We have been working on the convention's schedule over the past week and we'll post it just as soon as we can. :)
Patrick - [<-- The Gathering 2008]
"And then kids eat chocolate eggs because the color of the chocolate and the color of the wood on the cross... Well you tell me! It's got nothing to do with it, has it?" - Eddie Izzard, "Dress to Kill"
posted @ Sun, Mar 23, 2008 10:43:48 pm EDT from 76.227.128.154

Agrippa - Check the gathering website for a schedule of the list of events. If the schedule isn't up, then it's not completed.
dph_of_rules
Whatever happenned to simplicity?
posted @ Sun, Mar 23, 2008 10:03:56 pm EDT from 98.20.236.179

Remember the nice Garg eggs Roy & Kiva painted up a number of years ago. I saved the picture somewhere. one of these days I'll have to organize my Garg pictures.
Wingless
posted @ Sun, Mar 23, 2008 9:43:15 pm EDT from 99.245.254.123

Hello I just signed up for the gathering and I was wondering what time each of the events starts on? Like what time does everything commence on friday, June 27? Thus when should I get there. What time is the banquet, radio play, etc?
Agrippa - [icefang_001 at yahoo dot com]
Grendel ate their livers, with some fava beans and a nice Mead!
posted @ Sun, Mar 23, 2008 9:00:11 pm EDT from 98.227.89.128

Happy Easter!

96 days left until The Gathering 2008 in Chicago, Illinois!
Patrick - [<-- The Gathering 2008]
"And then kids eat chocolate eggs because the color of the chocolate and the color of the wood on the cross... Well you tell me! It's got nothing to do with it, has it?" - Eddie Izzard, "Dress to Kill"
posted @ Sun, Mar 23, 2008 8:42:56 pm EDT from 76.227.128.154

Happy Easter, everyone!

(I sometimes wonder what gargoyles must think of all the things that humans do with eggs this time of year.)
Todd Jensen
Gargoyles - did for monstrous-looking statues what "Watership Down" did for rabbits!
posted @ Sun, Mar 23, 2008 6:11:35 pm EDT from 4.245.20.119

I've given this a lot of thought. Until I can see Jonny at a Gathering, and cut him open to determine once and for all that he's a replicant, I think he's just a troll. The best thing to do is pretend he doesn't exist.

WARNING: SSM SPOILERS

I have to say that I'm getting more and more impressed with this show. It's amusing, because the only other thing I know Alan Rachins from was as the voice of my least favorite villain from Batman: TAS (The Clock King. I liked The Nostradamus knock-off from the episode "Prophecy of Doom" more than Tempal Fugate). In this cartoon, he's perfect as Norman Osborn. We've really only seen a few scenes between him and his son, and they're always short, but the scenes convey perfectly what a demanding father Norman is, and how Peter Parker is probably the person he wishes his Harry were more like. It largely has to do with Rachins's delivery.

And now he's involved with the Big Man. I'm starting to get an idea on where Doctor Octopus might come from. But I also can't help but wonder if anything he creates might grow beyond his control. Men of power in most fictional universes enjoy following that trend.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75 at gmail dot com]
"Though I've never understood how God could expect his creatures to pick the one true religion by faith - it strikes me as a sloppy way to run a universe." -Jubal Harshaw ("Stranger In a Strange Land")
posted @ Sun, Mar 23, 2008 2:59:10 pm EDT from 71.62.198.251

Phoenician >> Wow... That was...interesting (and funny)... Poor double cheeseburger... o.O''

You have to admit, Jonny is persistant. The problem is it's being sent in the wrong direction...
The One Known As Mochi - [shogi dot keima dot 08 at gmail dot com]
Current Mood: (>T.T)> ...
posted @ Sun, Mar 23, 2008 2:32:55 pm EDT from 72.199.221.104

I'd like to start by wishing a happy Easter to those who cerebrate it and to those that don't, have a great day anyway. Now lets talk Spidey...

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Market Forces

Another solid episode with a lot of different threads running through it. We start getting to know J. Johna Jameson and he's a lot of fun, I especially liked the whole hyperactive 'perpetually ten minutes to deadline' attitude they gave him. Interestingly this incarnation of ole Jolly Jonah doesn't seem to be particularly Anti-Spidey, I don't know if they've completely dropped it or if they're going to incorporate it later.

Also returning are Flint Marko and Alex O'Hirn AKA the future Sandman and Rhino respectively. You know I'm just visualising a scene where Peter stumbles across Marko in the middle of a heist, lets off a quip to the effect of "come on Marko, how many times do I have to whoop your ass?" only to be smacked down by a giant sand hammer. O'Hirn's "ram him with a truck" move is a very Rhino-esque tactic, nice bit of foreshadowing.

When I first heard that Shocker wasn't going to be Herman Schultz I was a little weirded out but this episode erased all my doubts. Montana makes for a pretty charismatic villain with warped sense of honor. by the way, how weird is it to see the bad guy espousing the Moral of The Day(TM)?

We also meet Betty Brant and Robbie Robertson, I'd guessed that Randy from Peter's school was indeed his son but it's nice to have confirmation. big shout out to Phil LaMarr who managed to make father and son sound both reminiscent yet distinctive. Some nice interaction between Pete and Betty but is he trying to get the poor women tossed in jail.

Norman Osborn gets some nice development in this episode, teaming up with the Big Man to set up a sort of Supervillians'R'Us. That's what sets Osborn apart from Spidey's other rogues. Take away Vulture's wing and he's just a bitter old man. Take away Electro's lightning and he's just the school handyman. Take away Venom's symbiont and he's just a dweeb with a persecution complex. But take away Green Goblin's Glider and Pumpkin Bombs and he can still make your life a living hell as plain old Norman Osborn.
Algernon
"You know what the chain of command is? It's the chain I go get and beat you with 'til you understand who's in ruttin' command here" -Jayne Cobb
posted @ Sun, Mar 23, 2008 8:40:48 am EDT from 159.134.96.7

Why has the Big Man been recast so soon? I suppose it's better to do it now before Keith David was too established in the role. Can't wait for Spectacular to reach the UK.

Re: Johnny -- He may have some kind of brain damage or special needs. My brother fixates on things and is incredibly repetitive in a similar way. Hopefully Todd now has plenty of past answers to use.
Ed
posted @ Sun, Mar 23, 2008 8:24:45 am EDT from 213.187.39.61

Algernon: Like this?

"Hi, McDonald's Cashier,

If I have enough money in my wallet, I would very much like to get a Double-cheeseburger with no onions because if I were to spend my money to get the double-cheeseburger I have been waiting so patiently for then I would be satisified until dinner time. Thank you."

On a more sane note: Happy Easter!
Phoenician
"The Suspense is Terrible . . . I Hope it Lasts" -- Willy Wonka
posted @ Sun, Mar 23, 2008 4:59:54 am EDT from 157.242.218.165

Weird thing about Jonny Modlin's latesy Ralph Wiggumism, is that it's not even a real question, he's just repeating information that Greg already knows. Has Modlin ever posted anything that isn't just a parroting of this same point. does he do this in real life?
Algernon
"You know what the chain of command is? It's the chain I go get and beat you with 'til you understand who's in ruttin' command here" -Jayne Cobb
posted @ Sun, Mar 23, 2008 4:43:43 am EDT from 159.134.96.7

Happy Easter, everyone!
Spen
posted @ Sun, Mar 23, 2008 1:10:08 am EDT from 66.43.205.68

Johnny Modlin> He's at it again?!

*forehead palms*

Oy.
KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra_582 at hotmail dot com]
Grr. Arg.
posted @ Sun, Mar 23, 2008 1:00:59 am EDT from 75.60.222.155

Guess who resubmitted a question:

**Ask Greg related**


Jonny Modlin writes...

Hi Greg,
If sales are good for the first two DVD sets of Gargoyles Season 1 and Season 2, Volume 1, Disney may release Gargoyles Season 2, Volume 2 on DVD that will contain the final 26 episodes with the uncut versions along with special features that I will get to complete the entire series of Gargoyles on DVD! I know that I am keeping my fingers crossed and waiting very patiently for Gargoyles Season 2, Volume 2 to get released on DVD. Thank you.

**End Ask Greg related**

Todd - Can you just delete the aforementioned question or quote the answer to get it out of the way?
dph_of_rules
Whatever happenned to simplicity?
posted @ Sun, Mar 23, 2008 12:47:59 am EDT from 98.20.236.179

TSS-M SPOILERS
**************

I liked the "clothes make the man" line by Shocker. It definitely reminded me of "Leader of the Pack". I wonder if Greg does it intentially or if the show is already writing itself so to speak. Then emotional ending the money made the episode for me.
(The Gargoyles Pulse - updated Mondays)
Anthony Tini
posted @ Sat, Mar 22, 2008 10:02:02 pm EDT from 70.15.84.59

Yeah, it is surprising about how many things in the comics we already knew about one way or another. Of course, there have been loads of surprises as well.
Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age! Between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!!!" - Macbeth, "City of Stone"
posted @ Sat, Mar 22, 2008 7:49:32 pm EDT from 70.246.143.82

I hadn't known about Keith David no longer voicing the Big Man; pity, since he did such a fine job (and his voice has so much presence).

I hadn't expected Greg to include the catacombs scene, but it's exactly the kind of thing that he would do. It's clear enough where Xanatos got his "I never waste anything" outlook from that he displayed in "Cloud Fathers".
Todd Jensen
Gargoyles - did for monstrous-looking statues what "Watership Down" did for rabbits!
posted @ Sat, Mar 22, 2008 7:32:38 pm EDT from 4.244.213.44

I like that Greg is taking the catacombs scene and re-incorporating it into the series. We no longer have Charles going down there, just his kids, but I think that makes it all the more scary. I've always found the whole Demona vs. Hunters in the catacombs thing to be very chilling and cool. I can't wait to read the dialogue.
Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age! Between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!!!" - Macbeth, "City of Stone"
posted @ Sat, Mar 22, 2008 5:47:28 pm EDT from 70.246.143.82

Antiyonder here at the library again. Checked out "The Adventures Of Tin Tin Volume 1 and 4", "Buffy The Vampire Slayer Omnibus Volume 1-2" (I'll admit I haven't seen the show and could use some information on when to catch it) and Castle In The Sky (Anime).

Greg B> I was pretty sure myself on that. Just thought I'd double check.

Have to say that I agreed with Norman (like most did on this scene) about advising Harry on responsibility.
Anonymous
posted @ Sat, Mar 22, 2008 5:34:35 pm EDT from 66.225.14.190

Antiyonder> I think the episode made Rand's identity as Robbie's son crystal clear.

*** SPECTACULAR SPOILERS ***

Another terrific episode. I really enjoyed Greg's take on the Shocker, and making him Montana really works in the context of the series. As I've said before, who's Herman Schultz? Who cares?

Lots of pipe laying here. Sandman and Rhino both, plus a lot of foreshadowing on where Norman Osborn is going.

The Big Man is no longer voiced by Keith David, unfortunately. Kevin Michael Richardson is a decent substitute, but I can't help but miss Keith. There's a certain quality to his voice work that Richardson can't quite capture.

Aunt May wants to introduce Peter the neighbor's niece, Mary Jane Watson. She has a "terrific personality". Naturally, Peter shudders.

"Don't go emo on me, bro."
- Eddie Brock to Peter. I'm guessing Eddie's seen "Spider-Man 3"

*** SPECTACULAR SPOILERS ***
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The Twelfth Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"Is that not the perfect visual image of life and death? A fish flapping on the carpet, and a fish not flapping on the carpet." - Bill AKA Snake Charmer
posted @ Sat, Mar 22, 2008 3:02:16 pm EDT from 75.56.245.4

Greg's mentioned before that he intends to use characters from the comics for Spectacular Spider-Man rather than going with newly created ones. That said, given the mention of Robertson's son on today's episode, I'm guessing that one particular jock is Randy Robertson. Anyone else think so.
Antiyonder
posted @ Sat, Mar 22, 2008 1:36:27 pm EDT from 68.118.221.111

Hey all, tentative good news for #8 being released this week. I ordered #7 online from midtown back in December and ever since they've sent me a weekly newsletter with the upcoming week's new releases. #8 wasn't on it last week despite being listed on Diamond, but it IS on it this week. So that's something of a positive sign, although I would still be cautious. But still. Here's hoping!
Meg
posted @ Sat, Mar 22, 2008 12:53:21 pm EDT from 72.79.195.245

In the Radio Play version of "Hunter's Moon Part Three", which I heard at the 2001 Gathering, Demona's battle with Charles Canmore was expanded. It started at Notre Dame, but wound up heading into the Catacombs, with the Canmore children following; Demona killed Charles in the Catacombs rather than at the cathedral.

* SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN SPOILERS *

Very good episode, with a lot of humor (especially J. Jonah Jameson's characterization - as well as poor Spidey having a tough time getting the garbage smell off him, and Peter's response towards Mary Jane having "a great personality"). I enjoyed its continuing portrayal of how Peter Parker runs into trouble because of his Spider-Man activities - now Harry's upset with him as well. And now we have an alliance between Norman Osborn and the Big Man - that certainly should lead into some great episodes.

* SPOILERS END *
Todd Jensen
posted @ Sat, Mar 22, 2008 12:30:33 pm EDT from 198.209.226.130

I found today's TDIGUH amusing. So I guess all Terrans are going to turn French in the next 200 years.

Tony: I've been having sound issues with my TV, not to mention the fact that for some reason, it's not listed on the WB lineup down here. I've been keeping up by subscribing to a youtube user who usually posts them the day after.

You need to watch them quick, though. They usually get pulled after twenty-four hours.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75 at gmail dot com]
"Though I've never understood how God could expect his creatures to pick the one true religion by faith - it strikes me as a sloppy way to run a universe." -Jubal Harshaw ("Stranger In a Strange Land")
posted @ Sat, Mar 22, 2008 12:29:15 pm EDT from 71.62.198.251

BG #3 looks great.

My $#@!$@# DVR didn't record the new Spider-man. Please mark your spoilers accordingly. Thanks. :)
(The Gargoyles Pulse - updated Mondays)
Anthony Tini
posted @ Sat, Mar 22, 2008 11:56:13 am EDT from 70.15.84.29

Bad Guys Isuue #3 Preview> POTENTIAL FOR SPOILERS! BEWARE!


I'm pretty happy with how these pages are looking. The inking in particular is a lot bolder and more striking than in the first issue and I think it's going to help the comic "read" better as a black and white book. An lots of nice skulls as well, which isn't the easiest thing in the world to draw. I like the bit on page 10 with Jon hesitating in the doorway to the catacombs and Robyn apparently having to yell at him and then take his hand for him to go. It's a nice little indication of his character.

Stationess> I don't recall reading about any plans to show more of the death of the Canmores' father than what ended up in the final episode. I think this is just an original expansion on what we saw in the show, but I could be wrong.
Demonskrye - [demonskrye(at)gmail(dot)com]
posted @ Sat, Mar 22, 2008 7:56:21 am EDT from 209.6.248.33

*mini-spoilers*

Bad Guys #3: oh my gosh, that's scary! wasn't that scene cut from Hunter's Moon before it was televised?

other news.. got my garg shirt yesterday.. it was funny that seller wondered why they didn't sell the shirts at the Disney Store.. I replied sarcastically,.. "oh yeah, they'd go great with the Princess and Pooh stuff there :p"

Wednesday hurry up! *pouts*..

I need to make my own Phoenix Gate :)
Starlioness
posted @ Sat, Mar 22, 2008 7:25:03 am EDT from 24.18.247.8

I'm looking forward to every issue of both series'. Every issue released has been fun and worth the wait. Wednesday can't come soon enough, as well as the other release dates!
Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age! Between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!!!" - Macbeth, "City of Stone"
posted @ Fri, Mar 21, 2008 9:40:26 pm EDT from 69.44.6.103

Thanks for the link, Brigadoon Traveler. I'm looking forward to "Bad Guys" #3 all the more after seeing those pages. (And I think that the best part is that they aren't heavy spoilers - they merely enhance what we already know about from the series

* SPOILERS BELOW *

The Canmore trio's witnessing Demona killing their father at Notre Dame

* SPOILERS END *

rather than revealing anything drastically new.)
Todd Jensen
Gargoyles - did for monstrous-looking statues what "Watership Down" did for rabbits!
posted @ Fri, Mar 21, 2008 8:26:10 pm EDT from 4.244.208.31

In the wait for the gargoyles #8 (and bg#2) look what I found; preview pages for Bad guys #3. SPOILER WARNING: http://gargoylescomic.blogspot.com/2008/03/bad-guys-3-preview-pages.html All I can say is whoa!
brigadoon_traveller
posted @ Fri, Mar 21, 2008 7:56:13 pm EDT from 78.149.80.246

Mochi - Thanks, I didn't catch that one. That wasn't listed in the Avalon Clan section, but I see it listed in Gargoyle Universe Chronology. Also, we're rapidly approaching April 7th the 1 year anniversary of TDIGUH.
dph_of_rules
Whatever happenned to simplicity?
posted @ Fri, Mar 21, 2008 7:01:21 pm EDT from 98.20.215.133

dph >> Greg did a rambling back in 2006 regarding that matter... It's below...

Rambled on Mon, August 14, 2006
CHRONOLOGY REVISED

In the wake of completing the script to issue #3 of the comic book, I decided to take a careful look at my Gargoyles Timeline.

I wound up doing a whole new draft of the document. (It's now 249 pages long.) I actually incorporated some corrections suggested here at ASK GREG by folks like Aris and Matt and Todd and Kathy. Aris, as a few of you may recall, pointed out an error in my math, that shifted Angela's hatching back to 1058 from 1078 . So I fixed that.

Other things have changed as well. BUT NOTHING CANON HAS CHANGED, i.e. nothing has changed from the first 65 episodes of the T.V. series or the first issue of the comic (or the second or third either, frankly -- though you guys haven't seen them yet). Even "The Last" (Team Atlantis episode featuring Demona and on view at Gatherings) is still holding its own. And I didn't change anything just for the sake of changing things -- not even to surprise you despite the spoilers I've already given out.

But some things have changed. So old info currently in the Archives at Ask Greg may or may not be dead on accurate now. But I think the biggest change is that 1058 thing. So nothing too major, change-wise. Lots of new stuff added. Hopefully fun stuff.

Just thought I should let you know.
The One Known As Mochi - [shogi dot keima dot 08 at gmail dot com]
Current Mood: (>**)> Sleep patterns shot to hell...
posted @ Fri, Mar 21, 2008 6:42:14 pm EDT from 72.199.221.104

Phil - I disagree with some of the conclusions on that time travel story. Hitler's disappearance would not have negated computers. There's still the factor of the US Census Bureau. The Census Bureau would need advanced machines to keep track of the growing size of the US population. We needed the Cold War to get the internet, though. If they really wanted to reshape history, go after Karl Marx.
dph_of_rules
Whatever happenned to simplicity?
posted @ Fri, Mar 21, 2008 6:01:30 pm EDT from 98.20.215.133

Phil> That was a fun read. Love how everyone keeps doing the same thing, and the way it concludes.
Asatira
posted @ Fri, Mar 21, 2008 4:34:23 pm EDT from 97.82.36.198

Guys, I'm confused about Greg's entry for This Day in Gargoyles Universe History. He states that the Avalon Clan hatched in 1058. But way back on March 4, 2002, Greg said that the Avalon clan was hatched in 1078 - http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=1687 . Does that mean he made a typo or has he changed his mind on when they hatched?
dph_of_rules
Whatever happenned to simplicity?
posted @ Fri, Mar 21, 2008 3:31:06 pm EDT from 98.20.215.133

Change of Topic - Time Travel> I saw this link at another messageboard I frequent, and thought it was really funny. (http://www.abyssandapex.com/200710-wikihistory.html) It's just another reason why I like the Gargoyles theory of time travel: History is immutable.
Phil - [p1anderson at go dot com]
posted @ Fri, Mar 21, 2008 10:27:52 am EDT from 134.215.196.82

I had a wierd dream about the London clan. Part of it was that things were very formal in titles.
dph_of_rules
Whatever happenned to simplicity?
posted @ Fri, Mar 21, 2008 9:48:07 am EDT from 98.20.215.133

I ordered two "Gargoyles" t-shirts from Hot Topic on March 11th and still haven't received them. How long does it take them to fill an order? I also ordered some stuff from Amazon.com the same day, standard ground shipping, and it was delivered by the following Wednesday.

98 days left until The Gathering 2008 in Chicago, Illinois!
Patrick - [<-- The Gathering 2008]
"I've got a fever, and the only cure is... MORE COWBELL." - Christopher Walken
posted @ Fri, Mar 21, 2008 6:51:57 am EDT from 76.205.90.236

Matt - It also be would be a good idea to go over the length of pregnancy on Avalon. Even if the gargoyle beasts are able to become pregnant, the length of term for that egg to be prepared to be laid is going to be long on Avalon.
dph_of_rules
Whatever happenned to simplicity?
posted @ Fri, Mar 21, 2008 3:08:37 am EDT from 98.20.215.133

Hey all. I just noticed on Hot Topic's website that there's a caption for the Garg shirt that says, "Buy this novelty tee and get a second novelty tee half off!" I checked to see if it worked on the Garg shirt and it did.

I guess now would be a good time to purchase two since that was my original intention. :D
The One Known As Mochi - [shogi dot keima dot 08 at gmail dot com]
Current Mood: (>**)> Sleep patterns shot to hell...
posted @ Fri, Mar 21, 2008 2:10:30 am EDT from 72.199.221.104

okay im getting really mad i was randomly up till like 6a.m. the other day and i swa GARGOYLES i was so excited you wouldnt even know!!!!! im now 15 and when i was like 8 i would watch the gargoyles all the time with my grandparents well now i see that its only on like way too early in the morning and ive been trying to find a way to contact toon disney. but anyway is there any other channel in the united states that shows more gargoyles??? please get back if you know at Clydstail1124@aol.com
alex - [Clydstail1124 at aol dot com]
alex P.S. I <3 GARGOYLES
posted @ Fri, Mar 21, 2008 2:09:26 am EDT from 64.12.117.134

PUSH, Angela! PUSH!!!

Hey people. I am really hating this lack of internet access thing. Hopefully soon i'll be back online on a regular basis.

Anyway, Adam. I'm going to go over the numbers concerning the eggs on Avalon next week. I'm pretty sure they are correct on the Wiki, but you could be right. I'll go over it and if it needs correcting, I'll do so and you'll get a big gold star.
As for your question about "The Rock", this might help you: http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=10168

Hope to see you guys soon, I should be getting internet at home soon... Ugh.
Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Let this mark the beginning of a Golden Age! Between all our clans, both Human and Gargoyle!!!" - Macbeth, "City of Stone"
posted @ Thu, Mar 20, 2008 11:53:09 pm EDT from 69.44.6.103

I was listening to one of a series of Shakespeare lectures on CD today (I'd gotten it for Christmas), about the role of Iago in "Othello". The lecturer, discussing the question over why Iago's engaged in all his scheming to convince Othello that Desdemona's unfaithful, mentions that in Shakespeare's sources, Iago lusts after Desdemona himself, though that aspect is either played down or omitted in the play. I immediately thought of the Coldtrio in "Gargoyles"; it looks as if Greg's gone back to "Othello"'s roots in his adaptation of it (which he's already done - in a different way - with "Macbeth").
Todd Jensen
Gargoyles - did for monstrous-looking statues what "Watership Down" did for rabbits!
posted @ Thu, Mar 20, 2008 7:49:46 pm EDT from 4.244.214.125

Anyone see Enchanted yet? There are two lines in the movie that remind me very much of Gargoyles

"What villainy is this?"

And a bit more obscure...after Giselle/Robert fall off the billboard/building. "Is this a big habit of your's? Falling off stuff?"
Siren
Don't knock on Death's door. Ring his doorbell and run, he hates that.
posted @ Thu, Mar 20, 2008 7:33:46 pm EDT from 65.33.45.29

Happy First Day of Spring!

I'm guessing that within the next day or two Angela will be laying Artus' egg. Also, you can wish every gargoyle you meet a happy hatchday, since gargoyle eggs all hatch on or around the spring equinox.
Phil - [p1anderson at go dot com]
posted @ Thu, Mar 20, 2008 9:34:21 am EDT from 134.215.196.82

Charisma> It isn't that uncommon for Disney TV cels to show up for sale from time to time. I have a cel and layout drawing I bought from Van Eaton Galleries a few years ago when they acquired a bunch of "Gargoyles" cels. My guess would be that these are authentic; I've seen that frame border on legitimate Disney cels before and it strikes me as rather unlikely that someone would go through the trouble of making that many fake cels for a show with a fan following that is not huge.
Demonskrye - [demonskrye(at)gmail(dot)com]
posted @ Thu, Mar 20, 2008 8:49:32 am EDT from 209.6.248.33

Charisma82 >> Sometimes art cels are sold at conventions, though not too often. Some cels would go for that much depending on what character is it, what pose they're in, etc. As for authenticity, you want to make sure you have a way of finding out if the authenticity is real. By that I mean you may have the certificate and the cel, but you also need to know if the certificate and the cel is real too. Just my thoughts...

By the way, this is The One Known As Mochi. I'm on a public computer and I can't save my info here...
Anonymous
posted @ Thu, Mar 20, 2008 12:21:04 am EDT from 67.101.237.11

I picked up my copy of the gargoyles trade volume 1 today. I found out that there are now *3* people ordering gargoyles comic from where I get mine. That's up from the previous 2. Nobody else has ordered the trade in my area, though.
dph_of_rules
Whatever happenned to simplicity?
posted @ Wed, Mar 19, 2008 6:09:45 pm EDT from 98.20.163.208

Todd- lol, I had a dream about reading gargoyles #8 last night too. I just vaguely remember that it was about Demona turning into a green alien while she was in some sort of glass chamber, and the book was half black and white/half color. I remember thinking that Greg W. must have lost his mind lol.
Purplegoldfish - [Skydragonn at aol dot com]
posted @ Wed, Mar 19, 2008 3:59:09 pm EDT from 69.183.103.113

I wasn't sure where else to ask this, so I'll post it here. I sometimes search through e-bay just to see what kind of Gargoyles stuff is being sold, and right now there's a boat load of production art cels from the show up for the buying. I was wondering how, whoever is selling these, got them in the first place. And I've also wondered if it is worth the money the buyer is asking for, to get the cels. I think most are going for about $200 or more. It comes with a certificate of authenticity, so I'd hope that they are the real deal. Does anyone else here know about all this & what's your thoughts?
Charisma82
"It's better to have a horrible ending than to have horrors without end."
posted @ Wed, Mar 19, 2008 3:15:41 pm EDT from 64.13.117.74

I'll have the McBeth value meal with large fries and a coke.
(The Gargoyles Pulse - updated Mondays)
Anthony Tini
posted @ Wed, Mar 19, 2008 1:40:46 pm EDT from 159.240.11.254

First of all, sorry about the bad spelling.
Second, Macbeth said that anyone, including Xanatos could try to take the stone. So that means Macbeth is expecting trouble.
Adam - [carl006_1999 at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Wed, Mar 19, 2008 1:10:21 pm EDT from 170.112.1.251

Adam> It's Macbeth. Not McBeth.

And what's this about tactics? For all they know, they're just helping to escort the Stone. Macbeth suggested the idea that others would try to grab it.

Also, Brooklyn, Angela and Broadway elected to stay home.
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The Twelfth Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"Is that not the perfect visual image of life and death? A fish flapping on the carpet, and a fish not flapping on the carpet." - Bill AKA Snake Charmer
posted @ Wed, Mar 19, 2008 11:52:18 am EDT from 75.56.245.4

I don't know if anyone else has mentioned this and I may not be exactly right because I don't have it right in front of me, but I noticed a minor mistake in Gargoyles #7. In one of the first pages, Goliath said that Brooklyn would lead Broadway, Angela, and Lexington to help McBeth. However, when we see Owen looking in on them and talking to Xanatos, he says something to the effect of "that's right, McBeth, Hudson, Angela, Broadway and Lexington". I don't know if those are the exact words, but Hudson is included in the list of Gargoyles going to Britian.
Also, in my opinion, from a tacticle standpoint, I would have sent Broadway and Angela to Britian with Hudson because that would give them better numbers to deal with anything and it still have left Lex and Brooklyn in Manhattan to patrol the city.
Adam - [carl006_1999 at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Wed, Mar 19, 2008 11:46:38 am EDT from 170.112.1.251

Greg B> "I'd hardly call Ultron and Kang B-List villains. If I had to list Marvel's A-List villains, it would include:

Dr. Doom; Magneto; The Red Skull; The Green Goblin; Ultron; Kang the Conqueror; Thanos; Dr. Octopus; Mephisto; The Kingpin; The Mandarin; and as much as I personally can't stand him, Venom"

I agree that this was true back when Marvel was primarily in the business of comics, in recent years however it seems to me that for Marvel's current regime, "A list" seems to equate to "has featured in big summer blockbuster". I'm guilty of this my self, my own litmus test of a comic characters A-List status seems to depend on how well known they are to the general non comic reading public, or how much exposure they've gotten in other media. Over the years Doom, Osborn and Magneto have featured heavily in various animated series and big budget movies. Ultron and Kang by contrast have one rather crappy animated series and a cameo in "X-Men Evolution" between them.

That said, in terms of complexity of character, classic story lines and villains badassitude they are easily on par with guys like Green Goblin or Magneto IMHO. Alas a character popularity sometimes has little to do with how well written they are, otherwise Gargoyles would be one of the most popular TV shows of all time. To be fair though I don't really mind that Kang and Ultron aren't the most popular characters, just means they don't get rammed down are throats constantly so when they do show up it's generally because somebody's got a good story for them.

But if your still not convinced just ask your self this, how do you think Joe Quesada would have reacted if Bendis had came to him asking to turn Norman Osborn into a "hawt naked chick"?

P.S. I'm sorry to hear about A.C. Clark, he was one of the best Sci-fi writers of all time.
Algernon
"You know what the chain of command is? It's the chain I go get and beat you with 'til you understand who's in ruttin' command here" -Jayne Cobb
posted @ Wed, Mar 19, 2008 9:56:59 am EDT from 159.134.96.7

I had a weird Gargoyles-related dream last night. I dreamed that I was reading "Gargoyles" #8, and that it was about Thailog trying to capture a baby (who wasn't Alex, but was somehow linked to him) that had been brought into the present-day by the Phoenix Gate, with the clan opposing him. Then I thought, when I'd finished it, how odd (and disappointing) it was that there hadn't been any advancement of the Stone of Destiny elements from #7 (including Shari's recounting of the Stone's past history after it arrived in Ireland), and wondered if it would have to be compressed into #9, before I woke up and realized it had only been a dream.
Todd Jensen
Gargoyles - did for monstrous-looking statues what "Watership Down" did for rabbits!
posted @ Wed, Mar 19, 2008 8:10:06 am EDT from 4.244.213.150

There are exactly 100 days left until The Gathering 2008 in Chicago, Illinois, and we hope that you're looking forward to this summer's convention as much as we are!

Read the latest Gathering 2008 newsletter here:
http://community.livejournal.com/gargoyle_clan/78772.html
Patrick - [<-- The Gathering 2008]
"I've got a fever, and the only cure is... MORE COWBELL." - Christopher Walken
posted @ Wed, Mar 19, 2008 7:00:54 am EDT from 76.205.90.236

Spen> When my room mate, Bill and I BOTH need a day off, I call his boss and tell her Bill died, and he calls my boss and tells her that I died.

So just give me your boss's number and I'll tell him you died. This way a) you can go to the Gathering and b) imagine how happy he'll be to see you alive and well on Monday for work! You can just tell him after x number of days, you rose from the dead like they do in the Bible! ;)
(The Gargoyles Pulse - updated Mondays)
Anthony Tini
posted @ Wed, Mar 19, 2008 6:57:07 am EDT from 70.15.84.29

I wasn't going to post this, but we've had some serious questions come up and I feel that I should answer them.

Patrick : ...A fever that requires me to go to Chicago? I doubt that would work. My boss lives next door, so he'd notice the missing car. And no, my boss is *not* Ebeneezer.

Harvester : My official title is 'Musician's Assistant". I sequence the MIDI files, book the gigs, act as a chauffeur, set up and tear down the equipment, maintain the web site, answer his e-mails, keep track of what songs he does, and various other odds and ends. In general, I do everything except get up on stage and sing.

Algernon, Greg B. & Patrick : Criminal? I personally always classified it as more of a legal grey area. Anyway, even if I were to press charges, I highly doubt that he would be convicted. My boss is a disabled Vietnam vet. He's highly respected around here. I, on the other hand, look and sound like a slimy, overgrown weasel. It would look like I'm trying to screw over an American hero. Unless I had an *extremely* good lawyer, I'd have no chance. And I most certainly can't afford a really good lawyer. And if I lose, all it would take is one phone call from my now-ex-boss to all but insure that I would never be able to hold a steady job again. An even if I win, I'd still be perceived as the guy who back-stabbed his boss. Not a good thing to have on your resume. So my only real chance afterwards would be to move. And I'm simply getting to old to start over.

And anyway, there's also the fact that I actually *like* my job. In what other job can you be a typist/receptionist one minute, a salesman the next, and then a chauffeur? And that variety appeals to me. I can't stand being a specialist. That's the main reason why none of my other jobs have ever worked out. This one allows me to be the general everyman I was born to be. There's also the fact of being the sole employee. In most jobs I'd be easily replaceable. Here, I'm *essential*. The show, quite literally, could not go on if I were to quit. And that's precisely why I won't. I like being necessary. Even if I don't usually get credit for it. And I do get some side benefits for this job. For one thing, the very fact that I can post all this right now is because my boss pays for my Internet access directly (Mainly because I couldn't maintain his web site otherwise.) So if it weren't for him, I'd have left this fandom two years ago (Which probably gives you all an added reason to dislike him). He also gives me a bonus if I'm a bit short on my mortgage payment. And I get to dance for free. :) So overall, for me anyway, an annoying boss and a lack of vacations is a small price to pay. I don't even ask for vacations very often. The only other time I can think of was in '97 for my sister's wedding. (I was allowed that weekend off, by the way.)

Rebel : Quite right about me having this job a long time. It'll be 13 years this May. And yes, I am a 'he'. (If I were a 'she', there would be a much simpler solution for my boss problems :)
Spen
posted @ Wed, Mar 19, 2008 5:39:03 am EDT from 66.43.205.110

Arthur C. Clarke Died today, as well. He pioneered the thoughts that Satalites could be used to transmit signals, and helped give us the classic 2001: A Space Oddessy.

He was 90. RIP.

www.imdb.com
Battle Beast - [Canada]
That is all I will say.
posted @ Wed, Mar 19, 2008 1:12:59 am EDT from 75.152.103.64

Algernon> I'd hardly call Ultron and Kang B-List villains. If I had to list Marvel's A-List villains, it would include:

Dr. Doom; Magneto; The Red Skull; The Green Goblin; Ultron; Kang the Conqueror; Thanos; Dr. Octopus; Mephisto; The Kingpin; The Mandarin; and as much as I personally can't stand him, Venom
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The Twelfth Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"Is that not the perfect visual image of life and death? A fish flapping on the carpet, and a fish not flapping on the carpet." - Bill AKA Snake Charmer
posted @ Wed, Mar 19, 2008 12:34:04 am EDT from 75.56.245.4

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P.S. The new Shocker's design is pretty badass, which really says something seeing as how his costume is essentially a duvet.
Algernon
"You know what the chain of command is? It's the chain I go get and beat you with 'til you understand who's in ruttin' command here" -Jayne Cobb
posted @ Tue, Mar 18, 2008 8:07:29 pm EDT from 159.134.96.7

ALGERNON - Your remark about the "whiny Spider-Man fans" reminded me of the question I've occasionally wondered: what did Shakespeare's original audience at the Globe think when he ended "Hamlet" with Hamlet dead (in the pre-Shakespeare versions of the story, Hamlet becomes King of Denmark after overthrowing his uncle and reigns for many years).
Todd Jensen
Gargoyles - did for monstrous-looking statues what "Watership Down" did for rabbits!
posted @ Tue, Mar 18, 2008 6:14:53 pm EDT from 4.244.214.70

If you're one of twenty employees, then yes, better think twice about rocking the boat. But if you're the only person there other than the "boss"... there's some bit of advantage in hold the power to instantly double his workload in your own two feet.
Patrick - [<-- The Gathering 2008]
"If at first you don't succeed, skydiving isn't the sport for you." - Steven Wright
posted @ Tue, Mar 18, 2008 5:52:47 pm EDT from 76.205.90.236

Algernon> Source came from Sony's Spectacular Spider-Man site.
Antiyonder - [antiyonder at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Tue, Mar 18, 2008 5:27:44 pm EDT from 71.115.218.75

Just called my comic shop and according them they aren't expecting #8 this week . . . .
Phoenician
"The Suspense is Terrible . . . I Hope it Lasts" -- Willy Wonka
posted @ Tue, Mar 18, 2008 5:04:40 pm EDT from 157.242.221.200

Spen-you need to start looking for a new job ;p I know how tough it is trying to get into the working world--I'm working on it now in fact, so I could understand why you would want to stay. But if you have an abusive boss who makes you feel bad about yourself, no amount of money is worth that.

"Protection"-I actually really like that episode for some reason. I was never fooled, but I really like some of the dialogue in that ep.
Purplegoldfish - [Skydragonn at aol dot com]
posted @ Tue, Mar 18, 2008 3:53:13 pm EDT from 69.183.103.113

Algernon > True. But I bet Spen knows that already, and yet he's decided to stay. I'm sure he has his reasons.
Rebel
posted @ Tue, Mar 18, 2008 2:21:39 pm EDT from 216.45.251.211

Rebel> No one is forcing Spen to do anything and I'm sure nobody here wants him to do anything that will get him on the unemployment line. The fact remains however that how his boss is treating him is not only exploitative and immoral but downright illegal. The man is nothing less then a criminal and should not be allowed get away with this kind of crap. Your right though, the solutions to life's great problems are rarely simple, indeed they are often messy, grueling and at times bloody but they are also often necessary.

Demonskrye> Never liked "Protection", partially cause I find Dracon kinda annoying but mainly
I just couldn't believe for a second that Elisa had gone over to the "Dark Side" so the episode had pretty much zero tension for me.

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Antiyonder> I'm not sure I'd take Shocker thing seriously unless there's some kind of credible source to back it up. If true, I'm not certain what to make of it. It would be a big departure from the comics and I'll have to see the episode in question before I passed judgement. I just hope Greg is ready for the onslaught of whiny fan-boys accusing him of having raped their childhood or ruining Spider-Man FOREVER!!!
Algernon
"You know what the chain of command is? It's the chain I go get and beat you with 'til you understand who's in ruttin' command here" -Jayne Cobb
posted @ Tue, Mar 18, 2008 2:18:07 pm EDT from 159.134.96.7

"Vendettas" was a "fun" episode but at the time it aired I was looking for more episodes that dealt directly with plot and not any side plots. That's why Hunter's Moon was such a good series of episodes, in my opinion.
(The Gargoyles Pulse - updated Mondays)
Anthony Tini
posted @ Tue, Mar 18, 2008 2:13:37 pm EDT from 159.240.11.254

Sorry, that was me
Sebastian
posted @ Tue, Mar 18, 2008 12:01:39 pm EDT from 128.12.69.35

I tried to get my brother interested in the show way back when and the episode happened to be vendettas. Sigh. The whole time I was trying to defend it, but I think only part I liked was when Vinnie was walking away at the end he was whistling the gargoyles theme.
Anonymous
posted @ Tue, Mar 18, 2008 12:01:14 pm EDT from 128.12.69.35

Algernon> I have no issue with "Monsters". I don't see it as particularly better or worse than most episodes. The two episodes that I do actively dislike are "Protection" - where I felt that I was figuring out what was going on well before the episode got there, which was rare for "Gargoyles", and "Vendettas" - where I felt that the idea of Hakon returning again was not given adequate time. There are some other episodes that I think are just OK, but those are the only two that I just don't enjoy.

It's very odd to think that my question from a few months back of what episode of "Gargoyles" you would show someone who refused to watch a multiparter actually has some real world application
Demonskrye - [demonskrye(at)gmail(dot)com]
posted @ Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:39:59 am EDT from 209.6.248.33

GregX> It was the snap judgement I critiqued. If I'm getting into a new show or even comic for that matter, I give it 3-4 stories before assuming it quality or a waste of time. Besides, I did say it was more important than his behavior, just giving my view on what Spen told us. Believe me, I said all I needed to say

Before I forget, on a Toon Zone forum, someone announced pointed out that The Spectacular Spider-Man Shocker will be
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Antiyonder - [antiyonder at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:25:29 am EDT from 71.115.218.75

Sorry for the double post put there's another slightly related point I wanted to address. Why is everyone constantly dumping on "Monsters" for. Sure it's no "The Mirror" but It's hardly "The Goliath Chronicles" either. It's an important stepping stone for Goliath and Angela's relationship with a few fun Sevarius moments thrown in for good measure. Do me favour guys, go to Youtube and try searching for "Avengers: United They Stand" to see what a really bad cartoon looks like
Algernon
"You know what the chain of command is? It's the chain I go get and beat you with 'til you understand who's in ruttin' command here" -Jayne Cobb
posted @ Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:06:19 am EDT from 159.134.96.7

sorry for the double.

Spen, you are a "he", right?
Rebel
posted @ Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:02:31 am EDT from 216.45.251.211

Spen's Job > Guys, he's obviously been working there a long time, if he showed his boss an episode while Gargoyles was still on the air (at a time other than the middle of the night). I'm sure he would have already left his job if he thought that was the best thing to do. If he's the sole employee, it's not a good idea to piss his boss off by going on about labor laws. It's easy enough for us to give him advice since we don't know the full extent of his situation, but in real life things are never so simple.
Rebel
posted @ Tue, Mar 18, 2008 11:02:03 am EDT from 216.45.251.211

Spen> I don't want to pry into your personal life cause I don't really know you or your situation, but you really should make a point of looking up labour laws or consulting a lawyer. In pretty much every civilised nation on earth employees are entitled to a certain amount of vacation time every year. Here in Ireland it's about two weeks. Though frankly, I think the best thing you can do is start looking through the want ads of your local paper.
Algernon
"You know what the chain of command is? It's the chain I go get and beat you with 'til you understand who's in ruttin' command here" -Jayne Cobb
posted @ Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:53:09 am EDT from 159.134.96.7

Anthony Minghella PAssed away. He Directed "The English Patient" and Exec Produced "Michael Clayton". He was only 54, which makes it more sad :( RIP.
Battle Beast - [Canada]
That is all I will say.
posted @ Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:28:15 am EDT from 75.152.103.64

Why do people ::looks at Antiyonder:: seem to be obsessed with why he doesn't like "Gargoyles"? He doesn't, and he doesn't really have to justify it. His behavior, and the way he treats an employee are more important than his opinion on a cartoon show. That requires justification since, as Patrick said, he's breaking labor laws.
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The Twelfth Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"Is that not the perfect visual image of life and death? A fish flapping on the carpet, and a fish not flapping on the carpet." - Bill AKA Snake Charmer
posted @ Tue, Mar 18, 2008 10:19:20 am EDT from 75.56.245.4

Antiyonder and Todd: Yeah, but my theory's funnier. ( ;

Spen: Doesn't sound like this guy's worth defending. There's a finite amount of energy in the universe. Don't waste any unless you're guaranteed a return on your investment. Out of curiosity, what do you do?
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75 at gmail dot com]
"Come with me to the winged isle, Northern father's Western child, where the dance of ages is playing still. Through far marshes of acres wild!" -Ian Anderson
posted @ Tue, Mar 18, 2008 7:10:18 am EDT from 71.62.198.251

Spen > Is your boss Ebeneezer Scrooge? He sounds like such an uplifting person to be around for 12 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year. You know there are labor laws that require employers to give their employees a certain amount of time off for sick leave and such, right? Who knows, you might come down with a bad fever right near the end of June.

101 days left until The Gathering 2008 in Chicago, Illinois!
Patrick - [<-- The Gathering 2008]
"I've got a fever, and the only cure is... MORE COWBELL." - Christopher Walken
posted @ Tue, Mar 18, 2008 6:58:37 am EDT from 76.205.90.236

Spen> But anyway, as you can see, he's got a good reason to not like the show.

Not to sure about that. I mean I bet his favorite shows has an episode or two that took it in the rear, so he should be able to accept that other shows will have an off day.
Antiyonder - [antiyonder at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Tue, Mar 18, 2008 5:24:44 am EDT from 71.115.218.75

Greg B. : In his defense, he's usually quite pleasant to most people. However, if he doesn't like someone, he won't hide it.

Aldrius : "Bewitched" certainly wouldn't have worked, he hated that show. I've never heard him say anything about "Cheers" one way or the other. In any event, I'm pretty sure that he had already made up his mind on the matter, and only asked what show it was out of curiousity.
Spen
posted @ Tue, Mar 18, 2008 4:45:19 am EDT from 66.43.205.110

He honestly asked you what show it was...? Would it have been different if you had said 'Bewitched' or 'Cheers' or something, do you think?

And then he chastised you for watching it and saying you had bad taste?

Regardless, it sounds like he wasn't going to like it no matter what you showed him, Spen...

Anyway. I really liked the lastest spectacular Spider-man. Loved the ending.
Aldrius
posted @ Tue, Mar 18, 2008 2:53:08 am EDT from 209.183.6.43

Spen> Your boss is entitled to his opinions, but jesus christ, he sounds like such a wonderful human being.
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The Twelfth Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"Is that not the perfect visual image of life and death? A fish flapping on the carpet, and a fish not flapping on the carpet." - Bill AKA Snake Charmer
posted @ Tue, Mar 18, 2008 2:38:37 am EDT from 75.56.245.4

Upon reflection, I shouldn't have posted that. This is a Gargoyles comment room, not "Spen's personal rant page". I have a diary for thing that. I apologize to the room for wasting space, and I shall not post anything similar in the future.
Spen
posted @ Tue, Mar 18, 2008 2:38:28 am EDT from 66.43.205.110

Greg B. : No actually, I am not technically allowed VT. Being the sole employee, he can't really afford to let me go for any amount of time. Therefore, it is in my contract that I only get vacations when my boss does. He doesn't like vacations, so that is quite rare.

Antiyonder : Yes. Most of it is my fault; back when the show was first on, about 80% of my conversations had something to do with Gargoyles. Naturally, that quickly became irritating to him. Eventually, we reached an agreement: "If I watch one episode of this show, you agree to never mention it again." I agreed, and mmediately suggested that he watch my tape of either "Awakening" or "City of Stone". To which, he replied "I don't want to waste two hours of my life in your living room." Instead, we would watch the new episode on Tuesday. Now, for the week before this, it seemed to me that we got one great episode one day, and a not-so-wonderful one the next. Monday's episode had been one of the latter, so I figured that we'd be getting a good ep on Tuesday. Wrong. The episode was "Monsters". Needless to say, he wasn't impressed. Worse, he went into a long rant afterwards about how it was a terrible show, and that I have no taste in
television, and that "From now on, if that minuscule pea pod that you call a brain conceives any sort of opinion about anything, you will keep it to your goddamn self!". For some reason, I was a little bitter towards that episode after that. But anyway, as you
can see, he's got a good reason to not like the show.
Spen
"I agree to disagree agreeably on issues where agreement provides substantive disagreement in the context of agreement." - Scott Leroy
posted @ Tue, Mar 18, 2008 2:34:23 am EDT from 66.43.205.110

Todd> I figured as much, my question was more of a nagging feeling that I needed to ask.

Spen> Has he expressed negative on the show before?
Antiyonder - [antiyonder at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Mon, Mar 17, 2008 10:30:46 pm EDT from 71.115.192.199

SPEN> Aren't you allowed vacation time?
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The Twelfth Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"Is that not the perfect visual image of life and death? A fish flapping on the carpet, and a fish not flapping on the carpet." - Bill AKA Snake Charmer
posted @ Mon, Mar 17, 2008 10:28:48 pm EDT from 75.56.245.4

ANTIYONDER - Well, we do know that Greg Weisman would like to believe that Bodhe finally gained some courage (to fit in with his stand that characters who can grow and change are more interesting than characters who remain static).
Todd Jensen
Gargoyles - did for monstrous-looking statues what "Watership Down" did for rabbits!
posted @ Mon, Mar 17, 2008 10:23:22 pm EDT from 4.245.18.18

Happy Saint Patrick's day, everyone!

Mine hasn't been all that good I'm afraid. I finally asked my boss about taking a weekend off in June to attend the Gathering. Here's a transcript of that conversation:

My boss: What is your reason for wanting to slack off for a weekend?
Me: Well, sir, I was planning on attending a convention for a television show.
Boss: What show is it?
Me: ...Gargoyles, sir.
Boss: Forget it.

So I obviously will not be coming this year.
Spen
"I agree to disagree agreeably on issues where agreement provides substantive disagreement in the context of agreement." - Scott Leroy
posted @ Mon, Mar 17, 2008 10:12:37 pm EDT from 66.43.205.110

Now I've always wondered, do you think Bodhe change of heart was finally realizing that caving in to threats only lead to more trouble or that he was simpling siding with a blood relative.

Not that he hates Macbeth, but being an in-law doesn't always guarantee a close family bond.
Antiyonder - [antiyonder at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Mon, Mar 17, 2008 10:00:46 pm EDT from 71.115.192.199

Todd - the only question that I have left is when the comic was/will be approved by Disney. That's so we can use that to future estimates.
dph_of_rules
Whatever happenned to simplicity?
posted @ Mon, Mar 17, 2008 7:43:51 pm EDT from 98.20.201.174

I can't say I'm that surprised by the more recent news; I think that if the comic was going to be released this Wednesday, Greg Weisman would have posted something about that at "Ask Greg" by now.
Todd Jensen
Gargoyles - did for monstrous-looking statues what "Watership Down" did for rabbits!
posted @ Mon, Mar 17, 2008 7:09:21 pm EDT from 4.244.214.128

Oh what the heck -- I'll be green for the day too!

Harvester: Greg's always said that he imagined Bodhe, despite all potentially negative things he did in Macbeth's life, to have died glorious in battle.

That could be many things, but I doubt he'd surrender :)
Phoenician
"The Suspense is Terrible . . . I Hope it Lasts" -- Willy Wonka
posted @ Mon, Mar 17, 2008 6:06:57 pm EDT from 157.242.210.191

Happy St. Patrick's Day!

102 days left until The Gathering 2008 in Chicago, Illinois!
Patrick - [<-- The Gathering 2008]
"It's not easy being green." - Kermit the Frog
posted @ Mon, Mar 17, 2008 5:42:17 pm EDT from 76.205.90.236

Sort of a depressing TDIGUH moment, but I guess I'll just use it as an excuse to have three extra pints. We can only imagine what Bodhe's death must have been like.

"I surrender!" SLICE!
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75 at gmail dot com]
"Come with me to the winged isle, Northern father's Western child, where the dance of ages is playing still. Through far marshes of acres wild!" -Ian Anderson
posted @ Mon, Mar 17, 2008 5:31:48 pm EDT from 71.62.198.251

Yeah I was afraid of that. Guess I'd better get to work then.
Chip - [Dragonhunter723 at yahoo dot com]
Can a mortal ask questions which God finds unanswerable? Quite easily, I should think. All nonsense questions are unanswerable. -- C.S. Lewis
posted @ Mon, Mar 17, 2008 4:50:08 pm EDT from 68.164.4.180

Chip > I always make my own layouts, using one of those myspace editors. I choose a background image, and then choose table and text colors that go well with the image I've chosen. For gargoyles, I suppose you could just find a good image from the many websites that have screenshots, or find some other gargoyles art.

There probably isn't a pre-made gargoyles layout out there. You'll probably have to make your own.
Rebel
posted @ Mon, Mar 17, 2008 4:36:17 pm EDT from 216.45.251.211

I have been attempting to find a Gargoyles Background Layout for my Myspace profile. Thus far I have had no luck. Can anyone possibly point me in the right direction?
Chip - [Dragonhunter723 at yahoo dot com]
Can a mortal ask questions which God finds unanswerable? Quite easily, I should think. All nonsense questions are unanswerable. -- C.S. Lewis
posted @ Mon, Mar 17, 2008 4:16:34 pm EDT from 68.164.4.180

Well, at least gargoyles #8 is scheduled to be released the same week as Tron #5.

On the other hand, that makes it close to not getting a new comic within 3 months. I don't want to bring up that argument about delays again. Frankly, I'm tired of it and has somebody said, it's extremely counter-productive. Instead of complaining about it, I'd rather think that gives us another week to get more people on board ready to purchase when the next issue comes out. Membership count on Ed's group has grown to 9.
dph_of_rules
Whatever happenned to simplicity?
posted @ Mon, Mar 17, 2008 4:06:19 pm EDT from 98.20.201.174

I hope I'm not raining on anyone's St. Patty's Day parade, but Gargoyles #8 moved from being upcoming this week, to upcoming next week.

http://www.diamondcomics.com/shipping/upcomingreleases.txt

The Gargoyles Pulse will reflect this change as well.
(The Gargoyles Pulse - updated Mondays)
Anthony Tini
posted @ Mon, Mar 17, 2008 3:12:17 pm EDT from 159.240.11.254

Adam >

All of those seem like pretty good options. I tend to think Macbeth's or Renard's place are most likely...moreso Macbeth. With Renard, there's a slight risk because of his connection to Fox (if they left the castle, it would probably be because of a fallout with the Xanatoses, and I'm sure Fox might be at least somewhat familiar with Renard's security measures). While the Labyrinth clan and The Manhattan clan are allies, I don't think they'd be comfortable living in such close quarters for very long, especially since I doubt Goliath would want to take orders from Talon. However, I'm sure it would still do in a pinch (they all would, honestly).

If things get really dangerous in New York, they could always hightail it to Avalon for a little while. Though I doubt they'd be comfortable leaving their protectorate (and all their human friends) for long.
Rebel
posted @ Mon, Mar 17, 2008 2:15:01 pm EDT from 76.165.32.155

I have a "in theory" question for the group. If the Manhattan clan were forced to leave castle Wyvern, where would they go? As I see it, they really only have three places to go: Halcyon Renard, Macbeth, or the Labyrinth.
Adam - [carl006_1999 at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Mon, Mar 17, 2008 1:18:01 pm EDT from 170.112.1.251

Ah St. Paddy's day, what better way to celebrate the coming of Christianity to Ireland then by dyeing our hair green and getting sloshed outta our brains? Interesting revelation about Gruoch committing suicide, wonder if Macbeth knew?

P.S. Since I'm Irish I guess I'll have to fly the flag. So I'm changing my avatar to one of Ireland's greatest heroes for today only. I know this avatar is mostly associated with Matt but I ask you to indulge this modest display of patriotism. Don't worry I'll be back to Coldstone's sneering visage soon enough.
Algernon
"You know what the chain of command is? It's the chain I go get and beat you with 'til you understand who's in ruttin' command here" -Jayne Cobb
posted @ Mon, Mar 17, 2008 9:24:22 am EDT from 159.134.96.7

Todd> Oh. Duh. The significance of your color change just occurred to me. I feel silly.

Keep in mind also that the TDiGUH entries we're seeing are by no means the only events of interest that occurred on that day in the Gargoyles universe.
Demonskrye - [demonskrye(at)gmail(dot)com]
posted @ Mon, Mar 17, 2008 8:01:02 am EDT from 209.6.248.33

Sorry for the double post, but I checked the Gargoyles Wiki's entry on Gruoch, and it mentioned only that she died soon after her son and father were slain fighting against Canmore, so I think that the suicide must be new information.
Todd Jensen
Gargoyles - did for monstrous-looking statues what "Watership Down" did for rabbits!
posted @ Mon, Mar 17, 2008 7:27:51 am EDT from 4.244.213.147

DEMONSKRYE - Only for today. I'll be back to "bright blue" tomorrow.

In Shakespeare's "Macbeth", it's also suggested that Lady Macbeth committed suicide - though that obviously wouldn't have much bearing on the Gargoyles Universe. So I think that it might be a new revelation.

Odd that the St. Patrick's Day entry for "This Day in the Gargoyles Universe" would be about events in Scotland rather than Ireland - but then again, the Scots are descended from Irish colonists who settled in Scotland. (#8 and #9 of the comic book will probably get into that if they contain more flashbacks about the Stone of Destiny's history, since those same Irish colonists brought the Stone with them; that's how it got from Ireland to Scotland, according to the stories about it.)
Todd Jensen
Gargoyles - did for monstrous-looking statues what "Watership Down" did for rabbits!
posted @ Mon, Mar 17, 2008 7:23:58 am EDT from 4.244.213.147

Sorry for the double post, but I just checked out today's TDiGUH a.k.a. The Worst Day in Macbeth's Life. Wow. Did we know prior to this that Grouch committed suicide after Luach's death?
Demonskrye - [demonskrye(at)gmail(dot)com]
posted @ Mon, Mar 17, 2008 7:10:56 am EDT from 209.6.248.33

Todd> If it's up on Diamond, that generally means that SLG has informed Diamond that they intend to ship the issue that week. If the issue end up not coming out, it's generally because there was a delay SLG didn't anticipate. If #8 is still on the schedule when Diamond's new release pages update today, I think it's fair to assume that it will be in stores on Wednesday barring any unforeseen problems.

Switching to green?
Demonskrye - [demonskrye(at)gmail(dot)com]
posted @ Mon, Mar 17, 2008 7:08:23 am EDT from 209.6.248.33

Ten's a good number.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75 at gmail dot com]
"Customs, morals... is there a difference? Here, by the grace of God and an inside straight, we have a personality untouched by the psychotic taboos of our tribe - and YOU want to turn him into a copy of every fourth-rate conformist in this frightened land! Why not go the whole hog? Get him a briefcase." -Jubal Harshaw ("Stranger In a Strange Land")
posted @ Mon, Mar 17, 2008 6:50:55 am EDT from 71.62.198.251

Do we know for certain that #8 is coming out this week? As far as I know, our only source for that information is Diamond, and I believe it's gotten dates wrong before. On the other hand, as DPH mentioned, Greg Weisman hasn't said anything about that yet - which is suspicious. I'd like some independent confirmation, please.
Todd Jensen
Gargoyles - did for monstrous-looking statues what "Watership Down" did for rabbits!
posted @ Mon, Mar 17, 2008 6:42:13 am EDT from 4.244.213.147

It's a show on FX about a family of traveling Con Artists who pretend to live as a well-to-do family in a gated community. It's actually pretty good.
Phoenician
"The Suspense is Terrible . . . I Hope it Lasts" -- Willy Wonka
posted @ Mon, Mar 17, 2008 3:59:58 am EDT from 157.242.210.191

Phoenician> What's 'The Riches'?
KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra_582 at hotmail dot com]
Grr. Arg.
posted @ Mon, Mar 17, 2008 3:58:21 am EDT from 76.247.79.197

8th in the name of "The Riches" premeiring this Tuesday!
Phoenician
"The Suspense is Terrible . . . I Hope it Lasts" -- Willy Wonka
posted @ Mon, Mar 17, 2008 3:41:19 am EDT from 157.242.210.191

*blinks at how slow this room is right now*

Seventh.
KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra_582 at hotmail dot com]
Grr. Arg.
posted @ Mon, Mar 17, 2008 3:32:29 am EDT from 76.247.79.197

Sixth!
Spen
"I agree to disagree agreeably on issues where agreement provides substantive disagreement in the context of agreement." - Scott Leroy
posted @ Mon, Mar 17, 2008 2:35:24 am EDT from 66.43.205.110

5th, or 6th- depending. In the name of lurkers everywhere.
Mara - [angelcarnivore at gmail dot com]
"It's not that I don't love you" he said, "it's that our writer has an unhealthy obsession with will they/won't they story arcs."
posted @ Mon, Mar 17, 2008 1:50:55 am EDT from 70.243.162.175

fourth!
Purplegoldfish - [Skydragonn at aol dot com]
posted @ Mon, Mar 17, 2008 1:28:12 am EDT from 64.12.117.134

3rd in the name of learning more about those two new London Gargs!
Rebel
posted @ Mon, Mar 17, 2008 12:22:49 am EDT from 216.45.251.211

2nd!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Justin
posted @ Mon, Mar 17, 2008 12:22:27 am EDT from 24.166.2.52

1st in the name of issue #8 coming out this week and in the name of bg #2 coming out within 3 weeks.

Great, if the issue comes out this week, that means I'll have to boycott this cr Wednesday morning until I pick up my own copy Wednesday afternoon.

I'm surprised that Greg Weisman hasn't said anything about it yet.
dph_of_rules
Whatever happenned to simplicity?
posted @ Mon, Mar 17, 2008 12:00:23 am EDT from 98.20.201.174