Well, thank you for your answers and again for your advices, about the crystal ball don't worry I will buy it for you(I am jocking).
So thank you again and see you soon.
Brian Bartoccini - [giovanni dot bartoccini at gmail dot com]
posted @ Sun, Aug 8, 2010 7:02:17 pm EDT from 217.201.94.126

Brian <<what do you think, will be a good movie>>

I think that I cannot give an opinion on whether a movie will be good or not when it hasn't even been green lit yet, and as far as I know, they don't even have a script yet.

I also think that if the fandom does it's job, this movie will not get made and we'll hopefully get a movie based on our "Gargoyles" instead.

But if you absolutely need my opinion on whether this movie will be good, please buy me a crystal ball so I can gaze into the future and learn more about it.
Greg Bishansky - [<----- Make a real "Gargoyles" movie, Disney!]
Make a real "Gargoyles" movie, Disney!
posted @ Sun, Aug 8, 2010 6:56:07 pm EDT from 68.199.5.105

Ok Mr. Bishansky, I will remember this too; in first commet I talked about the disney movie of the Gargoyles(we know it is not about the tv serie), what do you think, will be a good movie? And do you know by chance any news more than me about this movie?
Brian Bartoccini - [giovanni dot bartoccini at gmail dot com]
posted @ Sun, Aug 8, 2010 6:50:16 pm EDT from 217.201.94.126

Brian Bartoccini (see, I took the time to spell your name correctly> It's Bishansky, not "Bisasky." If it gives you trouble, that's what Copy & Paste is for.
Greg Bishansky - [<----- Make a real "Gargoyles" movie, Disney!]
Make a real "Gargoyles" movie, Disney!
posted @ Sun, Aug 8, 2010 6:43:00 pm EDT from 68.199.5.105

Thank you Mr. Bisasky, I will remember your advices, sorry for my mistakes both of my questions and my english(I am italian), I discovered this site since three weeks and I often don't go to Internet.
So I hope my english it is understandable, goodbye Mr. Bisasky and thank you again.
Brian Bartoccini - [giovanni dot bartoccini at gmail dot com]
posted @ Sun, Aug 8, 2010 6:08:05 pm EDT from 217.201.94.126

So I've just this second noticed that, in the 'Other sites' drop down menu, one of the links is spelled 'Gargoyels Forum'. Can somebody please correct it?
Supermorff
posted @ Sun, Aug 8, 2010 2:44:02 pm EDT from 86.151.46.63

Brian Bartoccini> As a rule of thumb, generally speaking, if you go some where on the internet, and there are guidelines very clearly posted, they're not just there for decoration.

BTW, you should have posted your Jon Canmore question here, because many of us could have answered it for you. Here, I am going to make an attempt:

***

Hello Mr. Weisman it is me again and I have an other question: in Hunter's Moon part 3 Jhon Canmore lose his mind after seen his brother dying (apparently), and then he swears hate and revnge against the gargoyles, but his brother in the end at last recovers his mind and he understand, thanks to Elisa Maza, the gargoyles are not their enemies, but I don't understand why Jhon did not the same thing too after seen his brother alive and all humanity saved from the virus that Demona created by Goliath.
Can you explain me that in detail?

***

Jon swore hate and vengeance against the gargoyles earlier in the episode. In his mind he felt that if he wiped the gargoyles out in the Clock Tower, Jason would still be alive... but, as usual, it's easier to blame others than yourself.

The same thing happened at the end of the episode, except on a much larger scale. Jon shot his brother, may have killed his brother. He couldn't accept that, so he projected all of his self loathing and guilt for that onto the gargoyles.

You see, Jason was a strong man. Strong in his convictions, strong in his hate, but strong enough to realize and admit that he was wrong, and change for the better. Jon, on the other hand, was a weak man. Too weak to stand up to his brother and say the hunt is wrong, too weak to even walk away, which would have been far easier. And finally, too weak to take responsibility for his own mistakes.

"What have I -- what have THEY done?!" gee, who does that sound like?

I'm sure he knows Jason is alive now, but the damage is already done. Maybe he didn't kill his brother, but he did permanently cripple his brother.

As for why Jon didn't change when he "saw" Goliath save humanity. Well, he didn't see Goliath save humanity. He didn't witness what happened in there. Maybe Robyn saved humanity. Maybe Detective Maza saved humanity. Maybe Demona's spell just didn't work. All that matters is that the hunt is not over, and his new friends in the Illuminati seem to be helping him continue it. In other words, never underestimate the power of self deception. It's what keeps Demona going.
Greg Bishansky - [<----- Make a real "Gargoyles" movie, Disney!]
Make a real "Gargoyles" movie, Disney!
posted @ Sun, Aug 8, 2010 1:31:55 pm EDT from 68.199.5.105

Hi I am a new fan, how are you? Hey that guy named Bisasky had right I could not gave suggestions to Mr. Weisman, that is why my first two questions are been cancelled, I did not know I had to read the guidelines, well now I know that(about Demona in Holocaust too).
I know the Disney wants do a movie dedicate to the Gargoyles and they are not the same thet we know, that is absurd, Disney disgregards the tv serie and in my opinion it is very beautiful.
What do you think about this movie? will be a good movie(I hope my english it is understandable)?
Brian Bartoccini - [giovanni dot bartoccini at gmail dot com]
posted @ Sun, Aug 8, 2010 11:25:48 am EDT from 217.201.104.229

Considering that I wrote out most of the first appearances section in the gargwiki I'm really sucking at that characters quiz lol. One of those funny things-I'm good with listing things in the correct oder but I HATE doing it. Same with writing. Reminds me that the wiki summaries are not finished. Any takers? There's only a few more episodes to do and I've kind of lost interest for the time being.
Purplegoldfish
posted @ Sun, Aug 8, 2010 3:27:53 am EDT from 64.148.8.153

Greg X: Did I really put that?

...Oi vey, I did. XP

I had meant to put "Lord"...that is his correct title at the time of his death, right? Considering that Gillecomgain became "Lord Gillecomgain" after receiving High Stewardship of Moray, as evidenced by his wedding announcement.

I'm off to fix.

Wingless: Scooby-Doo has always been fairly cheezy. That's part of the fun.

But yeah, Welker's been voicing Scooby since the 90s film "Scooby-Doo on Zombie Island" at least.
Masterdramon - [kmc12009 at mymail dot pomona dot edu]
"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss!" - Roger Daltrey of The Who
posted @ Sun, Aug 8, 2010 12:57:00 am EDT from 72.130.246.18

Masterdramon - Actually, I wasn't aware Frank had taken over the role of Scooby. Not sure if Don did it from the beginning or not (There are even some sources that credit Mickey Dolenz doing Scooby's voice, but I question those). I was the biggest fan of Scooby for the first 2 seasons 1969 and 1970. This is when Scooby didn't regularly walk on hind legs and couldn't talk with an "S" - which I preferred. Things tended to get cheezy after that-from the "New scooby-doo Movies" onward(although most of his original traits were kept for those movies and it was still the original voice for Velma). But hey, it's a Garg chat-not a Scooby chat. Just amazes me how much voice work Frank Welker has done....and then there's his "The Totally Ridiculous 12 Days of Christmas" single(which I do have a copy of)
http://www.mkbmemorial.com/FWHp/12days.mp3
Maybe something fun for the garg wiki
Wingless
posted @ Sat, Aug 7, 2010 11:42:48 pm EDT from 99.245.254.123

Masterdramon> Sorry to nitpick your characters quiz again, but Findlaech was not a king.
Greg Bishansky - [<----- Make a real "Gargoyles" movie, Disney!]
Make a real "Gargoyles" movie, Disney!
posted @ Sat, Aug 7, 2010 11:33:50 pm EDT from 68.199.5.105

Wingless: Not to mention that Welker's been the voice of Scooby himself since Don Messick passed away.

Given all this Scooby-Doo talk, I'm wondering if anyone else here happens to be watching the new "Scooby-Doo: Mystery Incorporated" series. As a lifelong Scooby fanatic, I've been enjoying this new take on the mythos immensely; the series features such innovations as season-long story arcs, frequent usage of in-jokes and meta-humor, a heavier emphasis on romance, and, for perhaps the first time, genuinely frightening monster costumes. Oh, and Lewis Black is in it as a regular cameo. :D

If you're an old fan of the original Scooby-Doo cartoons or any of the stuff that followed, I advise checking it out. It airs on Cartoon Network with new episodes weekly, and the four episodes aired so far are on YouTube if anyone wants to catch up.
Masterdramon - [kmc12009 at mymail dot pomona dot edu]
"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss!" - Roger Daltrey of The Who
posted @ Sat, Aug 7, 2010 10:37:33 pm EDT from 72.130.246.18

Adam> Interesting. I might as well share one that added to the Star Trek section on GargWiki. Brent Spiner who voices Puck, as Data actually read a line from A Midsummer Night's Dream on an episode of Star Trek The Next Generation (Time Arrow Part 2). The line is "How now, spirit. Whither wander you?" which said by Puck.
Antiyonder
posted @ Sat, Aug 7, 2010 4:56:02 pm EDT from 96.239.207.177

Adam - have seen that Scooby movie too and picked up on the voice right away. No mistaking it. ^_^ Of course you've got Frank Welker in there too as Fred(and who knows what other animal voices). Amazing to think he's been doing the voice of Fred for over 40 years now.
Wingless
posted @ Sat, Aug 7, 2010 4:32:32 pm EDT from 99.245.254.123

Took all three recent quizzes. Got 100% on all but the quotes, where I missed two. Couldn't remember what Puck lived for. And Fang's pack of ... well, I wasn't specific enough.

I'm LOVING these quizzes. Not sure why, but they make me little kid happy. Thanks!
L.T. Williams
posted @ Sat, Aug 7, 2010 4:31:17 pm EDT from 71.93.81.240

So I am watching Scooby-Doo and the Loch Ness Monster. And there is a character named Fiona on the show and she bares a striking resemblence to Molly from "Hound of Ulster". So I did some research and Fiona is voiced by Sheena Easton, who of course also voiced Molly. Just thought it was a weird coincidence that I thought to share.
Adam - [carl006_1999 at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Sat, Aug 7, 2010 1:45:26 pm EDT from 24.118.35.68

Supermorff: I'm not entirely sure, since I haven't yet made a quiz with hidden answers myself. Best course of action should be to simply try doing so and then testing out the result to see if it does what you want it to do.

As for the one you missed, I just added [SPOILER] the singular forms of Tyrants, Strangers, and Losers [/SPOILER] as alternate answers, per general Sporcle guidelines. Should have remembered to do that earlier...sorry 'bout that.
Masterdramon - [kmc12009 at mymail dot pomona dot edu]
"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss!" - Roger Daltrey of The Who
posted @ Sat, Aug 7, 2010 1:26:55 pm EDT from 72.130.246.18

Masterdramon> So can you still put an extra clue in the third column, even if you put 'ee' as well? Does 'ee' have to go at the beginning of the line or something?

Anyway, I took the latest quiz, which was very good. I got 17 out of 18, only missing [SPOILER] Tyrants [/SPOILER], because I forgot that [SPOILER] it was a plural [/SPOILER].
Supermorff
posted @ Sat, Aug 7, 2010 1:17:32 pm EDT from 86.151.46.63

Alright, I've got the SLG comic issues quiz up and running. Should be a piece of cake to most of the regular posters here, but I feel that it's necessary to make up for the unfortunate fact that I had to include TGC in my first quiz:

http://www.sporcle.com/games/Masterdramon/gargoyles_issues

Supermorff: Nice job! I've played both of your games and ranked them 5 Sporcle orbs. I tore through the quotes one in just under a minute, while I scored rather lower on the Star Trek one...mostly because I've never seen the series. I could name the easy ones like [SPOILER] Frakes or Sirtis or Spiner [/SPOILER], but I had a lot more trouble with the guest stars who played rather more minor roles in "Gargoyles."

As for adding spin-off actors as bonuses, you should take a quick read-through of this FAQ:

http://www.sporcle.com/faq_create.php

However, the short answer is you need to place an "ee" in the third column of your bonus answers, and make sure that those bonuses are the very last entries in your data sheet.

In any event, I enjoyed your quizzes, and look forward to seeing what else you can come up with!
Masterdramon - [kmc12009 at mymail dot pomona dot edu]
"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss!" - Roger Daltrey of The Who
posted @ Sat, Aug 7, 2010 12:04:37 pm EDT from 72.130.246.18

Still at it. Made another quiz for actors that have appeared in both Gargoyls and Star Trek (series regulars only). Shorter than I expected. I wanted to do bonus answers for guest stars but I couldn't figure out how.

Anyway, enjoy: http://www.sporcle.com/games/Supermorff/gargoyle_startrek
Supermorff
posted @ Sat, Aug 7, 2010 10:46:35 am EDT from 86.151.46.63

I got 18.
Adam - [carl006_1999 at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Sat, Aug 7, 2010 10:35:26 am EDT from 24.118.35.68

Supermorff> Ugh, I got 17 out of 18. The 17 I got I typed out without pause or effort... but for some reason I couldn't remember the exact adjective Fox used to describe Xanatos. I had a lot of guesses though... Ugh, kicking myself on that one.
Matt - [ewoks11 at hotmail dot com]
"For science, which, as my associate Fang indicated, must move ever forward. Plus there's the money... and I do love the drama!" -Sevarius, 'Louse'
posted @ Sat, Aug 7, 2010 8:55:53 am EDT from 76.217.239.172

Masterdramon et al> Well, in that case I decided to have a go myself and created a Gargoyles quotes quiz. It's a first try, and it's probably not very hard for most fans, but I thought it probably best to appeal to casual quiz-goers. Advice on improvements would be welcome.

It's at http://www.sporcle.com/games/Supermorff/gargoyles_quotes
Supermorff
posted @ Sat, Aug 7, 2010 8:23:06 am EDT from 86.151.46.63

READING GARGWIKI FOR 2 HOURS HAS PISSED ME OFF...
I now want a Gargolyes Timedancer arc :\
Richard Ton - [phuton7 at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Sat, Aug 7, 2010 7:37:13 am EDT from 99.100.182.66

It's recent comments like these that make you wish there were new Gargoyles episodes... the devotion of Gargoyles fans can not be rivaled... and that's just pretty damn awesome.
You guys rock, keep truckin.
Richard Ton - [phuton7 at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Sat, Aug 7, 2010 5:47:34 am EDT from 99.100.182.66

Supermorff: Unfortunately, Sporcle does not allow you to add tags to quizzes; the system generates them automatically based on certain key words in your title, and "Gargoyles" is not used in enough quizzes for it to be a taggable term. This is why having more quizzes based on the series/comics is helpful; it increases the chances that the system will begin to recognize "Gargoyles" as a valid term to search.

...On that note, I think that I'll set up a quick quiz for the issues of the comic tonight. There are only 18 answers, so it shouldn't take too long. I'll post the link here when I'm done.
Masterdramon - [kmc12009 at mymail dot pomona dot edu]
"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss!" - Roger Daltrey of The Who
posted @ Sat, Aug 7, 2010 4:58:48 am EDT from 72.130.246.18

Greg B> I have accepted your challenge and also taken the quiz again. All 200 with 4:17 to spare. I had some trouble with some of the comics characters, though, so I bet someone could do it even faster.

Masterdramon> Regarding the quiz, I'm not sure how sporcle works but is it possible to add tags to one? I did a search for 'gargoyles' but came up with nothing because no 'gargoyles' tags had been added. There is a popular 'character' tag too that would be appropriate. It might help people find it.
Supermorff
posted @ Sat, Aug 7, 2010 4:48:47 am EDT from 86.151.46.63

If a new Gargoyles comic came out, I'd like it to be pencilled by Greg Guler, Karine Charlebois, or Chris Jones, if it's going to be someone who has worked on Gargoyles before. If it wasn't one of them, I'd rather it be someone who hasn't worked on Gargoyles yet.

But...truth be told, I would read it no matter who does the art.
Gargoyles Movie - [Rebel (trying to help with Google bombing)]
posted @ Sat, Aug 7, 2010 1:24:15 am EDT from 69.134.199.200

Personally, I prefer one artist. But I don't mind mutliple artists if they all have the same feel them, like Gargoyles did (I am talking about The Ultimates in Marvel and Legacy in Star Wars). If/when new comics come out, they could use different artists for each story line. Like in CB2, have one artist do the first three issues and then someone else do the last three issues. That way we would get the same feel for each story line while enjoying multiple artists talents. Just a thought.

ps. Maybe we should sacrifice a goat or cow or something to Odin to get a new Gargoyles comic.
Adam - [carl006_1999 at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Fri, Aug 6, 2010 11:30:25 pm EDT from 24.118.35.68

Was I the only one who enjoyed the variety of artists on the Clan-Building issues? Having one consistent artist would be nice (and Bad Guys came out beautifully for it), but I thought that the varying art styles demonstrated the strength of the stories of the Gargoyles Universe...that they could adapt to any medium of presentation, with each artist bringing their own unique take to the table (for example, Paniry's overdeveloped muscles that I thought were great in that particular issue at making Claw seem like a genuine physical threat, or Dunn's anime-style faces on the females that gave them more of a simple innocence in contrast with the males).

I tend to enjoy radically different art styles, as in my experience they tend to enrich the story rather than draw from it. The idea of a Galloway-drawn spin-off really appeals to me, because his style is exceedingly unique and the action flows well, making him a perfect fit for 2198. I've also always been interested in an anime/manga-style spin-off, though I'm not sure which one fits the concept best. Manga art has its own inherent strengths and weaknesses in comparison to Western art, and I'd like to see how Greg's stories would mesh with such a style.
Masterdramon - [kmc12009 at mymail dot pomona dot edu]
"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss!" - Roger Daltrey of The Who
posted @ Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:38:03 pm EDT from 72.130.246.18

This has me intrigued. Not to ingtrigued honestly, I ain't really confident in antyhing coming from this, but, if something did come from this, well, that'd be pretty sweet.
Ice - [lcetyrant at hotmail dot com]
posted @ Fri, Aug 6, 2010 10:32:36 pm EDT from 75.81.212.106

Todd> I've seen the Twitter Demona make comments to Boom before about making a Gargoyles comic and never really get a response. That's why this stuck out to me. Boom went from saying nothing to actively responding in a way that would at least seem to suggest that they like the idea. And I tend to agree that a company isn't going to tease someone with the possibility of something happening unless they at least intend to look into it.

Algernon> After seeing Sean Galloway's possible designs for the 2198 characters, I really would like to see him on that spinoff. Of all the spinoffs, that's the one I most want to have a different look that sets it apart from everything else, something that reflects how separated it is from the other titles.
Demonskrye - [<---"Half-Hour Commercials" at The Ink and Pixel Club]
posted @ Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:33:20 pm EDT from 146.115.115.75

GREG B> "Greg Guler is and will remain my first choice. Karine is a second choice."

Those are really good choices but I'm going to court controversy and make a slightly left field suggestion: Sean Galloway. He'd probably be best for one of the spin offs which will need their own styles but after browsing his work on deviantart, I'd like to see him work on something Gargoyles related.
Algernon
posted @ Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:06:08 pm EDT from 86.41.100.34

IAN> Greg Guler is and will remain my first choice. Karine is a second choice.

I hope Robby Bevard stays involved also.
Greg Bishansky - [<----- Make a real "Gargoyles" movie, Disney!]
Make a real "Gargoyles" movie, Disney!
posted @ Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:46:23 pm EDT from 68.199.5.105

On that note, whether we get a new comic or not: which artist would y'all like to see bring Goliath and Co.'s latest adventures to life?

My two first choices: Karine Charlebois if we're going with someone that worked on the SLG series, or, if we're going for a Gargoyles virgin, Aluir Amancio (Superman Adventures, DCAU Storyboarder). Too bad he's been M.I.A. ...

http://blog.oregonlive.com/steveduin/2008/08/bring_me_the_head_or_the_penci.html
Ian Perez - [doknowbutchie at gmail dot com]
posted @ Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:44:27 pm EDT from 67.203.214.45

The only thing I can say is this. If Boom Studios treats "Gargoyles" as well as they are treating "Darkwing Duck" then they're the perfect home for it. It would actually come out ON TIME, most likely as a monthly, and the art would be good and consistent. I'll always be grateful to SLG for giving us the previous comic series, but Boom would be a much better home for "Gargoyles."

Also, in my experience, most companies don't tease like that unless something is in the works. So, I'm keeping my fingers crossed and my eyes peeled.
Greg Bishansky - [<----- Make a real "Gargoyles" movie, Disney!]
Make a real "Gargoyles" movie, Disney!
posted @ Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:04:06 pm EDT from 68.199.5.105

Or they might be simply being polite - though it would be great if they really did come out with a "Gargoyles" comic book. I'll admit, though, that the BOOM! comic I'm anticipating more at the moment is the trade paperback version of "Muppet King Arthur" whenever it comes out; while I haven't read the individual issues yet (I don't get out to comics stores often these days), I saw some previews of them and they looked funny (plus, as a long-time Arthurian buff....).
Todd Jensen
posted @ Fri, Aug 6, 2010 6:56:14 pm EDT from 4.244.212.104

Took the character quiz again. All 200... with 1:50 to spare.
Greg Bishansky - [<----- Make a real "Gargoyles" movie, Disney!]
Make a real "Gargoyles" movie, Disney!
posted @ Fri, Aug 6, 2010 4:07:37 pm EDT from 68.199.5.105

*pokes head in* Hey. Haven't been here in a while, but I've been trying to help the cause out on facebook and my dA.

@Demonskrye - I'm seriously spazzing at the moment. What's up with BOOM!'s latest tweets? I'm getting reeeally anxious right now.
lvl27_cubone
Does the sky need a name? Does the river?
posted @ Fri, Aug 6, 2010 3:40:51 pm EDT from 70.183.49.170

New job means less time to haunt the CR, so I've just had the chance to check out Masterdramon's 200 character quiz: I managed a 147/200, or a 73.5% . . . so I guess I passed, but like others have pointed out, a couple of embarrassments in what was missing. For me that included: [SPOILER] Martin Hacker (gah!) Mary (Good Grief!! and I got Finella), Margot Yale (>_<), Maria Chavez, Al . . . [/SPOILER] of the comics, I got a fair heap of them, like [SPOILER] Sangpo, Quincey, the Chungs, Thug, and Tasha, [/SPOILER] but I totally blanked on folks like [SPOILER] SHARI (look away folks), Coco, Amp, The Director, Falstaff and Fleur. [/SPOILER]

Still fun stuff :D

Justin: Wow, sorry I didn't see your post sooner! Yeah, it was actually four of us that took a picture together, the winners of the two-piece necklace (me!), the key chain (I think her name was Andrea or Abby, I'm blanking again now >_<), the full gate (you), and the maker -- Halloweenking (who made all those epic Phoenix Gate pins for the weekend) d:

Boom: I like the Hmmmms around here. Its not much, but when I manage to visit again, I'll be looking forward to new developments :)
Phoenician
"The suspense is terrible, I hope it lasts" -- Willy Wonka
posted @ Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:35:24 pm EDT from 70.190.58.163

Very "Hmmm....indeed". I'm quite curious to see where this is leading....
Sir_Griff723@yahoo.com - [Sir_Griff723 at yahoo dot com]
"Authority should derive from the consent of the governed, not by the threat of force" Barbie in Toy Story 3--The only version of the character that I respect.
posted @ Fri, Aug 6, 2010 2:35:12 pm EDT from 68.184.240.176

I really want to avoid getting my hopes up needlessly...but between these cryptically intriguing statements and the announcement today that David Bowie's "Space Oddity" will be on Rock Band 3, I'm currently feeling more charitable toward Twitter than I have in...well, ever.
Masterdramon - [kmc12009 at mymail dot pomona dot edu]
"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss!" - Roger Daltrey of The Who
posted @ Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:59:56 pm EDT from 72.130.246.18

HMMMMMMM... indeed ;)
Greg Bishansky - [<----- Make a real "Gargoyles" movie, Disney!]
Make a real "Gargoyles" movie, Disney!
posted @ Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:33:24 pm EDT from 68.199.5.105

Sir_Griff> Demona_Gargoyle: The "Make a REAL Gargoyles Movie, Disney!" Facebook group has over 1,000 members now. Good. I shall triumph! Do you hear me, @boomstudios?!

boomstudios: @Demona_Gargoyle OH!!! We HEAR you!!! :)

Demona_Gargoyle: @boomstudios I only pester you because I know a comic book about us would be in good hands with you. ;)

boomstudios: @Demona_Gargoyle hrmmm...THAT sounds like an idea! :)

Demona_Gargoyle: @boomstudios I just hope you ask that delightful human, Weisman, to write it. He is the only human I tolerate. ;)


Again, HMMMMMMM.
Demonskrye - [<---The Pebble and the Penguin at The Ink and Pixel Club]
posted @ Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:30:13 am EDT from 146.115.115.75

Demonskrye> I have no twitter account, what are they saying?
Sir_Griff723@yahoo.com - [Sir_Griff723 at yahoo dot com]
"Authority should derive from the consent of the governed, not by the threat of force" Barbie in Toy Story 3--The only version of the character that I respect.
posted @ Fri, Aug 6, 2010 12:08:09 am EDT from 68.184.240.176

Algernon> Not if I thought she might know where I live.
Demonskrye - [<---The Pebble and the Penguin at The Ink and Pixel Club]
posted @ Thu, Aug 5, 2010 10:33:29 pm EDT from 146.115.115.75

DEMONSKRYE> Well if Demona came and demanded you make a comic about her, would you say no?
Algernon
posted @ Thu, Aug 5, 2010 8:46:14 pm EDT from 86.40.4.226

@Harvester of Eyes Aw, really? Poop. Noted and corrected. Thanks.
Ian Perez - [doknowbutchie at gmail dot com]
posted @ Thu, Aug 5, 2010 8:43:37 pm EDT from 173.211.139.114

@boomstudios seems unusually responsive to the Twitter Demona's strong suggestions that there should be a Gargoyles comic.

I'm not one to jump to conclusions, but I think this merits a "Hmmmmm."
Demonskrye - [<---The Pebble and the Penguin at The Ink and Pixel Club]
posted @ Thu, Aug 5, 2010 8:21:07 pm EDT from 146.115.115.75

Ian: Not bad, but just one small nit: Fox's last appearance on the TV Series was actually "Hunter's Moon, Part Three."
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75 at gmail dot com]
"I don't know, I'm making this up as I go." -Indiana Jones
posted @ Thu, Aug 5, 2010 7:57:36 pm EDT from 76.27.173.29

Antiyonder here.

Greg B> Really? I mean, I knew the Uncle Scrooge comics is temporarily reprinting some old Ducktales stories, but I've heard nothing of a full fledged Ducktales comic series.
Anonymous
posted @ Thu, Aug 5, 2010 5:58:34 pm EDT from 66.96.68.185

I have far too much time on my hands. An analysis of (almost) every look Fox sported in the cartoon. Because clearly this is the most pressing issue affecting the fandom: http://nymonsters.wordpress.com/2010/08/05/fug-the-fox/
Ian Perez - [doknowbutchie at gmail dot com]
posted @ Thu, Aug 5, 2010 5:48:18 pm EDT from 173.211.139.114

I sent this out to the Facebook group a few moments ago, but I thought I would post it here as well:

***

In just a few short weeks, we have reached a thousand members. This is great. If you're trying to think of something else you can do, one tactic to take is to get some "Gargoyles" product on the shelves. Currently, the comic book license is up for grabs, if you haven't read the previous comics, they are available in three trade paperbacks at amazon.com, and were published by the fine folks at SLG.

Currently, Boom Studios is publishing "Darkwing Duck" comics, and will soon be publishing "DuckTales" comics, as well as a comic based on "The Incredibles." They are doing a spectacular job, if I say so myself. So, let's all contact them and ask them to produce a "Gargoyles" comic book. Here's a link to a simple form to contact them online:

http://blog.boom-studios.net/contact/

Ask for "Gargoyles." Let's prove that there is demand for more product based on our defenders of the night.

Now, for those of you who are new, these are the two movie producers we need to write to. Snail mail is our only chance here.

ATTN: Lauren Shuler Donner
The Donners' Company
9465 Wilshire Blvd. Suite 420
Beverly Hills, CA 90212
USA

ATTN: LouAnne Brickhouse
The Walt Disney Studios Company
500 S. Buena Vista St.
Burbank, CA 91521-9722
USA

Be passionate, but do not be hostile. If we get hostile, we're giving them every excuse to throw our letters away, and we cannot do that. Tell them if they are going to make a movie about "Gargoyles" to embrace the popular cartoon from the 1990's. Tell them there is a large fanbase that loves it. Tell them that there is a rich mythology and lots of great material that would make for a great franchise of movies. Tell them they shouldn't throw this away.
Greg Bishansky - [<----- Make a real "Gargoyles" movie, Disney!]
Make a real "Gargoyles" movie, Disney!
posted @ Thu, Aug 5, 2010 5:47:21 pm EDT from 68.199.5.105

Hi, guys! News, or news to me, garg cast sightings:

Comic Book Superheroes: Keith David narrates it

Black Dynamite : Sally Richardson acts in it
Jade Griffin
"Get yer jammies, Ralph!" -Bill Maxwell (played by Robert Culp), "The Greatest American Hero" -- You sure did, sir; you sure did...
posted @ Thu, Aug 5, 2010 12:34:09 pm EDT from 24.205.206.74

Masterdramon> My guess would be that since this series is supposed to be set early in the DC universe, Zatanna may be too young to be part of the Justice League. Maybe she'll become part of Young Justice.
Demonskrye - [<---The Pebble and the Penguin at The Ink and Pixel Club]
posted @ Thu, Aug 5, 2010 9:01:49 am EDT from 146.115.115.75

That last post was me.
Algernon
posted @ Thu, Aug 5, 2010 8:58:57 am EDT from 86.40.254.73

MASTERDRAMON> I kinda figured it the other way round since Greg confirmed that some characters will die in this series, at some point Zatara's might be killed and pass the mantle on to Zatanna. She might even start out as a temporary member of YJ before graduating to the "big leagues".
Anonymous
posted @ Thu, Aug 5, 2010 8:58:08 am EDT from 86.40.254.73

Jurgan: Funny man, eh? Well I've got a way of dealing with "funny men"...

...Okay, no I don't. That was a bluff. XD

>pokes Jurgan anyway<

In other news, this particular tidbit on AskGreg yesterday interested me:

Grant writes...

5) Why Zatara and not Zatanna in the Justice League?

Greg responds...

5. That will eventually become obvious.

Anyone else get the vibe from this answer that Zatanna will be dead in this universe? It would certainly be in line with Greg's clue, and it would probably make Zatara a lot more interesting. Certainly, he's not a character that has been played with much outside of the comic books, and this possibility certainly intrigues me.
Masterdramon - [kmc12009 at mymail dot pomona dot edu]
"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss!" - Roger Daltrey of The Who
posted @ Thu, Aug 5, 2010 8:32:11 am EDT from 72.130.246.18

Sorry, Masterdamon. I'll be sure to do it correctly in the future- Masterdraemon. You never have to worry about it again, Masterdraymon.
Jurgen- no, Jurgan! - [jurgan6 at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Thu, Aug 5, 2010 7:56:13 am EDT from 71.204.227.228

Thanks for all the feedback on my quiz. This was my first try at any suck quiz. I will take it off-line so I can tweek it. I will get it reposted as soon as possible.
Adam - [carl006_1999 at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Thu, Aug 5, 2010 7:03:37 am EDT from 24.118.35.68

I couldn't resist taking Adam's quiz after he posted it. It wasn't always easy to understand what I was being quizzed on, but once I got the hang of it, I did pretty well. I got 87 out of 99. I actually did get things like "blue beaked gargoyle" simply because half way through the quiz it became apparent to me that most of the information was a simple transference from the GargWiki. And since I wrote or heavily edited most of the clan and gargoyle pages (not to mention created the "Clan" page itself), I had a good basis of knowledge. Anyway, kinda disorganized, but that made it more of a challenge.
Matt - [ewoks11 at hotmail dot com]
"For science, which, as my associate Fang indicated, must move ever forward. Plus there's the money... and I do love the drama!" -Sevarius, 'Louse'
posted @ Thu, Aug 5, 2010 1:00:08 am EDT from 76.217.239.172

Antiyonder: I feel like I would be unbelievably psyched for "Ultimate Spider-Man" if it hadn't been the final nail in Spectacular's coffin. As it is...well, I'll check out the pilot, and reserve judgment until then.

Jurgan: Oh Gods, not here too...it's "Masterdramon."

No capital "D."

No...capital..."D."

No capital "D"!

;)
Masterdramon - [kmc12009 at mymail dot pomona dot edu]
"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss!" - Roger Daltrey of The Who
posted @ Thu, Aug 5, 2010 12:14:29 am EDT from 72.130.246.18

I agree with everything MasterDramon said about the quiz. Thank you, you saved me a lot of trouble.
Jurgan - [jurgan6 at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Wed, Aug 4, 2010 11:16:02 pm EDT from 71.204.227.228

D. Taina: Congrats! :D

Adam: Good for you, sir. The more Gargoyles quizzes there are on Sporcle, the more likely it is that "gargoyles" itself will become an applicable search term, which is my ultimate goal.

All the same, I just took it, and I'd like to copy-and-paste this comment that I made on Sporcle (since the site cut off much of my message and removed the formatting):

Lot of elements that should be revamped here...I appreciate the effort and all, but this quiz is pretty much a mess right now. A few tips:

- Most importantly, this thing needs a MAJOR organization overhaul. There appears to be little rhyme or reason to how the Gargates are ordered besides a rough alottment by Clan and generation, and whether you want to do it alphabetically, alphabetically by Clan, by first appearance, etc., there needs to be a LOT less random placement of characters (particularly Nashville, who is currently quite out-of-place). It makes the whole think much more difficult.

- There are some characters that REALLY don't have any business being here. "blue-beaked gargoyle" and "red gargoyle beast" are the worst offenders; they can pretty much only be guessed accidentally, and as such are inappropriate for Sporcle. Stick to characters that, as very least, have Canon-in-Training names (so that's a no on "Hudson's mate" as well). Also, Taichi is already covered by Egwardo (and is misspelled to boot)...just use one or the other, and allow the entry to accept both names (same with Othello/Coldstone and his brethren). Plus, "Wyvern future" and "Camelot" are officially called "New Wyvern" and "New Camelot," so change them to those. And aren't the "cell" entries a bit redundant? They're all part of Demona's Clan anyway. Finally, "Olympian" is covered by "New Olympian"...there's no point in giving the Grecian gargoyles who first emigrated to New Olympus a name at this point, as Greg has not assigned them one yet.

- You need to be more lenient with your accepted answers if you expect people to experience more fun than frustration while playing this. "Paris" should be enough to guess "Notre Dame," "Queen Florence Island" for "Liberty," "Ireland" for "Irish," "Guatemala" for "Mayan," etc. Answers like "Zafiro" and "Delilah" should be sufficient to grab their 2198 counterparts as well; it's not like 2198 is actually in their names after all. "ChaxIxChel" is rather difficult to spell; I would recommend including something like "pyramid" or "Mayan pyramid" as an alternate answer.

- Finally, your "places" category (which is far too generic of a name; I only figured out that it meant "places where Clans can be found" when I accidentally stumbled on "Castle Wyvern") is incomplete. To fit with your list of Clans, it should include locations such as Mount Thanatos, the Labyrinth, Loch Ness, etc.

This quiz shows potential, but you need to work these kinks out as soon as possible if it is to be truly enjoyable. Good luck!

Aldrius: Maol Chalvim can be guessed (and I'm guessing this is how you stumbled on him, which was my intention) by entering his historically more emphasized name: [SPOILER] Malcolm, which should also net you Prince Malcolm and Malcolm Canmore to boot [/SPOILER].
Masterdramon - [kmc12009 at mymail dot pomona dot edu]
"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss!" - Roger Daltrey of The Who
posted @ Wed, Aug 4, 2010 11:05:52 pm EDT from 72.130.246.18

Not sure how many of you are going to give The Ultimate Spider-Man a viewing, but Paul Dini will be involved with the show: http://splashpage.mtv.com/2010/08/04/paul-dini-ultimate-spider-man-animated-series/
Antiyonder - [antiyonder at yahoo dot com]
Algernon's comment about Norman Osborn: One of the neat things about Dark Reign is that it gives Osborn the chance to expand his horizons beyond tormenting a twenty nine year old who still lives with his mom.
posted @ Wed, Aug 4, 2010 11:05:47 pm EDT from 71.115.241.194

I just got 200 on the Characters Quiz. Oh yeah, I rule!
D. Taina - [<-- DeviantART]
"The story is told -- though who can say if it be true..." -Shari
posted @ Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:45:08 pm EDT from 206.248.80.242

Algernon>> the podcast is already up on iTunes.
Sir_Griff723@yahoo.com - [Sir_Griff723 at yahoo dot com]
"Authority should derive from the consent of the governed, not by the threat of force" Barbie in Toy Story 3--The only version of the character that I respect.
posted @ Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:18:32 pm EDT from 68.184.240.176

I have know finished writing a Gargoyle quiz on Sporcle. Please feel free to take it and give me some feedback. This is a quiz about naming Gargoyles, clans, and some places associated with the clans. Please note, I have included all canon-in-training characters and places. Hope you enjoy.

http://www.sporcle.com/games/carl006/clans
Adam - [carl006_1999 at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Wed, Aug 4, 2010 9:27:46 pm EDT from 24.118.35.68

PATRICK> Build another straw man, then ask me again ;)
Greg Bishansky - [<----- Make a real "Gargoyles" movie, Disney!]
Make a real "Gargoyles" movie, Disney!
posted @ Wed, Aug 4, 2010 8:39:18 pm EDT from 68.199.5.105

Greg B. > I don't have the comics memorized. Does that make me a bad fan?
Patrick
"A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men." - Willy Wonka
posted @ Wed, Aug 4, 2010 8:15:52 pm EDT from 173.88.135.205

GREG W> Missed the first few minutes of the podcast but enjoyed what I did hear, I just hope they put the full version up somewhere. I'm really looking forward to Young Justice. :)
Algernon
Make a REAL "Gargoyles" movie, Disney!
posted @ Wed, Aug 4, 2010 7:48:19 pm EDT from 86.41.105.139

Gargoyles sighting report. Bill Fagerbakke was in an episode of the sixth season of Grey's Anatomy. He played a veteran fire fighter with multiple traumatic injuries. Keith David and Hector Elizondo were also in this series.
gargoyleslady - [kendal dot renfro at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Wed, Aug 4, 2010 7:46:12 pm EDT from 75.38.14.216

"And lastly, Maol Chalvim, whose name I typed over and over and over and OVER--but apparently you NEED to put the "II" at the end of his name."

I got that somehow. I think maybe by typing in "Kenneth"?
Aldrius
posted @ Wed, Aug 4, 2010 7:02:28 pm EDT from 173.206.45.132

Meant to post this days ago at ASK GREG, but I forgot. I'm being interviewed for a live podcast at http://www.blogtalkradio.com/123-film TODAY at 4pm PDT, i.e. in less than half an hour. Sorry for the lack of warning...
Greg Weisman
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/123-film
posted @ Wed, Aug 4, 2010 6:36:53 pm EDT from 64.236.243.16

I've only read the first volume of clan building.
Ice - [lcetyrant at hotmail dot com]
posted @ Wed, Aug 4, 2010 6:11:36 pm EDT from 75.81.212.106

MATT> I am reminded of the 2008 Gathering when Greg asked the room who was reading the comics, and maybe half of the people in that room raised their hands. Actually, I think it was less than half.

Pretty disheartening moment.
Greg Bishansky - [<----- Make a real "Gargoyles" movie, Disney!]
Make a real "Gargoyles" movie, Disney!
posted @ Wed, Aug 4, 2010 6:05:50 pm EDT from 68.199.5.105

Matt> It could indicate that not as many people have read the comics, or it could just mean that fans haven't had years to pour over the comics and learn every detail the way they have with the TV show.
Demonskrye - [<---The Pebble and the Penguin at The Ink and Pixel Club]
posted @ Wed, Aug 4, 2010 5:35:39 pm EDT from 146.115.115.75

This reply is a bite late Jurgan, but yea, it was Final Fantasy IX.
Ice - [lcetyrant at hotmail dot com]
posted @ Wed, Aug 4, 2010 5:10:41 pm EDT from 75.81.212.106

Here's another interesting statistic. 80% of the 15 characters Masterdramon listed as missed most are only found in the comics. I think that is telling.
Matt - [ewoks11 at hotmail dot com]
"For science, which, as my associate Fang indicated, must move ever forward. Plus there's the money... and I do love the drama!" -Sevarius, 'Louse'
posted @ Wed, Aug 4, 2010 2:47:46 pm EDT from 76.217.239.172

Thought that people might be interested in a few statistics on the characters quiz, now that it's reached a fair 37 plays (the episodes one is holding steady at 46)...

- The only characters that have not been missed once are Goliath and Bronx. Yes, that means that at least one person did not enter Brooklyn, Broadway, Lexington, Hudson, Elisa, etc.

- Easily the most minor character to reach the Top 40: Jack Dane. No doubt the fact that entering "Jack" will give you him helped. XD

- Here are the Top 10 most-missed characters:

1. King Pelles (24.3%)
2. Jacob (29.7%)
3. Brother Valmont (32.4%)
4. Scota (32.4%)
5. Mariah Monmouth (35.1%)
6. Moses (35.1%)
7. Gathelus (35.1%)
8. Master Dawa (35.1%)
9. Sangpo (35.1%)
10. Quincy Hemings (35.1%)
11. Janus (35.1%)
12. Mr. Jaffe (35.1%)
13. Sleipnir (37.8%)
14. Bardolph (37.8%)
15. Cedric Harris (37.8%)

Some interesting stuff. Surprised more people didn't remember Valmont, though.
Masterdramon - [kmc12009 at mymail dot pomona dot edu]
"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss!" - Roger Daltrey of The Who
posted @ Wed, Aug 4, 2010 12:12:30 pm EDT from 72.130.246.18

154 out of 200 hundred. I am still kicking myself for getting every single gargate except Old Pog, when I even wrote a fanfic about Pog. ARRRGH. THat was fun...might take it again with other players making contributions.
Sir_Griff723@yahoo.com - [Sir_Griff723 at yahoo dot com]
"I feel so fresh and healthy...it's terrible!" Mr. Potato Head in Toy Story 3
posted @ Wed, Aug 4, 2010 2:37:10 am EDT from 68.184.240.176

Masterdramon: Oh yes, I've always known that all the characters I listed, and those like them would show up again in the Gargoyles-verse (given enough time and stories), but I just find it interesting that unlike the vast majority of characters pre-cartoon, we don't have any real context for more stories. i.e. We know Nokkar will reappear in 2198, but no idea or how, he or his three guides will show up again or not.
UncleDeadly
posted @ Wed, Aug 4, 2010 12:50:15 am EDT from 69.232.205.254

I just realized that last post sounded stupid. I use Malwarebytes. Thats the name of the program.

I had spyware on my computer while on my bike tour and if I didnt have that program I would have had to send my laptop home.
Lurker
posted @ Wed, Aug 4, 2010 12:38:31 am EDT from 99.64.67.57

Rebel> I use Malware to remove spyware and Avira is a decent free antivirus progam.
Lurker
posted @ Wed, Aug 4, 2010 12:35:54 am EDT from 99.64.67.57

Blaise: Alrighty, I added some of your misspellings as alternates, since I consider them all quite reasonable. And that Maol Chalvim thing is just embarassing on my part...'tis fixed now, though. My apologies.
Masterdramon - [kmc12009 at mymail dot pomona dot edu]
"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss!" - Roger Daltrey of The Who
posted @ Tue, Aug 3, 2010 11:50:38 pm EDT from 72.130.246.18

****A red envelope falls to the floor (where it fell from is any-body's guess). It then, without anyone touching in, opens its flap and begins to speak in Blaise's voice.**** Just posting my quiz results.

CHARACTER QUIZ> 189 out of 200. [SPOILER] Unlike most, I actually did remember Janus and most of the other humans. The only ones I didn't remember were Sangpo (got close though, I tried "Shangpo" or something), all the ones from Shari's stories (6 of those; I REALLY should have remembered Merlin), and I got Mail Brigti mixed up with his father, Ruaidri so I gave up on that. I missed Quincy Hemings and Sleipnir because I couldn't get the proper spelling. And lastly, Maol Chalvim, whose name I typed over and over and over and OVER--but apparently you NEED to put the "II" at the end of his name.
It's a good quiz...I just can't help but feel that things like the above (that lousy, frickin' "II") are a bit...arbitrary. [/SPOILER]

Until next time! ****The talking envelope bursts into flames and is soon no more than ashes.****
Blaise
posted @ Tue, Aug 3, 2010 11:19:37 pm EDT from 76.208.132.180

Looks like this quiz is pretty popular - Garg fans can't resist a challenge, it seems. To respond to a few of you specifically:

UncleDeadly: Considering that Max Loew is the guide of the Golem (one of Greg's "International Heroes"), Janus is his mentor, the Sturlusons are two of the only modern citizens of Norway who know of Odin's existence, Hiroshi is essentially Ishimura's Elisa, and Dr. Arnada is one of Nokkar's new guides to the modern world, I'm sure that all of them will reappear in due time in the canon.

Ed: I've added all of those as alternate answers now, as well as a few other misspellings that I think are reasonable.

Adam: Likewise.

Jurgan: Mail Brigti is Gillecomgain's father, and a close associate of Constantine's who later dies from Brother Valmont's rain of arrows.

And as for Maol Chalvim, you can get him (and several other characters as well) by typing in his more historically emphasized name, [SPOILER] Malcolm [/SPOILER].

Demonskrye: You're very welcome. Great work deserves recognition.

Greg X: Wow...you've now been to at least one Colbert and two Daily Shows? I am so intensely jealous now that I believe my blood is turning slightly green.

But I guess that's the disadvantage of living in Hawaii for years...not a lot of talk shows tape here, I'm afraid. XD
Masterdramon - [kmc12009 at mymail dot pomona dot edu]
"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss!" - Roger Daltrey of The Who
posted @ Tue, Aug 3, 2010 10:48:43 pm EDT from 72.130.246.18

Taurus, like the constellation and the car. No bull.
Patrick
"A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men." - Willy Wonka
posted @ Tue, Aug 3, 2010 10:25:31 pm EDT from 173.88.135.205

BOOM! Studios sells out Darkwing Duck #1, starts a 2nd printing and considers the same for issue #2: http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=27638 Disney Afternoon FTW!
Landon Thomas - [<- Gargoyles News Twitter feed]
posted @ Tue, Aug 3, 2010 10:10:04 pm EDT from 12.234.211.2

One nice shortcut was using the name [SPOILER] Hunter [/SPOILER] to get everyone who's ever been identified as such (except Macbeth, who doesn't really count). The same trick works for [SPOILER] Weird Sisters [/SPOILER].

I can't keep track of all these obscure Scots. I tried Maol Chavim with several spellings to no avail, but apparently Mail Brigti is on the list, and I don't even remember who that is. Also, how do you spell Tauros? I can't remember if I got that or not.
Jurgan - [jurgan6 at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Tue, Aug 3, 2010 9:45:59 pm EDT from 71.204.227.228

I got 185. Missed a lot of the new ones within the comics and several do to spelling errors. Gillecomgain, nor Gillcomgain. Findleach, not Findlach.
Adam - [carl006_1999 at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Tue, Aug 3, 2010 9:20:45 pm EDT from 24.118.35.68

BISHANSKY - Of course, it's been eight years since I asked that question; I must have forgotten it during that time.

I liked Greg's mention today that he'd have liked to build up an "Animated Marvel Universe" set of series from "The Spectacular Spider-Man". Pity that that won't come to pass now.
Todd Jensen
posted @ Tue, Aug 3, 2010 6:46:09 pm EDT from 4.244.214.246

Masterdramon> Thanks so much for the kind words about the Ink and Pixel Club. I really appreciate it.

I would love to go back and write more about Avatar: The Last Airbender at some point. Obviously I love that show and there are several episodes I would love to look at i depth beyond the on I did. It's just a matter of trying to keep a balance between revisiting animation I love and think deserves more time and covering animation I haven't talked about yet. Given enough time, I will almost certainly write more about Avatar.

Greg B> Sometimes the silly questions get the more fun answers. I'm glad you went with that.
Demonskrye - [<---The Pebble and the Penguin at The Ink and Pixel Club]
posted @ Tue, Aug 3, 2010 6:30:02 pm EDT from 146.115.115.75

So I took it again. Yes, I know that's cheating. But I wanted to see how I'd do. I got 197, missing only Sangpo, Arnada and Mail Brigti. I could remember all three characters, but couldn't remember their names. I feel a little better now, though of course there's no reason I should.
L.T. Williams
posted @ Tue, Aug 3, 2010 6:03:01 pm EDT from 71.93.81.240

Sorry for being off-topic guys, but does anyone know of a good internet forum full of computer whizzes who know all about getting rid of viruses, malware, and spyware? My computer is massively infected and I'm not sure what to do. I've run some scans with several programs that identified some issues and I promptly deleted the infected files, but it appears that my computer is still affected.
Gargoyles Movie - [Rebel (trying to help with Google bombing)]
posted @ Tue, Aug 3, 2010 4:30:50 pm EDT from 69.134.199.200

143. My most glaring omission was [SPOILER] King Arthur. A few other near misses -- I put in Eggwardo but it's Egwardo, I put Selene instead of Seline (is it really Seline?), the Loch Ness Monster instead of Nessie [/SPOILER]. Great quiz, Masterdramon.
Ed
posted @ Tue, Aug 3, 2010 3:13:11 pm EDT from 87.86.55.65

I forgot my quiz score. But the characters I have the hardest time with are the humans who appeared in one episode of the world tour and then have never been referenced (as far as I can tell) in Greg's plans for the future. the Lowes, Janus, Erik and Gunther, Hiroshi, Dr Arnada.

There have been times I've thought about dropping questions to Ask Greg asking Greg for any info of how these characters would continue to be important, but I assume "No Comment" or "Wont say at this time" would be the reply.

Otherwise, awesome quizzes.
UncleDeadly
posted @ Tue, Aug 3, 2010 3:05:59 pm EDT from 128.114.248.245

JURGAN> Yep, Jon Stewart has a goatee now. I think it looks good. His wife, apparently, loves it.

I even asked a question during the Q&A. I was thinking of something hard and political, and then I asked something stupid, instead:

‎"If The Daily Show were a horror movie, who'd survive?"

Jon: Wyatt is black so he'd die first. Before the opening credits, actually. Samantha Bee and Jason Jones would die next because they'd be fucking and the killers don't like that. Next... would be Aasif Mandvi because he's brown. Finally it would be me and John Oliver, and everyone would naturally think I was the killer, but Oliver would survive because he'd be the actual killer. I've given this a ton of thought, as you see.
Greg Bishansky - [<----- Make a real "Gargoyles" movie, Disney!]
Make a real "Gargoyles" movie, Disney!
posted @ Tue, Aug 3, 2010 2:33:15 pm EDT from 68.199.5.105

Tough quiz- I only managed 123. I've never been much good with names, anyway. Most of the ones I missed were from the comics- there were a lot of walk-on characters that we don't really know very well. But some I really should have known, like most of Macbeth's family- for some reason my brain just wouldn't go there. And Bluestone! I played him at the radio play and yet I still didn't think of him. Ah, well...
Jurgan - [jurgan6 at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Tue, Aug 3, 2010 12:54:36 pm EDT from 155.225.212.196

TODD> <<I think it possible that some decades into the future, as the public find out more about gargoyles, the Quarrymen might become a step closer to their "Goliath Chronicles" counterparts, at least in the sense that the ordinary frightened citizens might be convinced enough that the gargoyles are not a threat that they would see no reason to belong to the organization, leaving only the diehards.>>

I find it interesting that you'd day that, considering you once asked this question and got this answer.

http://s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=7441

This has been my Spen impression ;)
Greg Bishansky - [<----- Make a real "Gargoyles" movie, Disney!]
Make a real "Gargoyles" movie, Disney!
posted @ Tue, Aug 3, 2010 12:52:50 pm EDT from 68.199.5.105

Thanks to everyone who's tried the characters quiz so far! Looks like poor forgotten Janus isn't doing so hot amongst the fans. XD

Demonskrye: Since I haven't had the occasion to before now, I'd just like to take this opportunity to note that The Ink and Pixel Club is easily my favorite blog-esque site on the internet right now. The depth to which you cover every single piece of animation that you review is simply amazing, with balanced, detailed coverage of every conceivable aspect of each work used to analyze exactly why it either does or doesn't excel at reaching its audience. In a world where genuine praise has largely been overtaken by fanboyish raving and genuine criticism by immaturely negative ranting, your site is a breath of fresh air for someone looking to delve deeper into just what kind of medium animation is - both the ups and the downs.

Your most recent review, which I just looked over, is a great example of this. "The Pebble and the Penguin" is, in all likelihood, an abysmal film (though I can't be 100% sure as I've never watched it and pretty much certainly never will)...but instead of mindlessly bashing it for entertainment value, you developed a lengthy discussion of just where the filmmakers went wrong with the characters, plot, music, etc., giving limited praise where it is due and otherwise explaining thoroughly just why this was not a well put-together movie.

I believe that my favorite article to date is your extremely thorough analysis of "The Blind Bandit," which so well manages to capture in text just what makes Avatar: The Last Airbender such a unique and enjoyable show. I don't know if you're particularly in the habit of doing follow-ups to your always superb "Why I Love Animation" articles (if you'd prefer to let them stand alone, I completely understand), but that's one that I would absolutely die to see a sequel to. Particularly if the episode in question was from the latter half of Season 3, when the storytelling structure changed significantly as the epic neared its magnificent conclusion.

Anyway, all flattery aside, I just want to thank you for sharing these delightful musings with the internet community. We fellow animation enthusiasts appreciate it tremendously.
Masterdramon - [kmc12009 at mymail dot pomona dot edu]
"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss!" - Roger Daltrey of The Who
posted @ Tue, Aug 3, 2010 12:43:31 pm EDT from 72.130.246.18

I tried the new quiz, but I got distracted by other things and forgot to note my score before closing the window. I think I was in the 120 range? I'm going to give it a second try, just for fun, and see if I remember more.
Demonskrye - [<---The Pebble and the Penguin at The Ink and Pixel Club]
posted @ Tue, Aug 3, 2010 12:07:10 pm EDT from 146.115.115.75

I got 180/200 on the test. With a couple of seconds more I would have got [SPOILER] Terry, Tri and Ambassador Chung [/SPOILER] too. The one I wasted most time on was [SPOILER] William Greene [/SPOILER] because I couldn't remember his first name and I kept spelling his surname wrong.

Most annoying, though, I missed [SPOILER] Duval, Blanchefleur and Peredur [/SPOILER]. More time, more time.
Supermorff
posted @ Tue, Aug 3, 2010 11:12:18 am EDT from 62.25.109.195

MASTERDRAMON - I knew that the new head of the production team, Eric Lewald, had worked on the animated "X-Men" series, which helped lead me to the same suspicion that he might have been thinking of the gargoyles' plight in terms of the X-Men's. (Besides the abandonment issue, I can't help suspecting that Creed's parents being both notorious mutant super-villains couldn't have helped mtters.)

And that is a sad note about Len Wein's role in inflicting E--n P-x upon the world.
Todd Jensen
posted @ Tue, Aug 3, 2010 10:11:51 am EDT from 198.209.226.130

Todd: The existence of mutants had been public knowledge for a fair while before the Friends of Humanity cropped up; its founder, Graydon Creed, was in large part motivated by his hatred of his mutant parents (Sabretooth and Mystique), who abandoned him after birth.

And given that, if I remember correctly, TGC utlized several key members of the X-Men: The Animated Series writing staff in its own production team, I think that it is indeed very likely that those same writers used anti-mutant sentiment as a baseline for constructing the public's reaction to gargoyles, given the surface similarities between the themes of the two shows. They were extremely short on time and so such shortcuts allowed them to bypass the copious amounts of research that would otherwise be required to understand the Gargoyles Universe. And unfortunately, quality suffered tremendously.

Interesting (though rather off-putting) fact that I learned while delving into connections between TGC and X-Men: apparently notorious stinker "...To Serve Mankind" was penned by Len Wein, co-creator of such characters as Swamp Thing and Wolverine, writer of the 1970s series that revived the X-Men from relative obscurity, and editor of Watchmen.

Yeah...take from that what you will.
Masterdramon - [kmc12009 at mymail dot pomona dot edu]
"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss!" - Roger Daltrey of The Who
posted @ Tue, Aug 3, 2010 9:05:33 am EDT from 72.130.246.18

I've sometimes wondered whether much of the portrayal of the Quarrymen in "The Goliath Chronicles" might have stemmed from the new production team thinking of them too much in terms of, say, the Friends of Humanity in "X-Men". A hate group acting against a minority which has been known about for years (apparently - I'm not enough of a Marvel Comics expert to know how soon after mutants became public knowledge the Friends of Humanity were formed).

What I think the new production team had overlooked (at least, most of the time) was that the gargoyles had just been revealed to the world. All that the general public knows about them is that they're living gargoyles and seem dangerous. From their perspective, it's not a minority family moving into the neighborhood; it's an eruption of strange and frightening creatures. So at this point, a lot of people will be feeling terrified and vulnerable - and banding together might seem the one certain way of protecting themselves.

I think it possible that some decades into the future, as the public find out more about gargoyles, the Quarrymen might become a step closer to their "Goliath Chronicles" counterparts, at least in the sense that the ordinary frightened citizens might be convinced enough that the gargoyles are not a threat that they would see no reason to belong to the organization, leaving only the diehards. (Not that I see said citizens as accepting the gargoyles; it could be more an attitude of "We still think they're creepy, but they could be useful in keeping nocturnal crime at bay, and can't handle muggers or burglars if they're locked away in cages somewhere".) Though even then, I think that Castaway and his successors would keep the Quarrymen from going to "Goliath Chronicles" extremes.

If the new production team *were* thinking of the gargoyles in terms of, say, mutants in "X-Men", that might also explain their assumption that everyone would know that the gargoyles were intelligent beings and not mere savage beasts.
Todd Jensen
posted @ Tue, Aug 3, 2010 7:51:03 am EDT from 4.244.209.156

One-fourteen (114) out of two-hundred. Eh. Most of the misfires were from "City of Stone", "Avalon pt. 1" (Constantine! I've just remembered.), and the world tour. I'd like to take the test again in half a years time to see how better (or worse!) I fare. Thanks for the test, Masterdramon.
Ian Perez - [doknowbutchie at gmail dot com]
posted @ Tue, Aug 3, 2010 7:46:01 am EDT from 173.211.181.228

158 out of 200. *shrugs*
Matt - [ewoks11 at hotmail dot com]
"For science, which, as my associate Fang indicated, must move ever forward. Plus there's the money... and I do love the drama!" -Sevarius, 'Louse'
posted @ Tue, Aug 3, 2010 7:23:20 am EDT from 76.217.239.172

132/200 got stuck on the humans
VickyUK - [vickyfanofwwe at aol dot com]
posted @ Tue, Aug 3, 2010 7:22:45 am EDT from 195.93.21.10

Got 145 out of 200.

As far as Demona and the Quarrymen are concerned, I think even she has limits. But then again, one of her favorite weapons is a mace, so who knows?

However, we've seen that she usually discreetly hires other humans to assist her in some of her more illegal tasks. But I wouldn't expect the TGC staff to remember something like that.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75 at gmail dot com]
"If your heart does cease to speak, my fingernail choir will make your chalkboard sing." -The Mars Volta ("Luciforms")
posted @ Tue, Aug 3, 2010 6:48:31 am EDT from 76.27.173.29

Thanks for the feedback, guys! And I must say, Greg X, that is quite an impressive first run.

Re: Morwood-Smyth, let me double-check that...

>consults the Wiki<

...Apparently you are indeed correct. I will change the quiz accordingly. XD

Re: Lady of the Lake, it's giving it to me right now, so I'm not sure what the issue was. Are you sure you didn't make a typo?
Masterdramon - [kmc12009 at mymail dot pomona dot edu]
"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss!" - Roger Daltrey of The Who
posted @ Tue, Aug 3, 2010 3:59:12 am EDT from 72.130.246.18

165 out of 200. My most embarrassing omission: Angela.
L.T. Williams
posted @ Tue, Aug 3, 2010 3:31:10 am EDT from 71.93.81.240

Masterdramon> Nice quiz. All I missed were:

Arthur Morwood-Smith (BTW, it's Smyth... and that's the only reason why I missed it, because I typed in his name).
Martin Hacker (which I am kicking myself for)
Ian Roebling
Janus
Lady of the Lake (another one I typed in, but the quiz wouldn't accept for some reason)
Sleipnir
Talos
Jacob
Gathelus
Bardolph

Still, 190 out of 200 isn't bad.
Greg Bishansky - [<----- Make a real "Gargoyles" movie, Disney!]
Make a real "Gargoyles" movie, Disney!
posted @ Tue, Aug 3, 2010 3:24:43 am EDT from 68.199.5.105

Hey all! Just finished up the final touches on the Gargoyles character quiz! Be warned: this is a gruelling, 20-minute marathon featuring a grand total of 200 characters, many of them somewhat obscure. Should be the ultimate test for any true Gargoyles trivia nut:

http://www.sporcle.com/games/Masterdramon/gargoyles_characters

Most characters can be guessed through both their last name and their first name, as well as any applicable pseudonyms. Guessing a name or psuedonym shared by multiple characters (for example, [SPOILER] Maza or Xanatos [/SPOILER]) will net you all of them at once.

Please give me your thoughts after playing, and let me know if I missed anyone!

(Note: Sporcle only allows for 200 answers per quiz, so for space reasons I intentionally cut out many of the incidental characters from Shari's stories, as well as nameless gargoyles like "Sacrifice" and "True.")
Masterdramon - [kmc12009 at mymail dot pomona dot edu]
"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss!" - Roger Daltrey of The Who
posted @ Tue, Aug 3, 2010 2:55:49 am EDT from 72.130.246.18

Hello kinsmen. Its been far to long sense I've been here; I am trying to get back in touch with Gathering friends. I've just working an ungodly amount the last years,trying to survive the heat (I work in a welding plant where its its 15-20 degree's hotter on the inside!)

Anyway, I hope everyone is doing fine. Last time I was here, I believe Phoenician asked me about my Phoenix Gate? I think you were one of the two I had that photo taken with our respective gates? Anyway, still love it.
Ive been wanting to post photo's of it, and my gathering stuff. As well as some of my Gathering videos, namely the Masquerade.
Justin "I'd Rather Be Pillaging" - [darkmage04 at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Mon, Aug 2, 2010 11:36:49 pm EDT from 76.29.2.195

BISHANSKY - Probably yet another example of the writers for "The Goliath Chronicles" not understanding what the Quarrymen were, and treating them as just the "big bad" for the series and nothing more.
Todd Jensen
posted @ Mon, Aug 2, 2010 10:32:34 pm EDT from 4.244.215.124

Got a question I want to ask Greg W. but I am going to run it through here first. I would like to ask why Greg hasn't said anything about Brookly and Katana's potential third child (just kidding, I know he wouldn't answer that). Actually, I have a couple of questions about Knight's Spur. We know that Knight's Spur is a large home with a lot of land around it. But do the members of the London clan feel safe spending the day in the woods? I know it is private land, but people do trespass. I wonder if the leader (both Una and past leaders) have a policy about members of the clan spending the day at Knight's Spur? Also, Greg has said that humans work at the Into the Mystic shop, but do any of the humans live with the clan at Knight's Sput. Let me know if these are some questions worth asking Greg. Thanks.
Adam - [carl006_1999 at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Mon, Aug 2, 2010 10:17:05 pm EDT from 24.118.35.68

JURGAN> <<Did the Quarreymen ally with her? She was only in one TGC episode, but I'm pretty sure they were planning to betray her from the very beginning.>>

Yup, they did. Which goes against the entire notion of what the Quarrymen are. Ordinary people frightened of the beasts, monsters, and demons. Not to mention the demon killed Castaway's father. I just don't buy it.
Greg Bishansky - [<----- Make a real "Gargoyles" movie, Disney!]
Make a real "Gargoyles" movie, Disney!
posted @ Mon, Aug 2, 2010 9:48:20 pm EDT from 68.199.5.105

"In his future tense ramble, Greg mentioned that today's S&P would balk at the notion of someone dying like Broadway, so I gotta wonder, what's it like dealing with S&P now, especially considering that Greg plans for a character to die in his Young Justice show?"It really depends. The recent "Ninja Turtles" series managed to have its own "Future Tense"-type episode, complete with a character death similar to Broadway's, and by its fifth season, the series was arguably more violent than "Gargoyles"--and yet the writers couldn't quite manage to freely say "kill" or "die", and couldn't show any blood. The whole thing can be quite inconsistent. Still, whatever the standard Greg ends up operating under, I'm sure he'll find the best way to deal with them.

Also, a plug: new review of "Her Brother's Keeper" up at my blog. Follow the link at my name or just copy/paste:

http://nymonsters.wordpress.com/2010/08/02/sibling-friction-her-brothers-keeper/
Ian Perez - [doknowbutchie at gmail dot com]
posted @ Mon, Aug 2, 2010 5:05:05 pm EDT from 64.213.115.164

I think the last real human ally Demona had was Macbeth. She's still happy to work with humans when it suits her, but I don't think she sees them as anything more then pawns to be manipulated the disposed of once they've outlived their usefulness. I've no doubt she would have betrayed Canmore if he hadn't beaten her to it, or that she planned to turn on Xanatos from day one, or that she would have put a laser blast in Fang's back once Goliath and co. were all dead.
Algernon
Make a REAL "Gargoyles" movie, Disney!
posted @ Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:58:40 pm EDT from 86.41.108.241

Did the Quarreymen ally with her? She was only in one TGC episode, but I'm pretty sure they were planning to betray her from the very beginning.

P.S. Jon Stewart really has a goatee now? I haven't seen it, and I'm kind of afraid to. It sounds really strange...
Jurgan - [jurgan6 at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:38:40 pm EDT from 71.204.227.228

Currently standing on line for The Daily Show. Gonna be a long wait so I thought I'd check in.

Demona allying herself with the Quarrymen never much bothered me. I thought that was in character and there is canon precedent. What DID bother me was the Quarrymen allying with her. I do not believe for a minute that Castaway would ally with the demon. The demon killed his father, after all.

Heh. very long line here. Jon Stewart, I luv ya man.
Greg Bishansky
posted @ Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:27:50 pm EDT from 69.78.131.230

Izu: Interesting thought. By any chance was the game Final Fantasy IX?
Jurgan - [jurgan6 at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:39:28 pm EDT from 71.204.227.228

I think you're right, Rebel, which is why I call it one of the most irrational (hell, downright suicidal) decisions from someone who's not very rational at the best of times. But then that leaves open the question of what it would take to get her to ally with another human. Would she have to simply be overwhelmed by emotion?
Jurgan - [jurgan6 at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:38:24 pm EDT from 71.204.227.228

Woah. I think I finally get what Hudson was saying in Gargoyles about names. Before I just figured he was being silly so Greg could do that cool name thing. But I was playing this game with this chick who is a princess, but she changes her name to something else early on for a certain reason, and actually ends up having a different real name then what was originally thought. I started thinking "Whatever, the alias was just an alias, and her second name was her real name anyw-" and then bam, all of the sudden I realized that names are just something we added on to ourselves, like how Time isn't real, we made up the whole "Oh, it's 11:40 PM" stuff, we just tried to name as much of time as possible with numbers and such
I just needed to get that out, and none of my friends are really into Gargoyles.
Izu - [lcetyrant at hotmail dot com]
posted @ Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:37:18 pm EDT from 75.81.212.106

Jurgan > She may not have teamed up with Canmore because she felt he would have a change of heart regarding Gargoyles. I suspect the main reason why she teamed up with him rather than just taking her clan into hiding was because she felt that MacBeth had betrayed her, and she wanted to betray him back. Teaming up with MacBeth's enemy would be a greater betrayal than mere desertion. She wanted to give him a taste of his own medicine.
Gargoyles Movie - [Rebel (trying to help with Google bombing)]
posted @ Mon, Aug 2, 2010 1:22:07 pm EDT from 69.134.199.200

It's always a question of how far Demona will work with humans to achieve her ultimate ends- sometimes she will, and sometimes she won't. A lot of people criticized Demona in The Goliath Chronicles for teaming up with Quarreymen (and an ill-defined assassin who may or may not have been a card-carrying Q-Man), but there was a precedent. Demona joined Canmore, who was loudly proclaiming that all gargoyles should be destroyed, just to spite Macbeth. That was certainly one of her most irrational decisions (and that's saying something). Why didn't she just lead her clan to hide in the wilderness and let Macbeth and Canmore wear themselves out fighting one another? Did she think Canmore would continue hunting her kind down after he dealt with Macbeth, and by joining forces he could convince her to spare them? If so, that was unusually naive of her.
Jurgan - [jurgan6 at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Mon, Aug 2, 2010 12:57:12 pm EDT from 155.225.212.196

Fang was a human given gargoyle-like characteristics. And Demona recruited his help in her war on the Manhattan Clan. I doubt she trusted him, liked him or would've kept him at her side forever, but I also doubt she would've recruited him at all if he had looked like an ordinary human.
Matt - [ewoks11 at hotmail dot com]
"For science, which, as my associate Fang indicated, must move ever forward. Plus there's the money... and I do love the drama!" -Sevarius, 'Louse'
posted @ Mon, Aug 2, 2010 11:08:51 am EDT from 76.217.239.172

I don't think she'd consider such creatures gargoyles either (while they're given "gargoyle-like" characteristics in "The Scourge", they're clearly a different set of "gargoyles" from those in the animated series - though it's also indicated from the previews and interviews with the writer that the infected humans change mentally as well as physically).

Incidentally, I was pleasantly surprised to see one comment on an article about "The Scourge" saying "Sounds like an evil version of these guys", followed by a poster of one of the covers to the "Gargoyles" comic book series, showing Goliath and his clan awakening from their stone sleep. Almost as much a delight as all the comments on Disney's proposed gargoyle movie of "Why don't they make it based on the series?" from a few weeks ago.
Todd Jensen
posted @ Mon, Aug 2, 2010 8:57:42 am EDT from 4.244.208.194

Todd: I doubt Demona would even consider such creatures to be gargoyles. We saw she didn't really consider the transformed humans in The Mirror to be true gargoyles, and in this case I couldn't blame her. If we saw apes catch a disease that made them lose all their fur, walk upright, and madly attack others of their species, we wouldn't consider them humans (we might use the word "humanoid"). Basically, you're talking about zombies, or possibly vampires depending on intelligence level. I think Demona would simply see it as a convenient way to kill off humans- sit back and let them do the work. On the other hand, if she has more foresight, she might realize that this new species might be just as bad. She won't consider them gargoyles, but she might not consider them humans either, and consider trying to ally with them to help wipe out the rest of humanity. I think she'd still think of them as humans- she seems to think what you are is the most important thing (human or gargoyle, that is, as opposed to who you are personally), and she doesn't see such a thing as a fundamental change. She still considers herself a gargoyle, after all.

Greg B: Happy to do it. It'd be nice, though, if you'd check your own blog occasionally. I've tried to start conversations in the comments a few times and never gotten a response. Just a suggestion.
Jurgan - [jurgan6 at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Mon, Aug 2, 2010 8:28:51 am EDT from 71.204.227.228

Congrats to the pervs at Blue Mug for starting issue 3 of "Last Tengu in Paris"! http://www.bluemugproductions.com/
Landon Thomas - [<- Gargoyles News Twitter feed]
posted @ Mon, Aug 2, 2010 8:27:50 am EDT from 12.234.211.2

Masterdramon> I think Gargate works well enough. You can just say "her DNA is 90% gargate". Don't need to say gargolean or whatnot. We don't say "her DNA is also 10% humanean" afterall.

And 10% is a lot of human DNA just for cosmetic appearance (and voice apparently), but much of that DNA is probably similiar or identical to gargate DNA anyway.

Grief> I think it would've been difficult to show this. I mean someone would've needed to wounded in such a serious way as to make it life threatening, but not to actually die. And Jurgan makes a great point about what happens after Anubis is released. Does the wound heal then or does the victim only succumb after that point?
From the episode itself we see that Anubis can't and/or won't bring someone back from the dead, but he can rechannel life energies. Thus he was able to move Hyena, Wolf, Goliath, Angela, Bronx and Elisa to the correct ages because they were still alive. I think it might've been cool if one of the travelers (maybe Elisa or Angela) was seriously injured in the fight and would've died had not Anubis not been trapped. At the end of the episode, Anubis heals the wound just as he re-ages everyone else. Just a thought.

And for the record, it seems Anubis isn't so much in control of life and death as he is in control of time. He managed to kill Coyote, who isn't alive just by making him rot to dust and the cars and the town and all that shouldn't be able to "die". Anubis just pushed them into decay. Anubis seems to be able to move things forward and backward in time to some extent. Of course, this same thing happened to all the aged characters too.
Matt - [ewoks11 at hotmail dot com]
"For science, which, as my associate Fang indicated, must move ever forward. Plus there's the money... and I do love the drama!" -Sevarius, 'Louse'
posted @ Mon, Aug 2, 2010 8:06:58 am EDT from 76.217.239.172

A few weeks ago, I mentioned coming across an upcoming comic book series or mini-series (I'm not sure which) called "The Scourge", in which Manhattan is overrun by a plague that mutates humans into gargoyle-like creatures, which then run about trying to infect others with the plague in order to increase their numbers (the transformation is as much mental as physical). It's easy to imagine what Goliath and his clan would think of such a comic book series if it came out in the Gargoyles Universe, or what Castaway would think of it. But I wonder how Demona would respond to the concept.

Obviously, judging from "The Mirror", Demona doesn't want to see humans turned into gargoyles (her indignant words to Puck about it show that she'd see it as an undeserved promotion). At the same time, I wonder if she'd find some amusement in the spectacle of humans being metamorphosed into something else, now hostile towards humanity (or at least, bent on turning uninfected humans into creatures like themselves who would no longer be human), wiping themselves out (in a sense) in a violent rampage.
Todd Jensen
posted @ Mon, Aug 2, 2010 7:28:41 am EDT from 4.244.208.10

10th. Just made it.
Adam - [carl006_1999 at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Mon, Aug 2, 2010 6:52:42 am EDT from 24.118.35.68

(9th)Ninth!!!!!!!!!
Vinnie - [tpeano29 at hotmail dot com]
posted @ Mon, Aug 2, 2010 6:26:45 am EDT from 69.54.208.52

8th
Sir_Griff723@yahoo.com - [Sir_Griff723 at yahoo dot com]
"I am the terror, that flaps in the night"--Darkwing Duck
posted @ Mon, Aug 2, 2010 4:56:32 am EDT from 68.184.240.176

7th
VickyUK - [vickyfanofwwe at aol dot com]
posted @ Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:57:01 am EDT from 195.93.21.10

Sixth in the name of starting a new job tomorrow! Which means time for bed d:
Phoenician
"The suspense is terrible, I hope it lasts" -- Willy Wonka
posted @ Mon, Aug 2, 2010 1:40:01 am EDT from 70.190.58.163

Daniel: Yes, that is indeed who I am talking about. [SPOILER] Jet's [/SPOILER] death was quite possibly the best-written one I've ever seen in Western animation, if simply for its subtlety. It's one of the main reasons why "Lake Laogai" is one of my single favorite episodes of the entire series.

Speaking of which, were any fellow Gargoyles/Avatar fans reminded of the Magus' death in that scene? Both cases feature [SPOILER] a largely unsympathetic character from Season 1 returning in Season 2 just long enough to change virtually the entire fandom's opinion of them before dying via heroic sacrifice [/SPOILER].
Masterdramon - [kmc12009 at mymail dot pomona dot edu]
"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss!" - Roger Daltrey of The Who
posted @ Mon, Aug 2, 2010 1:31:30 am EDT from 72.130.246.18

JURGAN> Interesting take on it. Definitely a point I've never mulled over. Hmmm.

And btw, thanks for sharing my post. I'm flattered.

Oh, I was wondering, are you still interested in writing up the GargWiki entry on Demona and Macbeth's link? Because, as far as I'm concerned, the entry is yours to write whenever you want.
Greg Bishansky - [<----- Make a real "Gargoyles" movie, Disney!]
Make a real "Gargoyles" movie, Disney!
posted @ Mon, Aug 2, 2010 1:16:13 am EDT from 68.199.5.105

Great, now I'm going to have nightmares about a spider-head Goliath. XD
Daniel B
"Weeping may endure for a night, but joy cometh in the morning." (Psalms 30:5)
posted @ Mon, Aug 2, 2010 1:13:54 am EDT from 24.254.162.166

That's really interesting. I hope they give Greg enough leeway for his work. I could ask Greg about his S&P person for Young Justice when I wake up...but... I think I'll enjoy being surprised when the episodes air more-so. ;)

Oh yeah, I also remember in Avatar when [SPOILER] Right after Zuko joined Katara basically said that she'd kill Zuko if he even hinted at betraying them. That along with Combustion-man dying in the same episode. [/SPOILER] Good stuff. Can't wait for the new series. :D

By the way, in your spoilers, are you talking about [SPOILER] Jet? [/SPOILER] That's the only one I can think about right now.
Daniel B
"Weeping may endure for a night, but joy cometh in the morning." (Psalms 30:5)
posted @ Mon, Aug 2, 2010 1:11:01 am EDT from 24.254.162.166

I've had a thought about "Grief" for a while, and the alternate version of the story Greg wishes he'd told, so I just submitted a comment to Ask Greg. I'll post it here also, in case anyone wants to discuss:

"Not a question so much as a comment. You've said several times you think you missed a bet in "Grief-" namely, that Coyote should have killed the travelers, to show that death was impossible with Anubis locked up. I may be in the minority on this, but I prefer the story we got to this alternate version.

First of all, it would reopen the Highlander-esque questions that you get regarding Demona and Macbeth. So, Angela's shot through the heart but doesn't die- when Anubis is freed, is the wound still there? If so, would the wound then kill her? If Goliath were decapitated, would the head still talk, or would it sprout spider legs and walk back to him (sorry, I just watched The Thing the other night- incidentally, Keith making a surprise appearance in a movie is something that always makes me smile)? I imagine that, if only for S&P reasons, the death would simply be through bloodless laser beams (sorry, "particle beams") and the issue wouldn't have come up, but it's still confusing.

The bigger point, though, is that it cheapens the characters' abilities. I've read most of the Lee/Ditko and Lee/Romita Spider-Man comics, and while they're great stories, one thing that always bothered me was how supervillains always let Spidey live. Typically, a new villain would dominate the wallcrawler and then arrogantly announce "I don't need to kill Spider-Man- I can beat him any time I want!" I don't have a count, but I really think this happened dozens of times in the Silver Age. I could understand if the villain had a reason to run, like Doc Ock's power running low in your show, but most of the time they just seemed stupid, since of course Spidey trounced them next time. The point is that it seemed like he was surviving more through luck than any particular skill. Likewise, our gargoyles have survived countless battles because of their own abilities. To say that they finally lose- but it doesn't count because, for this one day, they can't die, seems to cheapen their earlier successes. It feels like the only reason they're winning is because the writers want them to win, and if they get in big trouble, a deus ex machina twist will save them. The show starts to feel artificial, and I wonder if these characters are really that special, or if they're just the designated heroes.

Now, of course, this is hypothetical. It's possible that, if I'd seen the episode the way you envision, I would have loved it. But as it is, it's kind of hard for me to imagine it working. Just something to chew on."
Jurgan - [jurgan6 at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Mon, Aug 2, 2010 1:07:55 am EDT from 71.204.227.228

Daniel: Well, it depends on the S+P executive; some are extremely understanding of context and dramatic effect, while others...not so much. But the one on Spectacular Spidey evidently allowed Greg to use the word "murdered," and Batman: The Brave and the Bold (which airs on the same network as Young Justice will) is allowed to show violence and use words like "kill" and "die" quite liberally.

And even when things can't be done or said explicitly, a good writer can still get them across quite vividly; Hell, the writers of "Avatar: The Last Airbender" managed to depict [SPOILER] the on-screen murder of a teenager by an older man, cleverly crafting the scene so that while the actual death wasn't explicit, any older viewers would immediately understand what happened [/SPOILER].

As for the Delilah query, Greg has stated in the past that her DNA is approximately 90% gargatian (do we have a proper adjective form of "gargate," or will this do for now?) and that she is definitely capable of laying a gargoyle egg. Beyond that (and the fact that she experiences stone sleep), we don't know a whole lot of how her genetic makeup actually breaks down. Elisa's aspects appear to be entirely aesthetic on the surface, but 10% is quite a lot in DNA terms and so there may be some side-effects that are not so immediately obvious.

It certainly does interest me...though not [I}quite[/I] as much as it clearly interests Sevarius.
Masterdramon - [kmc12009 at mymail dot pomona dot edu]
"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss!" - Roger Daltrey of The Who
posted @ Mon, Aug 2, 2010 12:59:54 am EDT from 72.130.246.18

My number is the number of unique base-pairs in DNA. :D

In the quiz...I....uh...got...well....you see....^^;...I've only gone through the whole show once and...I mean...I'll do better on the characters I promise! -__- (i.e. mind freeze)

ANYWAY, I was just wonder about something I was thinking about asking Greg. In his future tense ramble, Greg mentioned that today's S&P would balk at the notion of someone dying like Broadway, so I gotta wonder, what's it like dealing with S&P now, especially considering that Greg plans for a character to die in his Young Justice show?

Lastly, one final question for the room that I'm sure has already been covered: Since Delilah is mostly gargoyle DNA, she lays eggs like any other gargoyle, right? Does the human DNA effect her in any way other than her appearance?
Daniel B
"Weeping may endure for a night, but joy cometh in the morning." (Psalms 30:5)
posted @ Mon, Aug 2, 2010 12:07:06 am EDT from 24.254.162.166

Meh, I'll take third.
Jurgan - [jurgan6 at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Mon, Aug 2, 2010 12:04:50 am EDT from 71.204.227.228

2nd! I really need to be getting to bed...
Jurgan - [jurgan6 at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Mon, Aug 2, 2010 12:04:28 am EDT from 71.204.227.228

Yay, my first countdown! XD

Second is claim'd loud and clear.
Masterdramon - [kmc12009 at mymail dot pomona dot edu]
"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss!" - Roger Daltrey of The Who
posted @ Mon, Aug 2, 2010 12:03:57 am EDT from 72.130.246.18

I would also like to take out the second "from." I guess I should have proofread my comment.
Lurker
posted @ Mon, Aug 2, 2010 12:00:58 am EDT from 99.64.67.57

Im back from my three month long bicycle trip from around the country to claim FIRST!
Lurker
posted @ Mon, Aug 2, 2010 12:00:06 am EDT from 99.64.67.57