BRAINIAC - [Complete with a Robin Hood who very much looks like Oliver Queen.] Definitely sounds appropriate. By coincidence, I'm working on a novel about Robin Hood (still only in the outline stages, but I have many ideas for it already, though - and this is all I'm saying - it's going to be extremely unorthodox in places), and have been reading up a lot not only on him, but on England during Richard the Lion-hearted's reign. (The notion of Robin Hood being active during King Richard's absence was a late addition to the story, but I decided to use it. The historical account of King Richard's absence - I've been reading a book about it entitled "England without Richard" - is a lot of fun. Richard left a fellow named Longchamp in charge in his absence, but Longchamp was so greedy and arrogant (you wouldn't want him for a dinner guest - he travelled with so many servants that it took years for his hosts to recover from his visits) that soon everyone else of importance in England - including Prince John - united against him and forced him out of office. Longchamp tried to sneak off to the Continent disguised as a woman, but was caught (among other things, an amorous fisherman was fooled by his disguise at Dover, tried to hit on him - and was extremely disappointed to find out who the woman he was after really was!).

[SPOILER] I haven't seen "Agendas", but I've picked up a bit about it already - enough to think that "Young Justice"'s take on Superboy seems like Greg Weisman exploring the Bastard archetype again. Different from Thailog, of course, but with the notion of "bastards have more than one father" at work with him, just as with Thailog. [/SPOILER]
Todd Jensen
posted @ Sun, Mar 25, 2012 6:26:43 pm EDT from 4.244.213.106

Rebel> [SPOILER] I did not notice that, and it sounded brilliant, but I've just gone to listen to that bit again and it sounds more like Benny and Eric to me.

I liked the episode, right up until the last second when I realised we weren't going to find out who the League had voted in or out. So frustrating! And I might not be able to catch next week's episode. [/SPOILER]
Supermorff
posted @ Sun, Mar 25, 2012 4:19:39 pm EDT from 86.162.31.238

@Anthony [SPOILER] Heh. I'm willing to bet they all went their separate ways after the meeting, but maybe you're right.

Another minor note--anyone else catch the name of those two genomorphs? Benny and Erin (though my brain originally interpreted it as "Aaron")? Oh Weisman! [/SPOILER]
Rebel
posted @ Sun, Mar 25, 2012 2:36:31 pm EDT from 69.134.102.225

@Rebel [SPOILER] After the vote, maybe the Justice League all ate Thanksgiving dinner together. Maybe Martha Kent and Alfred were in the WatchTower kitchen cooking. :) [/SPOILER]
Anthony Tini
posted @ Sun, Mar 25, 2012 1:49:28 pm EDT from 50.29.205.45

Haven't seen a lot of discussion in the CR about "Agendas". What did everyone think of it? I thought this episode was great...although I've thought almost everyone episode was great to be honest.

[SPOILER] I loved Lex Luthor in this episode, and I loved the fact that Superboy didn't really have any real rebuttals to the points Lex made during their little "shades of grey" discussion. A great thing about both this episode and "Image" is that it sets up two of our team members as being individuals that can't necessarily be trusted. We see that M'Gann is willing to brainblast her own teammates, lie to them about doing it, and then later show them a false "true" appearance, and also that she is now being blackmailed by Queen Bee. In "Agendas", Superboy lies to M'Gann about where he's going, and then at the end of the episode he ultimately accepts a gift from Lex Luthor. Plus, Lex being able to shut Superboy down when he says "Red Sun" means, as Superboy pointed out, that there may be other things Lex can make him do. I would love to see what took place during that downtime between Lex saying "Red Sun" and Superboy regaining his faculties. Was Superboy just standing there frozen the whole time? Or was Lex asking him questions (and getting answers) about the team's secrets? The prudent thing to do would be to turn the shields over to the Justice League and give Batman a full report about everything that went down, and especially telling him that Lex can control Superboy using certain phrases. But considering this season's theme is "Secrets and Lies" I doubt Superboy will do any of these things, at least not anytime soon. Also it's a shame he missed Thanksgiving. Speaking of missing Thanksgiving, how odd that the Justice League picked that particular day to have their meeting.

As far as the episode's B plot goes, I'm glad that the Justice League's meeting sufficiently addressed numerous lingering issues I had with various characters' league membership. Zatara wants Dr. Fate to remain a member so the League can keep watch over Nabu (I suppose we will soon find out if his wishes were honored). Captain Marvel lying about his age did not come without consequences, as his continued membership gets put to a vote. I'm personally hoping that both Dr. Fate and Captain Marvel remain League members. I'm also really itching to see the results of the League's vote. I have my suspicions that some members of the team get voted in and others don't, thus potentially causing a rift. [/SPOILER]
Rebel
posted @ Sun, Mar 25, 2012 12:58:33 pm EDT from 69.134.102.225

Todd & Arlo> The follow-up to Conquests of Camelot, Conquests of the Longbow, is a fun, enjoyable, and well-researched adaptation of the Robin Hood mythos. Complete with a Robin Hood who very much looks like Oliver Queen.
Brainiac - [OSUBrainiac at gmail dot com]
There is balance in all things. Live in symmetry with the world around you. If you must blow things up and steal from those around you, THAT'S WHAT RPGS ARE FOR!
posted @ Sun, Mar 25, 2012 11:39:36 am EDT from 174.101.230.22

ARLO - I've played "Arthur: the Quest of Excalibur" (though I no longer have the game; I switched computers since then) and liked it. I've read about "Conquests of Camelot", but never played it.
Todd Jensen
posted @ Sun, Mar 25, 2012 10:08:18 am EDT from 4.244.212.205

Todd> A couple of other games you might like are "Arthur: The Quest for Excalibur" by Infocom, and "Conquests of Camelot" by Sierra (the same company as "Quest for Glory" and "King's Quest"). These two aren't a series, but they may as well be, since they're so similar, at least in my opinion. Both are also heavily-researched, which adds a nice touch.
Arlo
Gargoyles need not apply.
posted @ Sun, Mar 25, 2012 7:46:47 am EDT from 173.54.75.2

Todd> In that case, might I recommend a longplay or two through the entire series?

http://classiclp.blogspot.com/2009/01/quest-for-glory-epic-lets-play-complete.html

http://lparchive.org/Quest-for-Glory-1-5/

Enjoy.
Brainiac - [OSUBrainiac at gmail dot com]
There is balance in all things. Live in symmetry with the world around you. If you must blow things up and steal from those around you, THAT'S WHAT RPGS ARE FOR!
posted @ Sat, Mar 24, 2012 11:28:23 pm EDT from 174.101.230.22

BRAINIAC - Thanks, but I'll be content to just read about it rather than actually trying to play it.
Todd Jensen
posted @ Sat, Mar 24, 2012 8:10:35 pm EDT from 4.244.214.74

Todd> While I can't in good conscience point you to most of the various sites that offer the series for download, I can direct you to one in particular.

A fangroup known as Anonymous Game Developers Interactive released a visual update of the second game in the series, Trial By Fire. It's set in the land of Shapeir, a stand-in for Arabia along with its mythology and folklore like that of the 1001 Nights. It's available for download (along with their remakes of the first three King's Quest games) at www.agdinteractive.com if you want to take a look.

Beyond that, the original titles (as well as the official remake of the first game) can be found via resellers like eBay and Amazon fairly easily, though often not cheaply. QfG was not given an XP Collection re-release unlike many of the other Quest series.
Brainiac - [OSUBrainiac at gmail dot com]
There is balance in all things. Live in symmetry with the world around you. If you must blow things up and steal from those around you, THAT'S WHAT RPGS ARE FOR!
posted @ Sat, Mar 24, 2012 8:05:20 pm EDT from 174.101.230.22

I've heard of the "Quest for Glory" games, but never played them or even studied them closely, though I have played many of the "King's Quest" games from the same company. I wish I had become more familiar with "Quest for Glory", especially after reading the comments on it here.
Todd Jensen
posted @ Sat, Mar 24, 2012 6:41:54 pm EDT from 4.244.214.74

Arlo> I think part of it is just the very "traditional gothic" style of the two (though it's less pronounced in Ulster). Also, Shadows uses quite a bit of Lovecraft and eastern European folklore in its inspirations while Ulster is purely Irish in origin and intent (though Algernon would likely be able to comment better there).
Brainiac - [OSUBrainiac at gmail dot com]
There is balance in all things. Live in symmetry with the world around you. If you must blow things up and steal from those around you, THAT'S WHAT RPGS ARE FOR!
posted @ Sat, Mar 24, 2012 2:01:42 pm EDT from 174.101.230.22

John-Rhys Davies as the narrator plays a big role, but I also find QfG4 to be remarkably similar to "The Hound of Ulster." Both have the elements of the protagonist(s) waking up in a strange, dark cave without any idea how they got there very early in the story. The chamber of the Dark One Cave that the Hero wakes up in almost looks kind of like the Banshee's cave where Goliath, Elisa, and Angela were kept in a way. Then there's the element of the temptress who pretends to be your friend because she's really trying to use you. And in both stories, she ends up being a strange, mystical creature. Even just the night scenes of the forests of Ireland with the mists and swamps remind me of the terrain of Mordavia in QfG4 in a way.

When I first played it, I was sure both QfG4 and "The Hound of Ulster" had to have been inspired by the same story, but I don't know of any story that inspired either. It's strange how similar they are.
Arlo
Gargoyles need not apply.
posted @ Sat, Mar 24, 2012 1:56:25 pm EDT from 173.54.75.2

Arlo> Ah, Quest for Glory. I actually brought up some similarities between it (mostly Shadows of Darkness) and Gargoyles a while back in here. John-Rhys Davies being the narrator is of course a significant reason for the connection being made. Good stuff.

And in others news, Agendas was very interesting.
Brainiac - [OSUBrainiac at gmail dot com]
There is balance in all things. Live in symmetry with the world around you. If you must blow things up and steal from those around you, THAT'S WHAT RPGS ARE FOR!
posted @ Sat, Mar 24, 2012 11:42:27 am EDT from 174.101.230.22

It seems to me that most works television or animated series hardly have any references to the seasons. Even live-action series might have one or two episodes that show snow, but that's about it. Of course, they usually have a Christmas or Halloween episode, but so do animated series.

I wrote a while back about how one of my favorite computer game series, Quest for Glory, reminds me of Gargoyles a bit, particularly the fourth game in the series (although Greg Weisman had nothing to do with it). One thing I like about that series is that there is an underlying sense of the seasons. Each game takes place in a different season.
Arlo
Gargoyles need not apply.
posted @ Sat, Mar 24, 2012 7:43:03 am EDT from 173.54.75.2

CHIP - Thanks.

I've seen speculations that "changing of the seasons/yearly cycle" elements don't get into animated series that often partly because the people who make those series usually live in California (and particularly in the area of Los Angeles) where there's far less a sense of four seasons, though I don't know how true that is.
Todd Jensen
posted @ Sat, Mar 24, 2012 6:38:14 am EDT from 4.244.213.140

Todd> I think that it was there, but more subtle than usual. We did also see one school year end, some of their summer vacation, and the new school year begin over the course of a few episodes.
Chip
"The next time you set up shop in the biggest state, don't pick the area that's only ten miles wide. Welcome to Canada, idiot"--Frank Zhang
posted @ Sat, Mar 24, 2012 6:16:07 am EDT from 24.217.38.192

MASTERDRAMON - Thanks.
Todd Jensen
posted @ Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:21:50 pm EDT from 4.244.214.175

Todd: It had a few, but not many. "W is for Witch" was the most notable, taking place on Halloween (meaning that the girls, and the villains they were temporarily allied with, could go out in the streets in "powered-up" form and not be noticed, reminding me distinctly of "Eye of the Beholder").
Masterdramon - [kmc12009@mymail.pomona.edu]
"We came on the Sloop John B., my grandfather and me..." - The Beach Boys
posted @ Fri, Mar 23, 2012 6:48:22 pm EDT from 68.32.165.95

Incidentally, referring back to my previous post, for those here who've seen the second season of "W.I.T.C.H." (the season Greg Weisman was in charge of), did it also have any sense of "the year's cycle" (seasons changing, episodes set against a well-known holiday like Christmas, Halloween, Thanksgiving, Valentine's Day, etc.), like "The Spectacular Spider-Man" and "Young Justice"?
Todd Jensen
posted @ Fri, Mar 23, 2012 6:45:54 pm EDT from 4.244.214.175

I would love to see Gargoyles as a live action or 3D movie. In a live action I think Zoe Saldana would be perfect to cast as Elisa especially after seeing her in the movie Columbiana! Geno Segers from Disneys Pair of Kings show would be perfect as Goliath. Like Keith Geno's voice is deep rich and amazing and he's a huge handsome presence much like Goliath. In fact Geno used to play Mufasa of Lion King- how perfect is that for a casting match! Any takers?- Lololo !!!
Cheryl Kiai - [Cherylkiai@gmail.com]
Masani
posted @ Fri, Mar 23, 2012 5:52:30 pm EDT from 74.102.93.194

Sorry for the double post, but I just visited Comics Continuum, saw a mini-clip there from "Agendas", and apparently [SPOILER] the episode will be set during Thanksgiving - the clip showed Miss Martian preparing a Thanksgiving-ish feast, and comforting Zatanna over something, probably the loss of her father (I watched it with the sound off at the library, so I'm assuming). I've a weakness for episodes that show the year's cycle through such events as major holidays - I'd liked that aspect of "The Spectacular Spider-Man" a lot - so it sounds good to me. [/SPOILER]
Todd Jensen
posted @ Fri, Mar 23, 2012 10:14:18 am EDT from 198.209.226.130

Happy birthday, Chip!
Todd Jensen
posted @ Fri, Mar 23, 2012 7:21:25 am EDT from 4.244.213.14

Happy birthday, Chip!

Richard Jackson> I haven't had any problems with the prices so far. Back when I was buying the Marvel comics, I also bought the first Disney Adventures issue that had a Gargoyles comic in it, the November 1994 one, for only a few dollars. With the information you provided me the other week, I found six more of the issues from a very nice woman on eBay who was selling all her old Disney Adventures magazines for $12 each. I bargained with her and got her to agree to sell the six I needed for $6 each.

I haven't had the experience that they're pricey. Maybe you're looking only for Mint Condition items? I'm generally willing to setle for Near Mint or Very Fine. I don't think I own a single one that's actually Mint, but I can't even tell the difference. There's no markings or anything that would make me, as a non-appraiser think they were less than Mint.
Arlo
Gargoyles need not apply.
posted @ Fri, Mar 23, 2012 3:38:26 am EDT from 173.54.75.2

Chip> Happy birthday!
Supermorff
posted @ Fri, Mar 23, 2012 3:27:32 am EDT from 86.162.28.104

Bon anniversaire, Chip! :D
Masterdramon - [kmc12009@mymail.pomona.edu]
"We came on the Sloop John B., my grandfather and me..." - The Beach Boys
posted @ Fri, Mar 23, 2012 1:06:18 am EDT from 68.32.165.95

On this day, 27 years ago...I arrived.
Chip
"The next time you set up shop in the biggest state, don't pick the area that's only ten miles wide. Welcome to Canada, idiot"--Frank Zhang
posted @ Fri, Mar 23, 2012 1:04:04 am EDT from 24.217.54.143

Arlo> Some of those back issues of Disney Adventures can be a pretty penny right? ;) I should know, I've bought a few myself.

If anyone is a true hardcore merchandise collector, you could try to look for Gargoyles comics published in other languages. Some of the Disney Adventures and Marvel Comics were translated and published abroad. Like "Stone Cold", for example, was published in German. http://coa.inducks.org/story.php?c=KJZ+212a
Richard Jackson
posted @ Thu, Mar 22, 2012 7:33:13 pm EDT from 1.251.19.150

I bought a copy of the first "Young Justice" trade paperback at Starclipper Comics today, and enjoyed it. When Greg Weisman described it as complementing the television series, he wasn't kidding. Here are a few observations:

[SPOILER] #0: Did anyone else who read the first story get a "Jackal and Hyena" sense of deja vu from the Terror Twins? (I particularly thought of Jackal and Hyena on the loose in the Diamond Exchange at the start of "Her Brother's Keeper".)

Superboy buying all those black shirts with an "S" logo on them reminded me of all those jokes about cartoon characters wearing the exact same outfit all the time (as in Elisa's black shirt, red jacket, and blue jeans), and was probably meant as another one of those.

A few humor bits in #0 that I particularly liked:

a. Wally telling his adventure to his parents: "So Robin, Aqualad, and me -"

His mother: "Robin, Aqualad, and I..."

Superboy: "You weren't there."

b. Wally certain that the card he got in the mail for buying new outfits for Superboy must have been from Superman: "Who else would it be from?" he says, as we see a familiar-looking bat logo on the envelope....

c. Superboy and Wally thinking that they scared the Terror Twins off, and then discovering that it was their adult counterparts who did that instead.

d. Wally gives Superboy a punch in the arm and hurts his hand.

#1-2: Flash shows some of the same traits as his future protege in the weird flashbacks: "Is this a present for me? Aww, c'mon, guys! You shouldn't have." "I don't know if you guys have noticed, but there's a big giant present in the middle of the room!" "You can't possibly think that a box full of monkey clowns would stop us. I can't believe I just said that." He seemed more serious in his other scenes in the paperback; maybe the responsibility of having an apprentice sobered him up?

Martian Manhunter learns the hard way why trying telepathy with the Joker is a bad idea.

The flashback itself was all the creepier by Superboy's half-there, half-not-there involvement in the events until he realizes it's an illusion.

I liked the ending: "With all that brain activity going on, did you learn anything about yourself? "Yes. I hate monkeys."

#3-4: Was a good story with both action and humor (including Wally hitting on Selena non-stop), but the part that most stood out to me was the end. The heroes fail, and Selena is apparently assassinated. How often have we seen a super-hero story end that way? (The death isn't confirmed; I don't know whether that was for artistic reasons or because of Standards & Practices.) And it has the advantage of keeping the antagonists a threat.

#5-6: The new artist jarred me a bit, but I liked the story. More humor (Wally's "Seen it. Seen it. Seen it. Seen it. Don't want to see it....", his plans for a nice quiet fireside time with Miss Martian foiled when she decides to invite the rest of the team along, and Wally's origin story, complete with the remarks on how confusing it is to have two Flashes, and his description of how he became Flash's sidekick differing from the actual events in the panels). And I thought the writers came up with a good way to tell Robin's origin story without violating the "has to keep his civilian identity secret from the rest of the team" rule.

But the ending got my attention the most, with the image of a rogue Superman destroying the Daily Planet building and killing Lois Lane, before Superboy takes him down. The big question: does whoever's behind Superboy's creation and education fear that Superman will actually go rogue someday? Or is that what he wants Superboy to think? [/SPOILER]

At any rate, I liked it, and it's also easy for someone who's not a DC expert, like me, to understand what's going on it - certainly a good trait.
Todd Jensen
posted @ Thu, Mar 22, 2012 7:09:35 pm EDT from 4.244.213.170

Gorebash> Could you post a photo of the noodles, I mean, of the can? :D I've never seen any of these.
Comet
I'm shipping off...to find my wooden leg!
posted @ Thu, Mar 22, 2012 6:55:32 pm EDT from 80.187.111.166

Anyway, it's not exactly Gargoyles merchandise, I'm going to include JLA Showcase #1 which has that JLE/Gargoyles crossover parody. And if anyone can find a copy, I recommend picking it up.
Antiyonder
posted @ Thu, Mar 22, 2012 6:45:01 pm EDT from 50.106.8.26

Gorebash > Fire in the hole! *can explodes* I'm glad I won't be the one cleaning that up. Good luck with that!

Arlo > Thanks for the tip!

I have to admit that a poster would be nice to have. I imagine in the house I hope to have one day a reading room filled with my nostalgic stuff. Posters of my favorite shows and movies, my autographed stuff, the Digimon beanie babies I refuse to give up, the Doctor Who figurines I'm starting to hoard, stuff like that. A Gargoyles poster would be nice in just such a room.
RandomStan
posted @ Thu, Mar 22, 2012 6:17:08 pm EDT from 98.117.206.48

I still have a can of Gargoyles-shaped spaghetti-o's. I'm sure it'll explode one day and I'll come home to a large and foul mess, but for now I can be content knowing that I have a can of little pasta gargoyles swimming around in a red sauce.
Gorebash
posted @ Thu, Mar 22, 2012 5:02:15 pm EDT from 207.206.236.245

Gargoyles merchandise is actually pretty easy to find on eBay or Amazon, since Gargoyles is such an underrated show. The items sell for hardly anything. I never had anything but my old VHS tapes of the show, but over the past year, I was able to get Near Mint or Very Fine issues of the complete Marvel comic series for around $60. And I just bought several of the Disney Adventures comics with Richard Jackson and Anthony Tini's help.

Anthony Tini> I just saw your comment from last week verifying Richard Jackson's datings. Thanks for looking into that, the information is a big help. Sorry I didn't respond sooner, wish I'd seen it when you posted it. It is interesting about the TV Guide comic. I also wonder how many TV Guides or other magazines would have had Gargoyles comics in them.
Arlo
Gargoyles need not apply.
posted @ Thu, Mar 22, 2012 4:53:00 pm EDT from 173.54.75.2

I have a lots of merch, but I couldn't list it all. It's all in storage. I'll have to take pictures of it at some point and share. I will say that I have this awesome Gargoyles comforter that is only used if out of town friends sleep over.
Anthony Tini
posted @ Thu, Mar 22, 2012 3:30:49 pm EDT from 159.240.11.212

Not much, but I have the Marvel Comics, Heroes Awaken on VHS and the Look and Find book.
Antiyonder
posted @ Thu, Mar 22, 2012 3:18:26 pm EDT from 50.106.8.26

How days do you think it would take for Kid Flash to run along the Pan-American Highway from Alaska to Brazil?
Nelson - [nelsont.v@hotmail.com.au]
posted @ Thu, Mar 22, 2012 2:58:27 pm EDT from 60.241.135.241

Wow, I'm impressed! I had no idea there was such a vast collection of merchandise for a short-lived show like Gargoyles. Kids books, action figures, and cards, I knew about. But cookie jars, kites, and posters? Very cool!

I should keep my eyes open at yard sales, now that the weather is warm enough for them to start up again, and see if I can find anyone selling their old Gargoyles merchandise.
RandomStan
posted @ Thu, Mar 22, 2012 2:06:08 pm EDT from 98.117.206.48

Oh yeah...I guess I hadn't counted it for some reason...

I have the 2007 Radio Play Script signed by Greg Weisman and Thom Adcox.
I have the 2008 Radio Play Script signed by Greg Weisman, Keith David, and Thom Adcox

My season two DVDs are also signed by Greg Weisman, Keith David, and Thom Adcox.

And I have that official poster for the SLG comics, signed by Greg Weisman, Keith David, Thom Adcox, Jim Cummings, Elisa Gabrielle, Brigitte Bako, Morgan Sheppard, and Ed Asner.
Chip
"The next time you set up shop in the biggest state, don't pick the area that's only ten miles wide. Welcome to Canada, idiot"--Frank Zhang
posted @ Thu, Mar 22, 2012 1:14:19 pm EDT from 24.217.54.143

I don't have much.

I have ALL of the Marvel Gargoyles comics.

I have the Gargoyles trading cards.

I have all the the SLG comics and trade paperbacks.

Somewhere at my parent's house I MIGHT have a Broadway toy that changes colors when put in the freezer. It's about 3 or 4 inches tall and came with a happy meal. But for all I know, they may have thrown it away long ago (wouldn't surprise me since it's been almost 10 years since I moved out).
Rebel
posted @ Thu, Mar 22, 2012 1:07:08 pm EDT from 69.134.102.225

Since Matt mentioned it. I have.

Radio Play scripts:

The 2001 Radio Play Script (Hunter's Moon Part Three)
The 2003 Radio Play Script (The Reckoning)
The 2007 Radio Play Script (Clan Building III, IV, V)
The 2008 Radio Play Script (Clan Building VII, VIII, IX)
The 2009 Radio Play Script (Religious Studies 101: A Handful of Thorns)

I also have a copy of the script for "The Last" that has all of Greg's hand written notes in it. Those notes are a blast.

I have an older version of the Gargoyles Series Bible... Bronx is referred to as a Gargoyle Dog, and not as a Gargoyle Beast. And Elisa is the middle child between Derek and Beth and not the oldest.

I have a Demona "Evil Shouldn't Look This Good" poster signed by Marina Sirtis.

And, here's some of my Demona merchandise grouped together.

http://fav.me/d3nhbbj
Greg Bishansky - [<--- Greg's Blog of Clue-by-Fours]
"Brave words for a man who hides his face behind a hood." - Goliath, "The Journey."
posted @ Thu, Mar 22, 2012 12:59:50 pm EDT from 24.185.74.60

I've got the DVDs, the SLG comics... a copy of "Stone Warriors Rule!" that I found at a library book sale a year or so ago (in which Lex is described as brown and Brooklyn as orange... seriously, did the writer even look at the screenshots that were included in the book?)... and that's it. 'Swhat I get for becoming a fan ten years late...

Masterdramon> Seconded.
Ross
posted @ Thu, Mar 22, 2012 12:57:49 pm EDT from 184.9.201.106

Oh, of course I also own Clan Building I and II and Bad Guys... but I didn't count these as merchandise xD
I don't have the Marvel Comics and also don't want them. Since I saw what they've done to Brooklyns face I think I would just burn these things if I ever got them in my hands.
Comet
I'm shipping off...to find my wooden leg!
posted @ Thu, Mar 22, 2012 11:18:51 am EDT from 80.187.111.166

Ah, the semi-annual "What Gargoyles Loot Do You Have?" week.

I've got the comics and the DVDs of course. All the Marvel comics. All of the first season episodes on VHS. A whole lot of the action figures (including a few customs of my own). An unopened board game, a lunch box and some random Burger King toys and such that I won at the trivia contest at the Gathering in Chicago. Two posters framed and on my wall. Several of the Applause figures (Black-Haired Demona, Hudson, Lexington and Broadway). Most of the playing cards. A folder. The Disney Adventures magazines that featured Gargoyles comics or articles. The expanded Gargoyles:2198 document written and signed by Greg Weisman that I got for being a winner of the 2198 contest. And... that might be it... Though I feel I'm forgetting something.
Matt - [Saint Louis, Missouri, USA]
"I'm not bad. I'm just drawn that way." - Jessica Rabbit, "Who Framed Roger Rabbit?"
posted @ Thu, Mar 22, 2012 10:13:51 am EDT from 99.92.109.252

Let's see...The SLG comics and Trades, of course. An Applause Broadway (the big one) a little Hudson, and the following Kenner figures: Firestorm Goliath, Icestorm Brooklyn, regular Brooklyn, Broadway, Coldstone, Demona, Stone Camo Lexington, Bronx, "Lion Bronx" "Griffin Goliath" which confuses me since it was clearly based on Griff, even has his mohawk...Why not just make a Griff action figure? I also have one of the books around here somewhere, an adaptation of Awakenings, but I don't know what it's called, as I haven't read it since I was a kid.

I also have a set of stickers and a bookmark with Goliath on it. I think that covers it. I used to have one of the old Marvel Gargoyles comics, but I don't know what happened to it.
Chip
"The next time you set up shop in the biggest state, don't pick the area that's only ten miles wide. Welcome to Canada, idiot"--Frank Zhang
posted @ Thu, Mar 22, 2012 10:11:30 am EDT from 24.217.54.143

Just wanted to share this:

http://www.csmonitor.com/The-Culture/TV/2012/0320/Is-TV-paying-too-much-attention-to-fans

It's an article about how the relationship between show producers and fans has changed from something that didn't exist to something that's become increasingly common thanks to the internet. The article explores whether or not that's such a good thing.
Gorebash
posted @ Thu, Mar 22, 2012 10:10:38 am EDT from 207.206.236.245

I have a Coldstone action figure, that "Look and find" book, and that other book, "Defenders of the Night", with Tom in the focus (which I find kind of amazing).
Not much, I know ^^ I wish I had more.
Comet
I'm shipping off...to find my wooden leg!
posted @ Thu, Mar 22, 2012 8:38:19 am EDT from 80.187.110.7

Todd: Okay, that is so ridiculously awesome that I demand it must happen.

[That means you, Formspring!]
Masterdramon - [kmc12009@mymail.pomona.edu]
"We came on the Sloop John B., my grandfather and me..." - The Beach Boys
posted @ Thu, Mar 22, 2012 7:22:48 am EDT from 68.32.165.95

In my case, just the SLG comics, the DVDs, and a couple of "Gargoyles" promotional cards that the people at Disney sent me when I wrote them a pro-"Gargoyles" letter back in 1997. I used to have a little book with a picture-stamp connected to it, but I donated it to the Gathering 2001. (The story was a simplistic one; it ended with the gargoyles stuffing Xanatos into the lions' cage - presumably empty - at the zoo. Can't imagine him undergoing such a humiliation in the actual series.)

Another creativity demon about the hypothetical "Gargoyles"/"Young Justice" crossover. Goliath somehow stumbles upon one of the Light's videoconferences (of the kind where all you see of them are the glowing silhouettes), hears their voices, and thinks in horror that Lexington really has gone to the bad (as per "Future Tense") and has teamed up with Demona - and with five new conspirators.
Todd Jensen
posted @ Thu, Mar 22, 2012 6:57:29 am EDT from 4.244.211.187

Richard> Oh, that bank. That's a story across two Gatherings, but thankfully Keith got one at the last.

Phoenician> D'you know what its measurements are? If it needs a custom frame, I could check with the FrameUSA Warehouse Outlet that's about a half-hour from my house on pricing and options for you.
Brainiac - [OSUBrainiac at gmail dot com]
There is balance in all things. Live in symmetry with the world around you. If you must blow things up and steal from those around you, THAT'S WHAT RPGS ARE FOR!
posted @ Thu, Mar 22, 2012 12:31:11 am EDT from 174.101.230.22

Gargoyles Merchandise: As a kid I got a couple of action figures, including Bronx, Xanatos, Broadway, Hudson, and a Steel Clan robot (sadly, I only have Bronx in my room these days, but of all the action figures, his always seemed to be the most accurately designed).

I also remembered getting the Heroes Awaken VHS with that video board game thing (. . . and this was mentioned in an earlier topic, but as a kid who saw the show's week-long premiere, I totally noticed that any references to the Eggs and scenes like the Trio messing up the kitchen were oddly missing).

Since then, I have the DVDs & SLG Comics, plus a handful of 90's merchandise from the 2009 Gathering like a few trading cards & a complete sticker album (thanks again, Guardian & Andrea!).

But my particular favorite is the READ poster of Goliath reading Shakespeare from the American Library Association. I seriously want to have it framed soon, its been sitting in its cardboard roll for far too long now . . .
Phoenician
"The suspense is terrible . . . I hope it lasts," -- Willy Wonka
posted @ Thu, Mar 22, 2012 12:18:48 am EDT from 98.69.201.142

Don't know about the Cookie Jar, but there was indeed an animated Goliath bank(I have one). Only had it out of the box once(to take the old batteries out so they wouldn't leak).
Wingless
posted @ Thu, Mar 22, 2012 12:15:16 am EDT from 99.246.8.105

Didn't Greg Weisman say there was a Goliath bank or cookie jar or something? Keith David was on the lookout for one since he remembered doing the voice work for that particular merchandise. Goliath had several phrases when you "opened" him.
Richard Jackson
posted @ Wed, Mar 21, 2012 11:59:26 pm EDT from 1.251.19.150

RandomStan: I have the Castle Wyvern playset, the sticker album, Look-And-Find books, coloring books, a bunch of Kenner figures, Rippin' Rider and Night Striker, Ultimate Goliath, Applause Demona and Goliath, DVDs, Marvel and Slave Labor comic books, both sets of trading cards... oh, and the Burger King toys. I have a ton of those.

Also, I have the Gargoyles kite, hanging proudly on my wall.

I love that kite.
D. Taina
"The story is told -- though who can say if it be true..." -Shari
posted @ Wed, Mar 21, 2012 10:26:11 pm EDT from 74.213.101.133

I have, a few of the Kenner figures, I never much liked them. But I have them.

I have all of the three inch Applause PVC figurines.

I have the bigger vinyl figures, except for Hudson. He's the only one I'm missing.

I have the Electric Tiki Goliath statue.

And, I have this beauty...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8DroSSf8AQ
Greg Bishansky - [<--- Greg's Blog of Clue-by-Fours]
"Brave words for a man who hides his face behind a hood." - Goliath, "The Journey."
posted @ Wed, Mar 21, 2012 10:14:39 pm EDT from 24.185.74.60

Just out of curiosity, what Gargoyles merchandise (besides the DVDs and the comics I mean) do you all still have?

I feel like I am sadly lacking in Gargoyles merchandise. I think I have one of the action figures in storage and I know some of the trading cards are mixed up with Pokemon and Digimon cards in a binder on my bookshelf. But that's all i have.

How about you guys?
RandomStan
posted @ Wed, Mar 21, 2012 10:07:21 pm EDT from 98.117.206.48

Ahem,

http://blip.tv/nostalgiacritic/why-the-ninja-turtles-should-be-aliens-6039138

Hear him out first.
Greg Bishansky - [<--- Greg's Blog of Clue-by-Fours]
"Brave words for a man who hides his face behind a hood." - Goliath, "The Journey."
posted @ Wed, Mar 21, 2012 8:28:17 pm EDT from 24.185.74.60

I really wish people would stop using the word "rape" to refer to something as trivial as a TV show. Aside from being potentially painful for real victims to hear, it's just lazy thinking. Not that I think Michael Bay's TMNT will be any good, I'm officially dreading it, but let's think of more creative ways to describe it.

P.S. I've always liked Fox's Spider-Man TV show, but with age I can see it had problems. Greg, you did a pretty funny job of pointing them out.
Jurgan - [jurgan6@yahoo.com]
posted @ Wed, Mar 21, 2012 4:48:44 pm EDT from 199.67.16.60

Here, allow me to rape some childhoods.

A Typical Episode of the 90s Spider-Man cartoon

(It is a sunny day on the ESU campus. Muscular everyman PETER PARKER spies his one true love, MARY JANE WATSON nearby.)

PETER: There's Mary Jane. I'm gonna go talk to her!

(We suddenly hear a disembodied voice- PETER'S NARRATION.)

PETER'S NARRATION: Best not to get involved with her. My horrible mutation disease will only drive her away.

PETER: But then again, maybe it won't be like that. And DAMN, those jeans must be painted on!

PETER'S NARRATION: No, she couldn't possibly love me. I'd better just not go over there.

(Mary Jane sees Peter looking at her and shouts over to him.)

MARY JANE: (Overacts) Oh Peter! I love you! Ohhhh!

PETER'S NARRATION: Holy crap, you're golden! Go for it, buddy!

PETER: (Dubious) What?? Wasn't I just thinking I shouldn't go over there?

PETER'S NARRATION: Look, just stop talking to yourself before people think we're Deadpool.

PETER: You mean "Destroypool".

PETER'S NARRATION: Uh, right.

(Peter starts walking over to MJ, but FLASH THOMPSON blocks his path.)

FLASH: Well, well! If it isn't "Puny Parker"!

PETER: Flash, I'm more jacked than you. Why do you insist on calling me that?

FLASH: Haw! Look at the scrawny wimp think he's all big! You're a wimp who is also scrawny, Parker!

PETER: Out of my way, Thompson!

(Peter throws a punch…which turns into a grab at Flash's jacket mid-flight. Peter easily hoists Flash over his head. Flash looks down at him and laughs.)

FLASH: HAW! Look at Puny Parker think he's tough! You're a weak wimpy wuss!

PETER: (Angry) STAAA-OP MOCKING MEAAAAAAAGH!!!

(Peter throws Flash twenty feet into the air. Flash lands with a violent thud on his head, then just gets back up and starts laughing again.)

FLASH: Ha! Puny Parker can't even throw me right! What a loser!

(Everyone in the immediate vicinity stops what they are doing to point and laugh at Peter. Peter looks down, fuming.)

PETER'S NARRATION: I'm such an outcast! A handsome, muscular outcast!

(Suddenly, from out of the sky, MORBIUS the Living Vampire swoops down!)

MORBIUS: Bleh! I hunger foar deh plasmah!

PETER: Oh no! My most enduring, implacable foe, Morbius!

(Morbius snatches Mary Jane off the ground and begins to fly away. Peter reaches out to Morbius' retreating form with a desperate, outstretched arm.)

PETER: (Screams) MAAARY-JAAAAAAA-NE!

(Morbius flies through the city, carrying Mary Jane to his secret hideout. He passes the DAILY BUGLE building. J. JONAH JAMESON and ROBBIE ROBERTSON run out onto the street, seeing Morbius pass overhead. Jonah looks to some nearby cops and shouts at them.)

JONAH: Quick, shoot him with your standard-issue police lasers!

ROBBIE: Jonah, as an outspoken yet reasonable black man who knows his place, I must say that's a bad idea! They'll hit the girl!

JONAH: (Not listening) I'll bet Spider-Man is behind this!

(Detective TERRI LEE walks up behind Jonah.)

TERRI LEE: Jonah, Spider-Man is a good guy!

JONAH: I refuse to listen, Ethnic Jean DeWolff stand-in!

(Meanwhile, SPIDER-MAN is swinging between incredibly poor-looking CGI buildings, trying to catch up with Morbius.)

SPIDER-MAN: If I don't get there in time, my worst enemy Morbius will hand-suck Mary Jane's plasma and possibly send her to the next dimension! I've got to hurry!

(Suddenly Spider-Man is surrounded by pink mist and we hear another disembodied voice.)

MADAME WEB: Spi-dah Meah-An...

SPIDER-MAN: Oh go the fuck away.

MADAME WEB: I'm Stan Lee's wife and you WILL listen to my extremely tedious platitudes!

SPIDER-MAN: Sigh, fine. God!

(Meanwhile, the KINGPIN of Crime watches events unfold on a giant monitor with his lieutenant HERBERT LANDON.)

KINGPIN: Behold the power of cheese, eh Landon?

HERBERT LANDON: Why am I here? Why am I Two-Face?

KINGPIN: (Laughs heartily) Indeed!

(Meanwhile, having endured Madame Web's banality, Spider-Man arrives at his worst enemy Morbius' secret hideout.)

SPIDER-MAN'S NARRATION: A perfect place for a trap! I'd better be careful!

SPIDER-MAN: Shut up, narration! You don't own me!

(Suddenly there's an explosion. Spider-Man leaps away from it, web-swings through a different setting for a moment, then returns to the Morbius secret hideout backdrop. Spider-Man kicks open a door and finds his worst enemy Morbius inside, with Mary Jane tied to a pillar nearby.)

SPIDER-MAN: MAAARY-JAAAAAAA-NE!

MORBIUS: My secret hideout! How did you find it?

SPIDER-MAN: Let's just say an old lady told me.

MORBIUS: Very well! Let our epic struggle commence!

(Spider-Man fires a web at Morbius, it sticks to him. He rips it off. Spider-Man jumps at him. Morbius steps aside so Spider-Man just tackles air. Then Morbius tackles Spider-Man and sends the two of them to the ground, rolling back and forth together. Suddenly, we hear another voice from off-screen.)

WOLVERINE: You two girls done foolin' around?

(Spider-Man and Morbius get up and see WOLVERINE standing there for no reason.)

SPIDER-MAN: What? There's nothing wrong with two grown men in tight uniforms rolling around on the ground and grasping at each other!

MARY JANE: I'll say.

WOLVERINE: I'm here for a gratuitous guest appearance! Anyone lookin' to start trouble? Cuz I got trouble… (unsheathes claws) -RIGHT HERE. And by "trouble", I mean these claws.

MORBIUS: No! I must find a cure for myself and my horrible condition so I won't bother you anymore!

SPIDER-MAN: I'll NEVER let you cure yourself, Morbius!

MORBIUS: (Pleading) Why are you so cruel???

WOLVERINE: REH-ARRRRRRRRRRRRH!

(Wolverine unsheathes his claws and charges at Morbius, screaming. Morbius stands perfectly still as Wolverine runs…right past him, keeps going until he reaches a metal pillar that is roughly twenty feet behind Morbius, and slashes at its base repeatedly. Morbius and Spider-Man just stand still and watch him as he keep slashing. Finally, he cuts all the way through and the pillar falls towards Morbius. Morbius raises his arms in apparent shock, but makes no move to avoid it. The pillar falls on Morbius, pinning him to the ground.)

MORBIUS: AH! Noooo! Now I'll never get to be with my beloved Fel-eeee-sha!

WOLVERINE: Serves ya right. (Looks off-screen) You can take it from here, Blade.

BLADE: (Runs in) KNOWING SPIDER-MAN DOES NOT…MAKE YOU…"COOOOOOL"!

(Spider-Man web-swings away, without Mary Jane, because that'd require the use of NON-stock animation.)

SPIDER-MAN's NARRATION: Maybe one day I'll make up for allowing my Uncle Ben to be destroyed by a thug with a laser, but for now…I MUST SWING ON!

THE END
Greg Bishansky - [<--- Greg's Blog of Clue-by-Fours]
"Brave words for a man who hides his face behind a hood." - Goliath, "The Journey."
posted @ Wed, Mar 21, 2012 3:22:22 pm EDT from 24.185.74.60

Personally, I find the idea of completely changing where the protagonists come from, and it's hard to do that more literally than changing their planet of origin, distasteful.
B
B
posted @ Wed, Mar 21, 2012 3:14:09 pm EDT from 76.180.174.88

Antiyonder> But see, my entire point is that the core idea isn't inherently terrible. I think arguing a concept is bad by virtue of the person proposing it is a logical fallacy.

Also, as much as "Bay raping childhoods" is a thing, nothing about the Transformers movies are particularly blasphemous about the Transformers mythos. Beast Wars took more liberties with the Transformers mythos and the staff didn't really care about Transformers (Larry DiTillio, for example, considers Beast Wars it's own entity. On whether or not it's Transformers, "It is, but it isn't.") Meanwhile, in concept, the Transformers movies are the basic G1 mold given some sensibilities that're all inherent in execution, but the conceptually faithful movies are WORSE than the conceptual reboot of Beast Wars.

Which may sound like it fissles my argument, but it makes my point. Beast Wars took more liberties and redefined Transformers. The Transformers films stuck closer to what Transformers originally was in concept than Beast Wars did.

Whether or not the execution doesn't pan out is up for...the actual execution. The argument of "Bay likes to [SPOILER] fuck [/SPOILER] things up is intellectually dishonest when you compare the concept of Ninja Turtles to the more conceptually faithful Transformers films. Bay DOESN'T have a history of drastically altering premises willy nilly. If you wanted to throw together an accurate argument, it would be "Michael Bay creates terrible versions of basic, conceptually faithful ideas from my childhood but only did it once in three installments."

The negative reaction of alien turtles, I think, is less about how people care about the emotional core of their supposedly favorite properties and more about just hating the movie for the sake of it. I'm not really overly enthusiastic about it, but I don't get the knee jerk reaction to alien turtles. If you want to insult Michael Bay, actually just insult Michael Bay. "Of COURSE Michael Bay would sodomize my childhood while making me wear a dress" isn't really, even based on how he handled Transformers, a stance that makes sense. You'd think that you'd worry about the execution of the idea, not saying the idea is flat out terrible. And with TMNT, everyone is going to have a different impression of what TMNT IS anyway given all the different incarnations.

Are the changes even tributed to Bay? Given how much he stuck to the basic Transformers framework, I wouldn't be surprised if that was someone else's idea. I'm not really opposed to hating Bay, I just think the hate is misdirected and given as little thought as humanly possible.
Harlan Phoenix
posted @ Wed, Mar 21, 2012 3:00:53 pm EDT from 76.2.66.78

If it was someone with a good creative background, I'd see the alien thing as a nice creative experiment, but it's Bay. In addition, we can expect things like Splinter asking one of the Turtles if they're well, you know.

And in a possible sequel, he'll probably come across some pot brownies.
Antiyonder
posted @ Wed, Mar 21, 2012 1:55:30 pm EDT from 50.106.8.26

"Ninja Turtles" is a long common distillation/nickname of the property, at least where I come from. Them being turtles and ninjas are a little more iconic than being teenagers or mutants (in the original comic book, they sure as hell didn't feel like teenagers in their original conception).

And there's no harm in shaking things up when the franchise's history has perfectly adequate distillations of that core idea (the live action movie, the 4Kids series, et al.)

It's like asking why a Shakespeare adaptation needs to be anachronistic. None of these things are NECESSARY, but when an idea has sat around in pop culture long enough sometimes going at the original idea in a different direction isn't a terrible idea in of itself. I won't judge the execution until I see it, but there is nothing inherently wrong with alien turtles.

Let's hope that Young Justice show does the DCU justice. I'm worried, though, that a black ops motif is steering too far from its comedic roots.
Harlan Phoenix
posted @ Wed, Mar 21, 2012 1:49:59 pm EDT from 76.2.66.78

But if you can get the same basic themes either way, why not just stick to the original?

I'm not necessarily a TMNT fan, but the turtles being mutants is an integral aspect of that property, IMO. If Bay wanted to change some minor aspect of it in order to make the story substantially better, I wouldn't mind. But this is Michael Bay we're talking about. I think he's making them aliens in order to add his own little "spin" rather than to make a solid film.
Rebel
posted @ Wed, Mar 21, 2012 1:44:08 pm EDT from 69.134.102.225

That anon was me. I'm used to my stuff being already set, but I'm using a different machine
Harlan Phoenix
posted @ Wed, Mar 21, 2012 12:30:38 pm EDT from 76.2.66.78

Battle Beast> It's hard to blasphemize something that was a throw-away parody about stoic turtle assassins murdering a ninja to begin with.

I like TMNT quite a bit, but I don't really understand what's so bad about them being aliens. You can get the same basic themes out of that that you can get out of mutants.
Anonymous
posted @ Wed, Mar 21, 2012 12:29:30 pm EDT from 76.2.66.78

[SPOILER] The female Martians have hair in the illustration, which we know also isn't the case [/SPOILER].
B
B
posted @ Wed, Mar 21, 2012 7:38:28 am EDT from 76.180.174.88

On the same topic...[SPOILER] I thought M'gann's origin was ripped off from Wonder Woman's (the competition to represent their world), but with M'gann's familiarity with Earth, she may have known Wonder Woman's origin. [/SPOILER]
Richard Jackson
posted @ Wed, Mar 21, 2012 2:33:52 am EDT from 1.251.19.150

On the same topic, [SPOILER] I was rereading M'gann's story in the comic book today, and noticed something interesting: how she brings up her "liberal upbringing", and the prejudices faced by the white Martians, in the middle of her origin story. When I first read it, nothing seemed out of place - just some interesting tidbits about Martian society - but with "Image" on my mind, I noticed that it didn't really have anything to do with her story, however fabricated, of how she became Martian Manhunter's sidekick. It wasn't necessary, didn't add to the narrative, and yet she just had to interject it. I wonder if that was even a conscious decision on her part, that even in her made-up backstory (that none of the team had any reason to doubt), she just couldn't help squeezing in one more little reaffirmation of her status as a green. [/SPOILER]
Ross
posted @ Wed, Mar 21, 2012 12:22:15 am EDT from 184.9.201.106

Ooops!!! [SPOILER] I meant question five! [/SPOILER]
Chip
"The next time you set up shop in the biggest state, don't pick the area that's only ten miles wide. Welcome to Canada, idiot"--Frank Zhang
posted @ Tue, Mar 20, 2012 11:25:04 pm EDT from 24.217.54.143

Todd and Masterdramon> [SPOILER] http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=14495 The answer to question three is very telling to a Burroughs fan. Naturally, I could be reading too much into it, but in Burroughs, the White Martian minority secretly controlled the Green and Red Martian majorities. "<Ahem> No comment" Speaks VOLUMES to me. [/SPOILER]
Chip
"The next time you set up shop in the biggest state, don't pick the area that's only ten miles wide. Welcome to Canada, idiot"--Frank Zhang
posted @ Tue, Mar 20, 2012 10:45:02 pm EDT from 24.217.54.143

Masterdramon - [SPOILER] Yes, but the situation on Mars in the show is already different from the comics in that Green Martians are not extinct and there are Red Martians, so I tend to accept what Miss Martian said about class/race issues on Mars, although with acknowledgment of her past unreliability about other facts. [/SPOILER]
B
B
posted @ Tue, Mar 20, 2012 10:43:25 pm EDT from 76.180.174.88

Todd: Indeed. Of course, there's also the fact that [SPOILER] all Martians are shapeshifters, so it's entirely possible that BOTH character designs are accurate to a degree. If what M'gann says about White Martians being second-class citizens is true - which is highly suspect, not only because we now know she's a pathological liar but also because the vast majority of the White Martian race in the comics were bloodthirsty psychopaths - then it may be that they are forced to adopt a less "monstrous" form when in the presence of Greens or Reds. [/SPOILER]

But we shall see. I doubt it's a question that will be fully addressed until we get into Season 2.
Masterdramon - [kmc12009@mymail.pomona.edu]
"We came on the Sloop John B., my grandfather and me..." - The Beach Boys
posted @ Tue, Mar 20, 2012 8:33:52 pm EDT from 68.32.165.95

Is K's idea about shutting down the queque until all the episodes have aired in the US being considered?
B
B
posted @ Tue, Mar 20, 2012 8:19:24 pm EDT from 76.180.174.88

A couple of questions in the queue were about [SPOILER] White Martians. Apparently, in the companion comic book, when Miss Martian was talking about life on Mars to her teammates, the pictures showed them looking like Green Martians with different coloring, rather than the monstrous being that's her true form in "Image". Naturally, the people who asked about White Martians were curious about that apparent inconsistency.

I'm not Greg, but I think that one's easy to solve. From what I've learned, "Image" revealed that Miss Martian was covering up a lot about her past, including her true nature, and she's the one talking about life on Mars in the comic. So the information she was giving in that story could have been false - an unreliable narrator at work. [/SPOILER]
Todd Jensen
posted @ Tue, Mar 20, 2012 7:37:51 pm EDT from 4.244.211.125

Battle Beast> When large hordes of people stop paying to see it.
Brainiac - [OSUBrainiac at gmail dot com]
There is balance in all things. Live in symmetry with the world around you. If you must blow things up and steal from those around you, THAT'S WHAT RPGS ARE FOR!
posted @ Tue, Mar 20, 2012 5:41:05 pm EDT from 174.101.230.22

On another topic... I used to have a mild hatred of michael bay. I liked Armagedon, but when he destroyed Transformers, I was upset. Now, I just read a brief synopsis of michael bay's TMNT reboot... so I ask, Bishansky, wanna help me kill michael bay???

In bay's eyes, they are NOT "mutants" anymore. They are ALIENS. "Teenage Alien Ninja Turtles"? Biker Mice from Mars, anyone? Bucky O'Hare? and since when do ninjas come from another planet???

When will the sodomization of our childhood memories end???
Battle Beast - [Canada]
I DID IT!!! I WATCHED ALL 485 BEST PICTURE NOMINEES IN ONE YEAR!!!
posted @ Tue, Mar 20, 2012 5:04:26 pm EDT from 173.181.68.75

Greg and B> I'll have to look into both of those. Maybe I'll get them for my wife as a birthday present. ;-)
Belgarion - [garion1500@hotmail.com]
posted @ Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:57:06 pm EDT from 216.32.149.158

Greg B - To be more specific, there are two volumes of Gargoyles: Clan-Building and one volume of the spinoff Bad Guys.
B
B
posted @ Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:54:36 pm EDT from 128.205.143.168

Belgarion - That's cute. I really liked the Belgariad. And the Ellenium and the Redemption of Althalus. The Dreamers, on the other hand, had serious problems.
B
B
posted @ Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:52:24 pm EDT from 128.205.143.168

The comic series was collected into three graphic novels. They're all on amazon.com
Greg Bishansky - [<--- Greg's Blog of Clue-by-Fours]
"Brave words for a man who hides his face behind a hood." - Goliath, "The Journey."
posted @ Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:51:58 pm EDT from 24.185.74.60

Greg> Sadly I haven't been keeping up with the fandom in recent years since RL became a priority. The only thing I was aware of was the short comic series and the DVD's. I'll have to look into that.
Belgarion - [garion1500@hotmail.com]
posted @ Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:48:48 pm EDT from 216.32.149.158

BELGARION> I remember you, long time no see. Have you read the graphic novels that Greg wrote?
Greg Bishansky - [<--- Greg's Blog of Clue-by-Fours]
"Brave words for a man who hides his face behind a hood." - Goliath, "The Journey."
posted @ Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:45:22 pm EDT from 24.185.74.60

B> You are correct, sir. I read the series in college and enjoyed it enough to use it. Funnily enough, my wife and I met in the gargoyles-fans.org chat room years ago (Lady Julianna) and eventually we got married. To this day, she still calls me by my handle 'Gar' rather than my real name!
Belgarion - [garion1500@hotmail.com]
posted @ Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:43:59 pm EDT from 216.32.149.158

Thanks for the quick reply! It's great to see the comment board still active after all this time. (I used to be a poster and dubious fanfic author myself when the show was still active. Ahh, those were the days!)
Belgarion - [garion1500@hotmail.com]
posted @ Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:41:26 pm EDT from 216.32.149.158

Belgarion (I take it you're named for the Belgariad protagonist), that's a really neat idea that someone should write.
B
B
posted @ Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:40:10 pm EDT from 128.205.143.168

BELGARION> Not that I know of.
Greg Bishansky - [<--- Greg's Blog of Clue-by-Fours]
"Brave words for a man who hides his face behind a hood." - Goliath, "The Journey."
posted @ Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:35:37 pm EDT from 24.185.74.60

Greetings one and all!

I'm not entirely sure this is the place to post this but since the fanfic site does not have a real comment room that is up to date I thought I would at least start here to see if anyone could point me in the right direction.

I am wondering if anyone has ever written a fanfic where MacBeth and Demona never become estranged and instead continue ruling Scotland. Taking that to its logical conclusion, that could make for an epic story that spans centuries as the two immortals hold Scotland together and perhaps expand it. I'm tempted to write something like that but don't know if anyone else has taken a shot at it. Does anyone have any thoughts?

Until we meet again...
Belgarion - [garion1500@hotmail.com]
posted @ Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:34:05 pm EDT from 216.32.149.158

One thing I've noticed in this comment room, is that whenever someone is in the minority opinion or says something that most people don't want to hear, people tend to "gang up" on them. This has happened to me on more than one occasion, and frankly, I hated it and it almost made me stop coming here. In the future, if someone says something that you disagree with, I think it would be a good idea to check to see if another CR user has made a response to that person that is essentially the same as what you would have said, and if so, it's not really necessary for you to chime in if you aren't going to add anything new to the discussion. Lots of people all disagreeing with one person, and ESPECIALLY when personal insults get thrown in, is when people start to feel they are being attacked and sometimes they lash out.

K > I'm sorry I said "screw you" after you posted the initial spoiler. I broke my own guideline and didn't help the situation at all.

B > I think it's still possible that [SPOILER] Miss Martian could be the product of mixed parentage. The way I see it, if Martian shapeshifting works on a cellular level, and if green martians and white martians are so wildly different from a physiological standpoint, then one of the parents might have to shapeshift into the other parent's race if they wanted to even attempt mating. Maybe Miss Martian's green martian parent shapeshifted into a white martian in order to be able to make crazy martian lurve to her white martian parent, which would explain why she looks all white martian. If we really want to have fun with this idea, maybe the shapeshift wasn't quite perfect (just as the shapeshift prior to the blood transfusion to Beast Boy apparently wasn't quite perfect, since he will eventually turn green and be able to turn into animals, presumably) and maybe that's why M'Gann looks like she's all white martian, but yet she is unusually powerful (hybrid vigor at work, or something?). [/SPOILER]
Rebel
posted @ Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:27:34 pm EDT from 69.134.102.225

I have a theory about Miss Martian's background. I'll put it in spoiler tags in case it's true and someone doesn't want to know in advance, even though I'm not basing it on spoiler information: [SPOILER] I think she is really, but not biologically, Martian Manhunter's niece because she is a White Martian adopted by Green Martians. I originally thought she was the product of a mixed marriage, but now it seems clear that she's all White Martian. [/SPOILER]

BTW, I read Greg B's review of "Failsafe" where he mentioned Batman episode "Over The Edge" and this line stood out: "I mean... who has a dream or nightmare where they are dead and their mind is playing this?" I wondered why that was odd, because I frequently have dreams that I'm not in. Am I alone in this?
B
B
posted @ Tue, Mar 20, 2012 1:52:55 pm EDT from 128.205.143.168

RandomStan et al.> I'm pretty sure that the similarity of the Hunter's mask and Gillecomgain's scars was mentioned in the City of Stone commentary on the DVD. If I recall correctly, Greg admitted that they just hadn't thought of it when they made the connection, and the commentators riffed for a bit on the idea of someone thinking that it was too obvious if Gillecomgain had been the Hunter after all.

Wish I could remember clearer. I should listen to those commentaries again.
Supermorff
posted @ Tue, Mar 20, 2012 10:48:16 am EDT from 62.25.109.195

B> I would like that. And again, I am sorry for snapping at you incessantly.

If I can make a suggestion, though: maybe it would be wise to close questions until all episodes have aired in the U.S.A.. The last episode is out and I'm sure more people will ask questions with spoilers (as I wasn't the only one) and even though you can delete them, the Helpers will inevitably be spoiled and anyone who glances at them. And there are already 500+ unanswered question anyways, so it would give Greg Weisman a chance to catch up...
K
posted @ Tue, Mar 20, 2012 9:02:04 am EDT from 208.77.23.4

K, I'm glad you looked back and analyzed your past actions and saw how destructive they were. Now I hope we can all put this behind us permanently.

"there is still a lot of things to find out in these episodes, especially in the last one, which is DEVINE"

That is the way to make references to future episodes.
B
B
posted @ Tue, Mar 20, 2012 8:48:07 am EDT from 76.180.174.88

Arlo, thank you for your words, but looking back, I can see now that I didn't "react" - I OVERreacted. It took Greg Weisman himself to make me realise what a bastard I was. The damage I did is irreparable, and I can't take it back. So I understand they'll think of me as a troll and the bloke who spoiled their favourite show. I know I would hate anyone who did that to me. However if it serves as ANY consolation, there is still a lot of things to find out in these episodes, especially in the last one, which is DEVINE.

And why I use a proxy: where I live most "entertainment" sites are blocked, including Wikipedia. Proxies are the only way I can access certain sites. Though I cannot contribute to Wikipedia as most proxies are blocked. So I am not trying to "hide" - I'm doing the very opposite...
K
posted @ Tue, Mar 20, 2012 8:44:40 am EDT from 208.77.23.4

Noticed this in Greg Weisman's reprint of the credits for "Image":

"Logan Grove as Garfield Logan"

Even though "Logan" is the voice actor's first name and the character's last name, it still seems a bit freaky to me that they're both named Logan.
Todd Jensen
posted @ Tue, Mar 20, 2012 7:10:14 am EDT from 4.244.210.90

ARLO> Bravo.
Greg Bishansky - [<--- Greg's Blog of Clue-by-Fours]
"Brave words for a man who hides his face behind a hood." - Goliath, "The Journey."
posted @ Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:35:41 am EDT from 24.185.74.60

K> I haven't read the log to know what's going on, but as someone who got into a flame war the first week he started posting here many many years ago, I want to say that I certainly think anyone who's ever been in a flame war knows it's never a clear-cut "good guy vs. bad guy" situation, and it's almost always a case of both sides taking things too far.

This isn't to rehash things. Actually, in my flame war, I wasn't even all that upset with the person the war started with. I was more upset that several of his friends (many of whom no longer post here) jumped in without really knowing what was going on. So I can understand your remarks that people wouldn't let it go, questioned your apologies, etc. This seems to be a tight-knit community, and people might get a little carried away when a fight breaks out. But that isn't to say I didn't make mistakes and take it too far myself - I certainly did. But just some people don't know what's going on or would rather not get involved doesn't mean everyone here is against you.

Actually, it's funny. Usually, established recognized people like Greg Weisman don't let themselves get involved in wars like this, but a few years ago I ran across an old thread in which Douglas Adams' best friend, Michael Bywater - himself an established writer - got into one. I ended up e-mailing him to request something, and he turned out to be the nicest guy you ever met. Some of these people you're fighting with might end up being your best friends if you ever met them in real life. It's important to remember that things get out of hand so easily on the Internet, and once everyone's calmed down, chances are we'll all agree it was just a stupid fight that never should have been allowed to get so out of hand.
Arlo
Gargoyles need not apply.
posted @ Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:33:30 am EDT from 173.54.75.2

>sigh<

I'm finished. Took me hours, but the queue is now officially spoiler-free.
Masterdramon - [kmc12009@mymail.pomona.edu]
"We came on the Sloop John B., my grandfather and me..." - The Beach Boys
posted @ Tue, Mar 20, 2012 2:17:28 am EDT from 68.32.165.95

Yeah, that one was me.

The problem seems to be that some people have trouble keeping their love of a character and their reasoning skills and morality seperate.

These tend to be the same people that want to be their favorite character, want to be the type of person their character would approve of and/or want to engage in hero worship.

For instance, Coldstone is one of my favorite characters in the series... but there are times when he is stubborn, aloof, irresponsible, vengeful and unsympathtic. These are not traits I admire. I think they are generally bad. I do not condone these traits just because I like Coldstone. And I do not wish to be Coldstone just because I like him, his story and/or some of his other traits.

Or at least that's how I see it.
Matt - [Saint Louis, Missouri, USA]
"I'm not bad. I'm just drawn that way." - Jessica Rabbit, "Who Framed Roger Rabbit?"
posted @ Mon, Mar 19, 2012 10:23:47 pm EDT from 99.92.109.252

["When Demona wipes out humanity, I hope she starts with the Demona Apologists first."]

Sounds a bit like in the movie "Independence Day", where some of the invading aliens' first victims were the people in Los Angeles who mistook them for benevolent visitors.
Todd Jensen
posted @ Mon, Mar 19, 2012 9:54:39 pm EDT from 4.244.212.133

Just to clarify, I sympathize with Demona a lot. Even empathize with her. But.... no, she is wrong. And she is evil by any definition of the word.

From my blog:

Top Twenty Gargoyles Universe Villains:

http://gregxb.blogspot.com/2011/12/top-twenty-gargoyles-universe-villains.html

And...

How To Talk To a Demona Revisionist

http://gregxb.blogspot.com/2012/02/how-to-talk-to-demona-revisionist-if.html
Greg Bishansky - [<--- Greg's Blog of Clue-by-Fours]
"Brave words for a man who hides his face behind a hood." - Goliath, "The Journey."
posted @ Mon, Mar 19, 2012 9:48:02 pm EDT from 24.185.74.60

What is it that Matt is fond of saying?

"When Demona wipes out humanity, I hope she starts with the Demona Apologists first."

These people clearly don't get Demona, and the real reasons why she is doing what she's doing. She is not Magneto with boobs.
Greg Bishansky - [<--- Greg's Blog of Clue-by-Fours]
"Brave words for a man who hides his face behind a hood." - Goliath, "The Journey."
posted @ Mon, Mar 19, 2012 9:43:29 pm EDT from 24.185.74.60

It occurs to me that Demona could've swooped down and taken the eggs from Katharine. And she could've raised them (especially with the help of other gargoyles). By the time they would've hatched it would've been 998 and Demona had already established a clan by 997. Surely these gargoyles could've banded together to raise the eggs. I wonder if Demona ever regretted letting those eggs go. Certainly many years later, before Canmore destroyed the last of them, a young batch of warriors would've been useful.

My only thought is that Greg has said before that the reason the Wyvern splinter clan didn't take any eggs with them is because establishing a rookery is difficult. Maybe Demona wasn't confident she could do this and that any of the eggs would survive. Greg also indicated that though all the eggs survived with Katharine, their travels did stunt their development a bit such that they hatched a bit later then they could've on Avalon.
Matt - [Saint Louis, Missouri, USA]
"... And if we did it before, we can do it again." "And we will. Together." - Goliath and Elisa, "The Edge"
posted @ Mon, Mar 19, 2012 9:40:53 pm EDT from 99.92.109.252

RANDOMSTAN - I'd side with Goliath as well. Fighting back, as Demona's done, would only convince the humans at the receiving end (at least, the ones who survived) that their worst fears and suspicions about gargoyles were right, that gargoyles are a menace that have to be wiped out. Her vindictiveness helped produce the Hunters (I say "helped", because some of that was also a result of the political strife going on in Scotland at the time).
Todd Jensen
posted @ Mon, Mar 19, 2012 9:40:12 pm EDT from 4.244.212.133

Incidentally, Greg's ramble where he hypothesized that the scars on the Hunter's mask were so obviously an echo of Gillecomgain's facial scars that most of the Scots think that it's a deliberate misleading tactic came out some years before the "Clan-Building" comics which revealed Constantine's Hunter guise. I don't know whether Greg Weisman "knew" about Constantine's proto-Hunter status at the time or not, but even if he did, he obviously wouldn't have announced it and spoiled the story that he hoped to some day write. And the Constantine-Gillecomgain team-up certainly provided a big surprise for the readers.
Todd Jensen
posted @ Mon, Mar 19, 2012 9:37:40 pm EDT from 4.244.212.133

Oh and, I don't know if anyone on here follows FandomSecrets on LiveJournal but there was a Gargoyles secret tonight (secret #20): http://fandomsecrets.livejournal.com/858704.html#cutid1

The secret reads "I'm not saying Demona was right, but as someone who's experience a lot of prejudice and hatred for who I am, I've always had more sympathy for her and her anger towards humans than I have for Goliath and his 'turn the other cheek' attitude"

Thoughts on that? I haven't personally run up against a lot of prejudice (unless being teased in school when I was kid counts) but I was always behind Goliath's passive policy. Yes, he could be a bit too passive at times, but I thought his attitude worked better than Demona's 'everyone must pay in blood' policy.
RandomStan
posted @ Mon, Mar 19, 2012 9:35:12 pm EDT from 98.117.206.48

Greg B and Todd > Okie dokie, thanks for the clarification!
RandomStan
posted @ Mon, Mar 19, 2012 9:24:19 pm EDT from 98.117.206.48

RANDOMSTAN> Here's what Greg said on the GargWiki:

"For what it's worth, I consider Constantine to be a proto-Hunter or Ur-Hunter. Not the first Hunter. To me, that's Gillecomgain. I do acknowledge however, that this is open to interpretation."

http://gargwiki.net/Talk:Constantine_III
Greg Bishansky - [<--- Greg's Blog of Clue-by-Fours]
"Brave words for a man who hides his face behind a hood." - Goliath, "The Journey."
posted @ Mon, Mar 19, 2012 9:22:19 pm EDT from 24.185.74.60

TODD> That and Constantine was the one who "inspired" the look with his stint as the "proto-Hunter." No one would be thinking facial scars, they'd be thinking someone inspired by Constantine's look on the battlefield.
Greg Bishansky - [<--- Greg's Blog of Clue-by-Fours]
"Brave words for a man who hides his face behind a hood." - Goliath, "The Journey."
posted @ Mon, Mar 19, 2012 9:20:39 pm EDT from 24.185.74.60

Greg B > Ah, too true, too true. I was getting my timeline mixed up and forgot there was another Hunter before Gillecomgain. So it's possible that another person besides Gillecomgain would become the Hunter. But I would still think the dude with identical scars would be first on the list to question about possibly being the Hunter. Ah well, guess I'll let that one slide.

Also, GargWiki should get updated then. It still says that Gillecomgain was the first and original Hunter.
RandomStan
posted @ Mon, Mar 19, 2012 9:20:17 pm EDT from 98.117.206.48

RANDOMSTAN - Greg Weisman discussed that issue in one of his "Ask Greg" rambles. His conclusion was that everyone in Scotland who's noticed the similarity thinks that it's so obvious that the more likely answer is that the Hunter is somebody other than Gillecomgain, who designed his mask to echo Gillecomgain's facial scars so as to draw suspicion towards Gillecomgain and away from himself.
Todd Jensen
posted @ Mon, Mar 19, 2012 9:18:03 pm EDT from 4.244.212.133

Because whoever this Hunter guy is, he was obviously inspired by the late King Constantine's terrifying look during the Battle of Rathveramoen. ;)

http://gargwiki.net/Constantine_III
Greg Bishansky - [<--- Greg's Blog of Clue-by-Fours]
"Brave words for a man who hides his face behind a hood." - Goliath, "The Journey."
posted @ Mon, Mar 19, 2012 9:16:32 pm EDT from 24.185.74.60

I mentioned the gargoyle eggs in City of Stone only because I am currently on a Gargoyles rewatch kick these past few days and was watching that three parter this very evening. So I gotta ask this...

Macbeth was trying to figure out the identity of the Hunter who killed his father, the Hunter who wears a mask with three scars across his face. The scarred mask is identical to the scars Gillecomgain has on his face. Macbeth has met Gillecomgain at some point prior to his force marriage to Macbeth's love. He has seen both these scars and the identical scars on the Hunter's mask.

Seriously, how does Macbeth (or anyone trying to discover the identity of the Hunter for that matter) not put two and two together and think that the Hunter who wears a scarred mask might just be the guy who has identical scars on his face in real life?

This is right up there with Clark Kent's clever disguise of glasses...
RandomStan
posted @ Mon, Mar 19, 2012 9:11:47 pm EDT from 98.117.206.48

So, I just saw this and had to rant. Looks like Bishansky's favorite director is at it again:

http://popwatch.ew.com/2012/03/19/michael-bay-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-aliens/

Okay, I get that you need to make changes when adapting a property. I'm fine with that. But when "Mutant" is IN THE NAME, you can't make them ALIENS! This... no! You can't do that! Just make something new! Don't take a property people have been following for close to THIRTY YEARS if you're not even going to try to be faithful! Why even bother! Just for marketing the name? What's the point when the very movie you're making will contradict that name!
Jurgan - [jurgan6@yahoo.com]
posted @ Mon, Mar 19, 2012 8:57:11 pm EDT from 75.76.235.156

Todd > The idea of a post-massacre Demona raising the eggs to her ideals of hating humans just gave me the chills. When the eggs were old enough, they'd have been killing machines who were happy to obey Demona, their one rookery mother AND leader, and slaughter all the humans they came across.

Yeah, I know one female could not have possibly been able to keep all those baby gargoyles alive and safe into adult-hood but the idea still gives me the creeps.
RandomStan
posted @ Mon, Mar 19, 2012 8:56:59 pm EDT from 98.117.206.48

RANDOMSTAN - I've mentioned this before, but I've often thought about that moment when Demona watches them loading up the eggs. Remember, she doesn't know that Princess Katharine and the Magus have had a change of heart. The last time she saw them, they still disliked gargoyles. She doesn't know, either, that Goliath charged them with the care of the eggs. From her perspective, it would look as if they were looting the rookery. And she just watches, making no attempt to come to the eggs' rescue.

We know that the main reason for Demona's suppressed guilt (which she takes out on the human race) is that she didn't warn the rest of the clan about the Vikings, thus ensuring that they'd be inside the castle when Hakon took it and could be massacred by him, but I wonder if some of that guilt is also over her abandoning the eggs. (Though I think that Princess Katharine, the Magus, and Tom did a far better job of raising the eggs than a post-Wyvern Massacre Demona would have done.)
Todd Jensen
posted @ Mon, Mar 19, 2012 8:52:07 pm EDT from 4.244.212.133

Antiyonder > The eggs were also seen in the City of Stone three parter. In flashback, when Demona returns to the castle and finds Goliath and the others trapped in stone, she looks over and sees the princess, the Magus, and Tom loading the eggs into the cart.
RandomStan
posted @ Mon, Mar 19, 2012 8:43:59 pm EDT from 98.117.206.48

Or, as Thailog would put it...

"Now, now. Language. Manners."
Brainiac - [OSUBrainiac at gmail dot com]
There is balance in all things. Live in symmetry with the world around you. If you must blow things up and steal from those around you, THAT'S WHAT RPGS ARE FOR!
posted @ Mon, Mar 19, 2012 8:11:33 pm EDT from 174.101.230.22

Thank you very much for your comments and your announcement, Greg.
B
B
posted @ Mon, Mar 19, 2012 8:06:22 pm EDT from 76.180.174.88

I'm aware that there is some blame to go around. And no further apologies are necessary - as long as the spoiling and threats of same end.

But I NEVER called you or anyone an idiot - though I described certain behavior as IDIOTIC. There's a big difference in my book.

In any case, I appreciate that you're willing to stop.

In addition, please, EVERYONE, stop CUSSING here at Station 8. We have always tried to keep this forum PG. I don't believe we get a lot of kids here, but I want them - and by extension their parents - to feel that kids are welcome here.

Thank you.
Greg Weisman
posted @ Mon, Mar 19, 2012 7:16:06 pm EDT from 168.161.192.16

I believe you. But I would like to point out that I had apologised yesterday, and not long after that someone called me a motherfuker and a chav and some other slurs. I can infer from your announcement (where you call me an idiot twice, might I add) that you read last week's conversation, so you must have seen that too. I know it doesn't excuse my behaviour, but for whatever it's worth, I reacted because I was repeatedly attacked here. And I hit them where I knew it would hurt.

I already apologised but I'll do it again and promise not to spoil anything to anyone. I'm not a complete arse, unlike some people here.
K
posted @ Mon, Mar 19, 2012 6:45:20 pm EDT from 208.77.23.4

K - It is indeed me. I'm posting from my office on the Warner Bros. Ranch in Burbank. I'm not exactly sure how I can prove it to you, but I have been known to post here on occasion - and you can confirm that by checking the Station 8 comment room archives.

In any case, my request, I think, is reasonable whether or not you believe I am who I am.
Greg Weisman
posted @ Mon, Mar 19, 2012 6:13:06 pm EDT from 168.161.192.16

Fine! I will stop out of respect for GREG WEISMAN. If it's really him, I don't want to take of being a wanker. I am not a troll. I am a FAN. You were the ones who made me out to be a troll with the insulting and foul language. Everyone jumped on me and I reacted. Some were civil actually - while others brought my apologies into question and I snapped again. Regardless, I sincerely apologise for my behaviour. You have my word you will not hear a peep out of me.
K
posted @ Mon, Mar 19, 2012 5:56:11 pm EDT from 208.77.23.4

Highlight the space next to the post's timestamp. The IP address of each poster is recorded there in invisi-text.
Masterdramon - [kmc12009@mymail.pomona.edu]
"We came on the Sloop John B., my grandfather and me..." - The Beach Boys
posted @ Mon, Mar 19, 2012 5:34:06 pm EDT from 68.32.165.95

And how does one come to do that, may I ask?
K
posted @ Mon, Mar 19, 2012 5:25:25 pm EDT from 208.77.23.4

K> I'd also point out that, unlike you, Masterdramon doesn't use a proxy server to hide his IP. You can check the IPs of both him and Greg Weisman - they do not match.
Brainiac - [OSUBrainiac at gmail dot com]
There is balance in all things. Live in symmetry with the world around you. If you must blow things up and steal from those around you, THAT'S WHAT RPGS ARE FOR!
posted @ Mon, Mar 19, 2012 5:19:22 pm EDT from 174.101.230.22

K> Greg Weisman does post here on the rare occasion that it's warranted. And your hurtful spoilers have warranted it. Please. I'm begging you, do not spoil any more. I avoided this CR all Saturday because of what you did, because I don't want to be spoiled. Please don't make me do it again. I am really looking forward to this weekend's episode.
Chip
"The next time you set up shop in the biggest state, don't pick the area that's only ten miles wide. Welcome to Canada, idiot"--Frank Zhang
posted @ Mon, Mar 19, 2012 4:56:58 pm EDT from 24.217.38.192

Oh please. As if Greg Weisman would post here! You'll have to do better than that, Masterdramon.
K
posted @ Mon, Mar 19, 2012 4:48:13 pm EDT from 208.77.23.4

K - Please desist.

I don't really care who you're angry with - or whether or not you have just cause. I'm simply asking you nicely to stop spoiling things for people. Whether you like them or not seems immaterial. You are hurting the enjoyment of the series for people, some of whom you don't even know.

Please, just desist. With the taunting, the spoiling. All of it. Please.
Greg Weisman
posted @ Mon, Mar 19, 2012 4:41:13 pm EDT from 168.161.192.16

Hey, Masterdramon... guess what episode I've just seen?
K
posted @ Mon, Mar 19, 2012 4:25:44 pm EDT from 208.77.23.4

Todd: Heh, indeed.

Margot: Great idea, Brendan. Take a day-trip to Metropolis, maybe get a chance to see Superman...

Brendan: Oh, give it a rest, Margot.

Richard: I was indeed intending to do just that. But since answering questions with the present system requires clicking through them one-by-one and there are about 500 questions in the queue now...I'd kinda rather wait for that one to get closer to the front before I take care of it.
Masterdramon - [kmc12009@mymail.pomona.edu]
"We came on the Sloop John B., my grandfather and me..." - The Beach Boys
posted @ Mon, Mar 19, 2012 3:34:29 pm EDT from 68.32.165.95

Masterdramon> I saw this question (http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=15086) in the unanswered queue and I thought it could be answered with this question from the archives. http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=13695
Richard Jackson
posted @ Mon, Mar 19, 2012 8:24:25 am EDT from 122.199.116.237

Todd Jensen> On a minor related note to an Apocrypha Garg/YJ universe, I wonder if the anyone in the clan would enjoy Hello, Megan!:-).
Antiyonder
posted @ Mon, Mar 19, 2012 7:48:18 am EDT from 50.106.8.26

ARLO - Good thought on the London clan. Fortunately, their isolationist response seems to be changing, judging from the conduct of Staghart and Constance in the Stone of Destiny story (as well as Leo and Una's actions at the very end of "M.I.A.").

ANTIYONDER - I don't think I ever gave any thought to the eggs before "Avalon Part One" aired (though it's difficult to say now, from this perspective). I think they serve one useful function in "Awakening" on its own; they show that the gargoyles are living biological beings and not just magically animated statues. (Since "living gargoyles" in fantasy stories are usually portrayed as the latter, I think that was an important distinction to make.)

In one of his rambles, Greg Weisman asked his readers whether they reconsidered Xanatos' claim that the eggs were all gone after they discovered his true nature. In my case, I didn't reconsider it, since it had been a thousand years since the Magus had sleep-spelled Goliath and the other gargoyles, and I thought it unlikely that gargoyles lived that long under normal circumstances. Of course, I hadn't counted on remote magical places which had a slower time rate than the rest of the world.

I don't think that a crossover between "Gargoyles" and "Young Justice" would ever work (I don't think we'll even see an "apocrypha" crossover like Greg Weisman's "Gargoyles/Spectacular Spider-Man" radio play), but if there ever was one, I think there would *have* to be a scene where Brendan and Margot are caught in a traffic-related near-disaster right behind the "Young Justice" school bus.
Todd Jensen
posted @ Mon, Mar 19, 2012 7:38:23 am EDT from 4.244.209.154

Ninth.

I guess this is a bit belated, with all the fuss over this "K" person now, but regarding last week's discussion about Arthurian history and the London clan, I have to wonder if Una and Leo's "It's none of our concern" mentality in "M.I.A." was the mentality of the entire clan - some long-held mentality passed down through the ages since the time when the English rid their land of gargoyles, and the clan's only way of surviving was to pretend to be humans wearing clothing. If so, then Griff would stand out even more, for being true to his feeling that gargoyles should protect - the mentality of his ancestors, who fought alongside Arthur. And it would be even more fitting that it's he who's chosen to be Arthur's First Knight, basically.

I might be way off, but it's just a thought.
Arlo
Gargoyles need not apply.
posted @ Mon, Mar 19, 2012 6:28:35 am EDT from 173.54.75.2

8th

Going through the GargWiki article of the VHS Release of Awakening (Heroes Awaken), one response that is linked to states that the references to the rookery eggs were removed on order, mainly because they raised questions not answered in the movie.

Not complaining. It didn't ruin the movie for me, but for the sake of discussion, do you agree that the mention of the eggs did or didn't work within the story prior to the Avalon 3 parter?

Me, I find that the mention of them early on gives us a bit of of background on the gargoyles species and that the mention of them being gone in 1994 does help to add to the feeling that the species is dying out (refering to it from the perspective the audience likely had before Avalon, or for newcomers who might have avoided spoilers). So I go with the idea that it wouldn't compromise the self-contained nature of the movie.

Goldeneye (The first James Bond movie I checked out, having played the Nintendo 64 version)
Antiyonder
posted @ Mon, Mar 19, 2012 12:50:15 am EDT from 50.106.8.26

Or was it (7)Lucky Seven!!!!!!!
Vinnie - [tpeano29@hotmail.com]
God Bless you All!
posted @ Mon, Mar 19, 2012 12:39:10 am EDT from 99.145.126.198

(666)Sixth!!!!!!
Vinnie - [tpeano29@hotmail.com]
God Bless you All!
posted @ Mon, Mar 19, 2012 12:35:24 am EDT from 99.145.126.198

Tsk, tsk - needing Google to know the order of Connery Bond films and then still getting it wrong...save Ross, who gets stuck with the Lazenby film.

Forshame.
Brainiac - [OSUBrainiac at gmail dot com]
There is balance in all things. Live in symmetry with the world around you. If you must blow things up and steal from those around you, THAT'S WHAT RPGS ARE FOR!
posted @ Mon, Mar 19, 2012 12:35:04 am EDT from 174.101.230.22

Googley-googley-googley...

Um, On Her Majesty's Secret Service, I guess?
Ross
posted @ Mon, Mar 19, 2012 12:29:41 am EDT from 184.9.201.106

>Googles again<

Okay, I guess I'm just switching off with Chip, then. "You Only Live Twice."
Masterdramon - [kmc12009@mymail.pomona.edu]
"We came on the Sloop John B., my grandfather and me..." - The Beach Boys
posted @ Mon, Mar 19, 2012 12:17:23 am EDT from 68.32.165.95

Hate to be a spoilsport, but...err, embarassing as it is, I've never actually watched a single Bond movie.

I'll go "Thunderball" since that's what came up when I Googled it, though.
Masterdramon - [kmc12009@mymail.pomona.edu]
"We came on the Sloop John B., my grandfather and me..." - The Beach Boys
posted @ Mon, Mar 19, 2012 12:16:14 am EDT from 68.32.165.95

Drat> I misread Google. Thunderball rather.
Chip
"The next time you set up shop in the biggest state, don't pick the area that's only ten miles wide. Welcome to Canada, idiot"--Frank Zhang
posted @ Mon, Mar 19, 2012 12:15:45 am EDT from 68.184.242.67

Fourth in the name of being able to return to the CR!!! Or rather, I suppose: "You Only Live Twice" in the name of being able to return to the CR!!!
Chip
"The next time you set up shop in the biggest state, don't pick the area that's only ten miles wide. Welcome to Canada, idiot"--Frank Zhang
posted @ Mon, Mar 19, 2012 12:13:36 am EDT from 68.184.242.67

Third in the name of putting last week behind us!

Or Goldfinger. Either/or. (Sorry Richard, you're From Russia with Love.)
Brainiac - [OSUBrainiac at gmail dot com]
There is balance in all things. Live in symmetry with the world around you. If you must blow things up and steal from those around you, THAT'S WHAT RPGS ARE FOR!
posted @ Mon, Mar 19, 2012 12:11:19 am EDT from 174.101.230.22

James Bond movies!

Dr. No!
Richard Jackson
posted @ Mon, Mar 19, 2012 12:00:24 am EDT from 1.251.19.150

FIRST!

New week people, >_>
Phoenician
"The suspense is terrible . . . I hope it lasts," -- Willy Wonka
posted @ Mon, Mar 19, 2012 12:00:08 am EDT from 98.69.189.194