Craig> Which set runs depends on whether or not the tiebreaker puts in an appearance on the server. As to which episodes, a few can be guessed - the Voices from the Eyrie Twitter posted some obvious Father's Day choices today.
Brainiac - [OSUBrainiac at gmail dot com]
There is balance in all things. Live in symmetry with the world around you. If you must blow things up and steal from those around you, THAT'S WHAT RPGS ARE FOR!
posted @ Sun, Jun 18, 2023 9:38:08 pm EDT from 184.54.103.20

Well, no one can tell you what to write or not write but you. If you write a Gargoyles fanfic on, say, fanfiction.net or archiveofourown.org, Gargoyles fans here will read it.
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posted @ Sun, Jun 18, 2023 7:56:17 pm EDT from 74.74.246.146

Hello again. I want to make a story based on Gargoyles, & mixed with a little bit of vampirism. Is that ok? It could be short, but fun & interesting. Please let me know what you all think. Thank you. 😃
Valerie Mihelcich - [MissAdventure27AFC at hotmail dot com]
Valerie Mihelcich
posted @ Sun, Jun 18, 2023 1:23:15 pm EDT from 172.58.122.204

Brianiac > Cool idea. I know nothing about Discord, and probably won’t be able to attend due to personal matters. But I do love the “City of Stone” commentary (even moreso now that we’ve lost Michael Reaves). And I also like the latter idea of themed episodes. I can easily envision episodes themed around fathers and African American culture, but what episode(s) do you have in mind for Pride? Or would you prefer to keep that a surprise for those who attend?
Craig
posted @ Sun, Jun 18, 2023 12:07:08 pm EDT from 107.127.7.30

For those curious, the first watch party we did was plenty of fun and if you can make it I would highly recommend it.

Discord is plenty easy to sign up for, I personally did it for other Twitch streams. Don't worry too much if your computer doesn't have the best microphone options, text chats are available and we did plenty of that when we watched "Awakening."

I hope to see plenty more people on Juneteenth!
Matthew
Ain't nothing crazy 'bout me but my brain!
posted @ Sat, Jun 17, 2023 9:08:01 pm EDT from 73.222.9.213

Someone advised me to post about this in here before refresh (I was planning after). A second watch party is on for The Gargoyle Nation on Discord (invite link via my name). Everyone is welcome to join us on Monday @ 3 PM Eastern for either City of Stone commentary edition or a collection of episodes geared around Father's Day, Juneteenth, and Pride Month.
Brainiac - [OSUBrainiac at gmail dot com]
There is balance in all things. Live in symmetry with the world around you. If you must blow things up and steal from those around you, THAT'S WHAT RPGS ARE FOR!
posted @ Sat, Jun 17, 2023 8:17:34 pm EDT from 184.54.103.20

Yes. We did get a glimpse of him in the Stone of Destiny story (still the long white beard, but more hair than the Archmage).
Todd Jensen
posted @ Sat, Jun 17, 2023 9:56:03 am EDT from 174.72.60.154

It makes me want to see/read Gargoyles: Pendragon all the more, to compare the treatment of Merlin.
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posted @ Sat, Jun 17, 2023 9:35:01 am EDT from 74.74.246.146

B - I've been watching it as well. I suspect that most (if not all) "Gargoyles" fans would be amused by Merlin's periodic cry of "Odin's eye!" (All the more because his character design, as I've mentioned before, resembles the Archmage's.)

CRAIG - That's a great variant picture for "Dark Ages" #1; I really like the look, in particular, of Prince Malcolm and his men. It almost makes me regret having already pre-ordered my copy (I chose the one with the trio as hatchlings). But I assume that the finished copy will include pictures of all the copies in the back, like the ones from the main "Gargoyles" line.
Todd Jensen
posted @ Fri, Jun 16, 2023 8:56:38 pm EDT from 174.72.60.154

Sorry for the double post. I also see that the Kambadais variant for Gargoyles #9 has been previewed. Always great to see Elisa showcased, and she looks pretty cool here: https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2059/7683/products/85234-hr.jpg?v=1684532812&width=1100
Craig
posted @ Fri, Jun 16, 2023 3:58:48 pm EDT from 209.140.46.34

Yeah, I applaud the team for sticking to a very tight near-monthly schedule. Not easy to do. The passion for the property is clear, obviously from Greg, but also from George and Nate. It's a world of difference from the delays on the SLG run.

The "concept art" variant cover for Dark Ages #1 is online now, and it's pretty cool. I look forward to seeing more of these: https://www.hipcomic.com/listing/gargoyles-dark-ages-1-variant-115-cover-k-nm-dynamite-pre-sale-ships-july-5th/12844719
Craig
posted @ Fri, Jun 16, 2023 3:48:25 pm EDT from 209.140.46.34

Another exciting episode of Unicorn: Warriors Eternal! Anyone else watching?
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posted @ Fri, Jun 16, 2023 3:46:54 pm EDT from 74.74.246.146

Craig: [SPOILER] With time-travel, prophecy, a Lost Race, and other magic rampant in this universe, I wouldn't be so quick to think that the Archmage was directly behind those carvings in "Long Way To Morning" (unless its option one, lol). But yes, I do think the Megalith Dance is a strong candidate indeed!

And how about that tease for Dark Ages #3? Don't think we've had a Giants hint since "Awakening: Part Five" lol [/SPOILER]

As for Gargoyles #7, no delay is fun (especially since we would be even closer to the week-before teaser pages we've been accustomed to).

That said, with the new date (as far as delays go), we ARE maintaining the same average interval between issues (28 days to a month and five days) since "Idyll or Nightmare" came out. And with Dark Ages debuting this summer, unless the days *really* get toggled, we're anticipating 7 day and 21 days waits between new canon. Regularly. Just, wow.
Phoenician
Gus: "I always forget you're there." Hooty: "I forget I'm here toooooo."
posted @ Fri, Jun 16, 2023 3:33:21 pm EDT from 72.216.220.229

[SPOILER] I hadn't thought of the Megalith Dance, but it does make a good candidate. Of course, its cave was some distance from Wyvern Hill, so the building work there wouldn't be likely to disturb the Megalith Dance - unless, say, they were quarrying stone from the cave for building materials.

I'm curious about Greg Weisman's hint that there'd been a previous stone building at Wyvern Hill; he mentioned that there'd been ruins and a foundation that they used when building Castle Wyvern. So what was this previous building? Who lived there? Were Prince Malcolm and his followers not the first humans to settle Wyvern Hill? [/SPOILER]
Todd Jensen
posted @ Fri, Jun 16, 2023 1:42:49 pm EDT from 174.72.60.154

[SPOILER] My first thought on "something that was better left undisturbed" was the Megalith Dance. Especially since we see that the Archmage eventually went into the tunnel and made his own carvings.
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Craig
posted @ Thu, Jun 15, 2023 10:36:41 pm EDT from 63.143.204.146

B - GargWiki.
Todd Jensen
posted @ Thu, Jun 15, 2023 9:29:41 pm EDT from 174.72.60.154

BTW, where was this teaser?
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posted @ Thu, Jun 15, 2023 9:24:31 pm EDT from 74.74.246.146

Matt> [SPOILER] Yes, I'm curious about those last two things especially, how the Archmage gets involved and the naming of the castle. [/SPOILER]
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posted @ Thu, Jun 15, 2023 9:17:54 pm EDT from 74.74.246.146

Yes, I'm curious about the [SPOILER] awakening something that shouldn't have been disturbed part as well (echoes the dwarves of Moria similarly awakening the Balrog). I wonder if that something has anything to do with the Dragon - especially because of Wyvern Hill's name and a wyvern being a variant of a dragon. [/SPOILER]
Todd Jensen
posted @ Thu, Jun 15, 2023 8:37:46 pm EDT from 174.72.60.154

Enduring this super long wait until Chapter 7 and Dark Ages has me binging Gargoyles on Disney+ and re-reading the SLG comics. I forgot in the first half of Clan Building how often I said to myself "poor Brooklyn..." It made me laugh since that has largely been what I was saying about Lexington for Chapters 1-4. Wondering if that story arc will come to an equally awesome conclusion by the end of Here In Manhattan...

Also, not sure if everyone saw the teaser for Dark Ages 3: [SPOILER] LET SLEEPING GIANTS LIE! As Angel languishes in chains, Mentor comes to the rescue — but this escape attempt may cause more harm than good. Meanwhile, construction continues on Castle Wyvern, but the noise awakens something that was better left undisturbed!

Obviously, we don't know who has Angel in chains, but the parallel between that and Goliath in chains in 1997 is interesting. And Mentor attempts a rescue that does more harm than good just like Brooklyn will for Goliath. I assume that is intentional.

Also, interesting to hear about Castle Wyvern being constructed. I didn't expect to see that happen quite so quickly. In my mind construction would start at the end of Alliance or something. But here we are. We know the Castle was built very quickly. Presumably the Clan and the Archmage sped up the construction considerably. I'm excited to see how the Archmage is brought into the fold. And to better understand the origin of Castle Wyvern's name and presumably the phrase "by the dragon..." [/SPOILER]

It's going to be an exciting year for Gargoyles! Just so darn excited to be back!
Matt
"I have one absolute rule: No gargoyle left behind. Period." - Brooklyn, "Render Unto Caesar"
posted @ Thu, Jun 15, 2023 4:28:27 pm EDT from 47.233.90.133

B > I worked as an Assistant District Attorney in Brooklyn for several years. Gathering evidence is indeed a large part of the job, because ultimately you and only you are responsible for making your case as strong as possible, preparing for the event that it is one of the rare few that goes to trial (even if it doesn't, you want to have as much information as possible to reach a fair plea). In my experience, the evidence-gathering was generally done through delegation to police detectives (telling them what I needed, etc.), but there is also the old axiom, "if you want something done right..." On more important cases, I would certainly go to the crime scene to take my own photos, and just to get the lay of the land clear in my own head so that I could best visualize the story as I was telling it to a jury, if it came to that.
Craig
posted @ Wed, Jun 14, 2023 5:41:56 pm EDT from 209.140.44.101

I just found that Young Justice, Adventure Time and Naruto are rated the most popular Cartoon Network shows on next-episode.net

Todd Jensen> "Though a very different character has the "assistant attorney" occupation in 'Gargoyles'."

Yes, quite. I thought about that, too.

Beauty and the Beast showed a high level of involvement by the DA's office in working with the police and physically performing criminal investigations and searches for evidence, which I hadn't known was the case. Presuming that's not a conceit.

Matthew> "Also because it gave Ron the practice in acting in heavy prosthetics that he'd use in later roles like Hellboy."

Although he began to be typecast as wise-cracking tough guys in Hellboy and other roles, which is very unlike Vincent (not that he doesn't have a sense of humor).

Following from what I said earlier, in hindsight it would have been easy or even expected to at the very least have belligerent flirting between the Xanatos character and the Elisa character if not a love triangle, but there was never even that. I wonder if the thought actually never crossed the Gargoyles showrunners' minds or they avoided the idea deliberately.

BTW, Start TV (a standard non-premium cable channel focused on female-led shows related to the male-led Heroes & Icons channel) airs an episode of Beauty and the Beast every day at 5:00 AM, including weekends, and starts (heh) over from the first episode whenever it reaches the end of the series. Dark Angel is available for free on Youtube if you search "dark angel full episodes". And both series are on DVD.
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posted @ Wed, Jun 14, 2023 5:04:30 pm EDT from 74.74.246.146

B - [Catherine Chandler (Linda Hamilton) is an Assistant Defense Attorney, so like Elisa she has a job that involves prosecuting criminals.]

Though a very different character has the "assistant attorney" occupation in "Gargoyles".

Thanks for your reviews, by the way. I'd heard of both series, though never watched them; I certainly hadn't known that George R. R. Martin had worked on "Beauty and the Beast".
Todd Jensen
posted @ Wed, Jun 14, 2023 9:19:36 am EDT from 174.72.60.154

Oh that's a shame, the Romitas are some of my favorite Spider-Man artists.

I do know of Dark Angel and Beauty and the Beast because of them being the breakout roles for Jessica Alba and Ron Perlman. Also because it gave Ron the practice in acting in heavy prosthetics that he'd use in later roles like Hellboy.
Matthew
Ain't nothing crazy 'bout me but my brain!
posted @ Wed, Jun 14, 2023 4:21:52 am EDT from 98.248.2.24

Great discussion!
Halifax Landscaping
posted @ Wed, Jun 14, 2023 3:32:29 am EDT from 180.191.208.193

RIP to artist John Romita Sr who passed on recently: https://twitter.com/JrRomita/status/1668823142775812096

Among his resume was a good tenure on The Amazing Spider-Man while Stan was still writing. And though we get some obscured glimpse of her in the Steve Ditko era, JR SR got to be the guy the fully debut Mary Jane Watson.

Also George Stacy, Hammerhead and even if not on Spectacular, The Kingpin of Crime were also first drawn by him.
Antiyonder
posted @ Wed, Jun 14, 2023 12:48:40 am EDT from 71.84.183.196

Sorry, I misspoke: the cancellation news was not a week after the renewal announcement, it was two days later.
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posted @ Tue, Jun 13, 2023 11:36:25 pm EDT from 74.74.246.146

I'd like to mention and recommend two TV series that are relevant for having similar themes to Gargoyles (or at least, certain plotlines of Gargoyles; Gargoyles has all the things going on), namely Beauty and the Beast (the 1987-1990 TV series which had George R.R. Martin as one of the showrunners) and Dark Angel (2000-2002, co-created by James Cameron). Dark Angel has long been one of my favorites that I rewatch regularly alongside Buffy and Angel (which it's not to be confused with). Beauty and the Beast I saw rerun as a child, and I binge watched it on the Start TV channel recently and was struck all over again by how good it was.

Vincent (Ron Perlman), one half of the titular pairing of Beauty and the Beast is, like Goliath, a scholar despite his powerful frame. Hardly an episode goes by without showcasing his love of literature, poetry and music and having him share them with Catherine. Catherine Chandler (Linda Hamilton) is an Assistant Defense Attorney, so like Elisa she has a job that involves prosecuting criminals. Also like Elisa, she is brave, physically capable and well-versed in self-defense but tends to get into situations it would be hard for an ordinary human to survive without Vincent coming to her aid. I can honestly say no novelist has written a more appealing boyfriend than Vincent. Not only is he erudite and romantically minded, although he and Catherine share a psychic bond, he doesn't go in for creepy possessiveness or stalking and is always respectful and even self-sacrificing.

A recurring character in Beauty and the Beast is Elliot Burch (Edward Albert), a powerful businessman who has a number of parallels with Xanatos. Both are self-made men who started from poor backgrounds to become wealthy CEOs, both build huge towers, both are no strangers to underhanded tactics and alternate between being obstacles and resources for the protagonists, and both are disdained by their humbler fathers. When I marathoned the show recently, it was sometimes like watching Gargoyles if Goliath, Elisa and Xanatos had a love triangle. Not being a romantic foil is one of the key differences between Burch and Xanatos. That, and [SPOILER] Burch is eventually contrite enough to take a bullet for Vincent in Season 3, which I don't see Xanatos ever doing [/SPOILER]. Season 3 introduces a man called Gabriel who has his invisible fingers in all the pies whose influence Burch is no match for, similarly to how Xanatos is a small fry to the Illuminati.

Beauty and the Beast has the exact same setting as Gargoyles, New York City. The Tunnel World under the city's feet, home not only to Vincent but a whole community of people who take refuge there and in each other, has obvious similarities to the Labyrinth where the mutates and the homeless people they protect live. I would not be surprised if Beauty and the Beast had been a direct influence on Gargoyles in this aspect particularly. Vincent also has a cat-like face like the mutates and is probably some kind of naturally occurring mutant, though his origin before being found as a baby is never explained.

George Martin has brief cameos in two episodes as background characters. In the second, he's reading one of his own books in a restaurant.

Dark Angel stars Jessica Alba in her breakout role as the main protagonist, Max Guevara (aka X5-452), a young woman living in 2019 Seattle who was one of twelve genetically engineered children who escaped from a supersoldier program, Manticore, in 2009. 2009 was the near future when this show aired, and a few months after the escape an EMP was set off by terrorists that wiped all of America's computers and reduced the U.S. to a Third World country, coincidentally making it easier for the kids to hide from the forces still covertly chasing them.

Originally a guarded person who denies her own considerable empathy, Max works at the bike messaging service Jam Pony with ordinary human friends like Original Cindy (Valarie Rae Miller) and Sketchy (Richard Gunn) under their annoying boss Normal (J.C. MacKenzie), and becomes involved with an idealistic cyberjournalist named Logan Cale (Michael Weatherly) who's been using a network of informants and operatives to fight corruption and making broadcasts calling out the authorities under the alias Eyes Only. Logan comes from a rich background, though he can't make use of it anymore after exposing his own uncle's misdoings in late Season 1. Original Cindy was a rare example of an out lesbian in genre TV at the time, and in one episode the usually conservative Normal dated a trans woman and had no problem with her gender identity.

Supernatural fans may be aware of the show because Jensen Ackles guest starred in one episode of Season 1, "Pollo Loco", and then was a member of the regular cast in Season 2. He'd played Ben (aka X5-493), a one-off antagonist whom Max had to kill, but the showrunners were so impressed by his performance they brought him back next season as Ben's identical twin brother Alec McDowell (aka X5-494), named for actor Malcolm McDowell and the latter's character Alex DeLarge in A Clockwork Orange. Fans of Star Trek (which there must be here given all the Trek voice actors in Gargoyles), will be interested to know that Nana Visitor, best known for playing Major Kira Nerys in Deep Space Nine, plays Manticore's sinister director Elizabeth Renfro (called "Madame X" in the script for her first few appearances), a role cut from the same cloth as Kira's Mirror Universe counterpart the Intendant, probably not by coincidence.

The opening of Season 2 saw Manticore being destroyed and all the transgenics held at their main facility escaping out into the world (X5-series transgenics like Max look completely human but have some cat DNA, whereas there are others that are blatant human-animal crosses of many different types), therefore the focus shifted to their attempts to make lives for themselves despite human prejudice, much like the gargoyles/Quarrymen plot (which is perhaps more prominent in our memories than it should be since it became the main plotline during The Goliath Chronicles).

Like Greg Weisman's work in Gargoyles, Young Justice and W.I.T.C.H., Dark Angel was always good about showing genetically engineered creations and clones as their own people. Like Gargoyles, it has possible influences from Beauty and the Beast. One of the new characters in Season 2, Joshua (Kevin Durand), has facial similarities to Vincent (although he's part dog rather than part lion) and a gentle, curious demeanor. Joshua was the first transgenic, and like Vincent, he was raised by a scholarly man he knew by the name "Father" (until the military took over Manticore completely). Rather than an underground Labyrinth or Tunnel World, many of the transgenics take refuge in an area of Seattle called Terminal City where ordinary humans can't stay because of a breach in bio-weapons containment. Manticore itself has obvious thematic similarities to Cadmus from DC Comics and Young Justice, another mythologically named Black Ops organization breeding a host of genetic creations (Cadmus was a Theban warrior king who planted dragon's teeth that grew into an army; the manticore is a Persian monster with the body of a lion, tail of a scorpion and face of a man).

Dark Angel was originally renewed for a third season, but a week after renewing it, Fox changed their minds and told the cast & crew they were cancelled instead. It was replaced by Firefly, which Fox also mishandled. Part of the reason was that 9/11 caused them to shy away from depicting an America reduced to a Third World country by terrorist actions, which reminds me of how sensitive Disney could be about certain things.
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posted @ Tue, Jun 13, 2023 11:26:12 pm EDT from 74.74.246.146

MATTHEW - I found it at the library on DVD, but haven't yet checked it out, though I keep meaning to do so soon.
Todd Jensen
posted @ Tue, Jun 13, 2023 7:42:46 pm EDT from 174.72.60.154

Oh, Todd. Have you had the chance to check out Young Frankenstein yet?
Matthew
Ain't nothing crazy 'bout me but my brain!
posted @ Tue, Jun 13, 2023 7:25:43 pm EDT from 98.248.2.24

Craig> What you said reminds me of how Jim Henson died senselessly in his fifties.
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posted @ Tue, Jun 13, 2023 5:04:02 pm EDT from 74.74.246.146

Matt > I enjoyed the documentary. You really get a sense of the man's perfectionism and passion for storytelling. It's so frustrating to imagine what further heights he could have reached if he'd lived longer.

Todd > [SPOILER] Interestingly, as Matthew noted last week, the Kambadais variant cover for the issue does appear to depict Brooklyn in Japan, even though the issue itself doesn't. [/SPOILER]
Craig
posted @ Tue, Jun 13, 2023 11:55:42 am EDT from 63.143.192.29

Another thought about [SPOILER] the "Timedancer" pages in #6.

One major location in Brooklyn's Timedancing that didn't appear was Japan, where he met Katana. That just struck me today. I wonder whether the reason for its absence was that it might not have a definite date yet; we know only that Brooklyn and Katana met in feudal Japan, which covers a few centuries rather than a specific year, unlike the adventures depicted on those pages. [/SPOILER]
Todd Jensen
posted @ Mon, Jun 12, 2023 7:49:51 pm EDT from 174.72.60.154

Third!

Bummed that both Chapter 7 and Dark Ages 1 got pushed back a week. Ah well, we've waited this long...

Watched the Howard Ashman documentary on Disney+ today. I know he came up a couple weeks ago. A segment of that song he wrote that was mentioned here was played.
Matt
"I have one absolute rule: No gargoyle left behind. Period." - Brooklyn, "Render Unto Caesar"
posted @ Mon, Jun 12, 2023 5:52:12 pm EDT from 47.233.90.133

Second.

If you'll excuse the shameless plug but I've neglected the fact that I've recently written two new chapters to both my series DC Legacies and to my Spider-Man series, Web of Fate.

You can find both here:

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/14206708/3/Spider-Man-Web-of-Fate

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/14095367/4/DC-Legacies
Matthew
Ain't nothing crazy 'bout me but my brain!
posted @ Mon, Jun 12, 2023 2:17:25 pm EDT from 98.248.2.24

First.
Todd Jensen
posted @ Mon, Jun 12, 2023 8:29:48 am EDT from 174.72.60.154