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Hey Greg this chuck I was woundering if I could get in contact with you to see if you can bring back the gatherings and how can I if you let me run one
Chuck

Paul> For animation, it's better to check Voice Chasers (http://voicechasers.com/database/showactor.php?actorid=2917) or Behind the Voice Actors (http://www.behindthevoiceactors.com/Marina-Sirtis/). She's listed as having one-off appearances in Duckman and Family Guy in the 90s and that's it, so I would say, by quantity of appearances if nothing else, that's most likely referencing Demona.
Brainiac - [OSUBrainiac at gmail dot com]
"It has been said that astronomy is a humbling and character-building experience. There is perhaps no better demonstration of the folly of human conceits than this distant image of our tiny world. To me, it underscores our responsibility to deal more kindly with one another, and to preserve and cherish the pale blue dot, the only home we've ever known."

Sorry I'm late to replying to the conversation I started. Work was hectic this week.

Yeah, Demona has a gift for self-deception... but I also think she needs to be capable of pulling a few things off, otherwise her threat becomes empty and I think she is a threat.

Yeah, had she succeeded in "Long Way to Morning", Elisa would be the biggest wild card. Would Brooklyn follow her? Not without a fight... but this is also pre-Reawakening and survival is the name of the game. Could she beat him and the rest of the trio into submission at that point? Well, that's the question. If nothing else, she still had Xanatos's backing and... either way, I don't see a bright future in this scenario.

Greg Bishansky

@ Brainiac: Was Marina Sirtis involved in any 90s cartoons other than Gargoyles? It's easy enough to look up her filmography on imdb, and she was involved in quite a few films, TV series, and video games in the 90s, but it's hard to tell how many of those were cartoons.
Paul - [nampahcfluap at yahoo dot com]

Also, just noticed Beast's preview for Death Battle is up. Expect Goliath's next week.
Brainiac - [OSUBrainiac at gmail dot com]
"It has been said that astronomy is a humbling and character-building experience. There is perhaps no better demonstration of the folly of human conceits than this distant image of our tiny world. To me, it underscores our responsibility to deal more kindly with one another, and to preserve and cherish the pale blue dot, the only home we've ever known."

Hello,

I am looking to buy the Bowen statue. Does anyone know someone selling? The listings on ebay are very expensive, even for after market prices. It's for display so I'd prefer to just buy it second hand anyway.

Thank you,
Dave

Dave - [davidwbowers at gmail dot com]

Well, this should amuse just about everyone.

http://notalwaysfriendly.com/if-at-first-you-dont-succeed-troi-again/37146

Brainiac - [OSUBrainiac at gmail dot com]
"It has been said that astronomy is a humbling and character-building experience. There is perhaps no better demonstration of the folly of human conceits than this distant image of our tiny world. To me, it underscores our responsibility to deal more kindly with one another, and to preserve and cherish the pale blue dot, the only home we've ever known."

Would it be possible for them to have Elisa as clan leader? They look up to her maybe as much as Goliath.
Inland
Signature: That would be cool.

I can't see the rest of the clan following Demona if she succeeded in killing Goliath. Hudson would have told them what happened, and even if she killed Hudson as well, I don't think Brooklyn would have followed her, especially after the events of "Temptation".

As for who would lead the clan, I think the Trio would have looked to Hudson to lead the clan, and he would accept, but only until one of them emerged as a leader (obviously Brooklyn). I would still like to see a little of Brooklyn's leadership style when he was still young while Goliath and company were on their world tour.

Adam - [carl006_1999 at yahoo dot com]

*sticks head in*

Hey everyone.

I'm not sure if anyone will remember me, but it looks like I'll be at Phoenix Comicon this year for a day -- just Saturday -- anyone going who'd like to meet up? :-)

Leva - [ljcygnet at gmail dot com]

There's also Thailog to consider. Timeline shows that Xanatos got a sample of Goliath's DNA months before "Long Way to Morning" -- so if the Trio and Bronx survived (but resisted) Demona's coup, how would they have handled Thailog popping up a little less than a year later?

Thailog. Always the curveball. d:

Phoenician
"The suspense is terrible, I hope it lasts" -- Willy Wonka

An interesting question, I scoured the wiki to try and find some answers. According to Greg she never met any other clans in Scotland following the massacre in 1057. Whether she met any others in Europe, Asia or the Americas before the Awakening isn't revealed. However Greg also states that a part of her bad disposition comes from centuries worth of sexual frustration, so it stands to reason that even if she did encounter other clans she probably didn't stay long enough to integrate with them. Also considering her loner nature and buried guilt of being responsible for the deaths of two clans she might not have sought leadership in any clan. Besides her involvement in many "watershed events" in history as well as her "kill all humans" attitude probably didn't endear her to any clan she may have met either. (Sorry for the lengthy post.)
Matthew
From far, from eve and morning, And yon twelve-winded sky, The stuff of life to knit me, Blew hither: here am I. -A.E. Housman

I wonder if Demona ever even met any gargoyles between 1057 and 1994. Most of the clans had probably been slaughtered by this point, and the surviving clans were doing all they could to stay hidden - so hidden that even Demona would have had a difficult time finding any.

I doubt that Demona could have secured control of the clan if she'd killed Goliath; in its eyes, she was a traitor who'd acted against them three times since their awakening, and killing their leader wouldn't have helped. There'd have been a leader vacuum, all right, with no successor yet named, but I doubt our gargs would have even considered giving the job to Demona. She probably believed they would, but Demona's always been good at self-deception.

Todd Jensen
Hufflepuffs are really good finders

GXB> Well this was still post-Temptation, add Goliath's death and Brooklyn would be dead set on having ANYTHING to do with Demona, so he's the big point of resistance. Even before "Upgrade", Lex and Broadway seemed to follow his lead in most situations. So even without Goliath I can't quite picture it

And even if she had somehow managed it... this is still Demona. She'd probably have ended up getting them all killed sooner or later.

Though it does raise some interesting questions. Did Demona ever lead or at least try to wrest control of a clan between 1057 and 994? With her immortality and skills, it wouldn't be hard to hook up with a clan and spend a decade or two working her way up the ranks, assuming she had the patience for it.

What recourse do gargoyles have for dealing with abusive or incompetent leaders? Can the Second challenge a corrupt Leader? Can the clan revolt en masse? Or do just they quietly resign themselves because "it is the Gargoyle Way"?

Algernon84

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Ross

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Comet
Double, double, toil and trouble. Fire burn and cauldron bubble.

EIGHTH!

And I bring a discussion topic. Let's say, hypothetically that Demona succeeded in assassinating Goliath during "Long Way to Morning". Would she have been successful at taking control of the clan? I'm not saying they would have welcomed her with open arms, I'm sure there would have been resistance. But at the time, there was still no second-in-command. They've only been awake in 20th century Manhattan for maybe three months; and as far as they know they are alone in a dire situation.

Would Brooklyn have stepped up sooner? Would she have beaten all of them into submission? This was a year before "Upgrade" and before "Kingdom". They weren't even protecting the city yet, just trying to survive.

Elisa is the wild card in this, but I don't think it would take long for Demona to learn she's still alive (she found out two episodes later anyway).

I don't know, what do you all think?

Greg Bishansky

SEVEN stars and SEVEN stones and one white tree.
Paul - [nampahcfluap at yahoo dot com]

SIXTH!
Matt - [Saint Louis, Missouri, USA]

And tomorrow...Cinco de Mayo, aka another excuse for Americans to get drunk.
Brainiac - [OSUBrainiac at gmail dot com]
"It has been said that astronomy is a humbling and character-building experience. There is perhaps no better demonstration of the folly of human conceits than this distant image of our tiny world. To me, it underscores our responsibility to deal more kindly with one another, and to preserve and cherish the pale blue dot, the only home we've ever known."

May the FOURTH be with you.
Adam - [carl006_1999 at yahoo dot com]

Friends! Romans! Countrymen!
Matthew
From far, from eve and morning, And yon twelve-winded sky, The stuff of life to knit me, Blew hither: here am I. -A.E. Housman

Edward and Alphonse Elric!
Masterdramon - [kmc12009 at mymail dot pomona dot edu]
"It's not society that determines people's futures. It's people who determine society's future." - Inspector Akane Tsunemori

FIRST!
Phoenician
"The suspense is terrible, I hope it lasts" -- Willy Wonka