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Comments for the week ending April 7, 2019

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You know thinking back to "Spirits of Ash and Foam" one of the plot points is that some of the characters believe that the recent return of a species of mosquitoes is due to diapause. Basically when insects or other arthropods enter a period of extended dormancy until conditions are more favorable. It turns out that's not the case but it got me thinking...

What if the dragons weren't wiped out but rather went into period of suspended animation until conditions were right? Say like when the Children of Oberon left the world behind for Avalon? Sure there would still be the matter of modern technology but if the Gargoyles could adapt perhaps the dragons could too.

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SOMEGEEK> I do tend to agree with you that if "real" dragons ever existed in the GU, they probably don't any more. :(
Here thar be dragons!

Much as we’ve seen some variation of gargoyle design ( At least three variants seen on the Avalon world tour of season 2), I wouldn’t be surprised if dragons were another variation of gargoyle.

But other possibilities might include:
the progenitor of gargoyle races.
A member of the third race ( if going for more magical oriented dragon lore; perhaps was even in the background of the gathering in a shapechanged form)
A random beast/monster like Locke ness’ creature
A factionalized creature that one/more members of the third race have taken the form of to ‘play’ with the myth to mortals adding to the legend

Furthermore,if they did exist as distinct creatures ( rather than facade by third race beings) either they’re extinct, or hiding. If hiding they’d either be shapechanged, or in an area masked like Avalon or New Olympia, or in an area otherwise not easily accessible to man ( mountain tops, under the ocean, deep under ground)


MATTEW> To my reckoning, mythological dragons seem to fall into two broad categories.

1) Non-sapient dragons who are generally depicted as big ol' slavering monsters mindlessly gobbling up anything or anyone in sight. E.G. the aforementioned Gargouille or the dragons famously slain by Beowulf or St. George respectively.

2) Sapient dragons who, in addition being able to hold down a conversation, usually have far out magic powers like immortality, shapeshifting or weather control. E.G. The Chinese Ao Guang or the Russian Zmei.

The latter feels like Third Race territory to me. The former... who knows?

Here thar be dragons!

Considering the wide variety of dragons throughout the world, I have to wonder if they're as diverse as the gargoyles are.
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TODD> Tis indeed interesting how many times dragons have been mentioned or alluded to throughout the series yet we've never seen a 'real' one in canon or have much idea what they'd be like in the GU.

It makes one wonder...


Am I six?

I was just playing through the Insomniac Spider-Man game’s DLC, and one aide mission involves tracking down a bunch of stolen art. One of the paintings is stashed on top of the Chrysler Building. Hmm, where have I seen that before?

Jurgan - [jurgan6 at yahoo dot com]

Returning to our earlier discussion of which mythical figures we'd like to see in the Gargoyles Universe - there's one figure I hadn't mentioned before, but who recently struck me as extremely appropriate for it.

There's a legend about a dragon named Gargouille who used to maraud the area of France around Rouen, until the local bishop (named Romanus, I recall) slew it, and hung its head upon the town walls.

The name "Gargouille" clearly evokes "gargoyle", and the story may have developed in part as an "origin-myth" for architectural gargoyles (both the name and the actual features), which would certainly give it a strong link to gargoyles. So I'd say that Gargouille would have to show up somewhere.

And there's already indication that gargoyles have some kind of connection to dragons, from the name of Wyvern Hill (a wyvern being a variety of dragon), not to mention Iago/Coldsteel's oath "By the Dragon!" in "Possession" (though since the Wyvern gargs are Scottish and Gargouille was French, there's probably not a direct link to Gargouille there.

Todd Jensen

The Sun, the Moon, the Stars, the Earth, the Sky, and the Ocean.

When asked if anything said today is accurate, I imagine the Fifth will be invoked.

Matthew> Glad you got to meet Nichelle Nichols last week. Apparently she's winding down her time on the con circuit and will be having her farewell convention in thirteen months.


(also, this site was created long before today and will indeed persist after in case anyone is suspicious)

Brainiac - [OSUBrainiac at gmail dot com]
There is balance in all things. Live in symmetry with the world around you. If you must blow things up and steal from those around you, THAT'S WHAT RPGS ARE FOR!

Athos, Porthos, Aramis & d'Artagnan!

I look forward to Greg's totally legitimate responses as well.
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Vinnie - [thomaspeano at yahoo dot com]
Deplorable and loving it!

No Joke, Young Justice: Outsiders returns July 2nd.

Also, FIRST.

Also, fingers crossed for some Weismantics with the AskGreg queue d:

"The suspense is terrible, I hope it lasts" -- Willy Wonka