.207.163.239

We can be reasonably certain of getting entries for the next two days in "Today in the Gargoyles Universe", even without the Gathering, since August 14 was the date of Macbeth's defeat of Duncan and August 15 the date of Canmore's defeat of Macbeth (in "City of Stone Part Three" and "City of Stone Part Four", respectively).

Yes, I agree that the gargoyles would start patrolling the city after things start to quiet down again and the New York citizenry noticing that there haven't been any "big gargoyle attacks" since the clock tower and St. Damien's Cathedral. (I certainly didn't think that the road trip was an attempt to flee the city a la the original notion for "Angels in the Night".)

Incidentally, a little creativity demon that I thought I'd share with you about the gargoyles' revelation. After the destruction of the clock tower and the fight in St. Damien's Cathedral, the newspapers in New York print big front-page stories about the events and the gargoyles' involvement in them. Then, after Jason and Robyn Canmore confess that they were the ones who blew up the clock tower, the newspapers print those reports - buried somewhere in the back, and phrased in such a way as to imply, without ever actually stating, that the Canmores' confession is all part of a cover-up.
Todd Jensen
Gargoyles - did for monstrous-looking statues what "Watership Down" did for rabbits!
posted @ Mon, Aug 13, 2007 8:19:04 pm EDT from 4.245.21.56

Tony: I don't think Matt's saying it was for certain. Just that the theory would be tested.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75 at gmail dot com]
Homer: "You're selling what now?" Apu: "I am selling the concept of karmic realignment." Homer: "You can't sell that! Karma can only be portioned out by the cosmos!"
posted @ Mon, Aug 13, 2007 8:05:40 pm EDT from 71.62.204.109

Greg was not fired. It was a lot more complicated than that, but he didn't get fired. He was offered the chance to story-edit the third season (not produce) and the schedule they gave him, along with other crap was so impossible that they hired his replacement before he even made a decision.
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The 12th Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"Ask ten different scientists about the environment, population control, genetics, and you'll get ten different answers, but there's one thing every scientist on the planet agrees on. Whether it happens in a hundred years or a thousand years or a million years, eventually our Sun will grow cold and go out. When that happens, it won't just take us. It'll take Marilyn Monroe, and Lao-Tzu, and Einstein, and Morobuto, and Buddy Holly, and Aristophanes... [and] all of this... all of this... was for nothing. Unless we go to the stars." - J. Michael Straczynski
posted @ Mon, Aug 13, 2007 7:50:33 pm EDT from 67.87.175.245

KingCobra582> Thanks. I was wondering the specific details. I didn't realize he was terminated because I knew he did some work on THE JOURNEY.

Jurgan> Thanks for pointing my towards those more specific details I was wondering about TGC. The Ask Greg FAQ was very informative. Thanks to JEB & Greg B for compiling it.

Matt> So sometime between tomorrow and the 17th, Greg Weisman will reveal something related to Vinnie in 1998? According to the theory, it will be 1998? That's for certain?
TiniTinyTony - [tinitinytony at hotmail dot com]
"What you're passionate about, from a cartoon standpoint, has to do with what age you were when you very first saw it." ~Greg Weisman
posted @ Mon, Aug 13, 2007 7:41:17 pm EDT from 70.15.81.80

Starting tomorrow we get to test a theory Greg B suggested a week or two ago.

At the exact time in the real world that one of the Gatherings was taking place, in the Gargoyles Universe a character whose voice actor was at the corresponding Gathering, had a place in the This Week In Gargoyles History posts Greg makes most days. First off, great job spotting this phenomenon, Greg B. That was quite observant of you.

The latest dates the Gathering was ever held was August 14-17 in 1998. The only guest attending that Gathering was Greg Weisman himself, so I think we can consider it a successful test if in the next three days we find out something happened to someone (probably Vinnie since Greg seems to relate to him so much) on that date in 1998. That is pretty fun... and it leads to some interesting speculation.

Take this for instance. Greg wrote:

"2001. June 22nd, A crisis brings together representatives of four clans."

Now on June 22nd, 2001 the Gathering was in Los Angeles, and I'm willing to bet that we can deduce which four clans given the voice actors who were guests.
The only Voice Actor guests present at that Gathering were:
Thom Adcox, voice of Lexington (and Brentwood)
Jeff Bennett, voice of Brooklyn (and Malibu)
Bill Fagerbakke, voice of Broadway (and Hollywood)
Neil Dickson, voice of Griff
Elisa Gabrielli, voice of Obsidiana

I'd put money on the four clans being the Manhattan Clan, Labyrinth Clan, London Clan and Mayan Clan.
Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age! Between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!" -Macbeth
posted @ Mon, Aug 13, 2007 6:23:43 pm EDT from 24.207.163.239

TTT: Check the FAQ, under "The Goliath Chronicles."

Todd: I'm not sure I buy into your theory. Keep in mind that fighting "supervillains" like Thailog, Demona, Xanatos, et. al. may be what we see the most, but most days they spend more time doing their nightly city patrolling. Maybe they're laying low- after all, it's only been about three days since Hunter's Moon. However, they won't do it forever, and just because we only see them in special circumstances doesn't mean they're hiding in the castle. For now, I assume that, by the time of the "road trip," they're back into their normal routine.
Jurgan - [jurgan6 at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Mon, Aug 13, 2007 4:25:02 pm EDT from 68.58.170.197

Tony> "Why wasn't Greg Weismen allowed to continue his story in cartoon form back in 1996? Who was the brain child behind TGC?"

Disney terminated Greg's employment after season 2. The only TGC episode he did was 'The Journey'. As a result, the rest of season 3 was god awful and we all suffered from it.

As for the 'brain child behind TGC', I can's currently remember thier names, nor do I really care to.

I'm surprised you didn't alreay know this. You seem to be fan enough.
KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra_582 at hotmail dot com]
'Thirty-Six. Nine.' - Issue #5
posted @ Mon, Aug 13, 2007 4:16:34 pm EDT from 69.95.31.94

Why wasn't Greg Weismen allowed to continue his story in cartoon form back in 1996? Who was the brain child behind TGC?
TiniTinyTony - [tinitinytony at hotmail dot com]
Content makes poor men rich; discontentment makes rich men poor.
posted @ Mon, Aug 13, 2007 2:47:46 pm EDT from 159.240.11.254

TODD> I don't think a few of the gargoyles are getting out of Manhattan out of fear of the Quarrymen. From what I gathered from the solicit, they're doing Macbeth a favor.

Goliath and Elisa are obviously staying home, repairing their relationship, as the solicit said. And we know Coldsteel will be in NYC, and Thailog is breaking in new assistants... so, G&E might have their hands full.

Nevertheless, I am sure the gargoyles will honor their commitment to protect Manhattan. Quarrymen or no Quarrymen.
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The 12th Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"Ask ten different scientists about the environment, population control, genetics, and you'll get ten different answers, but there's one thing every scientist on the planet agrees on. Whether it happens in a hundred years or a thousand years or a million years, eventually our Sun will grow cold and go out. When that happens, it won't just take us. It'll take Marilyn Monroe, and Lao-Tzu, and Einstein, and Morobuto, and Buddy Holly, and Aristophanes... [and] all of this... all of this... was for nothing. Unless we go to the stars." - J. Michael Straczynski
posted @ Mon, Aug 13, 2007 1:56:00 pm EDT from 67.87.175.245

A thought about the comic.

* SPOILERS FOLLOW *

One thing that I'd often been curious about was how, if Greg Weisman had done the whole third season of "Gargoyles", he would have handled one particular aspect of the situation after "Hunter's Moon". The gargoyles have been exposed to the public, most of whom are not happy about it, and Castaway's set up an armed anti-gargoyle organization that's patrolling the city, looking for them. Under those circumstances, it's obviously not safe for them to leave the castle and go patrolling as they had once done. But at the same time, they're obviously going to have to have adventures, in order to have stories about them, and the logical way to bring that about is to have them out in the city rather than cooped up inside. So I was curious to see how Greg would solve that issue.

We've already seen now how he solved it in #3 - #5, and in an ingenious (if maybe obvious) fashion: he brought the adventure to the castle, in the form of Thailog showing up to collect Delilah (and, although he doesn't reveal this until the last couple of pages, some fresh gargoyle DNA for Sevarius's projects). Obviously, it's not a solution that can be used too often (it'd be far-fetched to have somebody breaking into the castle in every single story), but still a good one.

We know that the next story, #6, is a flashback to the Avalon World Tour, so that solves that problem. And the description of #7 indicates that the gargoyles' next adventure may be taking place outside the Manhattan area, in light of the "road trip". Since the evidence is that the story begun in that will continue to #9, that answers the question (I assume) for those three issues.

We don't have any certain clues as yet as to what #10 - #12 will contain for a story, though I like the notion that it deals with Brooklyn's Timedancer adventures (the basic ones). That would answer the question again, with the adventure taking place in 10th century Scotland with Brooklyn meeting Mary and Finella, courtesy of the Phoenix Gate.

So it seems as if Greg's come up with some good answers to that potential problem. It certainly gives me one more reason to look forward to the upcoming issues, and see how he does it.

*SPOILERS END *
Todd Jensen
Gargoyles - did for monstrous-looking statues what "Watership Down" did for rabbits!
posted @ Mon, Aug 13, 2007 1:32:15 pm EDT from 4.245.18.119

I thought "The Gathering" lasted four days. :)

I think Avalon is the home of the Third Race, so the "gathering" was calling everyone back home. They were banished from the island and forced to live with humans. So they have been gathered back home to live as they did 1000 years ago. What's on Oberon's agenda is unknown but I can't wait to see more of him and his race (in the comics).
TiniTinyTony - [tinitinytony at hotmail dot com]
Content makes poor men rich; discontentment makes rich men poor.
posted @ Mon, Aug 13, 2007 11:33:24 am EDT from 159.240.11.254

Phil> Shari is Arabic. Morgana le Fay is, obviously, not... nor do I see her taking an Arabic form. Shari may be someone or something else, but I don't think she's Morgana. As for how she's still young... rejuvenation drugs like Quincy.
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The 12th Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"Ask ten different scientists about the environment, population control, genetics, and you'll get ten different answers, but there's one thing every scientist on the planet agrees on. Whether it happens in a hundred years or a thousand years or a million years, eventually our Sun will grow cold and go out. When that happens, it won't just take us. It'll take Marilyn Monroe, and Lao-Tzu, and Einstein, and Morobuto, and Buddy Holly, and Aristophanes... [and] all of this... all of this... was for nothing. Unless we go to the stars." - J. Michael Straczynski
posted @ Mon, Aug 13, 2007 10:37:09 am EDT from 67.87.175.245

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