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Vinnie - [tpeano29 at hotmail dot com]

So, for Halloween yesterday, my family did a Wizard Of Oz theme. We had witches good and bad, Dorothy and her Aunt and Uncle, a flying monkey and my boyfriend as the Scarecrow and myself as the Tin Man. All in all, very fun.

We never did find someone brave enough to be the Lion, unfortunately, but it got me thinking... Why do you suppose Broadway picked the Cowardly Lion to compliment Angela's Dorothy? He could've been any of the Oz trio. So, why the Lion? Thoughts?

Matt - [Saint Louis, Missouri, USA]

There are few who'd deny, at what I do I am the best
For my talents are renowned far and wide
When it comes to surprises in the moonlit night
I excel without ever even trying
With the slightest little effort of my ghostlike charms
I have seen grown men give out a shriek
With the wave of my hand, and a well-placed moan
I have swept the very bravest off their feet

Yet year after year, it's the same routine
And I grow so weary of the sound of screams
And I, Jack, the Pumpkin King!
Have grown so tired of the same old thing

Oh, somewhere deep inside of these bones
An emptiness began to grow
There's something out there, far from my home
A longing that I've never known

I'm a master of fright, and a demon of light
And I'll scare you right out of your pants
To a guy in Kentucky, I'm Mister Unlucky
And I'm known throughout England and Frrrrance!
And since I am dead, I can take off my head
To recite Shakespearean quotations
No animal nor man can scream like I can!
With the fury of my recitations

But who here would ever understand
That the Pumpkin King with the skeleton grin
Would tire of his crown, if they only understood
He'd give it all up if he only could

Oh, there's an empty place in my bones
That calls out for something unknown
The fame and praise come year after year
Does nothing for these empty tears

Matthew
From far, from eve and morning, And yon twelve-winded sky, The stuff of life to knit me, Blew hither: here am I. -A.E. Housman

Boys and girls of every age
Wouldn't you like to see something strange?

Come with us and you will see
This, our town of Halloween

This is Halloween, this is Halloween
Pumpkins scream in the dead of night

This is Halloween, everybody make a scene
Trick or treat till the neighbors gonna die of fright
It's our town, everybody scream
In this town of Halloween

I am the one hiding under your bed
Teeth ground sharp and eyes glowing red

I am the one hiding under your stairs
Fingers like snakes and spiders in my hair

This is Halloween, this is Halloween
Halloween! Halloween! Halloween! Halloween!

In this town we call home
Everyone hail to the pumpkin song

In this town, don't we love it now?
Everybody's waiting for the next surprise

Round that corner, man hiding in the trash can
Something's waiting now to pounce, and how
you'll scream

Scream! This is Halloween
Red 'n' black, slimy green

Aren't you scared?

Well, that's just fine
Say it once, say it twice
Take the chance and roll the dice
Ride with the moon in the dead of night

Everybody scream, everybody scream

In our town of Halloween

I am the clown with the tear-away face
Here in a flash and gone without a trace

I am the "who" when you call, "Who's there?"
I am the wind blowing through your hair

I am the shadow on the moon at night
Filling your dreams to the brim with fright

This is Halloween, this is Halloween
Halloween! Halloween! Halloween! Halloween!

Tender lumplings everywhere
Life's no fun without a good scare

That's our job, but we're not mean
in our town of Halloween

In this town

Don't we love it now?

Everyone's waiting for the next surprise

Skeleton Jack might catch you in the back
And scream like a banshee
Make you jump out of your skin
This is Halloween, everybody scream
Won't ya please make way for a very special guy
Our man jack is king of the pumpkin patch
Everyone hail to the Pumpkin King now

This is Halloween, this is Halloween
Halloween! Halloween! Halloween! Halloween!

In this town we call home
Everyone hail to the pumpkin song

La, la, la, la-la la, la, la, la-la la, la, la, la-la la, la-la la, Wheeeeeee!

Algerween
'Twas a long time ago, longer now than it seems in a place perhaps you've seen in your dreams. For the story you're about to be told began with the holiday worlds of auld. Now you've probably wondered where holidays come from. If you haven't I'd say it's time you begun.

Happy Halloween!
Todd Jensen
Hufflepuffs are really good finders

Indeed, the scene with the Magus, Katharine and Tom "stealing" the eggs while Demona passively watches is another example of dramatic irony.

However, I would like to point something out in response to Todd's comment that "The audience also knows that Goliath entrusted the eggs to Katharine and the Magus, but Demona doesn't know that either."

I don't remember much about when the episodes first aired or reran in 1994-96, but I'm pretty sure that until "Avalon, Part One" (which was several episodes after "City of Stone, Part One"), Goliath's line from "Awakening, Part Two" asking Katharine to take care of the eggs was never mentioned in any of the "Previously on Gargoyles" sections, so unless they reran the "Awakening" episodes not long before (either the first airing or a rerun of) the "City of Stone" episodes, I would consider it unreasonable to expect the audience to remember Goliath's request.

Not that any of that matters now that the DVDs are available, and you can watch "City of Stone, Part One" as soon after "Awakening, Part Two" as you like, but it might be interesting to remember how things were back in the 90s.

Paul - [nampahcfluap at yahoo dot com]

Yes, I do get the feeling that a lot of the question-askers are mostly interested in comparing and contrasting the Earth-16 of "Young Justice" with the Earth of the regular DC Comics.
Todd Jensen
Hufflepuffs are really good finders

@Todd, I agree. It is refreshing to see Gargoyles questions answered. I enjoyed YJ, but I don't care about the character's age or other mundane information. It's tough wading through them especially since most of the answers are "spoiler request - no comment." It would be cool if Greg could sort the questions by group, but I guess that wouldn't be fair for those in the queue.
Anthony Tini

It's refreshing to see a question about "Gargoyles" at "Ask Greg", when so many of them are now about "Young Justice". And Paul's question that Bishansky mentioned reminded me of something I thought of about that scene, where Demona sees Princess Katharine, the Magus, and Tom loading up the eggs, something which TV Tropes would call "Fridge Brilliance".

I've mentioned this before, but: the audience knows that Princess Katharine and the Magus had a change of heart about the gargoyles; they now realized how poorly they treated them and are deeply sorry. But Demona doesn't know that. The audience also knows that Goliath entrusted the eggs to Katharine and the Magus, but Demona doesn't know that either. Her natural conclusion will be that these gargoyle-haters whom she hated so much, she helped the Captain betray the castle to the Vikings to get back at them, are looting the rookery, making off with the clan's unhatched children, probably to do something dreadful to them. And she lets it happen, makes no attempt to drive them off or come to the rescue of the eggs, which are her responsibility now that she's the one member of the clan left who hasn't been killed or turned to stone. She just watches in silence.

I think that gives an additional layer to Demona's unadmitted guilt over the Wyvern Massacre - not just that her actions and inactions led to most of the clan being killed, but also that she did nothing to save the eggs, that she passed up one last opportunity to help her clan. (Of course, it was a good thing that she didn't, but I don't think she'd see it that way.) Just imagine her living with that for the next thousand years.

And while we know that much of what Demona said to Angela in "The Reckoning" was all part of her act to turn her daughter, I suspect that her outburst about the humans looting the rookery was no act, that she really did still believe that that was what she'd seen that night.

(I've mentioned this before as well, but it also gives an extra nuance to one of the fears Castaway's playing on in his speech in "The Journey" is that the gargoyles might carry off human children - fitting his being a mirror to Demona, though it wouldn't be a good idea suggesting that if either of them was in earshot.)

Todd Jensen
Hufflepuffs are really good finders

Why'd you point that out?
Matt - [Saint Louis, Missouri, USA]

Hey, Paul...

Greg answered your question: http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=20473

Greg Bishansky

Masterdramon: I've been thinking about buckling down and becoming a sponsor too. I woke up early on Sunday to see the new episode before any server crashes.
Matthew
From far, from eve and morning, And yon twelve-winded sky, The stuff of life to knit me, Blew hither: here am I. -A.E. Housman

Our moon, my children.
Brainiac - [OSUBrainiac at gmail dot com]
There is balance in all things. Live in symmetry with the world around you. If you must blow things up and steal from those around you, THAT'S WHAT RPGS ARE FOR!

Tonight is the Hunter's Moon.
Todd Jensen
Hufflepuffs are really good finders

Pink hearts, yellow moons, orange stars, green clovers, blue diamonds, purple horseshoes, red balloons, and rainbows. At least, that's how they were when I was a kid.
Harvester of Eyes - [minstrel75 at gmail dot com]
"Do you wonder if I really care for you? Am I just the company you keep? Which one of us exercises on the old treadmill? Who hides his head, pretending to sleep?" -Ian Anderson

The Colossus of Rhodes, the Pyramids, the Hanging Gardens of Babylon, the Pharos of Alexandria, the Statue of Zeus, the Temple of Diana at Ephesus, and the Mausoleum of Halicarnassus.
Todd Jensen
Hufflepuffs are really good finders

Sixth
Anthony Tini

FIFTH!
Matt - [Saint Louis, Missouri, USA]

Cinder Fall, Mercury Black, Emerald Sustrai, and... [REDACTED]!

Matthew: It's already up on Rooster Teeth's website, though exclusively for subscribers. I bit the bullet and purchased a membership ($17 for 6 months) because I simply couldn't wait.

The episode was a ton of fun, and I cannot wait for more!

Masterdramon - [kmc12009 at mymail dot pomona dot edu]
"Would you believe...that I've always wished I could be somepony else? Yet I can't see...what I need to do, to be the pony I wanna be..." - Diamond Tiara

In honor of Monty Oum, we look forward to volume 3!
Matthew
From far, from eve and morning, And yon twelve-winded sky, The stuff of life to knit me, Blew hither: here am I. -A.E. Housman

SECOND!
Phoenician
"The suspense is terrible, I hope it lasts" -- Willy Wonka

Guess I'll be the FIRST to buy the series a beer.
Brainiac - [OSUBrainiac at gmail dot com]
There is balance in all things. Live in symmetry with the world around you. If you must blow things up and steal from those around you, THAT'S WHAT RPGS ARE FOR!