I guess you're right Todd, just wanted to be on the safe side.
Matthew
Insert Inspirational Quote Here:________
posted @ Sun, Nov 10, 2019 7:33:06 pm EST from 73.158.223.17

MATTHEW - I'd thought that [SPOILER[ there might be a connection between Brooklyn's actual eyepatch post-Timedancer and his costume in "Eye of the Beholder" [/SPOILER] but hadn't imagined that it could be linked to an actual encounter with a famous historical pirate who'd taken on legendary stature. But that does sound like the kind of thing that would fit in well with "Gargoyles".

(Since the element you're referring to came out around ten years ago, with the publication of "Clan-Building Volume Two", I wonder if it still needs spoiler tags. It's been around long enough that I suspect everyone here knows it; it's not something on the level of, say, [SPOILER] the revelation at the end of "DuckTales" Season Two that Scrooge's advisors are also the heads of F.O.W.L. [/SPOILER].)
Todd Jensen
posted @ Sun, Nov 10, 2019 6:49:09 pm EST from 68.231.65.221

Hi Mr. Weisman. I have a question for you:

I don't know if you are aware, but in the "Early Warning" episode of Whelmed: The Young Justice Files the host quoted you on something you told him in conversation. This is something that used to happen now and then, but lately it happens in almost every episode: "Greg texted me this", "Brandon emailed me that", "Greg/Brandon told me whatever", etc.

So, looking at your 2-year backlog of 2000 questions, I'm wondering: why are you giving BTS information to this one person while the rest of your fanbase has to submit questions and wait months (at least) or YEARS (worst case and more likely scenario) for an answer???? It must be really cool to be so intimate and chummy with one's idol, and I bet the host feels super important and validated, but this is some double standard bullshit!

Are you aware of this? And if you are, how can you be okay with it? Don't you think this is unfair? You have thousands of fans who support your work whichever way they can, but 99.9% of them have never even met you in person, let alone exchanged emails or text messages with you.

If I make an entire podcast dedicated to kissing your asses, will I earn the same privileges? Will I be able to ask all my questions without a waiting queue? Will I get to hang out with you, have lunch together or exchange personal contacts?

(Originally I posted this on AskGreg, but then I decided I shouldn't have to wait 2 years for an answer, for all the reasons above.)
Jordan
posted @ Sun, Nov 10, 2019 5:55:52 pm EST from 51.68.205.163

I imagine they'd go the same route that they did with Macbeth when it cam to Dracula; blend the historical with the mythological. Mention his war against the Turks as well as the fact that he learned magic at Scholomance.

There's a number of people like that could fit that criteria, like Edward Teach aka Blackbeard. [SPOILER] I like the idea that Brooklyn met him during his Timedancer arc and ended up losing his eye to him in a fight. That way he got himself a genuine pirate eye patch. [/SPOILER]
Matthew
Insert Inspirational Quote Here:________
posted @ Sun, Nov 10, 2019 5:35:31 pm EST from 73.93.153.58

Phew! The site's back up again.

ALGAE - [I'd personally lay fair odds that Demona has actually met Dracula at some point.]

And I doubt it was a friendly meeting, either. Demona would probably have regarded him as human of a sort, even if he was now a vampire - and I think that Dracula would have seen Demona as a threat, since even if she leaves the vampires alone (not likely), her "wipe out humanity" goal would cost him and his kind their chief food supply; he can't let her get rid of all those "walking Happy Meals".

Which offers a potential story of Goliath and his clan making an uneasy alliance with Dracula against Demona's latest "wipe out the human race" scheme - both parties aware that the moment Demona's scheme has been foiled, the truce will be over and they'll go back to being adversaries, but both recognizing that, for their own reasons, neither wants to see Demona succeed.
Todd Jensen
posted @ Sun, Nov 10, 2019 7:28:27 am EST from 68.231.65.221

TODD> "A new thought on Demona's snarl in response to the "Dracula's daughter" line. Dracula, of course, was a human before he became a vampire; small wonder that Demona's so indignant. Suggesting that she's related to a human - even a human altered into another mythical "creature of the night" - is bound to be the biggest insult she could think of."

I'd personally lay fair odds that Demona has actually met Dracula at some point.
Algae
We're gonna win in the end!
posted @ Sat, Nov 9, 2019 9:55:13 am EST from 86.45.213.181

MATTHEW - Hadn't thought of it, but it's a good point.
Todd Jensen
posted @ Fri, Nov 8, 2019 9:22:23 pm EST from 68.231.65.221

Puck being familiar enough to use modern technology in conjunction with his magic kinda unintentionally foreshadowed that Puck was more used to the human world than you'd expect from a magical hobgoblin.
Matthew
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posted @ Fri, Nov 8, 2019 8:53:44 pm EST from 73.158.223.17

MASTERDRAMON - Thanks for the information. While I haven't felt much interest in Disney's live-action remakes in general, I've made an exception for "The Sword in the Stone" because of my Arthurian tastes. The animated movie isn't one of Disney's best, but I thought it had some good moments, and particularly fixed a plothole in the original story.

In Malory, the Sword in the Stone appears when the Archbishop summons the leading nobles to London for a Christmas service, to pray for a sign from God to settle the succession crisis. The nobles all try to pull the sword out, none of them can, so they decide to get as many knights to London as possible to make the attempt, and in order to attract them, proclaim a tournament on New Year's Day (a sort of "come for the jousting, stay for the Sword in the Stone" strategy). Among those who come are Sir Ector, the newly-knighted Sir Kay, and Arthur, serving as Kay's squire; on the day of the tournament, Kay loses his sword, sends Arthur off to find one, and Arthur pulls the sword out of the stone. Except - since the Sword in the Stone is the big attraction of the tournament, the whole reason why they're having it, it seems strange that Arthur should be so ignorant of it, ignorant enough to treat it as just a handy sword for his foster-brother.

The Disney animated movie changed the story in a way that solved that problem. After the nobles have all failed to pull the sword out of the stone, they give up on it, and turn to other ways of settling the succession - apparently fighting each other over the throne. The sword is forgotten, and brambles spring up to hide it. The tournament on New Year's Day isn't a device to attract as many possible candidates to London to have a go at the sword; it's an attempt to solve the succession problem, with the winner of the tournament becoming the new king. Thus, Arthur's ignorance of the Sword in the Stone's true nature becomes more convincing.

I hope the live-action movie will follow that approach. (I'm curious, as well, over how it'll differ from the animated movie on other ways. I've read that one of the people working on it - either the director or the writer, I can't remember which - worked on "Game of Thrones"; might that mean more attention to the power struggles over the throne during the interregnum after Uther's passing? Though, since it'll be a Disney movie, likely aimed at a family audience, I doubt it'll resemble "Game of Thrones" that much.)

Rewatched "The Mirror" today. A few new observations about it.

The exhibit at the museum was "Titania's Treasures" - plural, meaning that the Mirror was just one of them. I wonder what the others might have been, though they probably weren't as powerful as the Mirror, since Demona didn't try stealing them. I did note a large golden object, something like a mummy-case, in the same room; I wonder what it was.

A new thought on Demona's snarl in response to the "Dracula's daughter" line. Dracula, of course, was a human before he became a vampire; small wonder that Demona's so indignant. Suggesting that she's related to a human - even a human altered into another mythical "creature of the night" - is bound to be the biggest insult she could think of.

Puck blends a little science with magic (if not on the scale as Coldstone or Demona's "Hunter's Moon" scheme) when he taps into, first a satellite dish to turn all the humans in the city into gargoyles, then a television antenna to change them all back.

When those three young female gargoyles gave the trio the eye - I wonder if if had anything to do with their being in loincloths at the time. (Apart from that, none of the transformed humans seem to have given the gargoyles' attire any attention - of course, this *is* New York....)

During those transformations, the statue of Prometheus at Rockefeller Center remains human-like in appearance - apparently without the transformed citizenry giving it any thought.

Apparently, the dog that Puck changed Bronx into was an Irish wolfhound - appropriate, in light of "The Hound of Ulster".

I can't help thinking that Demona must have regarded those "humans-turned-gargoyles" rushing to her aid as one of her most humiliating experiences yet.

The ending sparks a new possible explanation for why Demona's "Hunter's Moon" scheme failed; it was less than seven years (far less than seven years) since she'd smashed Titania's Mirror.

The "gargoyle citizenry" fleeing in panic, screaming "Humans!" is one of the funniest moments in the episode (maybe even in the series), but I recently saw a more serious aspect to it; I'll save that for next Monday, though, when the room will be fresh.
Todd Jensen
posted @ Fri, Nov 8, 2019 7:35:52 pm EST from 68.231.65.221

Jordan: You can keep re-posting that spiel until you're blue in the face, but I doubt it makes it any more likely Greg will respond to you. Indeed, if I was him, incessantly spamming it would probably have the opposite effect.

As moderator, I'd also be remiss if I didn't point out that I'll be deleting this question when I get to it in the queue, since it violates Guideline #11 by containing profanity. It also straddles the line for Guideline #12, being excessively rude and abrasive.

Todd: Yup, as of now live-action versions of Lady and the Tramp, Peter Pan, and The Sword in the Stone have been announced as coming to Disney+:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_original_films_distributed_by_Disney%2B
Masterdramon - [kmc12009 at mymail dot pomona dot edu]
"I'm still Lily, and that's who I'm always going to be!" - Lily Hoshikawa
posted @ Thu, Nov 7, 2019 10:26:23 pm EST from 76.173.134.25

Rewatched "A Lighthouse in the Sea of Time" today. Things I noticed this time around (apparently for the first time):

I'd known that Lexington and Brooklyn were shown reading at the clock tower, near the beginning, but this time I spotted the title of one of Lexington's magazines ("Science Inquiry" - definitely sounds like the kind of thing he'd like to read) and whatever Brooklyn was reading ("Tempo" - the title suggests a magazine, but it looked like a book). I also noticed that Owen was reading a newspaper at the castle; I'd tied in Brooklyn and Lexington's reading with the episode's theme before, but hadn't considered that Owen reading a newspaper might tie in with that as well (perhaps; I might be reading too much into that moment).

Greg Weisman mentioned that they'd originally intended to have Goliath list a few specific books about Merlin in the library, but couldn't get the rights cleared in time. The one he mentioned was Mary Stewart's "The Crystal Cave" (a particularly fine treatment of Merlin's early story, which I recommend); I recently thought it's a pity that they couldn't mention that one, since the timing would have been appropriate. "The Crystal Cave" was published in 1970; "A Lighthouse in the Sea of Time" first aired in 1995. Goliath could have given it a great 25th anniversary tribute.

Continuing the "addressing of gargoyles as beasts and monsters" element that I've been paying closer attention to in my own 25th anniversary viewing, Macbeth calls Broadway "beastie" (a natural Scottish variant - it makes me think of Robert Burns, though Broadway's definitely not "wee, sleekit, cow'rin', timorous" and I doubt there was a panic in his breastie when confronting Macbeth) and Goliath as "monster". He knows better, being a lot more familiar with the true nature of gargoyles than most of their human adversaries - though, as he mentioned, he was in a foul mood at the time.

There's a statue on the walkway in the courtyard of Macbeth's manor-house, though I couldn't tell who it was of.

There's a picture of a Celtic cross at the top of one of Merlin's Scrolls, when we see it unrolled.

This episode's still a favorite of mine; the pro-literacy tone's great, but I'm also really fond of the Arthurian elements. (Speaking of which, I've read - but haven't had this confirmed yet - that the live-action remake of "The Sword in the Stone" might be streaming on Disney Plus. I don't know more, though.)

P.S. A thought I had about Broadway's "If cops were meant to fly..." line from "Her Brother's Keeper" that struck me after rewatching that episode; though he was thinking about Elisa at the time, she was in the helicopter with Derek, who was also a cop at the time - and who gets wings just three episodes later (and as a result of the events in "Her Brother's Keeper"). Though I don't know if that line was written as deliberate foreshadowing or not.
Todd Jensen
posted @ Thu, Nov 7, 2019 7:27:08 pm EST from 68.231.65.221

Jordan, there's no need to be rude about the whole thing, as I've explained before there is a long vetting process for questions to be submitted to Greg. And even then the work and personal lives of both Greg and the moderators means that questions submitted aren't guaranteed to be answered straight away.

Now if you'd like to start your own podcast or website and wish to contact Greg through that then all the power to you. But please don't attack others because you feel frustrated.
Matthew
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posted @ Thu, Nov 7, 2019 4:32:28 pm EST from 73.158.223.17

Hi Mr. Weisman. I have a question for you:

I don't know if you are aware, but in the latest episode of Whelmed: The Young Justice Files the host quoted you on something you told him in conversation. This is something that used to happen now and then, but lately it happens in almost every episode: "Greg texted me this", "Brandon emailed me that", "Greg/Brandon told me whatever", etc.

So, looking at your 2-year backlog of 2000 questions, I'm wondering: why are you giving BTS information to this one person while the rest of your fanbase has to submit questions and wait months (at least) or YEARS (worst case and more likely scenario) for an answer???? It must be really cool to be so intimate and chummy with one's idol, and I bet the host feels super important and validated, but this is some double standard bullshit!

Are you aware of this? And if you are, how can you be okay with it? Don't you think this is unfair? You have thousands of fans who support your work whichever way they can, but 99.9% of them have never even met you in person, let alone exchanged emails or text messages with you.

If I make an entire podcast dedicated to kissing your asses, will I earn the same privileges? Will I be able to ask all my questions without a waiting queue? Will I get to hang out with you, have lunch together or exchange personal contacts?

(Originally I posted this on AskGreg, but then I decided I shouldn't have to wait 2 years for an answer, for all the reasons above.)
Jordan
posted @ Thu, Nov 7, 2019 2:56:04 pm EST from 51.68.205.163

SPEN - Yes, I'd noticed that my regular blue color blended in with the black background a little too much; I had to keep highlighting it to read what I'd written. So I decided to lighten it, so that it'd stand out more clearly.

Oh, and thanks for posting. This room's been so quiet lately; I'm glad to see someone else posting here. (Maybe when Disney Plus launches next week, people will discover "Gargoyles" on it and come here, to bring some flesh blood. It's a big "if" - "Gargoyles" is just one of a lot of things on Disney Plus, and not the best-known or most-often-advertised of them, and watching it on Disney Plus won't tell whoever's watching it about this site, but even a slim hope's better than nothing.)
Todd Jensen
posted @ Wed, Nov 6, 2019 8:27:39 pm EST from 68.231.65.221

Todd: It is so weird seeing you in a new color. Kinda fun, but weird.
Spen
posted @ Wed, Nov 6, 2019 8:15:24 pm EST from 99.203.29.123

Switching my color again, because it duplicates Algae's.

Rewatched "Legion" today; a few new thoughts I had about it.

I spotted fish swimming about in the river near the George Washington Bridge when Coldstone was reviving, and wondered whether there actually were fish in the rivers by Manhattan in the mid-90's; I should probably look it up. (And I should also find out about the building on Ellis Island where the clan confront Coldstone, and whether it's a real building or an invention of the series; given it's Ellis Island, probably the former.)

In Coldstone's memories, he's standing on a vine-covered balcony when Iago's "pouring poison into his ears" about Desdemona and Goliath (now I'm merging two Shakespeare tragedies with that image); I wondered whether the balcony actually existed at the castle, or if it was purely sumbolic (which would match the style in which the memories were depicted). It somehow seemed more Mediterranean than Scottish to me; that might be fitting, since "Othello" was set in the Mediterranean (Venice and Cyprus, to be precise).

When Goliath and Lexington were reunited with Coldstone, I suddenly found myself thinking of the outline Greg Weisman once wrote for the proposed "Gargoyles" live-action movie (and which they rejected), in which Goliath, Lexington, and "Othello" were the gargoyles reawakened in modern times.

Bronx is suspicious of Coldstone at the clock tower; did he sense Iago lurking inside him, or does he just really dislike anything robotic or partly-robotic? (Given the way he treated Coyote just two episodes earlier....)

The bell at the clock tower's ringing again.

One feature about the virus devouring the VR castle that made it seem all the more surrealistic: parts o the castle that haven't been consumed yet are just floating in mid-air. (And then the castle, or at least part of it, gets absorbed into a giant version of Iago....)

The Xanatos Program designed to control Coldstone suddenly felt like a precursor of "Deadly Force".

And the gigantic Iago swatting at Goliath, "Othello", and Desdemona seemed evocative of King Kong similarly swatting at those helicopters. (I wonder if any of the gargoyles ever saw "King Kong" on television, and if so, what they thought at seeing that giant ape scaling a skyscraper in their city....)
Todd Jensen
posted @ Wed, Nov 6, 2019 7:33:50 pm EST from 68.231.65.221

ALGAE - [TODD> I'd always kinda assumed that "man in black" line was written before Coyote's character design was finalized.]

That's a good point; I hadn't thought of it, but it does seem possible.
Todd Jensen
posted @ Tue, Nov 5, 2019 7:42:55 pm EST from 68.231.65.221

TODD> I'd always kinda assumed that "man in black" line was written before Coyote's character design was finalized.

In other news, anyone who's a fan of Zehra Fazal's voice work in Young Justice: Outsiders should definitely check out the latest season of She-Ra & the Princesses of Power.
Algae
We're gonna win in the end!
posted @ Tue, Nov 5, 2019 7:34:22 pm EST from 86.45.213.181

Rewatched "Metamorphosis" on DVD today. The timing felt particularly appropriate, since today I also checked out from the library the third book in the "Athena Club" trilogy by Theodora Goss, "The Sinister Mystery of the Mesmerizing Girl". Goss's "Athena Club" trilogy is a very enjoyable story about the daughters and/or creations of various mad scientists (Mary Jekyll, daughter of Dr. Jekyll, her half-sister Diana Hyde, Beatrice Rappaccini - taken from a short story by Nathaniel Hawthorne, Justine Frankenstein, who'd been created by Victor as the intended bride for his monster, and Catherine Moreau, a panther-woman created by Dr. Moreau) teaming up in Victorian London and battling a group of scheming and amoral "mad scientists" - in alliance with Sherlock Holmes (yes, it's a really big crossover, with other sources - up there with "The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen"). The author got the idea from noting how often in 19th century fantasy or science fiction mad scientists would have female experiments and was inspired to have them team up; Sevarius has followed in those 19th century mad scientists' path with Maggie and Delilah.

A few thoughts I had, watching "Metamorphosis" this time around.

When Derek and Elisa had their exchange about Xanatos being the reincarnation of Snidely Whiplash, I thought "No, he's a lot more dangerous than that." (I assume; I never watched enough "Dudley Do-Right" to be certain.)

A lot of pigeons are clustered around Goliath just before he awakens near the start. You'd think they'd be keeping well away from the clock tower by now. (I recently found myself envisioning a crossover between "Gargoyles" and "The Goodfeathers" from "Animaniacs". I suspect the Goodfeathers would have quickly wound up nervous wrecks after the gargoyles awakened in Manhattan.)

When Derek goes at Sevarius near the end of Act I, just before finding out he's been exposed to mutation, he says "I'd love to do that again." It reminded me of the notes on his "original" in the series development, Catscan, who was imagined as really fond of fighting.

Sevarius' lab had a few animals in cages in the background, but I couldn't tell what they were. (They looked too small to be jungle cats, and didn't have the right shape for bats.) The Mutates' glass cage also contained what looked like a ship's wheel at one point.

When I saw Sevarius' rotating phials, I thought that I'd seen something similar in the opening episodes of "Young Justice", at Cadmus Labs.

Maggie was in a glass cage by herself when the gargoyles came to rescue her, Fang and Claw being apparently somewhere else - no doubt, Xanatos and Sevarius having moved her there as all part of their scheme.

The bell rings in the clock tower again.

I've mentioned before a few times about my initial response to "Metamorphosis" (how Xanatos took me in, even though I knew he was the series antagonist - I mentally applauded him when he refused to cage Derek, saying "He's a man, not an animal" - and how taken aback I was, even after what I'd seen on previous episodes of "Gargoyles", when Sevarius was apparently fatally electrocuted by his eels - it turned out to be an act, of course, but I was thinking "They actually killed a guy on a Disney cartoon?"), so I won't go into further detail about it (except I clearly already did).
Todd Jensen
posted @ Tue, Nov 5, 2019 7:32:40 pm EST from 68.231.65.221

Totally random comment for Greg B. on the off chance he sees it: 14 years after you told me to, I finally got around to watching Clerks!
Spen
"Remember, people are finite, but money is eternal."
posted @ Mon, Nov 4, 2019 11:53:47 pm EST from 174.253.82.60

Rewatched "Leader of the Pack" today.

This one, like most of the Pack episodes, felt more "straight action" than the average "Gargoyles" episode; if more "Gargoyles" episodes were like it, the series probably wouldn't have grabbed me as much. But it had some good moments - not to mention fine animation.

It also had one of the creepier scenes in the series: Coyote's distortion ray - which produces such results as making a prison guard think his hands are melting.

The clock's chiming as the gargoyles awaken; again, Lexington must have gotten it working again.

I particularly liked the scene showing us all the gargoyles, one by one, waking from stone sleep. Since this was the first episode of the new season, I think it made great sense to give us such a re-introduction to the leads.

I was a bit confused at first by Elisa describing Coyote as dressed in black, since the gold parts of his armor had stood out to me most. Once he was back on screen, however, I noticed that he was indeed dressed partly in black, partly in gold.

Hudson continues to show a lot of skill at tracking and spotting clues to events from what they've left behind. (A trait that goes back all the way to "Awakening Part One", where he noted that the Vikings' horse-prints seemed too light - leading to the revelation that those horses were part of a decoy.)

Among my favorite moments during the fight on the ocean liner: Hudson in a staring match with Jackal, Hyena, and Dingo, until he says something like "Come on, we're none of us gettin' any younger", and - at the very end of the action scene - Bronx retreating to the one part of the ocean liner still above water as it sinks, then letting out a mournful howl until Goliath comes to his rescue.

The episode, of course, seems designed in part at skewering audience expectations towards Xanatos as the main antagonist. We're so used to revenge being one of the chief things that drives the villain in adventure cartoons - Xanatos plays as much to our expectations as to the Pack's - and, of course, it was all just a ruse, with Xanatos at the end making his famous remark about revenge being a sucker's game.

Incidentally, many years ago, I discovered a "Quarryman web site" which accused the gargoyles of deliberately sinking the oil tanker during their fight with the Pack in order to pollute the local sea waters. (It made a similar accusation about the destruction of the oil rig in "Double Jeopardy".) I doubt that Castaway would take that route, though; such a take on the gargoyles would demand seeing them as cunning, intelligent beings - and even if Castaway knows that the gargs are an intelligent species, the bulk of the people in New York don't see them that way, and Castaway knows it. So he'd be designing his "anti-gargoyle" propaganda to depict the gargoyles as more like monstrous predators than saboteurs. If he went about publicly accusing the gargoyles of intentionally trying to pollute the countryside, almost everyone would soon see him as out of his head - would probably expect him next to claim that a couple of talking chipmunks are traveling the world in a miniature home-made plane, rescuing people and foiling villains.
Todd Jensen
posted @ Mon, Nov 4, 2019 7:36:22 pm EST from 68.231.65.221

Hi Jordan and welcome to the comment room! As Todd pointed out Greg doesn't visit here very often, the last time he did was something of a surprise.

Now it's important to remember that these questions don't go to Greg directly, they are first vetted by the site's moderators to get rid of the spam, inappropriate questions etc. It's also important to remember that both the moderators and Greg have lives of their own and in Greg's case, busy with other projects. Suffice to say, there's a lot of hoops to jump through.

On the other hand, podcasts like Whelmed: The Young Justice Files and that Spectacular Spider-Man one whose name I can't remember most likely reached out directly for interviews. And even then they most likely had to schedule those interviews for a later date.

While it might not seem fair, I personally prefer knowing that Greg can't answer all questions submitted due to being busy creating new content for us fans rather than just blowing the fans off (which I know some creators do).
Matthew
Insert Inspirational Quote Here:________
posted @ Mon, Nov 4, 2019 4:06:31 pm EST from 64.85.228.110

Thank you for telling me that, Todd Jensen. I will repost my question periodically then.
Jordan
posted @ Mon, Nov 4, 2019 11:19:12 am EST from 51.68.205.163

Adora, Glimmer, Bow & Swift Wind! Best Friend Quad 4EVAH!!!
Algae
We're gonna win in the end!
posted @ Mon, Nov 4, 2019 9:11:18 am EST from 86.45.213.181

JORDAN - I should warn you that Greg doesn't come by this comment room that often, so he might not see your post and be able to respond to it.

I rewatched "Her Brother's Keeper" and "Re-Awakening" on Friday. A few thoughts (mostly in the "things I noticed this time around" category).

HER BROTHER'S KEEPER: Season One's "gargoyles-lite" episode: the focus is on the human characters (Elisa, Derek, Xanatos, the Pack - and a bit more of Elisa's parents). The main gargoyle element is the trio quarreling with each other while working on the helicopter (fortunately, it doesn't reach "Fight Cloud" level and they've made peace by the end).

The first time I saw this episode (when it premiered), I assumed that Elisa's tape-recording of Fox would convince Derek not to work for Xanatos; as we know, it didn't. I suspect, though, that it was designed to offer that hope in case there wasn't a Season Two, suggesting a seeming resolution. (The somber mood of the ending, however, with Elisa silently looking at the snow at the clock tower, prepares us for the real outcome, which we'd discover in "Metamorphosis".)

Broadway's concern about Elisa at the start (including his "If cops were meant to fly, they'd have wings" line) indicates that Elisa had shared with the gargs how she was shadowing Xanatos by helicopter.

Derek, discussing Xanatos's offer with Diane Maza, says that "it could lead to a whole new career for me". He's more right than he thinks - though I doubt he had in mind being in charge of an underground sanctuary for homeless humans, Mutates, and gargoyle clones.

Brooklyn steps in when Lexington and Broadway are arguing with each other (while keeping watch for Jackal and Hyena), another indication of his leadership qualities that will lead to his becoming Goliath's second-in-command.

Lexington quotes Launchpad's "Any landing you can walk away from...." line after crashing the helicopter. (I wonder whether Launchpad originated that line or if it was around even before "Duck Tales". For that matter, since Hudson was watching a Donald Duck cartoon three episodes earlier, might the trio have come across reruns of "Duck Tales" by this time?)

Brooklyn has large heavy things/people land on him twice in this episode - first Broadway, then a tree.

Near the end, we see one of the hands of the clock tower moving. Apparently Lexington did get the clock running again - though we don't know how long that lasted.

RE-AWAKENING: A very good season finale. If "Gargoyles" hadn't been renewed for a second season, it would have made a good finale with the clan taking on the role as Manhattan's protectors. (It's a good thing, though, that we got the second season, since there were still a few questions that hadn't been answered yet: How did Demona survive the past thousand years if she wasn't under the Magus's spell? What was the connection between her and the mysterious Macbeth? Why was Xanatos so eager to hire Derek? Fortunately, we got answers to all those questions - and early in Season Two, at that.)

I think it's noteworthy that the gargoyles take up the "city's protectors" role at the end of the season - in the last couple of scenes. It's another sign that "Gargoyles" was not a conventional super-hero cartoon; it's able to go for thirteen episodes and give the gargoyles plenty of adventures in that time before they vow to protect Manhattan. Their story stemmed from their being gargoyles, living gargoyles in the modern world. Their "gargoyleness" wasn't just a plot device to give them crime-fighting abilities, but central to their nature and the tone of the series.

Mr. Jaffe the shopkeeper shows more exasperation than fear towards the robber: definitely a New Yorker. :)

(While I don't think the robber in this episode showed up in any other episodes, I recall that shortly before "Gargoyles" premiered, they did a "teaser commercial" for it which showed a crook fleeing from an unseen pursuer - obviously one of the gargoyles - and I think he might have been the one from this episode. It's been so long since i saw it, though, that I can't be certain; did anyone else here see that commercial?)

"Othello"'s suggestion in the flashback that they just leave the castle, let the Vikings have it, and Hudson's response, evoked Mr. Jaffe's refusal to flee the neighborhood in the present, this time around.

After Coldstone rescues Goliath, Demona tells him, "Thank you for saving Goliath - for me!" Evidently Demona shares with so many other vengeful villains the outlook of "It's not enough to get rid of the hero; I want the 'pleasure' of doing him in myself." (It reminds me of my speculation of how Demona would respond if humanity got wiped out by someone other than her - with possible fury and frustration that she's been cheated out of her vengeance.)

It's been enjoyable rewatching the first season of "Gargoyles"; it's been quite a while since I saw them all in order. I'm looking forward to doing the same with Season Two.
Todd Jensen
posted @ Mon, Nov 4, 2019 8:18:32 am EST from 68.231.65.221

Hi Mr. Weisman. I have a question for you:

I don't know if you are aware, but in the latest episode of Whelmed: The Young Justice Files the host quoted you on something you told him in conversation. This is something that used to happen now and then, but lately it happens in almost every episode: "Greg texted me this", "Brandon emailed me that", "Greg/Brandon told me whatever", etc.

So, looking at your 2-year backlog of 2000 questions, I'm wondering: why are you giving BTS information to this one person while the rest of your fanbase has to submit questions and wait months (at least) or YEARS (worst case and more likely scenario) for an answer???? It must be really cool to be so intimate and chummy with one's idol, and I bet the host feels super important and validated, but this is some double standard bullshit!

Are you aware of this? And if you are, how can you be okay with it? Don't you think this is unfair? You have thousands of fans who support your work whichever way they can, but 99.9% of them have never even met you in person, let alone exchanged emails or text messages with you.

If I make an entire podcast dedicated to kissing your asses, will I earn the same privileges? Will I be able to ask all my questions without a waiting queue? Will I get to hang out with you, have lunch together or exchange personal contacts?

(Originally I posted this on AskGreg, but then I decided I shouldn't have to wait 2 years for an answer, for all the reasons above.)
Jordan
posted @ Mon, Nov 4, 2019 2:48:06 am EST from 51.89.139.87

(#1)Number one with a bullet but always first over all!
Vinnie - [thomaspeano at yahoo dot com]
Deplorable and loving it!
posted @ Mon, Nov 4, 2019 12:13:28 am EST from 172.14.186.123