Yes, but my essential point is that I think Demona hates humans too much to want to eat them.
Todd Jensen
Gargoyles - did for monstrous-looking statues what "Watership Down" did for rabbits!
posted @ Sun, Mar 2, 2008 10:56:12 pm EST from 4.245.18.187

Todd> Ever seen "Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom". People eat all sorts of crazy things.
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The Twelfth Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"Is that not the perfect visual image of life and death? A fish flapping on the carpet, and a fish not flapping on the carpet." - Bill AKA Snake Charmer
posted @ Sun, Mar 2, 2008 9:29:16 pm EST from 75.56.245.4

Maybe, but keep in mind that Demona isn't human. She may not share some human tendencies and revulsions. And besides, there are many humans in the world who eat cockroaches and other bugs without revulsion. Demona isn't American anymore than she is human.
Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age! Between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!!!" - Macbeth, "City of Stone"
posted @ Sun, Mar 2, 2008 9:23:19 pm EST from 24.207.160.51

MATT - No, I think that Demona would view eating humans with as much disgust and revulsion as most of us would regard eating cockroaches. She'd probably say "I'm not letting one of those creatures get anywhere near my mouth."
Todd Jensen
Gargoyles - did for monstrous-looking statues what "Watership Down" did for rabbits!
posted @ Sun, Mar 2, 2008 9:16:56 pm EST from 4.244.214.191

Do you think Demona has ever eaten human meat?

Trying to get back on Gargoyles, lol.
Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age! Between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!!!" - Macbeth, "City of Stone"
posted @ Sun, Mar 2, 2008 9:07:40 pm EST from 24.207.160.51

Antiyonder >

"Any humans or just the ones that were kept in a particular shape?"


Not sure, actually. But, I saw it on the discovery channel on a show that was about people being stranded on some huge mountain or something, and the people who were still alive ate their dead comrades. Anyway, the show mentioned that human meat was actually exceptionally good for you, even though it was difficult to eat (since the idea of eating fellow humans grosses people out).

I would assume that a healthy human in good shape, who didn't consume alcohol, nicotine, and all kinds of other chemicals, would certainly be better. But I don't know.
Rebel
posted @ Sun, Mar 2, 2008 8:26:41 pm EST from 76.165.38.203

Food>

I'm a plebe when it comes to food. There just aren't any high class restaurants in my town. I don't understand what all the fuss is about, especially comparing eating fast food with, er, Soylent Green. When it comes to taste, you often can't even lead the horse to water, much less make them drink. They've got to do it for themselves.
Incisivis - [incisivis at hotmail dot com]
"No live organism can continue for long to exist sanely under conditions of absolute reality; even larks and katydids are supposed, by some, to dream" -- Shirley Jackson
posted @ Sun, Mar 2, 2008 8:21:10 pm EST from 216.36.154.204

ew. human meat would not be good. In general, omnivores aren't that great to eat. And all the weird chemicals that humans ingest that would get into the meat as well. Ew.

Yes I know, some pretty strange chemicals go into bovine antibiotics, but no one's giving alcohol, nicotine, or other carcinogens to my pork, beef, and poultry.

On second thought, maybe a 'straight edge' vegetarian may not be so bad, but still....

Here! Here! to 4 star Italian and Sushi!
chris
why do we build castles in the sky?
posted @ Sun, Mar 2, 2008 8:11:56 pm EST from 24.93.168.122

Rebel> I've heard that human meat is actually very nutritious.

Any humans or just the ones that were kept in a particular shape?
Antiyonder
posted @ Sun, Mar 2, 2008 8:04:59 pm EST from 74.61.186.169

Soylent Green>

I've never seen the movie, so I don't know exactly what goes into producing soylent green. All I know is that

*~*spoiler*~*

it's made of people.

*~*spoiler*~*

But, that still leaves a lot of questions unanswered. Are the people murdered and then made into soylent green, or are people who die of natural causes and old age made into soylent green?

Honestly, I wouldn't have much of a problem eating food made of humans. But ONLY if it wasn't a situation where people were murdered, and then processed into food. I've heard that human meat is actually very nutritious.
Rebel
posted @ Sun, Mar 2, 2008 8:02:31 pm EST from 76.165.38.203

GregB> Understood, but a little fast food here and there doesn't hurt. I certainly don't make a habit out of them.
Antiyonder
posted @ Sun, Mar 2, 2008 7:44:04 pm EST from 74.61.186.169

Nowhere was I "starting an argument." Just think of me as one of those older gentlemen in the balcony. :P

117 days left until The Gathering 2008 in Chicago, Illinois!
Patrick - [<-- The Gathering 2008]
Waldorf: "Just when you think this show is terrible, something wonderful happens." / Statler: "What?" / Waldorf: "It ends!"
posted @ Sun, Mar 2, 2008 7:23:30 pm EST from 99.161.81.237

Antiyonder> It's good to have taste and be discriminating, you know.

Pizza Hut is toxic. So are most fast food joints.

Of course, if I had my choice, I'd dine in four star Italian and Sushi restaurants every night.
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The Twelfth Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"Is that not the perfect visual image of life and death? A fish flapping on the carpet, and a fish not flapping on the carpet." - Bill AKA Snake Charmer
posted @ Sun, Mar 2, 2008 7:16:04 pm EST from 75.56.245.4

Matt> That doesn't mean I'll eat just anything. As long as it's both edible (proven not to be hazardous) and good tasting, I'll eat it.

My point (to Patrick, not you) is that a person's choice of food is not really worth starting an arguement over.
Antiyonder
posted @ Sun, Mar 2, 2008 7:10:52 pm EST from 74.61.186.169

Antiyonder> If Soylent Green tastes good would you eat that?

I'm not judging you, just curious. Hell, I'd have to think a while before answering my own question.
Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age! Between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!!!" - Macbeth, "City of Stone"
posted @ Sun, Mar 2, 2008 6:27:27 pm EST from 24.207.160.51

Todd> Too bad. If you decide you can go later on, feel free to tell me.

Just in case I don't have any luck. Is anyone passing through St Louis on their way to Chicago? I could drive myself, but carpooling seems more fun and ecologically and economically friendly.
Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age! Between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!!!" - Macbeth, "City of Stone"
posted @ Sun, Mar 2, 2008 6:26:09 pm EST from 24.207.160.51

HoE> No I do not believe Taco Bell food to be true Mexican food, but I don't base my likes a food on which country it's made it but whether I can eat it without throwing up. Whether it's made in the US, Japan, Mexico, Mars or Krypton, if it tastes good who cares who made it.

Point is, that Patrick doesn't need to resort to putting down someone because they like Pizza Hut.
Antiyonder
posted @ Sun, Mar 2, 2008 6:24:30 pm EST from 74.61.186.169

MATT - I'm afraid not, but thanks for asking.
Todd Jensen
Gargoyles - did for monstrous-looking statues what "Watership Down" did for rabbits!
posted @ Sun, Mar 2, 2008 6:10:22 pm EST from 4.244.214.191

Steampunk: A genre that's always been at the fringes of my perception, it seems to be gaining a lot of momentum as a subculture and cropping up everywhere these days. Fine by me, it's a fun aesthetic. Think Jules Verne, H.G. Wells, airships, laboratories, steam contraptions, wheels and cogs, mechanical devices, and lots of copper, brass, iron, and glass. For a good introduction, try Brass Goggles, the definitive steampunk blog: http://ccgi.firewyre.force9.co.uk/brassgoggles/
bluewyvern
"Attend the petty jealousies and angers that prey upon your heart."
posted @ Sun, Mar 2, 2008 5:53:17 pm EST from 69.112.108.43

Todd> Are you planning on attending the Gathering in Chicago this summer?
Is there any other fans near or in St. Louis going?
I'm considering all of us that I can find getting together and renting a car/van. That'd be a cheap trip if there were even only a few of us.
Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age! Between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!!!" - Macbeth, "City of Stone"
posted @ Sun, Mar 2, 2008 3:30:07 pm EST from 24.207.160.51

Well, yes. Hence the word "imagine" before "steam-powered robots". Basically, it's the aesthetic and theory of Victorian era steam technology applied to concepts and inventions that were never made in the age of steam power. So you have robots and jetpacks and other fantasy tech that look like they're powered by steam and designed around the nineteenth century. I'm not entirely sure how this is going to be applied to MGC; maybe some Victorian looking gargoyles using steam-powered gadgets. But we'll see.
Demonskrye - [demonskrye(at)gmail(dot)com]
posted @ Sun, Mar 2, 2008 3:24:30 pm EST from 209.6.248.33

'cept there weren't any 'Victorian Era Robots.' And never seen any of the Final Fantasies...

Oh well, it is of little importance XD

*nabs a cookie and gets back to grading papers*
chris
why do we build castles in the sky?
posted @ Sun, Mar 2, 2008 3:03:53 pm EST from 66.211.201.24

Hey I was just wondering who is everyone's favorite character and why? Also who is your favorite couple?
My favorite character is Elisa because she can kick bad guy ass lol. And of course my favorite couple is Goliath and Elisa.
DarkAngel
posted @ Sun, Mar 2, 2008 3:01:56 pm EST from 71.49.238.208

Imagine steam-powered robots in Victorian England, or take a look at Final Fantasy IX and its Airships. That's Steampunk.
Anonymous
posted @ Sun, Mar 2, 2008 1:40:59 pm EST from 87.123.71.188

I don't really know *what* Steampunk is, and I tried researching it and became even more confused, but I'm looking forward to the month following that- Gargoyles pre-history. I foresee alot of Brooklyn Timedancing artwork.
chris
why do we build castles in the sky?
posted @ Sun, Mar 2, 2008 12:26:57 pm EST from 66.211.201.24

Harvestor: And if it's authentic Mexican, odds are it'll be a corn tortilla rather than a flour one . . .

Coincidentally, my family and I just went to one of Phoenix's finer pizza shops, run by a family from New York -- I'm still stuffed.

But for the first time in the CR, there's been a topic that's making me wish we had more than a Cookie Table :P
Phoenician
"The Suspense is Terrible . . . I Hope it Lasts" -- Willy Wonka
posted @ Sun, Mar 2, 2008 2:57:32 am EST from 70.162.221.121

Antiyonder: So, DO you believe Taco Bell serves up authentic Mexican food?

Though, to be honest, most sit-down Mexican restaurants don't serve authentic Mexican, either. If you wanted to be truly authentic, you'd serve anything that can fit between a folded tortilla, up to and including cow eyeballs. ( ;
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75 at gmail dot com]
"Here's the everlasting rub, neither am I good nor bad. I'd give up my halo for a horn, and a horn for the hat I once had." -Ian Anderson
posted @ Sat, Mar 1, 2008 11:19:37 pm EST from 76.100.245.148

*peeks in* Hey gang, that time again! MGC has updated and voting is running through the 15th on the Cartoon Parodies topic, which got a lot of AWESOME entries. ^_^ We also started a new topic, Steampunk Gargoyles which will hopefully be as much fun as I think it will. *L*
So drop on by check out the gargoyle artwork and vote, or if you are artistically inclined, get started on the new topic.
Thanks! ^_^
kess - [< Monthly Gargoyles Art Contest!]
posted @ Sat, Mar 1, 2008 11:04:31 pm EST from 66.227.169.218

Patrick> I think Pizza Hut is good pizza. I do not, however, think it's *great* pizza. It's just the best I can do most of the time. Most of the places that would serve better stuff are far away and/or more expensive than I can afford on a normal basis.

And Taco Bell does bad things to my stomach. >..<
Kerry (Kth) Boyd - [Kth_dragon at hotmail dot com]
posted @ Sat, Mar 1, 2008 3:57:14 pm EST from 24.98.74.35

Patrick> If you believe that Pizza Hut is good pizza, you probably believe that Taco Bell serves up authentic Mexican cuisine.

You know it's possible to disagree with someone in a civil non cynical manner. While I can control what I do and don't eat, I can't control my tastebuds you know.
Antiyonder
posted @ Sat, Mar 1, 2008 2:39:34 pm EST from 72.87.13.156

Bluewyvern >

"I enjoy the odd Pizza Hut pizza, but I don't think of it as the same thing as getting a pizza. It's an artificial food, a guilty, yummy-in-small-doses splurge of fat, sugar, salt, and zingy chemical flavorings, but it's not pizza. It's like the difference between, oh, I don't know, tortilla chips and Doritos, or a slice of cake and a Twinkie. Sometimes you want a Twinkie.

Plus I love the breadsticks."


Great way to put it. I was going to say something like this myself, but you pretty much hit the nail on the head. I agree completely.
Rebel
posted @ Sat, Mar 1, 2008 12:59:55 pm EST from 24.227.200.138

I've come to the conclusion that whenever a pizza shop has the word 'pizza' prominently in their name, then their pizza typically sucks. Everything else they have is good, but pizza bad. Same goes for any other type of food. Here in my hometown, we have a Mr. Pizza- whose pizza stinks, but subs are great- and a Mr. Sub, whose subs stink, put pizza's great. Same goes for the Hut.

Now I'm hungry :(
chris
why do we build castles in the sky?
posted @ Sat, Mar 1, 2008 10:17:57 am EST from 66.211.201.24

I enjoy the odd Pizza Hut pizza, but I don't think of it as the same thing as getting a pizza. It's an artificial food, a guilty, yummy-in-small-doses splurge of fat, sugar, salt, and zingy chemical flavorings, but it's not pizza. It's like the difference between, oh, I don't know, tortilla chips and Doritos, or a slice of cake and a Twinkie. Sometimes you want a Twinkie.

Plus I love the breadsticks.
bluewyvern
"Attend the petty jealousies and angers that prey upon your heart."
posted @ Sat, Mar 1, 2008 10:16:43 am EST from 69.112.108.43

If you believe that Pizza Hut is good pizza, you probably believe that Taco Bell serves up authentic Mexican cuisine.

118 days left until The Gathering 2008 in Chicago, Illinois!
Patrick - [<-- The Gathering 2008]
"A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men." - Willy Wonka
posted @ Sat, Mar 1, 2008 8:03:29 am EST from 99.161.81.237

King Cobra> No self respecting New Yorker eats at Pizza Hut. That's a rule.

At the G2003 Gathering, a couple of attendees ordered from Dominos, and I was thinking "Why, you're in New York, go to or order from a pizzeria. Have some real pizza. None of this chain crap."

Yeah, people from New York and Chicago tend to be snobs about pizza, but we're just spoiled.
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The Twelfth Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"Is that not the perfect visual image of life and death? A fish flapping on the carpet, and a fish not flapping on the carpet." - Bill AKA Snake Charmer
posted @ Sat, Mar 1, 2008 1:52:21 am EST from 75.56.245.4

Nevermind, nice to know that KingCobra is with me on the PH front, though I prefer hand tossed crusts.
Antiyonder
posted @ Sat, Mar 1, 2008 1:50:43 am EST from 72.87.13.156

Granted, they are my favorite brand, am I the only one here who enjoys Domino and Pizza Hut? And I thought I was a misfit before.
Antiyonder
posted @ Sat, Mar 1, 2008 1:44:43 am EST from 72.87.13.156

Rebel> "Also, has anyone been to Giordano's in Chicago? I had that once, and it was awesome."

I haven't, but my co worker keeps ranting about how great it is.
KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra_582 at hotmail dot com]
Grr. Arg.
posted @ Fri, Feb 29, 2008 11:01:32 pm EST from 75.60.247.145

I wore my Gargoyles shirt today, and I may or may not have gotten a stranger in one of my classes to develop interest in the comics. So... Yeah. :)

*off to the Vagina Monologues*
Samuel - [AnglOfHellO at AOL dot com]
Noodles, anyone?
posted @ Fri, Feb 29, 2008 7:29:37 pm EST from 68.34.84.220

greg b> that wikiality is hilarious- i just wasted a half hour reading everything i could and busting out laughing. thank you for making my day
chris
why do we build castles in the sky?
posted @ Fri, Feb 29, 2008 4:25:12 pm EST from 66.211.201.24

I'm in Northeast Louisiana, and most of the pizza places around here are huge national chains...Domino's, Pizza Hut, etc.

However, there is one bright light in the darkness. We have a small chain that started here in Monroe, called Johnny's. It's good stuff. Probably not on par with Chicago or New York pizza, but definitely palatable.

Also, has anyone been to Giordano's in Chicago? I had that once, and it was awesome.

Also, I agree with someone's earlier comment about cheese pizza. I'll eat it if it's there, but toppings make it so much better. I have three favorites:

1. Pepperoni
2. Pepperoni and mushroom
3. EVERYTHING on it (okay, maybe a FEW things left off, but almost everything).
Rebel
posted @ Fri, Feb 29, 2008 3:02:27 pm EST from 24.227.200.138

Pizza> There aren't many gourmet pizza places in my part of Alabama. For regular pizzas, I tend to go with Papa John's over Pizza Hut. But if I want a good pizza, I go to Mellow Mushroom.

T-shirt> The design is pretty basic, but I like that we have one so I'm going to get one. I hope the HT at home has it in small or medium.
Asatira
posted @ Fri, Feb 29, 2008 11:42:37 am EST from 131.204.97.65

ANAHEIM PIZZA> Greg B> If you are in Anaheim, There is a pizza house at the corner of Katella and Harbor Boulevard (Across the street from the 7-11, down from Disneyland) that serves the BEST pizza. Not As Good as Roylal or Funky pickle pizza's here in Edmonton, but stil really, really good.
Battle Beast - [Canada]
That is all I will say.
posted @ Fri, Feb 29, 2008 11:29:34 am EST from 75.156.180.163

In fairness, most of the people here don't need the mailing list to get information about new issue releases, but I'm still very glad to have it for people who don't, even if it's just two or three people. I was going to include news about the T-shirt in the e-mail for the next issue release since, with luck, that won't be very far off.

Incidentally, are the Gathering staff planning to set up one of those affiliate deals for the T-shirts? If so, I'll wait and order through that.
Ed
"Just keep your mouth talking, and eventually it will come out with something pretty good." -- Karl Pilkington
posted @ Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:34:38 am EST from 213.187.39.61

One more thing: Contacting Guandalug la'Fay is a *very* **high** ***priority*** for Ed Reynolds and I.
dph_of_rules
Whatever happenned to simplicity?
posted @ Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:29:01 am EST from 98.20.176.131

Todd - That's why Ed started the mailing list that he did. To help people keep up with new issues. Right now, the group has a measily 6 members. If you subtract off Ed and I, that leaves 4 other people. I'll also have to talk to Ed about advertising other gargoyles merchandise that randomly shows up.

Also, don't forget that if Bad Guys gets 6 issues, we'll probably see a trade publication of those 6 issues released. Also, if Greg Weisman gets to issue #12, then it's probably a safe bet that we will be another compiled issue.

I have a question for those of you who know much more about comics & their publishing: Is it possible/probable by now that bad guys issue #2 has made it to Disney's office for approval?
dph_of_rules
Whatever happenned to simplicity?
posted @ Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:25:33 am EST from 98.20.176.131

Todd> I think that could be part of our strategy, but spreading the word is still important too. Buying the shirt is a good way to both let Disney know that there's still money to be made on "Gargoyles" and help start conversations about the DVD and comic without actually having to say anything. And while we do want to try to win back any comic readers who might have believed the book was cancelled or just become frustrated by the irregular schedule, we can't assume that every dropped sale is due to that. People could just as easily have said "Well, I gave it a couple of issues and it just isn't wowing me" or "I guess you have to have seen the whole show to really get what's going on" or some other reason. So yes, any kind of spreading the word is going to help.
Demonskrye - [demonskrye(at)gmail(dot)com]
posted @ Fri, Feb 29, 2008 9:12:19 am EST from 209.6.248.33

I think our main goal should be, not so much buying the t-shirts (though that wouldn't hurt), as persuading people who've bought issues already not to give up on the comic because of the irregular schedule. The specific mention of "dropping sales" suggests that that's the big problem: not so much "people don't know about the comic" as "they do, but they've stopped buying it because they're fed up with it not coming out on time".
Todd Jensen
Gargoyles - did for monstrous-looking statues what "Watership Down" did for rabbits!
posted @ Fri, Feb 29, 2008 8:40:36 am EST from 4.244.215.34

Demonskrye> I believe Greg said thay we would get all 12 issues of Clan Building, and 6 issues of Bad Guys fa sho. But he wasn't confident in anything after that. Let's hope that changes with t-shirt sales and what not.
(The Gargoyles Pulse - updated Mondays)
Anthony Tini
posted @ Fri, Feb 29, 2008 8:14:13 am EST from 70.15.84.29

1) Library Pizza - Jessup, PA
2) Pappas Pizza - Scranton, PA

Check 'em out, you won't be disappointed. Plus if you're in PA, you may want to check out Old Forge pizza in Old Forge, PA.
(The Gargoyles Pulse - updated Mondays)
Anthony Tini
posted @ Fri, Feb 29, 2008 8:11:31 am EST from 70.15.84.29

Timedancing> People may get that the Phoenix Gate travels through time. They may even get that that's all it does, as opposed to a more all-purpose magical artifact. But the show took between two and three episodes to full explain how time travel works in the Gargoyles universe, and that may not come across in the comic if there's a lot of other material to cover (unless issue #9 is nothing but a full explanation of Goliath's history with the Gate and all that really happens is Brooklyn touching it). I just want new readers to have a reasonable shot at understanding that the Brooklyn that comes back is an older Brooklyn, not a future Brooklyn, an alternate timeline Brooklyn, or a Brooklyn who went back in time and changed history.

A Concern> Not to start a panic, but is anyone else concerned about whether the Disney license might expire before we even get twelves issues of the comic? I'm guessing the license goes up for renewal on a certain date, not at a certain number of issues. Anyone know when the license is up? I know Dan Vado previously said he planned to renew the "Gargoyles" license, but if the book isn't making enough money at this point, that could change.

Thoughts?
Demonskrye - [demonskrye(at)gmail(dot)com]
posted @ Fri, Feb 29, 2008 8:07:48 am EST from 209.6.248.33

Ok, all this talk of pizza makes me ask one profound question: What's the deal with people preferring cheese pizzas? A pizza whose only topping is cheese just isn't a real pizza to me.
dph_of_rules
Whatever happenned to simplicity?
posted @ Fri, Feb 29, 2008 7:33:37 am EST from 98.20.176.131

Pizza Hut is usually a last resort for me. Maybe if I were lost in the wilderness and starving. MAYBE.

The thing is, I lived in New England for 20+ years, so I agree with Greg. When my father was living in Manhattan after my parents separated, he used to take me and my brothers to this place by the 59th Street Bridge called Ray's. Anyone who's grown up eating pizza like that was spoiled. ( ;
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75 at gmail dot com]
"Hate makes you impotent, love makes you crazy. Somewhere in the middle, you can survive." -Larry Donner ("Throw Momma From the Train")
posted @ Fri, Feb 29, 2008 6:47:39 am EST from 71.62.198.251

I may be from Phoenix, but I know of two pizza shops in particular that are just amazing -- maybe its because both families are actually from New York and are Italian. ;)

Unfortunately, I haven't found a decent shop while attending school in LA, brand-named restrauraunts aside . . . .
Phoenician
"The Suspense is Terrible . . . I Hope it Lasts" -- Willy Wonka
posted @ Fri, Feb 29, 2008 4:39:20 am EST from 157.242.211.254

I may be from Phoenix, but I know of two pizza shops in particular that are just amazing -- maybe its because both families are actually from New York and are Italian. ;)

Unfortunately, I haven't found a decent shop while attending school in LA, brand-named restrauraunts aside . . . .
Phoenician
"The Suspense is Terrible . . . I Hope it Lasts" -- Willy Wonka
posted @ Fri, Feb 29, 2008 4:39:19 am EST from 157.242.211.254

Greg B.> "I've been in Los Angeles for six months now, and good pizza does not seem to exist out here, or if it does, I have not found it."

Have you tried Pizza Hut?

Their stuffed crust is pretty damn good, but that's just my own taste. You would probably think differently.

Service, on the other hand, can be pretty lousy. For the most part.
KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra_582 at hotmail dot com]
Grr. Arg.
posted @ Fri, Feb 29, 2008 4:06:11 am EST from 75.60.247.145

37 more days (31 in March, 1st 6 in April) left until Greg Weisman has supplied us with a full year of dates from the Gargoyles time line. Wow!!
dph_of_rules
Whatever happenned to simplicity?
posted @ Fri, Feb 29, 2008 2:30:24 am EST from 98.20.176.131

Matt> I agree, St. Louis pizza sucks! I've lived in St. Charles almost 9 years and I still can't find anywhere around here that makes a decent pizza. I used to live near Chigaco, (in a small town in Indiana) That was some good pizza. My favorite by far is Pizza King (a chain of resturants found only in Indiana) they make the bast pizza
Chip - [Dragonhunter723 at yahoo dot com]
Can a mortal ask questions which God finds unanswerable? Quite easily, I should think. All nonsense questions are unanswerable. -- C.S. Lewis
posted @ Fri, Feb 29, 2008 12:28:49 am EST from 72.245.94.128

Totally off topic but my girl's been working on her crocheted garg dolls and the lex ones are turning out amazing!!! =D We've gotten a new color for them. Looks amazing.
Ethan Gilchrist - [ethangilchrist at gmail dot com]
"I wouldn't wanna live in a world without grudges." --Jack Terricloth of the World Inferno Friendship Society
posted @ Thu, Feb 28, 2008 10:53:37 pm EST from 68.215.174.135

HoE> In my experience, the pizza outside of NY, Jersey and parts of Connecticut are nothing to write home about.

I've been in Los Angeles for six months now, and good pizza does not seem to exist out here, or if it does, I have not found it.

But I look forward to Chicago.
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The Twelfth Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"Is that not the perfect visual image of life and death? A fish flapping on the carpet, and a fish not flapping on the carpet." - Bill AKA Snake Charmer
posted @ Thu, Feb 28, 2008 10:28:26 pm EST from 75.56.245.4

I haven't been to Chicago in ten years, and every pizza I've tried in this area has tasted like ass with a crust. Looking forward to this.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75 at gmail dot com]
"Hate makes you impotent, love makes you crazy. Somewhere in the middle, you can survive." -Larry Donner ("Throw Momma From the Train")
posted @ Thu, Feb 28, 2008 9:41:08 pm EST from 71.62.198.251

Gathering '08> I'd love to go, even pre-registered last year, but I can't. I did the math and I just can't afford it. I'm graduating this year, and I need build up my experience and reserves. Which is rather funny because I'm actually contributing to the Anthology this year (artist), and hope to redo my contribution to "The Last" with better art. And I so wanted to enter the Masquerade this year. Maybe next year.
Asatira
posted @ Thu, Feb 28, 2008 9:22:47 pm EST from 75.143.83.91

Greg B. : Wait, didn't I hear you say a few months back that you wouldn't be making it to this years Gathering? Glad to hear that's changed. And trust me on this, the Chicago pizza will not disappoint.
Spen
"A friend in need is a pest."
posted @ Thu, Feb 28, 2008 9:00:02 pm EST from 66.43.205.110

Chicago Style pizza rules. Sure beats St. Louis style pizza... if you can even call it pizza.
Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age! Between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!!!" - Macbeth, "City of Stone"
posted @ Thu, Feb 28, 2008 8:54:56 pm EST from 24.207.160.51

So, who's gearing up for the Gathering? It's creeping up on us, and I expect it to be a great one. The guest list is great.

Let's see, we have:
Greg Weisman
Thom Adcox
Keith David, who, if you don't know will be performing a concert, because damn, the man can sing.
The lovely and talented, Karine Charlebois, who's beautiful art graced #5 of "Gargoyles" and "Gargoyles: Bad Guys" will also be present.
Finally, Josh Silver, an accomplished Hollywood producer will also be present.

I think it's going to be a great con. Me, I'm looking forward to trying Chicago pizza. ;)

Picked up my shirt today at Hot Topic at the Burbank mall. Really cool.

Demonskrye> I think the new readers will be very clear on what the Phoenix Gate does as soon as it transports Brooklyn back in time, plus Greg will provide exposition, just like he's done so far. So, yeah, I'm betting on Brooklyn's perspective. His return with Katana and the rest makes a better ending than anything else I could think of.

Politics> Hey, if you want on topic politics, I give you this: http://wikiality.com/Demona
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The Twelfth Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"Is that not the perfect visual image of life and death? A fish flapping on the carpet, and a fish not flapping on the carpet." - Bill AKA Snake Charmer
posted @ Thu, Feb 28, 2008 7:56:06 pm EST from 75.56.245.4

T-Shirt> I don't particularly love the design for this shirt, but I'll still be picking one up ASAP.
Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age! Between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!!!" - Macbeth, "City of Stone"
posted @ Thu, Feb 28, 2008 7:27:10 pm EST from 24.207.160.51

Aldrius> It wouldn't fill 24 pages from the clan's perspective... Brooklyn was only gone for 5 of their minutes. ;P
Kerry (Kth) Boyd - [Kth_dragon at hotmail dot com]
posted @ Thu, Feb 28, 2008 7:07:02 pm EST from 24.98.74.35

You know, I've actually been thinking about it, and to go with the whole 'clan-building' theme, I have this sort of well... theory. I've sort of mentioned it before, but I wanted to streamline it. And I dunno if you guys are going to agree with me or disagree with me, but it'll be interesting to see what you all think.

Okay, so let's break this down into four arcs. Arc 1 is "The Journey" 2 is "Invitation Only" arc 3 is "The Rock" arc 4 is "Timedancer". Now let's look at the relationships that are most present in each arc. "The Journey" sees the genesis of Broadway and Angela's love. "Invitation Only" sees the reconciliation of Elisa and Goliath. Then "The Rock" could potentially introduce us to Lexington's mate. Whoever that may be. While "Timedancer" sees the onset of Katana and Brooklyn by the end.

So yeah, in truth each chapter seems to really be focused on either kindling the relationship between two existing characters (and thus setting up little broadways, Angelas and metaphorical little goliaths and elisas) down the road, or adding mates to already existing members of the clan... so yeah.

That's my thinking anyway.

As for the flow of the last three issues, I'm still kinda thinking we'll see the thing from Brooklyn's perspective. Simply because the manhattan's clan perspective would be kinda dull. 24 pages of "Where did Brooklyn go!?".
Aldrius
posted @ Thu, Feb 28, 2008 6:49:20 pm EST from 207.112.43.171

Re: The new Gargoyles t-shirt at Hot Topic

Yes!!! I'm *definitely* getting one of these. And if they have a shirt, maybe other Garg items will follow at some point? :D
Bagpipes5K - [bagpipes5k2 at sbcglobal dot net]
posted @ Thu, Feb 28, 2008 6:36:38 pm EST from 69.216.18.226

Um, a lot of cars got crushed on "Gargoyles." So it's not entirely off-topic. Maybe if a way could be found to tie that sermon into the crushing of cars. Because mindless destruction is fun.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75 at gmail dot com]
"Hopefully, we should appreciate that given points in time are not so significant as the nature of what is impressed on the mind, and how it is retained and used." -Yes ("Tales From Topographic Oceans")
posted @ Thu, Feb 28, 2008 6:25:19 pm EST from 71.62.198.251

Angela - A few years ago, before we started getting new gargoyles comics, your post might have been on-topic but since there is new gargoyles material coming out, your post is way off-topic.
dph_of_rules
Whatever happenned to simplicity?
posted @ Thu, Feb 28, 2008 4:46:52 pm EST from 98.20.176.131

"Angela"> Glad you have such strong opinions, but we TRY to keep politics out of the room, so this is not the best place to post something like this. (If this isn't a random posting/spam)
Asatira - [gostowl at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Thu, Feb 28, 2008 4:20:11 pm EST from 75.143.83.91

Since when this this comment room get all politically on us?
Adam - [carl006_1999 at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Thu, Feb 28, 2008 3:09:04 pm EST from 24.31.23.223

cars> While that's an interesting idea, I don't see it happening, especially with the government having problems mandating that ALL cars/trucks/SUVs/etc conform to a gas mileage standard by a certain year.
Kerry (Kth) Boyd - [Kth_dragon at hotmail dot com]
posted @ Thu, Feb 28, 2008 3:04:13 pm EST from 216.57.96.1

My Alternative Fuel Solution
Cameron_Philips@greywolfenterprise.com

I think the government should do with the auto industry the same way that was dealt with HDTV. What I mean is set a date for the the auto manufactures to switch over to making clean running cars, and no I'm not talking about biofuel or any fuel that burns and produces greenhouse gases or any of that crap.

For instants the government should mandate by 2012 ALL auto manufactures MUST produce a TOTALLY green car such as my favorite Hydrogen fuel cell, Electric, or Solar vehicles. I think the idea of hybrid cars (gas and electric) is a half ass way to solve the greenhouse gas issue.

Then by 2016 all gasoline cars people currently own would be mandated to either by another brand new car with one of the totally green options I mentioned or have their current car converted.

You may ask. How do you produce hydrogen cleanly without using fossil fuels? My answer is "Electrolysis (breaking apart the hydrogen and oxygen atoms)". Basically you would set up hydroelectric power plants along rivers. The cleanly produced electricity would run the electrolysis process and use the water fro creating hydrogen that would be stored in storage tanks to be shipped around the country to local gas stations around the country.

The government should help auto manufactures financially for a few years to help kick start the production and also send some money to service stations and such to help with setting up fueling stations for hydroelectric vehicles.

You may say, "The hydroelectric cars are going to be TOO expensive for the average consumer". I say "So was everything else once too, but what happened? The prices on a lot of the used to be high priced items came down". Yes only the rich may be able to afford these vehicles AT FIRST, But the price WILL come down. Just like anything else thats been in the market for a while.

The producers of fossil fuels need to stop their bitching and hop on the hydroelectric bandwagon. If they change their industry to this new fuel. The producers of fossil fuels NOW, would not go out of business but instead I think they would turn a larger profit with this new hydroelectric fuel.

I heard something about still using SOME fossil fuels even after 2020
I think what the president is saying about not really shifting to these new ideas as far as mandating them is a bunch of crap. What I mean is all this talk about finding alternative fuels is just that "talk". We need people in the government and the auto industry to put their heads together and not just "talk" about changing to a TOTALLY clean solution. We as US citizens need "ACTION" not "TALK". Think about our future children and our children presently. Think if the government keeps this up with there sluggishness for change imagine this. 2020 You have to were REALLY powerful sunscreen, you will have to wear a special hat and sunglasses, special gas mask to block the pollution from hurting you. Think about this stuff your kids have to wear before they can go outside, and TONS more cancer cases TONS more people dead. I'm sure the future isn't that grim. I believe in Power To The People. We the people, need to stand united and put our combined boots up their ass to get the government to move faster on this issue.
Angela
posted @ Thu, Feb 28, 2008 2:56:21 pm EST from 85.25.153.16

Issues 10 - 12> Debuting Brooklyn and his family after Brooklyn's first adventure could work, but I think you have to put in a little bit more explanation of what happens between Brooklyn leaving from his first adventure and Brooklyn and family returning to Manhattan. I'm OK with doing nothing but a cliffhanger revealing older Brooklyn and his family if we stay with the Manhattan clan's perspective the whole timeThey would be confused about what just happened, so I'd be fine with the audience feeling the same way. But if we're going to see Brooklyn disappear, see his first adventure and then witness his return, I think we need some indication of what's going on. Keep in mind that we're looking at this from the perspective of people who know both the original show and much of what is going to happen in the comic, so there's no chance of us getting confused. New readers don't have it so easy. The problem with dealing with magic in a series is that unless you define what its abilities and limits are, you can inadvertently give the sense that anything can happen. We know what the Phoenix Gate does, but new readers may not. It could be a fun misdirect if we see Brooklyn leave his first adventure, then cut back to Manhattan expecting him to be returning from that same adventure, only to see the much older Brook and his while family appear. But it could also be very confusing for any new readers. Rather than making the correct deduction that Brooklyn spent nearly 40 additional years traveling, they could just assume that "something magical happened." The result could be newer readers thinking "Wow! What happened? I can't wait to see the next issue!" or "Wait, what just happened? This comic is confusing and it's at least 2 months until the next issue."

Here's how I think it could be done:

1) Brooklyn finishes his adventure in Scotland. The Phoenix Gate shows up. Brooklyn says something along the lines of " Well, that was fun. Time to go home." He grabs the gate, but ends up someplace that is clearly not home. THEN we go back to modern day Castle Wyvern in Manhattan and have Brook and family show up. That at least gives the suggestion that Brooklyn didn't go home immediately and gives the newer readers a better chance of guessing at what actually happened.

2) Again, Brook finishes up in Scotland and grabs the Gate, thinking he's going back home. As we go back to the Manhattan clan, we have some continuing narration from Brooklyn. As the clan wonders what happened and sees the flash of the Phoenix Gate returning, Brook says something like "I did get back home...." And as older Brooklyn and his family are revealed, the narration says "...it just took me a little longer than I expected." Preserving the surprise a little more, but again, giving newer fans a fair shot at sorting out why Brooklyn looks different and has these new gargoyles with him.

Additionally, I guess this rules out the possibility that Nashville's hatching in 1978 is the same trip where Brooklyn drop Mary and Finella off in the 1970s. Even if they do take more than one stop with him, they'd have to be around for quite a while in order for Brooklyn to meet Katana, fall in love, become her mate, and conceive an egg with her, and for Katana to lay that egg and for the egg to hatch. And since Mary and Finella were apparently only supposed to look about 20 years older when they showed up at the masque, I'm guessing they weren't hopping through time that long.

Anyone else think there's a nice symmetry to Brooklyn's first timedancing stop and the World Tour's first stop both being at what is now Wyvern, Scotland?

Manhattan Clan Second> I don't think we're going to see any decisions made about that anytime soon. After all, Brooklyn is going to come back only 10 gargoyle years older than Goliath (as he was 10 biological years younger than Goliath when he left), so it's not as big a deal as having Hudson being the second in command. We don't remotely know how old Goliath will be when he performs his act of self-sacrifice; he could concievably already be nearing the end of his lifespan. Anyway, assuming both of them survive to the point where it would be an issue, I think Brooklyn might suggest to Goliath that he should select a younger second and Brook will step down. For the time being, I don't think it's going to be an issue. The clan is going to have enough to deal with adjusting to Brooklyn being now older than Goliath and getting to know Katana, Nashville, and Fu-Dog. And there's a new egg to care for.
Demonskrye - [demonskrye(at)gmail(dot)com]
posted @ Thu, Feb 28, 2008 2:48:07 pm EST from 209.6.248.33

I think Brooklyn will lead after Goliath, and I'm thinking Angela will be next. We haven't met Katana or Nashville yet, so I don't know what their personalities will be like.

But, as far as Angela goes, she strikes me as having great potential to be a leader someday. We already know she has at least some leadership abilities, or she would not have been second on avalon. Also, she's got great parentage. Goliath has been a great leader for his clan and Demona was...well, let's just say if things had turned out differently I think she would have been a lot more trusting, and thus, a lot better leader.

She's clearly very intelligent. I doubt that her leadership style would be very similar to Goliath's or Brooklyn's, but that still doesn't mean it couldn't be good. And, I think Angela's background (growing up with humans, trusting them, etc.) could prove very useful for a leader in the future.
Rebel
posted @ Thu, Feb 28, 2008 1:38:37 pm EST from 24.227.200.138

Sorry for the double post, but does anyone have any idea how old Fu-Dog is supposed to be.
Adam - [carl006_1999 at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Thu, Feb 28, 2008 12:59:22 pm EST from 24.31.23.223

Don't forget that Coldstone and Coldfire are supposed to join the clan. And with Coldsteel in the neighborhood, that might happen sooner rather than latter.
Adam - [carl006_1999 at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Thu, Feb 28, 2008 12:54:03 pm EST from 24.31.23.223

I still wouldn't expect Thailog in 10, 11 and 12. Greg is telling a big story here, and I just don't see the room for him and Shari. Besides, Thailog couldn't and shouldn't be in every issue.

Also, I expect the "trip" to be told from Brooklyn's point of view. He leaves in 10, he returns in 12.

Demonskrye> " It would feel more like he just went on one adventure and somehow came back 40 years older."

I'd say give the readers a little more credit than this. He's not just coming back 40 years older, he's coming back with a mate, a young gargoyle, a beast and an egg. I think the readers would catch on pretty quick to what happened.
Greg Bishansky
"February is Black History Month. Now, I don't see race. People tell me I'm white and I believe them because police officers call me 'Sir,'" -Stephen Colbert
posted @ Thu, Feb 28, 2008 12:53:49 pm EST from 75.56.245.4

Actually, come to think of it, the clan-building arc will probably end with Nashville, Katana and would-be-Tachi coming to join the Manhattan clan. Fitting with the whole 'clan-building' idea, with the most significant contribution. Especially if we meet Lexington's would-be lover in London.

Everyone who desires a mate in the clan (i.e. everyone but Hudson) will have one.
Aldrius
posted @ Thu, Feb 28, 2008 12:52:07 pm EST from 207.112.43.171

Issue 12 is the end of the "Clan-Building" arc. I strongly feel that Greg will end it like he did Reawakenings, Hunter's Moon, or the Journey. You know? It won't an ambiguous ending that leaves us hanging, but also gives us hope for the future. Sorry for the double post.
Chip - [Dragonhunter723 at yahoo dot com]
Can a mortal ask questions which God finds unanswerable? Quite easily, I should think. All nonsense questions are unanswerable. -- C.S. Lewis
posted @ Thu, Feb 28, 2008 12:35:26 pm EST from 68.164.6.120

Well I don't think that Brooklyn will step down. Greg has given no indication that he will. I think that after Goliath dies, Brook will become leader...for a while anyway. His Second though... prolly Angela, or Katana. Nashville might be second when he gets a little older, it depends on when Goliath dies.
Chip - [Dragonhunter723 at yahoo dot com]
Can a mortal ask questions which God finds unanswerable? Quite easily, I should think. All nonsense questions are unanswerable. -- C.S. Lewis
posted @ Thu, Feb 28, 2008 12:25:53 pm EST from 68.164.6.120

This is kinda out of the blue, but who do you guys think will be the future leader of the Manhattan clan. After Brooklyn gets back from his timedancing, he will be biologically older than Goliath. So he is not the "long term" answer to leadership. Greg has stated that Goliath sacrifices his life for the good of Human/Gargoyle relations. So depending on when that happens, Brooklyn might have stepped down as second for a younger person to take his place or he will be only leader for a short time. My vote for the next second or leader are either Angela or Nashville.
Adam - [carl006_1999 at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Thu, Feb 28, 2008 12:21:22 pm EST from 24.31.23.223

Brett> could you be a bit more descriptive? My sister goes by Kat, it could be her. She played Elisa in the Radio Play.
Chip - [Dragonhunter723 at yahoo dot com]
Can a mortal ask questions which God finds unanswerable? Quite easily, I should think. All nonsense questions are unanswerable. -- C.S. Lewis
posted @ Thu, Feb 28, 2008 12:20:43 pm EST from 68.164.6.120

Algernon > That's what I'm leaning towards as well.
Rebel
posted @ Thu, Feb 28, 2008 11:29:40 am EST from 24.227.200.138

I'm guessing that Greg will want to play Brook's mini-clan as a bit of a surprise. Given that, we'll probably see Brook disappear after at the end his first adventure with Mary and Finnella. We then cut back to the modern day just as Brook returns home. I'm visualizing a big WTF type splash panel at the very end of issue 12 revealing Katana, Nashville, Fu-Dog and a middle age Brooklyn. At least that's what I'd do if I were writing. Of course if I was writing the comic would probably be crap and come out with less frequency then a solar eclipse.
Algernon
"The fact that Dustin is a turkey should give Ireland the edge" -Bob Geldof's Prediction for Eurovision 2008
posted @ Thu, Feb 28, 2008 11:28:37 am EST from 149.157.1.180

I think 12 could very well end with a cliffhanger stand-off with Thailog. I dunno though.
Rebel
posted @ Thu, Feb 28, 2008 11:08:04 am EST from 24.227.200.138

Uh, Vicky... that doesn't reassure me... I am going to London on March 8th... :/ I know, everything will be ok!
Battle Beast - [Canada]
That is all I will say.
posted @ Thu, Feb 28, 2008 10:40:52 am EST from 75.156.180.163

I think #10 should go like this: Within the first few pages, the Phoenix Gate takes Brooklyn to his first journey. He then leaves and his 40 year journey begins. We go back to castle and the rest of the clan is wondering what happened to him. He then reapers with his new family and briefly greats the rest of the clan before the sun rises and the episode ends. I think 11 and 12 should concentrate on the clans conflict with Thailog because that is what the first few comics concentrated on.
Adam - [carl006_1999 at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Thu, Feb 28, 2008 10:34:24 am EST from 24.31.23.223

Timedancing Continuity> My guess is that Brooklyn will both arrive and return in issue #10. Essentially there are two perspectives to tell this story from. Either we go with Brooklyn's perspective, where he spends 40 years traveling through space and time before returning home, or we go with the rest of the Manhattan clan's perspective, whee Brooklyn disappears and returns mere minutes later 40 years older accompanied by his new family. Now we know Greg isn't going to do all of Brooklyn's timedancing adventures, just one for now. So it would be very hard to convey that Brooklyn spent the full 40 years journeying before returning home. You could do a quick teaser montage of some of Brooklyn's other adventures, but I don't think that's going to be adequate to convey how long Brooklyn spends timedancing. It would feel more like he just went on one adventure and somehow came back 40 years older. The easiest way to tell the story is to show it from the rest of the clan's point of view. They see Brooklyn disappear and reappear within a very short time period, but very much changed when he comes back. Then Brooklyn explains that he's been time traveling for 40 years and tells his clan about what's happened to him.
Demonskrye - [demonskrye(at)gmail(dot)com]
posted @ Thu, Feb 28, 2008 8:57:26 am EST from 209.6.248.33

The opening sentence of the solicitation reminds me of the creativity demon that I had many years ago of Brooklyn, deposited by the Phoenix Gate in 10th century Scotland after the Magus's curse, materializing in front of his petrified self, crying out in alarm for a moment, then recognizing the "thing" that's confronting him, and commenting "How embarrassing". (Though the one difficulty with it taking place directly like that is that the stone Brooklyn would have been placed on the battlements facing outwards, like the rest of the clan; Brooklyn would have to be hovering in mid-air to be staring straight into his stone face.)

So Mary and Finella are pretending to be sorceresses (at least they've got the book of spells to play the part)? I hadn't expected that.

I hope that we get #8 soon. And that the delay doesn't weaken the sales further (I think it's safe to assume that the No. 1 reason for the dropping sales problem is the irregular release schedule).
Todd Jensen
Gargoyles - did for monstrous-looking statues what "Watership Down" did for rabbits!
posted @ Thu, Feb 28, 2008 7:43:37 am EST from 4.244.212.238

Hmm... kinda assumed that they'd be telling the story of the grimorum and Mary and Finella in the Gargoyles comic rather than the Timedancer spin-off. Seeing as how it's the one with the most important story to the overall Gargoyles storyline. (Plus Mary and Finella's likely cameo in the Halloween story) One thing I'm wondering is the average amount of time Brooklyn will stay in a time period. One issue? One story arc?

At least we'll finally get to see Demona in a fairly major capacity in the comic. Whether it's in the 70's with Xanatos or if maybe we'll run into her in 900's with Mary and Finella somehow. (Before she gathered her new clan)

That last bit is doubtful, but still a possibility I guess.
Aldrius
posted @ Thu, Feb 28, 2008 7:30:24 am EST from 207.112.43.171

Speaking of #11, I just came from ASK GREG, and it looks like the events of February 28, 1991 have been withheld. Given when Xanatos purchased Castle Wyvern, I'd say the date in 1991 probably has something to do with him acquiring the Grimorum.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75 at gmail dot com]
"Hopefully, we should appreciate that given points in time are not so significant as the nature of what is impressed on the mind, and how it is retained and used." -Yes ("Tales From Topographic Oceans")
posted @ Thu, Feb 28, 2008 6:56:11 am EST from 71.62.198.251

What's Hot Topic's shipping cost? The nearest store to me would be well over an hour's drive and with gasoline costs like it is, the odds of me visiting the store are . . almost virtually non-existent. Unless my brother is heading out in that area, my visit just won't happen.
dph_of_rules
Whatever happenned to simplicity?
posted @ Thu, Feb 28, 2008 6:51:59 am EST from 98.20.176.131

Well, Greg W. himself just said to get a T-Shirt -- guess what I'm getting for my birthday? :)
Phoenician
"The Suspense is Terrible . . . I Hope it Lasts" -- Willy Wonka
posted @ Thu, Feb 28, 2008 3:57:30 am EST from 157.242.220.31

dph > When I said "non-linear" I was referring to Brooklyn's point of view. Though I did mention a while back that it would be really interesting if the timedancer adventures took place in the order they actually took place in, but not the order they occurred from Brooklyn's perspective. I doubt this approach will be taken though.

I'm not necessarily saying that I think 10-12 WILL have a non-linear approach. Just saying it COULD happen. It'd be a fun opportunity to play around with time in interesting ways (although skipping around could make it *too* hard to follow).
Rebel
posted @ Thu, Feb 28, 2008 3:09:15 am EST from 24.227.200.138

Hello everyone. I'm looking to get in touch with someone I met at Gathering 2007. She went by Cat, was a little punk around the edges, and I have no contact info for her. Please email me if you might know who this is. Thanks!
Brett - [bretthanover at gmail dot com]
posted @ Thu, Feb 28, 2008 2:24:57 am EST from 24.1.158.88

Rebel - Define "Linear approach" when dealing with Time Travel. One linear approach is to follow events chronologically. One linear approach is to follow from a person's point of view. I'll explain the difference using MIA: Chronological linear means showing Goliath arriving to pick up Griff completely out of context and then skipping to the present. POV (from the travellers) linear is what we saw.

Relatively dumb question: Does the announcement about the title for issue #11 imply that Greg Weisman has finished with scripting issue #10, red tornado #1&2, and bg issue #5? According to http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?rid=733 , Greg was going to write the script for Red Tornado #1, gargoyles issue #10, red tornado issue #2, then bg issue #5. If the pattern holds, I'm guessing that red tornado issue #3 would be the next thing scripted before he got around to scripting issue #11.
dph_of_rules
Whatever happenned to simplicity?
posted @ Thu, Feb 28, 2008 2:18:59 am EST from 98.20.176.131

Chip > That's a good theory. I tend to lean towards him disappearing towards the middle/end of issue 10. The action from then forward would largely be concerned with Brooklyn, perhaps with occasional flashes to Angela/Broadway/Lex being all worried. I think the end of 10, the entirety of 11, and a sizable chunk of 12 would be devoted to the adventure that Greg Bishansky mentioned below (and possibly some allusions to other adventures, but there's only so many adventures you can fully explore in such a small amount of space). At some point in 12, the aforementioned adventure would end, and the comic would somehow transition back to present day Manhattan, where Brooklyn and family arrive on the last panel of 12, leaving us with a cliffhanger. At least, that's what I think will happen.


I wouldn't rule out issues 10-12 taking a non-linear approach to things, the way 7-9 will. I think it would still remain *mostly* linear and we'd still pretty much follow Brooklyn in the "Tyrant" plot, but we might get flashes here and there to other adventures.
Rebel
posted @ Thu, Feb 28, 2008 1:29:30 am EST from 24.227.200.138

This is interesting, it indicates that issue 11 takes place in the past. Now we know for certain that at least part of the Timedancer story will be told in these three issues. I suspect that Brooklyn leaves and returns in issue 10(with Katana,Fu-Dog, Nashville and Egg in tow), and issues 11 & 12 some of the dances are told as flashbacks or are told to Thailog by Shari. (Mind you it's just theory I could be wrong) What do you think?
Chip - [Dragonhunter723 at yahoo dot com]
Can a mortal ask questions which God finds unanswerable? Quite easily, I should think. All nonsense questions are unanswerable. -- C.S. Lewis
posted @ Thu, Feb 28, 2008 12:28:05 am EST from 68.164.6.178

#11: Tyrant -- Hmm, a hint to Constantine, I'm guessing?

Should be quite interesting indeed. :)
Phoenician
"The Suspense is Terrible . . . I Hope it Lasts" -- Willy Wonka
posted @ Wed, Feb 27, 2008 10:20:16 pm EST from 157.242.220.31

You know, I was almost certain that Brooklyn's timedancing adventures would take him to Castle Wyvern at some point, while they were all frozen. I wish I had said something back when I first thought it though. Damn.
Rebel
posted @ Wed, Feb 27, 2008 10:01:02 pm EST from 24.227.200.138

Yikes... that Ohio Comic Con couldn't have picked a venue in Columbus that's more in the middle of nothing as far as lodging and food options go than the Veteran's Memorial. That's where I had to go to take the engineer's licensing exam a number of years ago. We were only given an hour for lunch but there was nowhere nearby to go get anything to eat in that amount of time. It was also a nightmare getting out of the parking lot at the end of the day.

Oh yeah... I think that date conflics with the Ohio Valley Filk Fest, too.

121 days left until The Gathering 2008 in Chicago, Illinois!
Patrick - [<-- The Gathering 2008]
"Rednecks think 'mutual funds' means *everyone* is having a good time." - Jeff Foxworthy
posted @ Wed, Feb 27, 2008 10:00:57 pm EST from 74.92.189.81

GARGOYLES #11
by Greg Weisman and David Hedgecock

"Clan-Building," Chapter 11: Tyrant. A TimeDancing Brooklyn from the present comes face to face with his past self, frozen in stone for a thousand years! Can he team with a pair of faux sorceresses to save himself, his clan, and the Grimorum Arcanorum that will someday set them all free?

24pgs, FC................................. $3.95
Greg Bishansky
"February is Black History Month. Now, I don't see race. People tell me I'm white and I believe them because police officers call me 'Sir,'" -Stephen Colbert
posted @ Wed, Feb 27, 2008 9:30:17 pm EST from 75.56.245.4

Great, a t-shirt where the largest size is XL. Great. :(
(The Gargoyles Pulse - updated Mondays)
Anthony Tini
posted @ Wed, Feb 27, 2008 8:14:54 pm EST from 70.15.84.29

Chris : As far as we know, only two. Demona never struck me as being big on trust, so I doubt that she would have made too many other alliances.

Bluewyvern : I, on the other hand, always name my computers after demons (primarily because I'm convinced that most of them are possessed).
Spen
"A friend in need is a pest."
posted @ Wed, Feb 27, 2008 5:37:21 pm EST from 66.43.205.110

Deomona's insistence on revenge forces her history to repeat itself. I wonder how many times throughout the last thousand years she made allies (Gargoyle or human) and ended up betraying them in one way or another because she assumed they were betraying her, then hated them all over again.

Wow, too much betrayal.

She's seriously messed up in the head.
I'm chris too:(
chris
why do we build castles in the sky?
posted @ Wed, Feb 27, 2008 5:02:43 pm EST from 66.211.201.24

Rebel: OR, she'd rationalize it that it's all just some elaborate scheme to gain the gargoyles' trust, and one day Elisa will surely turn on them. Even if she doesn't think it's a scheme, she might still think that Elisa will turn on her "clan" when enough adversity prompts her to do so (repeatedly proven wrong, but oh well).

From her point of view, Macbeth saved her and then betrayed her. So yeah, she might see this as history repeating itself. And I'm sure she's seen a lot of repeating history.
Antiyonder - [antiyonder at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Wed, Feb 27, 2008 3:36:15 pm EST from 71.115.192.199

Adam> I'm guessing Things From Another World is going off some older information. It's possible that the comics were originally scheduled to come out on those dates. It's also possible that those are the expected ship dates for issues #8 and #2 respectively and TFAW listed the wrong issues by accident. But there's no way we're getting 3 issues of the main book between now and next month and 3 issues of "Bad Guys" between now and April. I think the first sign that something may be coming out on a particular date is a listing in Diamond. Until then, I wouldn't put too much stock in any date.
Demonskrye - [demonskrye(at)gmail(dot)com]
posted @ Wed, Feb 27, 2008 1:50:39 pm EST from 209.6.248.33

I don't know what to make of this, buy I was searching online to find out the exact date for the next comics to come out. At www.tfaw.com, it says the Gargoyles #10 comes out on March 26, 2008 and Bad Guys #4 comes out on April 30, 2008. Don't know what it means, but I can't wait for the next issue to come out.
Adam - [carl006_1999 at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Wed, Feb 27, 2008 1:31:39 pm EST from 170.112.1.251

Wow we had a earthquake here in the UK today at 1am measuring 5.2 in Lincolnshire lasted 10 seconds. It was felt all over England. I didn't feel it as I was tucked up asleep. It was the largest we had in 25 years
Vicky82 - [Vickyfanofwwe at aol dot com]
posted @ Wed, Feb 27, 2008 1:26:30 pm EST from 205.188.117.134

Well, as sad as the situation is for independent artists, I think the fault lies with people who copy their designs and sell them to Hot Topic, not with Hot Topic itself. I guess it should probably check around to make sure every design submitted to them isn't a rip-off, but still, people shouldn't rip off others' designs in the first place.

I have a Hot Topic at my local mall. I think I might pick up this shirt next time I go there. I have absolutely NO gargoyles shirts.
Rebel
posted @ Wed, Feb 27, 2008 1:07:30 pm EST from 24.227.200.138

Greg B> Ah, okay. Sorry about that.
Kerry (Kth) Boyd - [Kth_dragon at hotmail dot com]
posted @ Wed, Feb 27, 2008 12:50:30 pm EST from 216.57.96.1

Whoops, just noticed Asatira already linked to it.
Lumpmoose - [lumpmoose at googles dot email dot service]
posted @ Wed, Feb 27, 2008 12:34:43 pm EST from 128.101.32.234

Huh, well what do you know: http://www.hottopic.com/hottopic/store/product.jsp?FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374302028385&PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524442173198&bmUID=1204133402290

Regardless of Hot Topic ripping off independent artists, I can't believe they'd rip off Disney unless they want to get spanked in court. These are the people that changed federal copyright law to keep Mickey Mouse out of public domain.
Lumpmoose - [lumpmoose at googles dot email dot service]
posted @ Wed, Feb 27, 2008 12:32:57 pm EST from 128.101.32.234

Kerry, yeah, I read that. I wasn't commenting on that, I was commenting on the question, "is the t-shirt licensed?"
Greg Bishansky
"February is Black History Month. Now, I don't see race. People tell me I'm white and I believe them because police officers call me 'Sir,'" -Stephen Colbert
posted @ Wed, Feb 27, 2008 12:27:20 pm EST from 75.56.245.4

Greg B> The issue isn't that the Garg shirt is unlicensed. It's that independent artists are having their ideas copied and used on HT merchandise, thus causing a lot of people to boycott the store entirely.
Kerry (Kth) Boyd - [Kth_dragon at hotmail dot com]
posted @ Wed, Feb 27, 2008 12:24:55 pm EST from 216.57.96.1

Chris > It would infuriate her, because by doing things like this, Elisa keeps chipping away at the idea that "all humans are evil". She'd be mad that she'd been proven wrong repeatedly--and she'd also be insanely jealous--since Elisa is truly a good person, her and Goliath's relationship will probably last, and Demona will never get Goliath back (she hates him and loves him at the same time...she loves the "idea" of him that she has built in her head, but hates the reality).

OR, she'd rationalize it that it's all just some elaborate scheme to gain the gargoyles' trust, and one day Elisa will surely turn on them. Even if she doesn't think it's a scheme, she might still think that Elisa will turn on her "clan" when enough adversity prompts her to do so (repeatedly proven wrong, but oh well).
Rebel
posted @ Wed, Feb 27, 2008 12:22:09 pm EST from 24.227.200.138

Chris> Demona wouldn't care.
Greg Bishansky
"February is Black History Month. Now, I don't see race. People tell me I'm white and I believe them because police officers call me 'Sir,'" -Stephen Colbert
posted @ Wed, Feb 27, 2008 12:14:28 pm EST from 75.56.245.4

Anonymous> You think Hot Topic would sell unlicensed merchandise with Disney property on it? Of course it is licensed.
Greg Bishansky
"February is Black History Month. Now, I don't see race. People tell me I'm white and I believe them because police officers call me 'Sir,'" -Stephen Colbert
posted @ Wed, Feb 27, 2008 12:13:54 pm EST from 75.56.245.4

What would Demona think if she knew how Eliza tried saving her life when Thailog was trying to get her and Macbeth to kill each other, and how Eliza told Angela that Demona was her mother when Goliath refused to do so?
Chris
posted @ Wed, Feb 27, 2008 12:13:16 pm EST from 134.241.175.1

The more I think about it, I'm actually REALLY hoping that the size variations in gargbeasts are as great as those in the gargoyles themselves. That would be so much fun!
Rebel
posted @ Wed, Feb 27, 2008 12:00:37 pm EST from 24.227.200.138

Now the question is, is that shirt liscenced?
Anonymous
posted @ Wed, Feb 27, 2008 11:39:39 am EST from 87.123.110.46

Umm...like I said, it still *could* be a gargbeast, if gargoyle beasts have a similar variation in sizes that gargoyles do. I doubt it, but it's a possibility. If it is a gargbeast, it certainly isn't as big as Bronx or Boudicca.

I don't think that's what it is, though.
Rebel
posted @ Wed, Feb 27, 2008 11:32:35 am EST from 24.227.200.138

Fair enough. Some other kind of animal, then?
bluewyvern
"Attend the petty jealousies and angers that prey upon your heart."
posted @ Wed, Feb 27, 2008 11:18:18 am EST from 69.112.108.43

I don't think Lex is holding a garbeast. In all the episodes he is never shown caring Bronx on his own because Bronx is too big for him to carry. And if he could carry Bronx, Lex would have to hold Bronx under him, not strait ahead of him. And besides, this comic takes place in November 1996, so the next rookery to hatch for all Gargoyle clans would be about March 1998. So it is not a gargpup. The last rookery would have been in 1978, making any garbeast the same age biologicaly as Bronx. And we all know how big Bronx is.
Adam - [carl006_1999 at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Wed, Feb 27, 2008 11:08:04 am EST from 170.112.1.251

Shirt> Nice. I hope it shows up somewhere else since I'm not going to be buying from Hot Topic anytime soon. They've been selling shirts that rip off designs from other designers who don't get paid for the use of their work. Check out the link.

http://youthoughtwewouldntnotice.com/blog3/?p=861
Demonskrye - [demonskrye(at)gmail(dot)com]
posted @ Wed, Feb 27, 2008 10:54:46 am EST from 209.6.248.33

I just thought about it, and having such huge size differences would make breeding a little...difficult. But then again, what if a male gargoyle the size of Goliath and a female gargoyle the size of Lex became mates (or vice versa)? I'm sure they'd manage somehow.
Rebel
posted @ Wed, Feb 27, 2008 10:44:08 am EST from 24.227.200.138

How old would the gargbeasts of the London clan be? I'm wondering if its even plausible that it could be a gargpup. Especially since they mature much faster than regular gargoyles. Then again, I don't know when the most recent rookery was hatched, so who knows?

Even if it's not a gargbeast pup, it could still just be a small gargbeast. We haven't seen very many gargbeasts at all so far in the series...just Bronx, Boudicca, and that red one at Ishimura (have I forgotten any?). But, given the amount of variation in gargoyle sizes (some as big as Goliath, some as small as Lex), I wouldn't be surprised if there was just as much variation in gargbeast sizes. For all we know, some gargbeasts could be as big as small horses, and some could be as small as cats (Ok...maybe not THAT small...but you get the idea).
Rebel
posted @ Wed, Feb 27, 2008 10:37:05 am EST from 24.227.200.138

Whatever Amp is, I don't think it's another gargoyle. It would seem a bit presumptuous to give an unnamed gargoyle a name like that -- a gargoyle should choose his own name. Maybe a nickname.

I'm betting on a gar-beast pup. Or maybe a new laptop. ;)

(Just got my new laptop yesterday...very nice beast. I named it Raven. All my desktops are named after gods, and my laptops and other accessories are demigods.)

(Incidentally, does anyone have any idea where to find quality art desktop icons, either of birds in general or ideally a Haida-style Raven? I've turned up nothing, not even a nice Poe-ish silhouette...)
bluewyvern
"Attend the petty jealousies and angers that prey upon your heart."
posted @ Wed, Feb 27, 2008 10:18:41 am EST from 69.112.108.43

Went online to Hot Topic's site, here's a link: http://www.hottopic.com/hottopic/store/product.jsp?FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374302029045&PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524442173198&bmUID=1204124623623

I'm getting really curious who or what Lex is calling "Amp" now. I have no idea what, all your suggestions seem plausible. Except for holding something while gliding. Possible, but seems cumbersome to me.
Asatira
posted @ Wed, Feb 27, 2008 10:07:27 am EST from 131.204.219.200

<Lex does tend to extend his arms when he glides, but never quite straight-forward like that.>

Oh God, if gargoyles did start gliding in the same position as Superman, I think that might break one of the Heavenly Seals.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75 at gmail dot com]
"It is a law of nature we overlook, that intellectual versatility is the compensation for change, danger, and trouble." -The Time Traveller
posted @ Wed, Feb 27, 2008 6:26:00 am EST from 71.62.198.251

Off-topic> Ohio's going to be having our first comic con in October.

http://www.ohiocomiccon.net/

In case anyone's interested.
KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra_582 at hotmail dot com]
Grr. Arg.
posted @ Wed, Feb 27, 2008 5:01:51 am EST from 75.60.190.157

Good work, Matt. But you missed one. Maybe... He's reaching for something! It was a lot harder to think of something than I thought.

Anyhow. I'm looking forward to number eight.

Off-topic: I just watched Donnie Darko for the first time. It was mediocre.

Hot-Topic: Apparently my friends saw the Gargoyles T-shirt at the local Hot Topic, and all thought of me. I suppose I'll go to check it out. And mayhaps purchase it.
Samuel - [AnglOfHellO at AOL dot com]
Noodles, anyone?
posted @ Wed, Feb 27, 2008 12:56:34 am EST from 68.34.84.220

So, Lex could be holding an object, a young gargoyle beast, or a young gargoyle. Or he could be holding nothing at all. He could be gliding, or he could just be holding something. Or he could be holding something and gliding. He could be naming an object or a person or giving someone with an existing name a shorter nickname.
This is a fun mystery.
Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age! Between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!!!" - Macbeth, "City of Stone"
posted @ Wed, Feb 27, 2008 12:27:53 am EST from 24.207.160.51

I definitely think he's got something in his arms. Lex does tend to extend his arms when he glides, but never quite straight-forward like that. If that panel is supposed to be a panel of Lex gliding, then I think Hedgecock drew it inaccurately.
Rebel
posted @ Tue, Feb 26, 2008 11:20:40 pm EST from 24.227.200.138

I might be way off here, but personally I think that Lex has a Gargoyle Beast in his arms when he is making the "Amp" line.
David - [souiofangelus at aol dot com]
posted @ Tue, Feb 26, 2008 10:22:48 pm EST from 64.12.117.134

In the comic, Lex is gliding with his arms strait out, but if you look at screen caps of him gliding, he glides with his arms sorta out. Check this like out: http://members.aol.com/bellegarg1/Screenshots/GS02/02-019.jpg
And since the London Clan had "lost its way", it is safe to assume that all the members of the clan had names. After all, the Ishimura clan had names.
Adam - [carl006_1999 at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Tue, Feb 26, 2008 10:08:23 pm EST from 24.31.23.223

Adam> "But it looks like Lex is holding something when he says "I'll call you Amp"."

I agree with demonskrye. He was probably just gliding. Or maybe it's a really light Gargoyle (scrawnier then Lex) who was injured somehow and Lex was taking him to safety?

"But if it was a person, why would Lex say that he will call it Amp. So whatever he is talking to does not have a name and Lex is giving it a name."

It's quite possible that the possible Gargoyle in that panel simply did not have a name and Lex was just helping him out.

We won't know for sure until #8 comes out, whenever the hell that will be.
KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra_582 at hotmail dot com]
Grr. Arg.
posted @ Tue, Feb 26, 2008 10:02:25 pm EST from 75.42.221.220

The T-shirts I refer to are sold at Hot Topic stores. The person I spoke to said they just got them in thursday, but they aren't avaliable on the website yet. They feature a picture of Goliath on a black background, in flesh, in thinker poser, with the gargoyles logo below him, with a white outline. teh Product code for the XL one is 204930. I saw it in Youth small, small, Medium, large and X-large, which is what is upsetting because I want an XX-large.
#
posted @ Tue, Feb 26, 2008 9:32:07 pm EST from 172.164.100.44

Adam> Well, gargoyles traditionally don't have names, so Lex may have been naming one. Just my theory.

And before anyone says "they already have names", we don't know that. Griff, Leo and Una may have been the only ones with names. We know for a long time, Goliath was the only one in his clan with a name.
Greg Bishansky
"February is Black History Month. Now, I don't see race. People tell me I'm white and I believe them because police officers call me 'Sir,'" -Stephen Colbert
posted @ Tue, Feb 26, 2008 9:20:46 pm EST from 75.56.245.4

But if it was a person, why would Lex say that he will call it Amp. So whatever he is talking to does not have a name and Lex is giving it a name.
Adam - [carl006_1999 at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Tue, Feb 26, 2008 9:04:40 pm EST from 24.31.23.223

It still seems to be under debate whether Lex is holding something above his head or merely flying.
Demonskrye - [demonskrye(at)gmail(dot)com]
posted @ Tue, Feb 26, 2008 8:08:01 pm EST from 209.6.248.33

But it looks like Lex is holding something when he says "I'll call you Amp". I think that he may be holding the coyote diamond. I went with Doran and Bonnie because both of those names are English.
Adam - [carl006_1999 at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Tue, Feb 26, 2008 7:31:10 pm EST from 24.31.23.223

London garg names> Well since I've been researching the comedy development of "Gargoyles" for GargWiki, I'm partial to the Amp and Coco theory. If it is the stagoyle who ends up being named Amp, I'm guessing it's because he has a longer, more cumbersome name, since Lex probably wouldn't thrust a name on an unnamed gargoyle or pull one out of his...um, tail. I rather like "Amphitryon", which is the name of Heracles's mortal, non-biological father. Coco I can't think of a good real name for. Maybe something starting with just "Co" or "Ko". Or maybe it is just "Coco". Or "Isa Dora", Coco's predecessor in the comedy development.

Issue #8 is not listed for this week or next as of yet, so it may be a while before we know.

Rebel> Cool idea, something I hadn't considered. My gut feeling is that it's not going to be the case with Katana at the least. I've generally felt that the whole point of putting Brooklyn in feudal Japan was to get him into a situation where female gargoyles are plentiful so he can stop feeling like "I have to go after anything with wings, tail, and a feminine figure" and actually fall in love with someone for who she is. Having Katana come along with him by accident, while it would be extremely interesting, would kind of negate that effect and go back to the "there's only one female gargoyle or gargoyle-like being around" scenario, which would make it tougher to show why it's different for Brooklyn this time. Fu-Dog is a possibility. Greg has said he's extremely loyal to Brooklyn, but that could have developed over time. I think it's quite likely that Fu-Dog doesn't completely understand that by going with Brooklyn, he's embarking on a very long journey and may never see his clan again. (We don't know what year Brooklyn get Fu-Dog from, so it's too early to say whether everyone he knew from the Xanadu clan would be much aged or dead by the time Brooklyn and family return to Manhattan.) It's also possible that Brooklyn may pick up some more passengers we don't know about yet who don't end up coming home with him, and some of them could be unintentional.
b - [demonskrye(at)gmail(dot)com]
posted @ Tue, Feb 26, 2008 7:06:15 pm EST from 209.6.248.33

Hmmm... "arachnobatic." What a great word. I'm actually looking forward to this cartoon.

#: Yes, what shirts are you referring to?
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75 at gmail dot com]
"It is a law of nature we overlook, that intellectual versatility is the compensation for change, danger, and trouble." -The Time Traveller
posted @ Tue, Feb 26, 2008 6:59:04 pm EST from 71.62.198.251

D'oh! I had something gnawing in the back of my head and finally realized what it is: Greg did compare the relationship between Brook and Katana to more...uh, volatile pairings. Greg is quoted in this Ask Greg post

http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=7446

"There's conflict. I once described their relationship as Sam & Diane-esque. No one got that, but the intellectual crowd here did understand a Beatrice & Benedick reference. Made me feel old and young, simultaneously."

Huh. How about that? If this pans out, it might make an intersting contrast to the other pairings in Gargoyles, but at the same time, I'd hope it doesn't fall into its own cliches.
Incisivis - [incisivis at hotmail dot com]
"No live organism can continue for long to exist sanely under conditions of absolute reality; even larks and katydids are supposed, by some, to dream" -- Shirley Jackson
posted @ Tue, Feb 26, 2008 6:41:46 pm EST from 216.36.154.204

Eh, new Gargoyles shirts? Say what?
Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age! Between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!!!" - Macbeth, "City of Stone"
posted @ Tue, Feb 26, 2008 6:40:55 pm EST from 24.207.160.51

Rebel> Actually....that doesn't seem like it would be such a fresh and exciting proposition. The "accidental traveller" and "future lovers bicker until they fall for each other" angles are both pretty common in time travel stories and romances, respectively. It might be different for "Gargoyles" alone, but not so much for everything else.

But we'll see...
Incisivis - [incisivis at hotmail dot com]
"No live organism can continue for long to exist sanely under conditions of absolute reality; even larks and katydids are supposed, by some, to dream" -- Shirley Jackson
posted @ Tue, Feb 26, 2008 6:36:27 pm EST from 216.36.154.204

I just had a quick question. Does anyone know if they've made a 2x size of the new Gargoyles shirt? I;ve checked with two hot topics and the largest they have is 1X. And if not, does anyone know why Disney and gargoyles is hating on larger people. I'm willing to pay for it like every 2x shirt I have, just seems unfair if they didn't make it.
#
posted @ Tue, Feb 26, 2008 5:54:09 pm EST from 172.164.101.3

Adam> I could be wrong, (judging from a certain panel of Lex in #7) but I'm 98% certain that one of them is named 'Amp'.
KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra_582 at hotmail dot com]
Grr. Arg.
posted @ Tue, Feb 26, 2008 5:44:47 pm EST from 75.42.221.220

Even though we will probably find out the names of the two new London gargoyles that appeared at the end of Gargoyles #7, does anyone have any good names for them or anyone want to guess at their names. I like Doran (white stag) and Bonnie (brown sow).
Adam - [carl006_1999 at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Tue, Feb 26, 2008 3:43:35 pm EST from 24.31.23.223

Has anyone ever considered the possibility that either Fu-Dog/Katana ends up timedancing with Brooklyn, quite by accident? i.e. the phoenix gate shows up at just the wrong time, like while they are standing by each other or both crumpled on the ground, injured, and they get whisked away together?

I doubt this is how it will happen, but I always thought it would be extremely interesting if this is how Katana and Brooklyn ended up being mates. Obviously, she'd be furious at him at first for separating her from her clan for all eternity. It'd take months or years, but eventually that hatred/dislike would grow to a grudging respect/friendship, and eventually, love. And, although she'd always miss her clan, she'd be glad to be with Brooklyn and realize that the Phoenix Gate united them for a reason. Blah blah blah. I doubt Greg would have them united in as bizarre a way as this, but I've always thought this would be extremely fresh and awesome.
Rebel
posted @ Tue, Feb 26, 2008 2:19:43 pm EST from 24.227.200.138

Video Interviews >> I met Sean Galloway before!! He did a drawing workshop at a school I was attending last year. Nice guy. He even did some rough sketches of a few things, signed them, and several people took those sketches home (I took one myself). He had books for sale as well, but I couldn't buy any since I didn't have the money for them at the time...
The One Known As Mochi - [shogi dot keima dot 08 at gmail dot com]
Current Mood: (>T.T)> Feeling better, but my hearing is still shot...
posted @ Tue, Feb 26, 2008 1:44:27 pm EST from 72.199.225.9

Samuel> Thanks for the post.

Greg B.> Thanks for putting up the video link. Watching it now, and liking what I hear about the series.
Asatira
posted @ Tue, Feb 26, 2008 1:38:03 pm EST from 131.204.97.9

Off-topic> Do we have an artist for Titania's Mirror in the anthology?

Someone sent me a message asking if *I* need an artist, and I don't know exactly what to tell this person.
KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra_582 at hotmail dot com]
Grr. Arg.
posted @ Tue, Feb 26, 2008 12:48:13 pm EST from 75.42.221.220

bluewyvern> True about Bronx, but Bronx already had a clan he'd lived with his entire life. Though he an Boudicca due miss each other, they both had bonds to their respective clans which kept them apart, Bronx continuing to leave with Goliath, Elisa, and Angela on the skiff until he retruened to Manhattan, and Boudicca remaining on Avalon with her clan. Fu-Dog is going to be doing the opposite: leaving the clan he grew up with to travel with one gargoyle (though it's Brooklyn, not another beast). I guess because there are a lot of beasts in the Xanadu clan may be more okay with leaving their clans of birth the way large clans of gargoyles sometimes split and form splinter clans. Nut I can't see him leaving behind both the clan of his birth and a mate. Plus, there is still a definite possibility that Bronx and Boudicca could reunite one or more times, possibly even permanently. If Fu-Dog leaves with Brooklyn and leaves a mate behind, there is virtually no chance that they will ever see each other again. And since like gargoyles, beasts mate for life, that would be the end of mating for both of them.

Also, we know that gargoyle beasts are pretty much considered part of the clan. So while the clan may let Brooklyn take Fu-Dog with him in part as a thank-you for some act of kindness toward the clan, I think the choice is going to be largely Fu-Dog's. It's possible that Brook receives Fu-Dog as an egg, but I like to think that Fu-Dog actively decides to go with Brooklyn and remain devoted to him for the rest of his life.
b - [demonskrye(at)gmail(dot)com]
posted @ Tue, Feb 26, 2008 10:33:22 am EST from 209.6.248.33

Fu-Dog: since the Xanadu clan is known not just for having a lot of beasts, but specifically breeding them, I always sort of assumed that Brooklyn was given Fu-Dog as an egg/hatchling, most likely as a gift of thanks or friendship. It never occurred to me that Fu-Dog would be grown and mated.

Remember, though, Bronx has a mate, too, and was willing to be parted from her to stay with his clan.
bluewyvern
"Attend the petty jealousies and angers that prey upon your heart."
posted @ Tue, Feb 26, 2008 10:16:32 am EST from 69.112.108.43

Patrick> Doesn't that seem a little overly simple? ;)

Naming> I could see clans, especially in the modern age, developing names without direct human influence. A clan like the London clan is probably subject to a lot of indirect human influence, through books, TV, etc, and I could see younger gargoyles absorbing some of that, maybe to the point of picking out names as the Manhattan clan did.

Katana may have a name when Brooklyn meets her. If tengu were known for teaching humans bushido, they may have had frequent contact with humans in the feudal era in Japan. Tengu may have taken names to make life easier for the humans. Or katana could be an exception to the rule like Goliath. I think it's also going to be interesting to see if there's a particular reason she wields one or more katana when most gargoyles generally don't carry weapons. Did tengu in the feudal period use weapons more often? Did they start learning them so they could more effectively train humans? Or is Katana unique in that respect? Is she maybe compensating for something, the way Hudson's sword helps him compensate for his advanced age?

Fu-Dog's name may not actually be an individual having the name of the species. "Fu-Dog" may be what humans call Chinese gargoyle beasts, but it may not be the gargoyle word for them. It could even be a misunderstanding; "Fu-Dog" could be a very popular name for Chinese garg beasts (assuming they have names), leading humans to the misconception that "Fu-Dog" is the name of the whole species. I'm guessing either Brooklyn gets Fu-Dog before his first mating cycle or Fu-Dog doesn't have a mate (due to early death or unavailability of females), as I'm guessing he wouldn't leave with Brooklyn if he had one.

Greg W has said that the path of the Phoenix Gate through time and locations is like the journey of the skiff; there's a purpose to each stop Brooklyn makes. It may not be as spelled out as the fact that "Avalon sends you where you need to be", but something - a force within the Gate, fate, destiny, divine powers, whatever - is making the Gate's trip through time more purposeful than random. So there's definitely a reason for Brook, Katana, and Fu-Dog ending up in 1978. It could be when Brooklyn drops off Mary and Finella, assuming there's nothing to contradict that. But it could be that the egg itself is the reason. We know that gargoyles are very tied into the biological rhythms of the earth, so it's not unimaginable that it might be difficult - if not impossible - for an egg to hatch outside of a hatching year. (I'm not really taking Avalon into account here, as that involves too much math.) So maybe the Gate had to bring Brooklyn and family to 1978 in order for the egg to hatch.
Demonskrye - [demonskrye(at)gmail(dot)com]
posted @ Tue, Feb 26, 2008 8:52:32 am EST from 209.6.248.33

gxb - thx for the link.

I prefer the world way back when it was simple yes/no answers to questions; hence my signature. However, there are too many questions where the simple answer of yes/no, true/false can't work.
dph_of_rules
Whatever happenned to simplicity?
posted @ Tue, Feb 26, 2008 8:20:39 am EST from 98.20.176.131

Most of the time, it's really NOT a good thing to be simple.

122 days left until The Gathering 2008 in Chicago, Illinois!
Patrick - [<-- The Gathering 2008]
"Rednecks think 'mutual funds' means *everyone* is having a good time." - Jeff Foxworthy
posted @ Tue, Feb 26, 2008 6:53:02 am EST from 76.205.90.21

Asatira: I just watched Pendragon, and I'm pretty sure that the fake sword and the real one were identical. The only way King Arthur could tell them apart was by holding it.

Video Interviews: I like the little plug by Josh Keaton for Gargoyles. :) I'm looking forward to this.
Samuel - [AnglOfHellO at AOL dot com]
Noodles, anyone?
posted @ Tue, Feb 26, 2008 3:02:43 am EST from 68.34.84.220

Video interview with a few cast and crew members of "The Spectacular Spider-Man"

Interviews in-order of appearence:

Michael Vogel - Director of Animated Programming at Sony Television
Josh Keaton - Voice of Spider-Man / Peter Parker
Greg Weisman - Supervising Producer / Story Editor / Showrunner
Victor Cook - Producer / Supervising Director / Supervising Producer
Sean "Cheeks" Galloway - Lead Character Designer
Ben Diskin - Voice of Eddie Brock / Venom

http://enewsi.com/news.php?itemid=12778

Check it out.
Greg Bishansky
"February is Black History Month. Now, I don't see race. People tell me I'm white and I believe them because police officers call me 'Sir,'" -Stephen Colbert
posted @ Tue, Feb 26, 2008 12:37:28 am EST from 75.56.245.4

I've got a random and very quick question. I'm working on the anthology for the Gathering this year, and one artifact I volunteered to do art for is Excalibur. I've got a ref of the fake sword. Question: did the real Excalibur look like the fake? If it didn't, can someone get me a screenshot of the real one?
Asatira - [gostowl at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Mon, Feb 25, 2008 11:46:38 pm EST from 75.143.83.91

Samuel> Good point about names. As for Brook and Katana's third. There is nothing THAT WE KNOW OF that would prevent them from having a third egg at the same time Broadway and Angela are having their first in 2008, but Greg won't talk about it, so who knows? A lot can happen in the ten years after the Timedance ends.
Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age! Between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!!!" - Macbeth, "City of Stone"
posted @ Mon, Feb 25, 2008 10:52:21 pm EST from 24.207.160.51

Simplicity: LoL. Simplicity is often under-rated. I still can't help but wonder if he plans to stick with that date. But, I suppose it's no more concrete than any unpublished information.

There's no reason we know about that prevent Brooklyn and Katana from laying a third egg in... 2008? I really want the clan to grow as much as it can ("realistically").
Samuel - [AnglOfHellO at AOL dot com]
Noodles, anyone?
posted @ Mon, Feb 25, 2008 10:06:46 pm EST from 68.34.84.220

Matt & Samuel - I have a very simple reason for Greg Weisman putting Nashville's hatching birthday in 1977. It's not just about keeping him age-wise in sinc with other gargoyles around the world, it's about simplicity. Once Nashville returns from timedancing, his biological age will match his chronological age which makes calculating his age simple. Simplicity is a good thing.
dph_of_rules
Whatever happenned to simplicity?
posted @ Mon, Feb 25, 2008 9:58:54 pm EST from 98.20.246.23

With all the Nessie-hunters about after 1933, I think that the Loch Ness clan might have some difficulty staying hidden. But they've probably got ways of dealing with that.
Todd Jensen
Gargoyles - did for monstrous-looking statues what "Watership Down" did for rabbits!
posted @ Mon, Feb 25, 2008 9:43:15 pm EST from 4.244.213.162

Names: To be fair, most names mean something. Matt, for instance comes from Hebrew and means "Gift from God" or some jazz like that. My name (also Hebrew) means "God has heard", or some such. Greg comes from Latin and more or less means friendly. So we've got religious names and names of characteristics. Then there are names like Norman, which comes from a place name. ... I don't really know why I launched into that, but I'm fairly sure my point was that the gargoyles naming practice (thus far) doesn't seem overly different from human traditions. *is a dork* I <3 etymology.

Anyhow...

Hm. Greg did say that Nashville hatched in 1978. I find that odd. Or not really odd, but very coincidental. I mean, Nashville could have hatched at any point in history or in the future (I assume), yet he hatches in the year that he "would have" hatched in in order to be the age he'd be upon joining the Manhattan clan. Odd...
Samuel - [AnglOfHellO at AOL dot com]
Noodles, anyone?
posted @ Mon, Feb 25, 2008 9:35:39 pm EST from 68.34.84.220

I think the naming of Katana, Fu-Dog, Nashville and Tachi will all be very interesting tales. I also have thought that Nashville will be hatched in Nashville, TN and will receive his name from his parents because it echoes Brook being named after a place. Greg has said that Nash will hatch in 1978, which means he'll be exactly intune with his peers around the world when he returns with Brooklyn (meaning despite his Timedancing, he'll be the same age as all the other gargoyles hatched in 1978). It really makes me wonder what Brook, Fu-Dog and Katana might've been doing in Nashville in 1978.

As for the Loch Ness Clan keeping themselves hidden, keep in mind that Loch Ness is a huge lake and parts of it are largely devoid of much human activity. I'm sure the Loch ness Clan doesn't have too much of a problem hiding. And afterall, if the London Clan can hide for centuries, the Loch Ness Clan shouldn't have a problem.

I have another hypothesis about clans and naming, actually two more.
I think that the only members of the London Clan that use names were the shopkeepers, and they only used names that were very basic and reflected their appearances. This could mean that the two gargoyles seen in #7 have no names and Lex could be naming the male Amp or something.
My other thought is that Brooklyn might've introduced the idea of individual gargoyles using names to the Ishimura Clan. Maybe he was the first garg they met that had a name and took up the idea, starting with Katana. Their names in 1996 are still just names of things (Sora=Sky, Yama=Mountain, etc). It's not like their names are words that are just names (like Matt or Greg or Todd).
In fact, most of the gargs we know about with names are named after places, objects, etc.
Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age! Between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!!!" - Macbeth, "City of Stone"
posted @ Mon, Feb 25, 2008 8:28:51 pm EST from 24.207.160.51

Loch Ness Clan: It's possible that every time a gargoyle of the clan was spotted, people dismissed it as a seal/otter/other marine animal, or thought it was a Loch Ness Monster.

Clan Ishimura: We do know from "Bushido" that gargoyles of feudal Japan were samurai. So we know a little. (This is me being a smart-alec, apparently)

I'm wondering if the designs of Gargoyles from Ishimura will be consistent with the TV animators' designs (extra/lacking digits), or if they'll match the more "traditional" numbers. (ex: four digits on each limb)

*babbles* I should probably do my homework...
Samuel - [AnglOfHellO at AOL dot com]
Noodles, anyone?
posted @ Mon, Feb 25, 2008 7:38:32 pm EST from 68.34.84.220

I actually wonder if Katana will even have a name when we first meet her. All the name-using clans that we know of tend to be modern ones who've been interacting with humanity for centuries. Plus we don't really know what the Ishimura Clans relations with the local humans were like in the feudal Japan

While we're on the subject of the international clans, does anyone else here think that the Loch Ness Clan must be super-secretive? Considering that they live in one of the biggest tourist spots on the planet, they must be freaking ninjas to avoid being exposed to humanity for so long. Any ideas on how they manage it?

P.S. If anyone here follows the Eurovision Song Contest, you might want to check out the Republic of Ireland's entry for this year by clicking on my name. Rarely have I been so proud to be an Irishman.
Algernon
"The fact that Dustin is a turkey should give Ireland the edge" -Bob Geldof's Prediction for Eurovision 2008
posted @ Mon, Feb 25, 2008 7:03:41 pm EST from 83.71.99.75

It makes sense. Brooklyn picks her up from feudal Japan, and they said in "Bushido" that the Japanese gargoyles once fought alongside the samurai.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75 at gmail dot com]
"Do not imagine that you will save yourself, Winston, however completely you surrender to us. No one who has once gone astray is ever spared. And even if we chose to let you live out the natural term of your life, still you would never escape from us." -O'Brien ("1984")
posted @ Mon, Feb 25, 2008 6:38:27 pm EST from 71.62.198.251

Rebel : Well, looks like I was wrong. Just ran through the Ask Greg search engine and found this.

Question received on Wed, July 30, 2003 09:13:36 PM
Gothic Cowboy writes...
Good day. I just have a quick question concerning the character of Katana , Brooklyn's mate. Would she have actually utilized a katana , or was her name meant to be a metaphor (as in: She struck with the fury of a katana )?

Greg responds...
Both.

Response recorded on March 03, 2005
Spen
posted @ Mon, Feb 25, 2008 5:38:26 pm EST from 66.43.205.110

Spen > Perhaps not, but I could have swore I heard someone mentioning that Greg had said that.

It's still a pretty good assumption though (after all, why would her clan just randomly give members weapon names for no reason?), but nonetheless, assumptions ought not be treated as fact. Thank you for pointing this out.
Rebel
posted @ Mon, Feb 25, 2008 5:08:27 pm EST from 24.227.200.138

Rebel : Do we actually *know* that Katana is going to be a katana wielder? Sure, Sata was, and it certainly make sense, but I don't think I've ever heard Greg saying that.
Spen
posted @ Mon, Feb 25, 2008 4:14:02 pm EST from 66.43.205.110

Greg> Annie Hall was boring. "Wolves" made me cry.
Battle Beast - [Canada]
That is all I will say.
posted @ Mon, Feb 25, 2008 4:12:40 pm EST from 75.156.180.163

Matt > I do not disagree with you. I don't necessarily outright agree, but that's definitely sound logic and probably a good possibility.

There are other possibilities, however.

Maybe Fu-Dog's real name is something lengthy, or difficult to pronounce, and Fu-Dog is a nickname. Or, maybe Brooklyn gets Fu-Dog when Fu-Dog is REALLY young, and he doesn't have a name yet.

I tend to think that if naming arose naturally within a gargoyle clan, they probably wouldn't arbitrarily assign names at birth/hatching the way humans do--I've always felt they'd wait a little while and give that hatchling a name that actually FIT that individual. I have NO basis whatsoever for this assumption, but nonetheless I thought I'd share.

(Well...I suppose I do have SOME basis--Katana, Nashville, and Tachi's names. We know Katana will wield katanas, and I'm betting Tachi will use tachis. Somehow I doubt Katana and Brooklyn just randomly decided to call their firstborn "Nashville"--it is probably where he was hatched/conceived, or maybe has something to do with his personality).

Anyway, like I said, I don't disagree, I'm just throwing out some other possibilities.
Rebel
posted @ Mon, Feb 25, 2008 2:46:36 pm EST from 76.165.34.118

Did anyone go see Greg at Wondercon and have a report of what they saw or learned?
(The Gargoyles Pulse - updated Mondays)
Anthony Tini
posted @ Mon, Feb 25, 2008 2:43:15 pm EST from 159.240.11.254

A random prediction: The Xanadu Clan does not use names. Their isolation from humanity tends to support their more traditional ways and besides, why would Fu-Dog be named Fu-Dog. That is like Brooklyn returning from his Timedance and his mate being named Tengu. I think Brook or someone gave Fu-Dog his name after he joined Brook. I don't think he was named by the Xanadu Clan, and that leads me to think the Xanadu Clan as a whole doesn't use names.
Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age! Between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!!!" - Macbeth, "City of Stone"
posted @ Mon, Feb 25, 2008 10:18:42 am EST from 24.207.160.51

Matt - http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?rid=733 - On Monday February 11, Greg Weisman said issue #8 was sent to Disney late the previous week. Friday of the previous week was February 8. On February 29, issue #8 will have been at Disney for pretty close to 4 weeks. If Disney approves it by the end of this week, it would still be March 11 before it gets released if I understand things correctly. Right now, I don't plan on changing any of my answers for Ed's gargoyles 2008 prediction competition. Given Greg's current workload and the delays we've had this year in getting the comics, I really don't believe Pendragon issue #1 will come out this year.

Ed - I apologize for not sending emails out last week. Processing so many bad returns at once drained me out leaving me to ponder how many I should be sending out a time.
dph_of_rules
Whatever happenned to simplicity?
posted @ Mon, Feb 25, 2008 9:40:34 am EST from 98.20.246.23

Ah, thanks. I guess I read through DPH's post too quickly. Well, here's hoping...
Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age! Between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!!!" - Macbeth, "City of Stone"
posted @ Mon, Feb 25, 2008 8:19:05 am EST from 24.207.160.51

Matt> DPH said, "I don't expect...". So, we'll find out for certain later today. But like we've seen before the "Expected" comics at Diamond's website don't always make it to the "Shipping" comics page. The Gargoyles Pulse will be updated with any info later today.
(The Gargoyles Pulse - updated Mondays)
Anthony Tini
posted @ Mon, Feb 25, 2008 8:07:14 am EST from 70.15.84.29

And on we go with the show! (Did I say that right?)

DPH> So #8 is coming out on March 5th?
Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age! Between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!!!" - Macbeth, "City of Stone"
posted @ Mon, Feb 25, 2008 7:51:11 am EST from 24.207.160.51

10! first time ever!
chris
why do we build castles in the sky?
posted @ Mon, Feb 25, 2008 6:37:40 am EST from 66.211.201.24

Nine.
bluewyvern
"Attend the petty jealousies and angers that prey upon your heart."
posted @ Mon, Feb 25, 2008 5:48:52 am EST from 69.112.108.43

(8) Eight still rocks!
Vinnie - [tpeano29 at hotmail dot com]
It's silly. It's a silly movie. There just isn't much there. Once you take it all apart, there's not much story, is there?- George Lucas on Spider-Man 3
posted @ Mon, Feb 25, 2008 5:44:20 am EST from 69.54.209.104

Greg B. : While I'm not sure I'd go so far as to call "Dances With Wolves" 'a piece of carp', I certainly agree that by no means did it deserve best picture. Heck, I don't think it should even have been nominated. However, I've seen far too many *truly* bad movies to call it one.
Spen
posted @ Mon, Feb 25, 2008 4:46:54 am EST from 66.43.205.110

7th!!

Thank goodness this week is a little slow so far. Incidently, I don't expect the diamond's upcoming releases page - http://www.previewsworld.com/public/default.asp?t=1&m=1&c=6&s=449&ai=0 - to say that the next comic is coming out March 5.
dph_of_rules
Whatever happenned to simplicity?
posted @ Mon, Feb 25, 2008 3:53:54 am EST from 98.20.246.23

sorry for the double post. That first 'week' was supposed to be 'way'.
KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra_582 at hotmail dot com]
Grr. Arg.
posted @ Mon, Feb 25, 2008 2:58:44 am EST from 75.42.221.220

6th.

Damn, this place is slow. Not a good week to start the new week.
KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra_582 at hotmail dot com]
Grr. Arg.
posted @ Mon, Feb 25, 2008 2:57:34 am EST from 75.42.221.220

Yes, "Dances With Wolves" was a piece of crap.

And how can you hate "Annie Hall"? I love that movie. Deserved it's Best Picture, rightfully beating out that other movie that people still complain to this day that didn't win that year.
Greg Bishansky
"February is Black History Month. Now, I don't see race. People tell me I'm white and I believe them because police officers call me 'Sir,'" -Stephen Colbert
posted @ Mon, Feb 25, 2008 1:18:11 am EST from 75.56.245.4

Fourth!
Spen
posted @ Mon, Feb 25, 2008 12:43:22 am EST from 66.43.205.110

GREB B.> I agree with your list of best pics except:

All About Eve (aweful)
Casablanca (One of my favs)
On the Waterfront (Terrific)
Godfather (Terriffic)
Godfather II (Terriffic)
Annie Hall (Terrible)
Gandhi (Exceptional)
Shakespeare In Love (robbed Private Ryan)
American Beauty (Great)
Return of the King (terriffic)
The Departed (Terriffic)

And Dances With Wolves... did you see it? WAY better than Goodfellas. (Although, I will admit that I love Goodfellas.)

I was Pulling for Johnny Depp. But Day-Lewis was Brilliant, and so was Javier Bardem.

Congrats to the Coens, as well.
Battle Beast - [Canada]
That is all I will say.
posted @ Mon, Feb 25, 2008 12:29:03 am EST from 75.156.180.163

Third!!! I am about to update my website with OScar stuff, sooo...

www.geocities.com/oscarmovs
Battle Beast - [Canada]
That is all I will say.
posted @ Mon, Feb 25, 2008 12:24:31 am EST from 75.156.180.163

2nd
Vicky82 - [Vickyfanofwwe at aol dot com]
posted @ Mon, Feb 25, 2008 12:05:47 am EST from 64.12.117.134

1ST!!!
Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age! Between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!!!" - Macbeth, "City of Stone"
posted @ Mon, Feb 25, 2008 12:00:21 am EST from 24.207.160.51