Comment Room Archive : Gargoyles : Station Eight

City of Stone: Yeah, the humans in New York literally turned to stone thanks to the terms of the spell, "All who see this, all who hear this, turn to stone throughout the night until the sky burns."

This as opposed to the Magus's spell in "Awakening" when the spell translated meant, "(May you) sleep until the castle rises above the clouds." In that case, the gargoyles simply went to sleep as they usually due . . . in their stone-like organic state . . . expect at night
Phoenician
"The Suspense is Terrible . . . I Hope it Lasts" -- Willy Wonka
posted @ Sun, Nov 30, 2008 6:59:28 pm EST from 157.242.208.164

Cloned gargoyles are still gargoyles.

As for City of Stone. That was a very different thing entirely. The humans were actually turned to stone, as opposed to gargoyles becoming an organic substance that resembles stone.
Greg Bishansky - [<--- Register for the Gathering of the Gargoyles]
posted @ Sun, Nov 30, 2008 4:53:01 pm EST from 24.205.39.101

It would have been interesting to see if the "modesty spell" would have included the humans that had been turned into gargoyles, as in "The Mirror", given that Puck wasn't above playing with the semantics of what the terms "human" and "gargoyle" meant when working magic. Apparently the spell is all-encompassing enough that it includes cloned gargoyles.
Patrick - [<-- The Gathering 2009]
"A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men." - Willy Wonka
posted @ Sun, Nov 30, 2008 4:38:50 pm EST from 76.205.100.214

Gargoyle Jet-Lag> One thing I'm not entirely clear about (though perhaps I will be when the trade comes out): Does jet lag for a gargoyle mean waking up long after sunset and then immediately turning to stone at sunrise, resulting in shorter than normal waking hours? Or do jet-lagged gargoyles get to stay awake during the daylight hours? I remember during "The Mirror," Hudson mentioned that it would have been nice to see the sun just once and I'm wondering if the trip to London granted his wish.
Demonskrye - [demonskrye(at)gmail(dot)com]
posted @ Sun, Nov 30, 2008 4:00:07 pm EST from 146.115.115.33

"This came to an end during the reign of Caesar Augustus (27 B.C. - A.D. 14), who, DISPLEASED with seeing gargoyles rendered naked upon their awakening this way..."

Hillarious!! XD

This is every fanfiction authors dream.

I knew of the spell, but reading this just made me laugh... I'm sure there are many fanfics involving this. XD "OH, NO!! You are NAKED AGAIN!!!!! ... ohwow..."
Brook
posted @ Sun, Nov 30, 2008 3:35:06 pm EST from 84.191.251.128

Yes, all sides of Earth's moon have a day and night cycle, there is no permanent dark side. The only time you'd get a planet with a permenant dark side is if the planet was tidally locked with the Sun so that, in effect, the planet doesn't turn. Any moon is going to have a day and night cycle simply because by rotating around a planet (which is rotating around its star) you are going to have different faces facing the star at any one time. So even though the Moon is tidally locked to Earth and we always see the same side of it, it is still orbiting the Earth and thus the sun hits all sides of it at some point.

Sorry for the rant, but I can't let science misinformation persist.
Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Except for Goliath we don't have names." "How do you tell each other apart?" "We look different." "But what do you call each other?" "Friend." -Lexington, Tom and Brooklyn, 'Awakening Part One'
posted @ Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:32:35 pm EST from 70.230.147.119

There is no dark side of the moon, really. Matter of fact, it's all dark. Least, so I once heard some wise men say. ( ;
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75 at gmail dot com]
"Do you wanna know why I use a knife? Guns are too quick. You can't savor all the... little... emotions. In... you see, in their last moments, people show you who they really are. So in a way, I know your friends better than you ever did. Would you like to know which of them were cowards?" -The Joker
posted @ Sun, Nov 30, 2008 12:58:06 pm EST from 76.27.174.85

I should clarify, there is no *permanent* dark side of the moon. The side we cannot see from earth gets sunlight.

And in the context of the show, somehow I doubt that gargoyles would stay flesh for 15 days (360 hours), then turn to stone for 15 days.
Patrick - [<-- The Gathering 2009]
"A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men." - Willy Wonka
posted @ Sun, Nov 30, 2008 12:52:25 pm EST from 76.205.100.214

The temperature on the Moon ranges from daytime highs of about 130°C = 265°F to nighttime lows of about -110°C = -170°F. There is no "dark side" of the moon. There is a "far side" that we never see from Earth because time it takes the moon to rotate about its own axis matches the time it takes to orbit the Earth. There is a sunrise and sunset on the moon, but one "day" on the moon equals a little more than 29 1/2 Earth days.
Patrick - [<-- The Gathering 2009]
"A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men." - Willy Wonka
posted @ Sun, Nov 30, 2008 12:49:11 pm EST from 76.205.100.214

Greg B.> That was a great video, thanks.

I also agree that, given enough time to adjust, gargoyles off-world would probably adjust their sleep cycle to some equivalent. Remember, it depends on the planet/moon that is settled. I think the reproductive cycle may stay close to the earth-based cycle if only because something that large would take generations to adjust. Sleep is, in theory, more flexible. The only challenge would be which stimulus it would adjust to.
Asatira
posted @ Sun, Nov 30, 2008 12:32:04 pm EST from 68.190.20.172

Robby> <<The way I see it, the Sun's radiation triggers the transformation.>>

"Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.
Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.
You're wrong!
You're wrong!"
- Dr. Percival Cox "Scrubs"

Heh heh, sorry about that. Couldn't resist.

But, no, stone sleep is a natural, biological function. It might get thrown off for a bit, but it will set in. Broadway still turned to stone while buried under the Silver Falcon Night Club. Angela still turned to stone while in Nessie's cave.

Everything you never wanted to know about stone sleep:
http://gargoyles.dracandros.com/Stone_Sleep

And as for living on the dark side of the moon. Well... I believe that it is way, way, way too cold there for anything to survive. I'm sure there is someone here who knows better than I.
Greg Bishansky - [<--- Register for the Gathering of the Gargoyles]
posted @ Sun, Nov 30, 2008 12:15:25 pm EST from 24.205.39.101

On Gargoyles living on other planets, the moon, and other moons on the Solar System, its a very interesting prospect. They could adapt to the natural ways of the planet, or in a tidally locked planet (like the Moon), they could live solely on the Night Side of the planet so they don't have to go into Stone Sleep.

The way I see it, the Sun's radiation triggers the transformation. So in space itself, they'd have to be in shielded rooms. Otherwise, they'd be Stone twenty-four seven.
Robby Barrows - [rbgecko at yahoo dot com]
SuperSaiyaMan12
posted @ Sun, Nov 30, 2008 12:05:21 pm EST from 68.186.243.160

BROOK> Nope, Greg was making a point about gargoyle biology and how stone sleep works. If anyone on any board was angry about, well, tough shit. It's Greg's show.
Greg Bishansky - [<--- Register for the Gathering of the Gargoyles]
posted @ Sun, Nov 30, 2008 11:34:24 am EST from 24.205.39.101

I always thought the Jet-Leg thing was more of an in joke, whilst obviously canon something Greg smirked about and nothing to be taken too seriously (see also Avalon tour etc.).

I remember people discussing this matter on a message board, with a poster being quite angry on Gregs inclusion of this bit - I just wanted to jump in and yell "TAKE IT NOT THAT MUCH TO HEART!! IT IS MEANT TO BE FUNNY!!"

It rather interrests me if my conception was right or not.
Brook
posted @ Sun, Nov 30, 2008 10:23:28 am EST from 84.191.222.174

Patrick: Nah, I always considered the Jar Jar of the fanfic universe to be something else. Still haven't figured out what, exactly, but it's definitely more grating on the brain than the word "gargress."

Brook: Let's take things one step at a time. We've only recently started seeing the effects of jet lag. I'm content to just worry about a gargoyle's bio-rhythm on other planets if Greg ever wants to talk about it.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75 at gmail dot com]
"Do you wanna know why I use a knife? Guns are too quick. You can't savor all the... little... emotions. In... you see, in their last moments, people show you who they really are. So in a way, I know your friends better than you ever did. Would you like to know which of them were cowards?" -The Joker
posted @ Sun, Nov 30, 2008 9:00:31 am EST from 76.27.174.85

"The word "gargess" was born in fanfic. It's one of the least scary but more ear-grating and annoying things to come from fanfic. In that respect, it's sort of like the Jar Jar Binks of Gargoyle fanfiction.

Angela should have never made friends with that baby Nessie, because now it's just going to follow her around forever trying to get "tree-fiddy!" :P"

Post of the year!!
Brook
posted @ Sun, Nov 30, 2008 8:55:46 am EST from 84.191.214.152

Just wanted to clarify this: with the vast aging process, I was rather adressing the issue of Gargoyles in 2198 living on other planets with a different length of day/almost no nights.
Brook
posted @ Sun, Nov 30, 2008 8:53:54 am EST from 84.191.214.152

BTW, Todd, is St. Andrew's day celebrated by playing a round of golf? :)
Patrick - [<-- The Gathering 2009]
"A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men." - Willy Wonka
posted @ Sun, Nov 30, 2008 8:53:17 am EST from 76.205.100.214

The word "gargess" was born in fanfic. It's one of the least scary but more ear-grating and annoying things to come from fanfic. In that respect, it's sort of like the Jar Jar Binks of Gargoyle fanfiction.

Angela should have never made friends with that baby Nessie, because now it's just going to follow her around forever trying to get "tree-fiddy!" :P
Patrick - [<-- The Gathering 2009]
"A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men." - Willy Wonka
posted @ Sun, Nov 30, 2008 8:52:05 am EST from 76.205.100.214

Today is St. Andrew's Day (or it normally would be, except it falls on a Sunday this year). St. Andrew is the patron saint of Scotland, so that makes it an important day for Scotland - the original homeland for so many members of the "Gargoyles" cast, including Goliath and his clan, Demona, the Coldtrio, Princess Katharine, the Magus, Tom, the Captain of the Guard, the Archmage, Macbeth, the Canmores, Mary, Finella, and even the Loch Ness Monster.
Todd Jensen
gunnerkrigg.com/index2.php
posted @ Sun, Nov 30, 2008 7:28:12 am EST from 4.244.212.71

On the Subject of off world colonies does anyone think there would be gargoyles or as previously postulated that a gargoyle possibly couldn't live in space apply to other planets.
Woods
"Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit
posted @ Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:45:59 am EST from 68.62.74.219

I could just picture that. "Yeah I'd like a Gargess and a side of fries". But seriously I've never seen someone say Gargess before.

Villainess is used more because it's simpler then saying female villain and unlike Gargess contains the entire original word.
Ozzie Arcane - [ozziearcane at yahoo dot com]
"Hello Booby! This is a trap!" - Eggplant Wizard
posted @ Sun, Nov 30, 2008 12:25:52 am EST from 69.14.122.91

Does anyone know who first coined that word? I'm still trying to figure out how that would make sense to someone. "Gargress" sounds like a type of onion you'd get in a soup or sandwich at some upscale restaurant.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75 at gmail dot com]
"Do you wanna know why I use a knife? Guns are too quick. You can't savor all the... little... emotions. In... you see, in their last moments, people show you who they really are. So in a way, I know your friends better than you ever did. Would you like to know which of them were cowards?" -The Joker
posted @ Sun, Nov 30, 2008 12:06:41 am EST from 76.27.174.85

PATRICK - "gargess" makes me cringe, too.
Todd Jensen
gunnerkrigg.com/index2.php
posted @ Sat, Nov 29, 2008 9:22:37 pm EST from 4.244.210.60

Speaking of things that make us want to gouge out our eyeballs...
Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Except for Goliath we don't have names." "How do you tell each other apart?" "We look different." "But what do you call each other?" "Friend." -Lexington, Tom and Brooklyn, 'Awakening Part One'
posted @ Sat, Nov 29, 2008 8:21:42 pm EST from 70.230.147.119

Robby> The current theory is that the Pack is meant to reference a show that was in more direct competition with "Gargoyles," namely "Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers."
Demonskrye - [demonskrye(at)gmail(dot)com]
posted @ Sat, Nov 29, 2008 8:19:23 pm EST from 146.115.115.33

Do you think the Pack was made, out of universe, to poke fun at another one of the show's competitors, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles? I mean, evil ninjas and everything?
Robby Barrows - [rbgecko at yahoo dot com]
SuperSaiyaMan12
posted @ Sat, Nov 29, 2008 8:12:51 pm EST from 68.186.243.160

I'm fine with "villainess". It's the word "gargess" that makes me want to gouge out eyeballs.
Patrick - [<-- The Gathering 2009]
"Silence! I kill you!" - Achmed the Dead Terrorist
posted @ Sat, Nov 29, 2008 7:25:13 pm EST from 76.205.100.214

Greg: Goliath's a...pansy? *gasp* LOL...
lonerider26 - [lonerider26 at gmail dot com]
"The story is told-though who can say if it be true..."~Shari
posted @ Sat, Nov 29, 2008 6:36:15 pm EST from 71.239.117.121

Also, I'm not sure why Demona, or any other villain who happens to be a female, should be called a "villainess". That kind of language is archaic, IMO.
Rebel
posted @ Sat, Nov 29, 2008 6:32:31 pm EST from 68.222.8.137

I think the fact that Greg Weisman himself has helped with the Gargwiki (and has even edited some articles himself) pretty much makes the Gargwiki the official wiki for Gargoyles. I think it would be good for other wiki-style websites devoted to Gargoyles to...well...not exist. If someone wants to help compile information about Gargoyles, they could just join the Garg-wiki and help there. Then ALL canon information about Gargoyles could be in ONE place.
Rebel
posted @ Sat, Nov 29, 2008 6:31:31 pm EST from 68.222.8.137

Off-topic. Demona made #3 of the Top 11 Nostalgic Villainesses here:

http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/thedudette/nostalgia-chick/2536-top-11-villainesses

MATT> Underwater, domed cities. Every time I think you've revealed everything there, I find there's always a little something you've been holding out. Nice.
Greg Bishansky - [<--- Register for the Gathering of the Gargoyles]
posted @ Sat, Nov 29, 2008 4:24:11 pm EST from 24.205.39.101

Matt> That's a really cool idea about the Mayan pendants. I never really gave any thought to how they worked before.
Supermorff
posted @ Sat, Nov 29, 2008 3:31:46 pm EST from 81.155.47.133

Mayan Pendents> I have this idea in my head that how the Pendents' magic works is that they essentially freeze a wearer in time at dawn. So the gargoyle doesn't turn to stone, but doesn't age either. The pendents are useless at nightime. Basically, they are turned off, but they activate at dawn and freeze the gargoyle wearing it in the state they are in, which of course is flesh.

GargWiki and Grimorum> Without getting much into the vandalism and such, there is a natural competition between the two. They are essentially attempting to create the same website. But I look at it biologically. For whatever reason the two sites were attempting to fill the same niche and for whatever reason one of them (the GargWiki) has all but won the struggle and has become the dominant site. The Grimorum may not completely go extinct, but it would take something pretty big (a GargWiki mass extinction perhaps or some Grimorum advanced mutation) to pull it ahead of the GargWiki. The factors that made the GargWiki succeed? The involvement of Greg Weisman and many hardcore and knowledgeable fans, the foundation formed with various fan run Gargoyles encyclopedias and the fountain of information here at Ask Greg. Without these traits, the Grimorum couldn't compete.

I've been reading too much evolutionary biology lately. But the analogy works, I think.
Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Except for Goliath we don't have names." "How do you tell each other apart?" "We look different." "But what do you call each other?" "Friend." -Lexington, Tom and Brooklyn, 'Awakening Part One'
posted @ Sat, Nov 29, 2008 2:35:30 pm EST from 70.230.147.119

"...or Beowulf, which looked amazing."

GOD, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! :O
Brook
posted @ Sat, Nov 29, 2008 7:57:01 am EST from 84.191.253.206

"Gargoles"? What a horrible typo. I meant Gargoyles, obviously.
Supermorff
posted @ Sat, Nov 29, 2008 4:52:13 am EST from 86.140.64.23

Illuminati> I agree with Phoenician, and suspect that on a regular basis you're unlikely to get more than 2 or 3 Illuminati in the same room together.

GargWiki & Grimorum> This is a very unfortunate matter, and whatever I say will sadly be coloured by the fact that one of the first things that happened to me on GargWiki was I received a message asking me to jump ship to Grimorum. It struck me as rude and a bit unethical, even though it was probably done with the best of intentions. That's not to defend any vandalism on Grimorum; vandalism is wrong, no matter who did it or what their agenda was. I respect Samuel's decision to try and expand Grimorum, but disagree. Having two wikis is more likely to split editors' focus than attract new fans, and it would be better to have a single site to which you can direct people and say "This is Gargoles". But that's just my opinion, and I appreciate that other editors may disagree.
Supermorff
posted @ Sat, Nov 29, 2008 4:50:51 am EST from 86.140.64.23

Just saving face here :P
Phoenician
"The Suspense is Terrible . . . I Hope it Lasts" -- Willy Wonka
posted @ Sat, Nov 29, 2008 2:23:06 am EST from 70.162.223.238

Robby: "I wonder what Castaway's reaction is going to be at the next Illuminati Meeting when Thailog shows up. That's going to be quite a scene..."

Yeah, I doubt there's ever any BIG meetings held by a majority of the members, otherwise it'd probably get a little inconspicuous. The way Hacker gets one member to meet another (X to Qunicey Hemmings) is at least how I imagine they handle most business, at least with lower members . . . .

**Immediately imagines an "Annual Illuminati BBQ," with the three-legged races about to begin!**

Couldn't resist :P
Phoenician
"The Suspense is Terrible . . . I Hope it Lasts" -- Willy Wonka
posted @ Sat, Nov 29, 2008 2:22:32 am EST from 70.162.223.238

Brook > In the case of the four pendant-wearers, the answer is no. The magical amulet and the pendants they wear compensate. Thus, if one gargoyle wore one of the magical pendants for 10 years, and another gargoyle went through the normal gargoyle sleeping/waking cycles for 10 years, they would both age the same amount during that same time, even though the pendant wearer had many more waking hours.

Castaway/Thailog > This is a scene I'd love to see as well. Honestly, all of the 36s are probably mere pawns, I suspect. If Castaway outlives his usefulness at some point and does not prove himself worthy of being promoted to a higher level, I doubt the upper-echelon illuminati members would even care if he found out that there was a gargoyle illuminatus.
Rebel
posted @ Sat, Nov 29, 2008 12:02:48 am EST from 72.150.28.225

Samuel: As one of the editors at the GargWiki, I feel I have an obligation to post this. From what I understand, nobody vandalized the Wikia in GargWiki's name. We were vandalized first by some troll, and then that same troll vandalized the Wikia in our name to start a flame war. He was posing as one of our editors to make us look bad.
D. Taina
The story is told -- though who can say if it be true...
posted @ Fri, Nov 28, 2008 11:41:20 pm EST from 74.213.114.227

So, when I said it's easy to remove believability in a live-action film featuring CGI, I meant poor CGI.
Samuel - [AnglOfHellO at AOL dot com]
Noodles, anyone?
posted @ Fri, Nov 28, 2008 10:55:43 pm EST from 68.55.57.46

Wikia Gargoyles Wiki: I've been working on that Wiki ever since someone vandalized it in the name of the Garg Wiki. I'd really appreciate some help, but people don't really seem interested in expanding it. I figured the Wikia might spotlight the Grimorum and we could draw in new fans. The reason that the Garg Wiki is "much, much better" is because it has a dozen editors, whereas the Grimorum has only one constant editor. So... yeah.

Live Action/CG Film: I would personally prefer a CG film to a live-action film, perhaps in the style of the recent Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles film, which I didn't actually see, but the art looked good, or Beowulf, which looked amazing. I think it's easy to remove all believability with a live-action film featuring CGI.
Samuel - [AnglOfHellO at AOL dot com]
Noodles, anyone?
posted @ Fri, Nov 28, 2008 10:39:50 pm EST from 68.55.57.46

Greg: You never know though. Thailog and Castaway ARE the same rank, but I doubt they'd invite them into the same room if they did attend a meeting...
lonerider26 - [lonerider26 at gmail dot com]
"The story is told-though who can say if it be true..."~Shari
posted @ Fri, Nov 28, 2008 9:45:56 pm EST from 71.239.117.121

Robby> What makes you think the lowest tier members are invited to the meetings? Obviously they are in the dark as to what others are doing considering Hacker fed at least three different agendas in "Invitation Only."

So, nope, I doubt you'll ever get that scene.
Greg Bishansky - [<--- Register for the Gathering of the Gargoyles]
posted @ Fri, Nov 28, 2008 9:15:43 pm EST from 24.205.39.101

I wonder what Castaway's reaction is going to be at the next Illuminati Meeting when Thailog shows up. That's going to be quite a scene...
Robby Barrows - [rbgecko at yahoo dot com]
SuperSaiyaMan12
posted @ Fri, Nov 28, 2008 8:42:31 pm EST from 68.186.243.160

NASA still hasn't figured out if humans can reproduce in the weightlessness of space. I don't even want to speculate about Gargoyles yet.
Patrick - [<-- The Gathering 2009]
M: "What is he doing?" / Q: ""I believe he is attempting re-entry, sir." - Moonraker
posted @ Fri, Nov 28, 2008 7:03:54 pm EST from 76.205.100.214

Wait a second - Gargoyles age half the time of humans because they spend half their life in stone sleep, innit? (1 nights = 1 day??)

If this is so, then wouldn't Gargoyles age faster if they'd avoid stone sleep for that long?
Brook
posted @ Fri, Nov 28, 2008 7:02:21 pm EST from 84.191.203.130

Matt> I was going to make a comment about Demona and Zafiro probably not having a problem with breeding cycles when their in space... and then had a bizarre thought about the two of them starting a relationship.

I'm still confused about Demona. How often do people she'll be gargoyle-shaped and how long human-shaped? Guess we'll have to wait and see.
Supermorff
posted @ Fri, Nov 28, 2008 2:17:27 pm EST from 86.140.64.23

Makes me wonder about gargoyles colonizing new worlds in the far future. Mars would be good. Similiar seasons as the Earth (just twice as long each) and a similiar day/night period (24 hours, 37 minutes). Still, gargoyles are very connected to the natural cycles of the Earth, and I don't know enough about those cycles to know if they'd translate.

Makes me wonder about gargoyles beyond Earth. Will gargoyles always be tied to the planet? The only gargoyles we know that venture into space are Demona and Zafiro, both possessing the ability to avoid stone sleep which probably isn't a coincidence.

Even if the stone sleep issue can be bypassed on Mars or elsewhere, what about the breeding cycles?
Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Except for Goliath we don't have names." "How do you tell each other apart?" "We look different." "But what do you call each other?" "Friend." -Lexington, Tom and Brooklyn, 'Awakening Part One'
posted @ Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:22:24 pm EST from 70.230.147.119

"...but given Greg's philosophy of "with enough time and episodes, everything will get in", I ought to have expected it."

I hope that is not his philosophy for the entire series, for it would also say something about the uality of it. :(

Cetain things just have to be kept out to guarantee it's uniqueness.
Brook
posted @ Fri, Nov 28, 2008 9:31:54 am EST from 84.191.202.124

I should have known that they'd have domed underwater cities in the Gargoyles Universe in 2198. That's one familiar sci-fi concept that I hadn't thought about in relation to "Gargoyles", but given Greg's philosophy of "with enough time and episodes, everything will get in", I ought to have expected it.
Todd Jensen
gunnerkrigg.com/index2.php
posted @ Fri, Nov 28, 2008 7:23:33 am EST from 4.244.215.120

Phoenician - For starters, the space shuttles are the most complex piece of machinery on the planet. When you consider each one has literally miles of cables within it, you can start to understand problems with maintenance. The big problem I see is that any space vehicle that is designed, given the cost is so high, should have reliable life span of 40 to 50 years and designed to be upgraded. Did you know that the space shuttle isn't allowed to be in orbit between December 31 and January 2? They're afraid of errors when the new year starts. The right incentives don't exist to build something similar. Even if NASA today discovered a series of asteroids that were guaranteed to hit the Earth in 100 years and the result would make the planet less habitable, today we'd be stuck arguing about how to solve the problem for a couple of decades.
dph_of_rules
Whatever happened to simplicity?
posted @ Fri, Nov 28, 2008 2:30:54 am EST from 98.20.228.240

Purplegoldfish: I've seen that one. Gargwiki is better. Much, much better...
lonerider26 - [lonerider26 at gmail dot com]
"The story is told-though who can say if it be true..."~Shari
posted @ Fri, Nov 28, 2008 2:21:30 am EST from 71.239.117.121

And in "Babylon 5," humans never developed FTL. They were given access to jump gates by the Centauri in the early 23rd century. Each science fiction series is different.

So, really, I think it's beyond pointless to say, "This series did it this way, so should "Gargoyles.""
Greg Bishansky - [<--- Register for the Gathering of the Gargoyles]
posted @ Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:11:21 am EST from 24.205.39.101

Correction: FTL, not FLT (slap-to-the-head) . . . .
Phoenician
"The Suspense is Terrible . . . I Hope it Lasts" -- Willy Wonka
posted @ Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:14:50 am EST from 70.162.223.238

Future Technological Advances: Well, in Star Trek lore the FLT barrier may be broken by 2063, but when it comes to the real world, well, if you read the current projections from NASA we'll be lucky to send astronauts to Mars by 2030; not even colonies . . . and, judging by the fact that there's no real sucessor to the Space Shuttle yet, 2030 seems beyond optimistic . . . .

Battle Beast: Happy belated Birthday!

DPH: I'm going to take a stab at it and say . . . um . . . tacos :P
Phoenician
"The Suspense is Terrible . . . I Hope it Lasts" -- Willy Wonka
posted @ Thu, Nov 27, 2008 11:54:09 pm EST from 70.162.223.238

Has anyone seen this site? Apparently there's another gargoyles wiki I didn't know about: http://gargoyles.wikia.com/wiki/Gargoyles_Wiki
Purplegoldfish
posted @ Thu, Nov 27, 2008 11:40:32 pm EST from 64.148.56.178

Maybe for short range FTL (Faster than Light) travel, by 2198 in the Gargoyles universe, there'll be Hyperspace Beacons set up in the Solar System. Like in Cowboy Bebop?
Robby Barrows - [rbgecko at yahoo dot com]
SuperSaiyaMan12
posted @ Thu, Nov 27, 2008 11:35:39 pm EST from 68.186.243.160

**dph pulls out a new prototype weapon a quesadilla shooter and fires it the hungry guards at the entrance. The guards are distracted by trying to catch the quesadillas to eat long enough for dph to slip in.**

The technology that concerns me the most is the development of a fully functional computer ai. We're not that far along yet, and I'm very thankfull we aren't. I just got through rewatching some of B5 and I like its realistic approach to Earth's technology. I'm pretty sure that if we stopped making new discoveries today, it would take us about 10-20 years to start fully utilizing what currently exists. In the computer field, it used to the hardware holding the software back for the most part. For the most part, the situation has reversed where the software developers haven't worked out how to fully utilize existing hardware. The biggest technology breakthrough we really need if we are to have colonies in space imho is the ability to use energy waves to create artificial gravity.

Anybody want to guess what I just finished cooking a lot of?

Has anybody heard anything new about the Bad Guys trade paperback since http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=10977 was posted?
dph_of_rules
Whatever happened to simplicity?
posted @ Thu, Nov 27, 2008 11:07:01 pm EST from 98.20.228.240

I think a lot of those things that they said we would have by now, are actually very much within our technological grasp...they just aren't yet practical.
Rebel
posted @ Thu, Nov 27, 2008 10:34:37 pm EST from 72.150.28.225

Thanks, Blaise!
Battle beast - [Canada]
That is all I will say.
posted @ Thu, Nov 27, 2008 10:04:46 pm EST from 75.153.184.20

Greg: Dogs and cats? What's it called, a dat or cog?

And, I feel stupid asking this, but, what's an FTL?
lonerider26 - [lonerider26 at gmail dot com]
"The story is told-though who can say if it be true..."~Shari
posted @ Thu, Nov 27, 2008 9:43:26 pm EST from 71.239.117.121

Well I just guess I'm so used to the Star Trek and Star Wars models of Sci-Fi.

I mean, Star Trek, 2063 the FTL barrier was broken. I was figuring that the timeline'd be near the same in Gargoyles 2198.
Robby Barrows - [rbgecko at yahoo dot com]
SuperSaiyaMan12
posted @ Thu, Nov 27, 2008 9:17:43 pm EST from 68.186.243.160

Robby> Why is that strange? Why should it be possible by 2198? Because other sci-fi has done it? In other sci-fi you can breed cats with dogs. Doesn't mean it's possible.

Keep in mind, they used to say we'd have flying cars and moon colonies by now. So, unless you have a crystal ball and can actually see what our technological level will be by 2198, I don't think you should be calling it strange.
Greg Bishansky - [<--- Register for the Gathering of the Gargoyles]
posted @ Thu, Nov 27, 2008 9:08:34 pm EST from 24.205.39.101

****Blaise appears in a puff of smoke and sets down a turkey, a spiral ham, and a pumpkin pie.****

Just wishing everyone a Happy Thanksgiving (U.S.A. variation). Oh, and before I forget....

BATTLE BEAST> A very belated Happy Birthday. And all things considered, getting older is usually preferable to the alternative.

Until next time, farewell. ****Blaise whistles up a large wolf and rides out of the Room.****
Blaise
posted @ Thu, Nov 27, 2008 9:08:33 pm EST from 75.80.63.164

Its strange that the FTL barrier for Earth hadn't been broken by 2198. I mean, by that time, it should have been possible.
Robby Barrows - [rbgecko at yahoo dot com]
SuperSaiyaMan12
posted @ Thu, Nov 27, 2008 8:37:07 pm EST from 68.186.243.160

Huh. That's neat, having colonies on other planets. It just makes me even more exited than I already am for Gargoyles:2198...
lonerider26 - [lonerider26 at gmail dot com]
"The story is told-though who can say if it be true..."~Shari
posted @ Thu, Nov 27, 2008 8:33:39 pm EST from 71.239.117.121

DPH: And what's wrong with that? Honestly, it's one of the few trilogies not suffering heavily from the Rule of Thirds in movie trilogies. Part III has a few problems, but not as many as other third installments in a trilogy.
Harvester of Eyes
"Do you wanna know why I use a knife? Guns are too quick. You can't savor all the... little... emotions. In... you see, in their last moments, people show you who they really are. So in a way, I know your friends better than you ever did. Would you like to know which of them were cowards?" -The Joker ("The Dark Knight")
posted @ Thu, Nov 27, 2008 6:55:22 pm EST from 69.123.208.228

Patrick - Remembering images from BTTF 2, are we?
dph_of_rules
Whatever happened to simplicity?
posted @ Thu, Nov 27, 2008 6:12:30 pm EST from 98.20.228.240

Happy Thanksgiving!

Science fiction promised us flying cars and personal nuclear reactors the size of a coffee machine by 2015. Keep that in mind when figuring the solar system will be colonized by the end of the 22nd century. :P
Patrick - [<-- The Gathering 2009]
"A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men." - Willy Wonka
posted @ Thu, Nov 27, 2008 5:48:48 pm EST from 76.205.100.214

2198> It's been asked. By 2198, Earth will have colonies elsewhere in the Solar System (no details exactly where) but none further out than that. Here's the ref: http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=6501
Supermorff
posted @ Thu, Nov 27, 2008 3:10:52 pm EST from 86.140.64.23

Happy Thanksgiving!
Asatira
posted @ Thu, Nov 27, 2008 3:08:10 pm EST from 68.190.20.172

Actually, I can answer that question. Or rather, Greg has already answered it. This is a direct quote from the Gargoyles: 2198 Proposal document:

"Before the Space-Spawn arrived, the people of Earth had made seemingly miraculous advances in science and technology. Though faster-than-light travel was thought to be impossible, Earth had rockets that could approach that speed, allowing them to colonize their own solar system (the Moon, Mars, etc.). Meanwhile, great domed cities were being built on the ocean floor. And even the inhospitable Antartic continent became the home of the utopian "New Camelot" where humans and gargoyles lived in peace inside sophisticated artificial environments operated by the Master Matrix."
Matt - [St Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Except for Goliath we don't have names." "How do you tell each other apart?" "We look different." "But what do you call each other?" "Friend." -Lexington, Tom and Brooklyn, 'Awakening Part One'
posted @ Thu, Nov 27, 2008 3:04:17 pm EST from 70.230.147.119

Robby: You would have to ask Greg Weisman that.
Greg Bishansky - [<--- Register for the Gathering of the Gargoyles]
posted @ Thu, Nov 27, 2008 1:00:53 pm EST from 24.205.39.101

A few questions about Gargoyles: 2198:

Has the people of Earth colonized the solar system of that time? Making Colonies on the Moon, Mars, etc? As well as breaking the FTL barrier?
Robby Barrows - [rbgecko at yahoo dot com]
SuperSaiyaMan12
posted @ Thu, Nov 27, 2008 12:13:32 pm EST from 68.186.243.160

I hate to burst your bubbles, everyone, but Thanksgiving was in October! :P

Happy Thanksgiving, everyone!
Battle beast - [Canada]
That is all I will say.
posted @ Thu, Nov 27, 2008 11:32:32 am EST from 75.153.184.20

Happy Thanksgiving everyone!

So going to see relatives and everything?
Robby Barrows - [rbgecko at yahoo dot com]
SuperSaiyaMan12
posted @ Thu, Nov 27, 2008 10:48:58 am EST from 68.186.243.160

Patrick: Not if you're in Bizarro-verse. Then the answer is always 24.

Happy Thanksgiving, everyone! I'm currently at my father's house in Long Island, and getting several reminders of why I prefer cats over dogs.
Harvester of Eyes
"Twenty-four is the largest number!" -Bob Odenkirk ("Mr. Show")
posted @ Thu, Nov 27, 2008 9:53:45 am EST from 69.123.208.228

Happy Thanksgiving, everyone!

I've mentioned before reading a webcomic called "Gunnerkrigg Court" (which I highly recommend, by the way - click on my name to go there). The latest page had the main character encountering Coyote the Trickster (who here looks like a stylized coyote rather than like a younger edition of Peter Maza, by the way) who tells her about how he created many of the constellations (but lost interest halfway through and left - feeling embarrassed afterwards that he forgot to make a constellation of himself). One of the commenters who visited the page said that this Coyote reminded them more of Jackal or maybe Dingo; I assumed it to be a reference to the Pack, and left a comment of my own expressing delight at finding someone else who remembered "Gargoyles" there.
Todd Jensen
gunnerkrigg.com/index2.php
posted @ Thu, Nov 27, 2008 7:37:26 am EST from 4.244.209.245

Happy Thanksgiving, everyone!
Spen
"Ad-lib excitement."
posted @ Thu, Nov 27, 2008 6:08:43 am EST from 66.43.205.110

just wanted to post this, this isnt my work, i just found it,
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://209.132.96.165/zbc/attachment.php%3Fattachmentid%3D99046&imgrefurl=http://209.132.96.165/zbc/showthread.php%3Ft%3D60977&usg=__CksppXY6ybMcRp9X1d_rJucoQoA=&h=713&w=1000&sz=291&hl=en&start=51&sig2=NiCONXZWTJUlxyI85Y2ITQ&um=1&tbnid=jmDNM4a5E4LXaM:&tbnh=106&tbnw=149&ei=oWEuSb-UD4fYNPHYgMwG&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dgargoyles%2Bgoliath%2B3d%26start%3D42%26ndsp%3D21%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN
david - [snake85027 at yahoo dot com]
db
posted @ Thu, Nov 27, 2008 4:03:01 am EST from 70.176.83.55

Happy Thanksgiving, everyone!
VoLpE de FuEgO - [sailorx78 at hotmail dot com]
waaazzzaaa
posted @ Thu, Nov 27, 2008 3:48:49 am EST from 75.74.224.252

Kind of late now, I know, but happy birthday anyway, BB.

And happy T-Day, too.
KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra582 at gmail dot com]
Grr. Arg.
posted @ Thu, Nov 27, 2008 1:26:20 am EST from 68.75.20.175

Correction to post: attacked
lonerider26 - [lonerider26 at gmail dot com]
"The story is told-though who can say if it be true..."~Shari
posted @ Thu, Nov 27, 2008 12:00:07 am EST from 71.239.117.121

Robby: Well, there's quite a few in Awakening, when the Vikings attack. So...
lonerider26 - [lonerider26 at gmail dot com]
"The story is told-though who can say if it be true..."~Shari
posted @ Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:59:11 pm EST from 71.239.117.121

But what is the question?
lonerider26 - [lonerider26 at gmail dot com]
"The story is told-though who can say if it be true..."~Shari
posted @ Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:58:11 pm EST from 71.239.117.121

The answer is 42.
Patrick - [<-- The Gathering 2009]
"A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men." - Willy Wonka
posted @ Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:32:24 pm EST from 76.205.100.214

Greg - K.
Battle beast - [Canada]
That is all I will say.
posted @ Wed, Nov 26, 2008 6:50:24 pm EST from 75.153.187.140

No, there isn't even an estimate on the Wyvern Clan's original size before the Massacre.
Robby Barrows - [rbgecko at yahoo dot com]
SuperSaiyaMan12
posted @ Wed, Nov 26, 2008 6:46:34 pm EST from 68.186.243.160

Sounds reasonable. Give me a week or so.
Greg Bishansky - [<--- Register for the Gathering of the Gargoyles]
posted @ Wed, Nov 26, 2008 6:33:05 pm EST from 24.205.39.101

Robby: Oh really, it isn't? Since when?
lonerider26 - [lonerider26 at gmail dot com]
"The story is told-though who can say if it be true..."~Shari
posted @ Wed, Nov 26, 2008 6:28:24 pm EST from 71.239.117.121

Sorry, I missed Greg`s post.

Greg - I paid $30 for it... if you`ll pay that, and shipping... that`s all I ask... what do you figure for this figure?
Battle beast - [Canada]
That is all I will say.
posted @ Wed, Nov 26, 2008 6:11:25 pm EST from 75.153.187.140

Thanks, Purplegoldfish and Wingless!

Wingless> It's funny you should mention that... last night when I added my two cents I got "1125" which WAS the day AND my birthday!!! Two freaky coincidences... *Twilight Zone theme starts*
Battle beast - [Canada]
That is all I will say.
posted @ Wed, Nov 26, 2008 6:07:08 pm EST from 75.153.187.140

Battle Beast-Getting older stinks-but we all gotta do it *hugs* happy Birthday just the same(there's a good reason to like Birthdays-lots O hugs ^_^
Strangely as I enter this message, the code I have to enter has 1966 as the first 4 characters-the year of my birthday-how warped is that?
Wingless
posted @ Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:34:32 pm EST from 99.245.254.123

Happy Birthday Battle Beast! Not a big fan of them either.
Purplegoldfish
posted @ Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:24:16 pm EST from 64.148.56.178

No, it isn't. There isn't even an estimate like the other clans.
Robby Barrows - [rbgecko at yahoo dot com]
SuperSaiyaMan12
posted @ Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:20:27 pm EST from 68.186.243.160

Robby> Isn't that in the GargWiki?
Greg Bishansky - [<--- Register for the Gathering of the Gargoyles]
posted @ Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:13:37 pm EST from 24.205.39.101

Robby is a Disney exec who wants to know just how much obsessed the fans are, so he can see if DVD S 2.2 will be a success. :D
Brook
posted @ Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:12:14 pm EST from 84.191.220.181

What was the total size of the Wyvern Clan before the Massacre?
Robby Barrows - [rbgecko at yahoo dot com]
SuperSaiyaMan12
posted @ Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:03:46 pm EST from 68.186.243.160

Battle Beast> That is the only one I'm missing. Shall we work something out?
Greg Bishansky - [<--- Register for the Gathering of the Gargoyles]
posted @ Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:42:34 pm EST from 24.205.39.101

I HAVE A HUDSON APPLUSE FIGURE FOR SALE.

Let me know.
Battle beast - [Canada]
That is all I will say.
posted @ Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:24:36 pm EST from 75.153.187.140

I would like to add: I do not rate GARGOYLES with TGC. TGC is kind of "Spin-off" for me - so many storylines, charactertraits and backgrounds are droppen in the story, and even behind the scenes there's hardly a connection. They tried, and at times they hit it here and there, but often, they just failed miserably. :(

TGC is like its own show. I see it like that.
Brook
posted @ Wed, Nov 26, 2008 9:30:35 am EST from 84.191.200.189

WHOA, long one... here we go.

Anonymous: "Sorry, i saw it too often, becoming nothing more but: L"ook, look, how great ILM is, animating thousands upon thousand of watchamcallit..."

I totally agree. I hate CGI and don't want to see it.

However, I disagree about it being campy to have real actors portraying them. Take a look at Batman and X-Men and Lord of the Rings and Hellboy. Now that are cool costumes, ain't they?
Really - it is just about how you do it.
I mean, Burton used CGI in Sleepy Hollow and Charly, and did somebody complain? No. Why? because it looked good!
In this case, I'd go with minimal CGI to no CGI.

"Take a look at Bayformers, who are named as stars of the movie: Shia LaBeouf and Megan Fox, not Optimus Prime, or Megatron..."

I have NEVER heard of these two actors before that film, and even after I started recognizing their names - they are nobody to me. Why? because they can't act. ;) Arguable, sure, but they are not really Kevin Bacon, Sean Penn or Jennifer Connely. (the latter would do a great Elisa, but that mught require donning her cultural background)

Harvester: "Brook: Assuming you don't count the Goliath Chronicles, what would that bring your rating to?"

OH - Goliath Chronicals is 6/10, not the entire series. Of course.
I'd rate the entire series without GC... 9 out 0f 10 probably. But it gets a 10/10 because of overall awesomeness!!

Monkey: "Brook, ARE YOU INSANE?!

"The closest a comic book got to the source without really ++ it up was X-MEN,"

The first movie had Iceman as a student and didnt even include Beast or Angel. Now, yes X3 revealed that... "

See, this is what I mean.
The film styed close to the source, yet it did not take everything 1:1. WHO CARES if Iceman is a student if this is a good way to introduce him and who cares if Beast is in 1 or 2?
These films are magnificient and keep the essence of Wolverine, Magneto, Mystique etc. way better than most comic movies. Again, take a look at Daredevil. Or X3 for that matter, which was rather dull - BUT X3 had a right to be dull, for Synger stepped out and Rattner did it. I mention this to show how much the person behind the strings counts. If, say, Tim Burton did GARGOYLES, we'd be up for a good film, no matter how much he would change it.

I have not seen Ironman, and I have no knowledge of its source material. Spiderman 1 was good, but nowhere near the best. Its hard to decide between Dark Knight, Batman Returns and Road to Perdition. A History of Violence was also brilliant, so was X2... oh well...
Brook
posted @ Wed, Nov 26, 2008 7:14:17 am EST from 84.191.200.189

The only thing I have heard about Ironman 2 is that Terrence Howard has been replaced with Don Cheadle. Personally, I cant see Cheadle as WarMachine. Howard has that look.

As for the time travel loop not having a beginning, think of it this way: What came first, the chicken or the egg?
Monkey - [johnr783 at hotmail dot com]
posted @ Wed, Nov 26, 2008 5:49:20 am EST from 69.155.116.210

"Do we have a concrete description of what Katana looks like? Or Nashville and Tachi? Or Brooklyn's permanent injury?"

No. Greg's not revealing.
lonerider26 - [lonerider26 at gmail dot com]
"The story is told-though who can say if it be true..."~Shari
posted @ Wed, Nov 26, 2008 5:48:24 am EST from 71.239.117.121

Does anyone know of any Applause Figurines available for sale? I'd really like to collect the set but alas I've only found Demona (with the black hair)

Please contact me if you would like to sell or know anyone who does. Thanks!
hsentry - [hsentry at hotmail dot com]
posted @ Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:16:10 am EST from 123.243.141.200

Tom> Gargoyles and humans are separate species and cannot have children together.

As for gargoyle biology, go over to the GargWiki. Everything you want to know is there.
Greg Bishansky - [<--- Register for the Gathering of the Gargoyles]
posted @ Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:04:55 am EST from 24.205.39.101

I'm also confused on interbreeding. You can mate to similar cats like a Lion and a Tiger, and you can create a Liger. Sadly, the Liger cannot produce offspring of it's own. Would this apply to a human and Gargoyle hybrid? If that is even possible considering the species difference.
Tom
posted @ Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:02:01 am EST from 71.218.224.154

Ok. I have another question. How is it that Gargoyles resemble humans, mammals, reptiles, unicorns, and birds?
Tom
posted @ Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:48:25 am EST from 71.218.224.154

Ok. I guess. That's a little hard to believe, and it seems a bit illogical, but Greg has his own belief on time travel. So I guess I can accept his time travel rules for the sake of the Gargoyles' series. Personally, I prefer the Futurama time travel rules, and the Star Trek rules. I just need to adjust my "Does Not Compute" programming. Thanks for the rules.
Tom
posted @ Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:24:05 am EST from 71.218.224.154

There was no beginning of the loop. The loop was always there. Born with the time stream, so to speak.
Greg Bishansky - [<--- Register for the Gathering of the Gargoyles]
posted @ Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:10:30 am EST from 24.205.39.101

Nevermind. I guess the time loops work if you consider the begining of the loop off screen. They never show the begining though. So it makes time travel seem a little flawed.

BTW. Thanks for answering my Lexington questions. Personally, I hope Greg makes Lexington bisexual. I would certainly like to see a little Lexington baby continue his genious legacy. Hopefully, two male gargoyles can mate and produce an egge. Then I wouldn't mind him being gay.
Tom
posted @ Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:59:26 am EST from 71.218.224.154

Tom> Okay, you are obviously having trouble with time travel, but these are the rules, read this.

http://s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/faq.php?s=faq20#3
Greg Bishansky - [<--- Register for the Gathering of the Gargoyles]
posted @ Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:54:54 am EST from 24.205.39.101

BTW. I don't think time travel exactly works in Gargoyles. For instance, how did the Archmage survive his fall in the first place? If he fell and died, he technically couldn't go back in time to save himself. Therefore, the only way in which time travel loop works is if he survived in the first place and found a way to go back and save himself off-screen. This is never explained. The same thing goes for Xanatos and his ancient coin loop.
Tom
posted @ Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:51:32 am EST from 71.218.224.154

When Greg made "The Gathering pArts 1 & 2" and "Turf" he didn't know Lexington was gay. And Lexing ton hasn't "come out" yet in the comics. Greg Revieled that Lexington is gay in "Ask Greg." It has never been mentioned in the comics yet. So as far as Cannon is concerned, Lex is still straight.

And I still hate birthdays. Getting older stinks.
Battle beast - [Canada]
That is all I will say.
posted @ Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:50:13 am EST from 75.152.145.177

TOM> Lexington doesn't realize he's gay yet. And no, there is no inconsistency there, I know quite a few gay people who dated members of the opposite sex before realizing they were gay.

So, no, Greg forgot nothing.
Greg Bishansky - [<--- Register for the Gathering of the Gargoyles]
posted @ Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:47:17 am EST from 24.205.39.101

I was wondering. I just watched all of the old Gargoyle Episodes, and two episodes in season 2 kind of counteract the canon continuation writings in the Gargoyle comics. When Angela is introduced to the clan for the first time. Lexington smiles, and nudges Brooklyn. Then in another season 2 episode Lexington joins his clan brothers in a contest for the love of Angela. Yet in the comics Lexington is gay. Doesn't this make Lexington bisexual? Or did Greg Weisman forget the episodes content altogether.
Tom
posted @ Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:40:16 am EST from 71.218.224.154

Do we have a concrete description of what Katana looks like? Or Nashville and Tachi? Or Brooklyn's permanent injury?
Robby Barrows - [rbgecko at yahoo dot com]
SuperSaiyaMan12
posted @ Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:26:46 am EST from 68.186.243.160

Birthdays. Bah. They stink.
Battle beast - [Canada]
That is all I will say.
posted @ Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:20:51 am EST from 75.152.145.177

Nevermind. Went over it on the timeline again and it was a typo on the part of the Jon Castaway article. Shouldn't Jason's birthdate be listed in his article?
Robby Barrows - [rbgecko at yahoo dot com]
SuperSaiyaMan12
posted @ Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:14:19 am EST from 68.186.243.160

I just noticed something on the Gargoyle wiki about Jason, Robyn, and Jon. Robyn is the middle child, correct? Then why is she younger than Jon, who was shown as the youngest in the 1980 flashback?
Robby Barrows - [rbgecko at yahoo dot com]
SuperSaiyaMan12
posted @ Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:02:03 am EST from 68.186.243.160

Robby> But your hypothetical is an impossible, given the rules of this universe. History just cannot be changed.
Greg Bishansky - [<--- Register for the Gathering of the Gargoyles]
posted @ Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:46:37 am EST from 24.205.39.101

21, why? I was just trying to make a simple hypothetical.
Robby Barrows - [rbgecko at yahoo dot com]
SuperSaiyaMan12
posted @ Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:42:45 am EST from 68.186.243.160

Robby> The rules of time travel in the Gargoyles Universe could not be clearer.

History cannot be changed. It is impossible. Can't happen. You won't, because you didn't.

Out of curiosity, how old are you?
Greg Bishansky - [<--- Register for the Gathering of the Gargoyles]
posted @ Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:14:15 am EST from 24.205.39.101

I've been wondering something about the Phoenix Gate. Suppose you go to the past and accidentally transport someone without into the future, someone whose work in history hadn't been finished. When you arrive in the future, could thinks really be changed if something like that happened? Like if you take Edison with you, would the future you return to be without the lightbulb and all other things he invented?
Robby Barrows - [rbgecko at yahoo dot com]
SuperSaiyaMan12
posted @ Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:00:42 am EST from 68.186.243.160

Monkey> "NO, the best comic book adaptation was Ironman. That movie took you from his origin all the way through to the beginning of the Civil War and Downey Jr. was the perfect Tony Stark. That or Spiderman 1 and 2. Not part three with evil emo Parker. That one was lame."

Agreed. Any word on Iron Man 2 yet?
KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra582 at gmail dot com]
Grr. Arg.
posted @ Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:30:38 pm EST from 68.75.20.175

Meant to say a Trojan *CANT* stop Superman's super sperm, sorry.
Monkey - [johnr783 at hotmail dot com]
posted @ Tue, Nov 25, 2008 9:19:17 pm EST from 69.155.116.210

Brook, ARE YOU INSANE?!

"The closest a comic book got to the source without really ++ it up was X-MEN,"

The first movie had Iceman as a student and didnt even include Beast or Angel. Now, yes X3 revealed that Beast worked with the X-Men before the events of part one but Iceman, an ORIGINAL MEMBER in the comic book, was a student! Angel made his appearance in X3 despite his being an original member as well.

2nd movie was decent. Not too much to complain about on that one. BUT THE THIRD! Jean Grey is schizophrenic and her alter ego is Phoenix?! Scott, Jean and Professor die?! And that cheesy, "Charles always like to build bridges" scene. Oh come on! That movie was ridiculous, good fight scenes but absolutely stupid. Have you even read the comics? Multiple Man was a villain? The guy LEADS X-Factor! He has fought as a member of X-Men. And Juggernaut is not a mutant, he receives his power from a crystal so Leech would have had no effect on him. Plus when they have Leech turn Beast's hand human again? His physical appearance has nothing to do with his mutant ability, his look is the result of an experiment gone wrong.

The X-Men movie series came no where NEAR the source material.

NO, the best comic book adaptation was Ironman. That movie took you from his origin all the way through to the beginning of the Civil War and Downey Jr. was the perfect Tony Stark. That or Spiderman 1 and 2. Not part three with evil emo Parker. That one was lame.

And Nolan's Batman movies are great and Superman Returns was underrated. I will admit that Superman having a son was a dumb move. Superman should have known to pull out. A Trojan can stop Superman's super sperm. Not even 300 Spartans can stop it.

In conclusion: The X-Men movie series was a horrible representation of the source material.
Monkey - [johnr783 at hotmail dot com]
posted @ Tue, Nov 25, 2008 9:17:18 pm EST from 69.155.116.210

Brook: Assuming you don't count the Goliath Chronicles, what would that bring your rating to?
Harvester of Eyes
"Do you wanna know why I use a knife? Guns are too quick. You can't savor all the... little... emotions. In... you see, in their last moments, people show you who they really are. So in a way, I know your friends better than you ever did. Would you like to know which of them were cowards?" -The Joker ("The Dark Knight")
posted @ Tue, Nov 25, 2008 7:35:20 pm EST from 76.106.6.201

"As for "Why watch a live action film" - because it would kick ass to see Goliath a la Perlam/Hellboy!! :D"

Sorry, i saw it too often, becoming nothing more but: L"ook, look, how great ILM is, animating thousands upon thousand of watchamcallit, totally real flight patterns, they sat hours and hours watching bats in some far away country, pushing CGI, nothing like the lolig animations from xxx years ago" and completely loosing all charme and atmosphere. And if there is a real life actor behind it, it quickly becomes all about "Newcomer/established actor XYZ" and not Goliath. Take a look at Bayformers, who are named as stars of the movie: Shia LaBeouf and Megan Fox, not Optimus Prime, or Megatron or "ILM is so totally awesome, they gave his canon 10k moving parts" Ironhide.

Going totally without CGI would be campy, so they have to and will use CGI, might as well go the whole way and animate it completely. Also means they can do a lot more things and don't have to worry about Stuntmen or the wrong light setting or rebuilding/renting parts of New York.

Look at all the comic movies, it's okay and envogue to watch them, but heaven hell to be caught with comics or toys, that's just for kids and nerdy fans.
Anonymous
posted @ Tue, Nov 25, 2008 7:15:09 pm EST from 89.246.203.137

@ Demon: I must throw in that I'm an aspiring screenwriter/director, so yeah, I HAVE to watch every live action film. XD
OK, not every, but a whole lot.
Usually, I watch the films of certain directors or actors. I watch films now and then because of the plotline, or because I read somewhere that it is essential/great. I rarely find something where I go "HEY; this is interresting to me.", just because my interrests are really broad. I'm not interrested in films by average/bad directors of course, or with average/bad actors.

I dunno, I really just watch animated films that stick out to me. Jin-Roh and GitS 1 & 2 are favourites of mine, for example.

But I really cannot recall the last animated I, WHOA, WAIT; yes, I can. :) it was RENAISSANCE, and I watched that one because of the animation style and the storyline. :)

As for "Why watch a live action film" - becasue it would kick ass to see Goliath a la Perlam/Hellboy!! :D

Seriously, I'd love to see how it is handled and done. You have to stick with certain things if you want to do such an enormous story in live action. With animation, you can animate everything you want. CGI surely improved this (at times on the bad), but I'd really love to see how it is done in "real". :) That's the reason why I try to grab a lot of "Comic-movies", because I want to see how a director presents and interprets the original storyline.

For example, I'd love to see the storylie of AWAKENING with a bit more realism and adult content. YEAH, think TDK in Gargoyle-form, or Children of Men.
Brook
posted @ Tue, Nov 25, 2008 4:53:44 pm EST from 84.191.254.244

Brook> Why would you go and see a live-action "Gargoyles" movie when you can just sit home and watch "Awakening"? I suppose it would be somewhat more visually "different," but i think there's also a much greater chance that it will pretty much just be "Awakening" in live-action. If it's animated, there's more reason to do something different since, as you pointed out, "Awakening" already exists.

I would hope that the preconditions you've listed for watching an animated film are pretty much the same as your standards for live-action. Do you watch live-action movies with bad stories or dull visuals just because they're live-action? I'm guessing not. I love animation, but that doesn't mean I sit through movies that I don't think I'll enjoy simply because they happen to be animated.

You are, of course, entitled to your opinion. But to me, not liking animated films makes about as much sense as not liking photographs.
Demonskrye - [demonskrye(at)gmail(dot)com]
posted @ Tue, Nov 25, 2008 4:30:57 pm EST from 146.115.115.33

Just a question: in difference to the comics, what size do the TPBs have?? Mine has yet to arrive with the mail.

Could somebody upp a hoto of both lying next to each other probably?
Brook
posted @ Tue, Nov 25, 2008 4:25:13 pm EST from 84.191.254.244

@ Greg: I know. I just said of Weisman quality, like the poster asked (forgot your name dude, sorry).
Whilst not fully GW's quality, these EPs at least were OK - not that bad. And tDotL has at least one now canonized scene in it. The rest is also flawed, but enjoyable and, with some minor changes, could be GW WPs.

@ Demon: What were these ideas?
And also - is the quality of it not the important thing?
I mean, people expected BATMAN to be different, but there were some people complaining about TDK before it came out, both about the actors to portray the villains and Nolans way of approaching them.
To be honest, I don't think Reeves is that good a director. I'd love to see this project in the hands of an artist rather than of a craftsman. :)

Just imagine Greg would write a really good script for it, and it would be handed to the director of Fantastic Four, or of Daredevil or Catwoman.

@ Anonymous: Personally, I'm not that big a fan of animated movies, except if a.) the story is really good or b.) the animation style is unique and artistic.
So why should I go see a Gargoyles animated full length film when I can also watch AWAKENING 1-5?
I mean I WOULD go, but I can see several people asking that question.
Brook
posted @ Tue, Nov 25, 2008 4:07:57 pm EST from 84.191.254.244

Gargoyles Movie> I actually very much agree with bluewyvern here. I think del Toro does put his stamp on movies based on existing properties. While I know that Mignola wants different version of Hellboy to actually be different interpretations of the character (which is why the Hellboy animated movies look very different from Mignola's style), I did feel like del Toro's Hellboy films put too much emphasis on the idea of Helbboy being a very average, blue collar guy who happens to be a demon. He comes off as being a little too like the Thing from the Fantastic Four for my tastes. (I love the Fantastic Four comics and the Thing, but I just don't feel like that's who Hellboy is.)

Brook, I get your point and I largely agree that fans often freak out over one photo because it isn't exactly like the original and then end up loving the final product regardless. But one the other hand, there's a big difference between a long running comic that has passed through the hands of numerous creators and a comic or other property that is largely the brainchild of a single person. Batman has been around for decades and had numerous revamps in comics, film, TV and other forms. Most people pretty much expect that Batman and his supporting cast are going to be handled differently each go around. If you have a movie that's based on something that's more nailed down to a single continuity, you tend to expect the film to be little closer to the source material. I'd go see a "Gargoyles" movie, but as I've said before, I'm not even all that crazy about the treatment Greg and (I think) Michael Reeves had for it at one point.

Anonymous, I am totally with you on that. I too hate the idea that a live-action movie somehow "legitimizes" a good animated property (or a bad one). My hopes for the live-action "Avatar" film are pretty low. I love the TV series, but what can a live-action film possibly accomplish beyond being very faithful to a great animated show? I kind of doubt it's going to add anything.
Demonskrye - [demonskrye(at)gmail(dot)com]
posted @ Tue, Nov 25, 2008 1:55:18 pm EST from 146.115.115.33

A better question would be which animation studio should do Gargoyles

I'm quite fed off with all the "RL is so superior and a Franchise only really good and watchable if it has a RL movie" thinking that is apparently going around.

Give me good animation any day of the week and not lameass "Ironhide's cannon as 10k computer animated parts, but no way in hell can we show clear action scenes" Bayformers (not mention the jokes of a story, characterisations and designs).

A movie doesn't need to Real Life (heavily supported by computer animation) to be on any kind of screen. Just because Pixar and co can only do cutesified and stylized comedy films, doesn't many that computer animation can't be used to make real movies.
Anonymous
posted @ Tue, Nov 25, 2008 1:06:40 pm EST from 89.246.203.137

Brook> Weisman had nothing to do with those episodes.
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The Thirteenth Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"A good story should provoke discussion, debate, argument...and the occasional bar fight." ~ J. Michael Straczynski
posted @ Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:00:35 pm EST from 24.205.39.101

Weissmans writing in TGC: The Dying of the Light (???) and Journey of course. "Angels of the Night" was quite OK, so was "Ransom" And, from what i remember, "Generations" was also OK... but I might be wrong...

Basically, these EPs justify my 6/10 claim for the series. The rest of the EPs has a good moment here and there, or a good bit of dialogue, but the rest is overall rather 3/10.
Brook
posted @ Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:50:28 am EST from 84.191.242.205

"The problem with Guillermo del Toro is that he becomes the master of the world he's creating for the movie, and imparts his own stylistic mark very strongly, sometimes to the detriment of the original style. "

I disagree here. Chris Nolan did the same with BATMAN. I remember fanboys crying out "ZOMFG; teh Jokar is NAWT having white skis for RLZ??? LAME!!", and in the end, we got the best Joker ever.
I also dont think that DelTorros Hellboy is that... different from the orriginal one.
The closest a comic book got to the source without really ++ it up was X-MEN, to me. I mean, c'mon, we don't want to get another DAREDEVIL-like fiasco on GARGOYLES, right??

So I'd rather like to see a Nolanized/DelTorrolized version than a bland Michael Bay/insertunknwondirectorwhodoesnotknowthesource/Uwe Boll version.

Personally, I started writing my very own version ages ago, staying true to the source with some minor changed to assure a good plot and to make it a bit more NC-17 friendly ;) but this will HARDLY ever leave my office. :)

@ Greg B: Fellini certainly would be interresting, but I think it would be quite out of propportion. I mean, Bergman and Antonioni also would do fantastic GARGOYLES films, but rather... well, "intellectual" ones I cannot see most of the fans liking.

OH, Nicolas Roeg would be my choice. He's not done a film in ages though. :(

With current mainstream directors, I'd go with DelTorro and Nolan for sure. Probably Aronofsky also, a shame we did not get his WATCHMEN version, it ould have been different a whole lot, but it might have been mor interresting than the current attempt of Snyder ("Guys, let's keep everything the way it is and, HO; WTF - that ending is weird, yeah, let's change that and keep the rest!!" - then again, probably the film might also end up like TDK did...)
Brook
posted @ Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:47:40 am EST from 84.191.242.205

I mean, on the quality of Weisman's writing. Like how some people say 'Tolkien Quality' or something?
Robby Barrows - [rbgecko at yahoo dot com]
SuperSaiyaMan12 "Deslegrate muri tempi et intervalia!"
posted @ Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:50:58 am EST from 68.112.246.2

Robby: So, what exactly do you mean by the term "Weisman Quality"? Does that mean it's good enough to put into a pie filling, or something?

Bluewyvern: I think I read somewhere that Demona is still fertile in both human and gargoyle forms. But whether the embryo would miscarry when she transformed is another story, since her reproductive system changes from a mammalian to one that lays eggs, and vice versa.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75 at gmail dot com]
"You know, you and my mother, you're like two peas in a pod. She can't use a phone, either, but she's seventy years old. What's your f**king excuse?" -Tony Soprano
posted @ Tue, Nov 25, 2008 9:08:51 am EST from 76.27.174.85

The problem with Guillermo del Toro is that he becomes the master of the world he's creating for the movie, and imparts his own stylistic mark very strongly, sometimes to the detriment of the original style. Guillermo's Hellboy was very different from Mignola's Hellboy, and while personally I thought it was great and enjoyed it very much, I imagine it was very frustrating for dedicated Mignola fans (I was a total outsider to the property). I wouldn't want such a strong creative personality messing with the Gargoyles universe. I want it Greg's way or the highway.
bluewyvern
"Attend the petty jealousies and angers that prey upon your heart."
posted @ Tue, Nov 25, 2008 1:20:57 am EST from 208.194.97.9

Guillermo de Toro, the director of the Hellboy Movies is also a very good choice, I think
Robby Barrows - [rbgecko at yahoo dot com]
SuperSaiyaMan12
posted @ Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:22:03 am EST from 68.186.243.160

Robby> Federico Fellini back from the dead.
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The Thirteenth Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"A good story should provoke discussion, debate, argument...and the occasional bar fight." ~ J. Michael Straczynski
posted @ Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:18:47 am EST from 24.205.39.101

If a live-action Gargoyles movie was made, who'd you want to direct? Personally, I'd go with Peter Jackson. Seems like the best choice. You?
Robby Barrows - [rbgecko at yahoo dot com]
SuperSaiyaMan12
posted @ Mon, Nov 24, 2008 11:47:09 pm EST from 68.186.243.160

Robby> None of them.
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The Thirteenth Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"A good story should provoke discussion, debate, argument...and the occasional bar fight." ~ J. Michael Straczynski
posted @ Mon, Nov 24, 2008 11:29:56 pm EST from 24.205.39.101

So what do you think were the 'Weisman Quality' episodes of Goliath Chronicles?
Robby Barrows - [rbgecko at yahoo dot com]
SuperSaiyaMan12
posted @ Mon, Nov 24, 2008 11:23:14 pm EST from 68.186.243.160

Robby> It's really not important. Greg is really the only one who can make any declarations on that, and I don't think it interests him much.
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The Thirteenth Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"A good story should provoke discussion, debate, argument...and the occasional bar fight." ~ J. Michael Straczynski
posted @ Mon, Nov 24, 2008 7:46:23 pm EST from 24.205.39.101

That thing really isn't put on pages or in the cartoons, more like in source books.
Robby Barrows - [rbgecko at yahoo dot com]
SuperSaiyaMan12
posted @ Mon, Nov 24, 2008 7:37:27 pm EST from 68.186.243.160

Robby> My general impression is that Greg's not big on quantifying things like that, the likely reason is that it just sets up the opportunity for him to contradict himself down the line. I imagine Greg has a rough idea of how strong the average gargoyle is and how strong each member of the Manhattan Clan is, but putting a definite number to it just opens the door for people saying "In issue 32, you had Goliath lift a statue which could not have possibly weighed less than 7.3 tons, but you had said he couldn't lift anything over 6.9 tons." It's just not worthwhile to get that specific.
Demonskrye - [demonskrye(at)gmail(dot)com]
posted @ Mon, Nov 24, 2008 7:24:00 pm EST from 146.115.115.33

Robby> Greg Weisman was asked something about this once. His answer was:

"I have no idea what I can bench, let alone Demona."
Greg Bishansky - [<---- The Thirteenth Annual Gathering of the Gargoyles]
"A good story should provoke discussion, debate, argument...and the occasional bar fight." ~ J. Michael Straczynski
posted @ Mon, Nov 24, 2008 4:37:24 pm EST from 24.205.39.101

What would be the average 'class strength' for most Gargoyles? Class Strength comes from Marvel, if you didn't know. For example, Spider-Man is a Class 10, since he can regularly bench 10 tons of weight without strain. So what would the the average class for most Gargoyles?
Robby Barrows - [rbgecko at yahoo dot com]
SuperSaiyaMan12
posted @ Mon, Nov 24, 2008 4:27:30 pm EST from 68.186.243.160

Robby Barrows> Assuming your username is SuperSaiyaMan12, then you now have editing rights on GargWiki. Enjoy!

Garg/human hybrids> Greg once commented that hybrids of this type couldn't be produced without help, but that Sevarius or Prospero might be interested in "helping". This comments struck me, since it's the real information we've been given about Prospero's role in the Gargoyles universe. Although, I guess it could just as easily have been Greg's way of saying "It's not really possible unless you use mad science or mad sorcery."

On a separate note, I've been thinking lately about fan art. It's quite rare for Greg to mention specific pieces of fan art on the site, but I've found a couple of comments in which Greg refers to a drawing of Thailog with a Xanatos-style goatee beard. I think it was by Revel? So I'm curious. Is there any way I could see that picture? Is it online anywhere?
Supermorff
posted @ Mon, Nov 24, 2008 3:19:45 pm EST from 86.158.4.51

Haha can you imagine some Valentine's day cards for gargoyles? That woul be so funny! I wonder what some of them would say... cant think of any off the top of my head but that would still b really funny.
RandomStan
posted @ Mon, Nov 24, 2008 2:11:06 pm EST from 209.243.35.199

Litwolf> I'm guessing that the closer a clan is to the human population and culture, the more likely they are to celebrate the holidays that the local humans celebrate. I suspect the Ishimura Clan takes part in at least some of the holidays that the villagers celebrate. The London Clan might have been influenced by human culture over the years even though they don't have close contact with all that many humans yet. Since the Manhattan Clan counts Elisa as a member as well as four younger gargoyles who have shown a lot of interest in human culture, I wouldn't be surprised if the Manhattan Clan adopts a few more human holidays as part of their tradition. Personally though, I'm more interested in learning about how gargoyles celebrate their own holidays and life events.

Hybrids> Fanfictions are littered with the viable offspring of human-gargoyle pairings, but I doubt we'll ever see a human-gargoyle hybrid in the canon unless Sevarius ever does manage to inject a human with gargoyle mutagen or vice-versa. As has been mentioned, Delilah is the closest thing we have to a hybrid right now and she's really more of a gargoyle with some cosmetic traits from Elisa, as Thailog requested. I think a good take on such a creature would balance the strengths and weaknesses of both species rather than simply making a creature that has all the ability of both with no drawbacks.

Robby Barrows> My personal theory is that there are generally a lot more humanoid looking gargoyles in the world because humans were slightly less likely to smash a gargoyle that had more human features than one that looked more alien. Theoretically this wouldn't be a problem for the Ishimura Clan, but I'm guessing they absorbed some refugees from other clans over the centuries. It's just a theory, but there may be some truth to it.
Demonskrye - [demonskrye(at)gmail(dot)com]
posted @ Mon, Nov 24, 2008 1:53:04 pm EST from 146.115.115.33

I'm pretty sure all gargoyle clans have a common ancestor. But, I think that the Wyvern clan is probably more closely related to the Ishimuran clan than, say, the Guatemalan clan...I would assume that all "old world" gargoyles are more closely related to each other than they are to "new world" gargoyles.

Geographically, I guess it would make the most sense for the Wyvern clan to be very closely related to the London clan, but of all the clans we've seen so far, the London clan is the clan that looks the most different from the Wyvern clan, so I don't know.
Rebel
posted @ Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:38:44 pm EST from 76.165.35.240

There seems to be very similar features between the Ishimura and Wyvern Clans, from their brow ridges, wings, overall body design. Has Weisman come forward to say that these two clans have a common ancestor?
Robby Barrows - [rbgecko at yahoo dot com]
SuperSaiyaMan12
posted @ Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:26:37 pm EST from 68.186.243.160

Do we know if Demona's still fertile? It occurred to me that I don't know the answer to that question. She was past her three lifetime breeding cycles when the Sisters' spell rejuvenated her...did it give her back that capacity, I wonder?

If so, there's a possible vector for a hybrid right there. Possible.
bluewyvern
"Attend the petty jealousies and angers that prey upon your heart."
posted @ Mon, Nov 24, 2008 11:17:16 am EST from 69.112.108.43

To add to what Ozzie has said, making cross breeds or hybrids tends to be a common modus operandi for fantasy stories and some sci-fi. Really pushes the idea of what species is to the breaking point, but still so much fun if handled well. But this is one thing I like about Gargoyles, it tends more often than not toward more realistic versions of things. Delilah is a hybrid in that she has both human and gargoyle DNA, but was carefully engineered so the human contribution is mostly superficial to the overall gargoyle form. Of course, the Third Race still pushes the concept, but Greg has explained that when they mate with whatever species, the individual IS that species and that's more or less what the contribution is.
Asatira
posted @ Mon, Nov 24, 2008 11:14:45 am EST from 68.190.20.172

Spen: Since I like cross-species, I just looked up Faulkner. Quite frankly, I could barely get past the first story. Too heavy on the very special OCs and the "we are intellectual".
Anonymous
posted @ Mon, Nov 24, 2008 8:57:12 am EST from 89.246.213.106

(Would be cool if somebody would comment on my last weeks comments. :( hate wehn they slip through the week-ending gash and don't want to post them again...)
Brook
posted @ Mon, Nov 24, 2008 8:44:44 am EST from 84.191.252.19

Patrick, Alot of fantasy style fiction seems to follow that logic as well. I mean look at all the half elves, half orcs (ew), half demons, etc.

Kinda late to the conversation but about the whole strange names conversation from last week. I still don't think I'll see anything as bad as the parents who named their kid Sephiroth. Not only are there alot of more normal sounding names from video games, but why would anyone in their right mind name their kid after a character who's main accomplishments are randomly killing alot of people and trying to destroy the world with a meteor so he can become god?
Ozzie Arcane - [ozziearcane at yahoo dot com]
"Hello Booby! This is a trap!" - Eggplant Wizard
posted @ Mon, Nov 24, 2008 7:47:31 am EST from 69.14.122.91

Humans can interbreed with every intelligent bipedal species in the galaxy if you believe "Star Trek." :P
Patrick - [<-- The Gathering 2009]
"A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men." - Willy Wonka
posted @ Mon, Nov 24, 2008 6:53:29 am EST from 70.239.2.254

And away we go on with the show!
Vinnie - [tpeano29 at hotmail]
posted @ Mon, Nov 24, 2008 5:58:02 am EST from 69.54.209.20

Tenth!

Robby : To get a glimpse of what a "naturally occuring" gargoyle-human hybrid would be like, I'd recommend reading the fanfiction of Jewel Faulkner.
Spen
"Ad-lib excitement."
posted @ Mon, Nov 24, 2008 4:10:59 am EST from 66.43.205.110

9th
vicky82
posted @ Mon, Nov 24, 2008 3:25:22 am EST from 194.129.65.74

Robbie>> Well, Delilah is a human/gargoyle hybrid, however, she only had a bit of Elisa's characteristics (slight hair style, voice, the face, etc.). Some if not all of Elisa's traits that Delilah got were manually constructed w/ Demona's genes by Sevarius so Delilah is a physical example of that kind of scientifically-forced genetic-combo hybrid-ization. As for how a naturally born Gargoyle-human hybrid would look like, well, I don't think we'll ever see that happen since they are 2 totally different species and a human female's body can't produce a hugarg w/ the help of a male Gargoyle, or vice versa. So I don't think we'll see this happen naturally, just scientifically and/or magically. With Sevarius' mind, you never know though LoL
VoLp E de FuEgO - [sailorx78 at hotmail dot com]
Innkeeper! Straw for my men, wine for my horses! ~ Edoardo Ballerini as "Oliver Chadwick" in 'Malevolent'
posted @ Mon, Nov 24, 2008 3:25:14 am EST from 69.134.174.76

8th :p
VoLp E de FuEgO - [sailorx78 at hotmail dot com]
Innkeeper! Straw for my men, wine for my horses! ~ Edoardo Ballerini as "Oliver Chadwick" in 'Malevolent'
posted @ Mon, Nov 24, 2008 3:06:48 am EST from 69.134.174.76

Seventh.
bluewyvern
"Attend the petty jealousies and angers that prey upon your heart."
posted @ Mon, Nov 24, 2008 3:03:36 am EST from 69.112.108.43

Sixth!!
Phoenician
"The Suspense is Terrible . . . I Hope it Lasts" -- Willy Wonka
posted @ Mon, Nov 24, 2008 2:50:54 am EST from 157.242.215.124

Shoot, fifth. Darnit...
lonerider26 - [lonerider26 at gmail dot com]
"The story is told-though who can say if it be true..."~Shari
posted @ Mon, Nov 24, 2008 2:12:17 am EST from 71.239.117.121

Fourth!

Litwolf: I dunno... If they celebrated Christmas, they'd probably use a yule log...
Anonymous
posted @ Mon, Nov 24, 2008 2:11:01 am EST from 71.239.117.121

4th
Charisma82
Friends help you move. Real friends help you move bodies.
posted @ Mon, Nov 24, 2008 2:09:52 am EST from 74.61.242.107

Third!
Battle beast - [Canada]
That is all I will say.
posted @ Mon, Nov 24, 2008 1:37:09 am EST from 75.152.238.176

I wonder, what would be the traits inherited by a human/gargoyle hybrid. This question is, of course, if the...hybrid is sucessful and made through either magical or scientific means. So what traits would be inherited?
Robby Barrows - [rbgecko at yahoo dot com]
SuperSaiyaMan12
posted @ Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:43:13 am EST from 68.186.243.160

Robby > The GargWiki people who have the power to give editing powers pop here from time to time. They should see your request and grant it.

A new week, Thanksgiving week, and only two more days of class until my long break! Whoot whoot!

Can I start off the new week right away with a question? I was thinking about holidays and watching 'Eye of the Beholder' and I wondered if the Manhattan Clan or any other modern day clans celebrated any other holidays besides Halloween. I understand why they like Halloween because they can fit in with the human crowds one day a year but do you think gargoyles sit down to a Thanksgiving feast, exchange gifts at Christmas, or show a little extra affection to their mate on Valentine's Day? Any thoughts?

I feel like they might since the Manhattan Clan, especially the Trio, seem eager to learn human customs from Elisa so I think they might take an interest in modern human holidays.

Oh, and second! =3
Litwolf
<Be happy for me and for all who fly free.> - Tobias of Animorphs
posted @ Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:28:10 am EST from 209.243.38.9

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