Comment Room Archive : Gargoyles : Station Eight

Cubone> Well, different gargoyles could be viewed as the longest lived depending on how you look at it. Hudson hatched in 878 and is still alive, so that makes him 1119 years old in 1997 and probably makes him the oldest gargoyle in the world chronologically, but biologically he is only 119 years old due to the Sleep Spell. Old Pog of the London Clan on the other hand hatched in 1798, making him biologically 199 in 1997, much older than Hudson biologically. And then there is Demona who hatched after Hudson and is much younger biologically than Hudson or Old Pog, but has lived a longer life-span due to her immortality.
So depending on how you look at it, the oldest gargoyle could be Hudson or Old Pog or Demona. It all depends on how you define "age" and "old".

And no, there are a few other clans we have not seen yet at all that exist in 1997. Take a look at the GargWiki for more information.
Matt - [ewoks11 at hotmail dot com]
"For science, which, as my associate Fang indicated, must move ever forward. Plus there's the money... and I do love the drama!" -Sevarius, 'Louse'
posted @ Sun, May 23, 2010 6:48:53 am EDT from 76.217.239.172

It's possible, looking at one of the linked tributes (http://srbissette.com/?p=9077), that it's a different person. It says here "please note that the imdb listing for 'Steve Perry' is incorrect, conflating his TV writing credits with another animation writer named Steve Perry (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0675310/)". Either way, it's a horrible crime.
Ed
posted @ Sun, May 23, 2010 4:23:37 am EDT from 87.86.55.65

Sorry for the message coming up twice. The window wouldn't load, so I had to rescend it.
KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra582 at gmail dot com]
Grr. Arg.
posted @ Sun, May 23, 2010 2:33:46 am EDT from 99.177.172.217

Greg> Holy crap, dude.
KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra582 at gmail dot com]
Grr. Arg.
posted @ Sun, May 23, 2010 2:32:59 am EDT from 99.177.172.217

Greg> Holy crap, dude.
KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra582 at gmail dot com]
Grr. Arg.
posted @ Sun, May 23, 2010 2:32:55 am EDT from 99.177.172.217

As an added note on the Shangri-las. They were from Queens, New York. Can only wonder if any of them got to see the Garg ep. 2 of the sisters have died. Mary Anne Ganser died in 1970 and her sister Marge died in 1996. That leaves Mary and Betty Weiss(despite they were often pictured as a trio).
Wingless
posted @ Sun, May 23, 2010 1:54:56 am EDT from 99.245.254.123

So I've heard. When I watch Generator Rex sometimes, it reminds me of Gargoyles.

When I see the group of villians that call themselves "The Pack", I think of Gargoyles. They even got a wolf in the gang, but robotical. I find it amusing.
NinjaSheik
posted @ Sun, May 23, 2010 12:43:34 am EDT from 24.252.116.66

"Leader of the Pack" is a 1964 pop song recorded by girl group The Shangri-Las. It became number one on the Billboard Hot 100 on November 28, 1964.
Greg Bishansky
Demona likes Buffalo Wings.
posted @ Sun, May 23, 2010 12:31:35 am EDT from 68.199.5.105

Well...Changing the subject, have any of you guys watch Generator Rex?

It's an awesome show and I found out of the upcoming episodes is titled "Leader of the Pack". Kinda funny how it's the same title for one of the episode for Gargoyles.
NinjaSheik
posted @ Sun, May 23, 2010 12:30:11 am EDT from 24.252.116.66

"Enter Macbeth", "Leader of the Pack", "Eye of the Beholder", "Walkabout" - Not often a #1 pick for fans, but real workhorse episodes with complex plotting and important character development. Introduced Macbeth and Anastasia, opened season 2, gave Dingo a soul, gave Xanatos a heart. He's a great writer.
Landon Thomas - [<- Gargoyles News Twitter Feed]
posted @ Sat, May 22, 2010 11:10:43 pm EDT from 216.250.163.157

All good questions, but who knows...
NinjaSheik
posted @ Sat, May 22, 2010 10:14:56 pm EDT from 24.252.116.66

NinjaShiek > Ahh, Boudicca, I forgot about that. I need to book up on season 2 again.

I assumed as much regarding Hudson getting a mate. I didn't expect him to find a second one, just someone that he's always around and trusts. Besides, as far as we officially know, Lex and Amp are just good friends. Is it safe to assume that Hudson is the oldest living Gargoyle? (disregarding the Magus's spell of course) I think it'd be cool if there was another old veteran gargoyle for him to share stories with and whatnot. Also, outside of nondescript Avalon gargoyles, are all the gargoyles in current-day know to us, or are there clans Greg hasn't extrapolated yet?

I just noticed that Samson is a descendant of both Goliath and Hudson by the way. That's awesome. I wonder if any of Broadway and Angela's descendants will look like Hudson (Or his mate, or Demona). I think it'd be cool to meet Hudson's mate in Dark Ages (if it goes back far enough). Would Greg give the Wyvern clan gargoyles pseudonyms just for simple reference purposes in the series? I know a few have gotten unofficial names.
lvl_27 Cubone
Does the sky need a name? Does the river?
posted @ Sat, May 22, 2010 9:32:47 pm EDT from 70.183.49.170

<lvl_27 Cubone> Hudson had a mate back in 994, but she died. Due to gargoyles traditions, once a mate passed on, the one left behind will remain single.

And Bronx mated with Bodicca. Fu-Dog is a guy.

<Greg> ARE YOU FREAKIN' KIDDING ME! HE'S MISSING!?!
NinjaSheik
posted @ Sat, May 22, 2010 9:10:51 pm EDT from 24.252.116.66

Nothing has been confirmed yet, but it's beginning to look like we're going to have to have a moment of silence for Steve Perry.

Warning, this article is not pretty.

http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2010/05/thundercats-writer-stephen-perry-missing-after-grisly-discovery/

He wrote "Enter Macbeth", "Leader of the Pack", "Eye of the Beholder", and "Walkabout."
Greg Bishansky
Demona likes Buffalo Wings.
posted @ Sat, May 22, 2010 8:58:42 pm EDT from 68.199.5.105

Hmm just finished watching The green and am a bit puzzled. What was the episode where Goliath got to see the sun? (not the one where he put on eye of odin)
Kiyona
posted @ Sat, May 22, 2010 8:57:37 pm EDT from 86.161.196.174

It's possible that Lex just got ticked that he never found an attraction towards a gargoyle (there's the possibility of Amp, as so blatantly shown in the comic, did anyone else think that was overdone? The panel with that look on his face is pretty cheesy), and snapped. Of course, the fact that he's using Xanatos' technology and his new attitude means there had to be a ton of other crap to make him lose it, but this is all hypothetical anyway, and I'm being sarcastic. There was that goofy bit in Clan Building vol. 1 where Brooklyn looks at Broadway and Angela that was pretty funny, but we know he gets hitched with Katana.

Seems kinda pointless to bring it up, since he already had a mate (resulting in Broadway), and he doesn't seem to warrant it, but does Hudson ever get a, I guess you could say trusted friend? (outside of Goliath or Bronx, I'm thinking more outside of the clan) You've got Broadway and Angela, Brooklyn and Katana, we can assume Lex and Amp, Goliath and Elisa, Bronx and Fu-Dog (am I right?), and then Hudson. He seems to be a loner, and he is old, but he doesn't seem to have a set second half, save maybe the blind guy, whos name I forget. (I haven't watched all of season 2 in a loooong time)
lvl_27 Cubone
Does the sky need a name? Does the river?
posted @ Sat, May 22, 2010 8:50:11 pm EDT from 70.183.49.170

[quote]Well, even before Lexington, Xanatos was attempting to secede from the Union in the early 21st Century. Which also doesn't seem like his style. I'm sure he loves our capitalist economy, since he's done so well in it.[/quote] Xanatos as a tea partier: someone MUST write this.
Ian Perez - [doknowbutchie at gmail dot com]
posted @ Sat, May 22, 2010 7:41:35 pm EDT from 67.206.212.0

HARVESTER - Good point. In fact, Goliath points out that the "Xanatos" of "Future Tense" wasn't acting like "the real Xanatos, even at his worst".
Todd Jensen
posted @ Sat, May 22, 2010 7:26:02 pm EDT from 4.244.208.205

I wonder how much of Puck's scenario was pre-planned and how much he was making up on the fly. Just look at "Brooklyn's" face when he hears about Demona and Thailog...

"Wha...Thailog? Oh well, Uh... He died! Yeah... in the, um... Clone Wars! Yeah that's the ticket!"

It wouldn't surprise me if evil Lexington was something he threw in at the last minute for shock value.
Algernon
posted @ Sat, May 22, 2010 7:24:51 pm EDT from 86.40.244.1

Todd: Well, even before Lexington, Xanatos was attempting to secede from the Union in the early 21st Century. Which also doesn't seem like his style. I'm sure he loves our capitalist economy, since he's done so well in it.
Harvester of Eyes
"Like I said... WAKE UP." -Puck ("Future Tense")
posted @ Sat, May 22, 2010 7:14:10 pm EDT from 72.196.238.187

Another reason why the "Future Tense" future is improbable (if not impossible): Xanatos was behaving in it like a conventional cliched cartoon super-villain (out for blatant global domination). The real Xanatos is far more original and subtle than that. (Of course, it wasn't the real Xanatos, even within Puck's nightmare vision, but Lexington using the Xanatos Program as a front.)
Todd Jensen
posted @ Sat, May 22, 2010 7:07:23 pm EDT from 4.244.208.205

Yeah, but the whole Brooklyn and Demona thing is still kinda gross.
NinjaSheik
posted @ Sat, May 22, 2010 6:19:18 pm EDT from 24.252.116.66

The comic also contains a few more amusing coincidences, such as Brentwood choosing to serve Thailog (which is like a parallel for evil Lexington), and also what appears to be a budding relationship between Malibu (Brooklyn's clone) and Delilah (who contains Demona's DNA).
Harvester of Eyes
"Like I said... WAKE UP." -Puck ("Future Tense")
posted @ Sat, May 22, 2010 5:34:22 pm EDT from 72.196.238.187

Add to the "spooky coincidence" list... there were no WTC twin towers in the skyline of "Future Tense" NYC.
Patrick
"A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men." - Willy Wonka
posted @ Sat, May 22, 2010 5:17:57 pm EDT from 173.88.135.205

Antiyonder have a good point.
NinjaSheik
posted @ Sat, May 22, 2010 5:04:44 pm EDT from 24.252.116.66

Andres> To back up the statement of Future Tense being a possible future, it was basically just one made up story after another. For instance, while Puck knew of Thailog through his association with Xanatos, he had no knowledge that Demona and Thailog has mated. Hence, "Brooklyn" made up that bit about the whole Clone Wars. And heck, Puck had no knowledge of The Clocktower until Goliath mentioned it to "Matt"

Not to mention that the Xanatos program kills Demona, when it's established that only Macbeth can kill her (which Puck would have made up a story if Goliath actually noticed).

So, while some elements came true, there's no way that the future as depicted would come to pass.

And while some of the prediction coming true might be hard to buy as a coincidence, many of them were plausible to begin with:

1. Xanatos having a son named Alex: Which Owen would know about, given his servitude to the Xanatos family.

2. The Clocktower being destroyed: Which would be a logical gloom and doom scenario for the Gargoyles.

3. The Ultra-Pack: Pack have been upgraded before, so future upgrades aren't hard to believe.
Antiyonder - [antiyonder at yahoo dot com]
Algernon's comment about Norman Osborn: One of the neat things about Dark Reign is that it gives Osborn the chance to expand his horizons beyond tormenting a twenty nine year old who still lives with his mom.
posted @ Sat, May 22, 2010 4:02:45 pm EDT from 71.115.241.194

Andres: In a sense, some of the things that we saw in the dream did come to pass (and some of those were altered somewhat), but that's really the extent of it.
Harvester of Eyes
"Like I said... WAKE UP." -Puck ("Future Tense")
posted @ Sat, May 22, 2010 3:08:04 pm EDT from 72.196.238.187

Exactly, how many of us had contacted them?

I think about five of us has contacted them, but I don't know. I contacted them, of course. I would do anything to help Gargoyles

Anyone who contacted BOOM!, say "Aye!".
NinjaSheik
posted @ Sat, May 22, 2010 2:22:26 pm EDT from 24.252.116.66

BOOM! Situation> It is very premature at this point to say that BOOM! might publish new Gargoyles comics, or that BOOM! is even interested in the license. What we are trying to do now is to convince BOOM! that there is an audience for Gargoyles and that they should look into the license, mostly by contacting them and telling them that we'd love to see them pick up Gargoyles. It is more of a possibility than it was previously that BOOM! could pick up the license, since they are now putting out comics based on other Disney Afternoon properties. But it is by no means anything close to a done deal. If you think this sounds like a good idea, contact BOOM! and tell them you'd like to see them do a Gargoyles comic.
Demonskrye - [<---AdViews Archive at The Ink and Pixel Club]
posted @ Sat, May 22, 2010 2:19:23 pm EDT from 146.115.115.75

ANDRES> "Future Tense" was not a possible future. It was Puck messing with Goliath's mind.
Greg Bishansky
Demona likes Buffalo Wings.
posted @ Sat, May 22, 2010 2:00:33 pm EDT from 68.199.5.105

I read in "Future Tense" with the whole Brooklyn and Demona being mates was for shock value. And I was defiantly shcoked and disgusted!

As for BOOM!, no word from them yet.
NinjaSheik
posted @ Sat, May 22, 2010 12:31:18 pm EDT from 24.252.116.66

It was more like a possible future the although yes a Puck Illusion. I hear talk that the Gargoyle comics may find a new home at Boom? No anouncements the?
Andres - [escodr3s at yahoo dot com]
Andres
posted @ Sat, May 22, 2010 11:47:23 am EDT from 79.214.68.191

I don't see Talon as stupid. I see him as being a highly immature, stubborn, volatile, brash (etc.,) kind of guy who doesn't think things through and cannot admit when he is wrong. And yeah, when you combine all those traits, I guess he might as well be stupid. But to me, stupidity is a permanent trait that you can't grow out of. But being immature, stubborn, volatile, brash, and so forth, are all traits that are not necessarily permanent--he could, in theory, grow up a little. I don't know if he will, but I think it's possible that he could. For the sake of Claw, Maggie, their baby, the clones, and all the humans living in the labyrinth under his care, I certainly hope he does someday.
Rebel
posted @ Sat, May 22, 2010 11:33:04 am EDT from 69.134.199.200

Andres> That episode were Goliath "went into the future" was actually just an elaborate illusion created by Puck. And while Greg may have used it to foreshadow some of his future plans, none of it should be taken for granted.

http://gargoyles.dracandros.com/Future_Tense
Algernon
posted @ Sat, May 22, 2010 10:38:11 am EDT from 86.41.120.86

Thanks for those of you that answered my 5 extended questions. Did not Know Weisman meant for Lexington to be gay. I guess my questions were not well put. The question about Fullmetal Alchemist and Harry Potter paralells is does anybody see Gargoyles as a for runner for these shows. The Cold Stone and Brooklyn question what I meant was is the composition of the Clan as shown in the Comice because if you remember in the series when Goliath goes to the future Brookyln mates with Demona and Coldstone is not part of the clan
Andres - [escodr3s at yahoo dot com]
Andres
posted @ Sat, May 22, 2010 9:40:09 am EDT from 79.214.68.191

Hey!

Next month, June 4 - 6 to be exact, the 2010 CaliFur convention will be held at the Marriott Hotel in Irvine (Orange County, CA).

One of our Guests of Honor is Kythera of Anevern, whom you probably know if
you've attended any of the Gathering of the Gargoyles conventions over the past ten years. Since they're not having the Gathering anymore, we're holding a few Gargoyles-related events in her honor at our convention.

Visit www.califur.com to find out more. And help us spread the word onto all the Gargoyles-fan forums you can think of. Thank you!
Rod O'Riley - [rodso64 at hotmail dot com]
Rod O'Riley
posted @ Sat, May 22, 2010 6:22:29 am EDT from 72.130.19.242

Greg B: Another example of Talon's stupidity that I like to cite comes from Kingdom. Fang isn't the most clever character in the Gargoyles universe, either, but even an amateur could see that he was baiting Talon into doing some irrational, such as attacking the Eyrie Building.
Harvester of Eyes
"I don't know, I'm making this up as I go." -Indiana Jones
posted @ Sat, May 22, 2010 1:31:01 am EDT from 72.196.238.187

Good point. You think Talon still hates Xanatos? I think so. Never forgave him, did he? Nope.

Here's another question; Due to what happened during the London arc in the comics, does that mean between Xanatos and Goliath and the rest of the clan?
NinjaSheik
posted @ Fri, May 21, 2010 9:57:41 pm EDT from 24.252.116.66

It's my opinion that, even if the spell weren't cancelled by the burning sky, a recording wouldn't work. Seeing and hearing the incantation is the pipeline that carries the magic to you; Demona casting the spell is what sends the magic down the pipe. Seeing and hearing a recording of the incantation after the fact just gives you the empty pipe.

Of course, I have no evidence to actually support this hypothesis. But if this weren't the case, any stories about magic in the digital age would get /really/ messy.

I hereby assert that this idea is not novel, and make no claim to it. Surely numerous others have arrived at the same basic conclusion, or assumed it for the sake of storytelling simplicity. Furthermore, I hereby release this particular explanation of the idea into the public domain. I think it's a good explanation and I wouldn't mind if others used it, verbatim or paraphrased.
Vid the Kid
Does this font make me look fat?
posted @ Fri, May 21, 2010 9:38:06 pm EDT from 99.177.172.217

Demonskrye> Well, as far as we know, she still has the spell. Good for us that there was no such thing as YouTube back in 1995.

DEMONA: At last, fifteen years... I can transform every human on the planet into a stone statue. ::She creates an account:: Now, how does this work? If I click this link, perhaps... what do you mean I've just been Rick Roll'd???
Greg Bishansky
Demona likes Buffalo Wings.
posted @ Fri, May 21, 2010 9:23:36 pm EDT from 68.199.5.105

I would think, however, that if Demona cast the exact same spell again and put it up on YouTube, everyone who saw it would turn to stone at night until the sky was set on fire again.

Am I the only one who finds what apparently happened to Thailog during "City of Stone" kind of hilarious, mostly because it happened to Thailog?
Demonskrye - [<---AdViews Archive at The Ink and Pixel Club]
posted @ Fri, May 21, 2010 9:11:27 pm EDT from 146.115.115.75

Greg answered that years ago. I can't find it right now, but once Xanatos set the sky on fire, the spell was no longer in affect.

Keep in mind, magic is not an exact science. So, anyone who has Demona's broadcast recorded would not be affected by it because the spell has been canceled.

Demona would have to do it all again if she wanted to turn everyone to stone again.
Greg Bishansky
Demona likes Buffalo Wings.
posted @ Fri, May 21, 2010 8:51:43 pm EDT from 68.199.5.105

Okay, fine; Derek's an idiot.

And Patrick, yes. I think that person will turn to stone.
NinjaSheik
posted @ Fri, May 21, 2010 8:40:40 pm EDT from 24.252.116.66

Patrick> Sounds like a question for Greg W.
KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra582 at gmail dot com]
Grr. Arg.
posted @ Fri, May 21, 2010 8:26:18 pm EDT from 99.177.172.217

So here's a question. If someone had recorded Demona's "City of Stone" broadcast back in 199(mumbles) and transferred that VHS recording into digital format and uploaded it to YouTube today... would anyone who watched it turn to stone when the sun rose?
Patrick
"A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men." - Willy Wonka
posted @ Fri, May 21, 2010 8:23:32 pm EDT from 173.88.135.205

<<You're saying Derek isn't smart? I don't think so. He's just stubborn.>>

Ahem...

"ELISA! I KNEW GOLIATH AND SEVARIUS WERE IN THIS TOGETHER BUT I CANNOT BELIEVE YOU'RE HELPING THEM!!!!!!!!"

Those are the words of a deeply stupid individual.
Greg Bishansky
Demona likes Buffalo Wings.
posted @ Fri, May 21, 2010 7:56:43 pm EDT from 68.199.5.105

My personal feeling is that a big part of the reason why Derek largely ignored the tape was because he really wanted to believe that Xanatos saw him as someone he wanted to hire. Much of "Her Brother's Keeper" deals with Derek feeling the need to distinguish himself, to be his own man rather than the latest Maza to become a cop. So he gets his shot to do something that's unrelated to his family, and then he gets told that it's actually all about his family. Xanatos didn't want Derek Maza; he wanted Elisa Maza's brother. That's got to be a blow to Derek's ego and it may have been his inability to face that possibility that helped him to convince himself that Xanatos couldn't be everything his sister said and that whatever skeletons the guy did have in his closet, Derek could handle.
Demonskrye - [<---AdViews Archive at The Ink and Pixel Club]
posted @ Fri, May 21, 2010 7:54:13 pm EDT from 146.115.115.75

You're saying Derek isn't smart? I don't think so. He's just stubborn.
NinjaSheik
posted @ Fri, May 21, 2010 7:05:25 pm EDT from 24.252.116.66

We've seen that Derek wasn't exactly the brightest kid in his class. Having him stay in Xanatos's employ really fits his character.
Harvester of Eyes
"I don't know, I'm making this up as I go." -Indiana Jones
posted @ Fri, May 21, 2010 6:40:12 pm EDT from 72.196.238.187

I agree with you, Algernon.
NinjaSheik
posted @ Fri, May 21, 2010 5:16:48 pm EDT from 24.252.116.66

Another possibility is that Derek listened to the tape but simply didn't believe it. The idea that Xanatos would stage his own assassination attempt sounds plausible to us because as viewers we have the advantage of being quasi-omniscient, all Derek has is the word of a convicted felon.
Algernon
posted @ Fri, May 21, 2010 4:55:58 pm EDT from 86.41.121.245

Actually, I think it's more than safe to say that Derek did listen to the tape. What exactly did Fox say on there that was so incriminating? That Xanatos set up his own assassination attempt to lure Derek into his service. While that's definitely messed up, it doesn't really give anything away anything on the level of what will eventually happen to Derek.

In fact, Derek may be so cocky and self-deluded that he thinks he can handle Xanatos.

"Xanatos isn't the reincarnation of Snidely Whiplash, and if he is, I can handle it!"

In fact, let me do a quick Ask Greg search.

*Searches* Ah ha! Found it! From the background memo to "Metamorphosis":

***

I think we should assume that in between the two seasons, Derek listened to Fox's taped "revelation" and that he and Elisa have already argued about it specifically. Now they are past that and in a mode of uneasy truce. He's talked himself into believing that Xanatos can't be that bad... or that if he is Derek'll find out for himself from the inside. Either way he can handle it. (Again: massive self-deception here.) Elisa has retreated to a "it's-your-life-but-don't-expect-me-to-approve" mode. They've agreed to disagree.

***

http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?rid=96

He listened to the tape, folks. Derek played with fire, thought he could handle it, and it blew up in his face.
Greg Bishansky
Demona likes Buffalo Wings.
posted @ Fri, May 21, 2010 3:27:01 pm EDT from 68.199.5.105

Her Brother's Keeper episode also has a hidden Mickey.
Roy
posted @ Fri, May 21, 2010 12:21:14 pm EDT from 64.183.15.38

Gargoyleslady> *comes out of lurker mode*

Good points about the episode. I concur with all of them, especially about Derek and the tape. It's fairly obvious that he didn't, since he's still in Xanatos' employ up until 'Metamorphosis'.
KingCobra_582 - [KingCobra582 at gmail dot com]
Grr. Arg.
posted @ Fri, May 21, 2010 11:34:07 am EDT from 99.177.172.217

Kiyona> Constance has the more pterosaur style wings ala Brooklyn. Odds are there are probably a couple more bat-winged London gargs that we haven't met yet, but overall feathered wings seem to be the prevailing norm.
Algernon
posted @ Fri, May 21, 2010 8:23:06 am EDT from 86.41.126.182

Hey guys! Just finished watching M.I.A again and I was wondering. Do English Gargoyles only have feathers and fur tailed?
Kiyona
posted @ Fri, May 21, 2010 5:42:03 am EDT from 86.161.196.174

Group hug? Group hug. :D

I think it's cool that discussion is booming. I don't see too much harm in people nitpicking about the series this site is a tribute to, so long as they remain civil. From my experience, everyone who frequents this place seems to be, which is AWESOME. More often than not, there's one who sticks out like a sore thumb and likes to ruin everyone's fun. One advantage to having a more mature fanbase. :)

I actually found out about the Darkwing Duck thing just this morning (via Demonskrye), and that made me a heck of a lot more optimistic about the BOOM! thing. There is a difference though, am I right? Wasn't Darkwing slated to run, regardless of the format? Just wondering, not trying to point out potential downfalls. Still, BOOM! bending to a niche fanbase's will bodes pretty well, especially since Greg would be more than happy to contribute his entire being to the series.
lvl_27 Cubone
Does the sky need a name? Does the river?
posted @ Thu, May 20, 2010 11:42:37 pm EDT from 70.183.49.170

Yeah, I know, Algernon. Thanks.
NinjaSheik
posted @ Thu, May 20, 2010 10:25:44 pm EDT from 24.252.116.66

I'm going to try reviewing episodes. First one:

Her Brother's Keeper - (focus: Elisa, Derek, Fox and Xanatos)

I've figured most of this out from listening to the dialogue and making connections in the episode.

Both Xanatos and Fox plotted to have Jackal and Hyena hit the Diamond Exchange to make him the next target so it would seem like this was all Fox's scheme. He staged his own assassination attempt to get Derek and knew Elisa couldn't do anything about it. He told Fox Elisa was coming and what his plans were because he could.

We learn for the first time that Xanatos created The Pack.

Fox boasts about how Xanatos is a genius and she refers to him as David so they're obviously seeing each other.

The Pack have no idea Xanatos is the boss, only Fox knows.

Derek trusted Xanatos and didn't believe Elisa. What she had been trying to tell him was that Xanatos is not somebody he should be putting his trust into.

Broadway felt so guilty about shooting Elisa, he was worried about her and wanted to help her.

The Derek Issue

Derek has been offered a job with Xanatos. Not good. What should Elisa do?

The clan's suggestions:

Goliath

*Tell Derek about them.

Elisa

* Not going to. She doesn't want to share them.

Broadway

* Shouldn't have to be her secret. Derek should trust her.

Brooklyn

* Trust doesn't mean much when Elisa's not being honest.

Lexington

* Catching Jackal and Hyena is more important.

Goliath again to Elisa

* Derek is her brother, show them to him if she has to. He has to believe her.

Xanatos had Jackal and Hyena hit Xanadu, his upstate retreat, to cement Derek's loyalty. He was using Derek as a pilot and personal bodyguard. He didn't need one. The job was a facade. He wanted to create mutates, gargoyle-like creatures, as his minions. This is how far ahead he plans in advance. He never made any mistakes in dealing with the gargoyles and Elisa. He lied.

Elisa and the clan have had past experiences with Xanatos and Derek did not know who he was dealing with. Not everything was as it seemed.

I can safely bet Derek did not listen to the tape containing Fox's revelations.
Gargoyleslady - [kendal dot renfro at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Thu, May 20, 2010 10:19:47 pm EDT from 209.235.111.116

NinjaSheik> Don't take it too personally if someone disagrees with you about something here in the comment room. We're all really passionate about Gargoyles and have strong opinions about it, so sometimes we disagree about stuff but 'tis all in good fun.

And some of us here like myself and Greg B. just love to argue and debate over all kinds of stuff Gargoyles related and otherwise. We enjoy it, it's like a sport to us but we always try to respect the opposing team.

Greg B. can be a bit brusque at times, I often find myself agreeing with his general point but thinking he could have found a better way to phrase it. But once you get past that, he really is a smart and stand-up guy, he's the kind of dude who wouldn't hesitate to look into the eyes of his dearest loved one and tell them they were acting like an idiot if he had to.
Algernon
posted @ Thu, May 20, 2010 9:49:48 pm EDT from 86.40.157.155

Yeah, I know, Antiyonder.
NinjaSheik
posted @ Thu, May 20, 2010 8:29:58 pm EDT from 24.252.116.66

NinjaSheik> Staying in with the canon is a great thing, but thinking outside the box doesn't hurt once and a while.

No arguements there. At the same time, it can be possible to deviate from the canon while making the fic feel like a logical extention of said canon with the proper execution.

Now to give some imput on how you plan to depict Katana, my only suggestion is that you don't let her physical appearance determine how you write her (personalitywise). Afterall, one aspect of Gargoyles is that physical appearances don't define the characters.

Xanatos for instance looks like someone who could be a protagonist and Broadway looks might give the impression to some that he's well "a big dumb gargoyle with his brains in his stomach".
Antiyonder - [antiyonder at yahoo dot com]
Algernon's comment about Norman Osborn: One of the neat things about Dark Reign is that it gives Osborn the chance to expand his horizons beyond tormenting a twenty nine year old who still lives with his mom.
posted @ Thu, May 20, 2010 8:17:44 pm EDT from 71.115.241.194

A good thing, Algernon? You think so? I work on the KH-Wiki and sometimes talking and debating isn't really a good thing. No one can really decide on one thing.

But despite it all, I found these talks almost amusing, minus the part I feel insulted most of them. But it's cool, I just reminded myself people don't care about fanfics and I feel better.

Staying in with the canon is a great thing, but thinking outside the box doesn't hurt once and a while.

I finally found rookery siblings--Gargoyles fans like me to talk to you. I'm glad...
NinjaSheik
posted @ Thu, May 20, 2010 7:28:55 pm EDT from 24.252.116.66

NinjaSheik> Don't beat yourself up over it, after how slow this comment room's been for a while anything that gets folks talking and debating can only be a good thing.
Algernon
posted @ Thu, May 20, 2010 7:26:13 pm EDT from 86.40.157.155

You sound like my mom. It seems like to me, but if you're sure...But man, I never expect it'll carry out for this long. You guys never had a talk like this before I pop the questions?
NinjaSheik
posted @ Thu, May 20, 2010 6:23:17 pm EDT from 24.252.116.66

NinjaSheik> Who is arguing? I don't see any arguing, fighting, or flames. We're just having a discussion.

Contrary to what the Buddy Bears and the The Get-Along Gang will tell you, it's okay to disagree with people...

... and you're not young if you get that one ;)
Greg Bishansky
Demona likes Buffalo Wings.
posted @ Thu, May 20, 2010 6:20:06 pm EDT from 68.199.5.105

Please, don't mind critize. It's just that I see people aruging over what I said to other people during my other conversations, when the whole thing should be closed down since it doesn't matter anymore!
NinjaSheik
posted @ Thu, May 20, 2010 6:05:23 pm EDT from 24.252.116.66

Sorry for double posting:
NinjaSheik> No talk about Katana, arranged marriages, or ANYTHING I wrote down in here, because it is my business since I'm the one who brought it up. I don't even know why you guys started to fight over this.

A key rule about any site is to refrain from posting unless you're prepared to receive criticism. If you don't want your ideas criticised or to be the subject of arguement, don't post.
Antiyonder - [antiyonder at yahoo dot com]
Algernon's comment about Norman Osborn: One of the neat things about Dark Reign is that it gives Osborn the chance to expand his horizons beyond tormenting a twenty nine year old who still lives with his mom.
posted @ Thu, May 20, 2010 5:17:28 pm EDT from 71.115.241.194

NinjaSheik> While I'm not even close to being an average fanfic writer, some advice I'd like to offer. Whether you keep the characters close to canon, or give them a different personality, try not to fallback on sterotypical quirks.

For instance, Greg's depiction of John Castaway is that while he has a great deal of hatred towards the Gargoyles, he makes it a point not to display violent behavior to the public (such as telling the Quarryman not to bring their hammers to the Halloween Bash), whereas The Goliath Chronicles made him a simple hammer crazy lunatic who condone driving tanks through the city just to kill the gargoyles (and attacked a train full of civilians just to attract the clan).
Antiyonder - [antiyonder at yahoo dot com]
Algernon's comment about Norman Osborn: One of the neat things about Dark Reign is that it gives Osborn the chance to expand his horizons beyond tormenting a twenty nine year old who still lives with his mom.
posted @ Thu, May 20, 2010 5:14:35 pm EDT from 71.115.241.194

I apperciate the advices, I really do, but it is MY story. You guys can chose to read it or not, that's none of my concern. I'm pretty sure none of you even care about Gargoyles fanfics, whether it's reading or writing one.

The Gargoyles section on FF. Net is slow. Very, very, very, very, very, very slow! I want to speed the process up and be the first one to write a long Brooklyn and Katana story. Not a one-shot or a fic that the author gave up.

Besides, I promise a friend when it comes out, she'll be the first one I tell. Can't turn back now, can I? So, can EVERYONE stop agruing on what I asked like a week ago? No more talking about what came out of my mouth, got it?

No talk about Katana, arranged marriages, or ANYTHING I wrote down in here, because it is my business since I'm the one who brought it up. I don't even know why you guys started to fight over this.
NinjaSheik
posted @ Thu, May 20, 2010 4:58:32 pm EDT from 24.252.116.66

Gargoyles & Arranged Matings: I'm sorry, like Demonskrye said, I just cannot see how that would work at all. I just can't see the logic behind it. And this is not me assuming all gargoyles have the same culture, this just goes against everything we do know about them.

NinjaSheik> I'm not trying to be mean to you, or to hurt your feelings. I am trying to be helpful, and what I am about to say may be a little tough, but it's meant to be helpful.

Just FYI, I think the two main characters from "Avatar" are a terrible comparison to make with Brooklyn and Katana. And that doesn't delve into the mountain of issues I had with the movie, itself. It seems to me like you want to emulate the love story in "Avatar" and just change the names to Brooklyn and Katana. I'm probably wrong, but that's the impression I'm getting.

I would also advise you to stay away from "Avatar" for another reason. It's the most popular movie in the world right now, and people who read your story who are observant might spot that and think "this fic author is ripping off Avatar," and that might pull them out of the story entirely.

For example, a few years ago, a Direct-to-DVD animated movie based on Iron Man called "The Invincible Iron Man" came out. A few months after "Batman Begins" came out. Both of those movies had the exact same ending, and I am not exaggerating when I say this. Now, I had issues with "Invincible Iron Man" that I may have been able to overlook, but when I saw the ending, it pulled me out of the movie so completely that the entire house of cards just came tumbling down.

Another example, a fanfic example that I can think of involved a fic a friend of mine read and told me about. It was a "Gargoyles" fanfic, and it featured an "original" villain with a scarred up face who wore face paint and called himself an "agent of chaos" and would tell contradicting stories about how he got his scars. Gee... doesn't that sound awfully familiar?

Now, I tend to agree with the phrase "talent borrows, genius steals" but it's not a good idea to steal from something that has such a huge spotlight shining on it right now. Steal from something a little more obscure.

As I said before, it's your story, and you can do whatever you want. But if you want to try to keep it as close to the spirit of canon-in-training as possible, and you said you do, then I think you need to do research. Read or watch a production of "Much Ado About Nothing" and pay attention to Beatrice and Benedick. Watch a few episodes of "Cheers" and pay attention to Sam and Diane. Those are the couples Greg compared his vision of Brooklyn and Katana too. See what made them tick, how they related to each other, and take some inspiration from that.

When I wrote "Rhapsody," I wanted to keep it as close to canon-in-training as possible, and I did copious amounts of research to do just that. Obviously, I made a ton of it up, but I like to think I didn't contradict anything. Was it perfect? No. If I were writing it today, it'd be different in a few places. But I still put forth that effort.

So, yeah, like I said. Read or watch a production of "Much Ado About Nothing." Watch some early episodes of "Cheers," they're available on YouTube.

If you need to make things up which are so atypical and contradict what we already know about gargoyles as a species (like arranged matings), then your story isn't working. However, it's only not working if you want to be loyal to canon and canon-in-training.

If you just want to spin-off completely and do your own thing entirely, then do it. Lots of fanfic authors do. In fact, most do. It's your story.

So, it sounds to me like you have a choice to make. Again, it's your story. But, if you want to keep it close to canon-in-training, you gotta do the research. And if not, then there is no shame in completely divorcing it from canon-in-training and doing your own thing.
Greg Bishansky
Demona likes Buffalo Wings.
posted @ Thu, May 20, 2010 4:26:59 pm EDT from 68.199.5.105

Gargoyle Customs> I agree that it doesn't make sense to assume that we know about every gargoyle custom that ever existed based on the relatively small number of clans we have seen so far. But I do think that if you're going to write a story that introduces a new aspect of gargoyle culture, particularly one that seems to contradict what we know about gargoyle culture, you have to introduce it in a way that makes it feel natural and sensible. Right now, I don't see arranged marriage - or mating - as something gargoyles would have done because the chief reasons that humans do it aren't really relevant to gargoyles. In human culture, arranged marriages grew from the desire to join two families for the political, financial, or other gain of one or both families. Gargoyles don't really have these concerns. I don't think it's beyond possibility to create situation where gargoyles might consider an arranged pairing a good idea. But if it requires tossing out big chunks of what we already know about gargoyle culture, such as communal parenting, I don't see it working. The situation you don't want to be in as a writer sis one where you're telling your readers "These gargoyles practice arranged marriage because that's the only way my story can work." I don't think fanfic writers should feel constrained by the little we know from the canon to the point where they can't invent anything. But a new concept should be well thought out. There should be reasons why these gargoyles have a different system for choosing mates, reasons that can at least partly be explained to an outsider like Brooklyn and the reader following his story.
Demonskrye - [<---AdViews Archive at The Ink and Pixel Club]
posted @ Thu, May 20, 2010 3:33:44 pm EDT from 146.115.115.75

Greg Bishansky & Andres Escobar - Well, to be fair, the Wiki did speculate that Amp was gay for a few months around the time #8 was released before that paragraph was rightfully (IMHO) removed. Andres, you're right that there's no evidence that Amp is gay. Since Greg has already revealed (canon-in-training) that Lexington is gay and since Amp and Lex are becoming friends and already share a personal connection (Staghart's nickname), and since the other two-thirds of the trio already have mates, some fans speculate that Amp will be Lexington's mate. But if you have an opinion to the contrary, it's equally valid because the evidence so far is pretty sparse.
Landon Thomas - [<- Gargoyles News Twitter Feed]
posted @ Thu, May 20, 2010 3:26:55 pm EDT from 128.101.32.234

ANDRES> <<1. If you look up the Wiki Gargoyle page there is a statement related to the SLG comic continum when it discusses the London clan that one of the characters Amp I believe is personified as gay and that this leads Lennox to explore his own homosexual inclinations I have read Clan building and can not say that this is ever reallyt even implied please someones thoughts>>

As an administrator on the GargWiki, I can assure that this is not up there. It's not canon, or even canon-in-training. It's just speculation at this point, and GargWiki is not for speculation.

And who is Lennox? Macbeth? Did Macbeth and Amp even have any dialogue or appear in a panel together?

<<2. This is really a 3 part question but they all relate atleast in my mind. Rumors that Disney is making Gargoyles a live action movie without Greg's involvement anybody know if this is true or if a project like this is going into production? We know a live action film without Gregs imput at that for Gargoyle fans is just plain wrong but I often wonder how great it would be if Gargoyles was made an animated film using cg to enhance the animation not to different from Neon Genesis rebuild Evangelion 1.0. Does anybody think this is a good idea? or if Greg would be interested? >>

No movie is in production. And, I'd rather see new adventures and new stories about the Gargoyles in development, not rehashing old ones.

<<3. I was thinking how ahead of the game Gargoyles was with the mixing magic and technology or magic as technology. Popular concept with shows like Fullmetal Alchemist even to some extent the book series Harry Potter. Cany anyone see the parallels there?>>

I don't know what you're asking here. This sort of thing has been going on in fantasy for ages. The only parallels are superficial, at best.

<<5. It is interesting How in Clan building Coldstone joins the NY clan and how Brooklyn returns from the Phoenix gate and the development that is hinted at. Does anyone know how these two events played out in Greg's masterplan where was the story arch going in the Gargoyles universe with these two developments?>>

I think it played out as you read it in the comics.
Greg Bishansky
Demona likes Buffalo Wings.
posted @ Thu, May 20, 2010 2:18:07 pm EDT from 68.199.5.105

5 questions for u all since I cant ask Greg so I wonder if someone can guess at what the best answers would be

1. If you look up the Wiki Gargoyle page there is a statement related to the SLG comic continum when it discusses the London clan that one of the characters Amp I believe is personified as gay and that this leads Lennox to explore his own homosexual inclinations I have read Clan building and can not say that this is ever reallyt even implied please someones thoughts

2. This is really a 3 part question but they all relate atleast in my mind. Rumors that Disney is making Gargoyles a live action movie without Greg's involvement anybody know if this is true or if a project like this is going into production? We know a live action film without Gregs imput at that for Gargoyle fans is just plain wrong but I often wonder how great it would be if Gargoyles was made an animated film using cg to enhance the animation not to different from Neon Genesis rebuild Evangelion 1.0. Does anybody think this is a good idea? or if Greg would be interested?
3. I was thinking how ahead of the game Gargoyles was with the mixing magic and technology or magic as technology. Popular concept with shows like Fullmetal Alchemist even to some extent the book series Harry Potter. Cany anyone see the parallels there?
4.I mentioned Neon Genesis before Gargoyles and Neon Genesis in my opinion are the best quality animation of that era and most influential. They simply chenged and challenged the genre of animation. It has been commented that Neon Genesis changed the emphasis in anime for plot development to character development to over simplify it. Is interesting that Gargoylse to me took the oposite approach it used plot development to move forward the character development. Any one concur, disagree, or add to this assesment?
5. It is interesting How in Clan building Coldstone joins the NY clan and how Brooklyn returns from the Phoenix gate and the development that is hinted at. Does anyone know how these two events played out in Greg's masterplan where was the story arch going in the Gargoyles universe with these two developments?
Andres Escobar - [dresedescorly at live dot com]
Dres
posted @ Thu, May 20, 2010 1:39:44 pm EDT from 79.214.84.212

Brainiac> Oooo Keith David, haha . . . thanks for the link, I haven't been paying real attention to the new shows being scheduled (almost forgot, despite it being May Sweeps . . .) A shame the show's billed as a mid-season replacement (not the best vote of confidence >_>) but at the least we'll get some more Keith David (and that's pretty awesome in and of itself) :D

Marina> I was already going to give Young Justice a try when I heard Greg was doing it, but now I'm actually starting to look forward to it d:

Cubone> Nice seeing you here again :)

BOOM/Electric Tiki/Mecha-Nation/etc -- All I know is, whether or not we get more comics one day, I know I'll be needing a new job (had to give up the current one now that I graduated) if I have want to have any realistic hope of getting anything Gargoyles/Greg-related ;)
Phoenician
"The suspense is terrible, I hope it lasts" -- Willy Wonka
posted @ Thu, May 20, 2010 1:18:05 pm EDT from 70.190.58.163

Marina Sirtis says she'll be playing Queen Bee on Young Justice! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCID-kN7H84#t=2m03s

Quite a scoop since she says she's only been recording for a couple weeks.
Landon Thomas - [<- Gargoyles News Twitter Feed]
posted @ Thu, May 20, 2010 12:53:28 pm EDT from 128.101.32.234

<Jurgan> Thanks, Jurgan, for agreeing with me.
NinjaSheik
posted @ Thu, May 20, 2010 12:19:48 pm EDT from 204.69.119.56

So who's seen the trailer for NBC's The Cape? I trust anyone here who has seen it recognized someone in particular...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYfJSZZpia0
Brainiac - [OSUBrainiac at gmail dot com]
There is balance in all things. Live in symmetry with the world around you. If you must blow things up and steal from those around you, THAT'S WHAT RPGS ARE FOR!
posted @ Thu, May 20, 2010 12:13:42 pm EDT from 192.44.136.113

Electric Tiki statue> Made a brief stop at one of my local comic shops and was told the new Previews wasn't out until next week. So I don't know what's going on. You're probably safe preordering the statue from that site, but if you want to be extra cautious, you can wait and order it from Sideshow or Entertainment Earth or your trusted local comic shop, if you have one.
Demonskrye - [<---AdViews Archive at The Ink and Pixel Club]
posted @ Thu, May 20, 2010 8:44:52 am EDT from 146.115.115.75

Apologies for the double-post, but I just sent my message to BOOM!. It was,.... long-winded to say the least. Still, couldn't hurt.
lvl_27 Cubone
Does the sky need a name? Does the river?
posted @ Thu, May 20, 2010 6:44:09 am EDT from 70.183.49.170

Long time, no post. I should frequent this place more often. I saw Demonskrye post some stuff about BOOM! on twitter, and now I'm seriously interested. I'll do anything and everything I can to help the series get back on its feet if I can contribute at ALL. Already tweeted at them (once for myself, and once to all my followers to do the same). I personally think it's a great idea if it helps the series out.

I really love SLG for supporting Greg so much, I finally picked up Season 2 part 1 and both volumes of Clan Building, and I even know one of the color artists! (Dustin Evans, lives about 30 miles away from me actually!). Still, if things don't end up working out for SLG, heaven forbid, I think trying to coerce BOOM! into doing it would be a great fallback. From what I understand, they're on great terms with Disney, (The Incredibles, Monsters, Inc., Toy Story, and WALL-E comics) and if we can get them interested, there should be no reason outside of resources that would be problematic. Of course, I wouldn't want them unless Greg was seriously involved. Seeing the series continue would be spectacular, as well as the spinoffs. 2198, Timedancer, Pendragon, and especially Dark Ages would be incredible. (What can I say? I'm a sucker for Hudson, and medieval stuff is awesome).

I'll be writing them an email very very soon, hopefully without going too fanboy on them and whipping up a virtuoso of a letter. It just amazes me that Greg's still answering questions about a series he never finished 13 years after it's been off the air. That man has some of the purest determination I've ever seen, and it's utterly inspiring. He really deserves to get this stuff out there.
lvl_27 Cubone
Does the sky need a name? Does the river?
posted @ Thu, May 20, 2010 6:10:47 am EDT from 70.183.49.170

Greg B.:<Since when?>

Most of us have heard the classic definition of meekness – power under
control. The Greeks understood meekness to mean mild, gentle, or soft, like a
soothing medicine, a gentle breeze, or a trained horse. Each of these
things has great and sometimes destructive power when not under
control. A medicine can kill a man, a wind can level a house, and a horse
can throw a rider to his death.
With this in mind, what are some other examples of meekness?

Have you ever lost control of your temper? Have you ever went shopping
and became a victim of impulse buying? Have you ever gone grocery
shopping and brought back more than you went for? Have you ever got
excited about an opportunity and jumped into it without researching it?
Pick one of the above questions and consider the answer. Did you have
regrets? Why?

Now think again about those questions and consider what would happen
if you did not give in to the urges. I would think in all the cases you would
have been happier. Now carry these questions through life. A person that
continues to lose his anger and blow up at friends and family will in the
end have no friends or family. The person who gives in to impulsive
buying may have lots of stuff, but will also have lots of debt, or is a slave
to materialism. Maybe it is the person who jumped into too many
opportunities and is now overstretched
and burned out.
These people are not happy and what they "inherit," I would gladly stay
away from.

It does make sense. Those who are meek will not jump ahead or out of
turn, they will not practice sporadic control, but they will quietly and
gently walk through life, careful to measure all things and in the end
experience happiness and a huge inheritance.
Meekness is strength.
Vinnie - [tpeano29 at hotmail dot com]
posted @ Thu, May 20, 2010 6:06:08 am EDT from 69.54.208.52

Are we sure gargoyles didn't have arranged marriages? The ones we've seen didn't, but we're talking about a Japanese clan hundreds of years ago. Japan did practice arranged marriages back then (of course, so did Scotland). The point is that we don't know for sure, and it's kind of a pet peeve of mine that people assume gargoyle culture was the same for every clan in the world throughout history. Things change. So, if you want to make up your own customs for a specific era, go ahead. They may eventually be contradicted by canon, but that's what happens when you write about an ongoing series (it's called being Jossed- http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Jossed).
Jurgan - [jurgan6 at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Thu, May 20, 2010 6:04:22 am EDT from 71.204.227.228

Like I said before, you'll see when the fic comes out. If you read it, of course.
NinjaSheik
posted @ Wed, May 19, 2010 10:30:50 pm EDT from 24.252.116.66

NinjaSheik> I was mainly suggesting it because you seemed to be having a story issue regarding why Katana would be with this other gargoyle. That and I like the idea that gargoyles don't always choose the partners they end up with on the first try, or even make good choices for mates. Greg has suggested that Iago probably did have a mate and who knows how much of a mess their relationship might have been.

Again, I'm just tossing out my opinions, so feel free to ignore me. But the main issue I see with your current idea is that we've already seen Othello, Desdemona, and Iago's love triangle play out in the series. Maybe I've got this wrong and you have a really unique take on the concept that will feel very different from the ColdTrio's romantic entanglements. But if not, you may be running the risk of showing fans something they've already seen.
Demonskrye - [<---AdViews Archive at The Ink and Pixel Club]
posted @ Wed, May 19, 2010 10:12:27 pm EDT from 146.115.115.75

You have a good idea, but that wasn't exactly what I had in mind. Think of the whole Brooklyn, Katana, and another male gargoyle thing like Othello, Desdeomna, and Iago.

But don't worry if you don't get it, if you plan to read my fic, you'll understand. Though, no one here really seems to care about it.
NinjaSheik
posted @ Wed, May 19, 2010 9:09:46 pm EDT from 24.252.116.66

That is the Electrick Tiki statue, and I'd go on one of the web sites Tiki says to go to on their web site. I did for the Rescue Rangers statue, and it came perfectly.
Battle Beast - [Canada]
I have started a movie challenge whereby I am wtching all 475 Best Picture nominees and winners in 365 days. I am on Day #71 and movie #88... wish me luck!
posted @ Wed, May 19, 2010 9:07:56 pm EDT from 75.159.239.62

Things like dinner out with my husband involve me being away from the computer for a while.

Anyway, I think the simplest route would be to say that Katana was particularly close to another male gargoyle - maybe the current second and therefore future leader of the clan like you wanted - just because she honestly believed that she was in love with him. Maybe she figures that it's not exactly like fireworks going off whenever she sees him, but he's a good gargoyles and she does like him and maybe she thinks love is just a more subdued thing for her. And maybe her sisters all think she's so lucky that he's showing an interest in her, so she figures she'll go for it and become his mate. And maybe part of the reason that she and Brooklyn don't get along at first is that deep down, Katana is attracted to him and that's throwing a wrench into everything she thought she knew and the life she had planned for herself.

Feel free to change it as you see fit. It's just something my wandering mind came up with.
Demonskrye - [<---AdViews Archive at The Ink and Pixel Club]
posted @ Wed, May 19, 2010 8:39:14 pm EDT from 146.115.115.75

Man, I thought someone would reply to me by now.
NinjaSheik
posted @ Wed, May 19, 2010 8:23:29 pm EDT from 24.252.116.66

Demonskrye, you have an idea for me! Dude, if you can help me out, I'll totally do anything you ask me to!

I have one idea that doesn't invovle making new Gargoyles cutsoms, but let me hear yours.
NinjaSheik
posted @ Wed, May 19, 2010 5:57:30 pm EDT from 24.252.116.66

NinjaSheik> While I wouldn't get too stressed out about canon that hasn't been published yet, it probably would be a good idea to research what Greg W has said about Brooklyn and Katana and their relationship, either on Ask Greg or GargWiki. You can't be completely true to the canon unless you want to wait until Greg W is able to publish new stories, and even then, he'll have a canon version of how Brooklyn and Katana met and fell in love. Ultimately, what makes a good fanfic work is good writing and a good understanding of the original property and its characters. I've read plenty of fanfics that completely contradict what Greg had planned for the series that are still engaging and fun to read.

If you're stuck, I did have a thought on how you could work in Katana being involved with another gargoyle before Brooklyn shows up.
Demonskrye - [<---AdViews Archive at The Ink and Pixel Club]
posted @ Wed, May 19, 2010 5:50:41 pm EDT from 146.115.115.75

Demonskrye - Thanks, I'd really appreciate that. Actually, I'm sure a loooot of people would appreciate that ^_^
Still- $200 bucks. Ouch. But I waaaaaant it. Will have to scrape the $$$ together somehow. It's Goliath after all.
Wingless
posted @ Wed, May 19, 2010 5:49:24 pm EDT from 99.245.254.123

<<Being meek is a badge of honor.>>

Since when?
Greg Bishansky
Demona likes Buffalo Wings.
posted @ Wed, May 19, 2010 5:43:29 pm EDT from 68.199.5.105

<Incisivis> Yeah, I want to write it so badly, but who knows. Maybe it'll come out before I post can write a the copy of the comics in my story.

<Greg & Vinnie> Really? Are you two really going over my one question? Guys, it's not big of a deal. I only wanted opinions for this thing.
NinjaSheik
posted @ Wed, May 19, 2010 5:06:43 pm EDT from 24.252.116.66

Hi guys.

Now that I know you psychopaths were obsessed with me several years ago, I've come to realize that you're my only real friends. I've decided it's no longer right for me to neglect you anymore, so I'll be posting here regularly a lot more often from now on.

So who can fill me in on what I've missed? Whose fault is it that you guys stopped the Gargoyles comic from being published this time?
Arlo
Gargoyles need not apply.
posted @ Wed, May 19, 2010 4:45:23 pm EDT from 71.250.202.208

Wingless> Can't confirm for certain, but I'm guessing it's legit. Even though they don't say "Electric Tiki" anywhere in the ad, the description and image are clearly of the Electric Tiki statue, so they would have to be pretty sleazy to the point of criminal to be selling you something other than the Electric Tiki Goliath. As fr the price, I poked around and that seems pretty comparable to some of Eletric Tiki's other offerings. It's the same price as their Rocketeer statue and more than most of the other Disney statues, probably reflecting the larger size.

Now I checked on Sideshow Collectables and Entertainment Earth, the two sites that Electric Tiki mentions by name as carrying their products, and they don't seem to have the statue up for preorder yet. But that doesn't necessarily mean that this preorder isn't legit. The statue may have been solicited in this months Previews, or this site could just be jumping the gun. I'm not sure when you could expect to get your statue if you preordered from them, but I'm fairly certain you would get it.

I'll try to check Previews the next time I'm at my local comic store and see if the statue is in there.
Demonskrye - [<---AdViews Archive at The Ink and Pixel Club]
posted @ Wed, May 19, 2010 4:09:17 pm EDT from 146.115.115.75

Not sure if anyone has seen this(or mentioned it) but someone asked about it in the comment room, and I'm a little suspicious - so I'm asking here.

Here's a link for an online comic place taking pre-orders for the Electric Tiki Goliath Statue. Only problem is, they don't mention anywhere in the ad "Electric Tiki"-which, leaves me wondering - that and the price tag is also quite high.

Can anyone confirm if this is official?
Wingless
posted @ Wed, May 19, 2010 3:10:23 pm EDT from 99.245.254.123

While I wouldn't go that far, yeah, meekness is not usually seen as a negative quality--"the meek shall inherit the Earth" and all that--which makes Greg's use of the word rather non-standard. However "non-standard" doesn't mean "incorrect".

...and because this conversation is getting a tad uncomfortable for my tastes...LOOK! Shiny new "Enter Macbeth" review! Possibly including stuff that hasn't been said about the episode before!

http://nymonsters.wordpress.com/2010/05/19/a-castle-is-not-a-home-enter-macbeth
Ian Perez - [doknowbutchie at gmail dot com]
posted @ Wed, May 19, 2010 2:20:34 pm EDT from 67.206.207.43

Greg B.:<VINNIE: Hmm, let's see what Merriam-Webster's dictionary turns up on the word "meek," shall we?

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/meek

Hmm... Merriam-Webster seems to think I used it correctly. Let me check my print copy of the Oxford Dictionary, I like them better...

... yup, they agree with me too.>

It's the way you used the term meek. By linking meek with pathetic you made it sound like you were insulting a version of Katana. Being meek is a badge of honor. Being pathetic is not.
Vinnie - [tpeano29 at hotmail dot com]
posted @ Wed, May 19, 2010 12:29:02 pm EDT from 69.54.208.53

In referencet to BOOM!: "Your message was sent successfully. Thanks."
Anthony Tini
posted @ Wed, May 19, 2010 9:51:01 am EDT from 159.240.11.254

Oh, and by the way, you misspelled "meek."
Greg Bishansky
Demona likes Buffalo Wings.
posted @ Wed, May 19, 2010 2:42:46 am EDT from 68.199.5.105

VINNIE: Hmm, let's see what Merriam-Webster's dictionary turns up on the word "meek," shall we?

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/meek

Hmm... Merriam-Webster seems to think I used it correctly. Let me check my print copy of the Oxford Dictionary, I like them better...

... yup, they agree with me too.

I'd start laughing, but anyone who finds himself this funny is irritating by default.
Greg Bishansky
Demona likes Buffalo Wings.
posted @ Wed, May 19, 2010 2:36:25 am EDT from 68.199.5.105

Greg Bishansky: ROFL <Run away crying? No. We may not know her that well, but I think it's safe to say that she is not meek and pathetic like that.>

ROFL OK now that I've had my laugh. I'm sorry but I've never read a funnier contradiction in life. I know people tend to confuse the word meedk with weak because they sound the same but for some reason I expected more from you. I ran across this post of yours while I was catching myself up. Now I can go back to laughing. ROFL
Vinnie - [tpeano29 at hotmail dot com]
posted @ Wed, May 19, 2010 2:17:30 am EDT from 69.54.208.54

Califur, a furry convention is close by! June 4th-6th it will be hosting Kythera as a main artist as well as a gargoyle panel. Feel free to attend and stop in, we will be hosting gargoyle fans and furry fans alike. So join in on the convention, and help us celebrate all that is gargoyle!

www.califur.com
OggyWolf - [califurconbook at gamil dot com]
posted @ Wed, May 19, 2010 12:49:39 am EDT from 71.129.111.195

I've added my voice to Boom Studios

NinjaSheik> I understand that you want to stick close to canon, but since the comics are on hiatus for the moment, you are going to have to decide if you want to write the fic badly enough that you will use the small canon details to build something, or if you want to wait for an indefinite time period for new material so that your story solidly matches with canon.
Incisivis - [incisivis at hotmail dot com]
"No live organism can continue for long to exist sanely under conditions of absolute reality; even dragonflies and katydids are supposed, by some, to dream."--Shirley Jackson
posted @ Tue, May 18, 2010 11:42:56 pm EDT from 96.52.134.1

Cool! Nice going, Landon!
NinjaSheik
posted @ Tue, May 18, 2010 10:42:17 pm EDT from 24.252.116.66

I'm trying to start a Twitter trend--I figure it would be the most effective metod for that corner of the web. If you have an account, please tweet how much you'd love to see a Gargoyles comic series from BOOM! and be sure to put @boomstudios at the end so they see it. Also follow: http://twitter.com/boomstudios

I'll write them a message on that blog link later tonight.
Landon Thomas - [<- Gargoyles News Twitter Feed]
posted @ Tue, May 18, 2010 10:18:20 pm EDT from 216.250.163.157

Ian> As far as I under stand it, the licensing deal was for two years with the plan for the comic to be bi-monthly. The plan was always for there to be twelve issues of the main comic. If the comic had not have had the delays and Disney had still raised the license fee the way they did, there would still have been only the planned twelve issues. The only way we were ever going to see issue #13 was if the license had been renewed, which SLG could not do with the higher fee.
mage_cat - [mage_cat14 at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Tue, May 18, 2010 9:39:20 pm EDT from 68.222.31.231

Question to those more knowledgeable than I: had the entirety of "Clan-Building" and "Redemption" been published as initially scheduled, would we have seen an issue thirteen and beyond immediately--as in, two months after issue #12?
Ian Perez - [doknowbutchie at gmail dot com]
posted @ Tue, May 18, 2010 8:33:26 pm EDT from 208.54.187.190

<"Whether BOOM! or SLG get the rights to make more "Gargoyles" stories, if they treat the property with respect, Greg Weisman stays the writer, and the comics sell well, I'll be happy with the deal.".

I agree with you guys! I just it to continue!
NinjaSheik
posted @ Tue, May 18, 2010 7:59:48 pm EDT from 24.252.116.66

Landon> I think the way things went with MechaNation is a good indicator of Vado's level of professionalism. The property was originally developed for SLG and I'm sure Vado would have loved to publish it if he could have, but he realized that he didn't have the resources to make that happen and gave his blessing for the project to move to another publisher. Even if SLG is still pursuing Gargoyles, I don't think there's any harm in asking BOOM! to take a look at the property. The worst that can happen is that Disney would say "no, we're still talking with SLG." And I don't think that makes us look bad as we have no way of knowing if the negotiations are still going on or ended. As with MechaNation, I'm sure Vado would love to publish more Gargoyles comics or graphic novels if he could. But if that's not the case, I hope he would understand that the fans trying to get BOOM! interested only reflects our desire to see more comics get published and not any lack of respect or appreciation for what SLG has done already.
Demonskrye - [<---AdViews Archive at The Ink and Pixel Club]
posted @ Tue, May 18, 2010 7:46:16 pm EDT from 146.115.115.75

Todd> "Whether BOOM! or SLG get the rights to make more "Gargoyles" stories, if they treat the property with respect, Greg Weisman stays the writer, and the comics sell well, I'll be happy with the deal."

I agree 100%.
Ricky
Clan-Building looks gorgeous on my iPad.
posted @ Tue, May 18, 2010 7:39:52 pm EDT from 151.205.107.187

I just wrote to Boom. It doesn't matter to me where Gargoyles ends up as long as it does start up again, although I do tend to feel indebted to SLG and Vado. But the reality of it is that wherever Gargoyles goes, we'll follow and if Boom might show an interest in it in light of this whole Darwing Duck thing, then we might as well give it a shot. Whatever it takes to keep the property alive and going.
Ricky
Clan-Building looks gorgeous on my iPad.
posted @ Tue, May 18, 2010 7:37:21 pm EDT from 151.205.107.187

I enjoyed BOOM!'s "Muppet Robin Hood" (my favorite part was Sam the Bald Eagle as the Sheriff of Nottingham, when Kermit/Robin Hood has been captured and sentenced to hang in Nottingham's town square, telling the protesting crowd "We are going to watch this frog die a painful, horrible death like civilized human beings!"), and am looking forward to the trade paperback version of "Muppet King Arthur" when it comes out (I haven't been able to get out to a comics store to buy the individual issues, but I saw previews of them at Comics Continuum).

Whether BOOM! or SLG get the rights to make more "Gargoyles" stories, if they treat the property with respect, Greg Weisman stays the writer, and the comics sell well, I'll be happy with the deal.
Todd Jensen
posted @ Tue, May 18, 2010 7:28:18 pm EDT from 4.244.210.63

Greg's right. Besides, isn't Vado the one who said he wanted to do a graphic novels. I wonder how's that going for him...

Anyway, someone will license Gargoyles again sooner or later, and I want it to be sooner!
NinjaSheik
posted @ Tue, May 18, 2010 7:25:54 pm EDT from 24.252.116.66

LANDON> I don't think we need to worry about this. Bad mood lately or not, Dan Vado is a professional, and he'd understand. He's been in the business for nearly three decades, he knows how it goes.

No one here is trashing him or SLG, nor should they. But, if we can get Boom's interest and they decide to give us a miniseries, or even an ongoing, it'd be the best thing for the property.
Greg Bishansky
Demona likes Buffalo Wings.
posted @ Tue, May 18, 2010 7:20:13 pm EDT from 68.199.5.105

Just throwing this out there... but are we sure the ship has totally sailed on an SLG/Disney deal? I know SLG doesn't control or have any say over Gargoyles, but I can't help but feel this is a bit bridge-burny for fans since SLG was brave enough to take the initial risk. I'm just worried Vado might take it the wrong way since he seems to be in a bad mood lately: http://twitter.com/SLGPublishing/status/13938401074
Landon Thomas - [<- Gargoyles News Twitter Feed]
posted @ Tue, May 18, 2010 7:11:41 pm EDT from 128.101.32.234

NinjaSheik> Boom doesn't really have a "house style;" not that many comic companies do these days. Their Muppet Show comic looks quite different from their Incredibles comic, which loks different from their upcoming Darkwing Duck comic. You can't really tell that much about the overall look or quality of a publisher's entire line of comics just by looking at one page of one issue of one comic.

As Greg B. point out, Boom has a very good track record with licensed comics, particularly the Muppet and Pixar ones, which are licensed through Disney. So they already have a relationship with Disney and they are releasing a couple of titles based on other Disney Afternoon properties. So there is definitely potential for them to do a Gargoyles comic and do it well.

Previously, I have been very skeptical about the chances of another publisher picking up the Gargoyles comic. I agreed with Greg W's assessment that Slave Labor Graphics was the only company that had shown an interest in the license. The comic did sell pretty well for SLG, but the sales figures were far from huge and the profits were not well enough to cover their expenses, including the licensing fees. Disney's deals with other comics publishers seemed like very specific licenses covering only certain properties. I didn't get the sense that Disney was excited enough about the Gargoyles comic to push Marvel into publishing it after Disney bought Marvel, or that Marvel would want to snap up the license for themselves. If Boom hadn't started moving into DIsney Afternoon properties, I would still think that SLG was our best hope for getting more Gargoyles stories.

Now this doesn't mean I think it's a sure thing. Again, sales of the SLG run were good, but not great for any number of reasons, and Boom may see that as reason enough to pass. The fact that they are publishing some Disney Afternoon comics does not by any means indicate that they are interested in every Disney Afternoon property. I am not really expecting comics based on Bonkers, The Mighty Ducks, or The Schnookums and Meat Funny Cartoon Show. But with negotiations between SLG and Disney apparently stalled and Boom apparently doing quite well with their curent library of licensed comics, the possibility that they might pick up Gargoyles is at least better than it was before. In any case, it can't hurt to write them.
Demonskrye - [<---AdViews Archive at The Ink and Pixel Club]
posted @ Tue, May 18, 2010 7:05:33 pm EDT from 146.115.115.75

Incisivis, I want to stay in canon as much as I can, but how am I suppose to do that? I don't know what Brooklyn and Katana will fight about! That's why I need the comics! Luckily, my B&K fic is my next-next fanfic!

Oh, Incisivis, why don't you try contacting BOOM! as well? Gargoyles can need all the help it can it.
NinjaSheik
posted @ Tue, May 18, 2010 6:58:02 pm EDT from 24.252.116.66

Greg> Thanks for the link to Boom! I will contact them tomorrow.

Survivor> It's a great show (I think) because you not only have to play a pysical game, but mental game as well. It's tough to last on an Island or whereever they send the Castaways (Pun intended) for 39 days with little food and no contact with family.

I love the show and I have since episode 3; I can't say why, maybe I like the interesting "average" joes they have or the constant bickering and backstabbing... nevertheless, some like the show, and some don't.

it's the show that really kicked off the "reality" craze. (the first winner, Richard Hatch, decided NOT to caim his $1,000,000 (the prize for winning) on his taxes, and was incarcerated for a year or so. Stillo on probation, now.
Battle Beast - [Canada]
I have started a movie challenge whereby I am wtching all 475 Best Picture nominees and winners in 365 days. I am on Day #70 and movie #86... wish me luck!
posted @ Tue, May 18, 2010 6:36:56 pm EDT from 75.159.239.62

NinjaSheik> Well...Katana may look sweet, but it's been established that she and Brooklyn have a rough start to their relationship, and you've seen the models that Greg used. If you want to follow canon, you probably should have them fight, at least at first.

But since it's fan fiction, you can create your own interpretation of their relationship. Base it on Avatar if you want, though if you are still worried about canonicity, remember that gargoyles don't have arranged marriages as it was suggested that Neytiri had in Avatar. If there is a potential romantic rival to Brooklyn, it would have to be one that Katana chose herself.

But again, if you don't like that, you can make up your own gargoyle customs.
Incisivis - [incisivis at hotmail dot com]
"No live organism can continue for long to exist sanely under conditions of absolute reality; even dragonflies and katydids are supposed, by some, to dream."--Shirley Jackson
posted @ Tue, May 18, 2010 6:36:35 pm EDT from 96.52.134.1

Yeah, sorry. I got confused for a moment!

Hey, everybody! Greg have a great idea! I just e-mial BOOM! and explained them about Gargoyles! If we send them enough e-mails, maybe they will license Gargoyles and Greg Weisman will continue to the series!

C'mon, guys, don't you guys want to have the issue out as soon as possible, inculding Brooklyn's TimeDancer, Dark Ages, and Pendragon?

I personally want to see Brooklyn's TimeDancer and I'm sure you guys want to see it!

I pitch in, why not you guys, too?
NinjaSheik
posted @ Tue, May 18, 2010 6:31:25 pm EDT from 24.252.116.66

NinjaSheik> You do realize that a "Darkwing Duck" comic would look different than a hypothetical "Gargoyles" comic, right?

It all depends on the artist they hire. But they've got a good track record with licensed titles. Go down to your local comic book store and check out some of their stuff.
Greg Bishansky
Demona likes Buffalo Wings.
posted @ Tue, May 18, 2010 6:28:54 pm EDT from 68.199.5.105

That's a good idea, Greg. But are they really that good? Can I see a sample page of a one of their comics and see their style?
NinjaSheik
posted @ Tue, May 18, 2010 6:22:15 pm EDT from 24.252.116.66

Boom is a great comic book company, and I think "Gargoyles" would do quite well there. I just wrote to them. Mentioned "Gargoyles," the fanbase, Greg, and how impressed I am with their company and how, as a fan, I think they'd be a great home for the series I love. etc.

I think we should all write to them, and spread the word to other fans... drum up the interest. Because, I personally think Boom is one of our better options right now.

Here's their contact info:

http://blog.boom-studios.net/contact/

Let's get their attention!
Greg Bishansky
Demona likes Buffalo Wings.
posted @ Tue, May 18, 2010 6:20:31 pm EDT from 68.199.5.105

BOOM! is turning Darkwing Duck into an ongoing comic series: http://blog.newsarama.com/2010/05/18/darkwing-duck-returns-full-time/ #1 hasn't even come out yet and the writer says fan response prompted their decision. Good news for Disney Afternoon nostalgia.
Landon Thomas - [<- Gargoyles News Twitter Feed]
posted @ Tue, May 18, 2010 5:15:41 pm EDT from 128.101.32.234

Incisivis, I said it will be simliar to Jake and Neytiri's relationship, but more sweeter. I will make Katana inteded to be mated to another male gargoyle who will later take up the role of leader, but then Brooklyn came and all of you should probably see I'm going with this.

I hope Katana and Brooklyn will get into a verbal sparring in the comics, but I don't see Brooklyn fighting with her. Katan looks way to cute and sweet.
NinjaSheik
posted @ Tue, May 18, 2010 5:11:55 pm EDT from 24.252.116.66

Hai guys.

@ Greg

I read those links and my they are quite interesting. I would not want Elisa to be a Gargoyle forever, just would like her to be one again. And yes I've been thinking of plots for this :P
Kiyona
posted @ Tue, May 18, 2010 12:38:02 pm EDT from 81.159.193.132

Greg, by "Survivor", we mean the reality TV series where a bunch of people are left on an island (or some other untamed piece of tropical wilderness) and compete on several challenges for a chance at a million bucks. Every episode, the castaways decide who they wish to vote from the game; when two or three contestants remain, a "jury" created from the last few eliminated players casts individual votes on which of the remaining contestants they want to win. All in all, think of it as Congress, but way more efficient—a lot of time is spent vying for votes and forming alliances.

Russell has been a contestant in the last two games, and while he's proven that he understands how the game is played—he's controlled the tempo of both games unopposed, and mostly calls the shots on who gets eliminated and when, allowing him to reach the final three on both occasions—like Cliff in that Jeopardy clip, he has no idea how the game is won. For some reason, he seems incapable of grasping the idea that aggravating, betraying, and pissing of the people that will eventually decide who wins is not a viable strategy for him; he just seems to expect the jury to be so impressed by his ability to play the Magnificent Bastard that they'll vote for him out of respect for his game. While the tactic can work, if the choice is between voting for an asshole or a bigger asshole, it hasn't worked for him, because that's not the kind of people he chooses to take with him to the final three; in the end, he manages to get one or two votes, if any, and loses handily because the people he takes with him to the final game are all less abrasive than him (no hard task). To bring the comparison with Cliff to a close, he actually expressed at the end of the last season that the reason he didn't win was because of some inherent flaw in the game.

â€¦and is officially the most I've said about a show I don't regularly watch aside from the finales.

@ Algernon: I half agree with you: although I don't think he remains a viable antagonist for either the clan or Elisa (if indeed he ever was), I think that there are still stories one could use him for, if one is so inclined. Depending on how its written, I could see him as, say, a source of information on whichever crime group manages to replace him. Plus, we could always have a flashback to his first encounter with Elisa, which is something I'd really like to see, since we know very little of Elisa's pre-"Awakening" life.
Ian Perez - [doknowbutchie at gmail dot com]
posted @ Tue, May 18, 2010 5:12:12 am EDT from 208.54.187.190

Well, it's up to Greg what he wants to do. He can't answer any more questions right now, so you'll just have to use your imagination.

Personally, though, I'd hope that Brooklyn/Katana wasn't like Jake and Neytiri's relationship in Avatar. The latter just seemed like a male fantasy of winning over a hot, hostile woman without much personality, partly by submitting to her anger but winning her over in the end.

I'd hope for Brooklyn and Katana to meet each other well in any kind of verbal sparring matches they get into, and for Katana herself not to represent some perfect fantasy of a warrior woman, but instead to be a fully-developed character.
Incisivis - [incisivis at hotmail dot com]
"No live organism can continue for long to exist sanely under conditions of absolute reality; even dragonflies and katydids are supposed, by some, to dream."--Shirley Jackson
posted @ Mon, May 17, 2010 11:14:59 pm EDT from 96.52.134.1

Thanks for advice, but I don't know if Greg will ever bring out his spin-off TimeDancer. It's almost been a year since Bad Guys were out. Oh, and I looked up that "Much Ado About Nothing". I read the summary and I got the general idea of the characters Beatrice and Benedick.

Both are stubborn and won't admit their feelings for each other. I think I can work with that, but I still go with the whole Avatar infulence thing.
NinjaSheik
posted @ Mon, May 17, 2010 11:07:30 pm EDT from 24.252.116.66

All right, coming out of lurker mode. Easy now....

Ninja>If you're looking for anything more on what Brooklyn and Katana's canonical relationship will be like, you're not going to find it. Greg Weisman has said all he needs to right now, and will be extra careful about revealing new information in the future, as long as he still has a chance of publishing new Gargoyles material. After all, what's the fun in giving it all away up front?

You do have enough here to make your own Brooklyn/Katana fanfic if you want. Base their relationship on what you think fits the model Greg described, come up with your own reason for Brooklyn to be in feudal Japan, and go from there.

And somebody will likely soon tell you what "Much Ado About Nothing" is, so I'll leave that part open.

Goliath and Elisa> I've always loved that Greg wanted to keep them separate species, and have them adopt rather than produce a hybrid child. I completely agree with his reasoning, and at the very least, it's a welcome change from similar stories of this kind.
Incisivis - [incisivis at hotmail dot com]
"No live organism can continue for long to exist sanely under conditions of absolute reality; even dragonflies and katydids are supposed, by some, to dream."--Shirley Jackson
posted @ Mon, May 17, 2010 10:58:20 pm EDT from 96.52.134.1

Much Ado About Nothing? What is that?
NinjaSheik
posted @ Mon, May 17, 2010 10:50:05 pm EDT from 24.252.116.66

NinjaSheik> My suggestion for you is to go on YouTube and track down some early episodes of "Cheers" featuring Sam and Diane (the first five seasons) if you're looking for what was an inspiration on canon-in-training Brooklyn/Katana. Or read or watch William Shakespeare's "Much Ado About Nothing."

Greg has cited both as inspirations for his vision of Brooklyn and Katana's relationship. Both are very much unlike the protagonists of "Avatar," I think.
Greg Bishansky
Demona likes Buffalo Wings.
posted @ Mon, May 17, 2010 10:34:38 pm EDT from 68.199.5.105

Oh, I forgot to add in the last message that Netriyi and Jake's relationship in Avatar kinda inspired me to Brooklyn and Katan's relationship a similiar way.
NinjaSheik
posted @ Mon, May 17, 2010 9:32:35 pm EDT from 24.252.116.66

I kinda like the idea. After watching Avatar, I can see Katana and Brooklyn's relationship much like Netriyi and Jake's relationship.

And whould someone answer me question?
NinjaSheik
posted @ Mon, May 17, 2010 9:05:23 pm EDT from 24.252.116.66

For the people saying how their feeling old, I'm 22 and I got the Sam and Diane reference.
mage_cat - [mage_cat14 at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Mon, May 17, 2010 8:39:56 pm EDT from 72.150.21.152

We're on this again? Man, a simple "yes" or "no" would do, but then again I did find last night conversation most interesting and amusing.

As I said earlier, me and my sister doesn't think Katana is the jealous type, but I'd kept that option for the drama on my fanfic.

I'm still planning everything in my head, which leads me to another question: Why do you think Brooklyn was sent to Feudal Japan. It wasn't by coincidence that Katana and Brooklyn met. It was their destiny, I'm sure of it.

But, there must another reason why the Phoneix sent Brooklyn there. I need to know what before I use the idea I had in mine.
NinjaSheik
posted @ Mon, May 17, 2010 8:15:00 pm EDT from 24.252.116.66

Algernon: I had a creativity demon in my mind once about Tony Dracon needing weekly sessions with a prison shrink (a tall brunette with glasses) to talk about the dreams he was having about gargoyles gliding away with his penis.

Greg B: Yeah, I don't foresee Katana ever getting weepy about much. I mean, in Bad Guys #6, we saw Yama (who is also a student of Bushido) get stabbed in the torso and barely acknowledge it later. And Katana comes from an even more harsh period of history, so I imagine her as being even more disciplined.
Harvester of Eyes
"I don't know, I'm making this up as I go." -Indiana Jones
posted @ Mon, May 17, 2010 7:28:14 pm EDT from 72.196.238.187

oop my previous comment was directed at Harvaster

@ greg (this time) Wow, thank you for the info! ONe time thing huh? Oh well... *sigh* I'll check out the convo thanka :)
Kiyona
posted @ Mon, May 17, 2010 7:28:03 pm EDT from 81.159.193.132

@ Greg

I'm not sure how to put it. I've never put it in words before. Elisa is my favourite character. But when she became a Gargoyle is was sort of an episode of my favourite being centre of attention. I kinda like my favourite characters becoming a different species!
Kiyona
posted @ Mon, May 17, 2010 7:26:33 pm EDT from 81.159.193.132

Kiyona> I think Greg has said in the past that Elisa as a gargoyle was a one time thing, only. Being a human is fundamental to who Elisa is, and being a gargoyle is fundamental to who Goliath is. Neither one of them are ever going to change that.

I agree with him, if one of them changes, it drains all the drama from their relationship.

He actually had an interesting conversation with a fan about this a number of years ago, let me see if I can find it.

Here it is...

http://s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=1483
http://s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=1522

IAN & BATTLE BEAST> Now, to show how pop culturally ignorant I am, who is Russell and what is "Survivor?"

Brooklyn/Katana & Sam/Diane> Yeah, Greg described their relationship as Sam/Diane-esque, and when no one got it, he described it as Benedick/Beatrice... everyone got that one. I understood both, and the fact that no one got Sam/Diane made me feel old.

So, here it is. Here is Sam and Diane. This is what Brooklyn and Katana will be like:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hlc05uEPLxo

BTW, cookies, pie, and my best single malt scotch to whoever replicates this scene with Brooklyn and Katana!
Greg Bishansky
Demona likes Buffalo Wings.
posted @ Mon, May 17, 2010 7:25:07 pm EDT from 68.199.5.105

If I had to pick a Gargoyles character who I could do without ever seeing again it would probably be Tony Dracon. Maybe it's just because I find Richard Grieco's voice annoying as heck, but Tony always seemed like the weak link in an otherwise excellent rogues gallery. I'm quite happy to leave him as Brod's prison &!^%#.
Algernon
posted @ Mon, May 17, 2010 7:17:49 pm EDT from 86.41.105.122

Greg B: Also, I'll take Demona and Cliff over Demona shacking up with a crunchy, tree-hugging artist. ( ;

Kiyona: Out of curiosity, what was it you liked about the Elisa gargoyle?
Harvester of Eyes
"I don't know, I'm making this up as I go." -Indiana Jones
posted @ Mon, May 17, 2010 7:13:02 pm EDT from 72.196.238.187

Blimey can't belive how fast comments fly!

Ty for the welcome :)

As you can tell I'm an Elisa Garg fan. I wish she'd appear again!
Kiyona
posted @ Mon, May 17, 2010 7:02:48 pm EDT from 81.159.193.132

I added you to my friend list on my FF. Net account, Greg. Is that okay with you?
NinjaSheik
posted @ Mon, May 17, 2010 6:48:51 pm EDT from 24.252.116.66

Greg B: <Wow... that was truly an evil, evil, evil creation. I'm ashamed of this one.>

Hey, relax, you're still less evil than whoever spawned Demona/Pokemon porn.
Harvester of Eyes
"I don't know, I'm making this up as I go." -Indiana Jones
posted @ Mon, May 17, 2010 6:14:48 pm EDT from 72.196.238.187

Hey, Greg! I saw your fic you were talking about! It's pretty good!
NinjaSheik
posted @ Mon, May 17, 2010 5:14:14 pm EDT from 24.252.116.66

RUSSELL SHOULD HAVE WON. AGAIN. 'nuff said about that.

Cheers> Cheers was a great show, and yah, I too got the reference. And I am only 26. :/
Battle Beast - [Canada]
I have started a movie challenge whereby I am wtching all 475 Best Picture nominees and winners in 365 days. I am on Day #70 and movie #86... wish me luck!
posted @ Mon, May 17, 2010 5:10:34 pm EDT from 75.159.239.62

IAN> <<Token Gargoyles mention to keep things on-topic: which character in the series, if any, do you feel has no storylines left in him/her? Personally, I'd go with Hakon, who I feel did not need to return to after "Awakening".>>

Considering that Hakon's soul was permanently destroyed, he's done. But I think "Shadows of the Past" was a great episode, and he should have been done with that episode.
Greg Bishansky
Demona likes Buffalo Wings.
posted @ Mon, May 17, 2010 4:24:07 pm EDT from 68.199.5.105

Everything I know about "Cheers" I learned from "I Love the 80's--but "hee!" at '80's Alex Trebek. Now I want to see Cliff play against Russell in "Survivor" to see who can be the most misguided, shortsighted, and egotistical player.

Token Gargoyles mention to keep things on-topic: which character in the series, if any, do you feel has no storylines left in him/her? Personally, I'd go with Hakon, who I feel did not need to return to after "Awakening".
Ian Perez - [doknowbutchie at gmail dot com]
posted @ Mon, May 17, 2010 4:21:03 pm EDT from 173.211.169.184

Sigh, the Cliff Clavin reference shows just how old I am, doesn't it? Of course, I'm the only one who knew what Greg was talking about when he used the phrase "Sam/Diane relationship."

Ahem, Cliff Clavin was a character on "Cheers" played by John Ratzenberger. He was a mailman, and the bar "know-it-all," and basically, the most repulsive human being on the planet. He's a self-described "expert on everything" who, in actuality knows nothing. Oh yeah, he's middle-aged and still lives with his mother.

This would be, in my opinion, the character's defining moment:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=botdmsQilnU

Let's put it this way, Cliff Clavin would probably be Demona's case FOR human genocide if she ever met him.
Greg Bishansky
Demona likes Buffalo Wings.
posted @ Mon, May 17, 2010 3:39:47 pm EDT from 68.199.5.105

ComicsOnline has some nice things to say about Spectacular Spider-Man in their DVD review: http://www.comicsonline.com/node/1030 They're also giving away free copies, though the article's a little old now.
Landon Thomas - [<- Gargoyles News Twitter Feed]
posted @ Mon, May 17, 2010 3:18:13 pm EDT from 128.101.32.234

Who the heck is Cliff Clavin? In any case, that story is now canon. Sorry, Greg. ;)
Ian Perez - [doknowbutchie at gmail dot com]
posted @ Mon, May 17, 2010 3:10:31 pm EDT from 173.211.169.184

10th, slow day...
Chip - [Sir_Griff723 at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Mon, May 17, 2010 1:57:28 pm EDT from 204.184.4.34

Ninth
Phil - [p1anderson at go dot com]
posted @ Mon, May 17, 2010 9:36:24 am EDT from 69.131.42.43

8TH!!!
Matt - [ewoks11 at hotmail dot com]
"For science, which, as my associate Fang indicated, must move ever forward. Plus there's the money... and I do love the drama!" -Sevarius, 'Louse'
posted @ Mon, May 17, 2010 7:56:02 am EDT from 76.217.239.172

7!
Jurgan - [jurgan6 at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Mon, May 17, 2010 6:16:29 am EDT from 71.204.227.228

6th
VickyUK - [vickyfanofwwe at aol dot com]
posted @ Mon, May 17, 2010 5:20:19 am EDT from 195.93.21.10

Fifth!!

Demona and Cliff Claven...?

That...is...scary...

*Hears the theme of Cheers in the background*

Well...this is disconcerting...
The One Known As Mochi - [shogi dot keima dot 08 at gmail dot com]
Current Mood: (>T.T)> Animation project not going well...
posted @ Mon, May 17, 2010 2:49:04 am EDT from 72.199.80.182

Forth
mage_cat - [mage_cat14 at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Mon, May 17, 2010 12:19:33 am EDT from 72.150.47.23

THIRD in the name of seeing the full Toy Story 3 a MONTH before its release :D

Bishansky -- just read that fic from last week/today . . . oh dear . . .
Phoenician
"The suspense is terrible, I hope it lasts" -- Willy Wonka
posted @ Mon, May 17, 2010 12:16:39 am EDT from 70.190.58.163

<<And sorry? For what?>>

For the evil thing I have unleashed. For pairing up Demona with Cliff Clavin. I was attempting to make some kind of point, but... I don't know what that point was anymore.

Wow... that was truly an evil, evil, evil creation. I'm ashamed of this one.

As for fanfic, I have written fic before. I don't write it anymore, these days I focus on original fiction, and screenplays. But I have one on fanfiction.net called "Rhapsody" which was me theorizing on Canon-in-training revelations, and trying to extrapolate where I see these characters in sixty years. It's still there, I think. Katana is in it, but she's not the main character.

Oh, and FIRST!
Greg Bishansky
Demona likes Buffalo Wings.
posted @ Mon, May 17, 2010 12:00:34 am EDT from 68.199.5.105

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