Hey! It's been several years since I've posted anything & I'm more of a "lurking in the shadows" kind of gargoyles fan now-a-days, but I saw this Gargoyles question brought up on a popular movie talk show recently & wondered if anyone else saw it & if so, any thoughts? (Any time I see/hear Gargoyles mentioned outside of the fandom I feel the need to share with the fandom) Sorry if I'm interrupting a conversation already started, and if I have, please kindly ignore my questioning. The video is here and starts at about 44:56 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDi-pfwT9NY&list=PLayt6616lBcmbuEa2cRW7Xe4_NrnVrxXn&index=4
Charisma82
"Some say the world will end in fire, Some say in ice. From what I've tasted of desire I hold with those who favor fire. But if it had to perish twice, I think I know enough of hate To say that for destruction ice Is also great And would suffice." - Robert Frost
posted @ Sat, Nov 28, 2015 6:06:52 pm EST from 72.169.96.154

HAPPY TURKEY DAY TO ALL MY YANK FRIENDS!

GOBBLE-GOBBLE!
Algernon
Here, too, when they came, they found the Huns, whose warlike fury had swept the earth like a living flame, till the dying peoples held that in their veins ran the blood of those old witches, who, expelled from Scythia had mated with the devils in the desert. Fools, fools! What devil or what witch was ever so great as Attila, whose blood is in these veins?
posted @ Thu, Nov 26, 2015 1:08:00 pm EST from 109.79.63.153

If Hakon had died in battle against the gargoyles he probably would've ended up in Valhalla. But instead he killed them in their sleep which is distinctly not honorable and then tried to pass the buck later on. After that I'm sure he earned his place in Niflheim which I like to think he ended up in after his ax was destroyed.
Matthew
From far, from eve and morning, And yon twelve-winded sky, The stuff of life to knit me, Blew hither: here am I. -A.E. Housman
posted @ Tue, Nov 24, 2015 3:34:29 am EST from 64.85.229.140

Speaking of Norse mythology, I also recently thought of "Gargoyles" while rereading the story of Thor and Utgard-Loki.

For those of you not familiar with it (maybe not that many people, since it's one of the most popular Norse myths)or whose memory of it might be cloudy, in the story, Thor visits the castle of the giant king Utgard-Loki (not to be confused with regular Loki, though they might have been the same person in earlier versions of the Norse myths than the recorded ones) and enters a series of contests, only to lose in them, to his bewilderment. At the end of the story, Utgard-Loki reveals that Thor did a lot better in those contests than he'd thought and the reason why he looked as if he'd done so poorly was because of a series of illusions Utgard-Loki had woven, to disguise the true nature of what Thor was pitted against.

Something about the atmosphere of this story made me think of Goliath pitted against Xanatos's stratagems, with Utgard-Loki's explanatory speech at the end being the counterpart of Xanatos's little "what-his-real-scheme-was" speech at the end of a "Gargoyles" episode (though Xanatos delivers those speeches to someone like Owen or Fox, rather than to Goliath).

I still sometimes wonder how Goliath and his clan would have responded to Thor (regular Norse myth Thor, not Marvel Comics Thor); he was a protector-figure himself, but his favorite weapon being a hammer - after "The Journey", I can imagine the gargs being uneasy about that.
Todd Jensen
Hufflepuffs are really good finders
posted @ Mon, Nov 23, 2015 10:27:56 pm EST from 68.231.85.113

I admit, I preferred Hakon's eternally trapped fate implied by his previous appearance. The only way his "death" feels even remotely sufficient to me is if he's basically in something similar to the state Sauron fell into after the One Ring was destroyed.
Brainiac - [OSUBrainiac at gmail dot com]
There is balance in all things. Live in symmetry with the world around you. If you must blow things up and steal from those around you, THAT'S WHAT RPGS ARE FOR!
posted @ Mon, Nov 23, 2015 8:55:39 pm EST from 72.49.128.77

Yes, that act of Hakon's would seem cowardly to Odin.
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Of course, Greg Weisman's hinted that some sort of Ragnarok has already taken place in the Gargoyles Universe (though Odin clearly survived; if he was swallowed by the Fenris-wolf, it must not have been for long - and according to the Norse myths, his son Vidar ripped Fenris apart in a way that could have freed Odin), so there might not be a need for Valhalla any longer.
Todd Jensen
Hufflepuffs are really good finders
posted @ Mon, Nov 23, 2015 8:28:13 pm EST from 68.231.85.113

TODD> I know Norse morals were pretty brutal by our marginally less rapey pillagey 21st century standards, but I can't imagine Odin or any perspective Valkyries being impressed by Hakon's "He's the one you want! He shattered them!" bull.

That really the kinda dude you want watchin' your back come Ragnarok?
Algernon
Here, too, when they came, they found the Huns, whose warlike fury had swept the earth like a living flame, till the dying peoples held that in their veins ran the blood of those old witches, who, expelled from Scythia had mated with the devils in the desert. Fools, fools! What devil or what witch was ever so great as Attila, whose blood is in these veins?
posted @ Mon, Nov 23, 2015 8:10:07 pm EST from 109.79.109.224

Paul McGann. (Well, today's the anniversary of "Doctor Who"'s premiere, so it seemed appropriate.)

I've been rereading up a lot on Norse mythology lately, which got me wondering - what sort of afterlife is Hakon in for? In Norse myth, the rules for the afterlife were: if you were slain in battle, you went to Valhalla to become one of Odin's warriors who'd fight for him at Ragnarok, but if you died from illness or old age, you went to the domain of Hela (the goddess of the dead). But Hakon died from falling off a cliff, and there's no mention in the Norse myths of what sort of afterlife that led to.

Of course, Hakon didn't proceed to a regular afterlife after his death, but haunted the Archmage's cave until he got Wolf to bring him to New York, where his ghost was banished after his axe was destroyed. Since Hakon's ghost was banished while in a fight, it just might qualify him for Valhalla, but since that was as a ghost, it might be considered to not count - though I could imagine Hakon insisting that it does. (In fact, it sounds like the kind of thing that could tie up an afterlife tribunal for years.)
Todd Jensen
Hufflepuffs are really good finders
posted @ Mon, Nov 23, 2015 7:33:20 pm EST from 68.231.85.113

C up to B (major), or C up to B-flat (minor).
Paul - [nampahcfluap at yahoo dot com]
posted @ Mon, Nov 23, 2015 5:38:01 pm EST from 73.176.251.27

The only thing that can make sixth more perfect...extra turkey!
Brainiac - [OSUBrainiac at gmail dot com]
There is balance in all things. Live in symmetry with the world around you. If you must blow things up and steal from those around you, THAT'S WHAT RPGS ARE FOR!
posted @ Mon, Nov 23, 2015 8:55:51 am EST from 104.129.196.74

FIFTH!

"Now it all started two Thanksgivings ago... two years ago, on Thanksgiving,
When my friend and I went up to visit Alice at the restaurant.

But Alice doesn't live in the restaurant, she lives in the church nearby the
Restaurant, in the bell tower with her husband Ray and Facha, the dog.

And livin' in the bell tower like that, they got a lot of room downstairs
Where the pews used to be, and havin' all that room (seein' as how they took
Out all the pews), they decided that they didn't have to take out their
Garbage for a long time.

We got up here and found all the garbage in there and we decided that it'd
Be a friendly gesture for us to take the garbage down to the city dump.

So we took the half-a-ton of garbage, put it in the back of a red VW
Microbus, took shovels and rakes and implements of destruction, and headed
On toward the city dump. Well, we got there and there was a big sign and a
Chain across the dump sayin', 'This dump is closed on Thanksgiving,' and
We'd never heard of a dump closed on Thanksgiving before, and with tears in
Our eyes, we drove off into the sunset lookin' for another place to put the
Garbage.

We didn't find one till we came to a side road, and off the side of the side
Road was another fifteen-foot cliff, and at the bottom of the cliff was
Another pile of garbage. And we decided that one big pile was better than
Two little piles, and rather than bring that one up, we decided to throw
Ours down. That's what we did."
Masterdramon - [kmc12009 at mymail dot pomona dot edu]
"The answer was so simple, I was too SMART to see it!" - Princess Bonnibel Bubblegum
posted @ Mon, Nov 23, 2015 6:23:24 am EST from 66.27.220.40

Gobble-gobble-gobble-gobble!
Algernon
Here, too, when they came, they found the Huns, whose warlike fury had swept the earth like a living flame, till the dying peoples held that in their veins ran the blood of those old witches, who, expelled from Scythia had mated with the devils in the desert. Fools, fools! What devil or what witch was ever so great as Attila, whose blood is in these veins?
posted @ Mon, Nov 23, 2015 5:07:12 am EST from 78.143.162.193

Pecan, Pumpkin, and Chocolate Cream Pie!
Matthew
From far, from eve and morning, And yon twelve-winded sky, The stuff of life to knit me, Blew hither: here am I. -A.E. Housman
posted @ Mon, Nov 23, 2015 2:16:29 am EST from 64.85.229.140

Second!
Phoenician
"The suspense is terrible, I hope it lasts" -- Willy Wonka
posted @ Mon, Nov 23, 2015 1:34:23 am EST from 68.231.102.71

First in the name of Turkey Dinner!
Chip - [Sir_Griff723 at yahoo dot com]
I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen: not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else. ~~C.S. Lewis
posted @ Mon, Nov 23, 2015 12:22:01 am EST from 97.91.211.217