Brainiac> Happy Birthday!

Masterdramon> Congratulations (for whatever it is)!
Supermorff
posted @ Sun, May 19, 2013 3:07:30 pm EDT from 86.153.102.139

Happy Birthday, Brainiac...

But speak for yourself!

Is it concerning everyone else that there are more and more rocking chairs in here every year? Soon we'll have to move the cookie table!
Matt - [Saint Louis, Missouri, USA]
"For science, which, as my associate Fang indicated, must move ever forward. Plus there's the money... and I do love the drama!" - Sevarius, "Louse"
posted @ Sun, May 19, 2013 2:19:47 pm EDT from 99.92.109.252

Happy Birthday, Brainiac! :) *forks over a cane-shaped present* It's for walking uphill both ways! :p
Shaiya - [steelclaw at fastmail dot fm]
for without the nerve to chance the storm, we can never sail into the sun
posted @ Sun, May 19, 2013 12:05:39 pm EDT from 71.168.81.181

Yeah, yeah, now shut up yah whippersnapper!

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm gonna go sit in a rocking chair alongside Matt and complain about how things were better back in our day with him. AND GET OFF MAH LAWN!
Brainiac - [OSUBrainiac at gmail dot com]
There is balance in all things. Live in symmetry with the world around you. If you must blow things up and steal from those around you, THAT'S WHAT RPGS ARE FOR!
posted @ Sun, May 19, 2013 11:24:08 am EDT from 174.101.230.22

Today is the day I graduate from Pomona College. Tired, but happy...especially as I was awarded the Edward M. Staid Prize for American Politics yesterday (whatever that is).

In other news, I know for a fact Brainiac turns 31 today. Life's little cycles, eh? :D
Masterdramon - [kmc12009 at mymail dot pomona dot edu]
"Smokin', Smokin'...we're cookin' tonight, just keep on tokin'..." - Boston
posted @ Sun, May 19, 2013 11:17:09 am EDT from 134.173.91.95

Matt> Those were my guesses too. Just seems logical as they are the four with the most inter-connectivity already.

Paul> You've now got access to GargWiki. Enjoy!
Supermorff
posted @ Sat, May 18, 2013 2:59:52 am EDT from 217.44.50.142

A few days ago I registered at gargwiki under the name "Alpha Sigma Sigma." May I have edit privileges?
Paul - [nampahcfluap at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Fri, May 17, 2013 4:56:46 pm EDT from 24.14.51.43

All the events that happened in the Gargoyles Universe at the same time that the Gathering Convention was happening in real life directly relate to the guests in attendence.

Given that, I'd say the four clans were Manhattan, Labyrinth, London and Mayan.
Matt - [Saint Louis, Missouri, USA]
"For science, which, as my associate Fang indicated, must move ever forward. Plus there's the money... and I do love the drama!" - Sevarius, "Louse"
posted @ Fri, May 17, 2013 10:03:09 am EDT from 99.92.109.252

Masterdramon- My bad. I did not read down far enough on the New Olympian clan page. Typical, I think I have a great question for Greg only to think of it more than a decade to late.

Greg says that in 2001 a crisis will bring together representatives of 4 clans. So which clans do you think they will be? I think that the Manhattan and London clans are a given. I would think that the Ishimura clan would be to, but I think it has been said that they are supposed to be one of the last clans relieved, so they might not be part of this meeting. And I don't know how well recieved the Labyrinth clan will be by other Gargoyle clans. I do think that this crisis will lead to the very beginings of the Gargoyle Nation.
Adam - [carl006_1999 at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Fri, May 17, 2013 9:44:41 am EDT from 170.112.1.251

Sorry for the double post.

I was at Walt Disney World last week and I found a Disney's Adventures of the Gummie Bears T-Shirt, as well as a Darkwing Duck T-Shirt.

I was hoping to find a Gargoyles Shirt, but no such luck. It gives hope, though... the DWD ones were gone overnight...
Battle Beast - [Canada]
I did it! I watched all 485 Best picture nominees in 365 days!
posted @ Thu, May 16, 2013 10:24:19 pm EDT from 137.186.192.203

I posted this a few weeks ago, but Greg has stated how he named the Avalon Clan:


Vaevictis Asmadi writes...

Hello Greg,

I have a question about the Avalon Clan. The male gargoyles are generally named after angels, with Gabriel and canon-in-training names like Michael and Raphael, and the female Angela also has an angel-themed name. But as far as I can figure out Gabriel is the only angel name in Christianity that's ever considered female, and Gabriel is already used for a male gargoyle.

So my question is, what sorts of names do most of the Avalon Clan females have? Is there a theme for the female names, like the angel theme for the males? If there is a theme for the female names, what is it? (I'm not asking for individual names because I know you don't want to share those outside of an actual comic.)

Thank you again for answering so many fan questions!


Greg responds...

ALL the eggs (male and female) were named for angels, except for the Beasts, who were named for warriors.
Battle Beast - [Canada]
I did it! I watched all 485 Best picture nominees in 365 days!
posted @ Thu, May 16, 2013 10:20:56 pm EDT from 137.186.192.203

An Ask Greg Helper responds...

Greg Weisman says:

"It's fairly big. They may have thought Goliath knew. The Gargoyles of New Olympus are isolationists, even from their fellow citizens."

[Response recorded on July 27, 2001.]

http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=2104

Found it within 2 minutes of reading the "New Olympian Clan" Ask Greg archive. Which I would think would be the natural place to look...wouldn't you?
Masterdramon - [kmc12009 at mymail dot pomona dot edu]
"Smokin', Smokin'...we're cookin' tonight, just keep on tokin'..." - Boston
posted @ Thu, May 16, 2013 8:25:03 pm EDT from 134.173.88.64

I have a question that I would like to ask Greg sometime but I will run it through here first. Did Goliath and company informed about the New Olympian clan while they where on New Olympus?
Adam - [carl006_1999 at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Thu, May 16, 2013 5:52:08 pm EDT from 170.112.1.251

First I got to thank You Mr.G. Weismen for inspiring and blessing my childhood years with the Gargoyles. Now that I'm close to 25 years of age, I'd still dream about new epsicodes of gargoyles lol. I really appreciate your work and honor your vision. I really can't put it all to words, however in my former church, the elders would say" Give me my flowers while I'm living so I can smell them" You are far from old,but I want you to see how much you inspired us, your labour was not in vain.
Henry Williams - [worldclasschristian at hotmail dot com]
HIWII
posted @ Thu, May 16, 2013 10:20:05 am EDT from 167.102.228.16

Brainiac> Gargoyles... on twitter?!! Um... *hug* XDD

Matt> Happy birthday! *hands over a jar of jalapenjos* :)
Shaiya - [steelclaw at fastmail dot fm]
for without the nerve to chance the storm, we can never sail into the sun
posted @ Wed, May 15, 2013 8:07:23 pm EDT from 71.168.81.181

Thanks for the birthday wishes, everyone.

Avalon Clan Names> Keep in mind that the Magus was with them and he had had access for some time to the Grimorum. I imagine given its origins, that the Grimorum probably had references to cultures far beyond Rome and the British Isles. It is entirely plausible that Arabic names, history and spells were part of the Book. So that explains names like Azrael. Ophelia might've been nothing more than a coincidence regarding the Shakespearean link, though I admit Chip's quote is intriguing. Maybe Katharine always wanted to name her daughter Ophelia or something. Makes me wonder if there is a gargoyle named Mary on the island... or a Malcolm or Elena or whatever Tom's father's name was.
Matt - [Saint Louis, Missouri, USA]
"For science, which, as my associate Fang indicated, must move ever forward. Plus there's the money... and I do love the drama!" - Sevarius, "Louse"
posted @ Wed, May 15, 2013 3:48:13 pm EDT from 99.92.109.252

One thought about the naming of the Avalon clan that I had is, what if they wanted to be named. Being raised by humans and hearing stories about Goliath in almost a legendary type role., I wonder if they asked to be named by the humans raising them. They might have wondered why Goliath was the only gargoyle to have a name. Just a thought.
Adam - [carl006_1999 at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Wed, May 15, 2013 3:17:06 pm EDT from 170.112.1.251

Though the notion was originally used to justify their naming the gargoyle beast after a New York feature. Once that was replaced with her being named after an ancient British warrior-queen who lived before the fall of Castle Wyvern, the reluctance lost its "behind-the-scenes" point (avoiding an anachronism).
Todd Jensen
Hufflepuffs are great finders
posted @ Tue, May 14, 2013 9:16:20 pm EDT from 108.226.1.5

I'm just talking about the "Avalon" episode memos, posted here on Ask Greg.

http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?rid=181

"You need some reason why Tribeca doesn't already have a name. Maybe, Katharine and Tom had tried not to name any of the gargoyles at first, but it just got too difficult for them with the sentient ones. But they didn't bother to name the Beasts? [We dropped the Tribecca notion eventually, and Tribeca became Boudicca. -GW 5/21/02]"

So the idea was at least proposed at one point. Whether or not it's canon is entirely an open question, but it makes sense to me that they were at least initially resistant.
Masterdramon - [kmc12009 at mymail dot pomona dot edu]
"Smokin', Smokin'...we're cookin' tonight, just keep on tokin'..." - Boston
posted @ Tue, May 14, 2013 7:10:53 pm EDT from 134.173.90.162

"Where can one read these production notes? I would be very interested in reading them."

Same here.
Comet
Double, double, toil and trouble. Fire burn and cauldron bubble.
posted @ Tue, May 14, 2013 6:42:17 pm EDT from 80.187.104.52

wait... Greg is on twitter?
...
...
*subscribes immediately*
Neill - [neillgargoyle(a)gmail dot com]
posted @ Tue, May 14, 2013 2:39:35 pm EDT from 87.144.107.55

Personally I think it's possible that all the hatchlings got their names at different times. I mean, I doubt Katharine, Tom, and the Magus sat down one day and came up with 36 names.
Rebel
posted @ Tue, May 14, 2013 12:04:34 pm EDT from 174.109.133.102

You know, I'm rather disappointed that http://twitter.com/GargoylesNews hasn't mentioned the arrival of http://twitter.com/Greg_Weisman thus far...
Brainiac - [OSUBrainiac at gmail dot com]
There is balance in all things. Live in symmetry with the world around you. If you must blow things up and steal from those around you, THAT'S WHAT RPGS ARE FOR!
posted @ Tue, May 14, 2013 11:23:15 am EDT from 137.183.232.27

Maybe Tom got the name Ophelia from Shakespare, and didn't name Ophelia until then. That would have been in 1600 or so.

Assuming that Ophelia hatched at the same time that Angela did, in 1058... that would be about 540 real-world years, or roughly 22 Avalon-years. And a 22-year-old gargoyle is biologically equivalent to an 11-year-old human.

I don't think that's particularly odd, given that the Manhattan Clan were much older than that when they got their names.
Paul - [nampahcfluap at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Tue, May 14, 2013 7:59:32 am EDT from 24.14.51.43

I could easily see the hatchlings being 1 and 1/2 years old and not having names yet.
Rebel
posted @ Tue, May 14, 2013 12:07:20 am EDT from 174.109.133.102

Masterdramon- Fair enough. Although, by my math, the Avalon clan would be about 1 1/2 years old when Tom makes his first voyage in 1095.

ps. Where can one read these production notes? I would be very interested in reading them.
Adam - [carl006_1999 at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Mon, May 13, 2013 9:28:36 pm EDT from 76.113.172.81

There is a mention, in the "Avalon" production memos, that possibly Katharine, Tom, and the Magus avoided giving the hatchlings names for as long as they could, out of deference to gargoyle tradition.

While obviously not explicitly canon, this makes sense to me, and would certainly explain how some of the Clan's names were derived from "later" periods.

Besides, who in the world said that all the Avalon gargoyles were named at once? Much less right after hatching?
Masterdramon - [kmc12009 at mymail dot pomona dot edu]
"Smokin', Smokin'...we're cookin' tonight, just keep on tokin'..." - Boston
posted @ Mon, May 13, 2013 5:37:22 pm EDT from 134.173.90.162

Ross- I think the problem with your theory is that by the time Tom would have taken his first voyage out to the real world, the eggs would have hatched (and probably named) already.
Adam - [carl006_1999 at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Mon, May 13, 2013 5:30:44 pm EDT from 170.112.1.251

Adam> I have a hypothesis that maybe during one of Tom's trips to see if the Wyvern gargoyles had awakened, Avalon took him to Arabia during the Abbasid or Ottoman dynasties, and he got Azrael and other such angel names from there. (I haven't worked out the math on this, so the eggs might have already been long hatched by the time this would be possible, but who's to say they didn't take a while to find names for all the hatchlings?)

Oh, and Recognized: Tempest, B-one-zero.
Ross
posted @ Mon, May 13, 2013 5:13:35 pm EDT from 184.9.212.140

Chip> Did you just translate Shakespeare... into English?
Supermorff
posted @ Mon, May 13, 2013 4:55:00 pm EDT from 81.155.219.16

Comet and Adam>

LAERTES:
    Lay her i' th' earth,
And from her fair and unpolluted flesh
May violets spring! I tell thee, churlish priest,
A ministering angel shall my sister be
When thou liest howling.

LAERTES
Lay her in the ground, and let violets bloom from her lovely and pure flesh!
I'm telling you, you jerk priest, my sister will be an angel in heaven while you're howling in hell.

HAMLET:
(to HORATIO) What, the fair Ophelia?
Chip - [Sir_Griff723 at yahoo dot com]
I am Bad. And that's good. I will never be Good. And that's not bad. There's no one I'd rather be, than me~~Bad Guy Affirmation
posted @ Mon, May 13, 2013 3:51:07 pm EDT from 24.217.38.192

Greg- I was just going on what Greg has said in the past. I have always been partial to TGS giving the Avalon clan Biblical names (although Ophelia would still be a problem). I wonder though if Greg has changed his mind on this issue.
Adam - [carl006_1999 at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Mon, May 13, 2013 3:31:09 pm EDT from 170.112.1.251

Aren't the beasts, other than the Gargoyles, named after warriors? So Boudicca doesn't count.

But I always wondered how Ophelia fits into this.
Comet
Double, double, toil and trouble. Fire burn and cauldron bubble.
posted @ Mon, May 13, 2013 3:18:25 pm EDT from 80.187.105.146

ADAM> Last I checked, there weren't angels named Boudicca or Ophelia, either.
Greg Bishansky - [<--- Greg's Blog of Clue-by-Fours]
"For every two dozen Phantom Menaces, there is a Return of the King. For every two-bit Shyamalan, a Stanley Kubrick is born. For every poor soul who groans during an Adam Sandler-funded Rob Schneider vehicle, there is a child crying life-affirming tears when Bambi's mom is shot. Somewhere out there, a film student is finding out what Rosebud means for the first time. A man is pausing as Fredo prays the Hail Mary on a boat over Lake Tahoe. A woman grasps her heart as Bogie's love flies off into the foggy night. All it takes is one moment to change a person. And that one moment... no matter how fleeting... is worth a thousand Transformers."
posted @ Mon, May 13, 2013 3:00:02 pm EDT from 67.87.243.32

Ok. So, do you think Greg has come up with names for all the members of the Avalon clan? I have done some research on angels to find enough names, and there are (although there is a lack of female names). The only real problem I came across is the amount of angels in Islam and other religions that I don't think 10 century Scotland would have access to.
Adam - [carl006_1999 at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Mon, May 13, 2013 1:11:44 pm EDT from 170.112.1.251

Recognition: Zatanna, B08.
Adam - [carl006_1999 at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Mon, May 13, 2013 9:38:34 am EDT from 170.112.1.251

Chip, I refer you to last week's count - specifically, "Zatara, One - One."

Stick with B06 - Red Arrow. It's less complicated that way. Consider it an accounting of all the Team designations throughout (known) Earth-16 history.
Brainiac - [OSUBrainiac at gmail dot com]
There is balance in all things. Live in symmetry with the world around you. If you must blow things up and steal from those around you, THAT'S WHAT RPGS ARE FOR!
posted @ Mon, May 13, 2013 8:48:48 am EDT from 137.183.232.27

Now here's a conundrum...

Speedy/Red Arrow isn't on the Team anymore...He's a Leaguer now. And since the countdown started with Nightwing...Then...I must skip 6 and move on to the next still-active Team member. So...


Recognized: Tigress, B-Zero-Seven

I'm quite sure I've confused whoever comes after me. :D
Chip - [Sir_Griff723 at yahoo dot com]
I am Bad. And that's good. I will never be Good. And that's not bad. There's no one I'd rather be, than me~~Bad Guy Affirmation
posted @ Mon, May 13, 2013 3:29:35 am EDT from 24.217.38.192

Recognized: Miss Martian, B-Zero-Five
Supermorff
posted @ Mon, May 13, 2013 3:24:40 am EDT from 81.155.219.16

Recognized: Superboy, B - Zero - Four

A belated birthday to Matt :) . . .
. . . and Holy Snap, Greg Weisman's on Twitter O.O
Phoenician
"The suspense is terrible, I hope it lasts" -- Willy Wonka
posted @ Mon, May 13, 2013 2:02:34 am EDT from 70.176.170.14

Recognized: Kid Flash, B - Zero - Three.
Masterdramon - [kmc12009 at mymail dot pomona dot edu]
"Smokin', Smokin'...we're cookin' tonight, just keep on tokin'..." - Boston
posted @ Mon, May 13, 2013 1:03:09 am EDT from 134.173.90.162

Recognized: Aqualad, B-Zero-Two.
SomeGeek
http://www.squidoo.com/thegeeklens-cartoons
posted @ Mon, May 13, 2013 12:29:52 am EDT from 69.255.208.193

Recognized: Nightwing, B-Zero-One.
Brainiac - [OSUBrainiac at gmail dot com]
There is balance in all things. Live in symmetry with the world around you. If you must blow things up and steal from those around you, THAT'S WHAT RPGS ARE FOR!
posted @ Mon, May 13, 2013 12:14:06 am EDT from 174.101.230.22