ARLO> The point your missing is that Brooklyn will be actively trying to avoid that stuff. Brooklyn in the 1994-1997 was actively going out of his way to learn as much about the modern world as he could. Brooklyn in 2198 is going to be going out of his way to AVOID learning anything about the future world.

It's not that Brooklyn is going to spend a year without hearing any mention of 21st century history by sheer coincidence. It's that he's going to do everything in his power to AVOID being exposed to that kind of knowledge. He's not going to be watching the 2198 version of the History Channel or going to be browsing the History section of his local library or what have you.

He's going to AVOID anything like that, and everyone else who knows him is probably going to actively AVOID telling him anything that might constitute a "spoiler".
Algernon
posted @ Sun, Sep 16, 2012 11:03:47 pm EDT from 212.129.90.3

Yes, I'm aware what people are saying. My point is it doesn't have to be in an academic context. There's a whole popular movie about the Titanic. Surely, it doesn't have to be in an academic context for this sort of thing to come up.

'How many times did anyone mention it "Gargoyles"? Go on count, I'll wait'

I think you're forgetting the existence of off-screen moments. By the time of "The Mirror," Brooklyn had learned about A Midsummer Night's Dream. Lexington knew about the play Macbeth by the time of "Enter Macbeth." Broadway had at least a vague idea of what the Old West was like by the time of "Deadly Force," and some idea of what the '40s were like by at least the time of "The Silver Falcon." Most of this learning happened behind the scenes. Greg doesn't need to write a story about these events for characters to find out about them.
Arlo
Gargoyles need not apply.
posted @ Sun, Sep 16, 2012 9:41:23 pm EDT from 173.54.75.76

ARLO> No one is saying that 9/11 won't be remembered in 2198. All we're saying is that nobody in 2198 outside of historians has much reason to bring it up.

Hell, the sinking Titanic is a pretty iconic and famous historical event. How many times did anyone mention it "Gargoyles"? Go on count, I'll wait
Algernon
posted @ Sun, Sep 16, 2012 9:15:00 pm EDT from 212.129.90.3

Well a couple of points on that:

I don't live in Austria, so I don't think that's quite an accurate comparison. I have no knowledge of whether that event is remembered in popular culture by the people of Austria today, so if someone knows, maybe they can help.

It seems that a lot of people on the opposing side can point to little-known events in history as proof that 9/11 won't be remembered, and those on my side can point to events that are remembered as proof that it will be. And the truth is neither argument is valid, because the truth is it could go either way, and no one really knows. It seems there's no way to predict this aspect of human nature that causes some events to be remembered but not others.

If I was going to try to predict it though, one thing that would catch my eye is that I think (and this is just my opinion) the 9/11 attacks were more of a surprise to the people of America than the Archduke's assisination was. In the aftermath if 9/11, people talked about how you hear about these things happening in other countries, but it was unheard of for them to happen here. No one could believe it. I'm going to venture a guess and say that when you have a large loss of life that shocks the public like that, it tends to be remembered. Examples of this are The Black Plague, or the Jack the Ripper murders (which is an example of the power of shock value, since comparatively speaking, very few lives were actually taken by him). Another factor that I'll guess plays a role is how interesting of a story it makes. The Salem Witch Trials are an example of that, I think. If this were just a boring, old terrorist attack (like the first WTC bombing, for instance) then I might be inclined to agree that it will be forgotten. But there was something epic about how it all happened that gripped the public. The thought of planes flying into buildings, the buildings collapsing with people still inside them. I remember people commented on how it seemed like it was out of a movie just after it happened. Then the notion of a few guys with box cutters taking over a plane and doing all that is almost MacGyver or Prison Break-esque.

My opinion is 9/11 is going to be remembered, and the fact that it already has its own recognizable catch phrase, like Custer's Last Stand, The Salem Witch Trials, Boston Tea Party, Spanish Inquisition, Pearl Harbor, and so on, is evidence of that. But this is my guess. I'm not a behavior scientist, and I'm guessing no one here is.
Arlo
Gargoyles need not apply.
posted @ Sun, Sep 16, 2012 8:44:07 pm EDT from 173.54.75.76

Arlo> Just to put this in perspective, when's the last time someone mentioned the assasination of Archduke Ferdinand to you in a casual non-history related conversation?

That was a terrorist attack which triggered a war that resulted in anywhere from 9 million to over 15 million casualties depending on who you ask, and was barely under a hundred years ago. How many folks do you think will be talking about it in 2114?
Algernon
posted @ Sun, Sep 16, 2012 6:41:31 pm EDT from 212.129.90.3

And that's why I specified that if he's spending long-term time with them, I find it unlikely that he won't learn about the event. If he's not spending much time with them, then maybe maybe he won't learn about it, but if he's spending a year or more with them, I don't see how more and more details can't gradually come out. I don't agree that most people don't know what Custer's Last Stand was. They may not have all the details, but I think they have the gist: a battle between the U.S. and the Native Americans where the U.S. lost and Custer reportedly did all he could to hold his position, but ultimately failed, sometime in the 1800s. Brooklyn may not glean anything more detailed than that about 9/11, but the details that are there are more dramatic than Custer's Last Stand (major surprise attack leading to a major war). At a minimum, I think he'll be spending every September 11th wondering if this one is the one. Which is not to say that I don't think he could be wondering similar things about other events he's heard of. Just that 9/11 is one of them, and it's one for which he probably knows a specific date, though perhaps not the year.

As for whether the phrase "9/11" will survive, I don't see why it wouldn't. It's still a well-known catch phrase ten years later. I don't see what reason there is for concluding that this would be any different than, say, the phrase "Pearl Harbor."

Re Khalid Sheikh Mohammed: I tend not to take things said under torture seriously, and I don't understand why anyone born after the Spanish Inquisition does.
Arlo
Gargoyles need not apply.
posted @ Sun, Sep 16, 2012 6:02:03 pm EDT from 173.54.75.76

MATT> Well said, Matt. Even if someone in 2198 where to drop the phrase "9/11" into casual conversation, Brooklyn has no context for understanding the reference unless someone explains it to him.

It's like if you met a time-traveler from the distant future who exclaimed something like "This is worse than Rynax 4". Without the relevant context and background info, you have no way of knowing what the Hell he's referring to. "Rynax 4" could be a planet, a person or a boy band for all you know.
Algernon
posted @ Sun, Sep 16, 2012 12:55:31 pm EDT from 86.42.122.80

Brooklyn in 2198> Keep in mind that 9/11 is almost certainly just one of many major historical events that will happen between 1997 and 2198. Two hundred years is a LONG time. An event that happened in 2001 may not be as relevant to Brook in 2198 as an event happening is, say, 2057 or 2109 or 2189. And since Brooklyn is intentionally avoiding learning about the past I doubt he'd learn much, if anything, about the event.

And while the phrase "Custer's Last Stand" may well still be in use today, very VERY few people know much about what actually happened at the event. The phrase is more of an analogy or figure of speech than a reference to history. I don't see "9/11" becoming a phrase like that. And even if, in 200 years, the term "9/11" is used, I imagine it, like "Custer's Last Stand" will have a certain usage or meaning for people in that time and that the historical details will be somewhat cloudy or unknown except to historians or those who take the time to research it.

Eyrie Building> I actually ten to believe that there are dedicated tourism spaces in the Eyrie. As has been said, it is a very tall building afterall. And most very tall buildings do provide an attraction for tourists. The curved glass wall area below the atrium may indeed be this place. I highly doubt that Xanatos would allow tourists into the atrium as this area seems to be more of a private park and only open to invited guests. And certainly tourists would not be allowed to the Castle. In fact, it appears to me that there are only a couple of elevators that lead to the atrium and that the atrium, in turn, acts as a sort or "sky lobby" with elevators that go up into the Castle. In other words, from the publicly accessible points of the building, there is probably only a couple elevators to get to the atrium and from there only a couple elevators to get to the Castle. That is not tourist friendly at all.
Matt - [Saint Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Thats three down and two to go..." -Sevarius, "The Reckoning"
posted @ Sun, Sep 16, 2012 8:48:55 am EDT from 99.92.109.252

Why aren't we having the same ridiculous discussion about why the Willis (formerly Sears) Tower in Chicago -- a building that ACTUALLY exists in the REAL WORLD) -- was never considered by the plotters as a target?

Why did I stick my head into this anyway when I am in Canada right now? :P
Patrick
"My dump stat is Dexterity. I've been working on Strength recently, but that's tough to do at 40." -Wil Wheaton
posted @ Sun, Sep 16, 2012 7:59:12 am EDT from 135.19.118.10

That's what Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the mastermind behind the attacks, who is still alive, said. He helped pick Mohamed Atta to be the lead hijacker. After Atta was chosen as the leader of the mission, "he met with Bin Laden to discuss the targets: the World Trade Center, which represented the U.S. economy; the Pentagon, a symbol of the U.S. military; and the U.S. Capitol, the perceived source of U.S. policy in support of Israel. The White House was also on the list, as Bin Laden considered it a political symbol and wanted to attack it as well."

http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2004_rpt/staff_statement_16.pdf
Greg Bishansky - [<--- Greg's Blog of Clue-by-Fours]
Here's the problem with most fanfic writers: they seem to think Dominique is a second life. It isn't. Demona spelled it plainly in "High Noon." She's a gargoyle. Dominique is just a tool to help her in her goals. She'll use the form because she changes into a human, whether she likes it or not, but Dominique is not another life for her.
posted @ Sun, Sep 16, 2012 3:24:57 am EDT from 24.185.74.60

Yeah I agree he wouldn't be letting tourists up to the castle. But I think that's the purpose the atrium serves, to let tourists come as close as they can to the highest vantage point in the world. Possibly the level below that with the arched windows too.

I think a lot of the stuff that's been said about the motivations of the terrorists since it happened is largely conjecture. What the 9/11 commission wrote makes sense, but that isn't the same thing as proving for a fact that that was their motivation. And that commission has also been widely criticized. Not necessarily taking a side there, but just saying I don't think anyone can safely presume to know what was going on in the minds of the terrorists.
Arlo
posted @ Sun, Sep 16, 2012 2:21:58 am EDT from 173.54.75.76

Considering the gargoyle factor, I don't think Xanatos would allow tourists into his home. He lives there, his family lives there, the gargoyles live there. It would be a major security risk, especially considering the enemies they have.

And, from the 9/11 Memorial FAQ, and this is based on material from the 9/11 Commission (hard read but an interesting one):

"The Twin Towers, as the centerpieces of the World
Trade Center, symbolized globalization and America's economic power and prosperity.
The Pentagon, as the headquarters for the U.S. Department of Defense, serves as a
symbol of American military power. It is thought that Flight 93 was headed to the Capitol
building, the center of American legislative government.

Al-Qaeda hoped that, by attacking these symbols of American power, they would promote
widespread fear throughout the country and severely weaken the United States' standing
in the world community, ultimately supporting their political and religious goals in the
Middle East and Muslim World."

Conversly, as I said earlier, the Eyrie is the headquarters of one corporation (they may rent out floors, good call Arlo) but it is not the same thing. Doesn't serve the same function. It's really a monument to one man (or so the world at large thinks) and Xanatos Enterprises is not a publicly traded company.
Greg Bishansky - [<--- Greg's Blog of Clue-by-Fours]
Here's the problem with most fanfic writers: they seem to think Dominique is a second life. It isn't. Demona spelled it plainly in "High Noon." She's a gargoyle. Dominique is just a tool to help her in her goals. She'll use the form because she changes into a human, whether she likes it or not, but Dominique is not another life for her.
posted @ Sun, Sep 16, 2012 1:34:07 am EDT from 24.185.74.60

Greg B.> I'm sorry for your loss also.

A couple of points about this discussion:

Was the WTC being selected really meant to be an attack on our economy? No one can really know for sure what was going through the terrorists' minds. I'm sure the economy was an issue, but I tend to think that also being the tallest buildings in New York and being a major icon of New York had to be a factor too. And I don't see how it's possible for another world's tallest building to be built in New York without taking that iconic role over. Sort of like how once the towers were built, the Empire State Building was still a big icon... but not quite as big as the towers. The new world's tallest always takes over as major icon.

Are we sure the Eyrie building isn't a tourist attraction? Most of the privately-owned elite-class buildings try to open themselves up as tourist attractions in some way, shape, or form, because they know that helps establish themselves as an icon, which, in turn, increases their value. Trump Tower and Olympic Tower, which was in some ways its predecessor, both invite tourists to visit and walk through their atriums. They haven't quite managed to establish themselves as tourist spots in my opinion, but the intent is there. With the fact that the Eyrie building is now the tallest building in the world, I find it difficult to believe it hasn't tried to open it up to tourists. Indeed, I think there would be great resistance from all the people who wanted to see the view from the world's tallest building and couldn't. Building the world's tallest building and not letting people up there just doesn't seem to happen. And there do seem to be clear "touristy" sites in the building, like the giant atrium which is directly under the castle, and there also seems to be what I can only guess is a "looking-area" with arched windows directly below that. I'm just not sure that I can believe it isn't a tourist attraction.

With regards to the building only being used to house company offices, I think it's extremely unlikely that any privately-owned corporation could be able to finance the construction of a world's tallest building without renting out a lot of office space at least. I'm not sure whether Weisman has gone on record saying that the building ONLY houses the company's offices, but if he has, I think that's something he would need to rethink before he explored that area any further in the canon.
Arlo
posted @ Sun, Sep 16, 2012 1:09:35 am EDT from 173.54.75.76

I think as a notable building in one of the largest cities in the US, and in the city that was recently devastated by an attack, The Eyrie building would be on a list of potential targets such that the US government and Xanatos's private security would have concerns in the aftermath. The Statue of Liberty and Empire Stare Building would be higher on said list due to their age and added symbolism, but if you want to dispute that *the tallest building in the world* would be on the list at all, we'll have to agree to disagree.
J29
"My name is Virginia. And I live on the edge of the forest."
posted @ Sat, Sep 15, 2012 10:59:47 pm EDT from 184.12.122.193

Yeah, but it won't be a terrorist target. For all the reasons I mentioned. The Empire State Building and the Statue of Liberty are far more likely.
Greg Bishansky - [<--- Greg's Blog of Clue-by-Fours]
Here's the problem with most fanfic writers: they seem to think Dominique is a second life. It isn't. Demona spelled it plainly in "High Noon." She's a gargoyle. Dominique is just a tool to help her in her goals. She'll use the form because she changes into a human, whether she likes it or not, but Dominique is not another life for her.
posted @ Sat, Sep 15, 2012 10:13:03 pm EDT from 24.185.74.60

I don't think Xanatos has an open door policy but if it's the tallest building in the world people are gonna walk over to it and take pictures outside and ride by in bus tours etc.
J29
"My name is Virginia. And I live on the edge of the forest."
posted @ Sat, Sep 15, 2012 10:11:56 pm EDT from 184.12.122.193

Ugh, typo.

I don't think it's a tourist destination, the thing is definitely private property.

The gargoyles live there, Xanatos and his family live there. It's a private residence and considering the gargoyle presence, yeah... I don't see tourists being let in for a very, very long time.
Greg Bishansky - [<--- Greg's Blog of Clue-by-Fours]
Here's the problem with most fanfic writers: they seem to think Dominique is a second life. It isn't. Demona spelled it plainly in "High Noon." She's a gargoyle. Dominique is just a tool to help her in her goals. She'll use the form because she changes into a human, whether she likes it or not, but Dominique is not another life for her.
posted @ Sat, Sep 15, 2012 10:07:17 pm EDT from 24.185.74.60

<< With the Eyrie I'm assuming being a tourist destination and having inherited that moniker I could see there being security concerns and general worry.>>

Is don't think it's a tourist destination, the thing is definitely private property.

But yes, Greg has said he plans to address 9/11 once he gets to 2001. But we're obviously a long way away.
Greg Bishansky - [<--- Greg's Blog of Clue-by-Fours]
Here's the problem with most fanfic writers: they seem to think Dominique is a second life. It isn't. Demona spelled it plainly in "High Noon." She's a gargoyle. Dominique is just a tool to help her in her goals. She'll use the form because she changes into a human, whether she likes it or not, but Dominique is not another life for her.
posted @ Sat, Sep 15, 2012 10:05:24 pm EDT from 24.185.74.60

Greg, I'm very sorry for your loss.

What I meant in my last post was that regardless of Brooklyn's knowledge in the future, if we see the main plotlines of Gargoyles progress into 2001 then the attacks would need to be addressed in some way in the "present" because of where the series is set and who the characters are.

You do have a point about the Eyrie building. I was thinking of it in terms of the Towers having at one point been the tallest building in the world and a notable piece of architecture. With the Eyrie I'm assuming being a tourist destination and having inherited that moniker I could see there being security concerns and general worry.
J29
"My name is Virginia. And I live on the edge of the forest."
posted @ Sat, Sep 15, 2012 10:00:53 pm EDT from 184.12.122.193

J29> I live half an hour outside of Manhattan, and I know people who died in the attacks. That being said, almost two hundred years in the future... with a cast who most of whom weren't even alive at the time, I can see Brooklyn successfully avoiding that knowledge.

And, once again... because this has been addressed in this comment room before, but the Eyrie Building was unlikely to be on the list of targets. The reason the World Trade Center was targeted was because it pretty much represented our economy, it was right next to Wall Street. It was an attack on our economy, not an attack on two really, really tall buildings because they happened to be tall. Just as the attack on the Pentagon was an attack on our military.

The Eyrie Building is the personal property of one man and the corporate headquarters for a company that isn't even publicly traded. Not the same thing at all.

Owen likely won't mention it. Demona likely doesn't give a crap. And Nokkar... he's had to worry about far bigger things.
Greg Bishansky - [<--- Greg's Blog of Clue-by-Fours]
Here's the problem with most fanfic writers: they seem to think Dominique is a second life. It isn't. Demona spelled it plainly in "High Noon." She's a gargoyle. Dominique is just a tool to help her in her goals. She'll use the form because she changes into a human, whether she likes it or not, but Dominique is not another life for her.
posted @ Sat, Sep 15, 2012 9:20:24 pm EDT from 24.185.74.60

Regardless of Brooklyn and the future, as someone who lives within a couple hours of NYC, and personally knows someone who literally worked across the street from the Towers in 2001, I can't fathom 9/11 not being addressed in some fashion. The main cast live *in* Manhattan, many in a building that would have been high on the list of potential future targets. Elisa is a police officer. This was a huge horrific event that took place in their backyard. For them not to go through some process of grief and trauma would seem unnatural to me, even or especially if they were away from the city at the time.
J29
"My name is Virginia. And I live on the edge of the forest."
posted @ Sat, Sep 15, 2012 7:55:09 pm EDT from 184.12.122.193

Those responses were from back in 2002, and the questions were both posted within half a month of the actual incident. Things may have changed.
Supermorff
posted @ Sat, Sep 15, 2012 4:23:19 pm EDT from 86.182.150.42

Regarding the towers >

In previous Ask Greg responses...
(particularly http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=722
and http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=2848 )

Greg states that he would address the towers if he had an interesting story that it would be relevant to (admittedly, he has the same general philosophy about most things when asked if he's talk about X, Y, or Z), and that if he could do it in a tasteful and respectful way to the people that were lost at the time and what it represents, etc.

All that said, i don't think Puck would care enough about it (unless it served some purpose) to just bring them back.. and i don't see how he could bring it back and still keep it tasteful (it runs the risk of turning in to "hey look, people died, and poof we're bring it back like it never happened before, so let's not bother remembering or acknowledging it).

Since Greg said he wouldn't expect to kill off any of his characters in that event, chances are slim for a strong and relevant story to actually come across (you have Goliath and crew waking up at the night of 9/11, in the aftermath, and then they'd probably scream that their protectorate was harmed, and then be frustrated and not be able to do much about it ?), so I would imagine the best way to acknowledge it is to simply not have the towers in the background but given no story it probably wouldn't be directly mentioned.

If anything at all, the more interesting story from the Gargoyle perspective would be a side story peripherally related to it. Think of the World War 2 story (M.I.A.). The story wasn't about the specific historical events but rather about the characters who lived during that moment in time.

Anyway, that's just my thoughts on it....
SomeGeek
http://www.squidoo.com/thegeeklens-cartoons
posted @ Sat, Sep 15, 2012 4:05:15 pm EDT from 69.255.208.193

Last post was me
Algernon
posted @ Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:39:09 pm EDT from 86.40.3.9

PAUL> Well, I can imagine Owen caring. We was living in New York at the time after all. But like Greg B. said, any emotional display on Owen's part would probably be so low key that Brook's unlikely to notice. It's not like Owen's such a chatterbox that him observing a moment's silence is going to stand out.

Another thing to keep in mind is that just as Brooklyn will be actively trying to avoid learning too much about the future, Samson and co. will probably try to avoid "spoilers" in his presence. Especially if they're aware of the immutable nature of time.

The only other people who we know will still be around are Demona (who probably wouldn't care), Nokkar (Who may not know much about it anyway) and Macbeth (who's status in 2198 is still a bit of a mystery).
Anonymous
posted @ Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:38:16 pm EDT from 86.40.3.9

What is important to humans might not be important to Avalonians, and a lot will still happen between 2001 and 2198.

Unless the World Trade Center was a location of great magical power, I don't see why Puck would particularly care about 9/11/2001, any more than he would care about 12/7/1941.
Paul - [nampahcfluap@yahoo.com]
posted @ Sat, Sep 15, 2012 1:18:07 pm EDT from 38.108.157.107

ADAM> <<Maybe when 9/11 comes around in 2198 or 2199, Owen takes a moment to remember>>

Owen is so stoic that if he did, it would be a brief moment of silence that Brooklyn would only notice if he had psychic powers.
Greg Bishansky - [<--- Greg's Blog of Clue-by-Fours]
Here's the problem with most fanfic writers: they seem to think Dominique is a second life. It isn't. Demona spelled it plainly in "High Noon." She's a gargoyle. Dominique is just a tool to help her in her goals. She'll use the form because she changes into a human, whether she likes it or not, but Dominique is not another life for her.
posted @ Sat, Sep 15, 2012 12:43:41 pm EDT from 24.185.74.60

I was not thinking that Owen would tell Brooklyn about 9/11, I was just refering that there is someone involved in 2198 who was there and would remember first-hand what happened. Maybe when 9/11 comes around in 2198 or 2199, Owen takes a moment to remember, Brooklyn notices, and wonders what it is for. And after Brooklyn returns after his Timedancing is over and 9/11 happens, then Brooklyn relizes what Owen was doing in the future. That is unlikely to happen, but just a thought. Otherwise, I think Greg B is right about Brooklyn not looking to finding out about his past/future.
Adam - [carl006_1999@yahoo.com]
posted @ Sat, Sep 15, 2012 10:57:58 am EDT from 96.3.11.132

LOL
Green Lantern's Nightlight
posted @ Fri, Sep 14, 2012 11:44:22 pm EDT from 94.172.200.83

I called Disney and they think Brooklyn would know the towers fell down, just not when or how. Wait did I get my conversations mixed-up? :)
Brack
posted @ Fri, Sep 14, 2012 11:10:31 pm EDT from 74.179.26.121

So far, how many people called Walt Disney Home Entertainment to request Gargoyles Season Two, Volume Two on DVD and did the calls go very well?
Jonny Modlin - [jmodlin210@gmail.com]
Jonny Modlin
posted @ Fri, Sep 14, 2012 10:13:00 pm EDT from 71.192.166.52

Gargoyles tends to "supplement" history. I don't think I've ever seen it outright negate it.
Brainiac - [OSUBrainiac at gmail dot com]
There is balance in all things. Live in symmetry with the world around you. If you must blow things up and steal from those around you, THAT'S WHAT RPGS ARE FOR!
posted @ Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:47:18 pm EDT from 174.101.230.22

Gargoyles is supposed to be grounded in realism as much as a comic book type show can be and something that big presumably did happen like everthing before 1994 did.
Green Lantern's Nightlight
posted @ Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:39:38 pm EDT from 94.172.200.83

Anonymous> No. Just...No. No way something that big didn't happen in the GU. History still happens. Look at the Battle of Rathvermoen. That's a scottish battle that no one outside of our fandom and academics has ever heard of, and that still happened. There is no way, NO WAY that 9/11 did not happen in the GU.
Chip - [Sir_Griff723@yahoo.com]
The premise of your question is flawed. You were never human. But you WERE heroes.~~Red Tornado
posted @ Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:11:23 pm EDT from 24.217.38.192

Anonymous> I thought that myself, but that doesn't appear to be the case. I guess it could be considered canon-in-training?
Green Lantern's Nightlight
posted @ Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:00:51 pm EDT from 94.172.200.83

For us humans even in their fictional universe 9/11 like everything will be passed down through generations. The humans of 200 years later will have probably had heard of it, but so will they have heard of every attack that may or may not happen and Brook will probbly hear a lot of war stories, but I doubt he'll ask for each, and remember he's also been through a lot himself already. I mean, he faced weekly attacks and explosions every episode in the cartoon. Not to sound insensitive, but a lot of these stories he may or may not of heard of will probably sound the same from his point of view (to an extent). Maybe I need a greater understanding of the character, but this is just my humble opinion. If he had to stop one tragedy he would have to stop them all and his clan know better than to try and change history. I think preventing 9/11 would be what anybody would want, but changing such a thing like that would have major consequences and you're taking a major responsibility in doing that. It's not like anybody in the show tried to prevent either of the two World Wars.

Basically it won't been forgotten, and maybe he'll hear stories behind-the-scenes, but as I've read the whole of planet Earth will be a much different place by then facing a global alien attack and what not. It's probably best not to get to personal about something he'll only regret hearing later.
Green Lantern's Nightlight
posted @ Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:54:48 pm EDT from 94.172.200.83

Greg B.> That's a fair argument, but I think it also has to depend on your vision of what actually goes on in a warzone. I've never been in one so I'm not an authority here, but I always imagined that, even in the extreme cases, there have to be moments of bonding between the soldiers. Quiet rest-up periods after days of long battle where the soldiers just play cards, sit and talk, unwind at least the bare minimum that they need to to maintain their sanity, and so on. In such an environment, I find it difficult to imagine Brooklyn never learning about 9/11.

But maybe with his determination not to learn about the past, and the fate thing that J29 pointed out, somehow it could have happened. And like I've said, I'm certainly not the authority on what goes on in warzones.

In terms of storytelling, though, I do think (and this is just my opinion) that Greg would feel compelled to find a more interesting explanation than that Brooklyn just never heard about it or never asked. I would think the "trying to stop it but ultimately being unable to" thing would make for a much more Gargoyles-esque story. But at the same time, Greg might feel that was being too disrespectful of the actual people who died during 9/11, to try to make their adventure his own. I just read on the M.I.A. ramble the other night that he wasn't even willing to do that for The Battle of Britain. So it would, in any event, be interesting to see how he would handle it.
Arlo
Gargoyles need not apply.
posted @ Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:44:44 pm EDT from 173.54.75.76

I'd still like to believe that the September Eleven attacks did not occur in the canonical Gargoyles universe. However, the Twin Towers may have still been knocked down due to some other event. (Not to mention on some other date and time!)
Anonymous
posted @ Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:33:47 pm EDT from 173.55.4.27

I'm in the camp that says that with Brooklyn going out of his way to not learn about the future, plus them fighting to free the Earth from the Space-Spawn rule, dodging the Illuminati, battling the resurgent Quarrymen, and worrying about the wild card that is Coyote-X, as well as other villains we may not know about, not to mention worrying about internal conflicts within the resistance itself (don't think Demona won't be a source of drama) that even if Brooklyn hears the words "September 11th" he won't get it. I don't think he's going to have all that much free time.
Greg Bishansky - [<--- Greg's Blog of Clue-by-Fours]
Here's the problem with most fanfic writers: they seem to think Dominique is a second life. It isn't. Demona spelled it plainly in "High Noon." She's a gargoyle. Dominique is just a tool to help her in her goals. She'll use the form because she changes into a human, whether she likes it or not, but Dominique is not another life for her.
posted @ Fri, Sep 14, 2012 6:18:20 pm EDT from 24.185.74.60

"Everyone assumes that because it's a big deal to US in the early 21st century, that for some reason the news will remain just as relevant in the late 22nd century...Which is...Not how History works."

No, that's not what anyone is assuming at all. We get that it won't be on people's minds all the time, and it won't be relevant at all. But to not hear about it at all, even in reference is... beyond absurd.

Look, I don't know what sort of conversations you guys are having with your friends if you think this sort of thing never comes up, but among most of the people I know, some level of intellectualism is common from time to time. And I'm not saying that to be arrogant in any way. In this context, by "some level of intellectualism" all I mean is any level of conversation which is above the level of "So did you hear about the Lakers last night?" The sort of conversation which all of you are participating in right now.

Even just by watching TV, I might hear a joke about "Custard's Last Stand," where a commercial humorously tries to call the guy General Custard (with a D) to sell their product. On Beauty and the Geek, I might hear a joke about one of the girls thinking the Boston Tea Party was an actual tea party, and the reason the joke works is because most everyone watching knows what it really was.

No one here is trying to say that 9/11 will still be on people's minds on the same level it is today. And yes, there are other historic events like the ones you've mentioned, that aren't remembered years later. But a major attack that shocked the nation like this, launched us and several other countries into a 10 year war, and had a dramatic effect on how we do security? This is a major historic event, which, like the Boston Tea Party, had a major effect on the country and most of the Western world at large. To NOT expect this to be remembered in popular culture is... not how history works.
Arlo
Gargoyles need not apply.
posted @ Fri, Sep 14, 2012 5:49:17 pm EDT from 173.54.75.76

Anyone else wondering about M'Gann/Miss Martian's sudden change in morals when it comes to her powers? I read her DC bio about her character and it's looking like a dark road for her for a long while.

Also I know Greg Weisman and Brandon Vietti said that they are paving their own road with this series but I read up on the members of The Team and according to the original history, Superboy ends up with Cassie. The romantic in me is hoping for a reconciliation between Miss Martian and Superboy. After all, the theme is secrets and lies. Perhaps there's a secret about M'Gann's sudden darker nature and her lack of morals with her powers. Who knows? She could've have been protecting Connor from someone or she's slowly succumbing to her White Martian side and only Connor could save her in the end. Suggestion: Something happens to M'Gann and it's Connor she response to, showing her love for him still.
Sydni Nelson - [divafairyazura@yahoo.com]
posted @ Fri, Sep 14, 2012 4:24:43 pm EDT from 24.98.30.138

Chip> "Did you know about the New Madrid Earthquake reversing the flow of the Mississippi river?"

I did (and the reversal thing was actually illusory), but then I live in the Midwest where the New Madrid Fault is kind of a thing.

Plus my father used to work in insurance, so he knew full well how financially dangerous another major New Madrid tectonic event would be for the insurance companies.
Brainiac - [OSUBrainiac at gmail dot com]
There is balance in all things. Live in symmetry with the world around you. If you must blow things up and steal from those around you, THAT'S WHAT RPGS ARE FOR!
posted @ Fri, Sep 14, 2012 4:15:27 pm EDT from 137.183.232.23

I'm sure it can be even further debated, but I think Chip pretty much sums it up.
Green Lantern's Nightlight
posted @ Fri, Sep 14, 2012 2:51:37 pm EDT from 94.172.200.83

Chip> Not only is Brooklyn not actively looking for information about his own time, he's actively not looking.
Supermorff
posted @ Fri, Sep 14, 2012 2:30:53 pm EDT from 86.135.191.230

Adam> Owen is not going to tell Brooklyn about 9/11, because...Well, why would he? He's got other things on his mind. And again, Brooklyn isn't going to ask.

J29> Do you have any conception of just how LONG 200 years is? What do you know about the things that took place in 1811? Did you know about the New Madrid Earthquake reversing the flow of the Mississippi river? Or how about the Battle of Tippecanoe? These were Big News items back in the day. You may have HEARD of both of these things in passing...But how much do you really KNOW? And Brooklyn is not actively looking for information on the past. The 2198 pitch is clear about that. Everyone assumes that because it's a big deal to US in the early 21st century, that for some reason the news will remain just as relevant in the late 22nd century...Which is...Not how History works.
Chip - [Sir_Griff723@yahoo.com]
The premise of your question is flawed. You were never human. But you WERE heroes.~~Red Tornado
posted @ Fri, Sep 14, 2012 2:01:11 pm EDT from 24.217.38.192

In regards to Brooklyn in the future and 9/11, what about Owen. He would know just about everything that happens over the 200+ years inbetween.
Adam - [carl006_1999@yahoo.com]
posted @ Fri, Sep 14, 2012 1:42:57 pm EDT from 174.253.139.203

Not every day, but Brooklyn is in the future for awhile (a year or two at least is the sense I get), and the longer he stays the more likely he's going to hear about it in passing or come across a reference in some kind of media. I think the likeliest scenario is him hearing or seeing that kind of glancing reference and having to decide what to do. But YMMV.
J29
"My name is Virginia. And I live on the edge of the forrest."
posted @ Fri, Sep 14, 2012 11:05:43 am EDT from 184.12.122.193

Knowing that an event occurred at some point in history doesn't automatically lead to talking about them in anything but an academic context. Yes, events like the Black Death or the Spanish Inquisition are common knowledge, but how often do you drop mentions of them in casual conversation?

Since no one in Samson's Resistance is a history teacher, I don't really see where Brooklyn would receive such information without actively trying to attain it.
Masterdramon - [kmc12009@mymail.pomona.edu]
"Oh let the sun beat down upon my face, stars to fill my dream..." - Led Zeppelin
posted @ Fri, Sep 14, 2012 7:28:38 am EDT from 134.173.88.160

Well we know using the Phoenix Gate creates what TVTropes calls a Stable Time Loop. That leaves three logical possibilities.

1) Brooklyn never hears or sees anything re 9/11. I agree that's unrealistic. I mean Boston Tea Party, Spanish Inquisition, William the Conqueror-all still referenced today.

2) Brooklyn hears the words "nine-eleven" but without complete context. i.e. it was a bad thing that happened, but either decides he doesn't want to know more, people refuse to discuss it further, or fate intervenes to keep him from finding out.

3 Brooklyn finds out everything and either decides to keep the knowledge to himself or tries to stop it and fails.

I think some variation of two or three is most likely and that's the gonna be awful for Brooklyn either way.
J29
"My name is Virginia. And I live on the edge of the forrest."
posted @ Fri, Sep 14, 2012 12:55:18 am EDT from 184.12.122.193

I remember an old issue of Marvels "Exiles" where the team jumped to the 616 universe ( the main universe where the attack did occur). There was a short discussion about how that NY didn't have the towers. Someone said that the world they were on probably never had them. Of coarse it had nothing to with the main plot and was actually unneccasary but it was a nice touch.
And i Will admit that I notice whenever the towers are shown in the episodes, but I haven't noticed times when they weren't there. So Brooklyn may not notice them missing and may not think about it. But I do think at least one character would accuse Brooklyn of knowing and keeping it secret, he is a time traveler after all. Of coarse this would only be in the initial anger and blame placing phase.
Brack
posted @ Fri, Sep 14, 2012 12:30:23 am EDT from 74.179.26.121

Regarding Brooklyn and 9/11, I actually have a hard time believing no one will remember it 200 years from now. I think the phrase "9/11" will be remembered in the same way phrases like "Custar's Last Stand" or "The Black Death" are remembered today. These are phrases which are still familiar to us in popular culture, even to people not versed enough in the history to know what they refer to. But there are still enough people familiar enough with it that every few people you meet know what one of these terms refers to. I think the same will be true of 9/11, so I have a hard time believing Brooklyn will never find out about it if he's having long-term contact with the people alive in 2198. I would think it would have to come up eventually, even with the people busy fighting the war.
Arlo
Gargoyles need not apply.
posted @ Thu, Sep 13, 2012 11:01:33 pm EDT from 173.54.75.76

Question: Did any of you watch the Swan Princess movies back in the 90s?

Second question: Does this- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV-PXFVuEKE make you feel like your brains are dribbling out your ears?

Not that the original films were Shakespeare. The first one was decent but fun. The "This Is My Idea" musical sequence near the start of the film is actually a really great bit of storytelling. The second two were pretty dang horrible, though also ridiculously entertaining *because* of said horribleness. On multiple occasions I've had friends sit down with me for an MST3K session and *always* had a great time.

This just looks like a "take the money and run" soulless cash-in. With the CGI. And the pop songs. And the *snowboarding*. Dear Lord, the Snowboarding. *eyebrow twitches*
J29
"My name is Virginia. And I live on the edge of the forrest."
posted @ Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:54:07 pm EDT from 184.12.122.193

COMET> Could be, not like Delilah has too many other options. Well, only two other options. Plus, and especially after Thailog, I don't think Delilah is the type who would wait too long.
Greg Bishansky - [<--- Greg's Blog of Clue-by-Fours]
Here's the problem with most fanfic writers: they seem to think Dominique is a second life. It isn't. Demona spelled it plainly in "High Noon." She's a gargoyle. Dominique is just a tool to help her in her goals. She'll use the form because she changes into a human, whether she likes it or not, but Dominique is not another life for her.
posted @ Thu, Sep 13, 2012 6:11:04 pm EDT from 24.185.74.60

http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=9855
Do you think Delilah and Malibu are actually mates yet? I have to admit that I like this pairing.
Comet
I'm shipping off...to find my wooden leg!
posted @ Thu, Sep 13, 2012 4:06:06 pm EDT from 80.187.110.165

GNL: Just search Ask Greg for "Jonny." Matt: Yeah, I figure he means well and isn't really hurting anyone, except when he spams Ask Greg. Then he's slowing down the queue for everyone else. Still, it's a minor annoyance.
Jurgan - [jurgan6@yahoo.com]
posted @ Thu, Sep 13, 2012 6:39:18 am EDT from 75.76.235.156

@Matt - his IP is always the same, and seems to have been so for the past few years, and it doesn't look like a proxy unlike our recent flamer's (and mine incidentally but I use a reg. VPN) so that is why I am inclined to agree with you, on all counts.
FTBM2010
posted @ Thu, Sep 13, 2012 12:55:58 am EDT from 74.115.160.196

I think Johnny has some sort of mental handicap. I think he is harmless. He repeats himself and preaches to the choir, sure, but it is no big deal. I think a lot of you should lay off of him. I don't think he is intentionally trying to irritate anyone or troll the Comment Room. His comments have been redundant, but never mean or aggressive or condescending. He has never personally attacked anyone in the Comment Room or lost his temper. And he has never given up on Gargoyles.

Frankly, from a certain point of view, he is a wonderful Gargoyles fan and thus should be quite welcome here.

And if you don't see it that way, just ignore him.
Matt - [Saint Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Thats three down and two to go..." -Sevarius, "The Reckoning"
posted @ Thu, Sep 13, 2012 12:30:53 am EDT from 99.92.109.252

Is it spamming or aspergers/something like that? I haven't been lurking long enough to tell the difference. I was just assuming the latter.
FTBM2010
posted @ Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:40:56 pm EDT from 74.115.160.196

I checked the site's search engine and I found his questions, but haven't found the ones with the amusing answers.
Green Lantern's Nightlight
posted @ Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:25:50 pm EDT from 94.172.200.83

Jurgan> It didn't actually link to a question/answer.

It'd be just better if his spamming was just removed. Posts can be removed can't they if all he's going to do is say that exact same thing every time? I'm getting pretty sick of it.
Green Lantern's Nightlight
posted @ Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:14:31 pm EDT from 94.172.200.83

@Jonny Modlin I know this post is futile but everytime you think about posting here, call Disney instead and bother them please. 800-723-4763
Anthony Tini
posted @ Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:08:26 pm EDT from 50.29.205.45

Yeah, he's spammed Ask Greg just as much. Greg came up with some pretty amusing responses once he got sick of it: http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php
Jurgan - [jurgan6@yahoo.com]
posted @ Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:42:49 pm EDT from 75.76.235.156

Greg B- Do we know if we know if Brooklyn is even in NYC during 2198? I know parts of it will take place in outer space, but has Greg said anything about where on Earth things will happen (other than Queen Florence Island)? Has he said anything about what the Gargoyle clans are doing? or the New Olympians and Children of Oberon?
Adam - [carl006_1999@yahoo.com]
posted @ Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:38:33 pm EDT from 24.118.35.68

Wow, I must be really slow if Jonny's been doing this for years, and this is the first time I've noticed him.
Arlo
posted @ Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:30:59 pm EDT from 173.54.75.76

I had wondered if he had posted anything normal. I won't respond to him anymore.
Green Lantern's Nightlight
posted @ Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:05:07 pm EDT from 94.172.200.83

Spread the word about YJ's UK airing (from my previous post).

Can there be a section in the archives for Age(s) because someone asked how old is Mr. Tawny and I believe I had already asked.
Green Lantern's Nightlight
posted @ Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:03:30 pm EDT from 94.172.200.83

GNL: Please, stop replying to Jonny. I know you're trying to help, but it's hopeless. This has been going on for years and nothing's changed. Talking to him just makes him spam us more, and none of us want that. It's best to just ignore him.
D. Taina
"Brave words for a man who hides his face behind a hood." --Goliath, The Journey
posted @ Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:01:40 pm EDT from 74.213.101.133

http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=15783

YJ is aring on Cartoon Network Too. As of September 5 it airs 07:00, 16:00 and 20:00.

There was also a blog about it at Young Jusitce Wiki.
Green Lantern's Nightlight
posted @ Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:47:42 pm EDT from 94.172.200.83

I would like an update on the progress for the people that called Walt Disney Home Entertainment about requesting Gargoyles Season Two, Volume Two on DVD. Did you request Gargoyles Season Two, Volume Two on DVD of when you called Disney?
Jonny Modlin - [jmodlin210@gmail.com]
Jonny Modlin
posted @ Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:45:59 pm EDT from 71.192.166.52

Outside of the main Comment Room there's links to the season one and season two DVDs on the right hand side of the screen. I find the latter to be misleading because it's only the first half of season two and I think it should be changed accordingly. Of course saying "Season Two, Volume One" would maybe be a bit too long so it could say "Season 2, V. 1" instead. If I could get response from the right person/people than that would be great.
Green Lantern's Nightlight
posted @ Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:25:23 pm EDT from 94.172.200.83

Jonny Modlin> Thanks for repeating almost exactly what I said.

Obviously Friday would be ideal, but nobody's agreed and obviously it would be nice to get an update on the "progress" people have made. And Jonny if you repeat any of what I just said then you've wasted your time because you're not going to get anyhwhere futher by just "parroting" what I've just said (or anybody).
Green Lantern's Nightlight
posted @ Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:09:12 pm EDT from 94.172.200.83

Have you requested Gargoyles Season Two, Volume Two on DVD? Which end of the week should i check to see how each person's call went for Disney about requesting Gargoyles Season Two, Volume Two on DVD of what they said and what response they got and how many times they did it.
Jonny Modlin - [jmodlin210@gmail.com]
Jonny Modlin
posted @ Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:39:26 pm EDT from 71.192.166.52

You asked the same question twice in the same post... You couldn't possibly get more redundant than that.

It would be nice by the end of week to see how each person's call went, i.e. what they said and the response they got, and how many times they did it.
Green Lantern's Nightlight
posted @ Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:33:56 pm EDT from 94.172.200.83

Todd> Excellent observation. I might be wrong, but I seem to remember Greg saying he always wondered what was going through her mind at that moment when the tear came out just as she was turning to stone. That would explain it.
Arlo
posted @ Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:32:30 pm EDT from 173.54.75.76

Haven't had a chance to post before now. I was up early Tuesday morning and caught Gargoyles on Disney XD in Canada. Ironic as they're running the episodes in the correct order now that the Mirror was the episode that was run that morning-where the twin towers played such a prominent role.
Wingless
posted @ Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:30:20 pm EDT from 99.246.8.105

How many people called Walt Disney Home Entertainment today and requested Gargoyles Season Two, Volume Two on DVD? So far how many people called and requested Gargoyles Season Two, Volume Two on DVD for this week and is calls going well? Just asking and checking.
Jonny Modlin - [jmodlin210@gmail.com]
Jonny Modlin
posted @ Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:16:08 pm EDT from 71.192.166.52

[Look at how young Demona spent nineteen years knowing and fearing the coming massacre.]

With perhaps worse consequences than what it did to her peace of mind. Note that the Demona from 1995 said that the Wyvern massacre was carried out by humans, but didn't specify that those humans were raiding Vikings. It would have been easy for the Demona from 975 to think that she meant the humans living in the castle - and as she saw the relations between the humans of Castle Wyvern and the gargoyles worsen.... (Followed, no doubt, by a horrific moment when, as Demona flees the castle before dawn and the Viking attack, she might have realized which humans would carry out the massacre....)
Todd Jensen
Hufflepuffs are great finders
posted @ Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:13:41 pm EDT from 108.226.1.5

ADAM> << I also think that is the Space-Spawn invade, there could be quite a lot of damage>>

Probably not.

***

It all happens so fast, there's no time to react. Earth is paralyzed and leaderless when the alien Space-Spawn invades. In less than twenty-four hours, the planet is occupied, absorbed into the Space-Spawn empire.
There is very little loss of life. Very little damage done. Unless freedom matters to you.
Greg Bishansky - [<--- Greg's Blog of Clue-by-Fours]
Here's the problem with most fanfic writers: they seem to think Dominique is a second life. It isn't. Demona spelled it plainly in "High Noon." She's a gargoyle. Dominique is just a tool to help her in her goals. She'll use the form because she changes into a human, whether she likes it or not, but Dominique is not another life for her.
posted @ Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:36:41 pm EDT from 24.185.74.60

And just to show the point, how many of us, upon first watching "Future Tense" back in 1996 noticed that the Towers were not there? Nobody did. Most of us never thought to look and any who noticed they were missing just chalked it up to a meaningless omission in the art and animation (which it was).

It wasn't until after 9/11 that anyone even thought to mention the coincidence.

Same with Brooklyn in 2198. The city will be so different, he may not notice. And if he does notice, he'll shrug it off to a change that happened sometime in the 201 years he was gone. No more, no less. It won't be until after the TimeDance ends and he lives through 2001 that he would even stop to think about it.
Matt - [Saint Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Thats three down and two to go..." -Sevarius, "The Reckoning"
posted @ Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:27:13 pm EDT from 99.92.109.252

I think Greg W has stated that Brooklyn tries not learn anything about the past. As for whether he would notice that the Twin Towers are gone, I think Greg B is right. I also think that is the Space-Spawn invade, there could be quite a lot of damage, so the Towers missing would not stand out to Brooklyn.
Adam - [carl006_1999@yahoo.com]
posted @ Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:24:25 pm EDT from 170.112.1.251

Right. And while it is a very relevant and emotional event in our time, I wonder what people in 2198 will really think of 9/11. Sure, it'll be in the history books and anyone who wants to learn more about it will certainly have tons of resources available, but I doubt it is something that comes up much. I mean think of all the relevant events that could happen in 200 years! Brooklyn may well notice the absence of the Towers, but he'll likely also notice the absence of many buildings and landmarks. And if anything, the change in the Eyrie Building into the Eyrie Pyramid will likely draw his attention much more. Come to think of it, we don't even know if Brooklyn will spend much time in Manhattan at all. And, from his perspective, the whole world will have changed. With colonies on Mars and the Gargoyle Minority Protection Act and clans living again at Wyvern and in Antarctica and aliens and robots and Demona, how much time will he really spend wondering about a few buildings that stood two centuries before 2198 but no longer do. No, I seriously doubt that if Brooklyn even notices the Tower's absence he'll question it much. New York will have changed so much by that time and there will be no reason for him to specifically address those buildings.

In 2001, if Brooklyn is still alive, I'm suspect he will be as shocked as the rest of us by the attacks. And if any of his clanmates ask him if he knew it was coming, I suspect he'll honestly tell them that he had no idea.
Matt - [Saint Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Thats three down and two to go..." -Sevarius, "The Reckoning"
posted @ Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:21:11 pm EDT from 99.92.109.252

I think Brooklyn is going to be too distracted helping Samson's Resistance battle the Space-Spawn occupation to do much reading. Hell, I don't think he'd want to learn these things... just in case he does ever make it back. It would be kind of morbid. Look at how young Demona spent nineteen years knowing and fearing the coming massacre.
Greg Bishansky - [<--- Greg's Blog of Clue-by-Fours]
Here's the problem with most fanfic writers: they seem to think Dominique is a second life. It isn't. Demona spelled it plainly in "High Noon." She's a gargoyle. Dominique is just a tool to help her in her goals. She'll use the form because she changes into a human, whether she likes it or not, but Dominique is not another life for her.
posted @ Wed, Sep 12, 2012 2:29:01 pm EDT from 24.185.74.60

I don't know what he did or how long he was in the future. Call it ignorance, but 200 years in the future you're not going to immediately find out all the catasphropes that have happened in the world the moment you get there. In The Sarah Connor Chronicles she didn't even find out until she attempted to get fake IDs.
Green Lantern's Nightlight
posted @ Wed, Sep 12, 2012 1:45:29 pm EDT from 94.172.200.83

I'm not saying Brooklyn won't be shocked or that he would even know of the attacks. But if he was in future Manhattan and saw that the towers weren't there, I'm sure he would make a mental note of it. Yes he may think they got torn down, but he would realized that "something" happened to them.
Imagine you go back to your old neighborhood and see that your old neighbors house is now an empty lot. You may think it was condemned and torn down, but later you find out that someone blew it up. You would be shocked.
I wouldn't be surprised if Brooklyn felt guilty. Although we know you can't change history, he may still think he could have done more.
Brack
posted @ Wed, Sep 12, 2012 12:57:05 pm EDT from 98.240.99.242

Good, the interesting conversations are back.

Well, I think that 9/11 was significant enough to go into the history books (or the internet, the Master Matrix or whatever).... so at least people who are interested in history should know of it. And if Brooklyn (2198) looks into the history of the last 200 years he will know it too.
I doubt he's not intested in finding out what happens (or happened) in Manhattan while he's away...
Comet
I'm shipping off...to find my wooden leg!
posted @ Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:28:04 am EDT from 80.187.111.56

Yeah. How would Brook know something happened. If I traveled 200 years into the future and saw that the Empire State Building was gone and there was a different building in its place, I wouldn't assume it had been violently destroyed. It has been 200 years afterall, I'm sure much of any city has been replaced in that time simply due to age. No one builds a skyscraper and believes it'll stand for eternity.

And I doubt 9/11 will come up in conversation in 2198 much either, especially since very few people alive in 2198 will have any memory of it and Brooklyn will be intentially avoiding learning too much about history.

I think Brooklyn might be just as shocked as any other clan member.
Matt - [Saint Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Thats three down and two to go..." -Sevarius, "The Reckoning"
posted @ Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:29:32 am EDT from 99.92.109.252

Brack> How would he have known "something" had happened?
Green Lantern's Nightlight
posted @ Wed, Sep 12, 2012 1:35:13 am EDT from 94.172.200.83

Aldrea- that's a very good question that I have also been wondering about. I'm sure if a special issue did come out it would focus on the different reactions of the clan members. Some would be angry, some scared, at least one just crying. I think Brooklyn may have a unique reaction, since he would have surely known "something" happened. However, I think the tragedy would end up strengthening the clans determination to protect Manhattan.
Brack
posted @ Wed, Sep 12, 2012 1:15:38 am EDT from 74.179.26.121

Brainiac> I don't see Disney licensing the rights out to any company in any media period. Whether a show is popular or not they all end locked in the vaults only being aired periodically banning the odd the episode here and there.

(I'm mostly trying to be humorous, but this is bascially what they do, at least that's the way I see it.)
Green Lantern's Nightlight
posted @ Wed, Sep 12, 2012 12:36:04 am EDT from 94.172.200.83

Manufacture-on-demand, darn it.
Green Lantern's Nightlight
posted @ Wed, Sep 12, 2012 12:29:10 am EDT from 94.172.200.83

I meant "season 2, volume 1".

Anyway, I still think manufacture is the most viable option. They won't lose out on money becuase they're would only be producing to those who order it, instead just mass producing that probably won't won't sell very well. Why is this tentative and not other Disney shows. Have ratings improved or something?
Green Lantern's Nightlight
posted @ Wed, Sep 12, 2012 12:28:13 am EDT from 94.172.200.83

Jonny Modlin> <<I want Gargoyles Season Two, Volume Two on DVD. Will Gargoyles Season Two, Volume Two be released on DVD?>>

YES, WE KNOW! Now you're DEFINITELY spamming up the page. ALl those other posts weren't evenm questions were they? They were just demands. It's not going to make a diiference how many times you repeat it on this site. It's not as if Disney owns this site and is going to see this. The only way you could possibly see the rest of the series on DVD is if you go out and buy every single season 1 and season 2, part 2 DVD produced until Disney realise that they have to restock. That's the only way you're going to get their attention. But of the next post from you will be the exact same statement and so will the next one and so on.
Green Lantern's Nightlight
posted @ Wed, Sep 12, 2012 12:22:39 am EDT from 94.172.200.83

Arlo> "Leisure Suit Larry is being remade by paying a licensing fee to the intellectual property owner - a fee that was gained through the Kickstarter by its original creator, along with the money to produce the game. I don't see how doing this with Gargoyles would be any different."

Not quite accurate. The arrangement with the rights holder was already complete. It was set up long before the Kickstarter even took off.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/110692-Leisure-Suit-Larry-Returns-Later-This-Year
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/113610-Leisure-Suit-Larry-Creator-Will-Make-Sequels

It was the success of Double Fine Adventure along with some development funding issues that led to the Kickstarter project being done (as seen in several interviews and the update posts on the Kickstarter project). The licensing is also why they're only remaking the first game - the profits from this one, alongside the Kickstarter support, will prove to the rights holder there's sufficient market to allow them to make NEW LSL games.

I'd also point out Codemasters is not the original rights holder; that was Sierra On-Line (which has long been absorbed into larger companies). They may have been more likely to take a chance as a result as they didn't have much direct experience with the brand - Disney has plenty of experience with Gargoyles.

Honestly, I just don't see Disney licensing the rights out in a fashion where Kickstarter makes any sense at this point. That could change, but right now I don't see a project in the (immediate) future.
Brainiac - [OSUBrainiac at gmail dot com]
There is balance in all things. Live in symmetry with the world around you. If you must blow things up and steal from those around you, THAT'S WHAT RPGS ARE FOR!
posted @ Tue, Sep 11, 2012 11:11:08 pm EDT from 174.101.230.22

I want Gargoyles Season Two, Volume Two on DVD. Will Gargoyles Season Two, Volume Two be released on DVD?
Jonny Modlin - [jmodlin210@gmail.com]
Jonny Modlin
posted @ Tue, Sep 11, 2012 10:51:08 pm EDT from 71.192.166.52

Harlan Phoenix> Well, I don't know what the exact numbers were with the SLG books, but I always assumed it wasn't that Disney wasn't asking for more in licensing fees than the books were raking in. That would have been preposterous. I just figured Disney wanted fees which were too high for the head of the company (forgot his name)to agree to. So my thinking is if the old Creature Comics team get back together, they could form a Kickstarter to raise money for the initial costs of licensing the property and producing the comic book, and from then on, assuming sales were comparable to the sales of the SLG book, the book would pay for itself (also assuming everyone on board was willing to pay whatever fee Disney was demanding, unlike the SLG head). Recall that the initial problems Creature Comics faced was not enough money, and no one onboard who had experience in the publishing side of comic books. They would probably have to get someone onboard who had experience in that area, to increase the chances of the book having sales comparable to that of the SLG one.

Leisure Suit Larry is being remade by paying a licensing fee to the intellectual property owner - a fee that was gained through the Kickstarter by its original creator, along with the money to produce the game. I don't see how doing this with Gargoyles would be any different.

And yes, I am a hardcore Gargoyles fan, and I would also like to see TGC released on DVD. Not as much as I want S2V2, but still.
Arlo
Gargoyles need not apply.
posted @ Tue, Sep 11, 2012 10:42:05 pm EDT from 173.54.75.76

Did a lot of people call Disney to request Gargoyles Season Two, Volume Two on DVD? How are calls going for Disney about requesting Gargoyles Season Two, Volume Two on DVD?
Jonny Modlin - [jmodlin210@gmail.com]
Jonny Modlin
posted @ Tue, Sep 11, 2012 10:04:33 pm EDT from 71.192.166.52

Kickstarter> Is money really an object in getting Gargoyles back? I suppose interest in the brand and available resources sort of overlap, but I don't really know how a Kickstarter could help.

Even if it was somehow legal without the direct permission of Disney, it feels more like a short term solution than a long one. Finding funding to get a Gargoyles product created would just run into the same problems that the SLG books did: handling licensing fees. And how would a Kickstarter be able to maintain some basis for that? I'm no businessman or economist, but raising money to produce/license something and then continually asking for license renewal money seems less like a product worth selling and more like a product that'd be more trouble than it was worth.

Adam>"And Jonny, not one of us who is a true Gargoyles fan wants to see TGC out on DVD."

Would you happen to have a full rubric on what makes someone a true fan of something, or does it vary from property to property? That seems like a lot of lists to keep track of.
Harlan Phoenix
posted @ Tue, Sep 11, 2012 9:50:15 pm EDT from 76.2.70.200

Neill> Believe me, I've been watching Kickstarter with great interest ever since Double Fine Adventure went completely nuts. Also, the success of JORDAN Weisman in creating a new Shadowrun game amused me for obvious reasons.

But you're right. Disney owns the rights and attempts by those with corporate backing to get something going have fared very poorly - and that's assuming Disney would even allow it. Stuff like Leisure Suit Larry, Double Fine Adventure, Shadowrun Returns, Wasteland 2, or SpaceVenture (my personal big one) all are done either with permission from the rights holders or actually by original creators who have regained the rights. As such, I very much doubt Kickstarter is in the (immediate) future for Gargoyles.
Brainiac - [OSUBrainiac at gmail dot com]
There is balance in all things. Live in symmetry with the world around you. If you must blow things up and steal from those around you, THAT'S WHAT RPGS ARE FOR!
posted @ Tue, Sep 11, 2012 9:41:10 pm EDT from 174.101.230.22

I'm checking out new projects on Kickstarter every once in a while and I guess you all know Kickstarter and what it's about. So a few days ago I checked there again and found a project called "Through the Fire" and it's a project by Michael Dorn. Basically he want's to film a new movie with some of his Star Trek fellows, Marina Sirtis seems to be part of it, too. Then I thought "well, maybe... maybe you know if we could get Gargoyles on Kickstarter?...". There are a bunch of already existing franchises beeing >rebooted< through the help of Kickstarter like Giana Sisters or Leisure Suit Larry both of which are video games, though I don't think this matters much. If there are enough fans willing to pledge why couldn't this work out with Gargoyles, in which form whatsoever?

Unfortunately I guess I'm being to naive here and Greg is most likely not in a position where he can just try starting a project without Disney agreeing. And Disney would make themselves look like idiots, like a multi billion dollar company can't finance their own properties, regardless whether they or Greg start the project. SLG... oh well, Disney doesn't want to let get out how much license fees cost...

Maybe this was already suggested?! I'm not checking out the comment room as often as I was used to be. :(

Now that I answered all the questions myself, I guess I'm just listening to that new ZZ Top record again. :)
Neill
posted @ Tue, Sep 11, 2012 9:22:04 pm EDT from 87.151.98.120

GBH> 'Don't make yourself look stupider' was an observation, not an insult. You. Look. Stupid. When. You. Troll. Because Trolls are inherently stupid. And all you do when you troll is look stupid. I did not say you ARE stupid. I said you LOOK stupid. Which is true.

And you do not know me. Because the only people who REALLY know me here are [SPOILER] Todd, Matt, Brainiac, Taina, Masterdramon, Algernon, and GXB. [/SPOILER] And you are none of those.
Chip - [Sir_Griff723@yahoo.com]
The premise of your question is flawed. You were never human. But you WERE heroes.~~Red Tornado
posted @ Tue, Sep 11, 2012 9:16:23 pm EDT from 24.217.38.192

How many people requested Gargoyles Season Two, Volume Two on DVD and called Disney today? Is the call going very well?
Jonny Modlin - [jmodlin210@gmail.com]
Jonny Modlin
posted @ Tue, Sep 11, 2012 9:01:09 pm EDT from 71.192.166.52

LOL I was also thinking it could be Jonny Modlin, but how is it possible that he posts something not containing the phrase "Gargoyles Season Two, Volume Two on DVD and Gargoyles Season Three on DVD"?
Comet
I'm shipping off...to find my wooden leg!
posted @ Tue, Sep 11, 2012 8:57:54 pm EDT from 80.187.110.28

My guess is that GB Hater is Jonny Modlin without testicular fortitude(to quote Mick Foley). And Jonny, not one of us who is a true Gargoyles fan wants to see TGC out on DVD. If you want the rest of Gargoyles on DVD, don't tell those who are trying to make it happen, talk to those who are not.
Adam - [carl006_1999@yahoo.com]
posted @ Tue, Sep 11, 2012 8:53:03 pm EDT from 24.118.35.68

GBH> So, if someone insults me, the mature response is to insult them back?

Some moral.
Ross
"Oh villain! Villain! Smiling cursed villain! That one might smile and smile, and be a villain! Gooo VILLAIN! Whooooo! Yeah!" -- Sally Avril
posted @ Tue, Sep 11, 2012 8:51:59 pm EDT from 24.14.144.229

Rule #1 of the interwebs: Don't feed the trolls.

Rule # 34: ....haha j/k ;p
FTBM2010
posted @ Tue, Sep 11, 2012 8:46:34 pm EDT from 216.108.232.205

Chip> "Don't make yourself look stupider" is an insult, so I insulted you back. And I do know you.

Ross> I did insult GB. That was the whole point of that. My point now is: I didn't insult anyone else, but everyone keeps flaming me. I insult GB and that automatically entitles you to insult me? Some moral. My beef is with GB, not anyone else.
G.B. Hater
posted @ Tue, Sep 11, 2012 8:34:04 pm EDT from 199.167.133.14

GBH> "I didn't insult anyone else until I was insulted first."

This was your first post today, which is not in response to anyone else.

"Ah, man, GW totally pawned GB... AGAIN!!!! lol GB struts around like he's the man, but he aint shiit. Dude, wtf did you ever do in your life that qualifies you to bash someone else's work?! JLU has no character development?! Overrated?! lol Well, coming from a self-proclaimed educated guy, who can't spell "H.G. Wells", that hardly makes a dent. It's H.G. Wells and Orson Welles, twit."

That's called blatantly lying.
Ross
"Oh villain! Villain! Smiling cursed villain! That one might smile and smile, and be a villain! Gooo VILLAIN! Whooooo! Yeah!" -- Sally Avril
posted @ Tue, Sep 11, 2012 8:27:31 pm EDT from 24.14.144.229

GBH> You insulted me, when all I did was point out your actions. By those very actions you become what you fight against.

I bet ten to one odds you didn't even know me before my post, as I mostly lurk.
Chip - [Sir_Griff723@yahoo.com]
The premise of your question is flawed. You were never human. But you WERE heroes.~~Red Tornado
posted @ Tue, Sep 11, 2012 8:21:23 pm EDT from 24.217.38.192

I didn't insult anyone else until I was insulted first.

I saw the recent activity on the GargWiki. I also remember that ridiculous "pimp" captions incident. He must always have the final word, and it took everyone ganging up on him for him to cease. That's vintage GB and his mightier-than-thou 'tude needs to be taken down. If you disapprove of my method, too bad. I'll do what I must to protect myself.
G.B. Hater
posted @ Tue, Sep 11, 2012 8:17:18 pm EDT from 199.167.133.14

Patrick> Tell Puck he makes one majorly creepy clown. Heh.
Brainiac - [OSUBrainiac at gmail dot com]
There is balance in all things. Live in symmetry with the world around you. If you must blow things up and steal from those around you, THAT'S WHAT RPGS ARE FOR!
posted @ Tue, Sep 11, 2012 8:08:48 pm EDT from 174.101.230.22

Wandered over, looked at this, thought "What would Puck do?" Unfortunately, I can't turn the trolls into ACTUAL trolls. The more's the pity. So back to my prepping for a trip to Montreal, where I shall get to meet the voice of Puck.
Patrick
"A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men." - Willy Wonka
posted @ Tue, Sep 11, 2012 8:05:53 pm EDT from 76.190.228.74

I don't "kowtow" to Greg B. either. We often disagree.

This person should've taken his or her issues with Greg to Facebook, or private e-mail. The comment room is a public place and it's not the right forum for airing our grievances at someone. If you simply must post your grievances here, then at least be respectful. And above all, don't insult one of the creators of our favorite show.
D. Taina
"Brave words for a man who hides his face behind a hood." --Goliath, The Journey
posted @ Tue, Sep 11, 2012 7:57:21 pm EDT from 74.213.101.133

I don't "kowtow" to Greg B. You only have to look at some recent activity on the GargWiki to see that.

And the problem you have is in your method. By being immature and disrespectful you lose a lot of credibility. If you just wrote respectfully and calmly your arguments might not be so easily attacked and dismissed. If, as you claim, all of us here are a clique that secretly does feel a certain way about Greg B and are afraid to say it, don't you think that making level-headed and reasonable arguments is a better way to rally us? Do you think that going to the level of insulting us is going to help us see your points? Whatever you think about Greg B, do you think your behavior is any better?
Matt - [Saint Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Thats three down and two to go..." -Sevarius, "The Reckoning"
posted @ Tue, Sep 11, 2012 7:47:12 pm EDT from 99.92.109.252

GBH> "Thanks for the advice, but you and I both know how this clique works. Everyone kowtows to GB, and I'm sick of it, so I'll take every opportunity to put him in his place."

Speaking as someone who's been observing this comment room for many years but only recently started posting: Yeah, no, that doesn't happen. And why on Earth are you apparently so invested in making everyone see Greg B. the same way you do? What will you get out of it if everyone agrees with you on this?
Ross
"Oh villain! Villain! Smiling cursed villain! That one might smile and smile, and be a villain! Gooo VILLAIN! Whooooo! Yeah!" -- Sally Avril
posted @ Tue, Sep 11, 2012 7:40:52 pm EDT from 24.14.144.229

G.B. Hater> <<How many times has be ended an argument with "Greg told me that ..."?>>

I would assume to back his claim. Otherwise he could just be accused of making stuff up.

I made a comment about the exact same post of Greg B.'s and he said I made him feel uncomfortable so I'm sure this this flaming would be even worse. I read one of his blog posts and he didn't sound like the guy who would run to "daddy" for help.
Green Lantern's Nightlight
posted @ Tue, Sep 11, 2012 7:37:11 pm EDT from 94.172.200.83

GBH> So you'll take every opportunity to make yourself look like an idiot and insult people for no reason? Good to know.
Chip - [Sir_Griff723@yahoo.com]
The premise of your question is flawed. You were never human. But you WERE heroes.~~Red Tornado
posted @ Tue, Sep 11, 2012 7:31:57 pm EDT from 24.217.38.192

GB's Groupie! Hahaha! That's hilarious.
D. Taina
"Brave words for a man who hides his face behind a hood." --Goliath, The Journey
posted @ Tue, Sep 11, 2012 7:31:08 pm EDT from 74.213.101.133

Matt> Thanks for the advice, but you and I both know how this clique works. Everyone kowtows to GB, and I'm sick of it, so I'll take every opportunity to put him in his place.
G.B. Hater
posted @ Tue, Sep 11, 2012 7:29:29 pm EDT from 188.40.105.142

GBH> Nice sarcasm. You ARE as dumb as I thought.
Chip - [Sir_Griff723@yahoo.com]
The premise of your question is flawed. You were never human. But you WERE heroes.~~Red Tornado
posted @ Tue, Sep 11, 2012 7:29:09 pm EDT from 24.217.38.192

LOL. And I'm not a GregXB groupie! We've disagreed enough over the last decade to make that clear.
Matt - [Saint Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Thats three down and two to go..." -Sevarius, "The Reckoning"
posted @ Tue, Sep 11, 2012 7:28:00 pm EDT from 99.92.109.252

Chip> Nice recap. You're not as dumb as I thought.
G.B. Hater
posted @ Tue, Sep 11, 2012 7:26:34 pm EDT from 188.40.105.142

I gotta admit that I'm quite curious who this guy is. Hey, GBHater, if you don't feel like revealing yourself to the Room, just email me. I won't tell who you are. And really dude, if you have an issue with someone here, that is fine, you are welcome to say so in a respectful way or to contact them privately or to just ignore them, but childish attacks don't really help your cause and only make you look like a troll. Just some friendly advice.
Matt - [Saint Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Thats three down and two to go..." -Sevarius, "The Reckoning"
posted @ Tue, Sep 11, 2012 7:25:13 pm EDT from 99.92.109.252

G.B. Hater> <<Last time I checked, this was not a young justice forum.>>

Then why bother making the comment about the show being axed? What other show could you be referring to?
Green Lantern's Nightlight
posted @ Tue, Sep 11, 2012 7:24:37 pm EDT from 94.172.200.83

Oh great. GB's groupie comes to the rescue. Nice try though. And I know we discuss Young Justice. Read the posts. Comet questioned my claim of being a frequent user because I wished young justice to be axed and I pointed out that this is not a yjustice forum, so just because i post here, i don't have to like the show.

And the only coward here is Bishansky who ran to daddy for help. And you're a bunch of hypocrites. You despise GB'a self-righteous arrogance as much as i do, but you'll take every chance to defend him if that means you'll earn points by him. He gets off on that shiit. The only reason why people give a crap about his opinion is because he's buddy buddy with Weisman. How many times has be ended an argument with "Greg told me that ..."?
G.B. Hater
posted @ Tue, Sep 11, 2012 7:23:09 pm EDT from 188.40.105.142

GBH> Let's see...You showed up here with only one purpose...To mock and make fun of someone. Greg W said in a response something to GXB that he disagreed with, and you took that as an open invitation to declare in this CR that you were so glad that GW was putting GXB in his proverbial place. Which had nothing to do with the current discussion at had, and was solely meant to piss off GXB, who, quite frankly, doesn't care what you think.

Then Greg Weisman SAW your BS, and called you out on it, stepping in to defend someone he considers a friend. And you escalated. All you proved is that you are a troll and an ass, and every post you put in here makes you look like more of an idiot. Clearly, you don't frequent this room as you claimed, and just as clearly you only desire to troll someone who doesn't give a crap. Quit now, while you are behind. Don't make yourself look stupider.
Chip - [Sir_Griff723@yahoo.com]
The premise of your question is flawed. You were never human. But you WERE heroes.~~Red Tornado
posted @ Tue, Sep 11, 2012 7:23:02 pm EDT from 24.217.38.192

GBH: If you're going to work up the nerve to insult Greg Weisman in a public forum, why not go all the way and show us who you really are? Otherwise, these little insults of yours mean nothing and frankly, they make you look cowardly. It's very easy to insult someone (especially someone like Greg Weisman) and hide behind a mask. Come on, stand up for what you believe in and give us a name.

And by the way, we usually discuss all of Weisman's shows here, so I don't know where you got the idea that Young Justice wasn't allowed.
D. Taina
"Brave words for a man who hides his face behind a hood." --Goliath, The Journey
posted @ Tue, Sep 11, 2012 7:00:45 pm EDT from 74.213.101.133

Comet> Last time I checked, this was not a young justice forum.

GW> If anyone needs to grow up is the one single person who repeatedly brings up his relationship with you to establish self-worth. A behavior you're nourishing. Don't bite my head off because you're having a bad day.
G.B. Hater
posted @ Tue, Sep 11, 2012 6:39:54 pm EDT from 188.40.105.142

I'm a jackass because I react negatively to your hostile posts? Grow up.
Greg Weisman
posted @ Tue, Sep 11, 2012 6:24:49 pm EDT from 168.161.192.17

"I hope your show gets axed."
....really sounds like someone who frequently posts here.
Comet
I'm shipping off...to find my wooden leg!
posted @ Tue, Sep 11, 2012 6:15:19 pm EDT from 80.187.110.28

GW> Now I get why you two get along. Birds of a feather... you are both jackasses. I hope your show gets axed.
G.B. Hater
posted @ Tue, Sep 11, 2012 6:06:59 pm EDT from 188.40.105.142

Wow, never seen Weisman involved in a flame war before.

Something to tell the grandkids about. "Hey kids, you know the guy who made this great show we're watching was a human being just like us!"
Arlo
posted @ Tue, Sep 11, 2012 5:55:09 pm EDT from 173.54.75.76

GBHater - You're welcome. Now, blow.
Greg Weisman
posted @ Tue, Sep 11, 2012 5:50:24 pm EDT from 168.161.192.17

How many people called Walt Disney Home Entertainment today requesting Gargoyles Season Two, Volume Two on DVD and Gargoyles Season Three on DVD? Just checking.
Jonny Modlin - [jmodlin210@gmail.com]
Jonny Modlin
posted @ Tue, Sep 11, 2012 5:02:38 pm EDT from 71.192.166.52

Sorry for the double post, but I called Disney yesterday. Greg B thanks for providing the number to call.
Adam - [carl006_1999@yahoo.com]
posted @ Tue, Sep 11, 2012 4:57:58 pm EDT from 170.112.1.251

Not even I have gotten enough people mad at me to have Greg W. post in here. I have had my disagreements with people in this room, often Greg B, but I have always respected their opinions even if I do not agree with them.

And now we have a mistery, who is BG Hater? Don't care.
Adam - [carl006_1999@yahoo.com]
posted @ Tue, Sep 11, 2012 4:56:59 pm EDT from 170.112.1.251

Greg Weisman> Actually, I am a frequent poster on this forum, but I am exercising my right to anonymity to shelter myself from retaliation. GB has everyone in here wrap around his little chubby finger by means of adverting and flaunting his friendship with you. And by confirming it, you've just made the beast grow bigger. Thanks for that.
G.B. Hater
posted @ Tue, Sep 11, 2012 4:42:10 pm EDT from 188.40.105.142

GBHater - Greg Bishansky is indeed a good friend of mine. We don't always agree on everything, but a healthy friendship can take that. You, on the other hand, are a troll pure and simple, and I need no more proof of that then your screen name.
Greg Weisman
posted @ Tue, Sep 11, 2012 3:59:01 pm EDT from 168.161.192.17

I made the call to Walt Disney Home Entertainment on Monday, September 10, 2012 to request Gargoyles Season Two, Volume Two and Gargoyles Season Three on DVD. How many people called Walt Disney Home Entertainment today about requesting Gargoyles Season Two, Volume Two and Gargoyles Season Three on DVD?
Jonny Modlin - [jmodlin210@gmail.com]
Jonny Modlin
posted @ Tue, Sep 11, 2012 3:29:01 pm EDT from 71.192.166.52

G.B. Hater> [SPOILER] You tell it like it is. You also obviously don't care about your user name either [/SPOILER]
Green Lantern's Nightlight
posted @ Tue, Sep 11, 2012 2:16:24 pm EDT from 94.172.200.83

ARLO> Excellent. Let's all keep going, as Greg Weisman has said before, we need to get their attention again. So anyone who hasn't made the call yet, please do so as soon as you can.
Greg Bishansky - [<--- Greg's Blog of Clue-by-Fours]
Here's the problem with most fanfic writers: they seem to think Dominique is a second life. It isn't. Demona spelled it plainly in "High Noon." She's a gargoyle. Dominique is just a tool to help her in her goals. She'll use the form because she changes into a human, whether she likes it or not, but Dominique is not another life for her.
posted @ Tue, Sep 11, 2012 1:35:09 pm EDT from 24.185.74.60

@Brainiac Thanks for the link!
Anthony Tini
posted @ Tue, Sep 11, 2012 1:06:47 pm EDT from 159.240.11.159

Sorry, I was off for a few days. Got back and made the call today.
Arlo
posted @ Tue, Sep 11, 2012 1:06:31 pm EDT from 173.54.75.76

http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=15706

Ah, man, GW totally pawned GB... AGAIN!!!! lol GB struts around like he's the man, but he aint shiit. Dude, wtf did you ever do in your life that qualifies you to bash someone else's work?! JLU has no character development?! Overrated?! lol Well, coming from a self-proclaimed educated guy, who can't spell "H.G. Wells", that hardly makes a dent. It's H.G. Wells and Orson Welles, twit.

Please get off your high horse and stop embarrassing yourself. Clearly no one believes nor cares you're buddy-buddy with GW, so stop flaunting your "special relationship".
G.B. Hater
posted @ Tue, Sep 11, 2012 12:54:16 pm EDT from 188.40.105.142

Aldrea> http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=8907
Brainiac - [OSUBrainiac at gmail dot com]
There is balance in all things. Live in symmetry with the world around you. If you must blow things up and steal from those around you, THAT'S WHAT RPGS ARE FOR!
posted @ Tue, Sep 11, 2012 11:50:41 am EDT from 137.183.232.23

9/11 is here and I once again wonder how the Gargoyles would have responded to waking up to such a tragedy, unable to do anything as the attacks happened during the day.

Didn't Greg W say that if the story ever continued and reached September 11, 2001, he would indeed put the terrorist attacks in the storyline, that he wouldn't shy away from them?
Aldrea
posted @ Tue, Sep 11, 2012 9:34:54 am EDT from 98.117.201.36

Oh crap! I didn't know it was going to display my emails! How do I edit my comment or hide the email??
IzaVelox
posted @ Tue, Sep 11, 2012 12:58:45 am EDT from 174.49.156.14

Can anyone tell me what episodes of 3x3 Eyes are the Gargoyle references in? Thank you!
IzaVelox - [keepitsimple6@gmail.com]
posted @ Tue, Sep 11, 2012 12:56:20 am EDT from 174.49.156.14

What do you guys actually say when you phone Walt Disney Home Entertainment and how do they respond?
Green Lantern's Nightlight
posted @ Tue, Sep 11, 2012 12:20:39 am EDT from 94.172.200.83

I hate to bring this up again so smack me around a bit if you wish, but I did read the review again and Greg Weisman's reply and while I still don't think there was any point in the particular response I can see where Greg W.'s coming from. That's all I have to say, thank-you.
Green Lantern's Nightlight
posted @ Tue, Sep 11, 2012 12:12:39 am EDT from 94.172.200.83

How many people are left to call Walt Disney Home Entertainment to request Gargoyles Season Two, Volume Two on DVD and Gargoyles Season Three on DVD? Excited that call for Walt Disney Home Entertainment is going very well for the requests of Gargoyles Season Two, Volume Two and Gargoyles Season Three on DVD.
Jonny Modlin - [jmodlin210@gmail.com]
Jonny Modlin
posted @ Tue, Sep 11, 2012 12:07:52 am EDT from 71.192.166.52

I remember in one post Greg Weisman said that YJ would only air in some markets as Young Justice: Invasion. Does anybody know which of these markets actually aired season two just as Young Justice without it's subtitle?
Green Lantern's Nightlight
posted @ Tue, Sep 11, 2012 12:03:23 am EDT from 94.172.200.83

Anthony> http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/2012/09/07/young-justice-green-lantern-the-animated-series-confirmed-episode-titles/
Brainiac - [OSUBrainiac at gmail dot com]
There is balance in all things. Live in symmetry with the world around you. If you must blow things up and steal from those around you, THAT'S WHAT RPGS ARE FOR!
posted @ Mon, Sep 10, 2012 11:25:00 pm EDT from 174.101.230.22

I know that a lot of different comics have been adapted into live-action films so it's not entirely ludicrous to read that a legitimate live-action film of Gargoyles was actually attempted since that's what I've been thinking about recently; especially how the gargoyles would look. Bottom line it's a cartoon targeted at kids and the gargoyles look perfectly watchable in animated form, but what about in live-action form? Would the film still have been targeted towards kids? Well consdering the target audience of most superhero films I guess it would be universal. Personally I dread to think about how they would actually look even if they looked the same just in CGI. I like to think that if a movie was done by today's standards they would be done through motion capture, i.e. actors in special suits like they did for Rise of the Planet of the Apes which obviously helped a lot.
Green Lantern's Nightlight
posted @ Mon, Sep 10, 2012 11:23:55 pm EDT from 94.172.200.83

Can anyone here confirm or deny that "Young Justice: Invasion" will return on September 29th, 2012? Thanks!
Anthony Tini
posted @ Mon, Sep 10, 2012 11:07:34 pm EDT from 50.29.205.45

Greg B.> I'm sorry to make you feel uncomfortable. I wasn't trying to personally put anyone down or bad mouth anyone. As I said it was just something I saw and had a problem with, but I don't need to say anything more about it than I already have.

When I mentioned about seeing the inside of the police station during season three I didn't mean it as something that should be taken as canon, it's just something that happened either way.
Green Lantern's Nightlight
posted @ Mon, Sep 10, 2012 10:45:08 pm EDT from 94.172.200.83

MATT> <<Whenever I read that letter you linked to, I always think about how we eventually got the comics. It seemed so hopeless in the TGC era and immediatly afterwards and no one thought we'd really ever get Gargoyles canon again. But we did. That gives me hope that if we can keep the fire burning, we'll eventually get more stories. Even if it takes another ten years>>

Agreed.

So far, I think the call plan is going well. I hope people keep doing it. I was able to send a notice through Facebook to over fifteen hundred people, and a far as I know, at least fifty of them have made the call today. When I called today, I had to wait because all the operators were busy. On average, I call Disney for this once a month and I've never had to wait before. I'm not going to say this is all us, I'm assuming it isn't... but I like to hope it is. I think the key is getting their attention. If nothing else, I'm sure someone there will read a notice that they received a ton of calls in one day. Maybe it'll help, maybe it won't. We'll see.
Greg Bishansky - [<--- Greg's Blog of Clue-by-Fours]
Here's the problem with most fanfic writers: they seem to think Dominique is a second life. It isn't. Demona spelled it plainly in "High Noon." She's a gargoyle. Dominique is just a tool to help her in her goals. She'll use the form because she changes into a human, whether she likes it or not, but Dominique is not another life for her.
posted @ Mon, Sep 10, 2012 10:43:09 pm EDT from 24.185.74.60

The clocktower was simply the centerpiece of a larger municipal complex that included the police station, a power station and a library. When it was blown up, the police still worked inside much of the infrastructure that was undamaged as well as some temporary trailers on the premises (as seen in the comics).

Greg B> Whenever I read that letter you linked to, I always think about how we eventually got the comics. It seemed so hopeless in the TGC era and immediatly afterwards and no one thought we'd really ever get Gargoyles canon again. But we did. That gives me hope that if we can keep the fire burning, we'll eventually get more stories. Even if it takes another ten years.
Matt - [Saint Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Thats three down and two to go..." -Sevarius, "The Reckoning"
posted @ Mon, Sep 10, 2012 10:39:21 pm EDT from 99.92.109.252

<<but I found his comment to be a nitpick to begin with and I didn't think Greg B. was trying to belittle one show in order to make on of Greg W.'s shows look better, at least not to me anyway.>>

Look, I appreciate it you wanting to defend my review. But it's not necessary, nor is it desired. If I ever take issue with anything Greg Weisman says in response to something I write, I am more than capable of taking it up with him on my own.

As it stands, the fact that you're continuing conversation about my review, a conversation that I wasn't even involved in, is making me a little uncomfortable. Please stop.

<< I know the inside was seen at least a couple of times in the third season. I don't know how many times in the comic as of yet.>>

Third season doesn't count, only the comic. I think we saw the inside three times in the comic, within the first three issues.
Greg Bishansky - [<--- Greg's Blog of Clue-by-Fours]
Here's the problem with most fanfic writers: they seem to think Dominique is a second life. It isn't. Demona spelled it plainly in "High Noon." She's a gargoyle. Dominique is just a tool to help her in her goals. She'll use the form because she changes into a human, whether she likes it or not, but Dominique is not another life for her.
posted @ Mon, Sep 10, 2012 10:29:24 pm EDT from 24.185.74.60

To GLN (me)> Well that's embarrasing. (I would ask for a redo, but I don't suppose I'll get that.)
Green Lantern's Nightlight
posted @ Mon, Sep 10, 2012 10:21:21 pm EDT from 94.172.200.83

Harlan Phoenix> I guess I'm basically nitpicking and I agree with what you said. And what I'm about to say will probably sound more contradictory, but I found his comment to be a nitpick to begin with and I didn't think Greg B. was trying to belittle one show in order to make on of Greg W.'s shows look better, at least not to me anyway. But I didn't mean to be rude to begin it's just something I noticed and maybe I was trying to point out something that I needn't bother to.

[SPOLIER]Johnny's become a broken record I'm sorry to.[/SPOILER]


Greg B.> (Thanks for answering.) No, I obviously don't know enough about Manhattan to know that's normal. I also didn't mean the police station was literally "destroyed", I guess I made it sound too dramatic. I know the inside was seen at least a couple of times in the third season. I don't know how many times in the comic as of yet.
Green Lantern's Nightlight
posted @ Mon, Sep 10, 2012 10:18:49 pm EDT from 94.172.200.83

HARLAN> <<I imagine that in Goofy's voice. I actually find the Goliath Chronicles pretty interesting, but there's not really a lot of information on it in the way there is for the main series. I'd be interested in knowing a lot of the logic that went into trying to craft the TCG's arc with so little knowledge of Gargoyles proper, but that info doesn't seem like it'd ever come out.>>

Considering how little time they had to actually get the show going, I'm pretty sure not too much thought went into it besides "meet our deadlines. Stat."

The only behind the scenes story about TGC that I know was a story told by Lydia Marano at the 2001 Gathering, and I'm paraphrasing this from memory... keep in mind, it's been over eleven years since I've heard this.

As you know, Greg was still paid to consult and he made suggestions for what they should do for the third season, and none of those suggestions were heeded. He was suggesting "TimeDancer" as an episode, which we finally saw in issues 10, 11, and 12 of the comic book. Lydia Marano was in that meeting and since she had written "Avalon" was interested in writing it. Scott Thomas smiled and nodded at Greg and as soon as Greg left the room, he turned to Lydia and said "we're not doing that. No more time travel" and instead we ended up with "Runaways" and the only thing these two stories had in common was Brooklyn being pissed off.

I guess a part of me would like to ask Eric Leward and Scott Thomas a few questions about TGC, but ultimately I'm not all that interested. This may surprised some people considering how much I really, really don't like that season, but I'm sure they did their best given the lack of time and familiarity with the series. But it was also never their baby, and I would be surprised if they had the same passion for it as Greg Weisman did, or Frank Paur, etc.

Ultimately, at the end of the day, nothing will sum up what went wrong with the Chronicles than this letter Greg Weisman wrote years ago:

http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?rid=161
Greg Bishansky - [<--- Greg's Blog of Clue-by-Fours]
Here's the problem with most fanfic writers: they seem to think Dominique is a second life. It isn't. Demona spelled it plainly in "High Noon." She's a gargoyle. Dominique is just a tool to help her in her goals. She'll use the form because she changes into a human, whether she likes it or not, but Dominique is not another life for her.
posted @ Mon, Sep 10, 2012 9:53:50 pm EDT from 24.185.74.60

Green Lantern's Nightlight> "I'm not sure which Greg you're referring to in your last line."

Well, none of them. But by virtue of coming off of your statement, I'm referring to the same one you are: Weisman.

"I thought it was kind of pointless to say that we shouldn't make comparisons to other works."

Because, per the post, he sees no point in it?

"It's Greg W.'s question (or review) to answer and he has the right to point out something he has a problem with whatever it may be, but would he think any different if it was a positive comparison?"

He specifically sees no point in the denigration, so "What if it was POSITIVE?" is a pretty pointless question. Your comment is one of those weird opinion paradoxes where you assure Weisman's right to have an opinion but you want to point out all of its seeming logical fallacies (while asserting your own position as more sensible, in this case because "well other people do it."). What's so difficult about wrapping your head around the fact he doesn't get why other works should be downed when his work is being discussed? Maybe he wants it to stand on its own? Maybe it has to do with respecting his peers? I'm just speculating and will stress I genuinely don't know, but you can figure out plenty of reasons if you sit down and think about it for, like, three seconds. I'm not TRYING to be rude, but it seems like pretty pointless nitpicking.

I'm not really even trying to defend or white knight. The basic fallacy of "why doesn't someone with a valid opinion have the more sensible opinion that way more people have?" just bothers me on an intellectual level.

Also, in regards to the conversation with Jonny:

[SPOILER] He should probably just be ignored. [/SPOILER]

Anonymous>"Could I be the only one with a slight inkling to hear from actual defenders of "Chronicles"? Maybe it's just a curiosity to hear differing POV's."

It'd be ten times better than "Hey guys, remember when the Goliath Chronicles was bad, a-hyukka doo?!"

I imagine that in Goofy's voice. I actually find the Goliath Chronicles pretty interesting, but there's not really a lot of information on it in the way there is for the main series. I'd be interested in knowing a lot of the logic that went into trying to craft the TCG's arc with so little knowledge of Gargoyles proper, but that info doesn't seem like it'd ever come out.
Harlan Phoenix
posted @ Mon, Sep 10, 2012 9:34:57 pm EDT from 71.79.65.89

Are the DVD's for Gargoyles Season Two, Volume Two and Gargoyles Season Three available for this year? are the plans definite yet?
Jonny Modlin - [jmodlin210@gmail.com]
Jonny Modlin
posted @ Mon, Sep 10, 2012 9:17:03 pm EDT from 71.192.166.52

I am sorry about that I said Gargoyles Season Two, Volume Two on DVD and Gargoyles Season Three on DVD three times. How did the phone call go for Walt Disney Home Entertainment about requesting Gargoyles Season Two, Volume Two on DVD and Gargoyles Season Three on DVD and did it go very well? Did alot of people call Walt Disney Home Entertainment about Gargoyles Season Two, Volume Two and Gargoyles Season Three on DVD?
Jonny Modlin - [jmodlin210@gmail.com]
Jonny Modlin
posted @ Mon, Sep 10, 2012 9:16:07 pm EDT from 71.192.166.52

<<Why would a clock tower be above a police station? We already know why a castle is on top of Xanatos's building, but not the former.>>

Ever been to Manhattan? There's a lot of architecture like that there.

<<Where does Elisa (and Matt) work after the station is destroyed?>>

#1 and #3 of the comic will answer this question. But the station was not destroyed, damaged but not destroyed. Like the episode itself says, it was a surgical strike on the Clocktower... they're still working in that station.
Greg Bishansky - [<--- Greg's Blog of Clue-by-Fours]
Here's the problem with most fanfic writers: they seem to think Dominique is a second life. It isn't. Demona spelled it plainly in "High Noon." She's a gargoyle. Dominique is just a tool to help her in her goals. She'll use the form because she changes into a human, whether she likes it or not, but Dominique is not another life for her.
posted @ Mon, Sep 10, 2012 9:13:04 pm EDT from 24.185.74.60

Furthermore, you said "Gargoyles Season Two, Volume Two on DVD and Gargoyles Season Three on DVD" 3 times. We already what's available and what's not, so I think we get.
Green Lantern's Nightlight
posted @ Mon, Sep 10, 2012 9:04:02 pm EDT from 94.172.200.83

Jonny Modlin> You're basically spamming up the page with the exact same question. How many do you have to ask. It doesn't even look like a question, more of a request hoping that some Disney exec will see it.

I don't care if you ask, but it seems so automated.
Green Lantern's Nightlight
posted @ Mon, Sep 10, 2012 8:59:48 pm EDT from 94.172.200.83

Sorry about that? How many people called Walt Disney Home Entertainment to request Gargoyles Season Two, Volume Two on DVD and Gargoyles Season Three on DVD? Did a lot of people call Walt Disney Home Entertainment to request Gargoyles Season Two, Volume Two on DVD and Gargoyles Season Three on DVD for the plans to become definite? I called Walt Disney Home Entertainment to request Gargoyles Season Two, Volume Two on DVD and Gargoyles Season Three on DVD.
Jonny Modlin - [jmodlin210@gmail.com]
Jonny Modlin
posted @ Mon, Sep 10, 2012 8:51:47 pm EDT from 71.192.166.52

"Are they going to be retail?" Isn't that the point of phoning them up?
Green Lantern's Nightlight
posted @ Mon, Sep 10, 2012 8:42:51 pm EDT from 94.172.200.83

I am a big fan of Gargoyles and Gargoyles The Goliath Chronicles? Did a lot of people call Walt Disney Home Entertainment to request Gargoyles Season Two, Volume Two on DVD and Gargoyles Season Three on DVD to make the plans definite for this year? Are the DVD releases for Gargoyles Season Two, Volume Two and Gargoyles Season Three going to be retail?
Jonny Modlin - [jmodlin210@gmail.com]
Jonny Modlin
posted @ Mon, Sep 10, 2012 8:40:06 pm EDT from 71.192.166.52

Why would a clock tower be above a police station? We already know why a castle is on top of Xanatos's building, but not the former.

Where does Elisa (and Matt) work after the station is destroyed?
Green Lantern's Nightlight
posted @ Mon, Sep 10, 2012 8:39:24 pm EDT from 94.172.200.83

To Jonny Modlin: are you really that big a fan of "Goliath Chronicles" or simply just a completionist when it comes to everything Gargoyles? (Which brings me to the following burning question...)

Could I be the only one with a slight inkling to hear from actual defenders of "Chronicles"? Maybe it's just a curiosity to hear differing POV's.
Anonymous
posted @ Mon, Sep 10, 2012 8:34:40 pm EDT from 173.55.4.27

Harlan Phoenix> I'm not sure which Greg you're referring to in your last line. I thought it was kind of pointless to say that we shouldn't make comparisons to other works. At least it was another DC show, and even if it wasn't who cares? I've read some reviews at TVshowsonDVD where comparisons have been made of the technical differences between some DVDs and I don't think to myself "Why bother making comparisons? They shouldn't bash one DVD to make another one look better." Because that may not necessarily be the case.

It's Greg W.'s question (or review) to answer and he has the right to point out something he has a problem with whatever it may be, but would he think any different if it was a positive comparison?
Green Lantern's Nightlight
posted @ Mon, Sep 10, 2012 7:53:31 pm EDT from 94.172.200.83

Green Lantern's Nightlight>"What difference does it make either way?"

Other works have nothing to do with a singular work's success at delivering on its own internal build up and promises. I can easily see why he'd find the comparisons immaterial.

There's also a post from long ago about how he didn't see why fans of one character would bash another for the sake of their favorite, so nothing he's saying is particularly new or even enigmatic.
Harlan Phoenix
posted @ Mon, Sep 10, 2012 6:05:12 pm EDT from 76.2.70.200

"The good news is, she survived TEN hours of surgery. The next twelve hours are crucial."

Just put in my call to Disney. (And just as a possible encouragement to anyone who's considering calling, but to whom calling an unknown person is as drastically far outside their comfort zone as it is mine: don't stress overmuch. It goes pretty fast; and, for me at least, the person I talked to was very polite, and gave no indication that she thought I was a moron.) :)
Ross
"Oh villain! Villain! Smiling cursed villain! That one might smile and smile, and be a villain! Gooo VILLAIN! Whooooo! Yeah!" -- Sally Avril
posted @ Mon, Sep 10, 2012 5:28:01 pm EDT from 24.14.144.229

Maybe Greg Weisman just doesn't want to hear the negative comparisons of another DC show? What difference does it make either way? MANY reviewers do that.
Green Lantern's Nightlight
posted @ Mon, Sep 10, 2012 4:52:56 pm EDT from 94.172.200.83

And my English seems to be broken too (again).... sorry about that, lol.
Comet
I'm shipping off...to find my wooden leg!
posted @ Mon, Sep 10, 2012 8:39:09 am EDT from 80.187.110.184

Broken countdown this week?

http://gargwiki.net/index.php?title=Misconceptions_and_urban_legends_about_Gargoyles&curid=3743&diff=25805&oldid=25796#A_Female_Gargoyle_Is_Called_a_Gargess
Wow, I was thinking about exactly this thing when I woke up today.
Reminds me of me searching for T-Shirts and then reading here that exactly these (new?) T-Shirts are sold now....
Slowly it's becoming creepy. :O
Comet
I'm shipping off...to find my wooden leg!
posted @ Mon, Sep 10, 2012 8:23:48 am EDT from 80.187.110.184

GLN> Facebook. As I mentioned last week.
Greg Bishansky - [<--- Greg's Blog of Clue-by-Fours]
Here's the problem with most fanfic writers: they seem to think Dominique is a second life. It isn't. Demona spelled it plainly in "High Noon." She's a gargoyle. Dominique is just a tool to help her in her goals. She'll use the form because she changes into a human, whether she likes it or not, but Dominique is not another life for her.
posted @ Mon, Sep 10, 2012 2:55:16 am EDT from 24.185.74.60

From the looking at the main page and looking at the archives it looks like it was the other way around about who was copying who. Unless you're talking about something that happened outside this site?
Green Lantern's Nightlight
posted @ Mon, Sep 10, 2012 2:53:24 am EDT from 94.172.200.83

For all you Super-man fans:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2hXpc4n9cc
Anthony Tini
posted @ Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:35:04 am EDT from 50.29.205.45

No I didn't. If season three never comes out, I'll be happy. People can ask for it if they want to, but don't expect me too, and don't expect me to promote it.
Greg Bishansky - [<--- Greg's Blog of Clue-by-Fours]
Here's the problem with most fanfic writers: they seem to think Dominique is a second life. It isn't. Demona spelled it plainly in "High Noon." She's a gargoyle. Dominique is just a tool to help her in her goals. She'll use the form because she changes into a human, whether she likes it or not, but Dominique is not another life for her.
posted @ Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:16:12 am EDT from 24.185.74.60

Forgot Gargoyles Season Three on DVD after Gargoyles Season Two, Volume Two on DVD.
Jonny Modlin - [jmodlin210@gmail.com]
Jonny Modlin
posted @ Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:11:13 am EDT from 71.192.166.52

"He was accused of that specific crime, and that's what he got sent to prison for. But he only got a SIX-month sentence, and we're lucky it wasn't suspended -- his lawyers will probably get that time cut down . . . the point is, it's not safe here for you guys." -- Elisa Maza ("The Thrill of the Hunt")
Phoenician
"The suspense is terrible, I hope it lasts" -- Willy Wonka
posted @ Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:08:29 am EDT from 68.231.75.202

Yes, well... you have that effect on people. Now we've got eight-point-FIVE seconds to initiate a sixty-degree turn. Let's proceed.
Anthony Tini
posted @ Mon, Sep 10, 2012 12:37:54 am EDT from 50.29.205.45

Today everybody please take a few minutes to call Walt Disney Home Entertainment at 800-723-4763, navigate through the menu (it's easy) and request Gargoyles: Season Two, Volume Two. Right now the plans are still tentative, let's see if we can help make those plans definite. Don't worry about annoying them, the requests do get kicked upstairs, and if we get their attention, if we let them know that we are out there and we are interested, it's more incentive to release it. Remember, we want to give them our money. Money talks. It's toll free, and will only cost you a few minutes of your time. If you can't do it tomorrow, do it sometime this week, but please do it.
Greg Bishansky - [<--- Greg's Blog of Clue-by-Fours]
Here's the problem with most fanfic writers: they seem to think Dominique is a second life. It isn't. Demona spelled it plainly in "High Noon." She's a gargoyle. Dominique is just a tool to help her in her goals. She'll use the form because she changes into a human, whether she likes it or not, but Dominique is not another life for her.
posted @ Mon, Sep 10, 2012 12:10:40 am EDT from 24.185.74.60

According to reports from all over the city, there are at least THREE of these things.
Matt - [Saint Louis, Missouri, USA]
"Thats three down and two to go..." -Sevarius, "The Reckoning"
posted @ Mon, Sep 10, 2012 12:06:05 am EDT from 99.92.109.252

Bah...you were my Second, and I passed the job to you. There's no point in going backwards.
Masterdramon - [kmc12009@mymail.pomona.edu]
"Oh let the sun beat down upon my face, stars to fill my dream..." - Led Zeppelin
posted @ Mon, Sep 10, 2012 12:04:36 am EDT from 134.173.88.160

I'd sure like to know how you got here, but I'm programmed to shoot first and ask questions later.
Brainiac - [OSUBrainiac at gmail dot com]
There is balance in all things. Live in symmetry with the world around you. If you must blow things up and steal from those around you, THAT'S WHAT RPGS ARE FOR!
posted @ Mon, Sep 10, 2012 12:00:04 am EDT from 174.101.230.22