Comment Room Archive : Gargoyles : Station Eight

Antiyonder: I kept kicking Marvelman's post because he was asking questions about multiple unrelated subjects ("Young Justice" and Greg's opinions on "Paradise Lost"). Which, yes, could be spelled out better in the guidelines.

Arlo: If you've got suggestions for better ways to run the question-asking service, feel free to e-mail them to Gorebash.
Masterdramon - [kmc12009@mymail.pomona.edu]
"'Round, 'round, 'round, 'round, I get around..." - The Beach Boys
posted @ Sat, Mar 10, 2012 6:02:22 pm EST from 68.32.165.95

Not trying to criticize, but one of the problems I've had is that even with search, I've often had a hard time finding specific questions, partly because I think the search programming could be improved, but also because of how some people put more than one question together, as you said. I think if you added basic tagging support as well as improved search functionality, that would make it a lot easier to find the answers, both for the askers and for the volunteer Ask Greg Helpers.

Also, since we know people are going to ask multiple questions anyway, why not give them the option to do so right on the question submission page? Have something like "Ask another question" right below where they're typing, and when the user clicks on it, have another form appear right below for them to enter their second question in, and so on. Then maybe add some logic so that if it looks like their text is long, or they have numerous question marks, make something appear on the right reminding them to ask it as a separate question. Maybe have some other logic to remind them not to ask spoilers. It's not as complicated as it sounds. I'm sure I could code something like that relatively easily in Javascript.

Then, if you gave each question a title besides just text, I think the search feature would have an easier time of finding the questions people were looking for. This wouldn't solve all the problems, but I think it would reduce the number of duplicate questions and spoiler requests considerably.
Arlo
Gargoyles need not apply.
posted @ Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:38:18 pm EST from 71.250.204.229

Masterdramon> If I may put my two cents on the matter in, I think the problem is that the No Spoiler rule isn't present on here: http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/index.php#guidelines

Heck, when Marvelman was resubmitting his questions for a third time: http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=14730

He mentions making sure that his questions weren't story ideas, story ideas being given as questions or employment requests.

So would it be possible to modify the guideline page to include "No Spoiler Requests"?
Antiyonder
posted @ Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:26:19 pm EST from 50.35.219.148

GregXB: [SPOILER] I thought the doctors said she was ten . . . but whatevs, at least they're not "What did Artemis whisper to Wally?" when Artemis herself said she was going to break the news to him and the context of the details was effectively screaming at us. [/SPOILER]

Another great episode, with fun little nods of continuity all around . . . [SPOILER] specifically I'm thinking of Zatanna finding out about the Watchtower (and Batman's voice clearly getting more frustrated). I also did blink when Doctor Fate was mentioned on the news . . . if I remember right, I don't think Zatanna, Miss Martian, and Artemis were taking down the same snow-ship-thing as Captain Marvel & Doctor Fate, but if they were, that'd be a decent story for the comic. [/SPOILER]
Phoenician
"The suspense is terrible . . . I hope it lasts," -- Willy Wonka
posted @ Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:17:56 pm EST from 74.162.131.92

Arlo: That option has actually returned for Todd and I recently, as you can see with my response here (http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=14564).

But the restrictions on when we can do this are fairly stringent. The fact that most people ask multiple questions in the same post dilutes its effectiveness significantly - because if there's even one question in a given post that can't be answered by a specific quote, we have no choice but to send the whole thing on to Greg.

On a brighter note, though, "Coldhearted" was just...fantastic. Perhaps I'll say more later, but if nothing else this was some of the most beautiful animation I've seen out of this series yet, and that is saying something.
Masterdramon - [kmc12009@mymail.pomona.edu]
"'Round, 'round, 'round, 'round, I get around..." - The Beach Boys
posted @ Sat, Mar 10, 2012 5:10:35 pm EST from 68.32.165.95

I'll admit it's been a while since I've been here, but wasn't there an Ask Greg Helper system before that had volunteers filter out those questions that the answers were already known to (e.g. "Spoiler request - no comment," "Asked and answered," etc.)? I could be wrong, but from what I saw, it looked like only the most basic questions were being filtered, and Greg had to type the "Asked and answered" stuff himself a lot of the time. What happened to that?
Arlo
Gargoyles need not apply.
posted @ Sat, Mar 10, 2012 4:31:29 pm EST from 71.250.204.229

*Checks Ask Greg's queue*

Great... "how old is Perdita" is the new "how old is Zatanna." Didn't they mention her age IN THE EPISODE!? Twelve! Yup not only are they not checking the archives, they're not even bothering to watch the damn episodes.
Greg Bishansky - [<--- Greg's Blog of Clue-by-Fours]
when asking girlfriends to shave pubic hair, do not say "Will somebody get this walking carpet out of my way?"
posted @ Sat, Mar 10, 2012 3:18:12 pm EST from 24.185.74.60

Pardon me while I play catch-up. Interview with Young Justice character designer Phil Bourassa at World's Finest: http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/youngjustice/backstage/interview8.php

Clips and pics from today's new episode of Young Justice: http://www.toonzone.net/news/articles/42117/dc-nation-clips-for-march-10-2012-premieres-young-justice-baby-superman-how-to-draw-green-lantern/ It'll encore tomorrow at 10:30am ET on Cartoon Network if you missed it.
Landon Thomas - [<- Gargoyles News Twitter Feed]
posted @ Sat, Mar 10, 2012 12:30:59 pm EST from 71.34.0.54

Hmmmm. I could be wrong, but I do believe this episode was the closest we've come to seeing an outright triumph so far. Masterdramon should be particularly happy with certain elements, though.
Brainiac - [OSUBrainiac at gmail dot com]
There is balance in all things. Live in symmetry with the world around you. If you must blow things up and steal from those around you, THAT'S WHAT RPGS ARE FOR!
posted @ Sat, Mar 10, 2012 11:02:40 am EST from 174.101.230.22

MASTERDRAMON - Yes, I'd forgotten about the "Shocker's identity" questions until you reminded me.

And I think you've displayed that a person can be closely familiar with the source material without having problems with the changes that the "Young Justice" production team made. Thanks.
Todd Jensen
posted @ Sat, Mar 10, 2012 7:38:36 am EST from 4.244.208.214

Todd: I think that's probably true...but it derives itself from (A), I think, rather than any intrinsic problem with the respective source materials.

As I've stated once or twice here, I'd say that the long streak of good-to-phenomenal animated DC properties has raised fan expectations much higher, as well as making them more rigid and unaccepting of change. SpecSpidey didn't have any standards to meet (beyond those of the decidedly mediocre 90s series) so it sailed by a little better, I think.

If Marvel had anything like "Batman: The Animated Series" under their belt prior to SpecSpidey's premier, I'm pretty damn sure we'd have seen a lot more spam here than we actually did. I'm not saying it got off easy, of course (Heaven knows how many people complained about Herman Schultz being replaced by Montana)...but that's one reason I think we saw such a distinct difference.
Masterdramon - [kmc12009@mymail.pomona.edu]
"'Round, 'round, 'round, 'round, I get around..." - The Beach Boys
posted @ Fri, Mar 9, 2012 9:09:43 pm EST from 68.32.165.95

MASTERDRAMON - Two good answers. I'd wondered, also, whether there was a higher proportion of volatile DC fans than Marvel Comics fans; I don't know enough about either fandom to know if that's the case.
Todd Jensen
posted @ Fri, Mar 9, 2012 7:41:47 pm EST from 4.244.209.93

Todd: I think it's a confluence of two factors...

A) "Young Justice" has a much wider fanbase (and, for lack of better term, "hatebase") than "The Spectacular Spider-Man" did in its prime. This likely owes itself mostly to building on top of existing fandom communities for shows like "Justice League" and "Teen Titans," whereas SpecSpidey really had to build its fanbase from the ground up due to it being the first really stupendous Marvel animated series...well, ever.

B) The "Young Justice" fans being much more aware of AskGreg. Generally, I noticed that the discussions regarding SpecSpidey were a lot more...diffuse, and certainly a lot less connected to Station 8. But the "Young Justice" fandom, for better or for worse, watches this site like a hawk...and the more people watching the more decide to throw their hats into the question-asking "ring" without doing their homework first.
Masterdramon - [kmc12009@mymail.pomona.edu]
"'Round, 'round, 'round, 'round, I get around..." - The Beach Boys
posted @ Fri, Mar 9, 2012 7:25:17 pm EST from 68.32.165.95

Todd> I might be guessing wrong, but maybe the fans attracted by YJ aren't concerned with courtesy as well as being unfamiliar with the rules.

But I could be wrong.
Antiyonder
posted @ Fri, Mar 9, 2012 7:03:36 pm EST from 50.35.219.148

I've been puzzling over this recently. We're probably all familiar now with the kinds of "Young Justice" questions that have been near-exasperating Greg Weisman (repeated queries of how old such-and-such-a-character - usually Zatanna - is, spoiler requests, etc.). We didn't see such a spate of questions, however, over "The Spectacular Spider-Man" when it was airing, even though it was also based on a pre-existing comics property. I wonder why that is.
Todd Jensen
posted @ Fri, Mar 9, 2012 6:51:05 pm EST from 4.244.209.93

Sounds good. I wonder what inspired the change.

Maybe we should all start a letter-writing campaign. I remember hearing somewhere that execs count every written letter they receive as a thousand fans who will buy the product, whereas they largely ignore e-mails. I'm not sure about phone calls.
Arlo
Gargoyles need not apply.
posted @ Fri, Mar 9, 2012 5:48:56 pm EST from 71.250.204.229

ARLO> This is actually new. Started back in November, they've gone from saying they have no plans to "tentative plans." It's not concrete, but it's an improvement.
Greg Bishansky - [<--- Greg's Blog of Clue-by-Fours]
when asking girlfriends to shave pubic hair, do not say "Will somebody get this walking carpet out of my way?"
posted @ Fri, Mar 9, 2012 5:00:43 pm EST from 24.185.74.60

RJ> Oh yeah, sorry, I missed that.

Greg B.> Excellent! I'll give them a call too.

Just out of curiosity, is this a new development I missed while I was away, or have they always been saying they had tentative plans every year?
Arlo
Gargoyles need not apply.
posted @ Fri, Mar 9, 2012 4:56:37 pm EST from 71.250.204.229

"Disney Generations" is a Manufacture on Demand service like "The Warner Archive" and If anything, that is probably where "Gargoyles will end up. I am hoping, though, for a pressed disk release (IE, to stores.)
Battle Beast - [Canada]
I DID IT!!! I WATCHED ALL 485 BEST PICTURE NOMINEES IN ONE YEAR!!!
posted @ Fri, Mar 9, 2012 4:47:11 pm EST from 173.181.65.212

Arlo> I listed "Cyber Hunt". It appeared in the same edition with "Take the A Train." May 1995 issue of Disney Adventures.
Richard Jackson
posted @ Fri, Mar 9, 2012 4:43:29 pm EST from 122.199.116.237

Called Walt Disney Home Entertainment again, and they still say they have tentative plans for the rest of season two on DVD this year. Now, we want these tentative plans to become definitive plans... so showing demand doesn't hurt. Once again, the number is 800-723-4763
Greg Bishansky - [<--- Greg's Blog of Clue-by-Fours]
when asking girlfriends to shave pubic hair, do not say "Will somebody get this walking carpet out of my way?"
posted @ Fri, Mar 9, 2012 4:36:17 pm EST from 24.185.74.60

Anthony and Richard Jackson> Thanks, the help is greatly appreciated!

Richard, by searching by Character-> Goliath -> Unidentified stories on that site, I've been able to find Lines of Allegiance:
http://coa.inducks.org/issue.php?c=us/DA+7-03
http://coa.inducks.org/issue.php?c=us/DA+7-04

Looks like it's being called "Friends and Enemies" and "Crossing the Line" for some reason, but you can make out the title in the pictures, assuming the pictures are accurate. That would place it in December, 1996 and January, 1997.

We still need Cyber-Hunt. Anthony, if you would be kind enough to get that one for us, and also verify the Lines of Allegiance issues, since the pictures may not be correct, that would be greatly appreciated.
Arlo
Gargoyles need not apply.
posted @ Fri, Mar 9, 2012 2:51:57 pm EST from 71.250.204.229

A Study in Stone November 1994
Stone Cold December 1994-January 1995 issues
Take the A Train & Cyber Hunt May 1995
All Hallows Eve November 1995
Lost in the Fun House May 1996
All in a Night's Work July 1996
The Experts August 1996

I couldn't find which issues "Lines of Allegiance" are in.
Richard Jackson
posted @ Fri, Mar 9, 2012 1:02:44 am EST from 1.251.19.150

Arlo> I've been able to find which specific Disney Adventures issues I want by using this web site: http://coa.inducks.org/index.php You can search by character and it'll show all the comics they've appeared in around the world in various editions.

http://coa.inducks.org/story.php?c=KJZ+212a
Richard Jackson
posted @ Fri, Mar 9, 2012 12:42:32 am EST from 1.251.19.150

Oh, I see. You're looking for which issues had which stories. I'll check my Disney Adventures and get back to you guys on that.
Anthony Tini
posted @ Thu, Mar 8, 2012 11:59:46 pm EST from 50.29.205.45

ARLO> Sorry to hear that. Sadly, I don't know which issues do. But I agree, I want the GargWiki to be all encompassing.

If anyone in the fandom does know, the information would be much appreciated.
Greg Bishansky - [<--- Greg's Blog of Clue-by-Fours]
when asking girlfriends to shave pubic hair, do not say "Will somebody get this walking carpet out of my way?"
posted @ Thu, Mar 8, 2012 11:53:10 pm EST from 24.185.74.60

@Arlo http://gargwiki.net/Category:Disney_Adventures_stories
Anthony Tini
posted @ Thu, Mar 8, 2012 11:50:05 pm EST from 50.29.205.45

Just wondering if anyone's managed to put together a list for the wiki on which issues of Disney Adventures Magazine had the Gargoyles comics in them. Right now, only the first one, November 1994, is specified. I think it's important to have this information available for fans and collectors (myself included), and I put in a request on the wiki's comments page and on here a while back, but never heard anything.
Arlo
Gargoyles need not apply.
posted @ Thu, Mar 8, 2012 11:07:19 pm EST from 71.250.204.229

I really wish we could edit our questions to "Ask Greg". I looked back over the review I'd posted there of "Schooled", and when reading the bit about the school bus in trouble at the beginning and Bruce Wayne being ready to suit up as Batman and go to the rescue, realized that I had forgotten to include two crucial words: "in Metropolis". Because, of course, the whole point of my comment was the surprise of seeing a super-hero so firmly associated with Gotham City about to carry out some heroics in the city equally firmly associated with Superman. My comment lost its meaning when I forgot to type in those two words. *sigh*
Todd Jensen
posted @ Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:47:44 pm EST from 4.244.208.66

Rebel : "you will most likely not get a positive reception" Not necessarily. After all, the Barracuda is one of the most widely read fanfic writers, and he started his 'fics right where TGS's second season left off.

Like most things in writing, borrowing charactors from other writers can turn out good, bad, or in between. It all depends on how you use them, and sometimes more importantly, why. A great example of both the good and the bad comes from (I hope no one minds me saying the name) Doug Elder. In his fanfics, he borrowed a couple of charactors from Christine Morgan. On the one hand, he inserted the Illuminati Grandmaster into his 'fics, a charactor who appeared for maybe three stories in Christine's 'verse. He ended up being a far more important charactor in Doug's world, and IMHO, was utilized quite well. On the other hand, he also inserted Aiden Ferguson into his 'fics. That didn't work so well. Mainly because, as he himself admitted, the main reason she was used was to convieniently marry off Lex without having to, you know, actually write any scenes focusing on Lex. So in TGS terms, writing a story because you've got a good idea for using Sara Jasper to do something *gasp* useful, is fine. Putting Sata into your universe so that you don't have to focus on Brooklyn's love life, not such a good idea.

So to get back to my main point, it's not always bad to write stories based on someone else's 'fics. After all, that's pretty much what the current TGS staff *is* doing.

ShadowChild28 : Todd's no longer on staff, so he can't really give or deny his permission. I however, am. So I'll give you the text of TGS's disclaimer:
"It is inevitable that our characters and story arcs will be used in independent fanfic in the near future. If you plan to do an independent fanfic involving our characters and/or story arcs, please give credit to the TGS staff by mentioning us in your disclaimer. This is all we ask. Also, keep in mind that we are not permitted to look at any independent fanfic that uses our characters. Therefore, you cannot suggest that a character of your creation be used in future episodes of TGS and/or it's subsequent spin-offs. We also cannot reveal any plot threads for the future of TGS, so don't even try to ask us for hints on what the future will hold."

In other words, as long as you acknowledge whose charactors belong to whom, there's nothing preventing you from using our charactors in your own work. Good luck.
Spen
posted @ Thu, Mar 8, 2012 7:11:21 pm EST from 69.63.7.88

SHADOWCHILD 28 - I haven't even been part of TGS for years (not since the end of 2003), so I'm hardly the best person to ask for permission. And I think that it's obsolete by now, since much of its content has been contradicted by the revelations in "Clan-Building" (thus, we now know that the Arthurian identity of the head of the Illuminati is Percival rather than Lancelot, for example).

(Shortly after leaving TGS, I thought of writing an Arthurian series that borrowed some ideas from "TGS: Pendragon" but improved on them, both by setting them in its own universe minus the "Gargoyles" elements and revising some of the characters according to new ideas that I'd had about them, but wound up abandoning it.)
Todd Jensen
posted @ Thu, Mar 8, 2012 6:47:42 pm EST from 4.244.208.66

ShadowChild28> Have you ever considered that maybe writing fiction isn't your strong-suit?
Algernon
posted @ Thu, Mar 8, 2012 5:37:24 pm EST from 212.129.84.129

Is there something wrong with the queue? My question has been the next in line for several days now, but it gets skipped, but is somehow still next in line. It's already been Approved. I e-mailed Greg and he says he hasn't seen it on his end.
Greg Bishansky - [<--- Greg's Blog of Clue-by-Fours]
when asking girlfriends to shave pubic hair, do not say "Will somebody get this walking carpet out of my way?"
posted @ Thu, Mar 8, 2012 5:22:40 pm EST from 24.185.74.60

Rebel> It is very difficult for me to develop a story once I get an idea. I mean, I can watch the show but I don't know what the characters are feeling.
ShadowChild28 - [Kendal.renfro@yahoo.com]
posted @ Thu, Mar 8, 2012 5:13:18 pm EST from 166.147.78.123

ShadowChild28 > I'm not Todd, but I think using someone else's ideas/concepts for your fanfiction is a bad idea. Granted, ALL fanfiction is using someone else's ideas/concepts, but if you're borrowing ideas from OTHER fanfiction, your stories will become even less original. Plus, many Gargoyles fans have read most of the TGS stories, so if you are posting your fanfiction online you will most likely not get a positive reception.

If you're doing it for your own personal improvement as a writing exercise and have no intentions of posting it anywhere, that might be alright, but you're still going to become a better writer if your fanfiction is "original fanfiction". At some point, it would be a good idea to stop writing fanfiction altogether and make up your own story-verse with your own rules and your own characters and conflicts.
Rebel
posted @ Thu, Mar 8, 2012 5:03:14 pm EST from 69.134.102.225

Todd Jensen> Is it okay if I use some of the ideas and concepts in The Gargoyles Saga? I want to use some of them for my own stories and it will help me learn how to develop one that I'm working on.
ShadowChild28 - [Kendal.renfro@yahoo.com]
posted @ Thu, Mar 8, 2012 4:32:43 pm EST from 166.147.78.123

Todd> [SPOILER] Indeed, I'm curious to see what is so important that it requires the personal attention of L-1 himself. [/SPOILER]
Algernon
posted @ Thu, Mar 8, 2012 4:18:08 pm EST from 212.129.84.129

Gregs's Timeline> Huh. Hmmm....
Battle Beast - [Canada]
I DID IT!!! I WATCHED ALL 485 BEST PICTURE NOMINEES IN ONE YEAR!!!
posted @ Thu, Mar 8, 2012 1:21:46 pm EST from 173.181.80.213

Todd> It is indeed who you think it is. The character self-identified in the "next time" bit that ran after Misplaced. Plus the voice is rather unmistakable.

It's amusing trying to phrase things as generically as possible to avoid the need for spoiler tags.
Brainiac - [OSUBrainiac at gmail dot com]
There is balance in all things. Live in symmetry with the world around you. If you must blow things up and steal from those around you, THAT'S WHAT RPGS ARE FOR!
posted @ Thu, Mar 8, 2012 12:03:19 pm EST from 137.183.232.23

I was just over at Comics Continuum, which had a mini-preview of Saturday's new episode of "Young Justice". Apparently [SPOILER] Vandal Savage will be making an appearance - not scheming with the other members of the Light in secret, but actually doing battle in the front lines. Or at least, the guy in the mini-preview had a character design like the Vandal Savage of "Young Justice". [/SPOILER]
Todd Jensen
posted @ Thu, Mar 8, 2012 10:15:10 am EST from 198.209.226.130

Well, the last of the Captain Atom versions of our gargs has showed up:
http://www.formspring.me/ChampsElysees
http://www.formspring.me/SeineAtom

Anyone want to fill them in what's happened recently?
Anonymous
posted @ Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:40:53 pm EST from 173.58.171.116

The only text that's hard for me to read is Todd's blue (I don't know if it's dark or regular). I don't know why, but my eyes blur it. I think it's because it doesn't mesh well with the black background.

@Greg B Great question concerning the Bad Guys dates and events from Greg's timeline. I'm glad he was feeling generous. http://s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=14511
Anthony Tini
posted @ Wed, Mar 7, 2012 8:19:34 am EST from 159.240.11.245

The purple/Goliath seems to be coming back fine for me.

If anyone else here uses Opera, setting the veiw to "fit to width" causes all dark colored text to appear white. I don't know if any other browsers have that option, though. On my old monitor, I never had a problem with reading any of the text colors, even dark blue, but with this one, even Todd's bright blue is unreadable normally.
Spen
posted @ Wed, Mar 7, 2012 7:14:49 am EST from 69.63.7.88

Wingless> I have the same problems with both the skin settings and the people choosing too dark of text color.
Matt - [Saint Louis, Missouri, USA]
"... And if we did it before, we can do it again." "And we will. Together." - Goliath and Elisa, "The Edge"
posted @ Wed, Mar 7, 2012 4:35:43 am EST from 99.92.109.252

Wingless> I can read most of the dark text, but sometimes I have to strain my eyes so it's easier to just highlight.
Supermorff
posted @ Wed, Mar 7, 2012 3:27:17 am EST from 86.174.147.4

One thing about the skins-no matter what one I select, they always default to the gray "Awakenings" skin when I return. I'm curious if there's a way if it can be set to stay once you select it(I like the purple Goliath skin-naturally). I'm also for doing away for the extremely dark font colors-since, at least with my monitor, I have to highlight the text to read it. Anyone else have this problem?
Wingless
posted @ Wed, Mar 7, 2012 2:56:20 am EST from 99.246.10.54

Though now that I'm aware of it, I think I'll start using purple/Goliath.
Spen
posted @ Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:42:56 am EST from 69.63.7.88

Supermoff : I use the standard skin. Actually, I wasn't even aware that there are any others.
Spen
posted @ Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:41:07 am EST from 69.63.7.88

@Landon Thank you! I didn't know that ComiXology existed.

I'm getting a Kindle Fire soon. Anyone currently have one OR does anyone currently read comics on their specific tablet?
Anthony Tini
posted @ Tue, Mar 6, 2012 1:32:20 pm EST from 159.240.11.245

Young Justice is digitally released on ComiXology: http://www.comixology.com/Young-Justice-2011/comics-series/5348

ComiXology has apps out for the iPhone, iPad, Android market and Kindle Fire: http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=35377

So you should already be able to read YJ on the Kindle Fire.
Landon Thomas - [<- Gargoyles News Twitter Feed]
posted @ Tue, Mar 6, 2012 11:36:20 am EST from 128.101.32.234

Anthony> Would that work? I thought Kindle was all in black and white.
Supermorff
posted @ Tue, Mar 6, 2012 11:18:37 am EST from 62.25.109.195

Before I ask Greg, does anyone know if they plan on publishing the YJ comics to be purchased and read on the Kindle?
Anthony Tini
posted @ Tue, Mar 6, 2012 10:36:04 am EST from 159.240.11.245

@Supermorff I just use the normal gray skin with the images hidden.

I'm not sure who's in charge of opening and/or closing the Ask A Question section, but may I suggest that if the unanswered queue reaches 300 that it be closed allowing Greg and his helpers time to catch up so they don't feel overwhelmed. It's just a thought I had that may decrease overall frustration even further. If Greg and helpers feel whelmed, then just disregard this suggestion.
Anthony Tini
posted @ Tue, Mar 6, 2012 9:44:38 am EST from 159.240.11.245

I'm glad the credits for latest YJ episode are up. Jim Gordon's voice in particular was frustrating me to no end!

Question for the room: What skin do people use on Ask Greg? Personally I'm a fan of the dark grey default skin with the opening pan from "Awakening", but I wonder how many people use the other skins (Broadway, Goliath or Brooklyn).

Also, I know this is a Gargoyles fan site (and let's not change that!), but has anyone considered a new skin for Spectacular Spider-Man or Young Justice, or any of the other shows Greg was show-runner for? I'm not advocating it, but the idea popped into my head so I thought I'd ask.
Supermorff
posted @ Tue, Mar 6, 2012 5:55:40 am EST from 62.25.109.195

In case anyone's interested, Keith David popped up in the voice actor trailer for Mass Effect 3.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hfvo5ueKJY8&ob=av3e
Aldrius
posted @ Mon, Mar 5, 2012 10:49:58 pm EST from 173.206.28.55

I've always thought Matt being a member of the Illuminati would cause problems for his relationships with Elisa and the Manhattan Clan, as far as secrets and lies go in the Gargoyle Universe.
Richard Jackson
posted @ Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:11:22 pm EST from 1.251.19.150

Sorry, it should have been "Some Geek", not "Stone Geek". (Understandable mistake, though, in this comment room.)
Todd Jensen
posted @ Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:06:10 pm EST from 4.244.209.186

STONE GEEK - There's Elisa keeping the gargoyles a secret from everyone else, even Matt and her family, not just to protect them but also because she liked being the one human friend to the clan.
Todd Jensen
posted @ Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:05:27 pm EST from 4.244.209.186

Some Geek> It fits Bad Guys better than Gargoyles.
Harlan Phoenix - [harlanphoenix@live.com]
posted @ Mon, Mar 5, 2012 7:45:39 pm EST from 74.5.131.13

I'd like to add that after reading up on "Misplaced" at the Young Justice wiki, I got a kick out of [SPOILER] the magical ceremony to split the world into two worlds, one populated by children and one populated by adults, took place at Roanoake Island; I place that idea alongside Dr. Fate's tower being located at Salem in "Denial". Not to mention the evocation of the Pied Piper (the ultimate "child-napper") in the invocation. [/SPOILER]
Todd Jensen
posted @ Mon, Mar 5, 2012 6:51:45 pm EST from 4.244.209.186

So Greg has stated that the theme for Season 1 of Young Justice is 'secrets and lies.' And I can go through, mentally, and see secrets and lies for each member of the HEROES (aka the team) -- some already revealed and some merely hinted.

BUT that got me further thinking, in Gargoyles, was there any real secret and/or lie for any of the HEROES (aka the Manhattan Clan) ? All the secrets and lies i could think of were from people who are generally villains of the series.

Anthony Tini> the item in the briefcase is something that was shown back in the episode "Downtime" so if you saw that older episode again, you'd be able to make the connection.
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posted @ Mon, Mar 5, 2012 6:08:51 pm EST from 98.204.100.195

@Todd [SPOILER] I believe it was mentioned in the episode that someone from the Light was surprised at the extent that Klarion went to in the episode for it was just a means of distraction for the Light's true purpose which it seems that some of you identified. As a layman when it comes to DC knowledge, I have no idea what was in the briefcase when I saw it. [/SPOILER]
Anthony Tini
posted @ Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:47:58 am EST from 159.240.11.245

Todd: For the record, that's "The Uncertainty Principle."

In any event, yes, I'm pretty dang sure that Greg - and by extension [SPOILER] Vandal Savage [/SPOILER] - chose that name for a very particular reason.

Part of that comes from my suspicion (gleaned from Greg's answers here-and-there) that the idea for the Light came about from [SPOILER] Vandal and Ra's al Ghul shooting the breeze in the comradery of being fellow immortals - sort of a very twisted version of King Arthur and Macbeth having coffee together in "Rock and Roll." Ra's is nearly always played as a Well-Intentioned Extremist and Vandal often so, so the idea of forming a "club" of such individuals probably appealed to both of them.

Lex Luthor, in particular, is played best in my opinion when he genuinely believes (even if no one else does) that Superman is a dangerous alien menace who must be wiped out to ensure mankind's survival. Based on the stated purpose of Superboy's creation and his dreams in "What's the Story?" it seems likely that this is the interpretation of Luthor the showrunners have chosen, which makes me quite giddy.

This has only gained credence, I think, by their acquisition of what remains of Starro the Star Conqueror at the end of "Misplaced." Notice that their ultimate weapon isn't one of destruction or warfare, but rather one of the most potent forms of mind control in the galaxy.

My guess is that, soon, everyone is intended to see the light...whether they want to or not. [/SPOILER]
Masterdramon - [kmc12009@mymail.pomona.edu]
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posted @ Mon, Mar 5, 2012 9:09:12 am EST from 68.32.165.95

Persona. Yay, google!
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posted @ Mon, Mar 5, 2012 8:14:20 am EST from 75.76.235.156

Ninth. (Sorry, I can't remember the name of the ninth episode of "The Spectacular Spider-Man".)

For me, one of the most interesting elements of "Young Justice" is the Light's name. Now, the obvious and simplest reason for that is the white glow that they use to disguise themselves when they're having videoconferences with their agents. But the word "light" also traditionally has positive connotations, which makes it creepy that it's being used for the "Big Bad" in the series.

Their talk about how everyone will "see the light" adds to this atmosphere. Now I've only seen the first eight episodes of "Young Justice"; all the other episodes I only know through what I've heard on the Internet. But from what I *have* seen, it makes me wonder if the Light are out for something more than conventional world-domination, fueled by mere power-hunger. Is their real goal more something along the lines of a vision they have of what's best for the world, a vision that they are so fanatically in favor of achieving that they're willing to do anything to achieve it, even to the extent, of, say [SPOILER] splitting the world into two worlds, one inhabited only by children, the other inhabited only by adults [/SPOILER], all in a "Utopia at any price" mode? I know that one of the individual members of the Light, Ra's al-Ghul, has a reputation for such an outlook.

We won't know for certain, of course, until the Season One finale (most likely), and it's possible that the "post-Downtime" episodes already aired have modified that speculation. But I am curious about it. (And I can see a parallel to the Illuminati in "Gargoyles" - whose own name is linked to "light" via Latin - who have also done a lot of unscrupulous things, but all for a cause that apparently involves the world's greatest hour of need, when King Arthur was originally meant to return - until Elisa's premature awakening of him changed all that and alarmed Peredur.)
Todd Jensen
posted @ Mon, Mar 5, 2012 7:59:33 am EST from 4.244.215.148

Reaction.
Harvester of Eyes - [Minstrel75@gmail.com]
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posted @ Mon, Mar 5, 2012 6:16:29 am EST from 97.102.10.159

Did everyone else forget that this was clearing night? I'm not sure what kind of Cataclysts would have caused that.

(Yes, I know I'm reaching. Sue me.)
Spen
posted @ Mon, Mar 5, 2012 5:09:55 am EST from 69.63.7.88

Er... Invisible
Matt - [Saint Louis, Missouri, USA]
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posted @ Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:33:41 am EST from 99.92.109.252

The Invisable Hand!
Matt - [Saint Louis, Missouri, USA]
"... And if we did it before, we can do it again." "And we will. Together." - Goliath and Elisa, "The Edge"
posted @ Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:33:15 am EST from 99.92.109.252

Okay...No idea why/how I did the double post there...But sorry?
Chip
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posted @ Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:06:09 am EST from 68.184.242.67

Competition!
Masterdramon - [kmc12009@mymail.pomona.edu]
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posted @ Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:06:08 am EST from 68.32.165.95

Market Forces
Chip
"The next time you set up shop in the biggest state, don't pick the area that's only ten miles wide. Welcome to Canada, idiot"--Frank Zhang
posted @ Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:04:59 am EST from 68.184.242.67

It's unfortunate there weren't enough arcs for _____ 101s to be used instead of episode titles...but we don't need to dwell on that any further.

Natural Selection! Appropriate for a Genetics major, no?
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posted @ Mon, Mar 5, 2012 12:02:07 am EST from 174.101.230.22

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